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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #1150 on: August 22, 2019, 11:19:59 PM »
All I had been hearing all day on the radio was how Root's decision to bowl first had backfired spectacularly and at half 5 we were 130-2. Was shocked to see us bowl them out in the final 2 hours (although Stokes got very lucky).

Surely Root is due a big innings now at his home ground of all places.
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #1151 on: August 23, 2019, 11:21:07 AM »
Why are we persisting with opening with Roy?

He is not a test batsman.

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« Reply #1152 on: August 23, 2019, 11:36:42 AM »
Why are we persisting with opening with Roy?

He is not a test batsman.

He is not a test opener; that much is clear. He needs to be given a position in the middle order to determine whether or not he is a test batsman, however.
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« Reply #1153 on: August 23, 2019, 12:59:58 PM »
A batting line up that is not designed for test cricket. Beyond pathetic now.

More gutted I've got tickets for the Oval. Be over by then.

I'd seriously consider opening with Burns and Denly. Move Bairstow to 3. Root at 4 and then a toss up between who comes in next; either Stokes or Roy. Buttler is struggling for form at the moment and can be replaced by Foakes to take keep wicket, allowing Bairstow to focus on his batting.

I think after the Ashes we may have to consider removing Denly permanently.

These are pretty seismic changes to be making during a series. We'll continue to plod along and throwing test matches away.
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #1154 on: August 23, 2019, 01:11:39 PM »
54-6 at lunch. A typical England collapse.

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« Reply #1155 on: August 23, 2019, 01:51:17 PM »
Woakes first ball after lunch..  ::)
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« Reply #1156 on: August 23, 2019, 02:08:10 PM »
This is utterly diabolical batting. Some serious questions need to be asked.
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« Reply #1157 on: August 23, 2019, 02:13:10 PM »
Doesn’t get much more embarrassing than that. Root needs to be dropped as Captain
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« Reply #1158 on: August 23, 2019, 02:30:02 PM »
Crikey.

Series over.
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« Reply #1159 on: August 23, 2019, 03:47:02 PM »
There are a lack of test cricket batsmen in general now across the globe, due to the amount of money in limited overs cricket. While bowlers can adapt fairly easily across the formats, the batting styles are completely different.

We seem to be particularly struggling, possibly not helped by having a limited overs specialist in charge of the team in Bayliss. It might improve with the new coach coming in but it won't change the fact that more and more cricketers are becoming short form specialists.

Maybe we need to offer more money for long form specialists so that it is more attractive for county cricketers to focus on this style rather than looking towards IPL and Big bash contracts.
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« Reply #1160 on: August 23, 2019, 04:04:40 PM »
So many reasons to why we are a very poor batting test side. The structure of our domestic summer, playing a county game in the middle of the T20 offers no help whatsoever to batsmen. The team is full of ODI players, Root should be at four that's where he bats bests, Denly isn't up to standard. Roy should be lower down the order, Buttler can't or very rarely battle

Our batting since Bayliss came in has been very poor. When did we last score 400 in a test match?
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« Reply #1161 on: August 23, 2019, 04:20:34 PM »
There are a lack of test cricket batsmen in general now across the globe, due to the amount of money in limited overs cricket. While bowlers can adapt fairly easily across the formats, the batting styles are completely different.

We seem to be particularly struggling, possibly not helped by having a limited overs specialist in charge of the team in Bayliss. It might improve with the new coach coming in but it won't change the fact that more and more cricketers are becoming short form specialists.

Maybe we need to offer more money for long form specialists so that it is more attractive for county cricketers to focus on this style rather than looking towards IPL and Big bash contracts.

Agree with you 100% on this.

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« Reply #1162 on: August 23, 2019, 05:09:08 PM »
So it's dust to dust for another Ashes series then.

Not really into cricket but here's hoping 2021 doesn't go up in a puff of smoke too.
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #1163 on: August 25, 2019, 04:21:35 PM »
Wow! What a game! England win by 1 wicket. Fair play lads!

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« Reply #1164 on: August 25, 2019, 04:24:12 PM »
Wow! What a game! England win by 1 wicket. Fair play lads!
Fair play Ben Stokes! What a player.

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« Reply #1165 on: August 25, 2019, 04:43:21 PM »
So it's dust to dust for another Ashes series then.

Not really into cricket but here's hoping 2021 doesn't go up in a puff of smoke too.

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« Reply #1166 on: August 25, 2019, 04:44:10 PM »
Not really into cricket, but had to stop the car and listen to the last few overs. That Ben Stokes must get into the New Years honours list.
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« Reply #1167 on: August 25, 2019, 05:21:43 PM »
Wow, wow, wow. Australia chucking their review away was particularly delicious. Ben Stokes, what a hero.

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« Reply #1168 on: August 26, 2019, 08:18:43 AM »
Fantastic performance.
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« Reply #1169 on: August 26, 2019, 08:56:34 AM »
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Re: England Cricket Thread
« Reply #1170 on: August 26, 2019, 09:16:08 AM »
When we came to be 100 behind, I just knew that I had to stop what I was doing and watch it as something special could happen. The two cheap wickets didnt help but after that it was probably one of the most enthralling games I have seen for a long time. The Aussies could have bowled at Ben all night long and not got him out he was unplayable. Wonderful stuff all round.

After our first innings [ and much gaffawing from 'down under'] you could have got an England victory at 25/1 with the bookies......lesson learnt. 
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« Reply #1171 on: August 26, 2019, 10:09:06 AM »
You were saying?!

I was saying I'm not really into cricket but hoped for better times for England in the future. England cricket supporters have got their better, just a little sooner than expected.

To be honest I didn't even know what the earlier score was and only discovered the extent of the initial England collapse yesterday. My comments were made having read those of tittybabbas on the tw@tter and several online forums.

Generally the only time I take much interest in cricket is when we play Australia. I'd want us to smash them all over the place if it were tiddlywinks. Come on England and all of the very best for the rest of the Ashes  8) .
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« Reply #1172 on: September 13, 2019, 01:30:45 PM »
This thread has gone very quiet! It's a shame the way the series has played out but is Smith and Labushagne Australia have had two batsmen who have batted well every single innings whereas we haven't, even Stokes has had some poor ones. We've been weak at the top and weak in tail. We constantly seem to have been swimming against the tide in this series and have never looked in control at any point.

It's been a great series to watch but we need some test-style batsmen and some more resilience in the tail-end (as Overton and Leach recently showed - is possible!).

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« Reply #1173 on: September 13, 2019, 01:44:06 PM »
This thread has gone very quiet! It's a shame the way the series has played out but is Smith and Labushagne Australia have had two batsmen who have batted well every single innings whereas we haven't, even Stokes has had some poor ones. We've been weak at the top and weak in tail. We constantly seem to have been swimming against the tide in this series and have never looked in control at any point.

It's been a great series to watch but we need some test-style batsmen and some more resilience in the tail-end (as Overton and Leach recently showed - is possible!).

I would add weak in the middle order.

We're expecting some one-day flat track bullies to make the transition to test cricket, whilst often being thrown in at the deep end because of our inability to open.

I'm not expecting much to change either..
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« Reply #1174 on: September 13, 2019, 01:54:21 PM »
I would add weak in the middle order.

We're expecting some one-day flat track bullies to make the transition to test cricket, whilst often being thrown in at the deep end because of our inability to open.

I'm not expecting much to change either..

Yes, i'm not a cricket expert but i've spoken a lot to my friend who adores test cricket and he says that this country is basically coming further and further away from test match cricket with 20/20 and i think something along the lines of a 10 over match planned soon? People won't know how to play test match cricket for a day soon let alone 5.