Topic: Tyrone Mears signs official

[Big Al]

Begs the question though, why does anyone need a scapegoat? We are unbeaten in 7 games.
I'm not a fan of Mears by any means, and think we need a better back up when Phillips is out, but a scapegoat is someone who gets blamed when things go wrong. Since he came in we haven't lost and I can't remember him directly costing us a goal so, while he isn't the greatest by any means, there's nothing to blame him for.
I agree it was a decent cross by the way.

Agree completely, once we lose a 2 in a row the vitriol on here may be horrendous.

[seteefeet]

Agree completely, once we lose a 2 in a row the vitriol on here may be horrendous.

I think that will also be Darren's biggest test mate. The sign of a good manager is how they deal with a couple of bad results and stop it turning into a bad run. Steve Clark was great for a good while but once the results took a turn, he had no answer. Pulis on the other hand was a master of halting a slide (apart from the last 10 games of a season, when he was already safe, whereby he actually appeared to encourage it), but even he came unstuck in the end and, once he couldn't stop the slide, he had to go, thank god.
Personally, i think DM has enough in his locker to deal with adversity and get us through any inevitable sticky patch,but only time will tell.
You are right though, if Mears is in the side at the time, he will likely take a lot of the flack.

[OllieTheBaggie]

If a plumber doesn't plumb, he's not really a plumber.
If a builder doesn't build, he's not really a builder.
If a supporter doesn't support...

[Nathan]

If a plumber doesn't plumb, he's not really a plumber.
If a builder doesn't build, he's not really a builder.
If a supporter doesn't support...

A plumber isn't spending his hard earned money to plumb and a builder isn't spending his hard earned money to build. They are getting paid as opposed to supporters who are doing the paying, often spending money they can ill afford. Fans who pay their money to travel the length and breadth of the country following the Albion have an absolute right to express an opinion.

[frazzle]

This is an appalling thread. Pathetic.

[boinging_along]

If you support Albion then you want what's best for the club.  By booing players does that really help them? Is Tyrone suddenly going to gain a few yards of pace? Or is it more likely to knock his confidence and make him more nervous.

Booing players simply doesn't help.

I also don't understand how someone could boo Mears but then say they're happy with Moore. He's the one picking him, if you have anger at the team selection it should be with the person doing the selecting. Not the guy trying to do his job.

[zippyandbungle]

If you support Albion then you want what's best for the club.  By booing players does that really help them? Is Tyrone suddenly going to gain a few yards of pace? Or is it more likely to knock his confidence and make him more nervous.

Booing players simply doesn't help.

I also don't understand how someone could boo Mears but then say they're happy with Moore. He's the one picking him, if you have anger at the team selection it should be with the person doing the selecting. Not the guy trying to do his job.

I'm with you
We shouldn't boo him, he didn't pick himself, however the opinions that he isn't good enough are fair
Some of the positioning last week from him was absolutely disgusting ..

[OllieTheBaggie]

A plumber isn't spending his hard earned money to plumb and a builder isn't spending his hard earned money to build. They are getting paid as opposed to supporters who are doing the paying, often spending money they can ill afford. Fans who pay their money to travel the length and breadth of the country following the Albion have an absolute right to express an opinion.

Yes, customers do have the right to express an opinion, as long as in this instance they know that doing so is likely to be completely counterproductive and unhelpful if they want the team to win. But why would a customer care, they've paid their money and therefore they're entitled to a good performance and win (apparently). Supporters, on the other hand, will appreciate that there are shades of grey, it's not just 'Yay we're winning' and 'Boo, they're losing'. They appreciate they have the right to boo and moan, but realise doing so won't make the team more likely to win, and instead spurring the team on is more likely to result in a win.

Say you're at work and you've delivered consistently good performances to a customer for a long period, but one day there's a minor mistake which is still fixable. Suddenly, instead of being the jolly, cheery bloke he usually is, he starts sarcastically applauding your co-worker as he leaves the office he's 'useless ay he', and moaning/complaining to the owner because the companies performance hasn't been good enough.

Would that spur you on to deliver a really good outcome with no hard feelings just because he's a paying customer? Or would you bite your lip, think he's a bit of a ****, but just do the job just because that's what you're paid to do and you have no choice?

Would you prefer that he/she understood that there was an error on this occasion, but appreciates that you're going to try your best to fix it? Or would you prefer he bitches, moans and makes fun of your colleagues in order to get the response he wants.

Which approach would make you want to deliver a positive result for him, and do your best for him next time he comes in?

[Wigmore]

stumbled a few steps back to watch to cross.

As my original offering was regarded as too confrontational I will rephrase my truncated reply.
If this post is meant to support your original contention (although the wording is unclear), imo you are sadly mistaken.
Happily, anybody can check out the actual footage and form their own opinion.

[NathWBA]

As my original offering was regarded as too confrontational I will rephrase my truncated reply.
If this post is meant to support your original contention (although the wording is unclear), imo you are sadly mistaken.
Happily, anybody can check out the actual footage and form their own opinion.

Correct, which it appears we both have, but it also appears some have trouble accepting that everyone will have their own views and opinions.

I won’t boo the man, and while he’s in the team he’ll get my support but I won’t be praising him for something that in my view he doesn’t warrant praising for. It also doesn’t escape the fact that he isn’t good enough to play wing back as he doesn’t possess the legs he once had to get back quick enough. Just because we haven’t been punished yet doesn’t mean his performances haven’t been below par.

[SmethDan]

Speed read the last few posts so apologies if I've got the wrong impression.

Could someone tell me when Tyrone Mears was booed please?

Only asking as I appear to have missed this heinous event.

If he hasn't been booed, then please refrain from suggesting that he has.

[NathWBA]

Speed read the last few posts so apologies if I've got the wrong impression.

Could someone tell me when Tyrone Mears was booed please?

Only asking as I appear to have missed this heinous event.

If he hasn't been booed, then please refrain from suggesting that he has.

I think the sarcastic cheering has been classed as booed, both don’t do anything to boost a players confidence and I’d sooner ignore a player than doing either but if a paying customer feels the need to do it to voice their opinion then who is anyone to tell them not to.

[OllieTheBaggie]

I think the sarcastic cheering has been classed as booed, both don’t do anything to boost a players confidence and I’d sooner ignore a player than doing either but if a paying customer feels the need to do it to voice their opinion then who is anyone to tell them not to.

I just think it's a bit sad that vocal minority ends up reflecting poorly on the majority.

Here's another example of how it could harm the club. People want players like Gayle and Barnes to stay and the club to buy them. When players (who will be in demand and have a host of clubs to choose from) hear a chorus of boos after slightly poor 45 minutes, after they've been working their b*lls off to maintain a winning streak for a fair few games beforehand, it doesn't exactly endear the fanbase to them as a great group who'll back him when he's having a tough time. As I said before, any player in the team knows they're a bad game or two away from being treated like that. At the end of the season it might be a linear choice between two premier league clubs, and knowing that our fanbase will be on their back after a bad game or two might affect their decision.  Having good/bad fans can be a factor in why a player/manager chooses a club, not as big a factor as other things perhaps, but a factor nonetheless. This is an extreme example, but it's not unheard of to hear players saying 'I chose to come here because they have great fans'.

Booing the team/sarcastically cheering players departures/moaning every time someone puts a pass wrong literally doesn't help anyone. It doesn't help on the day, it doesn't help the clubs image, it doesn't help West Bromwich Albion in any way, shape or form. It's self-defeating.

The reason it bothers me so much is because I just think it's sad that the 5% of vocal fans make the other 95% of our fans look bad, just because 'I've paid my money so i've got the right to boo'. If you think of yourself as a customer i can see why you'd think it's a good idea, if you think of yourself as a fan, i really can't wrap my head round it.

[Nathan]

Speed read the last few posts so apologies if I've got the wrong impression.

Could someone tell me when Tyrone Mears was booed please?

Only asking as I appear to have missed this heinous event.

If he hasn't been booed, then please refrain from suggesting that he has.

Thank God it's not just me who didn't hear any booing directed towards Mears Dan, I was beginning to think I was losing the plot and/or my memory! Like I said in my initial post on this thread regarding this issue, I heard nothing of the sort.

If some people think the cheering for the substitution equated to booing, I really am beginning to think some folks are desperately trying to look for and find offence wherever and whenever possible when it just doesn't exist. Like I've said before, in my opinion, the cheer was for Moore (in the eyes of the fans) finally calling a substitution correctly and if there was any sarcasm meant by the cheer it was for that! 

[NathWBA]

I just think it's a bit sad that vocal minority ends up reflecting poorly on the majority.

Here's another example of how it could harm the club. People want players like Gayle and Barnes to stay and the club to buy them. When players (who will be in demand and have a host of clubs to choose from) hear a chorus of boos after slightly poor 45 minutes, after they've been working their b*lls off to maintain a winning streak for a fair few games beforehand, it doesn't exactly endear the fanbase to them as a great group who'll back him when he's having a tough time. As I said before, any player in the team knows they're a bad game or two away from being treated like that. At the end of the season it might be a linear choice between two premier league clubs, and knowing that our fanbase will be on their back after a bad game or two might affect their decision.  Having good/bad fans can be a factor in why a player/manager chooses a club, not as big a factor as other things perhaps, but a factor nonetheless. This is an extreme example, but it's not unheard of to hear players saying 'I chose to come here because they have great fans'.

Booing the team/sarcastically cheering players departures/moaning every time someone puts a pass wrong literally doesn't help anyone. It doesn't help on the day, it doesn't help the clubs image, it doesn't help West Bromwich Albion in any way, shape or form. It's self-defeating.

The reason it bothers me so much is because I just think it's sad that the 5% of vocal fans make the other 95% of our fans look bad, just because 'I've paid my money so i've got the right to boo'. If you think of yourself as a customer i can see why you'd think it's a good idea, if you think of yourself as a fan, i really can't wrap my head round it.

there’s is not a club in the world that doesn’t have fans who sarcastically cheer or boo at some point, these guys are not only paid to play football they are paid to deal with the criticism too, it’s part of the job role these days, if they aren’t able to deal with that aspect then they are most definitely in the wrong profession. I don’t agree with booing your own player but many vent their frustrations that way, it’s part of the game unfortunately

[WBArgo]

Speed read the last few posts so apologies if I've got the wrong impression.

Could someone tell me when Tyrone Mears was booed please?

Only asking as I appear to have missed this heinous event.

If he hasn't been booed, then please refrain from suggesting that he has.

I was just about to ask the question, he was never boo'd and I don't think the cheers were sarcastic either, he'd literally just got an assist 5 minutes earlier.

I think this thread is a bit bizarre. Everyone knows he's quite poor, but no one is booing him, neither is anyone calling him over-rated or decent. He is what he is, a stop-gap until January when Sako is fit, until then he is employed to do a job.

[Atomic]

Just to set the record straight(ish) Mears wasn't booed as such but he received a good bit of stick from behind me in the East Stand mostly for his inability to get forward at the right times. Upon his substitution there were many cheers and it wasn't for whoever was coming on it was for Mears being substituted.

Discuss as you will.

[Chipperfan]

Just to set the record straight(ish) Mears wasn't booed as such but he received a good bit of stick from behind me in the East Stand mostly for his inability to get forward at the right times. Upon his substitution there were many cheers and it wasn't for whoever was coming on it was for Mears being substituted.

Discuss as you will.

From my vantage point in the East Stand this was exactly my perspective. There are a number of Albion supporters, a small but significant minority, who are happy to jeer and cheer sarcastically at their latest whipping boy.

It sickens me.

[Mo]

Just to set the record straight(ish) Mears wasn't booed as such but he received a good bit of stick from behind me in the East Stand mostly for his inability to get forward at the right times. Upon his substitution there were many cheers and it wasn't for whoever was coming on it was for Mears being substituted.

Discuss as you will.

I agree I sit in the east stand and there was one point where he should have made himself available for a pass but he simply hadn’t got the physical capability to do it . The crowd got very agitated and let Mears know what they thought. As I said to my friends sat by me it’s not his fault the coaching staff and board of directors determine he is the best replacement they could have got for the wing back role.

[NathWBA]

I agree I sit in the east stand and there was one point where he should have made himself available for a pass but he simply hadn’t got the physical capability to do it . The crowd got very agitated and let Mears know what they thought. As I said to my friends sat by me it’s not his fault the coaching staff and board of directors determine he is the best replacement they could have got for the wing back role.

Playing devils advocate. Surely he should know his own physical ability, if he was more than happy to sign the contract knowing he wasn’t capable enough himself to perform in a competitive environment then he should be big enough to deal with the critics. He wouldn’t be the first player to play on for payday knowing they were no longer capable.

[johnny Cash]

Playing devils advocate. Surely he should know his own physical ability, if he was more than happy to sign the contract knowing he wasn’t capable enough himself to perform in a competitive environment then he should be big enough to deal with the critics. He wouldn’t be the first player to play on for payday knowing they were no longer capable.

This assumes he misrepresented himself in some way, talked himself in to a contract worth more than his value, or the club didn’t test him approproately. 

For all you know, he is on £1000 pw and was clear about exactly what he was capable off. We have no way of knowing the club weren’t happy with what he does offer even if it’s limited. His minutes and recent praise suggest the latter is more likely.

[NathWBA]

This assumes he misrepresented himself in some way, talked himself in to a contract worth more than his value, or the club didn’t test him approproately. 

For all you know, he is on £1000 pw and was clear about exactly what he was capable off. We have no way of knowing the club weren’t happy with what he does offer even if it’s limited. His minutes and recent praise suggest the latter is more likely.

and the original post assumes he’s not to blame at all, players know their own bodies better than anyone else