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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #800 on: June 16, 2019, 03:28:49 PM »
Thank you for reminding me that some of our fans are still sane, I completely agree with you.
Ah, so anyone who agrees with you is sane, and anyone who doesn't is completely bonkers? Mmmm.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #801 on: June 16, 2019, 03:29:22 PM »
Plenty I would imagine. We would now have a striker on very high wages who has never been very successful in the Premier League and is aged over 30 and counting.
You seem to think Gayle is some sort of miracle man who can't be replaced. He isn't and he can.

I remember back in 2007/08 when we won the championship title, we had a player called Kevin Phillips playing for us at the age of 34. He scored 24 goals for us that season after being out injured a fair few weeks.

The next season we didn't offer him a good enough contract so he went to Blues. I remember a lot of Albion fans moaning about that decision.

I really can't understand why you dislike the idea of us signing a Gayle !!! :o

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #802 on: June 16, 2019, 03:34:03 PM »
One other small thing, which has been stated before, he is currently 28 years old. He was born on 17 October 1990.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #803 on: June 16, 2019, 03:38:30 PM »
Just had a look on Wikipedia regarding his Appearances to goals ratio in the Championship and he's played 104 times and scored 60 goals. Yeah he is on £55k a week but in my opinion worth every penny.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #804 on: June 16, 2019, 03:41:17 PM »
I remember back in 2007/08 when we won the championship title, we had a player called Kevin Phillips playing for us at the age of 34. He scored 24 goals for us that season after being out injured a fair few weeks.

The next season we didn't offer him a good enough contract so he went to Blues. I remember a lot of Albion fans moaning about that decision.

I really can't understand why you dislike the idea of us signing a Gayle !!! :o
Read my posts again and you will see that I don't. I would love him to come back next year. It is very unlikely though. And the world (nor the Albion) won't end if he doesn't.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #805 on: June 16, 2019, 03:45:20 PM »
Just had a look on Wikipedia regarding his Appearances to goals ratio in the Championship and he's played 104 times and scored 60 goals. Yeah he is on £55k a week but in my opinion worth every penny.
Maybe so, but we are looking to build a new team and can't afford to pay one player that much in the Championship. That seems to be the club's position anyway, in which case this is a pointless discussion.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #806 on: June 16, 2019, 03:53:08 PM »
But we can afford pay a non entity like HRK a reputed £40k per week.  Its ok because he was a free transfer, never mind the fact he's not very good.

The release of Barry and Morrison will savd us money and we should be looking to cash in on Dawson.  Rondon will obviously go.

I think it's more a question of making him the highest paid player and upsetting the applecart on team spirit rather than whether we can physically afford it.

More kids should be integrated being 1 year old older e.g. Edwards.  These players are "free".

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #807 on: June 16, 2019, 03:56:35 PM »
Maybe so, but we are looking to build a new team and can't afford to pay one player that much in the Championship. That seems to be the club's position anyway, in which case this is a pointless discussion.

Sorry for having an opinion that you dont agree with. It's a forum mate.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #808 on: June 16, 2019, 04:45:15 PM »
One other small thing, which has been stated before, he is currently 28 years old. He was born on 17 October 1990.

Thought it was 1989?? That’s what his wiki says anyway
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #809 on: June 16, 2019, 05:04:56 PM »
Forget his age, wages, goals ratio, blah blah blah.
If we could do it at at he right cost and obviously if Slav wanted him I would love to see him back next season same as Holgate.
Worth noting that the stand out players in OUR team last season were not our players apart from Hegazi
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #810 on: June 16, 2019, 05:11:49 PM »
Forget his age, wages, goals ratio, blah blah blah.
If we could do it at at he right cost and obviously if Slav wanted him I would love to see him back next season same as Holgate.
Worth noting that the stand out players in OUR team last season were not our players apart from Hegazi


Phillips, Gibbs? Brunty of course.
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #811 on: June 16, 2019, 05:15:31 PM »

Phillips, Gibbs? Brunty of course.

Barnes, Gayle, Holgate. then our players
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #812 on: June 16, 2019, 05:21:23 PM »
Sorry for having an opinion that you dont agree with. It's a forum mate.
Eh? I had no problem with your post or your opinion. If you meant the bit where I said it could be a pointless discussion, I meant from all our points of view ie if the club had already decided that we couldn't afford him, any opinion became academic.

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« Reply #813 on: June 16, 2019, 05:30:46 PM »
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #814 on: June 16, 2019, 05:34:30 PM »

Phillips, Gibbs? Brunty of course.

Unfortunately none of them were stand out.

Only stand out players last season were Gayle and Barnes. The rest were much of a muchness and not much to shout about overall.
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #815 on: June 16, 2019, 05:41:17 PM »
Unfortunately none of them were stand out.

Only stand out players last season were Gayle and Barnes. The rest were much of a muchness and not much to shout about overall.
Hegazi as well I think.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #816 on: June 16, 2019, 05:48:55 PM »
Eh? I had no problem with your post or your opinion. If you meant the bit where I said it could be a pointless discussion, I meant from all our points of view ie if the club had already decided that we couldn't afford him, any opinion became academic.

No problems mate! We all get a bit passionate at times because we care for the club.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #817 on: June 16, 2019, 10:56:33 PM »
Anyone who doesn’t want to sign Gayle back should see their GP and shrink immediately. Best striker in this league bar none. The fantasy that we can buy an unknown from abroad and find a goal machine is just that. An Odemwingie or Pukki turn up once a decade. Any one with calibre at this level, like Maupay would be just as expensive or more expensive than Gayle. This whole debate is ridiculous, just goes to show how small time a section of our fan base is.
Anyone who doesn’t want to sign Gayle back should see their GP and shrink immediately. Best striker in this league bar none. The fantasy that we can buy an unknown from abroad and find a goal machine is just that. An Odemwingie or Pukki turn up once a decade. Any one with calibre at this level, like Maupay would be just as expensive or more expensive than Gayle. This whole debate is ridiculous, just goes to show how small time a section of our fan base is.

How decent of you to be the self proclaimed leader of sanity

There are for’s and against’s
He has pedigree and wore the stripes well
He is also getting on and is quite expensive

The debate is not ridiculous and if it were your money you may be a touch more careful with it?
Anyway, having debate does not a smalltime fan base make
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #818 on: June 16, 2019, 11:26:33 PM »
How decent of you to be the self proclaimed leader of sanity

There are for’s and against’s
He has pedigree and wore the stripes well
He is also getting on and is quite expensive

The debate is not ridiculous and if it were your money you may be a touch more careful with it?
Anyway, having debate does not a smalltime fan base make

The debate is riduculous. Gayle's goals are worth they weight in gold, literally. We should resign him if at all possible. No debating about it, he's the best centre forward we could realistically attract. He can also cut it in the Prem when the team is setup to suit his game.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #819 on: June 16, 2019, 11:56:21 PM »
So Bilic should tear up his tried and tested method to re-sign Gayle, wasting most of his budget at the same time, or crowbar him in to his method at wide left, where he's entirely ineffective as displayed last season when Barnes left?


Would be interested to hear the answer to these pertinent questions beyond, worth his weight in gold, guarantees you 20 goals ad nauseum.
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #820 on: June 17, 2019, 12:05:13 AM »
Spending a very large part of the likely player budget on a player that does not fit into Bilic's likely tactical template is not the smartest move. Add in the fact that at 28 he hasn't many peak years left and certainly will be past his prime at the end of a 3 year contract

We are struggling to sell a 29 year old Rondon for the release clause with one year left on his contract. Why is everyone so keen to saddle us with another aging striker with little or no sell on value?

It is no use pointing at the money the Robson-Kanu or Livermore earn yes fine but those contracts are the reason why we can't afford to buy Gayle. In any event with the flexdown those contracts are managable in the short term whereas Gayle has 2 more years on his Premier League contract at Newcastle at £50k a week and that is the killer.

Sorry guys you may live in a fantasy world where money is "not our concern" but if you want to understand what is likely to happen or what the possibilities are then some sort of nodding aquinatance with the economic realities might be helpful.
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #821 on: June 17, 2019, 12:08:16 AM »
Normally, Gayle's wages would be end of story for us, but this time we do have leverage because of  Rondon's situation, and Newcastle's wish to buy him.  This is the time for Jenkins and Dowling to show a bit of creativity, and make Gayle part of the negotiation.
Gayle is a player who gave every indication of enjoying his time with us.
People who say we can easily find a replacement, will I think will end up with egg on their face, as there will be stiff competition for any other proven goalscorers.
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #822 on: June 17, 2019, 12:30:21 AM »
Normally, Gayle's wages would be end of story for us, but this time we do have leverage because of  Rondon's situation, and Newcastle's wish to buy him.  This is the time for Jenkins and Dowling to show a bit of creativity, and make Gayle part of the negotiation.
Gayle is a player who gave every indication of enjoying his time with us.
People who say we can easily find a replacement, will I think will end up with egg on their face, as there will be stiff competition for any other proven goalscorers.

The Rondon situation gives us zero leverage with Newcastle. It would seem that the Newcastle hierarchy are trying to haggle the fee down on Rondon while demanding £20m for Gayle. It is only when the wheels drop off that particular bandwagon that any deals will get done. Factor in the takeover which may happen as early as July and all bets are off with regard to Rondon.
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #823 on: June 17, 2019, 12:42:14 AM »
The Rondon situation gives us zero leverage with Newcastle. It would seem that the Newcastle hierarchy are trying to haggle the fee down on Rondon while demanding £20m for Gayle. It is only when the wheels drop off that particular bandwagon that any deals will get done. Factor in the takeover which may happen as early as July and all bets are off with regard to Rondon.
Depends on how much they want Rondon. If they want to play hardball over Gayle, then we should not make life too easy for them. Ideally, we need a you scratch my back, and we'll scratch yours understanding.   
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #824 on: June 17, 2019, 12:50:43 AM »
Normally, Gayle's wages would be end of story for us, but this time we do have leverage because of  Rondon's situation, and Newcastle's wish to buy him.  This is the time for Jenkins and Dowling to show a bit of creativity, and make Gayle part of the negotiation.
Gayle is a player who gave every indication of enjoying his time with us.
People who say we can easily find a replacement, will I think will end up with egg on their face, as there will be stiff competition for any other proven goalscorers.


Where will Bilic play Dwight Gayle should we acquire him?
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