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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #900 on: June 19, 2019, 09:50:31 AM »
Don Goodman, Bob Taylor, Andy Hunt, Paul Peschisolido, Lee Hughes, Jason Roberts, Robert Earnshaw, Kanu, Dio Kamara, Kevin Phillips, Ismael Miller, Peter Odemwingie, Romelu Lukaku, Saido Berahino, Salomon Rondon, Jay Rodriguez and Dwight Gayle.

Goodman, Peschi, Roberts, Earnshaw, Kanu, Kamara, Miller, Berahino, J-Rod.... They are all a long way from what I would call excellent.  At best you could point to a couple of purple patches and that's about it. 

I'm probably being a bit harsh on Kanu as he was a very talented forward, but his goal scoring record wasn't great. 

Like it or not, finding top strikers, even for this level is not easy, even if you're willing to pay the money.  When you're doing it on the cheap it's even tougher.  The odds are stacked against you.  We are more likely to spend money on an HRK quality player than we are on unearthing the next young Lukaku.

So the question is, do we risk spending £Xm on a player who *might* do it at this level.  Or do we spend £Ym on a player who can do it at this level?

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« Reply #901 on: June 19, 2019, 09:56:23 AM »
Goodman, Peschi, Roberts, Earnshaw, Kanu, Kamara, Miller, Berahino, J-Rod.... They are all a long way from what I would call excellent.  At best you could point to a couple of purple patches and that's about it. 

I'm probably being a bit harsh on Kanu as he was a very talented forward, but his goal scoring record wasn't great. 

Like it or not, finding top strikers, even for this level is not easy, even if you're willing to pay the money.  When you're doing it on the cheap it's even tougher.  The odds are stacked against you.  We are more likely to spend money on an HRK quality player than we are on unearthing the next young Lukaku.

So the question is, do we risk spending £Xm on a player who *might* do it at this level.  Or do we spend £Ym on a player who can do it at this level?

Kanu was a complete class act. Some of his passes used to look misplaced at times because the rest of the team was no where on the same wave length as him.

he was more like a number 10 and not a goal scorer, he only scored double figures for arsenal once.

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« Reply #902 on: June 19, 2019, 10:00:22 AM »
Kanu was a complete class act. Some of his passes used to look misplaced at times because the rest of the team was no where on the same wave length as him.

he was more like a number 10 and not a goal scorer, he only scored double figures for arsenal once.

100% agree.  I used to say the same thing to my mate with his passing, it would look like a terrible ball but it was a great pass that wasn't read by his teammates. 

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #903 on: June 19, 2019, 12:04:08 PM »
Goodman, Peschi, Roberts, Earnshaw, Kanu, Kamara, Miller, Berahino, J-Rod.... They are all a long way from what I would call excellent.  At best you could point to a couple of purple patches and that's about it.

I'm probably being a bit harsh on Kanu as he was a very talented forward, but his goal scoring record wasn't great. 

Like it or not, finding top strikers, even for this level is not easy, even if you're willing to pay the money.  When you're doing it on the cheap it's even tougher.  The odds are stacked against you.  We are more likely to spend money on an HRK quality player than we are on unearthing the next young Lukaku.

So the question is, do we risk spending £Xm on a player who *might* do it at this level.  Or do we spend £Ym on a player who can do it at this level?

I think the point though was that baggie82 said there had only been 7 'decent' forwards  since 1993, which is being harsh on quite a few 'decent' forwards we have had over that period.

Roberts and Kamara were better all round attackers than Gayle IMO. Roberts in particular was unlucky with injury in the 2002 promotion season otherwise I fancy he would have got 20+ goals. Kamara reached 20 goals in his one season in the Championship.

JROD is underrated and regardless reached the 20+ goal mark last season. His record for his last 3 full seasons in the Championship is 1 per every 2.4 games. Earnshaw's career record in the Championship is 1 for every 2.5 games, Roberts is around 1 in 2.3, Gayle's is around 1 in 1.8.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #904 on: June 19, 2019, 01:24:13 PM »
The phrases used were "Quality strikers" and "excellent". 

To be fair I would class most of those as decent.  Just not at that level above. 

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« Reply #905 on: June 19, 2019, 02:31:01 PM »
The phrases used were "Quality strikers" and "excellent". 

To be fair I would class most of those as decent.  Just not at that level above.

Baggie82's comment: 'I’ve been watching us since 1993, in the last 26 years the only strikers worth mentioning have been Super Bob, Andy Hunt, Hughes, Lukuku, Odemwingie, SKP and Gayle. That’s 7 in 26 years!'

Earnshaw's, Roberts', Kamara's and JROD's goal-scoring records at Championship level are all excellent and it seems a bit harsh to suggest they're not worth mentioning.

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« Reply #906 on: June 19, 2019, 03:07:57 PM »
You missed this bit

"Quality strikers are rare commodities, when you get one it pays good heed to hold onto them."

I don't think we'd be having much of a discussion if the question was "is it worth paying decent money for a player of the quality of HRK".

"Earnshaw's, Roberts', Kamara's and JROD's goal-scoring records at Championship level are all excellent and it seems a bit harsh to suggest they're not worth mentioning."

None of that 4 are in the same group that we're talking about though.  We also had them in the Prem and their goal scoring records weren't great at all.
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #907 on: June 19, 2019, 03:28:20 PM »
You come out with some poor shouts but this right up there.

Coming from you I take criticism as a badge of honour.

The wider point is a player of calibre of Gayle at this level is rare and worth the money. The weekend press reports that Bilic wants to sign him is encouraging and Newcastle would clearly prefer some sort of swap then having to fund Rondon's full buy out clause, so its not hopeless yet.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #908 on: June 20, 2019, 09:48:55 PM »
I would love Gayle back next year and think if our manager wants him it will happen.
If he doesn't then so be it. what we do need is a few options because at the moment we have very little.
its a lot easier when your in the prem to convince players to come on good wages and put in there contracts that they have a 50% paycut because most of them jump ship anyway, but convincing them to come on that reduced wage to start with is difficult.
We know our owner isn't going to help with finances in the foreseeable future, so we have to be self financing
I think some money must have been promised to Bilic but most will come from selling players and good recruiting. 

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #909 on: June 20, 2019, 09:52:46 PM »
Gayle and Shelvey for Rondon would be ok by me
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #910 on: June 21, 2019, 08:26:53 AM »
Acquiring the services of Gayle again is a no brainer for me. Bilic has a very poor squad to deal with at the moment, the worst I've known for a long time. Doubt very much we'd have got remotely close to the play-offs without Gayle and Barnes.

I hope the charisma and contacts of Bilic can attract more loan players of the same calibre, otherwise its going to be tough.

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« Reply #911 on: June 21, 2019, 08:36:36 AM »
Gayle and Shelvey for Rondon would be ok by me

No thanks. I wouldn't want a proven racist at the club.

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« Reply #912 on: June 21, 2019, 08:46:12 AM »
Acquiring the services of Gayle again is a no brainer for me. Bilic has a very poor squad to deal with at the moment, the worst I've known for a long time. Doubt very much we'd have got remotely close to the play-offs without Gayle and Barnes.

I hope the charisma and contacts of Bilic can attract more loan players of the same calibre, otherwise its going to be tough.



amazing to consider only two years ago some were saying the best squad. i agree this squad is nothing compared to our last promotion season
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #913 on: June 21, 2019, 09:00:31 AM »


amazing to consider only two years ago some were saying the best squad. i agree this squad is nothing compared to our last promotion season
Wasn't two years ago, Moore got beaten to death with the "he has the best squad in the league" stick last season, at least in certain corners anyway.
Personally, I agree with you and think we have some greatly overrated players and hope that Bilic sees the same.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #914 on: June 21, 2019, 09:07:04 AM »
Gayle and Shelvey for Rondon would be ok by me


55K per week and 70K per week.

Not a chance.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #915 on: June 21, 2019, 09:27:14 AM »
One of my pet hates in football is "we wouldn't have got anywhere without ____"

Villa - Abraham, McGinn, Mings
Derby - Lawrence, Wilson, Mount
Liverpool - Salah, Mane, Firminho,
Man C - Aguero, Sterling

Most teams that do well have 2 or 3 stand out performers. The loan market is there and very much used in the Championship while successful Premier League teams have 2 or 3 also.

We wouldn't have been near the play offs without Barnes and Gayle but we did have them and finished 4th.

It's up to scouts and management now to replace those performance levels and goals with new individuals that we can afford. It won't be easy, it also won't be impossible.

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« Reply #916 on: June 21, 2019, 09:31:21 AM »
One of my pet hates in football is "we wouldn't have got anywhere without ____"

Villa - Abraham, McGinn, Mings
Derby - Lawrence, Wilson, Mount
Liverpool - Salah, Mane, Firminho,
Man C - Aguero, Sterling

Most teams that do well have 2 or 3 stand out performers. The loan market is there and very much used in the Championship while successful Premier League teams have 2 or 3 also.

We wouldn't have been near the play offs without Barnes and Gayle but we did have them and finished 4th.

It's up to scouts and management now to replace those performance levels and goals with new individuals that we can afford. It won't be easy, it also won't be impossible.

Spot on mate! Mine too.

It's like saying Barcelona wouldn't have been any good without Neymar Suarez and Messi.

As you say, every time has the stand out couple of players.

We had Barnes and Gayle who won us a lot of points last year. Now its time to find another 2/3 players that are capable of doing the same thing this year.
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #917 on: June 21, 2019, 12:04:09 PM »
No thanks. I wouldn't want a proven racist at the club.

That had passed me by,
Abusing wolves players is acceptable behaviour though isn't it  :o
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« Reply #918 on: June 22, 2019, 09:19:04 AM »
Fulham after Gayle according to BBC sport gossip
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #919 on: June 22, 2019, 09:32:43 AM »
Really torn on this. Would love us to do a straight swap with Rondon rather than see him join the likes of Stoke or Fulham. But also think 16.5 million should the club reinvest it that’s is, could buy 2 very good young strikers from over seas on half his wage.

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« Reply #920 on: June 22, 2019, 10:58:59 AM »
Fulham after Gayle according to BBC sport gossip

I would think that if there is a serious offer from a Prem Club then that's where he would be heading.
I would hate for him to join another Championship Club as they would be that much stronger for having him in their squad
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #921 on: June 22, 2019, 04:42:01 PM »
Really torn on this. Would love us to do a straight swap with Rondon rather than see him join the likes of Stoke or Fulham. But also think 16.5 million should the club reinvest it that’s is, could buy 2 very good young strikers from over seas on half his wage.
Would be worth more in the long term if he fires us up next season

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« Reply #922 on: June 23, 2019, 04:04:53 PM »
No thanks. I wouldn't want a proven racist at the club.

Interesting. When was this objective racism testing carried out?

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #923 on: June 23, 2019, 09:26:27 PM »
I was ignorant to this until I suggested Shelvey in a rondon swap deal, having subsequently read a bit about it, it does seem like there is a problem there he was heavily sanctioned by the FA (100k)but denies racism still!
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #924 on: June 24, 2019, 01:22:50 PM »
With Benetiz leaving Newcastle I think that has finished any chance Gayle coming here.  The only way we could have got him back was to be part of a Rondon deal.  A new manager will have new ideas about the players they want besides by the time they appoint a new manager the transfer window will be almost closed.

We could be in a situation where he stays with us for the last year of his contract and some how we have to pay his wages.