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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #175 on: August 01, 2013, 01:30:56 PM »
This may sound daft but does the position they bat at really make any difference?
I'm not a knowledge on cricket but surely batsmen should be comfortable at 1 or 6?

It makes an awful lot of difference when you've trained yourself to bat in a certain position, against certain conditions and then out of the blue you're dropped down the order in a totally different environment. The greatest example would be Ricky Ponting who has amassed an awful lot of runs and a decent average batting in the upper echelons of the order, however, when he batted at number six, he had nowhere near the same success. Michael Clarke is also very similar, he has proved himself to be a run machine batting at five with a good average yet when he bats at four, the runs and his average prove very susceptible. He averages 21.51 batting at four yet batting at number five he averages 63.41 - coincidentally, 20 out of his 23 test hundreds have came batting at five whereas he's yet to score a ton batting at four.

Naturally the great way to be a successful side is to have players of different techniques and abilities throughout the order. Each position in cricket allows for a trained skill - the roles are incredibly different. For example, you wouldn't want a side of Kevin Pieterson's because naturally for their brilliance, there will also be many failures. In addition, someone like Kevin Pieterson, a destructive batsman would find himself seriously in trouble against a new ball which is swinging both ways - opening batsman have a skill in seeing off the new ball which allows the lower order to amass runs. They need to set a platform batting with patience and skill and great concentration. Furthermore, you wouldn't want a side of Alastair Cook's either because the rate of you scoring runs would bore the nation stiff.

Australia have a squad which is currently very similar to each other. The middle order which in cricket are generally allowed to score quicker is now filled with opening batsmen who are usually patient against a new ball - instead, you are taking players away from their natural game.
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #176 on: August 01, 2013, 01:33:47 PM »
Australia are 92-2 at lunch and yet again we're talking about a disastrous decision from the third umpire.

DRS has been talk of the opening tests but the problem isn't neccesarily DRS, it's the umpires which do not have a clue how to use it. Khawaja was given out on the field by Tony Hill, yet DRS quite clearly proved that their was no contact between bat and ball and the decision should have been over-turned and given not out. Instead, the third umpire deemed the on-field decision to have been the correct one.

Australia have batted very well this morning with great discipline. Chris Rogers has provided them with a solid platform to build on.
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #177 on: August 01, 2013, 01:41:24 PM »
Looked the easiest decision to make to overturn the decision. Can understand the on field Umpire giving the decision as out due to the noise even though it was bat on pad but the Third Umpire is a disgrace for not overturning it as there was clearly no contact with the bat on the ball.

Australia have been poor with their use of review in this series often throwing them away but this time they have lost one through no fault of their own and that could have a real impact later on. They may think twice about reviewing another decision where they would go for it 100% if they knew they would be left with one if it went against them.

There is nothing wrong with the technology its the people using it.
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #178 on: August 01, 2013, 01:44:33 PM »
Dont some people on here go to work :)
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #179 on: August 01, 2013, 01:48:03 PM »
I work nights  :)
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #180 on: August 01, 2013, 01:55:18 PM »
I'm the first to beam a huge grin when England take wickets against the Aussies, but that decision was, quite frankly, embarrassing. No way was there contact made and it was simply not out. Have lots of Aussie mates from my periodic time abroad and it puts a dampener on things when, if in the event of an England victory now, all the banter is about 'fair play', as opposed to the actual cricket. Damn shame.

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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #181 on: August 01, 2013, 02:22:49 PM »
Chris Rogers has batted very well today and has scored his run at a very quick rate too. I was very surprised about the umpire not overturning that decision, there was nothing for them to go on as hotspot and snicko proved not noise of edge from the bat. Really hope we can pick up one or two wickets in this session and force more pressure on them.   
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #182 on: August 01, 2013, 06:31:25 PM »
Michael Clarke is also very similar, he has proved himself to be a run machine batting at five with a good average yet when he bats at four, the runs and his average prove very susceptible. He averages 21.51 batting at four yet batting at number five he averages 63.41 - coincidentally, 20 out of his 23 test hundreds have came batting at five whereas he's yet to score a ton batting at four.

I'd like to apologise to the nation for cursing this piece of history.

Australia in a commanding position with Michael Clarke currently 125 not out after coming in at four.

Australia finish the day on 303-3. A much better batting performance from them.
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #183 on: August 01, 2013, 06:42:02 PM »
This Test match has draw written all over it, a ground that first innings wise has been quite fruitful this season and also the fact that its meant to rain alot between tomorrow and Sunday.

The Aussies need to win this to keep the series alive so they cant bat for too long tomorrow if that makes sense.
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #184 on: August 01, 2013, 06:47:45 PM »
This Test match has draw written all over it, a ground that first innings wise has been quite fruitful this season and also the fact that its meant to rain alot between tomorrow and Sunday.

The Aussies need to win this to keep the series alive so they cant bat for too long tomorrow if that makes sense.

We need to hurry up and skittle them!

Can't let Clarke and the weather ruin our chances of 5-0!  ;D
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #185 on: August 01, 2013, 07:00:07 PM »
We need to hurry up and skittle them!

Can't let Clarke and the weather ruin our chances of 5-0!  ;D

Clarke was going to make a big score sooner or later, the same applies to our batsmen Cook KP and Trott. I hope that we make early inroads tomorrow get them out for hopefully no more thank 120 runs and hopefully rack up a big total ourselves and then who knows. We made 550 in Adelaide and still lost the game in 2005.
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #186 on: August 01, 2013, 07:27:32 PM »
i think England will be praying for rain :D

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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #187 on: August 02, 2013, 07:55:34 AM »
Whats the betting they skittle us out for 250
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #188 on: August 02, 2013, 08:02:54 AM »
Whats the betting they skittle us out for 250

We'll make runs, Cook Trott or KP have yet to really get going in this series. The bowlers have to bowl much better today, break this partnership up early and get stuck into them.
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #189 on: August 02, 2013, 09:12:46 AM »
The Aussies need to win this to keep the series alive so they cant bat for too long tomorrow if that makes sense.

Best chance in that case may be enforcing the follow-on if they are to sneak a win. So may want to stay in as long as possible but obviously need to score at a decent rate. 

Likely will need at least four days overall of full cricket to have any chance of a result for this match.

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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #190 on: August 02, 2013, 04:22:40 PM »
Aussies declare 527-7. Haddin and Starc with a great partnership at the end, seems these days that a lot of teams have very a lot of bowlers who are very capable of makings runs. Swann bowled well again in this innings. The seamers didn't bowl badly, it was just not offering the bowlers to much.  Time for Cook to make one big score now he and Root haven't made too many runs together so far. 
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #191 on: August 03, 2013, 01:29:33 PM »
Its been a tough morning for England losing two wickets. Cook played well for sixty. KP has had one or two moments but he is now looking good on 33. Pietersen and Ian Bell need to form a really big partnership and take some pressure of the team. Bell may be lucky to still be in as one went past the bat which although there was no sign on hotspot it looked very close. Brad Haddin was adamant that it was out.
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #192 on: August 03, 2013, 01:46:36 PM »
Whats the betting they skittle us out for 250


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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #193 on: August 03, 2013, 03:56:23 PM »
211-4 at Tea. Kevin Pietersen and Ian Bell going very well hope they can both make the three figures and we can avoid the follow on. and the Aussie bowlers are racking up the over, still very confident we can save this test match, possible chance of rain over the next two days.
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #194 on: August 04, 2013, 03:34:19 AM »
Finished 294-7, didn't see any of it as was playing cricket, but with Prior still there see no reason why we can't push on to 400 tomorrow and easily avoid the follow on (which Aussie wouldn't enforce anyway). We're effectively only 6 down having used a night-watchman.
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #195 on: August 04, 2013, 06:17:42 AM »
cant help feeling that the Aussies batted for too long! this was a must win game for them and it looks like heading for a draw. which will see us retain the ashes.

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« Reply #196 on: August 04, 2013, 08:58:26 AM »
cant help feeling that the Aussies batted for too long! this was a must win game for them and it looks like heading for a draw. which will see us retain the ashes.

I think they batted for too long. I would have felt they should have declared just before tea and had an extra ten overs at us on Friday. Stuart Broad is picking up with the bat of late, and hopefully Prior can find some form these players score quickly so it could be interesting to watch this morning. Hopefully England can bat and bat and bat today, The Aussie have already bowled 120 overs.
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #197 on: August 04, 2013, 06:06:31 PM »
I think they batted for too long. I would have felt they should have declared just before tea and had an extra ten overs at us on Friday. Stuart Broad is picking up with the bat of late, and hopefully Prior can find some form these players score quickly so it could be interesting to watch this morning. Hopefully England can bat and bat and bat today, The Aussie have already bowled 120 overs.

Rain stopped play and the forecast for tomorrow is not good. Australia finished on 172/7, a lead of 331. surely they must declare to give themselves any chance of winning.

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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #198 on: August 04, 2013, 06:12:13 PM »
They should declare straight away in the morning but there is very little chance of England being bowled out - especially with the weather forecast.

Hate to see play being abandoned, this isn't the way I wanted us to win the Ashes.
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #199 on: August 04, 2013, 06:46:32 PM »
Knowing Clarke and his decisions that he has made they will declare and put England in. Its hard to take the Weather out of the aquasion but 331 may still be gettable. Take the top three out we have a the rest of the batting line up like to score fast and with it been a very good batting wicket, it could be a very interesting days play tomorrow.
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