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Re: Oliver Burke
« Reply #975 on: August 14, 2019, 06:40:21 AM »
Does the League 1 & 2 window allow them loans from Championship clubs, if so I'd get him away from the club as soon as possible to get some game time and tactical awareness. He looks lost and uninterested.
The price tag on his shoulders isn't his fault, but whoever put £15m on his head should be the subject of a stewards enquiry.
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Re: Oliver Burke
« Reply #976 on: August 14, 2019, 06:50:26 AM »
it is hard to defend him but we never see his pace.
I would play him wide and play the ball into open space for him to chase and hopefully use well.
If he does not produce from that situation then I don,t know what to suggest.

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« Reply #977 on: August 14, 2019, 09:57:24 AM »
Thought Burke was going to be a superstar when he signed - he doesn't have a tactical thought in his head. Doesn't know where to stand, where to run, who to pass to, never seems to know if he has time or space. ZERO footballing initiative or understanding.

I actually feel a bit sorry for him because he's so out of his depth. Scouts and coaches obviously look at him and (quite rightly) think he's got the perfect physical qualities for modern footballer and assume you can teach the technical and tactical stuff. He'll never have the technical or tactical quality to cut it in the Championship, let alone higher.

He's a kid with what looks like raw potential on a Youtube highlights reel. The fact is he has done squat since he played for Forest. It doesn't seem like he as the potential to grow into anything better than he is because he doesn't seem to take anything in - there has been ZERO development in him since the day he signed. Any potential he has is athletic and not footballing.

Between us and Leipzig, £28 million has been spent on this kid. I'd genuinely rather have Mickey Evans or Fabian de Freitas.

And they’re 46 and 47 years old.  ;D

Everyone wants Burke to succeed, especially with such a large fee, but there comes a point that if it walks like a duck, swims like a duck etc. We can keep believing and hoping he has the potential to one day become a swan, but just believing and hoping won’t make it happen.

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Re: Oliver Burke
« Reply #978 on: August 14, 2019, 10:02:46 AM »
I think he’s talent but for whatever reason it’s just not working for him here, it’s probably best for both parties he moves on, if the club could find a bundesliga team to take him on a 2 year loan that may be beneficial, he has long enough left on his contract so that if he did succeed we could still command a fee for him.
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Re: Oliver Burke
« Reply #979 on: August 14, 2019, 10:30:47 AM »
I would be shocked if the Albion arent looking a bit deeper in Burkes mental state.

I dont recall seeing a player look so unhappy and disinterested in football, he looks as though he would rather be anywhere else than on a football pitch, his body language is poor.

I dont know whether the pressure of two big moves have got to him, i know there was that report about him from the Scotland under 21 squad last year which said he had become withdrawn and isolated, he just doesnt look happy.

We have probably all had jobs we struggle with and at times dont want to be there, it looks like maybe there is element of that, problem is he is having to do his job in front of thousands of people. Of course he gets paid money we can only dream of and he has the best job in the world but the brain is a funny thing and doesnt decide who can struggle and who cant based on their money or job.

I may be completely wrong, i dont think for all the above he is a natural footballer, he doesnt seem to have a football brain but as many others have shown you can have a good career playing to your strenghs, he is big quick and strong, you have to make full use of that and not try and teach him to be something he isnt but before any of that i would be looking into his mentality and state of mind.

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Re: Oliver Burke
« Reply #980 on: August 14, 2019, 01:03:46 PM »
I would be shocked if the Albion arent looking a bit deeper in Burkes mental state.

I dont recall seeing a player look so unhappy and disinterested in football, he looks as though he would rather be anywhere else than on a football pitch, his body language is poor.

I dont know whether the pressure of two big moves have got to him, i know there was that report about him from the Scotland under 21 squad last year which said he had become withdrawn and isolated, he just doesnt look happy.

We have probably all had jobs we struggle with and at times dont want to be there, it looks like maybe there is element of that, problem is he is having to do his job in front of thousands of people. Of course he gets paid money we can only dream of and he has the best job in the world but the brain is a funny thing and doesnt decide who can struggle and who cant based on their money or job.

I may be completely wrong, i dont think for all the above he is a natural footballer, he doesnt seem to have a football brain but as many others have shown you can have a good career playing to your strenghs, he is big quick and strong, you have to make full use of that and not try and teach him to be something he isnt but before any of that i would be looking into his mentality and state of mind.

On a purely human level I do think there is probably an element of this. He obviously has some glaring deficiencies in his game and has had a lot of coaches in the past 3 years; 1 in Germany, 5 at Albion, 2 at Celtic. He's also been flip-flopped between being a winger and a striker throughout this time.

I suspect all the coaches are broadly saying the same thing and trying to coach some game intelligence into him; and in combination with bursting onto the scene at 17 at Forest, being a £28 million player with the wages to match and being heralded as Scotland's Gareth Bale has probably left him with a pretty muddled sense of what he is as a player. 'Am I the the new Gareth Bale or am I crap?' - likely there's a mixed up combination of big ego and insecurity there.

It's unfortunate because he's probably a symptom of a system that is full of overblown hype with more money than sense - and far too much of both have been thrown in his direction.

I do feel for him in a sense because none of that is his fault but when it comes down to it he's a cracking athlete and a technically and tactically limited footballer. Lacks the basics of both and hasn't shown any signs.

Don't even want to think about how many millions we'll lose in transfer fees and wages.
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Re: Oliver Burke
« Reply #981 on: August 14, 2019, 01:10:06 PM »
Although if (as is being reported) he/his agents are looking at trying to secure him a move back to Germany then that may explain his seeming on-field attitude last night.
Also wonder if he was told in the summer he was part of the thinking then we sign a load of wingers and forward players who are 'not just squad fillers' whether he thinks his time is up?

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Re: Oliver Burke
« Reply #982 on: August 14, 2019, 01:25:00 PM »
I cannot see any development to his game from when he joined.

More worryingly, I cannot believe this football club sanctioned such a large amount of spending on him. That money could have been better utilised elsewhere.

He's not a very good footballer - he has little understanding of the game and his technical play is lacking too. He has a good physique but that alone is not good enough.

He's not good enough to play out wide - so we've tried him as a striker - unfortunately, he does not look very good there either.

I would have expected a bit of enthusiasm from him last night, a bit of roar to try and get himself into the managers plans. What we got was the opposite.

I'd sooner watch Tulloch than him.
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Re: Oliver Burke
« Reply #983 on: August 14, 2019, 01:25:40 PM »
I've tried to defend the lad in the past, tried to focus on the good things about his game, but last night was the final straw for me.

He isn't a centre forward, and if we're talking out wide, he's behind Phillips, Perreira, Edwards, Diangana, and Willock for me.

He isn't going to make the most of himself, and it'll be all his fault. He'll be sat seeing out his contract with us, and then drift out of football imo.

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Re: Oliver Burke
« Reply #984 on: August 14, 2019, 01:30:57 PM »
Simply put, he’s not good enough.

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Re: Oliver Burke
« Reply #985 on: August 14, 2019, 01:41:45 PM »
I cannot see any development to his game from when he joined.

More worryingly, I cannot believe this football club sanctioned such a large amount of spending on him. That money could have been better utilised elsewhere.

He's not a very good footballer - he has little understanding of the game and his technical play is lacking too. He has a good physique but that alone is not good enough.

He's not good enough to play out wide - so we've tried him as a striker - unfortunately, he does not look very good there either.

I would have expected a bit of enthusiasm from him last night, a bit of roar to try and get himself into the managers plans. What we got was the opposite.

I'd sooner watch Tulloch than him.

Some of the transfer decisions made by Williams/Hammond/Pulis in that period are astounding.

Bought Burke for £15 and rejected bids of £25m for Jonny Evans (to sell him for £3m 12 months later) and rejected £32m for Rondon. Staggering really.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/08/30/arsenal-leicester-city-fail-25m-jonny-evans-bids-manchester/

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/01/31/west-brom-transfer-news-baggies-did-reject-chinese-big-money-offer-for-salomon-rondon/

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Re: Oliver Burke
« Reply #986 on: August 14, 2019, 02:25:18 PM »
A host of German clubs interested in him apparently

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/west-brom-attacker-the-subject-of-transfer-interest/

If that's the case I would let him go
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Re: Oliver Burke
« Reply #987 on: August 15, 2019, 02:01:08 PM »
A host of German clubs interested in him apparently

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/west-brom-attacker-the-subject-of-transfer-interest/

If that's the case I would let him go

lets hope they "scout" and carry out as much due diligence as we obviously did or he ay going nowhere.

Not even sure about lower division or Germany.  It's a real shame but looks more and more like a non-league footballer to me.  Seen and played with lots who were strong and pacey....didn't mean they were footballers. 

Further problem is that he doesn't even seem to like much about being a footballer.  Captain for the Scotland under 21's due to his experience, but didn't really mix with the squad?  Not sure what he's like with the Albion boys?

I was excited when he signed and really hoped he would succeed,  and I wish him all the best if he does get a move, but i just can't see it.


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« Reply #988 on: August 15, 2019, 02:28:18 PM »
In fairness to Burke he took up some good positions during the first half which gave him opportunities to run at them. I have no idea if this was by luck or design but he grew visibly frustrated when play slowed down to be passed around midfield again as these opportunities passed. I also noticed that almost every time Furlong pressed down the right he moved inside, as did Diandana on occasions when Townsend pressed on the other flank. Tactical shift to the centre in anticipation of a ball in or hiding in plain sight? Either way he was pretty much non existent when playing through the middle in the second half. His magic power is speed when breaking past as defenders turn, negate that and currently he's largely a waste of a place.
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Re: Oliver Burke
« Reply #989 on: August 15, 2019, 02:37:17 PM »
In fairness to Burke he took up some good positions during the first half which gave him opportunities to run at them. I have no idea if this was by luck or design but he grew visibly frustrated when play slowed down to be passed around midfield again as these opportunities passed. I also noticed that almost every time Furlong pressed down the right he moved inside, as did Diandana on occasions when Townsend pressed on the other flank. Tactical shift to the centre in anticipation of a ball in or hiding in plain sight? Either way he was pretty much non existent when playing through the middle in the second half. His magic power is speed when breaking past as defenders turn, negate that and currently he's largely a waste of a place.


If we defend deep and smack the ball long beyond the defenders with Burke within five yards of them he can be an asset. Other than that, nothing. He doesn't anticipate anything, doesn't read the game, has no instinct, his touch is loose, his technique on the ball is poor going on very poor. He doesn't win any headers, he doesn't know how to defend from the front, the most limited of CB's just stroll past him.

Cut our losses / write off our losses and move on.

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Re: Oliver Burke
« Reply #990 on: August 15, 2019, 03:44:09 PM »
Like to think I have decent idea on players after a while , I've still got no idea what Burke's best position is . Other than pace he's offering nothing up front , I'd be tempted to try him out wide again. Starting to feel a bit for him , maybe best if he did move on.
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Re: Oliver Burke
« Reply #991 on: August 15, 2019, 03:52:14 PM »
Usain Bolt is an amazing athlete and a half decent footballer but that couldn’t make him worth is contract with a good standard of football club, is OB in a similar situation????
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« Reply #992 on: August 15, 2019, 04:01:39 PM »
Tells you alot about Tony Pulis' insight into attacking players. We pay £15 million for this guy who only manages one goal since he's been with us, whilst Serge Gnabry who was here on loan, hardly got any game time under Pulis. Now he's established himself in Bayern Munich first team and the German national team.
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« Reply #993 on: August 15, 2019, 05:23:08 PM »
He needs to go to China or the MLS imo. He's a League 1 standard player at best. Can't believe we spunked £15m on the boy.
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« Reply #994 on: August 15, 2019, 05:46:49 PM »

If we defend deep and smack the ball long beyond the defenders with Burke within five yards of them he can be an asset. Other than that, nothing. He doesn't anticipate anything, doesn't read the game, has no instinct, his touch is loose, his technique on the ball is poor going on very poor. He doesn't win any headers, he doesn't know how to defend from the front, the most limited of CB's just stroll past him.

Cut our losses / write off our losses and move on.

You don't have to sit deep and smack long balls over the top to exploit Burke's pace. It can be played along the floor first time and at speed. Both Harper and Brunt had opportunities to do this on several occasions and for whatever reason chose not to.
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« Reply #995 on: August 16, 2019, 07:17:23 AM »

If we defend deep and smack the ball long beyond the defenders with Burke within five yards of them he can be an asset. Other than that, nothing. He doesn't anticipate anything, doesn't read the game, has no instinct, his touch is loose, his technique on the ball is poor going on very poor. He doesn't win any headers, he doesn't know how to defend from the front, the most limited of CB's just stroll past him.

Cut our losses / write off our losses and move on.

He hasn’t got a footballing brain nor a first touch though which is the issue. Not to mention desire or work ethic
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« Reply #996 on: August 16, 2019, 10:13:24 AM »
Think this is just a moot point now. It appears the one subject that we all agree on; whatever the question is, Burke is not the answer. may as well get him out on loan and cut our losses. There's no magic wand with this guy, whatever the reasons, he just doesn't cut it.
Shame because he was an exciting prospect. :(

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« Reply #997 on: August 16, 2019, 10:52:57 AM »
Tells you alot about Tony Pulis' insight into attacking players. We pay £15 million for this guy who only manages one goal since he's been with us, whilst Serge Gnabry who was here on loan, hardly got any game time under Pulis. Now he's established himself in Bayern Munich first team and the German national team.

Lets be fair, everything was wrong in 'Planet Pulis'.

The signing of Greg Krychowiak was another strange one. He never gave Gnarbry a chance and, having signed Burke, never really used him either........

I think there is a good footballer in Oliver to be honest, he just needs time and probably a loan to another club. 
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Re: Oliver Burke
« Reply #998 on: August 16, 2019, 10:56:22 AM »
Lets be fair, everything was wrong in 'Planet Pulis'.

The signing of Greg Krychowiak was another strange one. He never gave Gnarbry a chance and, having signed Burke, never really used him either........

I think there is a good footballer in Oliver to be honest, he just needs time and probably a loan to another club.

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« Reply #999 on: August 17, 2019, 07:22:40 PM »
Lets be fair, everything was wrong in 'Planet Pulis'.

The signing of Greg Krychowiak was another strange one. He never gave Gnarbry a chance and, having signed Burke, never really used him either........

I think there is a good footballer in Oliver to be honest, he just needs time and probably a loan to another club.

We should loan him to Bolton they have no players and pay his wage if he plays. He has barely played for 3/4 years he has regressed and needs regular football
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