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« Reply #5725 on: January 12, 2019, 08:23:47 PM »
Dingles a different case altogether. Fosun have huge cash reserves outside of China and weren’t reliant on getting it out to fund Wolves

The question remains why would the Chinese government strangle the businesses of their entrepreneurs after encouraging them to invest abroad?

If Lai has the money and desire to invest nobody could stop him as the Chinese government aren't idiots who would see him just throw £200m away.

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« Reply #5726 on: January 12, 2019, 10:17:50 PM »
I'd be really interested to see a paper on how anybody made a profit from an English Football club.

If it was easy, it wouldn't be Albion

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« Reply #5727 on: January 12, 2019, 10:22:48 PM »
I'd be really interested to see a paper on how anybody made a profit from an English Football club.


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« Reply #5728 on: January 12, 2019, 10:28:49 PM »
I'd be really interested to see a paper on how anybody made a profit from an English Football club.

Check company house website for wba fc accounts, you'd be surprised.

Lai didn't buy just to use our brand for his eco homes he wants them profits jezza showed him.

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« Reply #5729 on: January 12, 2019, 10:32:00 PM »
Check company house website for wba fc accounts, you'd be surprised.

Lai didn't buy just to use our brand for his eco homes he wants them profits jezza showed him.


But they were what between £8 and 12 million a year? He was obviously hoping to be in situ for the next TV deal, but the fact remains he simply wouldn't sink all his capital into us as a going concern, then sit in China letting others run it (badly).
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« Reply #5730 on: January 12, 2019, 10:36:16 PM »

But they were what between £8 and 12 million a year? He was obviously hoping to be in situ for the next TV deal, but the fact remains he simply wouldn't sink all his capital into us as a going concern, then sit in China letting others run it (badly).

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« Reply #5731 on: January 12, 2019, 10:37:47 PM »
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« Reply #5732 on: January 12, 2019, 10:46:57 PM »
The only time wba made a decent profit was in 2017, & then spent the lot the next year in poor player recruitment.

Almost all other years Peace could have made more money by investing in the FTSE.
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« Reply #5733 on: January 12, 2019, 10:50:52 PM »

Lai.

We don't know what capital he has, I suspect he leveraged his purchase heavily and now is having difficulty servicing the debt.

He didn't need to look to the next deal he needed us to stay in the prem, spend as little as possible to stay there and hopefully take out £10-£15m out a year from the anticipated profits to pay his interest and loan repayments.

Some even have an opinion that he bought us as a rich man's toy.

He bought us like any business purchaser would by examining the books (previous accounts) and seeing consistent profits.

What he clearly didn't realise was the prospect of relegation, as he was sold the "TP has never been relegated" line.

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« Reply #5734 on: January 12, 2019, 10:52:51 PM »
The only time wba made a decent profit was in 2017, & then spent the lot the next year in poor player recruitment.

Almost all other years Peace could have made more money by investing in the FTSE.

"Decent" enoyhgh profits for a £27m dividend to be paid.

£27m that could have rebuilt the stadium at brought in players.

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« Reply #5735 on: January 12, 2019, 10:55:53 PM »
don't think it would make any difference if you could get money out of China. from the start of his ownership it was stated buissness as usual. besides it wasn't just Lais  money it was a consortium who bought us so wouldn't they need to want to spend aswel.

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« Reply #5736 on: January 12, 2019, 10:59:55 PM »
don't think it would make any difference if you could get money out of China. from the start of his ownership it was stated buissness as usual. besides it wasn't just Lais  money it was a consortium who bought us so wouldn't they need to want to spend aswel.

Never heard the consortium bit before.

It was supposed to be business as usual with the Jp recommended inept jw and mg.


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« Reply #5737 on: January 12, 2019, 11:00:43 PM »
We don't know what capital he has, I suspect he leveraged his purchase heavily and now is having difficulty servicing the debt.

He didn't need to look to the next deal he needed us to stay in the prem, spend as little as possible to stay there and hopefully take out £10-£15m out a year from the anticipated profits to pay his interest and loan repayments.

Some even have an opinion that he bought us as a rich man's toy.

He bought us like any business purchaser would by examining the books (previous accounts) and seeing consistent profits.

What he clearly didn't realise was the prospect of relegation, as he was sold the "TP has never been relegated" line.


There were and are far more profitable ventures than a traditional unfashionable English football club in a deprived area (that services 3 similar sized clubs within 20 mile radius) that he could have purchased for the best part of £200 million.
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« Reply #5738 on: January 12, 2019, 11:24:45 PM »
Never heard the consortium bit before.

It was supposed to be business as usual with the Jp recommended inept jw and mg.
Yunyi Guokai (Shanghai) Sports Development Limited group is a new company, formed specifically to buy West Brom, comprised of funding from three places: an asset management company known as Yunyi Investment, a company called Palm Eco-Town Development that specialises in landscape design, and Mr Guochuan Lai, a businessman with connections to the previous two companies.

Lai's purchase of West Bromwich was led by Yuni Investment, an asset management company established in July 2014 that focuses on growth investment opportunities in sports, leisure and technology businesses. The holding company has three investment companies as its shareholders:[6]

Yunyiye (59% - controlled by Lai who provided the underlying equity to Yunyiye through a trust),
Yunjin (23% - Yunjin is funded by funds introduced by Yunyi Investment)
Yuntai (18% - The funds used by Yuntai to invest in the buyer were provided by Palm Eco-Town Development Company Limited).

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« Reply #5739 on: January 12, 2019, 11:27:28 PM »

There were and are far more profitable ventures than a traditional unfashionable English football club in a deprived area (that services 3 similar sized clubs within 20 mile radius) that he could have purchased for the best part of £200 million.

But, he's an idiot and didn't buy anything else unfortunately he bought us.

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« Reply #5740 on: January 12, 2019, 11:33:05 PM »
Yunyi Guokai (Shanghai) Sports Development Limited group is a new company, formed specifically to buy West Brom, comprised of funding from three places: an asset management company known as Yunyi Investment, a company called Palm Eco-Town Development that specialises in landscape design, and Mr Guochuan Lai, a businessman with connections to the previous two companies.

Lai's purchase of West Bromwich was led by Yuni Investment, an asset management company established in July 2014 that focuses on growth investment opportunities in sports, leisure and technology businesses. The holding company has three investment companies as its shareholders:[6]

Yunyiye (59% - controlled by Lai who provided the underlying equity to Yunyiye through a trust),
Yunjin (23% - Yunjin is funded by funds introduced by Yunyi Investment)
Yuntai (18% - The funds used by Yuntai to invest in the buyer were provided by Palm Eco-Town Development Company Limited).

I read that at the time of the purchase and read it as being Lai's essentially using different vehicles, like jp had 3 wba companies.

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« Reply #5741 on: January 12, 2019, 11:34:46 PM »
But, he's an idiot and didn't buy anything else unfortunately he bought us.


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« Reply #5742 on: January 12, 2019, 11:39:21 PM »
Who knows you might be.

But, your question was why did he buy us for £200m. It was a stupid amount for few assets and an ageing squad. Whoever advised him did a bad job imo.

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« Reply #5743 on: January 12, 2019, 11:40:19 PM »
I read that at the time of the purchase and read it as being Lai's essentially using different vehicles, like jp had 3 wba companies.
you could be right, big business and money isn't always transparent

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« Reply #5744 on: January 12, 2019, 11:47:27 PM »
you could be right, big business and money isn't always transparent

He definitely owns palm. I don't know why he would set up the other 2. Probably tax and tax breaks purposes

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« Reply #5745 on: January 13, 2019, 01:31:18 AM »
Don't think he's cut out to be owner of football club, no interest.

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« Reply #5746 on: January 13, 2019, 09:41:13 AM »
Should hope they have him on line 1 Today , I firmly believe pushing the boat out on 2 or 3 players (especially a forward ) gets us over the finishing line .
I know a lot of our finance issue were down to people not at the club now but I'm pretty sick of free transfers well over 30 and begging bowls to other clubs.
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« Reply #5747 on: January 13, 2019, 08:09:55 PM »
The question remains why would the Chinese government strangle the businesses of their entrepreneurs after encouraging them to invest abroad?

If Lai has the money and desire to invest nobody could stop him as the Chinese government aren't idiots who would see him just throw £200m away.

Look, I’m telling you how it is, not trying to explain how the Chinese government thinks.

I work quite a lot with China and what I’ve said is how it is currently, even if it does seem to make little sense.


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« Reply #5748 on: January 13, 2019, 08:11:48 PM »
"Decent" enoyhgh profits for a £27m dividend to be paid.

£27m that could have rebuilt the stadium at brought in players.

When exactly was this £27m dividend paid?

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« Reply #5749 on: January 13, 2019, 09:52:41 PM »
Look, I’m telling you how it is, not trying to explain how the Chinese government thinks.

I work quite a lot with China and what I’ve said is how it is currently, even if it does seem to make little sense.

So if you work a lot in China explain how those who want to take £35m out of China to buy Arnoutvic can take their money out?