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Gun Control in America
« on: February 25, 2018, 10:27:28 AM »
We are growing more and more numb to mass shootings from America, it's a "on another one" kind of reaction these days.

55,000 deaths have been caused from gun usage in the last four years and i think i read that the latest shooting is the 18th in a school in America this year, it's February.

An 18 year old can legally buy a weapon and modify it with a bump start to make it fully automatic but they cannot buy a can of beer.

I think it's pretty obvious where my opinion is going - what are your opinions?

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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2018, 11:56:13 AM »
When nothing happened after Sandy Hook you just know that nothing is going to change.

They were 4-5 year old children ffs.

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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2018, 11:59:07 AM »
11000 deaths a year and up to yet 30 mass shootings in 2018 alone.they just don't get it do they and never will.only hitting home when it becomes personal and touches their own family's. Thank heavens I live in GB.we ain't perfect by any means but in general we are much safer for our rigid gun controls

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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2018, 12:06:08 PM »
It's one thing they really do have wrong. Whether it's because their scared of what it will do to their economy I don't know. The other problem they have is that their streets are already flooded with guns.

An 18 year old can legally buy a weapon and modify it with a bump start to make it fully automatic but they cannot buy a can of beer.

Our Judicial system is a complete joke. From top to bottom. Whilst I agree it's a crazy law that Americans have the big firms have now started to make their moves. We on the other hand have a totally different type of joke and own problems. A bit high horseish to have a pop at America.


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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2018, 12:09:10 PM »
It's one thing they really do have wrong. Whether it's because their scared of what it will do to their economy I don't know. The other problem they have is that their streets are already flooded with guns.

Our Judicial system is a complete joke. From top to bottom. Whilst I agree it's a crazy law that Americans have the big firms have now started to make their moves. We on the other hand have a totally different type of joke and own problems. A bit high horseish to have a pop at America.



We haven’t got anything as absurdly wrong as the USA’s gun laws in this country. Sure we have problems but they are usually complex and multi faceted. The gun laws in America are were simply wrong.

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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2018, 12:25:55 PM »
We haven’t got anything as absurdly wrong as the USA’s gun laws in this country. Sure we have problems but they are usually complex and multi faceted. The gun laws in America are were simply wrong.

Nothing as absurdly wrong law wise. It's just our inability to do a good job when it comes to punishing those who break the law.

It has to be changed. However it will involve job losses and have huge impacts in everyday life in the US. That's probably why it's not as straightforward as. Gun shooting Monday, new gun laws Tuesday.

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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2018, 02:52:33 AM »
Nothing as absurdly wrong law wise. It's just our inability to do a good job when it comes to punishing those who break the law.

It has to be changed. However it will involve job losses and have huge impacts in everyday life in the US. That's probably why it's not as straightforward as. Gun shooting Monday, new gun laws Tuesday.

Rather our justice system then the disgraceful justice system they have in america.


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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2018, 07:25:02 AM »
I saw the title then and thought that they had actually introduced something!

Love Trumps idea of arming certain teachers. How does he think of them? Lets put a gun in every classroom, what could possibly go wrong??

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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2018, 03:47:38 PM »
I saw the title then and thought that they had actually introduced something!

Love Trumps idea of arming certain teachers. How does he think of them? Lets put a gun in every classroom, what could possibly go wrong??

So pleased we have the UK laws and gun control.

Just wait until he suggests arming the kids  ;) .
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2018, 03:56:46 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/26/us/politics/trump-school-shooter-florida.html

Trump Says He Would Have Rushed in Unarmed to Stop School Shooting.

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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2018, 04:02:18 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/26/us/politics/trump-school-shooter-florida.html

Trump Says He Would Have Rushed in Unarmed to Stop School Shooting.

Big talk from a draft dodger.

I thought exactly the same thing! ;D
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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2018, 06:16:20 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/26/us/politics/trump-school-shooter-florida.html

Trump Says He Would Have Rushed in Unarmed to Stop School Shooting.

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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2018, 12:36:48 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/26/us/politics/trump-school-shooter-florida.html

Trump Says He Would Have Rushed in Unarmed to Stop School Shooting.

Big talk from a draft dodger.

 ;D ;D ;D

Have you seen the footage of him clinging to that secret service agent at one of his rallies when there was crowd disorder? or running off from that eagle?

You have to hand it to trump, he's a class a bullcrap artist and has managed to convince a large part of the most powerful country in the world with his ridiculous rhetoric

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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2018, 01:06:24 PM »
;D ;D ;D

Have you seen the footage of him clinging to that secret service agent at one of his rallies when there was crowd disorder? or running off from that eagle?

You have to hand it to trump, he's a class a bullcrap artist and has managed to convince a large part of the most powerful country in the world with his ridiculous rhetoric
your right he’s very good at being a politician.

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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2018, 09:45:51 AM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43217142?

oh dear  ;D ;D ;D ;D

A Georgia teacher who barricaded himself in his classroom and fired a handgun is in police custody.
Jesse Randall Davidson, 53, locked his students in the hallway and fired a shot when the principal opened the door, according to US media reports.
No students were hurt by the alleged gunfire but one sprained her ankle.
The incident came two weeks after 17 were killed at a Florida high school and President Trump called for teachers to be armed to tackle mass shooters.
Major retailer pulls assault-style rifles
‘Spike in school threats’ after gun rampage
#WhatIf hashtag used to debate gun control
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Dalton police spokesman Bruce Frazier said that the Dalton High School teacher barricaded the door when his students tried to enter.
When the headmaster, Steve Bartoo, attempted to open the door with a key, he heard a gunshot.
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The school in Dalton - a city about 90 miles (145km) northwest of Atlanta - was placed on lockdown, the spokesman said.
A standoff lasted up to 45 minutes before Mr Davidson was taken into custody. Mr Bartoo said the teacher made "nonsensical noises" during the exchange.
Police announced late on Wednesday that the teacher has been charged with "aggravated assault, carrying weapon on school grounds, terroristic threats, reckless conduct, possession of gun during commission of a crime, and disrupting public school".
He is a social studies teacher employed at the school since 2004 and the announcer for the school football team, according to Dalton police.
Investigators say a note was found on 21 February at the high school mentioning a threat against the building the following day, but it is unclear if that is related to Wednesday's incident.
"It is really serious after so many things have happened all over the country," student Ricardo Perez told television station WTVC after the incident.
"I'm shocked, I can't believe it. I thought it was a dream."
One Dalton student tweeted at the National Rifle Association to argue that giving teachers guns is a bad idea.

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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2018, 10:08:41 AM »
Anyone who thinks that Teachers are exempt from "breakdowns, stress, pressure, drugs, alcohol and a myrad other things"--  which could cause them to "flip" is frankly, a bleeding idiot -

In justification of this argument I give you the POTUS, Mr Donald Trump !
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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2018, 12:05:44 PM »
The more worrying thing is that we only hear of a fraction of the shootings that happen in US schools. The recent attack in Florida was the 8th incident at an American school this year. So far 20 people have been killed in the attacks.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/14/school-shootings-in-america-2018-how-many-so-far

Last year there were 9 such incidents with 13 people killed.

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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2018, 12:26:21 PM »
Its not just schools either,

On the night of October 1, 2017, a gunman opened fire on a crowd of concertgoers at the Route 91 Harvest music festival on the Las Vegas Strip in Nevada, leaving 58 people dead and 851 injured.

58 people dead and 851 injured truly staggering numbers and it was in the news for how long???

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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2018, 12:56:56 PM »
The gun violence Archive is a good resource for keeping track of this kind of thing.

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org

Here are the mass shooting so far (mass shooting is 4 or more injured or dead not including the gunman/gunmen.)
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/query/0484b316-f676-44bc-97ed-ecefeabae077

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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2018, 03:29:51 PM »
The gun violence Archive is a good resource for keeping track of this kind of thing.

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org

Here are the mass shooting so far (mass shooting is 4 or more injured or dead not including the gunman/gunmen.)
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/query/0484b316-f676-44bc-97ed-ecefeabae077
That is truly shocking data for 2018 alone and really can't get my head around the yanks still being as pro active as they are with guns.I suppose until the tradegys effect them personally they don't give a sh1+

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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2018, 03:00:48 PM »
The gun violence Archive is a good resource for keeping track of this kind of thing.

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org

Here are the mass shooting so far (mass shooting is 4 or more injured or dead not including the gunman/gunmen.)
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/query/0484b316-f676-44bc-97ed-ecefeabae077

That is an eye opener of a website. Christ!

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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2018, 05:45:28 PM »
Many of these kids of though are addicted to Violent Video Games such as GTA and COD I have both of these games and I admit I was addicted to GTA only because of the Cars and Missions yes I killed a Few people on GTA but I wouldn't do it in Real Life I might have Autism but I know it's a game and you aren't hurting anybody's feelings. Where as in Real life you are. But now due to me having a PS4 I'm addicted to FIFA 18 but apart from Violent games Kids get hooked and Even though they finished the game they keep playing causing them to get that into there heads and then they buy an AR 15 or MP5 and commit these Attacks.
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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2018, 06:12:15 PM »
Many of these kids of though are addicted to Violent Video Games such as GTA and COD I have both of these games and I admit I was addicted to GTA only because of the Cars and Missions yes I killed a Few people on GTA but I wouldn't do it in Real Life I might have Autism but I know it's a game and you aren't hurting anybody's feelings. Where as in Real life you are. But now due to me having a PS4 I'm addicted to FIFA 18 but apart from Violent games Kids get hooked and Even though they finished the game they keep playing causing them to get that into there heads and then they buy an AR 15 or MP5 and commit these Attacks.

Don't become one of these snowflakes that blames anything other than themselves. Violent videogames are not an issue. Mental health Gun control they are issues.

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« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2018, 11:15:00 AM »
Don't become one of these snowflakes that blames anything other than themselves. Violent videogames are not an issue. Mental health Gun control they are issues.

And the background checks in America when somebody purchases a gun simply aren't good enough. They need to follow the example set by Japan.

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« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2018, 11:52:13 PM »
It takes a dangerously perverted and deranged human being to put guns ahead of the safety of children.

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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2018, 12:57:41 PM »
Sandy Hook was the tipping point. Once the U.S. saw primary school age children shot dead and still didn't control it properly, that was the last chance. Now they've decided they can live with that, they will tolerate anything.

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« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2018, 01:57:17 PM »
Sandy Hook was the tipping point. Once the U.S. saw primary school age children shot dead and still didn't control it properly, that was the last chance. Now they've decided they can live with that, they will tolerate anything.

I'm pretty sure that the US hasn't ratified the UN convention on the rights of the child, it is one of only 2 countries which hasn't (the other is Somalia).

The laws around child marriage beggar belief as well.
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« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2018, 02:08:19 PM »
I'm pretty sure that the US hasn't ratified the UN convention on the rights of the child, it is one of only 2 countries which hasn't (the other is Somalia).

The laws around child marriage beggar belief as well.

Only UN member state not to have done so.
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« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2018, 11:56:09 AM »
Its still living in the wild west with Billy the Trump as sheriff.

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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2018, 03:14:45 AM »
I live in the United States and from that standpoint I can safely say that unless you live here no one has any idea of what happens on a daily basis in this country. Most of the mass shootings carried out are by people with mental problems and having access to weapons within their households that should be locked in gun safes. Background checks are not extensive enough and the minimum age of 18 is IMO inadequate and should be raised to 23 or 25.

If the government were to ban weapons then the only people to suffer would be everyday law abiding citizens. There are thousands of criminals in this country that possess guns that are not registered to them and therefore would continue to possess them. It would become a free for all for any wannabe criminal and everyone else would be left defenseless.
Too many generations have passed to bring in a gun ban, there are thousands of weapons in the country that could never be fully confiscated.

If you want to dig a little deeper take a look at "operation fast and furious" that Bush and Obama governments used to put guns into the hands of drug cartels. Apparently that was so they could track what happens to them. Some of those guns have been found to have been used to murder Border Patrol Agents when the suspects have been apprehended. So as you can see NO government in this nation has any plan to ban weapons. The gun problem with criminals in Chicago is so bad they now have National guard patrolling streets to try to crack down on the death rate. Look up the stats on gun deaths in Chicago, its unreal.

I'll stop by saying I am English, have lived here 22 years and I OWN A GUN. Does that make me crazy? or a criminal? or a mass murderer? NO it makes me wise because there are so many sh*theads out there that will always want what others have and they won't be getting anything from me.... unless they like the taste of a 45 round.
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« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2018, 08:54:28 AM »
I live in the United States and from that standpoint I can safely say that unless you live here no one has any idea of what happens on a daily basis in this country. Most of the mass shootings carried out are by people with mental problems and having access to weapons within their households that should be locked in gun safes. Background checks are not extensive enough and the minimum age of 18 is IMO inadequate and should be raised to 23 or 25.

If the government were to ban weapons then the only people to suffer would be everyday law abiding citizens. There are thousands of criminals in this country that possess guns that are not registered to them and therefore would continue to possess them. It would become a free for all for any wannabe criminal and everyone else would be left defenseless.
Too many generations have passed to bring in a gun ban, there are thousands of weapons in the country that could never be fully confiscated.

If you want to dig a little deeper take a look at "operation fast and furious" that Bush and Obama governments used to put guns into the hands of drug cartels. Apparently that was so they could track what happens to them. Some of those guns have been found to have been used to murder Border Patrol Agents when the suspects have been apprehended. So as you can see NO government in this nation has any plan to ban weapons. The gun problem with criminals in Chicago is so bad they now have National guard patrolling streets to try to crack down on the death rate. Look up the stats on gun deaths in Chicago, its unreal.

I'll stop by saying I am English, have lived here 22 years and I OWN A GUN. Does that make me crazy? or a criminal? or a mass murderer? NO it makes me wise because there are so many sh*theads out there that will always want what others have and they won't be getting anything from me.... unless they like the taste of a 45 round.
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Good post. I fear you may be right about it being too far gone to implement a full gun ban similar to what we have in the UK. Interesting you mention Chicago as that is always the example given by gun lobbyists as a prime example for gun control not working, when in actual fact as neighbouring states still have more relaxed laws it is just as easy to get guns into the city. Correct me if I'm wrong there.

Would a ban on the type of weapons we see used in these mass shootings not be a wise starting point? I'm no expert but there's simply no way a man with a pistol could kill 50 people and injure almost 500 from 500 yards away with a pistol. That is the difference. If someone breaks into your house, do you really need an assault rifle to defend yourself?

Interestingly a man with obvious and known mental health issues attacked a school in the Netherlands this week. As he had no access to guns he was armed only with a knife, the students were able to fight him off by throwing their rucksacks at him. He's now being given the mental health care he needs.

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« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2018, 09:09:55 AM »
I'm sure I read somewhere that the average gun owner in the states owns 8 guns. Why? I could understand someone having 2; 1 for hunting 1 for protection but 8?
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« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2018, 12:08:33 PM »
I'm sure I read somewhere that the average gun owner in the states owns 8 guns. Why? I could understand someone having 2; 1 for hunting 1 for protection but 8?
that’s collectors skewing the national average, only some 3% of the population own close to 50% of the registered guns in America. According to the Guardian the average  leans closer to 3 or less per gun owner (of which only 30% of Americans are). I would imagine that’s 2 for hunting (rifle and/or shotgun) and a PDW.

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« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2018, 07:57:56 PM »
This is getting Pathetic No one not even the gunman should have died he should be alive questioned him and then sentenced him to Whatever but not Death as he should die in Prison but honestly after the local Bomb scare threat for 800 Schools in the UK my School did Safe School briefings and my form tutor made us practise it was started after the Florida Shooting and apparently has become Second Nature over there but not over here.
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« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2018, 10:54:51 AM »
Republican Rick Santorum has hit back at the student protesters, saying that they should learn CPR instead of campaigning for gun law reform.

The stupidity of certain sections of American society is utterly horrifying. And they call themselves "pro-life"...

The bewildering, disgusting quote: "How about kids instead of looking to someone else to solve their problem, do something about maybe taking CPR classes or trying to deal with situations that when there is a violent shooter that you can actually respond to that"

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« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2018, 11:02:46 AM »
Republican Rick Santorum has hit back at the student protesters, saying that they should learn CPR instead of campaigning for gun law reform.

The stupidity of certain sections of American society is utterly horrifying. And they call themselves "pro-life"...

The bewildering, disgusting quote: "How about kids instead of looking to someone else to solve their problem, do something about maybe taking CPR classes or trying to deal with situations that when there is a violent shooter that you can actually respond to that"

Jesus, don't worry about getting shot, just be prepared for when it happens. Thats a truly smart message. He's actually making the kids case for them, but he won't get that will he?
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« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2018, 11:29:35 AM »
Jesus, don't worry about getting shot, just be prepared for when it happens. Thats a truly smart message. He's actually making the kids case for them, but he won't get that will he?

Yep. "Just accept the fact someone may try to massacre you while you're trying to learn, and learn to deal with it" - that's basically what he's saying there.

Good on the students for standing up to this.

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« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2018, 02:29:43 AM »
They have 4% of the worlds population but 43% of the worlds guns.
It will never change,its a shame its a great country.

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« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2018, 12:23:52 PM »
Yet another Shooting Not at a School But at Youtube HQ In California Three People Injuried One Dead Which was the Women who was a Youtuber Who Shot Herself dead apparently she shot her Boyfriend and Two Women. All Because she wasn't get Payed and Uploading innapropte Videos which got Restricted.
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