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« Reply #2300 on: December 05, 2018, 02:31:35 PM »
I think the problem at the end against Brentford is that we did neither, we didn't go for the kill, and we didn't go back into a proper defensive shape - no-one made a decision, so the defenders, being defenders, drifted backwards, while some were still trying to make breaks - Morrison lost the ball on the touchline just before their goal because he tried to beat two players, and if he had we could have been away on the break, it just bobbled their way off someone's shins if I saw it right, and they went forward and ended up scoring soon after.  I wouldn't have minded so much if they had scored as a result of the game going basketball and us trying for the second, but we didn't, we just sort of tried to hang in there.

Basically we had no shape at the end and no-one did anything about it.

Spot on!! It was a real clustermessup. 

Players - In a team yet to keep a clean sheet the players hit the panic button and dropped deep to protect the lead.  At one point our only means of playing the ball out was to hit Tosin on the half way line who just flicked the ball away each time -  again drawing Brentford on.

Management - Regardless of how they scored it was coming, we could all see/feel that it was coming. The whole stadium fans and players were clenching buttocks.  I can understand that a manger with faith in his players would keep things as they were as we had dominated most of the game...but I'm hoping they learn.   As much as Brentford's gamesmanship was soooo frustrating I would have been happy to see us make substitutions just to break up Brentford's impetus and see our players writhe around on the floor like they had been snipered.   If we cannot close out a game against a team we have just dominated then we will not challenge for the top 2.  Simples.

Still happy with Darren Moore though.  Any manager that can set a team up so they should be leading 6-0 at half time is doing something right and he needs to be backed in January with a RB and CM at least as

a. Tosin cannot do the job of an attacking RB so when Brentford closed down Gibbs side in the second half there was no alternative to go wide right.
b.  Mozza has made a massive difference to this team, and he looks fitter and sharper than for a few years....but will he last the season?


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« Reply #2301 on: December 05, 2018, 03:01:26 PM »
I have said before that football is a simple game, the rules and basics are understood by children at Primary school.
I have also said footballers are generally not the sharpest tools in the shed.
Most of us on here, well probably all of us,( some won't admit it for being seen as moaners or Dingles,) can see the obvious in a football game. ie if a player is tired, or if a formation is not working. It's not rocket science.
My biggest  gripe is these so called football managers who leave the best striker in the division on the bench, play left footed players in CM, Cb's at fullback and have strikers working the channels.
What in the name of God is that all about?
Gayle has said he would like to stay, so we keep sticking him on the bench. We play barely average defenders in a back three, despite it keep costing us goals.
Either the man is as dense as a piece of timber or he is so arrogant he doesn't want to admit he's wrong.
I think badges are just a bit of a cosmetic practice to give thick people a bit of confidence, a bit like the Wizard of Oz giving the scarecrow and Lion a diploma and medal.
It's not just Darren, i like the guy, but football in general.
For me a great simple exciting game has been turned more into a game of chess by clueless idiots.
Football is simple, play your best players in their best positions.
Having said that, we are third in the championship and Darren has a great record from the games he had in the prem.
You tell me, is it just beginners luck?

Much to agree with in this post - once of SGM's greatest qualities whilst at the Hawthorns was bringing in players that were specialists in their position and sticking them there.   No fullbacks so in comes Lyttle and Clem.  Easy to beat in the air at corners so in came Butler.  Lacking captains? just go out and buy everybody else's (at one point I think we had four ex club captains in the first 11).  But what SGM did was bring in players to rectify the identified weaknesses.   Once Bartley, Barnes and Gayle had arrived Darren Moore was basically left to fill the remaining gaps with freebies and best mates!! I can guarantee they weren't his first choices.   So you get a CB at RB and Brunty in CM. 

However, in regards to dense or arrogant I have seen many more experienced football managers here who would have taken a lot longer than Darren Moore to change from a preferred way of playing.  Three? poor results in a 3-5-2 and we are playing 4-3-3 against Leeds and back on the up.  I agree that we struggled defensively at times in a 3-5-2 but we were winning games and scoring goals, isn't that what we all wanted? On the whole I was loving the 3-5-2 experiment and fully expect us to play that way again once the squad is supplemented. 

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« Reply #2302 on: December 06, 2018, 12:56:14 AM »
Don't mind either system but our problem was asking defender's to play silky football from the back which none of them are use to or comfortable doing.

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« Reply #2303 on: December 08, 2018, 01:47:15 AM »
Picked a team to dominate tonight, we definitely missed Mozza and HRK we but while the scores were level we were by far the better side... Dean Smith... another manager schooled by Big Darren Moore.
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« Reply #2304 on: December 08, 2018, 02:30:07 AM »
Picked a team to dominate tonight, we definitely missed Mozza and HRK we but while the scores were level we were by far the better side... Dean Smith... another manager schooled by Big Darren Moore.
A good game to watch. A derby. Nobody schooled anyone.
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« Reply #2305 on: December 08, 2018, 07:47:40 AM »
Picked a team to dominate tonight, we definitely missed Mozza and HRK we but while the scores were level we were by far the better side... Dean Smith... another manager schooled by Big Darren Moore.
That made me laugh Jacko!
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« Reply #2306 on: December 08, 2018, 08:15:39 AM »
It's been obvious since day 1 that Moore's weakness at this level is conceding. We scored 2 tonight at home and still didn't win, whenever you go 1 goal up, you know you need at least 1 more because you will end up conceding at some point.

Sort the defence out and we go up, otherwise we stay down.

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« Reply #2307 on: December 08, 2018, 09:28:06 AM »
Now's not the time to knee jerk , thats exactly how you get in trouble . Things from Moore need to improve , too much patching up and getting by this season .
We almost need to go back to basics again defending wise , stopping crosses , staying with your man , keeping your shape. Basics.
While there's things I question about Moore I will add he's been given little to work with , what side chasing promotion has to sign Mears , Wes and a knackered Sako ?
He's needs backing at least a right back , midfielder and striker.
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« Reply #2308 on: December 08, 2018, 09:51:44 AM »
Now's not the time to knee jerk , thats exactly how you get in trouble . Things from Moore need to improve , too much patching up and getting by this season .
We almost need to go back to basics again defending wise , stopping crosses , staying with your man , keeping your shape. Basics.
While there's things I question about Moore I will add he's been given little to work with , what side chasing promotion has to sign Mears , Wes and a knackered Sako ?
He's needs backing at least a right back , midfielder and striker.

I don't think things can be considered knee jerk when you have been watching it for 21 games.

Having to score 2/3 goals to get something out of a game is ridiculous.

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« Reply #2309 on: December 08, 2018, 09:56:27 AM »
Now's not the time to knee jerk , thats exactly how you get in trouble . Things from Moore need to improve , too much patching up and getting by this season .
We almost need to go back to basics again defending wise , stopping crosses , staying with your man , keeping your shape. Basics.
While there's things I question about Moore I will add he's been given little to work with , what side chasing promotion has to sign Mears , Wes and a knackered Sako ?
He's needs backing at least a right back , midfielder and striker.

The problem we have is that we have our first 11 beyond that Moore doesn’t seem to want to use or trust the subs . Last night we have Burke who has been in oblivion thrust
 into the last 10 mins yet people like Sako who has premier league and big game experience left on bench . We are coming up to a busy period and some of our players are tiring after 60 minutes if he can’t give people 5 or 10 mins against Brentford what’s he going to do when he has got to give them 90 .

Mears was a Moore choice  of that there is no doubt .

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« Reply #2310 on: December 08, 2018, 10:00:39 AM »
Picked a team to dominate tonight, we definitely missed Mozza and HRK we but while the scores were level we were by far the better side... Dean Smith... another manager schooled by Big Darren Moore.

Schooled, by needing a 90th minute handball on our own patch and Abraham to miss the easiest chance you’ll ever see  ;D please never change, Jacko

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« Reply #2311 on: December 08, 2018, 10:14:27 AM »
I don't think things can be considered knee jerk when you have been watching it for 21 games.

Having to score 2/3 goals to get something out of a game is ridiculous.
The bloke hasn't had 30 games yet has he ? , he's a rookie thats taken over a mess of a club when you look at thr big picture . He's learning on the job and will make mistakes , thats not touching on the cost cutting thats gone on . In many ways he's over achieving , as I've said to you before there's plenty I don't agree with but he needs time .
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« Reply #2312 on: December 08, 2018, 10:18:05 AM »
The problem we have is that we have our first 11 beyond that Moore doesn’t seem to want to use or trust the subs . Last night we have Burke who has been in oblivion thrust
 into the last 10 mins yet people like Sako who has premier league and big game experience left on bench . We are coming up to a busy period and some of our players are tiring after 60 minutes if he can’t give people 5 or 10 mins against Brentford what’s he going to do when he has got to give them 90 .

Mears was a Moore choice  of that there is no doubt .
I look at the bench and other than Brunt I don't see anybody who can change a game , Sako maybe if he gets fit.
I see Mears as a example of whats gone on , Nyom on good money shoved out and a cheap cover signing coming in.
If thats not cost cutting I don't know what is , I can only hope Dowling hits the floor running.
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« Reply #2313 on: December 08, 2018, 10:44:03 AM »
Schooled, by needing a 90th minute handball on our own patch and Abraham to miss the easiest chance you’ll ever see  ;D please never change, Jacko
jrod against Brentford was worse

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« Reply #2314 on: December 08, 2018, 11:25:46 AM »
I look at the bench and other than Brunt I don't see anybody who can change a game , Sako maybe if he gets fit.
I see Mears as a example of whats gone on , Nyom on good money shoved out and a cheap cover signing coming in.
If thats not cost cutting I don't know what is , I can only hope Dowling hits the floor running.

A lot of people wanted anyone Nyom out though. I think he wanted to leave rather than being shoved out.

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« Reply #2315 on: December 08, 2018, 12:52:03 PM »
A lot of people wanted anyone Nyom out though. I think he wanted to leave rather than being shoved out.
Either way I'd bet Mears is at least on 50% less wages than Nyom , cost cutting from above
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« Reply #2316 on: December 08, 2018, 01:08:21 PM »
Anyone know how many player's have started for us this year must be the fewest in league

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« Reply #2317 on: December 08, 2018, 01:44:04 PM »
As I see it, following the relegation, the steady decline, chopping and changing of Head Coaches (4 in one season if you count Sir Gary) and looking at the Summer transfer upheaval (particularly the loss of our best GK for years) and teams we were putting out in the first few pre- season friendlies in the Summer, then if anyone had asked us if we would be satisfied to be sitting in 3rd place (appreciate that may change later today) and scoring 44 goals in the league, then for the majority of us, we'd have definitely exceeded expectations.

Darren Moore deserves huge credit for that. He also represents the club with great dignity.

Whether it'll get us promotion, well who knows?

Looking at the table, even going as low as 12th place Stoke, you see teams who could conceivably put together a run of results to catapult themselves into automatic contention.

In addition, from the outside looking in, it does appears that there's no great pot of cash left over from the Prem era and it's a matter of wheeling and dealing on a self financing basis.

Of course there's been issues, with formations, some of the Summer recruitment of players hasn't quite worked as we'd all hoped and defensive frailties have raised their ugly head which we clearly need to work on, but as we approach the end of the year, I'm not really sure anyone could have got more out of this squad than he has.
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« Reply #2318 on: December 08, 2018, 03:44:13 PM »
Anyone know how many player's have started for us this year must be the fewest in league
i dont know about starting  but i can tell you that we've used 24 players so far, which is around the average.

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« Reply #2319 on: December 08, 2018, 04:10:52 PM »
I’ve been saying for the last 2 months that the midfield wasn’t mobile enough.  We’ve been better with Morrison but for me we’ve got some tough decisions to make in January or June.  We need to decide what we do with Brunt, Hoolanhan, Barry and possibly Livermore and Morrison. 

I reckon we’ll get away with it against the lesser sides as our overall quality should tell.  The teams we play with greater quality will punish us (certainly if we get promoted).

The other point i’ll make is that if Sako and Burke aren’t utilised over a hectic Xmas then surely they’ll be surplus to requirements too?

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« Reply #2320 on: December 08, 2018, 05:43:36 PM »
We have a few quality players but a poor squad (despite what the media says). Moore needs to be backed in January. A right back and 2 younger centre midfielders with energy (box to box) are vital. A new goalie might be good too ;)
I think DM is doing a good job all things considered.

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« Reply #2321 on: December 08, 2018, 08:20:17 PM »
I’ve been saying for the last 2 months that the midfield wasn’t mobile enough.  We’ve been better with Morrison but for me we’ve got some tough decisions to make in January or June.  We need to decide what we do with Brunt, Hoolanhan, Barry and possibly Livermore and Morrison. 

I reckon we’ll get away with it against the lesser sides as our overall quality should tell.  The teams we play with greater quality will punish us (certainly if we get promoted).

The other point i’ll make is that if Sako and Burke aren’t utilised over a hectic Xmas then surely they’ll be surplus to requirements too?

Hoolahan will be released. Sako seems a strange one because he hasn't even had a go. Might as well get rid of him too. Barry will be released come summer regardless of division and possibly Brunt if we're going to continue with 433.

Mears should be released on the basis we're going to sign a good right back whose going straight into the first 11.

Kids need to go out on loan; leko Edwards field etc. Although if hoolahan is released and Burke gets shipped out maybe Edwards will get a go.
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« Reply #2322 on: December 08, 2018, 11:44:48 PM »
This seems like a circular argument. On the one hand we do have the one of the better squads in the Championship and possibly Moore could be getting better results out of it although we are a bit off the automatic places we have spent most of the season in the top 6. After the dislocation of relegation that is better than a lot of relegated teams have managed in recent seasons.

I honestly cannot see how posters can be seriously suggest that we should be replacing him
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« Reply #2323 on: December 09, 2018, 12:47:47 AM »
This next transfer window is possibly the most important of recent times.

It will show us the owners intentions and the recruitment skills of the new team of LD and Co and their knowledge and connections.

If the right players are brought in then we can push for top 2, but if they aren't then we will be lucky to scrape into the top 6.

Fingers crossed we'll be a much more handyside by the time we play the vile next time.


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« Reply #2324 on: December 10, 2018, 08:55:11 AM »
People have been complaining about Darren Moore's use of substitutes this season, quite rightly at times, but his decision to bring Brunt on on Friday certainly influenced the game. It was his pass that led to the cross for the equaliser.

We went 4-2-4 chasing the equaliser on Friday (Brunt and Barry in midfield, Barnes left, Burke right, JRod and Gayle through the middle) - again a Darren Moore decision which paid off. Phillips pushed further forward as the game went on and in the end played as an attacking right back and it was he who provided the cross for the hand of Rod goal.

Well done Darren.