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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #1300 on: February 16, 2020, 12:16:51 PM »
I just do not get it
There has been much on here over recent times, wether or not people should question the manager (and apparently some saying his position should be under threat) and it remains mostly sensible thoughts of the people and their own opinions.

Then we get to the keeper and this seems to split the fan base in 3
1) he’s not good enough for where we are/where we are going (hopefully)
2) he’s actually very good, look at his penalty record and some recent clean sheets
3) don’t really get involved , he is the keeper so let’s get on with it

For clarity I am definitely in number 1, I have been for most of the time he’s been in goal.
I’ve never met him, don’t care that he came from villa (super Kev was ok?) and gain nothing from wishing him to be replaced...other than the hope that the replacement is better..
But ......I’m definitely not a lone voice, there seemed a few that agreed and over time this has snowballed and now feels like the majority (certainly from the posts I read) are in 1 with many stating things like “I thought he was ok but he seems to be getting worse”
Now....we can’t blame the player for being picked....so How come the manager/coaching staff haven’t done anything about it ?
Does Slav really have the balls to drop someone on form?
To me it feels like most changes this season have been enforced due to injuries/suspension with the exclusion of Phillips (although possibly exhausted) and furlong (which is a head scratcher) I can’t remember anyone being dropped for being poor?
I think your post sums things up quite nicely.

I thought it would be worth a look to see how the fish sniffers at seal park felt about SJ & was not surprised to see practically identical posts to many on our own forum.
It was all ‘welcome Sam, a great signing’ in the beginning, followed by the same reservations, to plenty of comments about not commanding his area & poor distribution, but a good shot stopper, to finally not good enough & £6.5m fee way to much.

I have seen nothing yet to change my mind about SJ being not good enough & if we were promoted, the thought of SJ in goal fills me with little confidence.
I would LOVE to be proved wrong about SJ, but I will not be holding my breath.
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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #1301 on: February 16, 2020, 01:35:34 PM »
I'm not a great fan of SJ's, but we'll have to stick with him for this season and hope he's got enough in his locker to help us to promotion. If we make it to the Prem, I'd like to see a keeper who commands his box, comes for crosses and has the authority to help organise his defence.
One obvious candidate who ticks all those boxes is Foster. If Watford get relegated, then we should make him an offer which I think he might accept. Back in the Midlands, kids are West Brom fans etc. 
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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #1302 on: February 16, 2020, 01:56:37 PM »
I'm not a great fan of SJ's, but we'll have to stick with him for this season and hope he's got enough in his locker to help us to promotion. If we make it to the Prem, I'd like to see a keeper who commands his box, comes for crosses and has the authority to help organise his defence.
One obvious candidate who ticks all those boxes is Foster. If Watford get relegated, then we should make him an offer which I think he might accept. Back in the Midlands, kids are West Brom fans etc.
left on sour note so it's a no for me, good keeper but we should be looking for someone younger.

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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #1303 on: February 16, 2020, 03:41:29 PM »
When the vile lot come down at the end of the season, how about a cheeky purchase of Reina? He would still be in the Premiership, then.

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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #1304 on: February 16, 2020, 04:24:13 PM »
left on sour note so it's a no for me, good keeper but we should be looking for someone younger.
Can't see the point of holding a grudge, if he helped us gain, maybe, 10 points over a season.  The past would soon be forgotten. But needs Watford to be relegated first. 
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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #1305 on: February 16, 2020, 04:32:56 PM »
I’d never want Foster here again.

Just when we needed some loyalty, he couldn’t wait to bugger off.

Gives it the big Albion fan in the media and then couldn’t wait to leave.

Leave him be.
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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #1306 on: February 16, 2020, 05:18:06 PM »
I’d never want Foster here again.

Just when we needed some loyalty, he couldn’t wait to bugger off.

Gives it the big Albion fan in the media and then couldn’t wait to leave.

Leave him be.

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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #1307 on: February 16, 2020, 05:24:31 PM »
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I’d never want Foster here again.

Just when we needed some loyalty, he couldn’t wait to bugger off.

Gives it the big Albion fan in the media and then couldn’t wait to leave.

Leave him be.
Not the first time either , did the same / similar across the Blues. Also think he has had his moments e.g v Stoke for us , had kick charged down into goal this season , well passed his sell by date move on !!
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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #1308 on: February 16, 2020, 05:52:43 PM »
I’d never want Foster here again.

Just when we needed some loyalty, he couldn’t wait to bugger off.

Gives it the big Albion fan in the media and then couldn’t wait to leave.

Leave him be.
Player wants to play in the Prem. Can't see what's so surprising about that. Like Jay Rod, like Dawson.  Not many would turn down an offer to stay in the Champ, Albion fan or not. In fact, I'm struggling to think of anyone in the modern era who's turned down a chance to play in the Prem. Club loyalty is now very hard to find.
If the tables are turned and say Watford are in the Champ, why can't we profit from that?
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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #1309 on: February 16, 2020, 07:58:11 PM »
It’s frustrating that we only conceded one shot on target, yet lose 2 goals. It seems that the opposition don’t have to do a lot to score past us. Having said that, the blame for yesterday can not be attributed to SJ in any way.

What I don’t like - and I’ve noticed it for some time - is that he walks off the pitch at the end of the game straight away. No claps. Nothing. Even yesterday, one Forest player was near him but he was off like a shot.

I can’t blame him for being annoyed at ‘some’ of the criticism he’s received this season, but you’d like a bit more back from him, especially after home games.

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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #1310 on: February 16, 2020, 08:33:31 PM »
It’s frustrating that we only conceded one shot on target, yet lose 2 goals. It seems that the opposition don’t have to do a lot to score past us. Having said that, the blame for yesterday can not be attributed to SJ in any way.

What I don’t like - and I’ve noticed it for some time - is that he walks off the pitch at the end of the game straight away. No claps. Nothing. Even yesterday, one Forest player was near him but he was off like a shot.

I can’t blame him for being annoyed at ‘some’ of the criticism he’s received this season, but you’d like a bit more back from him, especially after home games.

I don't blame him a bit, most of it is way over the top and unjustified, look at the criticism from this weekend, no way his fault, but the usual criticism comes his way. I actually don't think he is good enough for the Premier League, but overall, he has done an okay job, in some areas he is very good (distribution and reflex saves) in other areas he is weaker (command of his area and from corners), he hasn't let us down, but I think with some of the criticism, we have let him down.
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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #1311 on: February 16, 2020, 09:02:15 PM »
For Forest's first goal that low centre was nearer him than Bartley.  I think he could have easily cut it out.  his game against Millwall proves that he's not bad for the Championship but I would prefer someone who wants to boss his six yard area.
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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #1312 on: February 16, 2020, 09:31:00 PM »
Is he great? No
Is he good ? Debatable
Is he rubbish ? No

Is he at his level? Probably
Will constantly slagging him off help him improve? No
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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #1313 on: February 17, 2020, 12:36:49 AM »
Is he great? No
Is he good ? Debatable
Is he rubbish ? No

Is he at his level? Probably
Will constantly slagging him off help him improve? No


Is he great: No
Is he good: No
Is he rubbish: Yes


Why didn't we think of this sooner. Succinct.
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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #1314 on: February 17, 2020, 09:54:51 AM »

Is he great: No
Is he good: No
Is he rubbish: Yes


Why didn't we think of this sooner. Succinct.

I feel a poll coming on, (ooer missus !!)
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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #1315 on: February 17, 2020, 10:18:58 AM »
I’d never want Foster here again.

Just when we needed some loyalty, he couldn’t wait to bugger off.

Gives it the big Albion fan in the media and then couldn’t wait to leave.

Leave him be.

I keep seeing this narrative of Foster the 'bad guy' but I don't believe it to be accurate. Let's look at the facts he was 35 when leaving us and during the 2018/19 season would be turning 36, he'd also suffered multiple serious knee injuries in his career (which he'd alluded to in the Tai Schierenberg documentary and said they were taking their toll). I believe the club considered these factors and concluded he was a serious risk. I can only assume he would have been on high wages as he was a senior figure and mainstay of our team so it doesn't take much common sense to see why the club acted the way they did. From what I understand (have a friend who has spoken to Foster) the club actually told Foster that he would not be their number 1 and they were signing a younger goalkeeper.

For many people Foster is the best goalkeeper we've had in the modern era and I share this view. He's been involved in some of our most successful results and league campaigns in recent times so you can see how this news came as a bit of a kick in the teeth to Foster. If you take the time to read about Foster outside of football he comes across as a family man and an all round top bloke. I believe he was settled in the area and I think given enough encouragement would have saw out the rest of his career with us.

To date the decision to replace Foster with Johnstone has looked a poor one and in my opinion we have massively downgraded in the goalkeeping department. If promoted I believe this is an area we will need to address.

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Re: Sam Johnstone
« Reply #1316 on: February 17, 2020, 10:51:19 AM »
For Forest's first goal that low centre was nearer him than Bartley.  I think he could have easily cut it out.  his game against Millwall proves that he's not bad for the Championship but I would prefer someone who wants to boss his six yard area.
I agree, its not just that he doesn't come for crosses, but he doesn't seem to be in charge of the 6 yard box, players with their back to goal need to be yelled at and told when to leave it, hoof it, man on, whatever, it doesn't look to me like he does that.

He's a decent championship stopped though IMHO.