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Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« Reply #7100 on: February 18, 2019, 07:54:31 AM »

There are a lot of Albion who see Villa as our biggest rivals. There is no doubt however that collectively 'our' derby is the BCD and theirs is the 2nd City derby vs Blues.

I’d suggest a lot is in fact a majority
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Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« Reply #7101 on: February 18, 2019, 09:16:49 AM »
Again I think a lot goes on your age bracket , I'm late 30's now and growing up it was Wolves for me especially the era they were chucking money about and we played them on a regular basis .
Villa seemed so far off none of the other Midland clubs would get near so I never really got that feeling for them.
Obviously we haven't played Wolves since smacking them about for a few seasons and Villa came back on our Radar , i'll always dislike Wolves but having had my first taste of the arrogance and mentality of Villa after our first promotion I can see why they are number 1 enemy for many Albion fans .
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Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« Reply #7102 on: February 18, 2019, 10:53:11 AM »
I think it was in his book, “ Thou Shalt Not Pass”, I read that Alister Robertson, whilst playing for the Albion, was never really aware of an rivalry or hatred from Albion fans towards Wolves.

It was only when he was transferred to Wolves, in 1986 that it became apparent to him that Wolves fans hated the Albion.

It was during 1986/87 period that Albion, as well as selling Robertson also sold Steve Bull (1986), Andy Thompson (1986), Robbie Dennison (1987) to Wolves, who were in the old fourth division at the time and it was through these four ex-Albion players that Wolves started their recovery. Our manager at the time was the much maligned Ron Saunders, (Robertson never forgave him for selling him) I had a good conversation with Ron during his tenure and he told me the brief he had been given by our board was to sell players of any value and cut the wage bill. The board did allow him a small kitty for player recruitment, he said to me, and I quote “it’s easier to spend £1m on a player than £40,000, because you know your buying quality at a £1m”. Shortly after he spent £40,000 on a young black player with lightening pace but, at that time, little else, he went on to develop into a good player and goal scorer for us and others, including the Wolves, Don Goodman was his name.

In the 70’s and early 80’s I used to go nearly every other week to the Molineux with a good mate, who was a Wolves fan. I’m not sure if it was the John Ireland Stand or the Jack Harris Stand we were in, but I can’t recall an animosity from their fans towards me, even when we were the visitors there. I would never have done the same with my Villa mates as I’d have been lynched at Villa Park, my dad used to say they were a nasty bunch in his younger days as well, but never mentioned the Wolves in the same vein.

So from my perspective, the Wolves-Albion rivalry really found roots in the mid 80’s, I don’t think Wolves fan could forgive us for providing the nucleus of a team that saw them climb the league tables and they didn’t want to acknowledge that fact.

And for me, as far as rivals go “there can be only one”  (sorry Highlander!) and it’s not the Wolves
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Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« Reply #7103 on: February 18, 2019, 11:03:55 AM »
Holy crap the irony...taking the piss about me posting on a wba forum when I’m posting on your own forum at a thread dedicated to Wolves!!!

Seriously though...you’re rivalry with villa will be bigger at the moment because you’re in direct competition with them for promotion, just as it seemed our rivalry with them had gone through the roof last season because again we were in direct competition with them, in reality they were just a bunch of bad losing billy big boots, apparently they won the European cup a hundred years ago or something.

I genuinely hope you sneak promotion, I really do, the BCD is a fantastic game, I savour every minute, apart from the ones when I’m normally dying inside having watched you beat us again lol, come back up, the games wth Leicester just aren’t the same

Its "one" thread where we keep all the S***e in one place, we also have threads for villa, stoke and blues or did you forget those or just fail to see them which would be difficult (for most people) as the villa one has been used regularly last few days.

Now toddle off, i'm sure theres a Walsall forum you can try and troll
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Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« Reply #7104 on: February 18, 2019, 11:05:54 AM »
In the 1950s it was quite common for people in Tipton, where I lived, to go to the Albion one week and Wolves the next. I used to go with a mixed group of kids from school, some Albion, some Wolves, to Albion-Wolves derbies home and away and there was never a hint of trouble. There was no segregation of fans back then.

In Smethwick, where my grandparents lived, pretty much the same applied with Albion and Villa games.

By and large fans couldn't afford to follow their team to away games because transport costs were prohibitive and of course there were no motorways to speed up journey times.

There was friendly rivalry back then, but not the out and out hatred that so many seem to thrive on these days.

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Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« Reply #7105 on: February 18, 2019, 11:06:29 AM »

I'm not speaking for you mate. I'm speaking generally,  I'm speaking about perception from outside our fans. I'm talking about Villa Park rarely selling out against us. I'm talking about Vile fans being bothered they lost, but not that they lost to us. We're barely mentioned in any of the sh1t posts on VT it's all about their manager etc. This defeat hasn't bothered them anymore than losing to Brentford in midweek did.

You obviously don't know many villa fans up there in scouselend. There were plenty on Saturday who let us know how much they care about us and have done so since.

Its the same old argument, age, location blah blah. Only time I give a stuff about the wolves was when I lived there and that was more personal reasons than football. There was no rivalry until Bull joined them.
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Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« Reply #7106 on: February 18, 2019, 11:35:50 AM »
As the name suggests I was born in 87, so by the time I was old enough to understand properly and started going up the Albion in the early/mid 90's the Wolves were always the big rivalry game for the season due to proximity; also didn't help that several of the kids in my year group at school were gobby Wolves fans.

The Villa were just some team in the premier league that none of the rest of us could get anywhere near at the time so didn't really register on my radar. The area i'm in (Blackheath/Rowley) was mostly a split between Albion and Wolves fans when I was growing up with a smattering of Villa fans who pipe up once in a while about winning some milk bottle fight in a bar in Amsterdam or something that one time.

My dad would say Villa is the big rival, but for me it's the Wolves, though I can understand why many; usually in the older generations; feel it's the Villa.

It's all about age, location and league proximity I think...

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That's not to say I don;t still see Villa as one of our main rivals, of course they are, and I enjoyed beating them at the weekend greatly, It's just not as intense for me as it is with the Dingles.
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« Reply #7107 on: February 18, 2019, 12:02:40 PM »
FYI, i have put a poll up to get a more accurate assessment of rivalries, be good if folks had a look and voted.
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« Reply #7108 on: February 18, 2019, 12:05:56 PM »

I'm not speaking for you mate. I'm speaking generally,  I'm speaking about perception from outside our fans. I'm talking about Villa Park rarely selling out against us. I'm talking about Vile fans being bothered they lost, but not that they lost to us. We're barely mentioned in any of the sh1t posts on VT it's all about their manager etc. This defeat hasn't bothered them anymore than losing to Brentford in midweek did.

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« Reply #7109 on: February 18, 2019, 12:13:28 PM »
I have to admit that watching any of the Tolkein films does make me think of dingles every time I see an Orc appear on screen.

Whereas Attenborough and his artic / antactic / blue planet .....  How I love to see an Orca tossing a seal about !
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« Reply #7110 on: February 18, 2019, 12:23:45 PM »
I have to admit that watching any of the Tolkein films does make me think of dingles every time I see an Orc appear on screen.

Whereas Attenborough and his artic / antactic / blue planet .....  How I love to see an Orca tossing a seal about !

I've just had a mental image of Sir David Attenborough directing and doing a talk over for an animal porn movie.

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Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« Reply #7111 on: February 18, 2019, 04:22:02 PM »
Given that Stoke is a fairly short journey up the M6 from Wolverhampton, and alot of Wolves support comes from the Cannock area, I'm surprised there's not more of a Wolves-Stoke rivalry.
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Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« Reply #7112 on: February 27, 2019, 10:19:41 AM »
Shocked to see that wonderful Wolves team having the double done to them by the worst team in the Premier league for sone time, well at least since Wolves were last relegated 😂

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« Reply #7113 on: February 27, 2019, 12:59:45 PM »
Shocked to see that wonderful Wolves team having the double done to them by the worst team in the Premier league for sone time, well at least since Wolves were last relegated 😂

They just don't like playing teams in blue and white stripes, do they  ;D

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Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« Reply #7114 on: February 27, 2019, 02:38:55 PM »
They just don't like playing teams in blue and white stripes, do they  ;D

I bet their fans would love to play us at the moment
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« Reply #7115 on: March 05, 2019, 05:58:20 PM »
Their owners' invested in the club to get them into the Premiership.
They lost £1m a week during 2017-18.

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Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« Reply #7116 on: March 05, 2019, 06:16:34 PM »
They played roulette and won, any losses will be wiped out this year with their premierleague money. What makes the championship so good but at the same time so bad is that clubs throw everything at it to go up but there are only 3 winners.

If you go up you are ok, if you throw everything at it and don’t then you are stuffed. If you don’t really throw anything at it and live within your means without a rich owner pumping loads in then you will basically be midtable unless you do some very shrew business.

Unfortunately if we don’t go up this year and next we will fall in to the third category.

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Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« Reply #7117 on: March 05, 2019, 10:07:51 PM »
Their owners' invested in the club to get them into the Premiership.
They lost £1m a week during 2017-18.

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« Reply #7118 on: March 06, 2019, 12:53:53 PM »
I still don't understand FFP. can someone explain how you can lose £50m and then spend £109 m and stay within the rules.

Because the clubs losses are taken into account over a three year period. A club can only lose £39 million on a rolling three-year period, but Wolves previous financials mean they're fine, including something like £90 million of assets which offset losses. There are two interesting things here though -

1/ Wolves wage bill included £20 million pounds of promotion bonuses, so they only spent that much because they were promoted.

2/ Wolves wages were around £30 million without the bonuses, but Villa's was £70 million plus without promotion bonuses, yet Villa have somehow passed FFP as well - despite losing loads each year they've been in the Championship.

Villa are more of a question mark than Wolves, because they've burnt through the parachute payments and still lost money.

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Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« Reply #7119 on: March 09, 2019, 10:37:56 AM »
The problem is in terms of FFP is that the published losses are different to those that are taken into account for FFP so for instance anything that the club spends on it's academy is discounted for FFP purposes. Equally there are 3 different sets of rules which may apply to an English club UEFA, Premier League and EFL. The EFL rules are further subdivided by division.

Even as someone who is reasonably comfortable with basic financial reporting I find the whole thing bewildering. If the authorities are going to persist with these type of rules they should publish a basic summary of each club's FFP position on an annual basis which sets out the losses and what allowances they are taking to offset them. Obviously clubs won't want to disclose this information but with enough knowhow an accountant could probably get there from the clubs report and accounts but it would greatly add to the transparency of the process and fans understanding if the authorities did this.

Wolves gambled and won a £55m loss in the Championship is sustainable for one season and one season only. Had they lost they could bridge the gap through player sales and in part a chunk of the loss only happened because they were promoted. 
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Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« Reply #7120 on: March 10, 2019, 03:58:35 PM »
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Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« Reply #7121 on: March 18, 2019, 04:21:02 PM »
Quiet on here isn’t it?

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« Reply #7122 on: March 18, 2019, 04:29:30 PM »
Quiet on here isn’t it?
I wouldn't say so, no.
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« Reply #7123 on: March 18, 2019, 04:31:31 PM »
In the past few years we've finished in the top half of the Premiership twice and reached an FA Cup semi-final.
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« Reply #7124 on: March 18, 2019, 04:52:33 PM »
Haha watch them win it and Villa win the play offs  :-\