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Offline swad35

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Medicated kids
« on: August 23, 2018, 11:39:45 PM »
I wanted to share something with you about my 8 year old. He was having behavioural issues at school and eventually I attended a doctor at the request of the school. The doctor didn’t examine my son but went on a report written by a school psychologist (new to the job) who observed him for about 20 mins in class. The doctor diagnosed him with ADHD and then went on a sales pitch about dexyamphetamines and other stimulants. I was mortified and gave the doctor a mouthful and walked out, especially when he called my son into the room and told him that he will be giving him pills to fix his brain. Didn’t take into account his mother has just left us and the turmoil he is going through or the fact he is a middle child.

I looked at alternatives and ultimately I changed his diet and the way I deal with him. I reduced/removed sugar from his diet and also as much gluten as possible. He is now a different kid, doing well in school and don’t get me wrong still a pain sometimes. A doctor friend told me he is regularly pushed to “sell” medication and is offered incentives. I work with offenders who mostly are addicted, this how it starts. I’m not disputing it works for some extreme cases but please consider alternatives like diet. Working really well for me.
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Re: Medicated kids
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2018, 12:07:03 AM »
Touching story pal. Good on you pal for what you're doing for your son. God bless you mate !

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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2018, 01:32:13 AM »
Touching story pal. Good on you pal for what you're doing for your son. God bless you mate !

Thanks mate, I posted on my Facebook feed and got lots of questions from friends so thought I would put it here in case people have similar issues with their kids

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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2018, 10:35:58 AM »
when I lived in Hill Top, local TV did a piece on my GP who was statistically over prescribing Statins and was filmed at a very, very elite golf club , sponsored event from you guessed... Statin.co.ltd

They are all at it, I now live in a remote village and the GP surgery in nearest town cannot recruit doctors, its a desirable area to live in, why won't doctors come here?, simple, because they cannot have a pharmacy attached to the surgery. A local pharmacist struck a deal with the council many years ago and has it sewn up.

Seems a GP's wage is not sufficient to induce them to do the job we pay them to do.

To utilise the well being of kids to subsidise your income is insidious and needs stamping out, what GP's prescribe should be monitored and any statistical anomalies investigated, only when this environment exists will the un-scrupulous take their responsibilities seriously. Hope your lad continues to improve and the pressure on you both relaxes.
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2018, 10:58:56 AM »
That is a touching story and one that holds many lessons, fortunately for you and your son, you were sensible enough to recognise something you were being told was not right and took action that has ensured a better outcome for your family.

But just consider the numbers of families that take what Doctors say on face value and accept the diagnoses and remedies without question, understandable, but frightening when you read something like this. Hopefully, incidents such as this are the exception to and not the rule, otherwise lord help us all.

We all place the most precious thing we have as individual, our health, in the hands of someone we were brought up to trust, which is constantly reinforced to us through various channels, it pays to question. 

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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2018, 12:51:05 PM »
I know a couple of people who are teachers / HLTAs, and they are adamant that kids are put on medication that isn't needed. They say you can tell just by spending a few minutes actually dealing with them in class whether they have an actual problem, or if they just need more discipline.

Of course, not every parent is willing to put the hard work into their child as you did, and so the medication becomes an easy crutch to lean on. It's what these companies rely on, as with the fast food companies, etc.

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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2018, 01:36:35 PM »
My little brother was diagnosed as ADHD and with Autism at about 5 years old and prescribed ritalin. It was on the NHS though, so I wonder why some is paid and some sold and what the criteria is. Both my parents worked too, so it wasn't anything to do with benefits.

Anyway, to this day I am sure it was a false diagnosis. He was far worse than a typical naughty child, but I genuinely think he was just a little sh*t and nothing more.   He was on a variety of different dosages for years but hasn't taken a thing since he was a teenager where he was much calmer and chilled out. He is also a completely 'normal' functioning adult, you'd never say he was any different to any of his peers either.

They do seem to throw out Autism and AdHD a lot now though, parents often don't help as they are looking for excuses for their child at times it seems.

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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2018, 12:07:48 AM »
Thankyou for the kind comments. My personal challenge is being a single dad of 3 very small children. When speaking to the doctor this challenge was expressed in detail, as if it would make my life easier. Being a parent isn’t easy and taking the easy option for me would have been completely selfish. The amount of comments I’ve had similar to the stories above is frightening. I would really push the alternatives first, there are so many out there.

I should say I live in Australia but the problem seems common in most western countries.

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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2018, 09:11:58 AM »
Good parenting.

Sadly if you were less educated or ignorant you may have ended up medicating your kid which could have long-lasting effects. I think the west often copies the USA in terms of culture and they are obsessed with prescription drugs as it's big business. I won't assume the doctor was after a profit and perhaps it was naive of him but nonetheless he is paid enough to offer alternatives first.
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2018, 12:37:51 PM »
I know a couple of people who are teachers / HLTAs, and they are adamant that kids are put on medication that isn't needed. They say you can tell just by spending a few minutes actually dealing with them in class whether they have an actual problem, or if they just need more discipline.

Of course, not every parent is willing to put the hard work into their child as you did, and so the medication becomes an easy crutch to lean on. It's what these companies rely on, as with the fast food companies, etc.

I can verify what you have written here.

I worked as a TA/Cover Officer/unqualified teacher for 7 years at a secondary school. I left last summer. I went on loads of training to do with this and yes, pills are one of the biggest problems we face. So many parents said things like "we'll he's got [insert special need] so he's on [insert various pills]." And I'm sat there thinking "he's hyper because every time I see him he's stuffing his face with sweets" or "he's angry because you don't discipline him and he needs guidance". Sometimes it really is that simple.

Yes, there are kids who have deep psychological barriers and need help with pills, but I'd go as far as saying 75% of kids on meds don't need them.

Teachers also complain that disruptive kids are all ADHD. No. Teachers need to learn different ways to get through to kids and parents need to actually discipline their own kids. Some of the teachers I've worked with or covered are shockingly bad teachers. They have no people skills and then wonder why kids are argumentative with them. Over the years I've worked with thousands of kids, and there was only one lad who I couldn't get through to. But then I spoke to his mom and it all fell into place. The poor lad's been set up to fail.

It's amazing how simply treating a child as a human actually makes a difference. Lots of teachers (and adults) think shouting at a kid or yelling instructions without saying "please" or "thank you" is acceptable. If someone yells as you, or doesn't use manners, do you want to help them? Or do as they have requested? Most of us would tell them where to go. Kids are no different. I've been in situations where a pupil has been on the verge of being excluded and the kid has asked for me to go in as a mediator. These kids threatened the principal etc but speak to me calmly and respectfully. 99% of the time it's how you speak to them that makes all the difference.

If there were more people like the original poster then society would be a much calmer, peaceful place. But sadly, many parents in this situation choose the easy route = blame everyone else for their own errors and use pills on your kids.

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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2018, 09:06:23 AM »
In am Autism and Got ADHD myself I have to take Medication One full in the Morning plus a half one, One at Dinner, And Four in the evening for me to sleep. I used to kick off quite badly when I was in a mood got isolated several times at school got threatened with exclusion did at home smashed a thing that I really loved once because I didn't care But now I have seemed to Calm down. I don't have fizzy pop at home I have had some A few times. I have sweets and Sugary stuff though and when I doss I buy Fizzy drinks. When my dad takes me out I have Fizzy Pop As well. It doesn't affect me like it used to at school they used to say We will tell your dad that your hyper if you don't attempt to do work. Give an hour and I was calmer again. Good look to you though it isn't easy my dad cried during my diagnosis as he then knew he wasn't a nbad parent.
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2018, 09:44:09 AM »
Well done mate, you know your child better than anyone else so good on you for looking at changing the simpler things before medicating your child.

Our daughter is disabled, was born with an element of brain damage, we do have quite a few appointments and I know how it feels to be told stuff about your child from a 'specialist' who will have spent 5 minutes with them before making a conclusion.

I always say, you know your child the best and you know what your child does and doesn't need!
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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2018, 10:36:11 AM »
My daughter has always been a bit quiet and watchful - my ex is all over the place emotionally, and she thought my daughter was depressed when she was about 10 (!) because she was quiet - the doctor prescribed some sort of general anti-depressants after about a 2 minute appointment.  I went through the roof when I found out, I played a daily part in my daughters life, but for some reason I only found this out   afterwards.  I didn't rant at my daughter, but the ex and the doc got it in the neck.  I told my daughter calmly that I couldn't tell her what to do, but my advice would be to flush them, which she did.

I know pills help some people, but GPs give them out like sweeties these days, probably because they've been on a jolly funded by the drug companies.

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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2018, 11:03:31 AM »
I wanted to share something with you about my 8 year old. He was having behavioural issues at school and eventually I attended a doctor at the request of the school. The doctor didn’t examine my son but went on a report written by a school psychologist (new to the job) who observed him for about 20 mins in class. The doctor diagnosed him with ADHD and then went on a sales pitch about dexyamphetamines and other stimulants. I was mortified and gave the doctor a mouthful and walked out, especially when he called my son into the room and told him that he will be giving him pills to fix his brain. Didn’t take into account his mother has just left us and the turmoil he is going through or the fact he is a middle child.

I looked at alternatives and ultimately I changed his diet and the way I deal with him. I reduced/removed sugar from his diet and also as much gluten as possible. He is now a different kid, doing well in school and don’t get me wrong still a pain sometimes. A doctor friend told me he is regularly pushed to “sell” medication and is offered incentives. I work with offenders who mostly are addicted, this how it starts. I’m not disputing it works for some extreme cases but please consider alternatives like diet. Working really well for me.

Good for you mate glad to see some parents still have the sense they were born with, the story above about two teachers seems commonplace these days people going around looking for reasons why their world isn't perfect.