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Offline LiamTheBaggie

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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #50 on: December 21, 2015, 09:55:14 PM »
I may of missed something but where has it been confirmed that Pulis most definitely wants him out? Because I've seen nothing which suggests that at all.

The last twelve months is pretty damning evidence in my view.
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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #51 on: December 22, 2015, 11:05:31 AM »
If I was a right winger and Craig Gardner was preferred to me, I would consider my future limited.

Agreed.

Feel sorry for the lad, every time I have seen him, he has impressed me. Surely we have enough central defenders in the side to cover the defensive aspects to enable McManaman to take the game to the opposition? Not according to our Mr. Pulis.

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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #52 on: December 22, 2015, 11:42:16 AM »
Poor full backs need protecting which is why we use workhorses like Gardner and McLean in the wide areas.

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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #53 on: December 29, 2015, 12:02:46 PM »
Got it on good authority from a few of the Liverpool lads up here that know McManaman, he has had a big falling out with Pulis, hardly spoken for 2 or 3 months and certain to leave in January.
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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #54 on: December 29, 2015, 12:05:45 PM »
Got it on good authority from a few of the Liverpool lads up here that know McManaman, he has had a big falling out with Pulis, hardly spoken for 2 or 3 months and certain to leave in January.

FFS. I know we don't know the detail but its so frustrating when something like that damages an absolutely enormous financial outlay for our club when we really need to get value for every penny spent.

Plus, he's an exciting player. Wonder if the same happened with Varela when he arrived, with Poco and Gamboa. For me, poco and Varela were playing well and I could never understand why both of them were immediately discarded.

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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #55 on: December 29, 2015, 12:10:47 PM »
Pulis did hang him out to dry when he was accused of diving. I don't know if that was has been the reason for their relationship breaking down or that he isn't disciplined enough for example. Massive waste of money on him and Chester which ever way you look at it.

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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #56 on: December 29, 2015, 02:50:57 PM »
My take is he wasn't snapped up by another premier league club before we brought him here so there might be something there we don't see e.g. attitude, character, lack of application??

He's not shown enough end product at Wigan or us to show me he's as good as some think - anyone  who isn't happy , we should get rid because especially a fringe player.

Some signings work others don't , we've had players who looked world beaters but who didn't click elsewhere e.g. Curtis Davis, Joe Kamara to name two.

I'm not that bothered about him either way to be honest

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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #57 on: December 29, 2015, 02:59:07 PM »
My take is he wasn't snapped up by another premier league club before we brought him here so there might be something there we don't see e.g. attitude, character, lack of application??

He's not shown enough end product at Wigan or us to show me he's as good as some think - anyone  who isn't happy , we should get rid because especially a fringe player.

Some signings work others don't , we've had players who looked world beaters but who didn't click elsewhere e.g. Curtis Davis, Joe Kamara to name two.

I'm not that bothered about him either way to be honest
Fitness.

He proved at Wigan that he could barely play past 60 minutes in the championship, before being subbed off. It's been no different here, even when he was playing it was always limited. I think it was very naive of West Brom to buy him with this in mind. It wasn't an unknown issue, it was very clear and he wasn't too cheap either. If we could get around £3 million for him then it would be decent.
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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #58 on: December 29, 2015, 05:52:47 PM »
Fitness.

He proved at Wigan that he could barely play past 60 minutes in the championship, before being subbed off. It's been no different here, even when he was playing it was always limited. I think it was very naive of West Brom to buy him with this in mind. It wasn't an unknown issue, it was very clear and he wasn't too cheap either. If we could get around £3 million for him then it would be decent.

I'm not so sure it's as simple as that. Unless you are prepared to double up as a second full back then Pulis isn't interested. He's perhaps not good enough or disciplined enough defensively to do a job for Pulis. A shame really as he always looks like he can open teams up.

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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #59 on: December 29, 2015, 05:58:14 PM »
I'm not so sure it's as simple as that. Unless you are prepared to double up as a second full back then Pulis isn't interested. He's perhaps not good enough or disciplined enough defensively to do a job for Pulis. A shame really as he always looks like he can open teams up.

But surely he knew that (or should have known that) before he signed him?

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« Reply #60 on: December 29, 2015, 06:07:49 PM »
But surely he knew that (or should have known that) before he signed him?

Perhaps not. Maybe he thought he could get more out of him and hasn't been able to. The same could be said for Gnabry and Chester. If we had some decent full backs then maybe we could let our wingers concentrate on getting forward a bit more.

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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2015, 06:13:28 PM »
Perhaps not. Maybe he thought he could get more out of him and hasn't been able to. The same could be said for Gnabry and Chester. If we had some decent full backs then maybe we could let our wingers concentrate on getting forward a bit more.

Not sure about that.  Pulis knew who our full backs were and what was needed.  Point taken though that if Chester had dislodged Dawson then it might have resulted in less tracking back needed.

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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #62 on: December 31, 2015, 02:05:49 PM »
Oh my god this square pegs in round holes is ridiculous, why the fooook can't the powers that be get in two fullbacks that TP will play?

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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #63 on: December 31, 2015, 02:29:09 PM »
McManaman falling out of favour has nothing to do with who he is playing front of. Pulis may never sign or play a specialist full back. His midfield drops deep when out of possession and it drops deep as a unit, if tracking back is at the heart of the issue (I don't think it is) then you have to assume that Sessegnon is better and although improved this not an aspect of his game I would want to rely on.
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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #64 on: January 04, 2016, 05:43:56 PM »
Derby bought a striker/winger from abroad so probably won't be in for him now.  Not wishing to insult the "ITK" posters, but I would take the fall out with Pulis thing with a pinch of salt, he (Pulis) doesn't seem to allow such things to fester, and he is the "grown up" in the relationship.

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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #65 on: January 09, 2016, 07:22:31 PM »
CMac is what he is a typical winger however you need more to be a regular starter for any Premier League Team hes got a great final ball and tricky pace when attacking proberbly one of our best however he just cannot offer any type of protection to our 'full backs' or even proper fullbacks if we had them.

He needs to wake up and smell the coffee and work on that side of his game because he would develop into one cracking player if he did.
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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #66 on: January 09, 2016, 07:47:57 PM »
CMac is what he is a typical winger however you need more to be a regular starter for any Premier League Team hes got a great final ball and tricky pace when attacking proberbly one of our best however he just cannot offer any type of protection to our 'full backs' or even proper fullbacks if we had them.

He needs to wake up and smell the coffee and work on that side of his game because he would develop into one cracking player if he did.

Play proper full backs and you don't need constant protection, McManaman is far superior to McLean in everything, other than tracking back.
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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #67 on: January 09, 2016, 08:08:03 PM »
I dont agree at all with that watch any team at our level in the Premier League and they have hard working wingers.
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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #68 on: January 09, 2016, 08:15:17 PM »
I dont agree at all with that watch any team at our level in the Premier League and they have hard working wingers.

And I don't agree with you, I don't see wingers in many other premier league sides expected to offer such protection to full backs.

Hard working maybe, but that doesn't mean they track back at every opportunity.
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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #69 on: January 09, 2016, 09:54:58 PM »
Just look at what Sess does on the other side thats what CMac should be doing but he doesnt.

No one even Pulis suggests they should track back at every opportunity however they need to be close to the fullback when defending (attack as a two and defend as a two) its why Neville and Beckham were so successful.
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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #70 on: January 09, 2016, 10:05:37 PM »
Just look at what Sess does on the other side thats what CMac should be doing but he doesnt.

No one even Pulis suggests they should track back at every opportunity however they need to be close to the fullback when defending (attack as a two and defend as a two) its why Neville and Beckham were so successful.

We will have to agree to disagree.

I cannot see the point of having the likes of Sess lay a ball to an overlapping Dawson, Chester etc who are incapable of beating a full back or providing a decent cross.

In the first half today, Rondon received most balls when out wide left, surely that is the position McLean should be taking up, instead he was thirty yards behind holding Brunts hand.
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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #71 on: January 13, 2016, 07:30:34 PM »
According to reports Bournemouth have made an enquiry for McManaman  with us wanting a sizable return on what we paid

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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #72 on: January 16, 2016, 11:17:02 PM »
The very reliable John Percy has said we want SEVEN MILLION for Callum with QPR, Middlesbrough and Bournmouth interested. Incredible.
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Re: WBA - Calum McManaman
« Reply #74 on: January 16, 2016, 11:26:42 PM »
The very reliable John Percy has said we want SEVEN MILLION for Callum with QPR, Middlesbrough and Bournmouth interested. Incredible.

Would probably be worth that much if he played regularly for someone.
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