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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2019, 11:34:26 PM »
Brunt was rash but I personally would blame Hegazi more for diddling on the ball too long in a dangerous situation. Never felt like we win since Gayle sending off.

Delighted to win in normal time but down to ten felt we best had to hold out for penalties. Possibly six of our first choice penalty takers werent involved and Villa could bring on a late sub to add to theirs.

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« Reply #51 on: May 14, 2019, 11:36:19 PM »
I can't ever remember a time when I've been more proud of our team. My god. Everything went against us over the two legs and to force extra time given everything that happened to us was a near miracle, an unbelievably gutsy effort.

Villa weren't going to score tonight whatever happened, we were a brick wall of a team foe once.

To get as far as we did and lose on penalties is just damn cruel. As always happens though in a huge match between us and the scum they always win through one way or another.

Just think, if the ref had done his job properly in the first leg and given us a penalty for Abraham's barge on Holgate we'd almost certainly have won the tie.

I hope whoever they get at Wembley turns them over.

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« Reply #52 on: May 14, 2019, 11:41:48 PM »
Back in the car. Gutted but proud of all the lads. Brunt was sold out by Morrison and Hegazi and had to challenge McGinn. The ultra negative approach from our trio of coaches and the substitutions cost us any chance of winning outside of a penalty shoot out, while we are rightly proud of their resilience there is more than one way to skin a cat. You could argue we ended the game with 5 centre halves on a pitch of 9 outfield players, imagine if Pulis had done this.


Shout out for Johnstone who was imperious during the match.


Used up all his penalty luck in the first 8 games. Didn't look like saving any of the half dozen taken in this tie.


The weakness of our attacking and midfield options from the squad players beggars belief and Dowling and Jenkins should be first out the door.


Is Shan unlucky or is he a bad manager? Tosin on the bench Saturday and Field tonight makes all the difference after the red cards.


We would have had nothing left for Wembley anyway imo. Feel for you lads who see these as your biggest rivals.


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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #53 on: May 14, 2019, 11:42:19 PM »
A lot of knee jerk reaction on here which is understandable...bad mistake by Brunt yes but he'd pulled the strings up to the sending off. .Villa were never in the game up to that point...we played really well tonight and should have taken our chances....I for one an extremely proud how we beat a good Villa side tonight and if we kept 11 on the pitch would have more than likely been through. Even at 10 men they couldn't score but with 11 we were by far the better team.
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« Reply #54 on: May 14, 2019, 11:44:15 PM »
Most those who started did us proud. I say most because Murphy is awful, and I need to see the brunt red again to judge if it was forgivable.

I’m not sure even with Brunt we would of won before penalties, towards the end of the second half the players were beginning to struggle, as they’d put so much in and I think they had rose to what was the best atmosphere from the Albion in a long time.

As good as the first 11 were, two of the subs were awful. Harper doesnt care and doesn’t want to get injured prior to his big move and for anyone still asking why Leko doesn’t get a chance, that’s why.

I can only assume field and Edwards are injured as when we needed legs and effort they surely would have given more.

It’s devastating we couldn’t get the second we deserved in normal time, prior to the red

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« Reply #55 on: May 14, 2019, 11:45:07 PM »
Unforgivable from Brunt. Honestly it's time to move on from him anyway but to do that today is so so irresponsible and should be the final nail for him.

Much bigger problems would still be there even if we had come through tonight, but the game was there for the taking and he basically ruined any chance of winning pre-pens (and probably would have improved our odds for pens too).

Not at all - had to mop up a rare Hegazi brain fart and paid the price.

I thought both were really good tonight, Hegazi's anticipation and reading of the game is excellent. Really proud of them tonight and we need to remember that we won against the vile...

In reality though, when you think about it, are we really in a position to go up? I don't think so.

Jenkins and Co can own this failure. If Mr Lai is as ruthless as other Chinese business owners, there will be a p45 waiting for them soon. We can only hope.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2019, 11:46:43 PM by skyclad99 »
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #56 on: May 14, 2019, 11:47:06 PM »
Gutted we have lost.  Brunt obviously at fault but, on his defence,  he's forced into a rash challenge by Hegazi giving the ball away on the edge of the box. We would have won that game tonight with Gayle on there.

Even with a rookie manager and a feather light squad we nearly made it.  The players gave it their all but our squad came up short.  4 defenders taking pens, not enough forwards,  having to bring on Morisson to do nothing.  I fear for next season.  Sign gayle, get a new manager and start the rebuild.
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« Reply #57 on: May 14, 2019, 11:48:22 PM »
Absolutely gutted.

Huge credit to all the fans today. Haven’t seen an atmosphere like that for years.
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« Reply #58 on: May 14, 2019, 11:51:39 PM »
Can all the negativity and moaning go on a separate thread please, maybe a post season thread, this after match debate deserves a little bit of pride in a brave performance from the team, and magnificent support from the fans. Felt we gave an average Villa team a little more respect than they deserved too.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #59 on: May 14, 2019, 11:52:46 PM »
Why oh why do we allow teams tlo come that close to our area?
The past three seasons should have shown us to play higher up the pitch and defend by the centre circle.
Bad management and coaching !


With who DB? Once Phillips and Rodriguez were taken off injured/tired, and we withdrew Murphy, there were no targets up front to hold and press. Tosin came on and played in front of the back 4, and we went to park the bus defending to get to penalties. Flet sorry for Leko as he was given an impossible task.

Just explain to me how we can do with what you are suggesting with what we had on the pitch.?
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2019, 11:54:34 PM »
Proud of the lads tonight, regained some credibility after the weekend.

Not going to slate Brunt as Hegazi sold him out tonight but stupid freekicks conceded in dangerous places is the main reason I do not want him in the centre of that pitch, tonight he was reckless and a bit too fired up from the start, you want experienced players to be calm.

To loose Robson-Kanu at Derby, Gayle at the weekend and the Rodriguez tonight leaving us with Leko shows the lack of depth in this squad, thats on Jenkins, Dowling and Lai.

The fact that we have had Shan in charge in an important period of the season is again on the 3 of them, nothing against Shan, he's done a good job but should never have been in the job.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #61 on: May 14, 2019, 11:55:57 PM »
Watch both Brunt yellow card back on TV, both ludicrous challenges. It wasn’t a case of hanging a leg out. He threw himself into the Villa player, both as clear cut yellows as you will find. The first one was particularly stupid. The Villa player was on the half way line, no need whatsoever to fly into him. The second one was a desperate lunge. Exactly the sort of challenge that no player on a yellow can afford to make. Only has himself to blame. One of his better games as well, although his shooting is still awful. Three efforts off target.

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« Reply #62 on: May 14, 2019, 11:58:07 PM »
Back in the car. Gutted but proud of all the lads. Brunt was sold out by Morrison and Hegazi and had to challenge McGinn. The ultra negative approach from our trio of coaches and the substitutions cost us any chance of winning outside of a penalty shoot out, while we are rightly proud of their resilience there is more than one way to skin a cat. You could argue we ended the game with 5 centre halves on a pitch of 9 outfield players, imagine if Pulis had done this.


Shout out for Johnstone who was imperious during the match.


Used up all his penalty luck in the first 8 games. Didn't look like saving any of the half dozen taken in this tie.


The weakness of our attacking and midfield options from the squad players beggars belief and Dowling and Jenkins should be first out the door.


Is Shan unlucky or is he a bad manager? Tosin on the bench Saturday and Field tonight makes all the difference after the red cards.


We would have had nothing left for Wembley anyway imo. Feel for you lads who see these as your biggest rivals.


Onto next season. Hopefully the big decisions needed in the summer come off.

Interesting post and I agree with most of it.

Don't think Brunt was sold out by Mozza, but Hegazi did sell him a kipper tonight - albeit can't blame Hegazi cause he was class otherwise and is a premier league player.

Don't think Shan is unlucky in the sense we've looked very much like we would get a red card throughout the tie.

The bit I massively agree with is we've ended up with over half defenders as outfield players on the pitch and I didn't think we'd win the shootout at any point. Until heart ruled the head and Abraham's pen looked like it might be saved.

Fairs to the fans and like you say we need a massive overhaul. The optimist in me says we have some decent young players, the opportunity to get rid of older (and now ineffectual) players but the pessimist/realist in me says we're not going to do that and try and get by with what we've got.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #63 on: May 15, 2019, 12:00:22 AM »

With who DB? Once Phillips and Rodriguez were taken off injured/tired, and we withdrew Murphy, there were no targets up front to hold and press. Tosin came on and played in front of the back 4, and we went to park the bus defending to get to penalties. Flet sorry for Leko as he was given an impossible task.

Just explain to me how we can do with what you are suggesting with what we had on the pitch.?
As you say, but way before that (I am on about the past 3 seasons) we just kept retreating and giving away the ground to those who want to win games.
We can only score if we are in their half, and more than likely stop them scoring too.
Stop being the "cowardly lion" side and go for the jugular.

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« Reply #64 on: May 15, 2019, 12:04:09 AM »
Well we ain't going to Wembley and I'm a bit relieved because who every we had to play would have hammered us we really are a one man team ablit a two man team when Barnes was here.

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« Reply #65 on: May 15, 2019, 12:06:08 AM »
Utterly dejected. I suppose on the positive note it gives us a good chance to build a squad for next season and stats wise a lot of clubs who lose in the play-offs are usually up there the next season. Here's hoping. I just hope Villa lose and Norwich get fudged all season, bit like Fulham.
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« Reply #66 on: May 15, 2019, 12:13:58 AM »
Just back from the Irish pub in Hamburg watching it with one other person- just happened to be a Villa fan ::) We hardly spoke to one another.
I think it was Gayle's sending off, Brunt's sending off with HRK's unavailabilty which ultimately cost us.
The team showed terrific character, especially the experienced players. I don't blame Brunt. He gave his all and mistimed his tackle. We were down to the bare bones at the end and I saw a stat 89/11% possession for Villa. It was embarassing parking the bus, but our squad was that depleted, whilst Villa were jammy enough to have a fully fit squad at their disposal. Villa were definitely looking for fouls and freekicks from the start.
Taking off J-Rod with penalties looming was probably the wrong move, especially as Shan didn't look like we were trying to win the game in extra time. Was a bit disappointed Johnston didn't stop any. He should have known a bit about the Villa players.
 


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« Reply #67 on: May 15, 2019, 12:14:14 AM »
Brunt cost us big time tonight, we had them on the ropes 11 v 11. For a player of his expereince that should be the last we see of him tonight.
brunt was put in a position that he had to make the foul to stop mcginn shooting, hegazi caused that second yellow. Shame because every single one of them worked their balls off tonight
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« Reply #68 on: May 15, 2019, 12:15:12 AM »
Proud to be a baggie tonight after that, but feel let down by the penalty misses.

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« Reply #69 on: May 15, 2019, 12:19:27 AM »
Can all the negativity and moaning go on a separate thread please, maybe a post season thread, this after match debate deserves a little bit of pride in a brave performance from the team, and magnificent support from the fans. Felt we gave an average Villa team a little more respect than they deserved too.
Agree with this . I think some people are reflecting on the whole season here,rather than tonights match.They gave everything tonight and just came up short. Morrison who did nothing after coming on as sub, should have taken the first penalty, and given us the chance to put pressure on their first taker.
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« Reply #70 on: May 15, 2019, 12:19:47 AM »
Just back from the Irish pub in Hamburg watching it with one other person- just happened to be a Villa fan ::) We hardly spoke to one another.
I think it was Gayle's sending off, Brunt's sending off with HRK's unavailabilty which ultimately cost us.
The team showed terrific character, especially the experienced players. I don't blame Brunt. He gave his all and mistimed his tackle. We were down to the bare bones at the end and I saw a stat 89/11% possession for Villa. It was embarassing parking the bus, but our squad was that depleted, whilst Villa were jammy enough to have a fully fit squad at their disposal. Villa were definitely looking for fouls and freekicks from the start.
Taking off J-Rod with penalties looming was probably the wrong move, especially as Shan didn't look like we were trying to win the game in extra time. Was a bit disappointed Johnston didn't stop any. He should have known a bit about the Villa players.
2 strikers (which is basically all we have) and a very old and cream crackered midfielder.
Says it all really. Mr Jenkins must be feeling very proud and boastful now.
I can see him strutting around with his belly stuck out.
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« Reply #71 on: May 15, 2019, 12:23:20 AM »
Utterly dejected. I suppose on the positive note it gives us a good chance to build a squad for next season and stats wise a lot of clubs who lose in the play-offs are usually up there the next season. Here's hoping. I just hope Villa lose and Norwich get fudged all season, bit like Fulham.
well Jenkins and Co will have a good try to bugger that stat up.

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« Reply #72 on: May 15, 2019, 12:26:38 AM »
Heartbreaking

I am so proud of all of them tonight - that was a bloody fantastic effort and one which made me feel quite proud as I walked out the ground.

I really don’t know what to say to be honest

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« Reply #73 on: May 15, 2019, 12:27:34 AM »
well Jenkins and Co will have a good try to bugger that stat up.
They don't have to try. They just don't have a clue! Should not be any where near a management position.

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« Reply #74 on: May 15, 2019, 01:03:25 AM »
Gutted about the result but very proud of the team and fans tonight.

No away goals rule unfortunately, spurs get to a champs league final having not won the qf or sf but the efl deem the rule unnecessary.

In both games imo Brunt did nothing, I said he should have gone off after he got a yellow as he has never been able to tackle and it is time to say goodbye to a great servant and it is only a shame that morrison can't go too.

We need a complete rebuild and I hope we can get Hughton who took bha from relegation candidates to play off and then finally up in 2 seasons.

Next appointment is massive and I prey we make the right decision.