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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #400 on: February 15, 2019, 02:21:18 PM »
Football is behind the times, pretty much every other major sport has a video ref at the elite level.

Trouble is, football is a free flowing game, infringements are always open to individual interpretation and opinions. It's not like cricket where a video umpire can check LBW decisions, the ball is either going to hit the stumps or it's not, or in tennis with Hawk Eye where it quite clearly shows the ball is either in or out. There are no grey areas in those instances, it's simple and effective. In those instances in other sports the ball has already gone dead so there is no unnecessary hold up. VAR has proved that no matter how many times incidents are reviewed in ultra slow motion, people still don't agree, it's still down to how one person sees it and interprets it. That's just how it is with football, it's what makes the game so fascinating, entertaining and interesting. All this trial by television, VAR, retrospective bans, etc will drive traditional supporters away from the game in their droves. Let the referees and linesmen officiate and just accept that in football that is how it is. Moving with the times just for the sake of it and because everyone else is doing it doesn't always mean it's for the best. If a player dives then so be it, it's up to the referee to spot it and punish accordingly.

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« Reply #401 on: February 15, 2019, 02:23:43 PM »
Trouble is, football is a free flowing game, infringements are always open to individual interpretation and opinions. It's not like cricket where a video umpire can check LBW decisions, the ball is either going to hit the stumps or it's not, or in tennis with Hawk Eye where it quite clearly shows the ball is either in or out. There are no grey areas in those instances, it's simple and effective. In those instances in other sports the ball has already gone dead so there is no unnecessary hold up. VAR has proved that no matter how many times incidents are reviewed in ultra slow motion, people still don't agree, it's still down to how one person sees it and interprets it. That's just how it is with football, it's what makes the game so fascinating, entertaining and interesting. All this trial by television, VAR, retrospective bans, etc will drive traditional supporters away from the game in their droves. Let the referees and linesmen officiate and just accept that in football that is how it is. Moving with the times just for the sake of it and because everyone else is doing it doesn't always mean it's for the best. If a player dives then so be it, it's up to the referee to spot it and punish accordingly.


Amen. Commonsense at last. Please forward to all media outlets, FIFA and the FA.

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« Reply #402 on: February 15, 2019, 02:48:10 PM »
As soon as the ref blows his whistle the game is dead and they should be able to review a decision or refer one if required.

I like how Rugby do it, let the game flow then the ref queries items in the run up to the try/penaulty try situation. Anything else is let go, unless a card is required which the video ref can check while the game flows.
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« Reply #403 on: February 15, 2019, 03:05:23 PM »
Trouble is, football is a free flowing game, infringements are always open to individual interpretation and opinions. It's not like cricket where a video umpire can check LBW decisions, the ball is either going to hit the stumps or it's not, or in tennis with Hawk Eye where it quite clearly shows the ball is either in or out. There are no grey areas in those instances, it's simple and effective. In those instances in other sports the ball has already gone dead so there is no unnecessary hold up. VAR has proved that no matter how many times incidents are reviewed in ultra slow motion, people still don't agree, it's still down to how one person sees it and interprets it. That's just how it is with football, it's what makes the game so fascinating, entertaining and interesting. All this trial by television, VAR, retrospective bans, etc will drive traditional supporters away
from the game in their droves. Let the referees and linesmen officiate and just accept that in football that is how it is. Moving with the times just for the sake of it and because everyone else is doing it doesn't always mean it's for the best. If a player dives then so be it, it's up to the referee to spot it and punish accordingly.
Sorry about the previous blanks I am trying to balance the wife’s iPad on my knee in a moving vehicle, and no I am not driving. Anyway just wanted to say what a sane and accurate post this is and has had the effect of calming my anger somewhat. However I would further comment that  this latest action by the (sweet) FA simply mirrors the lack of consistency among officials generally, and it is this punishing an offence by one team and allowing the same offence to go unpunished when committed by their opponents. As many on here have already suggested if that dive had been done by Salah, Vardy, any Tottenham player etc. With the same resulting penalty scored to gain a point, would there have been such media stirring aka mr goodman, and would the FA have taken action? Based on previous experience I sincerely believe it would not.

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« Reply #404 on: February 15, 2019, 03:24:57 PM »
As i see the law / rule (and i may or read it wrong) it just makes no sense.

For example, say your winning 1-0, the game is end to end, chances for both sides. A player then dives winning a penalty for the team that is winning 1-0, they score it and make it 2-0 which pretty much puts the game out of reach, they then go on to win 5-0 pretty comfortable, am i right in thinking the dive to win the penalty for the 2nd goal would not be punished because the scoreline wasnt directly affected by the dive / penalty? Ie - it needs to be a goal that influences the result, ie - winning goal or equaliser?

Same applies if losing 1-0, player dives for team that is losing, wins penalty, its scored, makes it 1-1, then the team who scored it go on to win 5-1, again that wouldnt be punished would it? Despite the dive / penalty having a massive impact on the game and being a turning point.

Apologies if i have got the law wrong and sound thick! If that isnt the law and it isnt match deciding then the likes of Salah, Kane, etc are going to be punished weekly!
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« Reply #405 on: February 15, 2019, 05:11:10 PM »
Why wasn't Ayala banned for Boro when he scored a handball goal? That was a successful deception of an official that cost us points, and it was also on TV. Whys it always us that gets picked on? You can bet your cotton socks that if it was a fashionable club then the old "Its part of the game" and "There was definite contact" would replace the abuse being pointed at us/Dwight by the media.

If it was THAT blatantly a dive, why couldn't this high level professional referee spot it for himself? He had an awful game and that decision was one of the few that went our way, funny how he doesn't get any stick isn't it  ::)
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« Reply #406 on: February 15, 2019, 05:31:11 PM »
As i see the law / rule (and i may or read it wrong) it just makes no sense.

For example, say your winning 1-0, the game is end to end, chances for both sides. A player then dives winning a penalty for the team that is winning 1-0, they score it and make it 2-0 which pretty much puts the game out of reach, they then go on to win 5-0 pretty comfortable, am i right in thinking the dive to win the penalty for the 2nd goal would not be punished because the scoreline wasnt directly affected by the dive / penalty? Ie - it needs to be a goal that influences the result, ie - winning goal or equaliser?

Same applies if losing 1-0, player dives for team that is losing, wins penalty, its scored, makes it 1-1, then the team who scored it go on to win 5-1, again that wouldnt be punished would it? Despite the dive / penalty having a massive impact on the game and being a turning point.

Apologies if i have got the law wrong and sound thick! If that isnt the law and it isnt match deciding then the likes of Salah, Kane, etc are going to be punished weekly!


The rule is:

If as a result of the deception, the ref awards a penalty or a player gets sent off, the player carrying out the deception is likely to be charged & a possible 2 game ban.

What I'm not sure about is what triggers the restrospective enquiry. It could be a complaint from the opposition club. In DG's case didn't O'Neil complain.
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #407 on: February 22, 2019, 08:17:53 PM »
Let’s see if the West Ham player receives a two game ban
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« Reply #408 on: February 23, 2019, 12:18:24 AM »
Let’s see if the West Ham player receives a two game ban
Lee Mason the referee again! I think he needs a two game ban!
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #409 on: February 23, 2019, 12:38:38 AM »
Let’s see if the West Ham player receives a two game ban
Im not sure he can under the rules as they stand. The rules about deception are to be used where a penalty is awarded after a dive hadn’t been spotted or if by feigning injury you get another player sent off. Nothing in there yet about duping the officials by scoring with a blatant handball.

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« Reply #410 on: February 23, 2019, 12:44:32 AM »
Kemar Roofe definitely should have served a ban if deception by handball was in the rule. Alas it doesn't seem too count.

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« Reply #411 on: February 23, 2019, 03:33:49 AM »
Kemar Roofe definitely should have served a ban if deception by handball was in the rule. Alas it doesn't seem too count.
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #412 on: March 01, 2019, 09:31:16 PM »
Gayle playing out wide isn’t the modern way of thinking - as some members may think

It’s ******* rubbish

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #413 on: March 01, 2019, 09:35:50 PM »
I just think recently his general play is awful.  I think his confidence is shot. You can hardly make a case for saying he deserves to start.  When did he last score from open play?  He doesn't link with the midfield either.

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« Reply #414 on: March 01, 2019, 09:41:38 PM »
Gayle playing out wide isn’t the modern way of thinking - as some members may think

It’s ******* rubbish

A complete waste of time


Amen.


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« Reply #415 on: March 01, 2019, 09:43:43 PM »
"Oh we have a proven goal scorer, stick him on the wing"

It's like putting a clumsy CB and LB or ignoring all the answers that are on the bench.

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« Reply #416 on: March 01, 2019, 09:49:58 PM »
I just think recently his general play is awful.  I think his confidence is shot. You can hardly make a case for saying he deserves to start.  When did he last score from open play?  He doesn't link with the midfield either.


His general play isn't great that's why he doesn't have any top level success.
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« Reply #417 on: March 01, 2019, 09:51:09 PM »
Since being shifted out to the wing he's become insignificant and irrelevant.

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« Reply #418 on: March 01, 2019, 09:52:41 PM »
He's a poacher that thrives on the shoulder of the last man. We might as well send him back to Newcastle if we're just going to stick him on the wing.

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« Reply #419 on: March 01, 2019, 09:53:35 PM »
Totally wasted out wide left.has mooro got blinkers on?

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« Reply #420 on: March 01, 2019, 09:56:31 PM »
We’ve utterly wasted him this season and he’s still got 16 goals.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #421 on: March 01, 2019, 10:00:42 PM »

His general play isn't great that's why he doesn't have any top level success.

But the modern way of thinking is to play your best centre forward on the wing - despite his lack of general ability

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« Reply #422 on: March 01, 2019, 10:08:44 PM »
I haven’t been this annoyed since England decided Shearer should be pushed out wide yonks ago. I’m seriously p*ssed off now.
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« Reply #423 on: March 01, 2019, 10:16:37 PM »
Gayle was fine out on the left when we had Barnes as the front 3 used to swap and change, it worked, they all scored goals.

However without Barnes we look lost and Gayle now seems permanently stuck on the wing and he is wasted, they have to find a way of pairing him with Jrod down the middle, like the start of the season because as a combination of (a) teams have now sussed us and (b) losing Barnes and movement / interchange means we now carrying him.

You can tell his confidence is shot, he looks frustrated, most of the team look that way which suggests whatever we are trying to do, isnt working.

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« Reply #424 on: March 02, 2019, 02:28:55 PM »
I haven’t been this annoyed since England decided Shearer should be pushed out wide yonks ago. I’m seriously p*ssed off now.

I’m with you. He had to play in the middle and we have to build the team around him. Utter madness to play him on the left. Gross incompetence.