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« Reply #2175 on: November 10, 2018, 10:38:36 PM »
I think you're wrong.  Even at half time we were waaaay better in previous games, anyone could see that.  If we'd have lost and played like that the entire game it would have still been good progress.

Sorry but regardless of performance if we’d have got beat this forum would have been going nuts.

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« Reply #2176 on: November 10, 2018, 11:38:02 PM »
It was the best performance of the season by a mile and I think some don't realise what a terrible position we were in the summer with DM and MJ doing everything.

Hopefully, with LD in place we can start a root and branch rebuild and have some good additions lined up for Jan, which has to include a box to box mf.

If we turn those wigan and Hull defeats into hard fought one nil wins with this much more solid defence we won't be far off the top 2.


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« Reply #2177 on: November 11, 2018, 01:42:35 AM »
Great performance and a tactical master stroke by big Dave, what do us humble fans know? Apologies to Darren and Hal from a humbled fan

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« Reply #2178 on: November 11, 2018, 01:46:18 AM »
Great performance and a tactical master stroke by big Dave, what do us humble fans know? Apologies to Darren and Hal from a humbled fan


Quite a lot seeing as some of us have been screaming out for that system for weeks on end.

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« Reply #2179 on: November 11, 2018, 06:43:32 AM »
Great performance and a tactical master stroke by big Dave, what do us humble fans know? Apologies to Darren and Hal from a humbled fan

Don't over do it.
He should have changed to this system weeks ago and we know it
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« Reply #2180 on: November 11, 2018, 10:25:48 AM »
I criticise him when he gets it wrong, so only fair I praise him when he gets it right.

The system change suited us better, it allows our defenders to just defend and let the front line do the damage.

Thought Morrison was top notch in midfield today, brought a calm head on the ball and did a lot of the dirty work.

We allowed their cb’s to have the ball in areas it wasn’t going to hurt us, staying compact where it mattered.

Substitutions were well timed aswell and Gayle put the icing on the cake.

Phillips probably had his best game for us in a long while, looked real threatening coming through the middle.

Well done Big Dave, now lets go on a run and catch up some lost ground.
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« Reply #2181 on: November 11, 2018, 10:54:03 AM »
Well done Darren
The choices you made before the game & during worked, that can only be seen has a good sign in you getting up to speed with the new job. Keep it up.

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« Reply #2182 on: November 11, 2018, 11:01:06 AM »
We have scored nearly twice as many goals than tp's boro, if we can sort out the defence long term we should be there or  thereabouts come the end of the season.

My only fear is that during this 2 break he does not persist with this back 3 in training and instead tries to improve the back of yesterday.

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« Reply #2183 on: November 11, 2018, 12:02:03 PM »

Quite a lot seeing as some of us have been screaming out for that system for weeks on end.
granted folks have been screaming for a back four but it was the way he used a tight midfield 3 and a wide forward line which totally nullified Leeds attacking threat. Scratching my head to think of a better performance by an Albion team in years.

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« Reply #2184 on: November 11, 2018, 12:05:56 PM »
Don't over do it.
He should have changed to this system weeks ago and we know it
mate have to give the man credit for that performance last night by his side, haven't had a buzz like that for a long time.

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« Reply #2185 on: November 11, 2018, 12:28:03 PM »
mate have to give the man credit for that performance last night by his side, haven't had a buzz like that for a long time.

Read my earlier post (8.39pm) I had already praised him.
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« Reply #2186 on: November 11, 2018, 01:52:03 PM »
All for giving him questions, but you would be naive to purely give credit and not raise questions as to why it has taken so long and only after such a groundswell of opinions from fans and pundits (Bomber especially) alike for him to make the obvious changes.

Said it before, we have the best or second best squad (second only potentially to Stoke) at this level so we should be far better than we have been this season. This will hopefully be the turning point.

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« Reply #2187 on: November 12, 2018, 08:03:31 AM »
Well done Darren.
Please remember that you are the Head Coach, and YOU decide what goes, and your staff, whilst having input, carry out your instructions.
The whole world can see that our present group of players do not fit Mr Jones blueprint.
On Saturday you finally made the defensive change that as supporters , we had been begging for. You persevered with three at the back for far too long.
You could clearly see that not only the supporters, but the players themselves were much happier with the setup.
Please rein in Mr Jones. He has much more experience as a coach than you do, BUT YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE.
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« Reply #2188 on: November 12, 2018, 08:19:09 AM »
It was great to see a performance on saturday where the defence looked comfortable. Frustrating not to get a clean sheet but that came down to our current frailty at winning aerial balls in the box. Over all, our defence handled everything well while sitting deeper than usual.

You can't use counter attack for every game, but the energy levels shown on saturday could be the difference in the long run.

Moore got his tactics spot, finally moving away from a stubborn 3512, to something that looked more solid. Laughed when I left and saw we only had twenty something % possession. This was a textbook example of how to look in control of a game without having possession of the ball.

Really pleased.
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« Reply #2189 on: November 12, 2018, 08:41:37 AM »
Don't over do it.
He should have changed to this system weeks ago and we know it
Agreed, up to a point, but it is also possible he's been waiting for enough of the right players to be fit enough to fit them into an 11 man system?
It's not just about the back 3 or 4 it also needs the right round pegs in the right round holes in front of the back line to make the whole system work
It's also clear Johnson has changed (instructed to change?) his distribution away from always looking to play it out from the back to also being prepared to punt it long to both wings as well as down the middle
Just a thought that it's not a clear cut black and white situation and not an argument
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« Reply #2190 on: November 12, 2018, 09:05:09 AM »
i don't believe we only had 28% of possession,  Leeds hardly touched the ball in the 1st fifteen minutes.

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« Reply #2191 on: November 12, 2018, 09:10:52 AM »
I didn't believe the possession stat either, but large parts of Leeds ball playing was along their back line and we allowed that to happen, we obviously pin pointed their centre backs as being weakest on the ball so allowed them to give it away.

I saw a stat yesterday that we have scored 28 goals in the second half of games this season. More than every team (apart from Leeds) have scored in the full 90.

That's incredible.
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« Reply #2192 on: November 12, 2018, 10:33:35 AM »
Agreed, up to a point, but it is also possible he's been waiting for enough of the right players to be fit enough to fit them into an 11 man system?
It's not just about the back 3 or 4 it also needs the right round pegs in the right round holes in front of the back line to make the whole system work
It's also clear Johnson has changed (instructed to change?) his distribution away from always looking to play it out from the back to also being prepared to punt it long to both wings as well as down the middle
Just a thought that it's not a clear cut black and white situation and not an argument
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Good points Frank, also tend to think that Neil Cutler going has had more of an influence than we think.
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« Reply #2193 on: November 12, 2018, 10:58:41 AM »
It was great to see a performance on saturday where the defence looked comfortable. Frustrating not to get a clean sheet but that came down to our current frailty at winning aerial balls in the box. Over all, our defence handled everything well while sitting deeper than usual.

You can't use counter attack for every game, but the energy levels shown on saturday could be the difference in the long run.

Moore got his tactics spot, finally moving away from a stubborn 3512, to something that looked more solid. Laughed when I left and saw we only had twenty something % possession. This was a textbook example of how to look in control of a game without having possession of the ball.

Really pleased.

It was worse than I thought, we couldn't even win with 12 players! :D

You are absolutely right though about us controlling the game with minimal possession. Leeds huffed and puffed but never really threatened us, apart from maybe a chance before Roofe threw himself on the floor.

The goal we gave away was disappointing especially as you say we don't seem to win headers in our own box despite having 6'2" and 6'4" centre halfs in Dawson and Hegazi.
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« Reply #2194 on: November 12, 2018, 12:14:25 PM »
Agreed, up to a point, but it is also possible he's been waiting for enough of the right players to be fit enough to fit them into an 11 man system?
It's not just about the back 3 or 4 it also needs the right round pegs in the right round holes in front of the back line to make the whole system work
It's also clear Johnson has changed (instructed to change?) his distribution away from always looking to play it out from the back to also being prepared to punt it long to both wings as well as down the middle
Just a thought that it's not a clear cut black and white situation and not an argument
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I think it was a combination of things, including player availability.

There is no doubt that Darren Moore really wanted 3 at the back to work, and it did for a big chunk of the season at home in particular, with Barnes constantly ripping the opposition a new one every time we beat a press = Loadsagoals!  However, our goal scoring was compensating for just how vulnerable we looked at the back and once Gayle got injured and the goals dried up he had to change.

Mozza has been bought back gradually , but although at times his display was understated on Saturday due to the more direct style of play, he made a massive difference to the balance of the team.   Quick to turn on the ball, able to close down past the front three and fully aware of the space around him he just made us tick and for once Livermore was able to play as part of a balanced midfield team.  This solidity also allowed Phillips to get forward more and he had one of those days when he just looks a beast.

Regarding Johnstone, yep this looked to me like a tactical switch and he had been told to get rid up to the front three quickly often via the head of Phillips and Tosin who actually lost out once to the pipsqueak marking him but then won everything else.   However, this more direct route would not have worked withouth HRK and JRod having stoermers and this is where I do have to take off my hat to Darren Moore in the persistence with both.  We all had unhappy thoughts when we saw HRK on the team sheet and I thought JRod was done......but Darren Moore kept the faith and obviously saw they still had performances in them.








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« Reply #2195 on: November 12, 2018, 12:19:17 PM »
Well it looks like the slump could be over. Now is the time to really push on and get some big points on the board. Before the end of the year we can make a big statement and hopefully hold onto players that can get us over the line.
To be fair Leeds were rubbish but I always thought the would implode. I don't think there is another side in this league that could stand up to us playing like we did, and as well as making them make mistakes, being able to capitalise on them. That has been a failing of ours for too long but we did ourselves proud on Saturday. Long may it continue.

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« Reply #2196 on: November 12, 2018, 03:57:23 PM »
There was energy and impetus in that performance on Saturday I did not believe were capable of and MP appeared to set the tone with his (often missing) workrate, maybe more noticeable in his more central position.

The south American football correspondent Tim vickery said bielsa's team start off like a rocket and would have won him many leagues if the season only consistex of 19 games as his sides cannot maintain the pressing game they play over a long period.

That along with the mad sessions he had the Leeds players in pre season will see them fade imo, that and not having an out and out 20 plus goal striker.

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« Reply #2197 on: November 12, 2018, 06:22:27 PM »
Just looked at our fixtures and I think the next 5 will shape our season. If we can come through playing well I think DM will have everyone right on side heading towards the transfer window.

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« Reply #2198 on: November 14, 2018, 12:49:53 PM »
Agreed, although if we come through those 5 fixtures unscathed there will be some that hold the purse strings thinking we don't need strengthening in the window. It's a difficult one to forecast because we would all like to be sure of a positive outcome when May arrives and we all have ideas of how we should get there. What we really need is some consistency and balance.
I still see us very much as a work in progress and we might have to be patient. If we only rebuild to go back up that could be a backward step as we actually need to build to stay up which could prove a bit more difficult.

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« Reply #2199 on: November 15, 2018, 02:24:32 PM »
I think it was a combination of things, including player availability.

There is no doubt that Darren Moore really wanted 3 at the back to work, and it did for a big chunk of the season at home in particular, with Barnes constantly ripping the opposition a new one every time we beat a press = Loadsagoals!  However, our goal scoring was compensating for just how vulnerable we looked at the back and once Gayle got injured and the goals dried up he had to change.

Mozza has been bought back gradually , but although at times his display was understated on Saturday due to the more direct style of play, he made a massive difference to the balance of the team.   Quick to turn on the ball, able to close down past the front three and fully aware of the space around him he just made us tick and for once Livermore was able to play as part of a balanced midfield team.  This solidity also allowed Phillips to get forward more and he had one of those days when he just looks a beast.

Regarding Johnstone, yep this looked to me like a tactical switch and he had been told to get rid up to the front three quickly often via the head of Phillips and Tosin who actually lost out once to the pipsqueak marking him but then won everything else.   However, this more direct route would not have worked withouth HRK and JRod having stoermers and this is where I do have to take off my hat to Darren Moore in the persistence with both.  We all had unhappy thoughts when we saw HRK on the team sheet and I thought JRod was done......but Darren Moore kept the faith and obviously saw they still had performances in them.

I'm still unsure if playing 3 at the back was DM's preference, or more of a case that the failure to sign the RB he wanted over the summer led to him trying to shoe-horn the players into a system which did not use an out and out RB. Early in the season we played a flat back 4 against Forest with Tosin at RB, but he did not look comfortable playing there if I recall, which led to the switch to a back 3. It has been a similar situation with Brunt playing centrally. If the attempted Dack transfer had come off I imagine Brunt playing CM would not have transpired, but DM has been trying to find the best solution until January with Morrison not match fit. Both these situations also caused DM to delve into the unattached market by bringing in Mears and Sako as cover for these positions.

I know many on here have regularly expressed views similar to my post below, which I made on the 5th, but I'll re-post it here anyway:

The 'back three' aren't playing well because they are playing as a back three and are being tasked with keeping possession and playing it out from the back, while also not having a suitable CM coming to take the ball and taking the pressure of them.

Go 2 at the back (Dawson and Hegazi) with 3 in the midfield (any 3 from the plethora of options we have excluding Brunt), to 1. give the defence more protection and 2. give us more bodies in midfield so we can more readily get control of it possession wise more frequently; move Brunt to the left (or drop him all together); and allow the defenders to move the ball up the pitch more quickly and things will improve pretty rapidly. Changing to a more suitable system and style of play from what we have may just lead to Dawson seeming a bit less 'half-arsed' as well as if most of the fans can see the system is badly flawed then I'm sure many of the players can as well. It's the set-up and tactics that is beginning to kill the team, not the standard of the players.

I am confident that the squad of players we have is good enough to challenge for an automatic space, and with one or two (RB and CM, no more) key signings in January there should be no excuses for not being able to finish in 1 of those two spots.