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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #775 on: January 25, 2019, 12:06:52 AM »
I don’t get this negativity towards Moore with Burke and other younger players. Do people genuinely believe he would choose to not play them if he truely believed they were better just because they were young? That just seems daft to me. There must be a reason they aren’t getting the game time some fans feel they deserve and it can’t be a case of  favouritism all the time.

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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #776 on: January 25, 2019, 12:22:41 AM »
By persisting with brunt in a centre midfield role when he could have played field of Harper?
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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #777 on: January 25, 2019, 06:13:15 AM »
Burke quoted in local media saying he is happy at Celtic and is ‘now ready to give his all’. Maybe that was the problem - he was only willing to work hard enough if his place was already given to him rather than work hard to break into the team. I don’t like that quote.

Still, good luck to him. But two goals against the worst team in the league does not mean that he walks into our first team. JRod and Gayle would have scored six each!

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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #778 on: January 25, 2019, 09:02:08 AM »
I'm glad Olly Burke has gone to Celtic, he simply has to have 1st team football at his age.

I still say we have too many players on the books and that's compounded problems.  We added Sako, Mears, Hoolahan and neither has made an impact so far.

For all calling to have additions in the transfer window, I don't actually see we need to add numbers.  If the quality is not there than that's a different issue.

I think what frustrates Moore's critics is that we have too many verterans with young players waiting in the wings.  The club has lost the ability to release players past their sell-by date, instead being over-cautious IMO.


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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #779 on: January 25, 2019, 10:49:54 AM »
bet you a tenner they dont

I think I'm more hopeful than anything! 

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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #780 on: January 26, 2019, 02:10:31 PM »
Back on the bench today. Shame. Was hoping he’d get another start.

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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #781 on: January 30, 2019, 07:41:35 PM »
Matt Wilson Twitter account

“Oliver Burke starts up front for Celtic tonight. He's learning how to be a striker in Scotland, and that's the position Darren Moore is trying to convert him to #wba”
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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #782 on: January 30, 2019, 08:08:09 PM »
Matt Wilson Twitter account

“Oliver Burke starts up front for Celtic tonight. He's learning how to be a striker in Scotland, and that's the position Darren Moore is trying to convert him to #wba”

Should that not be 'That's the position Brendon Rodgers  is trying to convert him to'.

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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #783 on: January 30, 2019, 09:07:59 PM »
Should that not be 'That's the position Brendon Rodgers  is trying to convert him to'.

When our new technical director was keen to stress that there wasnt the option to buy in the loan I’d hazard a guess he’s also made sure to have some say in what Celtic could do for Mr Burke in the terms of the loan and how he’s used.

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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #784 on: January 30, 2019, 10:01:00 PM »
Played 68 minutes before being substituted in Cetic’s 2-0 win
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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #785 on: February 05, 2019, 06:17:32 PM »
Rejuvenated Oliver Burke had this to say about his Celtic future

Should we let him move on in the summer or should we hold on to him? Lots of variables involved in that question and the answer, no doubt

Source:  https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-celtic-oliver-burke-15781070
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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #786 on: February 05, 2019, 06:45:43 PM »
Personally i would look to sell him with a big sell on clause inserted.

We took a huge gamble when we signed him, he had only made about 15 starts i think at the time and we spent £12-£15m on him (i think £3m was clauses which i cant see we would had to of paid as we nor him have done anything since he joined) we basically brought potential. The germans are snapping up british talent at the moment and they gave up on him after less than a year and probably couldnt believe their luck when we made an offer.

We probably thought if it comes off then we could double our money on him being a young british talent,
Instead the potential is nowhere near being fulfilled and hasnt looked even remotely close to doing so, he has done nothing of note for us, he hasnt had a load of chances to be fair but even when he has there hasnt been a moment where you have thought 'ah, there is that potential'

Even this season with us dropping down a league he hasnt got in, he has now gone to play for the best club in scotland, i think if you put HRK up there he would get 30 goals a season, thats the standard.

It will probably do Burkes confidence good, If he is happy to stay there then i think the maximum we would get outright would be between £3m - £6m (depending how he does between now and the end of the season), i would take that and insert a big sell on clause just incase he does prove to be a star, however my gut instinct is the £3m - £6m is what we would end up with and just have to accept it was a gamble that backfired.

I hope i am wrong and he either comes back and is brilliant or goes on to be a star elsewhere, but i think he will still come unstuck when he faces better opposition if / when he moves on from scotland, quite simply because i dont think he is a particularly good footballer or has a football brain, i think he is a athlete who will be effective in poorer leagues, better players will suss him out.
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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #787 on: February 05, 2019, 06:49:44 PM »
If the Scots can afford £20 million then sell him if not they can train him up for us,thanks very much.

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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #788 on: February 05, 2019, 06:59:50 PM »
Haha it would take HRK about 5 seasons to get 30 goals even in the SPL.
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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #789 on: February 05, 2019, 07:52:04 PM »
He has been having little digs ever since he went up there.

- Darren Moore never spoke to him.
- nothing he could do was ever good enough
- finally got a manager who trusts him

You’d think he had hit 10 goals so far.  Not two against St Mirren.

I can see him throwing his toys out in the summer if he doesn’t get his move. 

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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #790 on: February 06, 2019, 12:56:04 PM »
He has been having little digs ever since he went up there.

- Darren Moore never spoke to him.
- nothing he could do was ever good enough
- finally got a manager who trusts him

You’d think he had hit 10 goals so far.  Not two against St Mirren.

I can see him throwing his toys out in the summer if he doesn’t get his move.

Well if what he's saying is true, I can see why he's annoyed. I'd be wanting to leave too.

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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #791 on: February 06, 2019, 01:13:55 PM »
Well if what he's saying is true, I can see why he's annoyed. I'd be wanting to leave too.


If I were DM, I'd be wanting him to leave too.

DM has put a ridiculous amount of time into him, for a very small return.

It's the £15 million price tag that's holding everybody back, just impossible to write that value off without giving it your best shot.
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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #792 on: February 06, 2019, 01:57:08 PM »
Just another example of how bad our club has been run recently.

I still don't think he will become the player many people believe he can. He just doesn't seem to have the footballing brain.

Someone like Burke should be having a field day in the Scottish league, with his pace and directness.

You only have to look at Scott Sinclairs time in Scotland compared to England to understand the levels aren't the same.

I would be looking to cut our losses with him in the summer, hopefully a successful loan spell at Celtic convinces someone to give us as much of the 15million back as possible.
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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #793 on: February 06, 2019, 02:26:06 PM »
He has been having little digs ever since he went up there.

- Darren Moore never spoke to him.
- nothing he could do was ever good enough
- finally got a manager who trusts him

You’d think he had hit 10 goals so far.  Not two against St Mirren.

I can see him throwing his toys out in the summer if he doesn’t get his move.
Let's hope Rodgers trusts him to the tune of £15m, come the summer, somehow I doubt it.

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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #794 on: February 06, 2019, 02:53:43 PM »
Well if what he's saying is true, I can see why he's annoyed. I'd be wanting to leave too.

Thats sort of my point. 'If' its true.

However I struggle to believe that Darren Moore, a man who has been involved in our youth set up, and a man who shook hands with every opposition player after a particular game, is so poor in man management that he hasn't spoken to him. Not speaking to a lad we spend 15m on when you only have 25-30 in a squad would be verging on incompetent.

I suspect its more that OB feels he has been due a chance and trust, whereas DM would probably say needs to earn it and I think his digs make him seem like he has a sense of entitlement.

 
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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #795 on: February 06, 2019, 04:55:04 PM »
I don't believe for one minute that Darren Moore never spoke to him, he is not that type of man he wouldn't ignore anyone.

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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #796 on: February 06, 2019, 10:12:42 PM »
Scored again for Celtic tonight.
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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #797 on: February 07, 2019, 12:40:34 AM »
I was only teasing when questioning the cleanliness of the men in hoops and those who follow them. A bit of teasing inevitably ensues when a Rangers fan marries into a family full of the heretics. 

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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #798 on: February 10, 2019, 03:50:01 PM »
Celtic 5-0 St Johnstone

Sinclair (3' minutes, 54' minutes, 89' minutes), Brown (9' minutes), Forrest (52' minutes)   

Scott Sinclair's first two goals were set up by Oliver Burke
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Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« Reply #799 on: February 10, 2019, 05:30:45 PM »
Celtic manager Brendan Rodgers has told BBC Sport that West Bromwich Albion-owned winger Oliver Burke was brilliant against St Johnstone this afternoon.

Good news for us
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