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Re: Sam Field
« Reply #500 on: February 21, 2019, 01:34:35 PM »
As i have said previous i am desperate for Field to do well, he is an Albion fan, seems a real decent lad and he also has a lot of potential / quality.

I have no doubt training with Barry will of helped him and thats fine to an extent but he has been doing that for 18 months now and i think he should of gone out and played somewhere else in that time and i think if Albion blocked loan moves for him they have messed up his development, especially last season where he barely played except for a 3 game spell in the Megson / Pardew handover.

It would seem from reports Pardew didnt treat him very well and i imagine that would of knocked his confidence, but i just think if we go up we will probably give Barry another year and probably sign another experienced midfielder to compete against him and i dont want Field to have another season where he only starts 5 or 6 league games maximum with the odd subs appearance.

I think he will need to be a regular in the championship before he possibly makes the step up to the premier league, as others have pointed out it is a specialist role and you need the match experience of playing in it so i hope next season that if we go up he has a season long loan to the championship, plays every week and then when he comes back he is ready to make the shirt his own. If we stay down i would assume he will get that chance with us.

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Re: Sam Field
« Reply #501 on: February 21, 2019, 01:47:23 PM »
As i have said previous i am desperate for Field to do well, he is an Albion fan, seems a real decent lad and he also has a lot of potential / quality.

I have no doubt training with Barry will of helped him and thats fine to an extent but he has been doing that for 18 months now and i think he should of gone out and played somewhere else in that time and i think if Albion blocked loan moves for him they have messed up his development, especially last season where he barely played except for a 3 game spell in the Megson / Pardew handover.

It would seem from reports Pardew didnt treat him very well and i imagine that would of knocked his confidence, but i just think if we go up we will probably give Barry another year and probably sign another experienced midfielder to compete against him and i dont want Field to have another season where he only starts 5 or 6 league games maximum with the odd subs appearance.

I think he will need to be a regular in the championship before he possibly makes the step up to the premier league, as others have pointed out it is a specialist role and you need the match experience of playing in it so i hope next season that if we go up he has a season long loan to the championship, plays every week and then when he comes back he is ready to make the shirt his own. If we stay down i would assume he will get that chance with us.

where you say "if Albion blocked loan moves for him" its well documented that Sam said he wanted to stay and fight for a place, only time will tell if that was a right stance by him.
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Re: Sam Field
« Reply #502 on: February 22, 2019, 09:25:47 AM »
I am so surprised there are so many that do not seem to rate field.

the regular comments i hear are "He always plays the safe ball", "Never passes Forwards".

anyone that knows anything about football surely knows that you need players like this in a team? i have never understood the negative view of passing "side-wards and backwards".  Obviously too many of these type of players is a no no but by doing this it allows us to keep the ball and build up play.

Think Field is a great prospect and when called upon has done his job well. He is never going to run and beat a player but what he is asked to do, he does well in my view.

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« Reply #503 on: February 22, 2019, 01:38:54 PM »
I am so surprised there are so many that do not seem to rate field.

the regular comments i hear are "He always plays the safe ball", "Never passes Forwards".

anyone that knows anything about football surely knows that you need players like this in a team? i have never understood the negative view of passing "side-wards and backwards".  Obviously too many of these type of players is a no no but by doing this it allows us to keep the ball and build up play.

Think Field is a great prospect and when called upon has done his job well. He is never going to run and beat a player but what he is asked to do, he does well in my view.

Jonathan Greening esque ?
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Re: Sam Field
« Reply #504 on: February 22, 2019, 02:04:44 PM »
Jonathan Greening esque ?

exactly that and the same comments were made about him. never understood it personally.

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« Reply #505 on: February 22, 2019, 05:40:09 PM »
exactly that and the same comments were made about him. never understood it personally.
I’m nothing against sideways passing in general, especially when it ensures that we remain in possession, and as the beginning of a process of attack. It’s when it’s used as a possession only reason, when one sideways pass leads to a procession of sidesway passes, and eventually back to the keeper. It all depends on the situation though. If we’re losing at the time, it can be frustrating to watch.
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Re: Sam Field
« Reply #506 on: March 14, 2019, 03:14:36 PM »
If Field wasn't injured last night then I think we may be coming to the end of the line with him. Big 9 matches ahead for him. If he doesn't break in under a new manager I'd expect him to start dropping down the leagues in the summer.
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Re: Sam Field
« Reply #507 on: March 14, 2019, 03:21:16 PM »
I disagree, Sam is just beginning. He's still only 20.  He needs games (in a row) to get that 'match fitness' in order to toughen up. His position is tough, you need to be physically and mentally strong. Outside of Brunt and Barry, he's our best passer in midfield at the moment (not that difficult I know) . He'd be a better 'quarterback' defensive-midfielder than  Livermore anyway (not saying much probably)! If he doesn't break into our team the rest of this season , I'd like to see him get a loan next year in the championship to get games.

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Re: Sam Field
« Reply #508 on: March 14, 2019, 03:46:39 PM »
He's a nearly player, played under 3 (and now 4) managers now and been on the fringe for a while but never quite makes it as a regular. All managers and coaches see him in training and none have deemed him good enough, must be a reason.....me personally I think he plays too safe, he looks scared and timid half the time and passes backwards and sidewards far too much, efforts there but quality? not sure
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« Reply #509 on: March 14, 2019, 03:58:46 PM »
He's a nearly player, played under 3 (and now 4) managers now and been on the fringe for a while but never quite makes it as a regular. All managers and coaches see him in training and none have deemed him good enough, must be a reason.....me personally I think he plays too safe, he looks scared and timid half the time and passes backwards and sidewards far too much, efforts there but quality? not sure


This is pretty much what I've said before. I think the quality IS there but he doesn't impose himself enough. He needs to grab games and assert himself a lot more than he does.

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Re: Sam Field
« Reply #510 on: March 14, 2019, 04:03:59 PM »
Perfect backup to Barry in that holding role, can pass a ball and can tackle.

Did well in the Prem under Pulis, like any youngster he was in and out but always around the side, Megson brought him back in and again he did well, then Pardew came and destroyed his confidence, Moore came in and messed around with him in a back 3, has been in recently and done well.

Yes he may play safe as does Barry, as does Brunt when he's not trying the wonder ball which rarely comes off. He's a kid learning the game and with someone like Barry around who better to learn that role from ?
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« Reply #511 on: March 14, 2019, 04:07:43 PM »
Perfect backup to Barry in that holding role, can pass a ball and can tackle.

Did well in the Prem under Pulis, like any youngster he was in and out but always around the side, Megson brought him back in and again he did well, then Pardew came and destroyed his confidence, Moore came in and messed around with him in a back 3, has been in recently and done well.

Yes he may play safe as does Barry, as does Brunt when he's not trying the wonder ball which rarely comes off. He's a kid learning the game and with someone like Barry around who better to learn that role from ?


All good points, personally though I think hes more likely to be playing for Walsall than West Brom in August 2020.
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Re: Sam Field
« Reply #512 on: March 14, 2019, 04:21:49 PM »

All good points, personally though I think hes more likely to be playing for Walsall than West Brom in August 2020.
Hes a good 'marketing tool' one of our own and all that but for me I agree, I just dont see it and if he wasn't a local lad nobody would bat an eyelid if he was sold.
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Re: Sam Field
« Reply #513 on: March 14, 2019, 04:22:27 PM »

All good points, personally though I think hes more likely to be playing for Walsall than West Brom in August 2020.

Doesn't surprise me as I would guess number 3 on your hitlist  ;)
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Re: Sam Field
« Reply #514 on: March 14, 2019, 09:03:07 PM »
Sam has been called up to England U20 squad

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Re: Sam Field
« Reply #515 on: March 15, 2019, 10:27:58 AM »
Sam has been called up to England U20 squad

Well done Sam

Pah! England coaches what do they know ??  Jacko says he is crap, therefore he is.
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Re: Sam Field
« Reply #516 on: March 15, 2019, 10:38:41 AM »
Pah! England coaches what do they know ??  Jacko says he is crap, therefore he is.

I do wish SF had gone out on loan like Dara has and learnt his trade by playing week in week out.
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Re: Sam Field
« Reply #517 on: March 15, 2019, 10:45:01 AM »
exactly that and the same comments were made about him. never understood it personally.
Right now he’s a long way off Greening. Greening was an excellent midfielder for us. His long range passing was good and his ability to create space for himself to get crosses in was also very good. Hope Sam makes it but he needs to step up in the next 12 months or so and show us what he’s capable of. I don’t think he’s had nearly enough game time to do that so far so if we’re not going to play him he needs to be loaned to a champ club and see how he develops. He’s going backwards with us as it stands.

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« Reply #518 on: March 15, 2019, 10:48:46 AM »
Pah! England coaches what do they know ??  Jacko says he is crap, therefore he is.
Same goes for Livermore too?  He was called up to the full England squad.  :P

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« Reply #519 on: March 15, 2019, 10:50:20 AM »
Same goes for Livermore too?  He was called up to the full England squad.  :P


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Re: Sam Field
« Reply #520 on: March 15, 2019, 07:18:34 PM »
I can see where Jacko is coming from in regards to Field. However, I really think before we can judge him, he needs to be loaned out to a lower championship team and see how he gets on. He's not good enough to warrant a regular starting spot at the moment but at 20, he will get better, stronger and fitter. He desperately needs first team football, unfortunately he is not far enough in his development for it to be us yet. 12-18 months could make a massive difference if he is playing regularly.

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« Reply #521 on: March 15, 2019, 07:44:06 PM »

All good points, personally though I think hes more likely to be playing for Walsall than West Brom in August 2020.

I have to agree with you.

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« Reply #522 on: March 15, 2019, 10:18:10 PM »
I can see where Jacko is coming from in regards to Field. However, I really think before we can judge him, he needs to be loaned out to a lower championship team and see how he gets on. He's not good enough to warrant a regular starting spot at the moment but at 20, he will get better, stronger and fitter. He desperately needs first team football, unfortunately he is not far enough in his development for it to be us yet. 12-18 months could make a massive difference if he is playing regularly.
Thing is who is good enough to warrant a regular midfield starting spot at the moment ? If Barry was 32 then yes most definitely. Brunt played well the other night but how will it go in a midfield 3 over a run of 10-12 games now ? Livermore, enough has been said. Johansen hasn't done anywhere near enough to convince and is only on loan. Harper is young, promising, capable of flashes of ability but lots to work on before he becomes a major influence on games.
For what it's worth in Aug 2020 Field will still be contracted to us and Walsall or similar won't be in a position to buy him....he'll be playing regularly for us anyway.
 

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« Reply #523 on: March 15, 2019, 10:31:08 PM »
Sam Field will come into his own in a possession driven outfit. His future will depend on our next appointment.

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« Reply #524 on: March 16, 2019, 12:15:20 PM »
Thing is who is good enough to warrant a regular midfield starting spot at the moment ? If Barry was 32 then yes most definitely. Brunt played well the other night but how will it go in a midfield 3 over a run of 10-12 games now ? Livermore, enough has been said. Johansen hasn't done anywhere near enough to convince and is only on loan. Harper is young, promising, capable of flashes of ability but lots to work on before he becomes a major influence on games.
For what it's worth in Aug 2020 Field will still be contracted to us and Walsall or similar won't be in a position to buy him....he'll be playing regularly for us anyway.

Barry, Harper Phillips, Brunt, Morrison and Johansen would all be ahead in the pecking order for me at the moment. Who starts would depend on the formation and tactics, I just don't think Field is quite ready yet based on what I have seen.