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« Reply #450 on: May 13, 2012, 09:08:45 AM »

Haha. Like they did 20 years later with the East Stand?  One thing I will say with The Hawthorns re-developement they certainly didnt plan ahead.  Cheap and cheerful.


Just a thought our maybe it wishfull thinking on my part.

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« Reply #451 on: May 13, 2012, 01:56:52 PM »
It's all purely speculation at the moment though, let's hope we get an official announcement soon!

i cannot emphasise enough its not speculation, it has been approved for completion in or by 2014!!
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« Reply #452 on: May 13, 2012, 02:01:54 PM »
i cannot emphasise enough its not speculation, it has been approved for completion in or by 2014!!

Maybe the Club have approved it internally , but it still needs planning permission, which is public process. That said, I'm not sure if there would be any serious objectors.
There would not be many residents or businesses affected.

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« Reply #453 on: May 13, 2012, 02:08:31 PM »
Building behind the existing stand is the only feasible way of doing it.  Its near impossible to simply build another tier onto whats already there.  There would have to be major work done to foundations that will have previously been designed to accommodate single tier loading.  The existing columns will not design for the extra load also.
 
I dont know but I suspect the road will be moved/shunted across, leaving the listed building intact which will be incorporated as either part of the stand or something else club related.  The existing roof taken off and a new structure built at the back of the existing stand with a new tier and roof built off new foundations and columns.

Kris, foundations for a second tier are already there. They were laid down when the current stand was erected.  In simple terms its just a case of banging another tier on top!! :D
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« Reply #454 on: May 13, 2012, 02:10:37 PM »
Maybe the Club have approved it internally , but it still needs planning permission, which is public process. That said, I'm not sure if there would be any serious objectors.
There would not be many residents or businesses affected.

It was approved by the council last week!
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« Reply #455 on: May 13, 2012, 05:40:27 PM »
need at least a thirty five thousand seater stadium to go with prem status, this would help the club in the long term with attracting players and fans

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« Reply #456 on: May 13, 2012, 05:47:36 PM »
need at least a thirty five thousand seater stadium to go with prem status, this would help the club in the long term with attracting players and fans
It will only help if its full every week.Not much fun in playing in a stadium only 2/3rds full.

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« Reply #457 on: May 13, 2012, 05:53:10 PM »
I'm not sure whether I think we should expand to 30 thousand or go further to 35 thousand, but the argument that having a bigger stadium will help attract players is simply nonsense.

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« Reply #458 on: May 13, 2012, 06:32:47 PM »
Kris, foundations for a second tier are already there. They were laid down when the current stand was erected.  In simple terms its just a case of banging another tier on top!! :D

I asked if that could have been the case in a earlier post, how sure are you 100% dinkydave.

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Re: Stadium Expansion
« Reply #459 on: May 13, 2012, 06:35:08 PM »
Kris, foundations for a second tier are already there. They were laid down when the current stand was erected.  In simple terms its just a case of banging another tier on top!! :D

What back in 1980 or whenever it was?  I'll will be genuinely amazed if our club, who are notorious in cutting corners, had the foresight back then to do that.  If they did then brilliant but like I said I will be shocked.
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« Reply #460 on: May 13, 2012, 09:59:23 PM »
It will only help if its full every week.Not much fun in playing in a stadium only 2/3rds full.
need to change the prices for tickets then, those at the top need to be thinking for the long term future of this club.if peace in the future wants to sell the club the assets like a larger stadium would be a plus

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« Reply #461 on: May 13, 2012, 10:02:56 PM »
need to change the prices for tickets then, those at the top need to be thinking for the long term future of this club.if peace in the future wants to sell the club the assets like a larger stadium would be a plus

think they have already started to do that!... a huge sleeping fanbase out there for WBA. I can remember when we used to get 35k in no problem and going back before that up to 45k. this is a bigger club than many are too young to have seen

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« Reply #462 on: May 13, 2012, 11:25:20 PM »

What back in 1980 or whenever it was?  I'll will be genuinely amazed if our club, who are notorious in cutting corners, had the foresight back then to do that.  If they did then brilliant but like I said I will be shocked.

I think the adjustments and foundations were probably made during the refurbishment of the Halfords Lane stand a few years ago. It didn't seem to make any sense back then, but it would now if all they have to do is pop another tier on.

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« Reply #463 on: May 14, 2012, 02:26:09 AM »
From the stats I've seen I thought we never really pushed 30000 even in the 70s and early 80s?
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« Reply #464 on: May 14, 2012, 06:27:47 AM »
Ive been there when you were that crammed in that you could only just about get your hands up to pick your nose.
Back in the 60/70's there was no electronic counting in like there is today, you had a bloke on a turnstile with a bag of cash, how many of the older guys have been there when two of you have squashed into the turnstile and gave the operator 7s 6d (37p) instead of ten bob (50p).
The turnstile operator used to pocket 2s 6d, so two people got in but only one recorder.
If I remember there was a police raid on the turnstiles once because of this very issue, loads of the operators were arrested.
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« Reply #465 on: May 14, 2012, 07:21:33 AM »
Ive been there when you were that crammed in that you could only just about get your hands up to pick your nose.
Back in the 60/70's there was no electronic counting in like there is today, you had a bloke on a turnstile with a bag of cash, how many of the older guys have been there when two of you have squashed into the turnstile and gave the operator 7s 6d (37p) instead of ten bob (50p).
The turnstile operator used to pocket 2s 6d, so two people got in but only one recorder.
If I remember there was a police raid on the turnstiles once because of this very issue, loads of the operators were arrested.
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« Reply #466 on: May 14, 2012, 07:54:16 AM »
From the stats I've seen I thought we never really pushed 30000 even in the 70s and early 80s?

You may well be right about the 80's but a little bit out in the late 70's.

As other posters said in the 60's & then 70's our max was 45,000. When you knew we had a full house the Express & Star and Sports Argus would say estimated attendance 25,000?
When you went regular you could usually guess the REAL attendance. I would say to my self after reading est 25,000 'could we get another 20,000 in the ground?' the answer was of course no! We all felt it was to do with tax?

Early 70;s we played Ipswich on a bank holiday Monday. It said our attendance was est 12,000! (if true there were more on Dudley Zoo that day) Impossible but that was what it was like in those days.

The Legend team of late 70's we had so many games, were not only the Brummie Road was packed so you couldn't move but the rest of the ground was full, no seats vacant Smethwick packed and yet est attendance 25,000ish???

When we beat Man Utd 6-3 in 68. People where on the roof, up to the touch line around the pitch and hundreds on the floodlight pylons. Est attendance 45,000! I kid you not there must have been 70,000!

I know things are different now. As one person said I can remember, when I was a kid, squeezing in with my mate through the turnstile and the man pocketing the money or infact, once hearing you didn't have enough money would let you for free.
I also remember that they would open the gates about 30 Min's after k.o for anyone who would want to leave & sometimes because my pocket money had run out I would wait and see 60 Min's, better than seeing nothing!

The Woodman was also a great place to climb into the ground. The toilets were outside so easy to get over wall.
I only did these things when broke. I always wanted to give my money to the club!  ;)

To compare costs today. When I started as a apprentice at the Bean in Tipton, my first wage was £5 -13 shillings and 9 pence (about £5.65 now) My mum, God bless her said I could keep my first wage. We got payed on the Friday, I was 15, on the Saturday we played away at Blackpool.
With my first wage, I payed for my coach (Kendricks Coaches from Tipton) to Blackpool. Payed into the ground, had food & a few beers (I know?) bought a packet of Players No.6. & went on the fun fair! I came home with money left! :D

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« Reply #467 on: May 14, 2012, 10:14:42 AM »
I asked if that could have been the case in a earlier post, how sure are you 100% dinkydave.

anyone who's been on a stadium tour could tell you the same thing! :D

dont know the whys and wherefores but apparently the foundations were laid to cope with a two tier stand when it was orignally erected. at least this is what i was told!!
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« Reply #468 on: May 14, 2012, 11:01:07 AM »
anyone who's been on a stadium tour could tell you the same thing! :D

dont know the whys and wherefores but apparently the foundations were laid to cope with a two tier stand when it was orignally erected. at least this is what i was told!!

Thanks for helping clear that up dinkydave

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« Reply #469 on: May 16, 2012, 09:46:07 PM »
It was approved by the council last week!

Not sure where you get your information from. I phoned up Sandwell Council today and was told no recent planning application has been received.

As I said earlier, I assume this was the Club's architects which have been in to speak to officers informally and been given the nod in principle. But it still needs planning permission, which is when it goes public.

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« Reply #470 on: May 18, 2012, 01:32:06 AM »
I'd love to claim this is something I saw while sneaking around the hawthorns but in reality its just something I knocked up while bored at University



Sort of shows how the existing can and would be integrated into the new design.

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« Reply #471 on: May 18, 2012, 02:22:59 AM »
I'd love to claim this is something I saw while sneaking around the hawthorns but in reality its just something I knocked up while bored at University



Sort of shows how the existing can and would be integrated into the new design.

Nice effort, but that wouldn't stand up. Any plans will involve building back onto the existing road.
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« Reply #472 on: May 18, 2012, 06:49:38 AM »
I reckon it would stand up. Time for scale modelling.
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« Reply #473 on: May 18, 2012, 11:04:52 AM »
I believe it would stand, it is exactly what they did at Old Trafford but even bigger.
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« Reply #474 on: May 18, 2012, 12:02:47 PM »
From the stats I've seen I thought we never really pushed 30000 even in the 70s and early 80s?

I remember the official attendance being 42000+ for a cup game in about 77 -  couldn't move in the Brummie, frightening squash at half time when people tried to go to the bogs, remember a girl having a panic attack being passed overhead to get her out - girls were quite rare then everyone helped!