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Re: Darren Moore sacked
« Reply #2225 on: November 22, 2018, 09:50:14 PM »
Nowhere has he said they need 75 games to be considered for match time at Albion, which is how nearly everyone who's commented on this thread about these comments has interpreted it.
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« Reply #2226 on: November 23, 2018, 08:53:29 AM »
Nowhere has he said they need 75 games to be considered for match time at Albion, which is how nearly everyone who's commented on this thread about these comments has interpreted it.

Managers - even relative novices such as Moore - use the press to communicate messages to both the players and the fans, which may not be exactly the words they use. We've seen this and we know this.

He's not saying they won't be considered for selection - that would simply dishearten them and they wouldn't work as hard. No, the message he's putting across is that because of their inexperience, they will always be behind the older players in terms of team selection, and both the young players and the fans need to understand that.

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« Reply #2227 on: November 23, 2018, 10:48:57 AM »
Managers - even relative novices such as Moore - use the press to communicate messages to both the players and the fans, which may not be exactly the words they use. We've seen this and we know this.

He's not saying they won't be considered for selection - that would simply dishearten them and they wouldn't work as hard. No, the message he's putting across is that because of their inexperience, they will always be behind the older players in terms of team selection, and both the young players and the fans need to understand that.
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« Reply #2228 on: November 23, 2018, 04:27:07 PM »
Managers - even relative novices such as Moore - use the press to communicate messages to both the players and the fans, which may not be exactly the words they use. We've seen this and we know this.

He's not saying they won't be considered for selection - that would simply dishearten them and they wouldn't work as hard. No, the message he's putting across is that because of their inexperience, they will always be behind the older players in terms of team selection, and both the young players and the fans need to understand that.

For all we know the comments were aimed at players who have refused to go on loan. We don’t really know.

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« Reply #2229 on: November 23, 2018, 09:25:28 PM »
Deserves huge credit for the past 2 games

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« Reply #2230 on: November 23, 2018, 09:51:41 PM »
Well done Darren. Maybe those who have slated him should now at the very least acknowledge that he has learned and adapted.

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« Reply #2231 on: November 23, 2018, 09:53:16 PM »
Made the simple decision to keep it the same as Leeds and got the much deserved win tonight.

At the end of the day, with the squad we have, we should be at least where we are in the league but over the last two games, he's finally got the squad playing to their strengths.

I must say though, playing Phillips on the right of the centre three has been a fantastic decision though. Keep it up Darren!

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« Reply #2232 on: November 23, 2018, 10:01:11 PM »
Considering the flack he has got after that winless run and even throughout the start when goals galore papered over cracks. He has changed his system and he's got back to back wins.

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« Reply #2233 on: November 24, 2018, 09:35:13 AM »
Darren Moore deserves huge credit. Head coaches are stubborn, they don't change their minds as a rule but Darren did against Leeds and he's not backed away from the issue against Ipswich he picked the same again. We are all quick to criticise (and rightly at times) but lets be quick enough to heap praise when it's merited as well. Leeds was our best performance of the season and Ipswich was our best away performance of the season, all is grand at the moment. At this present moment in time he gets 10/10 for his management.

Graeme Jones stated that Leeds was a one off. I don't know what he meant by that but clearly either he didn't mean the system or Darren Moore has contradicted him. I don't know which but I don't care. What id does show is the words don't mean a thing it's actions that count and to be fair that's always been the case.

There are no youngsters from our academy making any impact. This I was critical of Darren for at the start of the season as this should've been the breakthrough season for Sam Field and to be overlooked in favour of Chris Brunt was wrong for me. However, judging by the fact that Rekeem Harper is getting the nod on the bench with us playing 4-3-3 it seems Darren doesn't see a place for Sam in that system at all, preferring the physicality of Harper instead, which I can understand. Field's progress has clearly stalled and you now have to seriously question his future at the club. None of other youngsters to be fair to Darren should be getting first team action although I would like to see Oliver Burke on the bench. His pace one on one with a full back may turn out to be one hell of a weapon.

Overall, excellent stuff from Darren Moore. Keep it up big man.


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« Reply #2234 on: November 24, 2018, 09:59:26 AM »
The three of Morrison, Livermore and Phillips seems to be working very well indeed.

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« Reply #2235 on: November 24, 2018, 10:01:08 AM »
Graeme Jones stated that Leeds was a one off. I don't know what he meant by that but clearly either he didn't mean the system or Darren Moore has contradicted him.

I think too much has been made of Jones' comments. I think he was referring to the game plan of sitting back, soaking up possession and then hitting on the counter. Even though the formation was the same last night, we applied it very differently as we pressed high and gave both Phillips and Morrison the scope to join the attack.

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« Reply #2236 on: November 24, 2018, 07:40:04 PM »
Regarding post above Harper over field. Think because Harper has the ability to come in and replace Phillips and Livermore as he is a lot better at getting about the field. Field is competiting with Barry and Morrison for the other spot.

Field really needs a loan deal come January along with Edwards and or leko (depends whether we keep hoolahan)
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« Reply #2237 on: November 28, 2018, 09:57:39 PM »
3 wins out of 3

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« Reply #2238 on: November 28, 2018, 10:00:39 PM »
Fantastic run. If we can make it 5 on the bounce that would be a fantastic lead up to Christmas.
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« Reply #2239 on: November 28, 2018, 10:03:00 PM »
Brilliant response to all the nonsense said about him. A poor run answered by three successive wins. He’s answered his critics.

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« Reply #2240 on: November 28, 2018, 10:04:57 PM »
Brilliant response to all the nonsense said about him. A poor run answered by three successive wins. He’s answered his critics.

Not all was nonsense, as is the usual case both sides have some who go ott one way or the other, not just one.

Hopefully he has realised what works and what doesn't
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« Reply #2241 on: November 28, 2018, 10:06:33 PM »
The main thing is that Moore has changed it up a bit in recent weeks and shown he can use different styles and even win ugly if needed. I hope he continues to improve.
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« Reply #2242 on: November 28, 2018, 10:10:07 PM »
Not all was nonsense, as is the usual case both sides have some who go ott one way or the other, not just one.

Hopefully he has realised what works and what doesn't

He should have been given more time and understanding. Too many had written him off. Who knows how good or bad he will be, but we should at least support him while he learns the ropes while turning us around from the post Pulis nightmare. I think that so far he has done a great job.

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« Reply #2243 on: November 28, 2018, 10:32:05 PM »
He should have been given more time and understanding. Too many had written him off. Who knows how good or bad he will be, but we should at least support him while he learns the ropes while turning us around from the post Pulis nightmare. I think that so far he has done a great job.

And too many were praising him over the top after a win, middle ground is needed. Long long way to go
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« Reply #2244 on: November 28, 2018, 10:42:59 PM »
And too many were praising him over the top after a win, middle ground is needed. Long long way to go
I agree, he definitely deserved criticism when he was on his bad run, as he also deserves praise right now.

That's management I suppose, you live and die by your decisions.
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« Reply #2245 on: November 28, 2018, 11:07:34 PM »
Brilliant response to all the nonsense said about him. A poor run answered by three successive wins. He’s answered his critics.

Nonsense? It’s only him finally bowing to fan and media pressure and going to 4 at the back that has turned it around for him, he persisted with the 5 at the back ‘nonsense’ for far too long despite it being clear it wasn’t working

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« Reply #2246 on: November 28, 2018, 11:36:27 PM »
Nonsense? It’s only him finally bowing to fan and media pressure and going to 4 at the back that has turned it around for him, he persisted with the 5 at the back ‘nonsense’ for far too long despite it being clear it wasn’t working

No manager worth their salt pays any attention to the collective wisdom of the fan base and nor did Darren. Yes all Head Coaches play to the gallery to a lesser or greater degree but ultimately the last source of advice they draw upon are the fans or even less so the massed ranks of pundits and scribblers.

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« Reply #2247 on: November 29, 2018, 04:12:42 AM »
Nonsense? It’s only him finally bowing to fan and media pressure and going to 4 at the back that has turned it around for him, he persisted with the 5 at the back ‘nonsense’ for far too long despite it being clear it wasn’t working

amazing :) If he bowed to fan pressure then HRK would never have played again for the Albion, Dawson would not have played again (after the summer). We wouldn't have signed Harvey Barnes (why sign a Leicester kid when we can develop our own were a lot of the comments). If you read the media it was Moore who wanted 4 at the back changed things even though jones wanted to keep the other system. But you can keep telling yourself Moore can't make his own decisions and does what the fans say if you like...



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« Reply #2248 on: November 29, 2018, 06:24:18 AM »
Darren Moore deserves huge credit. Head coaches are stubborn, they don't change their minds as a rule but Darren did against Leeds and he's not backed away from the issue against Ipswich he picked the same again. We are all quick to criticise (and rightly at times) but lets be quick enough to heap praise when it's merited as well. Leeds was our best performance of the season and Ipswich was our best away performance of the season, all is grand at the moment. At this present moment in time he gets 10/10 for his management.

Graeme Jones stated that Leeds was a one off. I don't know what he meant by that but clearly either he didn't mean the system or Darren Moore has contradicted him. I don't know which but I don't care. What id does show is the words don't mean a thing it's actions that count and to be fair that's always been the case.

There are no youngsters from our academy making any impact. This I was critical of Darren for at the start of the season as this should've been the breakthrough season for Sam Field and to be overlooked in favour of Chris Brunt was wrong for me. However, judging by the fact that Rekeem Harper is getting the nod on the bench with us playing 4-3-3 it seems Darren doesn't see a place for Sam in that system at all, preferring the physicality of Harper instead, which I can understand. Field's progress has clearly stalled and you now have to seriously question his future at the club. None of other youngsters to be fair to Darren should be getting first team action although I would like to see Oliver Burke on the bench. His pace one on one with a full back may turn out to be one hell of a weapon.

Overall, excellent stuff from Darren Moore. Keep it up big man.

Or maybe that was all stage managed to trick Ipswich. I did question how seriously we should take any comments about formation made at fans forums or through the media as giving away your tactics is suicide.

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Re: Darren Moore sacked
« Reply #2249 on: November 29, 2018, 09:51:29 AM »
Nonsense? It’s only him finally bowing to fan and media pressure and going to 4 at the back that has turned it around for him, he persisted with the 5 at the back ‘nonsense’ for far too long despite it being clear it wasn’t working

The 5 at the back nonsense gave us some fantastic attacking football (I'm only a home ST holder admittedly, so don't see the away games in that detail) and a tremendous start to the season as we were shaky at the back but outscoring teams by some margin (highest scorers in any league at one point?).  It's very much the ying and yang...it's no coincidence that Harvey Barnes has been slightly less effective in this system, or that Dwight Gayle can be left on the bench as these are the players in the squad that really DID suit playing in a 3-5-2 and that's why we might see it again as at our best, once we were beating the first press, they were lethal running into open space.  Once teams worked us out it became obvious that the players did not have the abilities required to continue playing the formation with teams pressing higher and in greater numbers and it was changed.  I think we had three really poor games before the change was made?  In football management terms that's a pretty quick reaction compared to some who've been in charge.

If you saw the Swansea v Norwich highlights you will see that Potter is going through the same problem now at Swansea  - Norwich pressed really high and tore them apart -  although the expectation seems to be much lower there.

   
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