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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #775 on: June 16, 2019, 12:13:55 PM »
We’ve been here before with Lukaku

I’m not getting my hopes up in the slightest
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #776 on: June 16, 2019, 12:15:23 PM »
Controversial opinion but I don't want us to sign Gayle. Turns 30 this year, and I'm not entirely sure he's a pure poacher who can carry on well into his thirties like Kevin Phillips could.

As Standaman said in another thread, he doesn't fit the role that Bilic is likely to want to play.

Thanks for a good season Dwight, but let's look elsewhere.
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #777 on: June 16, 2019, 12:15:36 PM »
Without Gayle we need 2 strikers. If we get Gayle back we only need another back up striker.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #778 on: June 16, 2019, 12:18:10 PM »
Controversial opinion but I don't want us to sign Gayle. Turns 30 this year, and I'm not entirely sure he's a pure poacher who can carry on well into his thirties like Kevin Phillips could.

As Standaman said in another thread, he doesn't fit the role that Bilic is likely to want to play.

Thanks for a good season Dwight, but let's look elsewhere.

He would still deliver 20+ goals next season. Where we going to find those goals from ?

Without him last season we would never have made the play offs !!!

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #779 on: June 16, 2019, 12:20:31 PM »
He would still deliver 20+ goals next season. Where we going to find those goals from ?

Without him last season we would never have made the play offs !!!

I'm not just thinking about next season. It's that kind of short term planning that got us into this mess.

People are suggesting 3 year contracts, so we're going to have a 32 year old striker with no real resale value on probably the largest wages at the club.

If we don't get promoted then he will be a major burden on this club.

Fans won't like it but if I were Dowling I wouldn't sanction a permanent move for him. A loan would be acceptable so long as there's no guarantee we have to sign him
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #780 on: June 16, 2019, 12:29:06 PM »
I'm not just thinking about next season. It's that kind of short term planning that got us into this mess.

People are suggesting 3 year contracts, so we're going to have a 32 year old striker with no real resale value on probably the largest wages at the club.

If we don't get promoted then he will be a major burden on this club.

Fans won't like it but if I were Dowling I wouldn't sanction a permanent move for him. A loan would be acceptable so long as there's no guarantee we have to sign him

If we get promoted next season , his wages will be a pittance compared to the revenue we would generate in the premier league.

To get promoted we still need to score the same level of goals we scored last season.

The last thing we want is to see him go to Leeds or Middlesbrough and for him to score a hat trick against us.  I'm sure Dowling would be more wary of that happening.

He is guaranteed 20+ goals in this league , without him we are 20+ goals short next season.  That could mean no promotion.   Is it worth taking that risk !!!!

We need to start thinking about next season not 3 years away.  3 years away Bilic might not be with us !!!

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #781 on: June 16, 2019, 12:43:06 PM »
I'm not just thinking about next season. It's that kind of short term planning that got us into this mess.

People are suggesting 3 year contracts, so we're going to have a 32 year old striker with no real resale value on probably the largest wages at the club.

If we don't get promoted then he will be a major burden on this club.

Fans won't like it but if I were Dowling I wouldn't sanction a permanent move for him. A loan would be acceptable so long as there's no guarantee we have to sign him

Think of all those lovely goals he would score in 3 years though...

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #782 on: June 16, 2019, 01:02:47 PM »
I'm not just thinking about next season. It's that kind of short term planning that got us into this mess.

People are suggesting 3 year contracts, so we're going to have a 32 year old striker with no real resale value on probably the largest wages at the club.

If we don't get promoted then he will be a major burden on this club.

Fans won't like it but if I were Dowling I wouldn't sanction a permanent move for him. A loan would be acceptable so long as there's no guarantee we have to sign him

I'm with you on this. Signing Gayle permanently would be a mistake considering his age, wages and the need to get promoted for it to not be a financial burden on the club.

However I think a second loan next season would be a good move. Rondon to Newcastle for £14.5m + Gayle on loan for the year would be an acceptable deal.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #783 on: June 16, 2019, 01:10:00 PM »
If we get promoted next season , his wages will be a pittance compared to the revenue we would generate in the premier league.

To get promoted we still need to score the same level of goals we scored last season.

The last thing we want is to see him go to Leeds or Middlesbrough and for him to score a hat trick against us.  I'm sure Dowling would be more wary of that happening.

He is guaranteed 20+ goals in this league , without him we are 20+ goals short next season.  That could mean no promotion.   Is it worth taking that risk !!!!

We need to start thinking about next season not 3 years away.  3 years away Bilic might not be with us !!!

It doesn't work that way. Without him we will only be short on goals by as much as any replacement fails to match his goal rate. If we (purely hypothetically) signed nobody and just played Rogers up front all next season and he got 10-12 goals then you could argue we were 'technically' 8-10 goals short.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #784 on: June 16, 2019, 01:17:58 PM »
It doesn't work that way. Without him we will only be short on goals by as much as any replacement fails to match his goal rate. If we (purely hypothetically) signed nobody and just played Rogers up front all next season and he got 10-12 goals then you could argue we were 'technically' 8-10 goals short.

That's the big problem. Who else can we bring in who will guarantee us goals. There is not many strikers around who you can say that about.

Strikers like Che Adams at Blues have done it for one season. In this league Gayle has done it for us last season, Newcastle  and Crystal palace in previous seasons.

If we had him we would guarantee those goals for us and deprive any other championship club of the 20+ goals.

we could buy a right donkey who promises us 20 goals but will probably end up with only 5  !!!

I'm sure many names come to mind in the past for Albion fans when anyone mentions that last statement.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #785 on: June 16, 2019, 01:34:31 PM »
There’s a deal to be done surely. Rondon for 12m and Gayle on loan? Newcastle to pay half of his 60k/week for the loan duration

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #786 on: June 16, 2019, 01:36:12 PM »
That's the big problem. Who else can we bring in who will guarantee us goals. There is not many strikers around who you can say that about.

Strikers like Che Adams at Blues have done it for one season. In this league Gayle has done it for us last season, Newcastle  and Crystal palace in previous seasons.

If we had him we would guarantee those goals for us and deprive any other championship club of the 20+ goals.

we could buy a right donkey who promises us 20 goals but will probably end up with only 5  !!!

I'm sure many names come to mind in the past for Albion fans when anyone mentions that last statement.

Yes like letting Phillips go and signing Bart who didn’t even play

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #787 on: June 16, 2019, 02:06:43 PM »
Get him in, who are we going to recruit to replace his goals, and his lately found long throw-in expertise!
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #788 on: June 16, 2019, 02:17:14 PM »
He would still deliver 20+ goals next season. Where we going to find those goals from ?

Without him last season we would never have made the play offs !!!
Whilst I would certainly be happy to have him for another season or two, to suggest that it would be impossible to replace his goals is frankly silly. There were 8 or 9 players in the Championship alone who scored 20+ goals last season, and many more around the world. This is where a good DOF earns his dosh - find someone who we probably haven't heard of before, that can score goals at this level. A Peter Odemwingie or a young Lukaku for example. Or a Pukki, a McBurnie, or a Bowen, just to pluck 3 examples out of many.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #789 on: June 16, 2019, 02:35:19 PM »
Whilst I would certainly be happy to have him for another season or two, to suggest that it would be impossible to replace his goals is frankly silly. There were 8 or 9 players in the Championship alone who scored 20+ goals last season, and many more around the world. This is where a good DOF earns his dosh - find someone who we probably haven't heard of before, that can score goals at this level. A Peter Odemwingie or a young Lukaku for example. Or a Pukki, a McBurnie, or a Bowen, just to pluck 3 examples out of many.

Its easy to say that after the season is over, but at the start of last season who would you put your money on to score 20 + goals last season, Gayle, Pukki , Mcburnie or Bowen ??

And who would you say is the best bet for 20+ goals next season ??

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #790 on: June 16, 2019, 02:40:56 PM »
I think this is just another piece of lazy journalism to be honest. Slaven only got the gig the other day, so who has he said this to? The Dowling comments are known to us so put two and two together and you come up with yet another 'none' story.......
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #791 on: June 16, 2019, 02:42:46 PM »
Whilst I would certainly be happy to have him for another season or two, to suggest that it would be impossible to replace his goals is frankly silly. There were 8 or 9 players in the Championship alone who scored 20+ goals last season, and many more around the world. This is where a good DOF earns his dosh - find someone who we probably haven't heard of before, that can score goals at this level. A Peter Odemwingie or a young Lukaku for example. Or a Pukki, a McBurnie, or a Bowen, just to pluck 3 examples out of many.
Nobody scored 20+ goals whilst playing several games from wide positions though.
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #792 on: June 16, 2019, 02:52:06 PM »
Its easy to say that after the season is over, but at the start of last season who would you put your money on to score 20 + goals last season, Gayle, Pukki , Mcburnie or Bowen ??

And who would you say is the best bet for 20+ goals next season ??
At the start of last season, I'd have put my money on Gayle because he was proven at this level and I knew little of the other 3 I mentioned. But the bet would have been poor value because Gayle was only around 10/1 to be top scorer and the others were all over 50/1. However, this isn't the point I was making. You were suggesting that we wouldn't be able to replace his goals, but it is the job of the DOF to find the solution to that problem, and hopefully he is much better at doing so than you or I. I like Gayle but he is certainly not irreplaceable.

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« Reply #793 on: June 16, 2019, 02:52:17 PM »
Nobody scored 20+ goals whilst playing several games from wide positions though.

Bowen did whilst playing every single game on the wing. I’d love Gayle back but it’s not impossible to find a 20 goal Championship striker. If we can get one in who is younger than Gayle then it would be a massive bonus.

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« Reply #794 on: June 16, 2019, 02:55:03 PM »
Nobody scored 20+ goals whilst playing several games from wide positions though.
WBA_1996 beat me to it and he is right. The other point I would make is that none of the others were on 50k + a week, so there is a question of value for money as well

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« Reply #795 on: June 16, 2019, 03:06:48 PM »
WBA_1996 beat me to it and he is right. The other point I would make is that none of the others were on 50k + a week, so there is a question of value for money as well

I'm not too sure we fans need to even mention money.  That is for the board to worry about.

I don't give a damn about money.  I pay for my season ticket so I expect goals and wins. Do you really think our season ticket is good value for money when we don't score goals but we are paying a striker £10k a week !!

And as for replacing Gayle with a younger player who will guarantee 20+ goals next season.........  good luck with that.  Don't you think that's what all the championship sides are after ?

I remember Man Utd buying Van Persie for £25 Million when he was over 30 and many so called pundits said it was bad business , but his goals helped deliver the title for them in his 1st season.

If this time next season  we are looking forward to competing in the premier league after winning the championship and Gayle had scored 20+ goals , i wonder how many Albion fans will be moaning about his wages or how old he is ???

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« Reply #796 on: June 16, 2019, 03:16:35 PM »
Do you realise that Gayle had the best goals to mins ratio in the division?  He missed quite a few games while other strikers played almost every game.  It is not easy to pluck a 20+ goal a season player from obscurity.

We simply have to take the money for Rondon and get Gayle back for 1 year.

I mean how much are we spending to retain Brunt again?

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« Reply #797 on: June 16, 2019, 03:18:18 PM »
Anyone who doesn’t want to sign Gayle back should see their GP and shrink immediately. Best striker in this league bar none. The fantasy that we can buy an unknown from abroad and find a goal machine is just that. An Odemwingie or Pukki turn up once a decade. Any one with calibre at this level, like Maupay would be just as expensive or more expensive than Gayle. This whole debate is ridiculous, just goes to show how small time a section of our fan base is. 

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« Reply #798 on: June 16, 2019, 03:18:48 PM »
I'm not too sure we fans need to even mention money.  That is for the board to worry about.

I don't give a damn about money.  I pay for my season ticket so I expect goals and wins. Do you really think our season ticket is good value for money when we don't score goals but we are paying a striker £10k a week !!

And as for replacing Gayle with a younger player who will guarantee 20+ goals next season.........  good luck with that.  Don't you think that's what all the championship sides are after ?

I remember Man Utd buying Van Persie for £25 Million when he was over 30 and many so called pundits said it was bad business , but his goals helped deliver the title for them in his 1st season.

If this time next season  we are looking forward to competing in the premier league after winning the championship and Gayle had scored 20+ goals , i wonder how many Albion fans will be moaning about his wages or how old he is ???
Plenty I would imagine. We would now have a striker on very high wages who has never been very successful in the Premier League and is aged over 30 and counting.
You seem to think Gayle is some sort of miracle man who can't be replaced. He isn't and he can.

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« Reply #799 on: June 16, 2019, 03:20:32 PM »
Do you realise that Gayle had the best goals to mins ratio in the division?  He missed quite a few games while other strikers played almost every game.  It is not easy to pluck a 20+ goal a season player from obscurity.

We simply have to take the money for Rondon and get Gayle back for 1 year.

I mean how much are we spending to retain Brunt again?

Thank you for reminding me that some of our fans are still sane, I completely agree with you.