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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #750 on: May 30, 2019, 12:55:25 PM »

I'd be delighted if Villa payed circa £20 million for a 29 year old striker who's main threat is pace and has never regularly held down a first 11 place in a PL team, never mind scored more than 5 or 6 in a season.


Agreed. It'd be awful business on Villa's part.

I hope they go ahead and do the deal.  8)

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #751 on: May 30, 2019, 01:55:33 PM »

I'd be delighted if Villa payed circa £20 million for a 29 year old striker who's main threat is pace and has never regularly held down a first 11 place in a PL team, never mind scored more than 5 or 6 in a season.
Who's main threat is pace and the ability to anticipate goal scoring chances and to stay  calm and clincical whilst converting most of them. 
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #752 on: May 30, 2019, 02:04:10 PM »
I have to agree with jack o, Gayles premier league record is poor and is worth nowhere near 20mil, especially at 29, I’d love him back here but this is his level.
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #753 on: May 30, 2019, 02:12:23 PM »
Gayle, much like Abraham, is not someone you would fork out for in the Premier League. It is why I had laugh at people suggesting that we swap Gayle for Rondon if we were promoted, it would have been awful business, one is a proven international, Premier League striker, the other has been sold/loaned out every time a club has been promoted.

Would love him here next season though  ;D

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #754 on: May 30, 2019, 07:40:12 PM »
100% with Jacko
Hope ey waste 40m on twammy and Dwight add that to the McCormack increase and the learner payout and suddenly they ain't got much left .FFP.
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #755 on: May 31, 2019, 10:57:18 AM »
Just read this article from the Daily Star about Newcastle trying to get a deal with us for Rondon.

I wonder now, if the Gayle statement was made to take him out of the equation for the Rondon deal, perhaps we shouldn't write Gayle off just yet!

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/782340/Newcastle-West-Brom-Salomon-Rondon-transfer-news-gossip-deal-latest

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #756 on: May 31, 2019, 01:29:23 PM »
I thought I'd look up some PL stats in the Rondon v Gayle debate.

Rondon

10845 mins - 35 goals
309 mins / goal

Gayle

4704 mins - 21 goals
224 mins / goal

Gayle has only started 50 PL games whereas Rondon has started 124.

I've never rated Rondon and would still take Gayle ahead of him.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #757 on: May 31, 2019, 01:37:19 PM »
I thought I'd look up some PL stats in the Rondon v Gayle debate.

Rondon

10845 mins - 35 goals
309 mins / goal

Gayle

4704 mins - 21 goals
224 mins / goal

Gayle has only started 50 PL games whereas Rondon has started 124.

I've never rated Rondon and would still take Gayle ahead of him.
they are non comparable as players, they offer completely different threats, I would say the work rondon does for a team is worth more than goals individual goals, rondon may not score them himself but his work will have contributed to them. There’s a reason managers and players rate him so highly.
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #758 on: May 31, 2019, 01:40:41 PM »
I thought I'd look up some PL stats in the Rondon v Gayle debate.

Rondon

10845 mins - 35 goals
309 mins / goal

Gayle

4704 mins - 21 goals
224 mins / goal

Gayle has only started 50 PL games whereas Rondon has started 124.

I've never rated Rondon and would still take Gayle ahead of him.


I'd be very cautious about using stats as any sort of barometer. Rondon, for example, spent a number of those games playing for us isolated and having the ball banged at him from sixty yards.


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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #759 on: May 31, 2019, 02:29:33 PM »
A striker who can anticipate and convert goal chances is worth vastly more than a target man, however hard he might work his socks off. Instinctive goalscorers are like gold dust, physical target men are ten a pennny. 
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #760 on: May 31, 2019, 02:43:13 PM »
I'd have more sympathy with the view if Rondon had comprehensively outscored his season in the Prem when we were relegated this year, but he got, what, two goals more?  Despite playing consistantly, in a team that is way more attack minded than the one under Pulis.  Rondon is guilty of missing absolute gilt edged chances and that's not what you need in a striker. 

Let's not also forget that Gayle's run in the Prem was broken up and more a bit part than Rondon's.

This chance here was typical of the type he was missing for us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laSEB5rrUv4
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #761 on: May 31, 2019, 03:12:20 PM »

I'd be very cautious about using stats as any sort of barometer. Rondon, for example, spent a number of those games playing for us isolated and having the ball banged at him from sixty yards.

I was using the stats as a way of proving that Gayle has cut it in the Prem despite a lot of people saying that he hasn't. A goal every 2.5 games is very good. Rondon is seen by many as a proven Premiership striker but has an inferior goalscoring record. I agree playing under Pulis was difficult but he still missed a lot of chances here.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #762 on: May 31, 2019, 03:47:19 PM »
I was using the stats as a way of proving that Gayle has cut it in the Prem despite a lot of people saying that he hasn't. A goal every 2.5 games is very good. Rondon is seen by many as a proven Premiership striker but has an inferior goalscoring record. I agree playing under Pulis was difficult but he still missed a lot of chances here.

I wouldn’t even bother. Tried saying the same thing when he was with us in the prem.

Apparently we can’t compare players because they’re different, or use stats, or look at how many goals strikers scored. Seemed to do well for us bringing in other players or whatever else he apparently did as we got relegated though, before jumping ship as soon as he could afterwards  :-\

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #763 on: May 31, 2019, 03:49:06 PM »
I wouldn’t even bother. Tried saying the same thing when he was with us in the prem.

Apparently we can’t compare players because they’re different, or use stats, or look at how many goals strikers scored. Seemed to do well for us bringing in other players or whatever else he apparently did as we got relegated though, before jumping ship as soon as he could afterwards  :-\

Apparently he didn't have a relegation clause in his contract so club wanted him out just as much. Foster was the one who bailed as quick as his backside could get out of here.
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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #764 on: May 31, 2019, 03:54:55 PM »
This talk of rondon was isolated at WBA and had balls banged up to him from 50 yards is nonsense.

he had service and used to miss chances on a regular basis.

and in my opinion, that was proved when so many people said in the summer last year he will score way more in a newcastle team that play more attacking and open and he will have more support.

he scored 2 more last season than he did with us in his best season in the prem for us scoring 9. £16.5m for a player who has scored double figures once in 4 prem seasons and whos best attribute is working hard. his first touch is average, for a big lad is average in the air too.

Gayle all day IMO.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #765 on: May 31, 2019, 05:38:37 PM »
I thought I'd look up some PL stats in the Rondon v Gayle debate.

Rondon

10845 mins - 35 goals
309 mins / goal

Gayle

4704 mins - 21 goals
224 mins / goal

Gayle has only started 50 PL games whereas Rondon has started 124.

I've never rated Rondon and would still take Gayle ahead of him.

I'd take Gayle from corrie over ronfon.

Terrible player joining a list of bad strikers from rosenberg to Brown to him.

But, you will always get people defending them. That you don't do this for them nor that and therefore don't play to their strengths.

When in all honesty there strength should be be banging them in.

Good strikers bang em in others have excuses made up for them.

I never trust a striker not chomping at the bit to take a pen. The fact he is so bad at them shows his laziness to improve.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #766 on: June 02, 2019, 04:35:16 PM »
I'd take Rondon over Gayle. He is able to contribute more that just goals, whereas Gayle is a poacher who looks fantastic in the Championship, but we can't afford to carry in the Prem.

I'd take a partnership of the two of them over any involving Rodridguez though.

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« Reply #767 on: June 02, 2019, 05:35:03 PM »
I'd take Rondon over Gayle. He is able to contribute more that just goals, whereas Gayle is a poacher who looks fantastic in the Championship, but we can't afford to carry in the Prem.

I'd take a partnership of the two of them over any involving Rodridguez though.
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« Reply #768 on: June 02, 2019, 06:01:03 PM »
Gayle & Rondon will both be retired by the time we appear in the Premier League again.

And Sam Field.
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« Reply #769 on: June 02, 2019, 06:09:43 PM »
And Sam Field.
And Dwight Rondon, the son, of the son and daughter, of Gayle and Rondon.
Chris Brunt, will still, however, be in centre midfield, with his wand of a zimmer frame.

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« Reply #770 on: June 02, 2019, 06:14:45 PM »
And Dwight Rondon, the son, of the son and daughter, of Gayle and Rondon.
Chris Brunt, will still, however, be in centre midfield, with his wand of a zimmer frame.
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« Reply #771 on: June 02, 2019, 06:30:16 PM »
And Dwight Rondon, the son, of the son and daughter, of Gayle and Rondon.
Chris Brunt, will still, however, be in centre midfield, with his wand of a zimmer frame.

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #773 on: June 16, 2019, 12:08:09 PM »

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Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« Reply #774 on: June 16, 2019, 12:10:01 PM »
Could the Gayle / Rondon deal still be on the table  !!!

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/dwight-gayle-wba-newcastle-united-16436628

I think it would be a real signal of intent but also could be one that plays out through the window but it would lift the place.

I can still see it being loan with view to permanent with a price knocked down for Rondon.