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Re: Tony Pulis
« Reply #19025 on: January 04, 2020, 09:08:38 AM »
I had and still have no problem with him , If you don't know who he really is and what he really  does then you follow the wrong sport .
He was one of few people capable of saving us after the Irvine / Burton mess that Peace created on top of the Pepe Mel episode , you don't appoint Pulis and expect to play like Brazil .
You also don't keep him on too long once he's steadied the ship and unlike John Williams you don't let him spend money left , right and centre!
very well put, I gave up my season ticket because the entertainment value was not there, but you know what he does, how he does it and should respect his record .
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« Reply #19026 on: January 05, 2020, 02:49:47 PM »
I had and still have no problem with him , If you don't know who he really is and what he really  does then you follow the wrong sport .
He was one of few people capable of saving us after the Irvine / Burton mess that Peace created on top of the Pepe Mel episode , you don't appoint Pulis and expect to play like Brazil .
You also don't keep him on too long once he's steadied the ship and unlike John Williams you don't let him spend money left , right and centre!

I did not buy this at the time I am not even sure it was worth saving us from the what the fan base regarded as the inevitable relegation where are we now?

However even accepting that Pulis was the only man to save us the problem was always the longer term. Keeping us up in the first season gave him the right to "his own players" and the protection  of the "careful what you wish for narrative"

West Ham went through the same process with Moyes but had the sense to only bring him in for a short period only go full circle in the space of 18 months, without fixing anything very much.
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« Reply #19027 on: January 05, 2020, 04:18:03 PM »
I think Pulis represented all that is bad about the game. As for discipline and work ethic, yes that should be a given without needing to stick 9 men behind the ball.

Hope his son has a few progressive ideas of his own, otherwise he will help kill the game off as a spectator sport in the States. 
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« Reply #19028 on: January 05, 2020, 06:14:54 PM »
I did not buy this at the time I am not even sure it was worth saving us from the what the fan base regarded as the inevitable relegation where are we now?

However even accepting that Pulis was the only man to save us the problem was always the longer term. Keeping us up in the first season gave him the right to "his own players" and the protection  of the "careful what you wish for narrative"

West Ham went through the same process with Moyes but had the sense to only bring him in for a short period only go full circle in the space of 18 months, without fixing anything very much.
Of course it was , for better or for worse staying up is everything . Yes we'd all like to build like Leicester did but after Clarke as I posted  we made a right pigs ear with Mel and Irivine . Whatever you think of Pulis keeping up a squad with the likes of Blanco , Davidson and Samaras was not to be sniffed at . Then to change that squad from the above to Fletcher , Evans , Rondon etc....again thats a sucess on the money we can offer .
He's a 2 year fixer , he's damn good at it too ( or was ) . Sadly we let him stay too long and gave him players he should never have had .
Could you imagine had we been relegated and being stuck with those players from the Irvine/Burton era ?
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Re: Tony Pulis
« Reply #19029 on: January 05, 2020, 06:21:47 PM »
I did not buy this at the time I am not even sure it was worth saving us from the what the fan base regarded as the inevitable relegation where are we now?

Honestly if we had been relegated at that point, it might have been better for the club. It would have meant Peace having to accept one of two scenarios:

1/ sell the club for a lower amount to a more interested party;

2/ put a new long-term plan in place to get us up and secure his investment

Either one would probably mean we'd be in a very different place now.

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« Reply #19030 on: January 08, 2020, 08:52:06 AM »
I had and still have no problem with him , If you don't know who he really is and what he really  does then you follow the wrong sport .
He was one of few people capable of saving us after the Irvine / Burton mess that Peace created on top of the Pepe Mel episode , you don't appoint Pulis and expect to play like Brazil .
You also don't keep him on too long once he's steadied the ship and unlike John Williams you don't let him spend money left , right and centre!

I am in your camp.

If you read my posts when he was appointed, I welcomed the appointment after such an horrendous appointment in Irvine, simply put, we needed him to come in and keep us afloat because we had wasted a transfer window in signing the likes of Gamboa, Davidson, Gardner etc. However, you know when you make that appointment that once you have reached the safety mark, it becomes time to move on from him and that is what we should have done and is what I called for quite vociferously as people will undoubtedly recall  ;D

Getting rid of him in the May of the final year we survived and bringing in someone else at that point whilst our stock was quite high was the way forward, instead Williams gave him another contract despite it being quite clear that his message was not getting through to the players any longer who had managed to survive three years of his antiquated methods. Instead, we backed him in the transfer market, waited until it was too late to bring in a manager of any worth and ultimately cost ourselves Premier League status.

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« Reply #19031 on: January 08, 2020, 09:31:09 AM »
waited until it was too late to bring in a manager of any worth and ultimately cost ourselves Premier League status.

This is a biggie for me too. If I remember rightly Crystal Palace appointed a certain Mr Hodgson a few weeks before we finally booted out Pulis. This really irritated me at the time as I really rate Roy and I'm sure bringing him back would have helped galvanise the fanbase too. Ho hum.
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« Reply #19032 on: January 08, 2020, 11:43:58 AM »
Pulisball was so stultifyingly awful that the fans were drifting away and it was unattractive for players thinking of joining the club - unless of course you were a centre half in which case we had 3 or 4 of those on the pitch at the same time. 

Can you imagine how Pereira would enjoy it if he was just watching the ball flying over his head to a lone centre forward and was incessantly barked at to chase after the ball for ninety minutes?

Following what  FallOutBoy wrote on this thread, had we gone down earlier Peace would not have been able to make such a killing when selling the club and might have been compelled to sell to someone who had the club's interest at heart.
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Re: Tony Pulis
« Reply #19033 on: January 08, 2020, 11:57:51 AM »
Have we lost the Pulis stigma yet attached to our name and brand of football? It took Stoke years to shed it.

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« Reply #19034 on: January 08, 2020, 12:30:58 PM »
Have we lost the Pulis stigma yet attached to our name and brand of football? It took Stoke years to shed it.

Course we have, it was such a daft thin to argue over.  Just like Wolves have lost their stigma after the Mad Mick years.