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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4325 on: June 13, 2019, 09:17:37 PM »
Name a player that voluntarily moves for less money when they are beginning and going through their career not coming to the end?

You claimed "Look at the number of clubs he has played for, he moves for a higher wage every time, which imo is a mercenary."

I explained why he left Malaga and why he left Zenit, please explain how either of them make him a mercenary as I am baffled by your comments ?

I also said "who knows if he took a pay cut to come here" as I don't know, I do know Russian clubs paid stupid money at one time, whether that has ended I don't know but like any player who does not request a move the clubs have to pay their contracts up or negotiate a deal with the player.

The definition of mercenary is:

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primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics.

I believe in the instances of Delph and Collins I have demonstrated players who haven't acted in a mercenary manner.

You keep believing Rondon isn't a mercenary and I'll keep on believing he is and he doesn't give 2 hoots about us.

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« Reply #4326 on: June 13, 2019, 09:20:39 PM »
The career of a football is a short and therefore they all look to earn as much money as possible to live off post playing days.
he’s doing a job, he’s being paid to do it, and just like 99% of the population he will want to be paid as much as possible to do it, I highly doubt anyone in any profession tends to move for less money and I doubt anyone would turn down a pay rise to go and do an identical job for another company. If another company we’re going to offer you a 50% pay rise to go and work for them 99% of people would take it, are they all mercenaries? Why is it acceptable for everyone else but not footballers?

I didn't say it is unacceptable nor did I say other people don't do it, he can choose to do what he wants, but he doesn't have to feed us the bull that we are in his hearts after he got out as quick as he could.

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« Reply #4327 on: June 13, 2019, 09:26:05 PM »
The definition of mercenary is:

mercenary
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primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics.

I believe in the instances of Delph and Collins I have demonstrated players who haven't acted in a mercenary manner.

You keep believing Rondon isn't a mercenary and I'll keep on believing he is and he doesn't give 2 hoots about us.

No I don't believe he is, he may not give two hoots about us, not many players do, do I care? not one bit.

As for your comment to NathWBA and getting out as quick as he could, he was way behind Foster who told the dressing room he wanted out as soon as we were down or Robinson and I think it was Kamara who told Mowbray they wanted out after the playoff against Derby, beat that for speed.

Read the article you posted which said "THE CLUB" put him on a different training programme suggesting the club wanted him oout as well which is purely to get his wages off the wage bill.
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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4328 on: June 13, 2019, 09:41:24 PM »
I may be wrong, but to me the situation is simple.

Rondon is still our player and will be starting next season in the Championship unless Newcastle or Wolves pay the sum we ask. Or anyone else for that matter. I read that a European team are offering him big bucks to leave, but if they don't pay WBA the rate they're asking, he's going nowhere.

Who knows... Perhaps he may like that we've brought Slav in and decide to stay. He would do well in this league.

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« Reply #4329 on: June 13, 2019, 09:42:26 PM »
No I don't believe he is, he may not give two hoots about us, not many players do, do I care? not one bit.

As for your comment to NathWBA and getting out as quick as he could, he was way behind Foster who told the dressing room he wanted out as soon as we were down or Robinson and I think it was Kamara who told Mowbray they wanted out after the playoff against Derby, beat that for speed.

Read the article you posted which said "THE CLUB" put him on a different training programme suggesting the club wanted him oout as well which is purely to get his wages off the wage bill.

That article is written from an interview he gave, do you think all players tell the truth in interviews or do they try to further their own reputation. He was hardly going to say I wanted out ASAP and trained on my own to force my way out.

We know what he has said, but we don't know what the club's version of events is.

Never heard about Kamara doing that before, but as far as we know he could have done a defoe and asked to leave the day after relegation and it was kept quiet to keep his value up.

I don't believe everything I read, and as was demonstrated by the morrison had a option in his favour it is seldom accurate.



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« Reply #4330 on: June 13, 2019, 10:02:10 PM »
That article is written from an interview he gave, do you think all players tell the truth in interviews or do they try to further their own reputation. He was hardly going to say I wanted out ASAP and trained on my own to force my way out.

We know what he has said, but we don't know what the club's version of events is.

Never heard about Kamara doing that before, but as far as we know he could have done a defoe and asked to leave the day after relegation and it was kept quiet to keep his value up.

I don't believe everything I read, and as was demonstrated by the morrison had a option in his favour it is seldom accurate.

You linked an article that stated "THE CLUB" put him on a different training programme. If he had refused to do anything it would have come out as it did with Dawson and Chadli. The club needed the money off the wage bill so were obviously more than happy to let him go as they will be this Summer.

You are the one banging on about him being a mercenary with absolutely zero evidence to back it up.
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« Reply #4331 on: June 13, 2019, 10:11:05 PM »
You linked an article that stated "THE CLUB" put him on a different training programme. If he had refused to do anything it would have come out as it did with Dawson and Chadli. The club needed the money off the wage bill so were obviously more than happy to let him go as they will be this Summer.

You are the one banging on about him being a mercenary with absolutely zero evidence to back it up.

So because you didn't read about or heard about it couldn't have happened?

The club kept Berahino's drug ban secret to retain his value.
If the club and the agent decide to keep something quiet it won't come out.

The article I posted is his version of events IN HIS WORDS, and was WHAT he said, that doesn't make it the truth.

Like I said before, he is no different to Foster imo, other than that nobody paid his release clause.

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« Reply #4332 on: June 13, 2019, 10:19:19 PM »
I didn't say it is unacceptable nor did I say other people don't do it, he can choose to do what he wants, but he doesn't have to feed us the bull that we are in his hearts after he got out as quick as he could.
so what is your issue?
"Look at the number of clubs he has played for, he moves for a higher wage every time, which imo is a mercenary."
he moves for a higher wage every time, which imo is a mercenary.

But you don’t have an issue with him moving for more money so why repeatedly have a dig at him about it?
 You’ve made the assumption that he played up for a move out of the club and asked for it despite there being no evidence to suggest this at all.
You don’t want him to say any “bull” that we are in his heart so what is he meant to say?
you moaned that he didn’t show any gratitude to the club in an interview conducted with him about his move to Newcastle by a Newcastle paper but choose not to accept his message on twitter to the fans and the club?
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« Reply #4333 on: June 13, 2019, 10:21:08 PM »
So because you didn't read about or heard about it couldn't have happened?

The club kept Berahino's drug ban secret to retain his value.
If the club and the agent decide to keep something quiet it won't come out.

The article I posted is his version of events IN HIS WORDS, and was WHAT he said, that doesn't make it the truth.

Like I said before, he is no different to Foster imo, other than that nobody paid his release clause.

I said "If he had refused to do anything it would have come out as it did with Dawson and Chadli" and I do maintain that as things these days have a habit of creeping out as they did when Foster was saying one thing to the press and another about leaving to the club. I find it hard to believe that it would not come out about Rondon if he had thrown a wobbler. As I have stated the club wanted and needed him out just as much due to the wage bill but you seem to be ignoring that part. The talks with Newcastle were going on for a while which is probably why they created that separate training plan for him given that the article YOU posted is dated 17th August and it states from the player himself that he first heard of the interest 2 months before that which would have been before the players came back for pre-season training.

So again, how is he a mercenary? You have stated about his moves throughout his career being due to him being a mercenary.

How you can compare him to Berahino and the drug case I will never know.
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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4334 on: June 13, 2019, 10:37:22 PM »
I said "If he had refused to do anything it would have come out as it did with Dawson and Chadli" and I do maintain that as things these days have a habit of creeping out as they did when Foster was saying one thing to the press and another about leaving to the club. I find it hard to believe that it would not come out about Rondon if he had thrown a wobbler. As I have stated the club wanted and needed him out just as much due to the wage bill but you seem to be ignoring that part. The talks with Newcastle were going on for a while which is probably why they created that separate training plan for him given that the article YOU posted is dated 17th August and it states from the player himself that he first heard of the interest 2 months before that which would have been before the players came back for pre-season training.

So again, how is he a mercenary? You have stated about his moves throughout his career being due to him being a mercenary.

How you can compare him to Berahino and the drug case I will never know.

I referred to the drug case as an example it not being released to the public in the press, no other comparison.

And again his career and nomadic existence demonstrates his mercanary tendencies imo.

You continue to hold others as mercanries and I'll continue to class him as one too.

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Re: Salomon Rondon
« Reply #4335 on: June 13, 2019, 10:59:55 PM »
This is like one of those nights in a pub, with a group of blokes arguing about something that you struggle to takes sides on. Well, I’m off to the bar for a refill, being as I’m the only one drinking while listening, and if I’m not back in 20 minutes, I’ve either got lucky with the barmaid, or sidled off to another pub.  ;D
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« Reply #4336 on: June 13, 2019, 11:12:01 PM »
I referred to the drug case as an example it not being released to the public in the press, no other comparison.

And again his career and nomadic existence demonstrates his mercanary tendencies imo.

You continue to hold others as mercanries and I'll continue to class him as one too.

The drug case cannot be compared regardless of your example of it not being released, those sort of things will always be kept quiet and I would guess only a handful actually knew the real reasons.

I'm struggling to see where I hold anyone as mercenaries. I said you could "class" them as mercenaries but not called anyone one and am still awaiting why Rondon is a mercenary given you claim he has moved for more money each time (as well all aim to do in our working life when we change jobs) despite me telling you why he left Malaga (along with all the name players they signed under the current ownership when he stopped putting money in hence their drop from Champions League football to Laliga 123) and why he left Zenit which was well publicised when he joined us.
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« Reply #4337 on: June 13, 2019, 11:13:15 PM »
This is like one of those nights in a pub, with a group of blokes arguing about something that you struggle to takes sides on. Well, I’m off to the bar for a refill, being as I’m the only one drinking while listening, and if I’m not back in 20 minutes, I’ve either got lucky with the barmaid, or sidled off to another pub.  ;D

 :D I'm going back to watch the telly in a minute so I won't be replying tonight so might be a case of nothing to see for a while
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« Reply #4338 on: June 13, 2019, 11:33:00 PM »
Just out of interest how has Sal been unethical? A key indicator in the definition of mercenary behaviour.
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« Reply #4339 on: June 13, 2019, 11:40:56 PM »
:D I'm going back to watch the telly in a minute so I won't be replying tonight so might be a case of nothing to see for a while
Wrong. Some bloke called Jacko has turned up, so looking like it could kick off any moment now. The barmaids not interested, so I’ve ordered a taxi.
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« Reply #4340 on: June 13, 2019, 11:53:33 PM »
I referred to the drug case as an example it not being released to the public in the press, no other comparison.

And again his career and nomadic existence demonstrates his mercanary tendencies imo.

You continue to hold others as mercanries and I'll continue to class him as one too.

Shovel, and hole, is starting to come to mind as to how you are structuring your argument.
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« Reply #4341 on: June 14, 2019, 12:49:01 AM »
The drug case cannot be compared regardless of your example of it not being released, those sort of things will always be kept quiet and I would guess only a handful actually knew the real reasons.

I'm struggling to see where I hold anyone as mercenaries. I said you could "class" them as mercenaries but not called anyone one and am still awaiting why Rondon is a mercenary given you claim he has moved for more money each time (as well all aim to do in our working life when we change jobs) despite me telling you why he left Malaga (along with all the name players they signed under the current ownership when he stopped putting money in hence their drop from Champions League football to Laliga 123) and why he left Zenit which was well publicised when he joined us.

The Berahino drug test was kept secret to retain his transfer value, that why Stoke complained about not knowing about it after his purchase.

The club employs swain, an ex employee of the local press who can dictate whatever is written and the desperate local hacks, grateful for a job in publishing aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them.

What CLEARLY, the Newcastle article tells us he was training on his own.

He says the club arranged that, the club has not commented on it.

It would not be in the club's interests to reveal he had kicked off and demanded a transfer because of the ensuing bad publicity (eg my example of defoe's transfer request earlier).

They wanted to retain his value and not have him painted as disruptive.

Furthermore, I didn't need you to tell me about Malaga's problems as I knew about them, and again Rondon jumped ship there, as he did at Rubin Kazan too.

He stays at a club for an average 2 seasons, if that show he is mercenary in nature nothing will.

So tell me do you actually believe a footballer can be mercenary or do you believe it only applies to guns for hire?

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« Reply #4342 on: June 14, 2019, 08:50:41 AM »
Wolves have pulled out of the race to sign West Brom and Venezuela striker Salomon Rondon, 29, because of the cost of the deal.
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« Reply #4343 on: June 14, 2019, 09:10:49 AM »
The Berahino drug test was kept secret to retain his transfer value, that why Stoke complained about not knowing about it after his purchase.

The club employs swain, an ex employee of the local press who can dictate whatever is written and the desperate local hacks, grateful for a job in publishing aren't going to bite the hand that feeds them.

What CLEARLY, the Newcastle article tells us he was training on his own.

He says the club arranged that, the club has not commented on it.

It would not be in the club's interests to reveal he had kicked off and demanded a transfer because of the ensuing bad publicity (eg my example of defoe's transfer request earlier).

They wanted to retain his value and not have him painted as disruptive.

Furthermore, I didn't need you to tell me about Malaga's problems as I knew about them, and again Rondon jumped ship there, as he did at Rubin Kazan too.

He stays at a club for an average 2 seasons, if that show he is mercenary in nature nothing will.

So tell me do you actually believe a footballer can be mercenary or do you believe it only applies to guns for hire?

If you think Berahino is the only player where something is kept quiet and out of the press then I would 100% say you are mistaken, sometimes its in the clubs interest to keep it quiet and other times it does the club a favour in getting rid of the player, again there is no comparison to this.

So if you knew about Malagas problems then you would know why Rondon and others left the club, nothing to do with jumping ship, the club could not afford to continue paying the wages they were paying, many players they had signed on big wages had to leave. I have no idea why he left Rubin Kazan but his club received more money than they paid for him yet when he then left Zenit to come here it was for less money as again his club had to sell which was highly publicised when he joined us.

Now instead of asking me if I believe a footballer can be a mercenary and the answer is yes, do I think Rondon is? no I don't, answer the question of why Rondon is a mercenary and what he has actually done wrong as we're still waiting?

You also made a comment about him not saying anything about us in the report you linked but as pointed out he did say a few thinks on Twitter -

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« Reply #4344 on: June 14, 2019, 09:37:04 AM »
In my experience few people, voluntarily, leave a job for another at less money, unless there is a promise of some description to progress or future promotion in the offing. So, I guess that makes quiet a few of us mercenaries.

I know in my working life I’ve nearly always gone to the employer prepared to pay me a higher salary and the best package, you have to look after your own interest as no one else will.

I’ve left places and had leaving do’s and thanked colleagues for there support, friendship and comradeship, which meant a lot to me, but I’ve still left and still remember them with fondness, that is possible in case anyone was wondering.

So, I admit it, “I’m a mercenary” too, welcome to the club Sol, whose membership is expanding as I type.
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« Reply #4345 on: June 14, 2019, 10:04:17 AM »
Modern footballers see themselves as a self-contained business - their image rights etc and therefore loyalty to clubs basically falls down to pay and enjoyment which is probably how the vast majority of the world works? The difference years ago was that the clubs had power and therefore loyalty meant security. These days the power is with players and therefore we just have to accept that and make sure we pay players well (without being silly) and to ensure they enjoy playing here..........Rondon is no different. He always worked his socks off for us which is more than some who have been paid just as well if not better in the past

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« Reply #4346 on: June 14, 2019, 10:55:45 AM »
I'm not really getting in to the debate of Rondon being a mercenary BUT..... he did (by all accounts) spit his dummy last Jan when his dream move to China was blocked by the club!!!  ;D
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« Reply #4347 on: June 14, 2019, 11:50:07 AM »
I would love him to stay, think he would stand out a mile in the Championship. Maybe not in terms of goals, can't see him getting 20+, even at that level but, his all round game would terrorise Champ defenders.
Can't see it in a million years though, so just have to get every penny we can for him and invest in a target man with 20+ potential.

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« Reply #4348 on: June 14, 2019, 12:55:56 PM »
I'm not really getting in to the debate of Rondon being a mercenary BUT..... he did (by all accounts) spit his dummy last Jan when his dream move to China was blocked by the club!!!  ;D

I've lost the will to live so i've give up :D

But he didn't down tools and refuse to play, got on with it.

Perfect example of a mercenary for me- Nicolas Anelka or Emmanuel Adebayor, made careers out of it and very big bank accounts
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« Reply #4349 on: June 14, 2019, 01:57:40 PM »
I've lost the will to live so i've give up :D

But he didn't down tools and refuse to play, got on with it.

Perfect example of a mercenary for me- Nicolas Anelka or Emmanuel Adebayor, made careers out of it and very big bank accounts
Some just threaten to leave to get more money and it works a treat, Ramos for example!
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