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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4375 on: June 15, 2019, 06:29:34 PM »
Nothing personal against Rondon, I just see him in the same light you see Anelka and Adebayor (I couldn't find a link re his strike and that is why I asked you for your link of it please?).

You have have explained 2 of his moves, not the rest.

I then asked you about his others where you haven't explained his mercenary actions. You said he moved from kazan to zenit because they were bigger, but you accept he would move to Bournemouth too, so moving to the bigger club argument has little weight, don't you agree?

Why is he any different to the other two you mentioned other than that you have read about their more high profile bigger club players more?

They want higher wages, so does he, so please explain the difference between Anelka and Adebayor and Rondon.

Carlos Kickaball was name coined by Alan Sugar for mercanary players a few years ago.

I think I have gone on about his previous moves more than once, maybe you failed to see those comments or chose to ignore them.

Not sure where I said he left one Russian club for another because they were bigger but I did say "I have no idea why he left Rubin Kazan but his club received more money than they paid for him"

Also you keep banging on about Bournemouth and again I quote what I actually said previously "At this stage I couldn't complain if anyone joined Bournemouth over us, they are a Prem club establishing themselves each year whereas we didn't build on what we had."

Again, did you give this much stick to Foster or is just Rondon you have issues with ?

Also there is plenty to find about Anelka and Adebayor if you look.
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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4376 on: June 15, 2019, 07:22:48 PM »
Good luck to Salomon Rondon and Venezuela, who begin their Copa America 2019 campaign against Peru this evening.
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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4377 on: June 15, 2019, 07:32:51 PM »
Roma are targeting Salomon Rondon to replace Edin Dzeko this summer.

Source: https://readwestbrom.com/2019/06/14/roma-target-rondon-to-replace-dzeko/?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true
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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4378 on: June 15, 2019, 10:12:11 PM »
Good luck to Salomon Rondon and Venezuela, who begin their Copa America 2019 campaign against Peru this evening.

Stuff him and Venezuela.
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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4379 on: June 15, 2019, 10:50:44 PM »
Good luck to Salomon Rondon and Venezuela, who begin their Copa America 2019 campaign against Peru this evening.
why? I've got no loyalty to either and really couldn't care less about either.

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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4380 on: June 16, 2019, 03:25:14 AM »
I would like to echo Albionfans good luck to Sal and Venezuela.
Sal has done no wrong in my eyes and I hope he scores goals and guarantees that we get 16m for him!
Also the people of Venezuela need some light in their lives and if a cup run brings this - great
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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4381 on: June 16, 2019, 09:11:20 AM »
I would like to echo Albionfans good luck to Sal and Venezuela.
Sal has done no wrong in my eyes and I hope he scores goals and guarantees that we get 16m for him!
Also the people of Venezuela need some light in their lives and if a cup run brings this - great

Very well said and put. But some are to shortsighted to see these points
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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4382 on: June 16, 2019, 10:14:19 AM »
Stuff him and Venezuela.

Completely agree, shame the clubs official Twitter feed don't follow the same mindset.

Not sure what it is with Albion fans, way to much sentiment shown. Rondon was a big part of the reason why we got relegated. 24 goals in three years was in no way shape or form good enough and no amount of hard work and running around in circles changes that fact.

I don't recall Rondon wishing Albion good look at any point last season.

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« Reply #4383 on: June 16, 2019, 10:48:05 AM »
They want higher wages, so does he, so please explain the difference between Anelka and Adebayor and Rondon.

2 of them played for Real Madrid?

Supporters of this club have and will always blindly follow some players and chastise others no matter what. Rondon is just one of a number of players in recent times who has received completely unjust criticism.

Gareth Barry when he signed was going to be our Michael Carrick. His legs hadn't gone because he averaged some of the most miles per game recorded by someone the prior season. He was rubbish from the get go and his legs had gone and there was no pace there. Yet some people watched someone totally different to me... and I was fobbed off.

There are players who will always divide fans and ultimately you just have to accept a difference of opinion. Rondon does not fall into that category however and you only have to refer to how well so many different pundits spoke about him last season to realise this. Anyone who fails to appreciate his quality as a footballer simply has an agenda.

For those who say about him not declaring his undying love for the Albion, he's always come across as a very professional and private bloke who stays well out of the press. Total opposite of Ben Foster.

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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4384 on: June 16, 2019, 10:51:33 AM »
Stuff him and Venezuela.

 ???
Surly even you can see if he plays well & scores goals it helps his price rise.

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« Reply #4385 on: June 16, 2019, 11:26:49 AM »
???
Surly even you can see if he plays well & scores goals it helps his price rise.
Just as long as he doesn't get injured

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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4386 on: June 16, 2019, 12:04:53 PM »
Completely agree, shame the clubs official Twitter feed don't follow the same mindset.

Not sure what it is with Albion fans, way to much sentiment shown. Rondon was a big part of the reason why we got relegated. 24 goals in three years was in no way shape or form good enough and no amount of hard work and running around in circles changes that fact.

I don't recall Rondon wishing Albion good look at any point last season.


Exactly this. He amongst others contributed a significant amount in us getting relegated . Poor striker , sell him and move on.

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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4387 on: June 16, 2019, 05:12:48 PM »
???
Surly even you can see if he plays well & scores goals it helps his price rise.
Of course I can.
All I want is our club to do well out of his sale.
I'm not really bothered how well he or Venezuela do to be honest.
If he had any real allegiance to us he could of stayed last year, albeit on reduced wages.
Reducing his wages by 50% isn't like reducing our wages by 50%. A reduction like that on our wages would make a difference to our way of life. It wouldn't to him.
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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4388 on: June 16, 2019, 05:13:50 PM »
RONDON IS NOT SUBJECT TO A WAGE FLEXDOWN!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #4389 on: June 16, 2019, 05:16:39 PM »
RONDON IS NOT SUBJECT TO A WAGE FLEXDOWN!!!!!!!!!

Even more reason for him not to jump ship then
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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4390 on: June 16, 2019, 05:36:00 PM »
Even more reason for him not to jump ship then

We need him gone just as much as he wants to go, £70k a week or so would give us another 4 or 5 players in this league
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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4391 on: June 16, 2019, 11:29:02 PM »
All of this talk about Rondon playing for us in the Championship is reduntant. Neither party want this.

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« Reply #4392 on: June 17, 2019, 04:15:44 PM »
I think I have gone on about his previous moves more than once, maybe you failed to see those comments or chose to ignore them.

Not sure where I said he left one Russian club for another because they were bigger but I did say "I have no idea why he left Rubin Kazan but his club received more money than they paid for him"

Also you keep banging on about Bournemouth and again I quote what I actually said previously "At this stage I couldn't complain if anyone joined Bournemouth over us, they are a Prem club establishing themselves each year whereas we didn't build on what we had."

Again, did you give this much stick to Foster or is just Rondon you have issues with ?

Also there is plenty to find about Anelka and Adebayor if you look.

You stated Zenit was possibly a step up as they are big club, to which I countered he'd move to Bournemouth if it meant he got paid more. I said Bournemouth because I don't think the size of the club comes in the equation with him, only the size of his pay. Bournemouth were not mentioned in any other context.

Yes, I did give this much stick to Foster and the rubbish he spouted about his kids supported Albion etc, etc.

Indeed, there is plenty to find about Anelka and Adebayor. However, there is nothing to support what you say about the latter going on strike and refusing to go on tour at Spurs, that is why I ask you for a link please?

I could see your argument (though not agree with it) if you were saying no footballer should be classed as a mercenary as they are trying to better themselves, but you obviously don't believe this as you named two that you see as mercenaries.

My assertion, again, is there is no difference between the two you have name and Rondon.

Furthermore, I thought it was obvious that me mentioning the conduct of Delph (he could have increased his signing on fee by in theory the £8.5m paid in a fee to vile) and Collins (could have done a sick vic and just taken the money instead of ripping up the contract he signed at vile, were sufficient examples of players who have done more than just turned down bigger wages elsewhere. I would contend there are lots more who don't put money first and stay loyal and don't want to uprooting their family etc, etc.

If we had gone up would you have welcomed Rondon back, even though he'd done absolutely nothing to help us to get us out of the mess he'd helped put us in when were relegated?

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« Reply #4393 on: June 17, 2019, 04:47:56 PM »
You stated Zenit was possibly a step up as they are big club, to which I countered he'd move to Bournemouth if it meant he got paid more. I said Bournemouth because I don't think the size of the club comes in the equation with him, only the size of his pay. Bournemouth were not mentioned in any other context.

Yes, I did give this much stick to Foster and the rubbish he spouted about his kids supported Albion etc, etc.

Indeed, there is plenty to find about Anelka and Adebayor. However, there is nothing to support what you say about the latter going on strike and refusing to go on tour at Spurs, that is why I ask you for a link please?

I could see your argument (though not agree with it) if you were saying no footballer should be classed as a mercenary as they are trying to better themselves, but you obviously don't believe this as you named two that you see as mercenaries.

My assertion, again, is there is no difference between the two you have name and Rondon.

Furthermore, I thought it was obvious that me mentioning the conduct of Delph (he could have increased his signing on fee by in theory the £8.5m paid in a fee to vile) and Collins (could have done a sick vic and just taken the money instead of ripping up the contract he signed at vile, were sufficient examples of players who have done more than just turned down bigger wages elsewhere. I would contend there are lots more who don't put money first and stay loyal and don't want to uprooting their family etc, etc.

If we had gone up would you have welcomed Rondon back, even though he'd done absolutely nothing to help us to get us out of the mess he'd helped put us in when were relegated?

I am intrigued as to why it is only my comments you seem to have an issue with, maybe something deeper there than just Rondon ?

He left Malaga as explained to join Rubin, he left those I have no idea why possibly step up as Zenit are a big club is what I posted which also implies I have no idea. I also have no idea if Zenit are a bigger club as I know nothing about Russian football. Maybe his club received an offer and accepted it or are you implying he forced the move there as well ?

Again, re: Bournemouth I posted "At this stage I couldn't complain if anyone joined Bournemouth over us, they are a Prem club establishing themselves each year whereas we didn't build on what we had.", the key thing there is Premier League club, we are not. I have no idea if Bournemouth pay better wages but they are a Premier League club and has been explained to you previously by others which again you seemed to gloss offer, he doesn't appear to have a wage reduction clause.

Would I welcome him back? not my decision so I don't get worked up either way? if he's here, he's here, if not he's not.

There are links around for other players if you look deep enough for them.

Do you not accept that the club wanted him out just as much as they need the wages off the bill and given his contract situation its in our interest just as much to let him go?

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« Reply #4394 on: June 17, 2019, 05:30:10 PM »
I am intrigued as to why it is only my comments you seem to have an issue with, maybe something deeper there than just Rondon ?

He left Malaga as explained to join Rubin, he left those I have no idea why possibly step up as Zenit are a big club is what I posted which also implies I have no idea. I also have no idea if Zenit are a bigger club as I know nothing about Russian football. Maybe his club received an offer and accepted it or are you implying he forced the move there as well ?

Again, re: Bournemouth I posted "At this stage I couldn't complain if anyone joined Bournemouth over us, they are a Prem club establishing themselves each year whereas we didn't build on what we had.", the key thing there is Premier League club, we are not. I have no idea if Bournemouth pay better wages but they are a Premier League club and has been explained to you previously by others which again you seemed to gloss offer, he doesn't appear to have a wage reduction clause.

Would I welcome him back? not my decision so I don't get worked up either way? if he's here, he's here, if not he's not.

There are links around for other players if you look deep enough for them.

Do you not accept that the club wanted him out just as much as they need the wages off the bill and given his contract situation its in our interest just as much to let him go?

I don't have the time to read every comment on here, and if some say you don't know anything if you don't think Rondon is a good player, what is the point in engaging with that person.

I have no idea what could be "deeper" than Rondon as I certainly haven't got an issue with you and we agreed a while back about Talksport being out of order when we were accused of racism and how they themselves had very few if any black presenters however, I don't agree with you on Rondon, and believe he is a footballing mercenary.

I provided the link which stated EVERY player had a flex down and to counter that 4 were allowed to leave because they had relegation with a set figure in them.

I don't think an unknown quantity, in prem terms, like Rondon was when we signed him could get JP to change his habits of a lifetime. If Jonny Evans, established prem player coming from a top prem club couldn't get full pay in tier 2, there is no way Rondon would have got it.

I believe there was a flex down clause, as has been with every player signed under JP, and I believe that him training alone suggests he played up behind the scenes to get out to maintain his £70k salary.

Furthermore, I cannot find anything to confirm EA went on strike, so he is no different from SR.
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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4395 on: June 17, 2019, 06:15:33 PM »
I don't have the time to read every comment on here, and if some say you don't know anything if you don't think Rondon is a good player, what is the point in engaging with that person.

I have no idea what could be "deeper" than Rondon as I certainly haven't got an issue with you and we agreed a while back about Talksport being out of order when we were accused of racism and how they themselves had very few if any black presenters however, I don't agree with you on Rondon, and believe he is a footballing mercenary.

I provided the link which stated EVERY player had a flex down and to counter that 4 were allowed to leave because they had relegation with a set figure in them.

I don't think an unknown quantity, in prem terms, like Rondon was when we signed him could get JP to change his habits of a lifetime. If Jonny Evans, established prem player coming from a top prem club couldn't get full pay in tier 2, there is no way Rondon would have got it.

I believe there was a flex down clause, as has been with every player signed under JP, and I believe that him training alone suggests he played up behind the scenes to get out to maintain his £70k salary.

Furthermore, I cannot find anything to confirm EA went on strike, so he is no different from SR.


There have been comments from others in this thread stating Rondon does not have a flexdown so who knows if he does or doesn't but fact is he and others are still here because no-one met their release clauses. Also for the sake of repeating myself and boring everyone further with others there were plenty of reports that they were paying up, Dawson, Chadli amongst them and also Foster but nothing about Rondon and your link again states the club put him on a programme and he also figured in friendlies so hardly the actions of someone refusing to do something and again things have a habit of coming out of the club, in fact it was from inside that the Foster stories about him wanting out originated not the press.

Aren't all non UK players unknown quantites in prem terms though ? to sign him when we did was considered a bit of a coup at the time and we only got him due to new rules in Russia limiting the number of foreign players.
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« Reply #4396 on: June 18, 2019, 04:14:01 PM »

There have been comments from others in this thread stating Rondon does not have a flexdown so who knows if he does or doesn't but fact is he and others are still here because no-one met their release clauses. Also for the sake of repeating myself and boring everyone further with others there were plenty of reports that they were paying up, Dawson, Chadli amongst them and also Foster but nothing about Rondon and your link again states the club put him on a programme and he also figured in friendlies so hardly the actions of someone refusing to do something and again things have a habit of coming out of the club, in fact it was from inside that the Foster stories about him wanting out originated not the press.

Aren't all non UK players unknown quantites in prem terms though ? to sign him when we did was considered a bit of a coup at the time and we only got him due to new rules in Russia limiting the number of foreign players.

They are unknown quanties and better players than him have failed in the prem, that is why I don't think JP would have given him a long contract without a flexdown, as (heaven fordid) if we had a dinglesque demise to the third tier there is no way he would have allowed him to get £70k there. So if he was injury prone like sick vic or mozza and you couldn't attract a bid for him we'd be paying £70k in tier 3? No chance Peace would have agreed that.

I didn't say he refused to do anything. I think he asked to leave as per his relegation clause and couldn't be persuaded to stay (like Jrod and Gibbs) and then the club had no choice but to let him leave. That's what I read into him training alone.

I think you said he could have been training alone to prevent him getting injured, but then you said he played in the friendlies, which contradicts that.

When he writes his poundland destined autobiography we'll maybe find out the truth.


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« Reply #4397 on: June 18, 2019, 05:12:23 PM »
They are unknown quanties and better players than him have failed in the prem, that is why I don't think JP would have given him a long contract without a flexdown, as (heaven fordid) if we had a dinglesque demise to the third tier there is no way he would have allowed him to get £70k there. So if he was injury prone like sick vic or mozza and you couldn't attract a bid for him we'd be paying £70k in tier 3? No chance Peace would have agreed that.

I didn't say he refused to do anything. I think he asked to leave as per his relegation clause and couldn't be persuaded to stay (like Jrod and Gibbs) and then the club had no choice but to let him leave. That's what I read into him training alone.

I think you said he could have been training alone to prevent him getting injured, but then you said he played in the friendlies, which contradicts that.

When he writes his poundland destined autobiography we'll maybe find out the truth.


Again things changed when Pulis came in and we are not privy to contract discussions between club and players.

It does sound like a contradiction but its not, the club could have kept him out to avoid him getting injured and then involved him to force the issue with Newcastle as he did only play for I think 10 minutes in one game and was an unused sub in another.

As for the flexdown we will not know 100% either way unless someone comes out and states it but he's still our player as with the others like Dawson and JRod because no-one met the fee to trigger a move.

Even if an autobiography is issued we may never know depending if a confidentiality clause is signed upon his transfer as happens with managers.

It was in the clubs interested to get him off the wage bill just as much as he wanted to leave
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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4398 on: June 18, 2019, 05:27:28 PM »


It was in the clubs interested to get him off the wage bill just as much as he wanted to leave

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Not if there was a flex down and like I said before getting Gayle could have cost us more as we could have had to pay £55k for him and only £35k for SR after the flex down.

Like you have said everyone is bored with this.

You have your opinion of him and I have mine.

We both agree we should sell him asap for £16.5m and let's hope it is very soon.

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« Reply #4399 on: June 18, 2019, 06:00:58 PM »

It was in the clubs interested to get him off the wage bill just as much as he wanted to leave



Not if there was a flex down and like I said before getting Gayle could have cost us more as we could have had to pay £55k for him and only £35k for SR after the flex down.

Like you have said everyone is bored with this.

You have your opinion of him and I have mine.

We both agree we should sell him asap for £16.5m and let's hope it is very soon.

Can't argue with the last bit so we'll leave it there to avoid boring others any further  :D
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