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Offline 17GD

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What do you want changed?
« on: March 11, 2019, 01:41:38 PM »
Keeping things realistic, what would you like to see changed within the team when the new boss comes in?

Personally, I don't think there's any point in moaning about the owners/investment, as I can't see them going anywhere any time soon.


For me, the things I'd like to see changed are:

+ Bond being given the occasional league game in goal. GKs should always feel they are in a competition for the number 1 jersey.

+ Only using the passing out from goal kicks every so often, not as our first and only plan. Mix it up.

+ Players being played in their natural position, unless of injury/suspension. Stop setting players up to fail, especially the young players, who shouldn't be put in that situation.

+ Pressing the opposition when we don't have possession. We always sit back and invite pressure.

There's plenty more, but I think even by changing these areas of our game we could start turning performances around.

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2019, 01:48:14 PM »
Livermore rested for the rest of the season, along with Bartley.

Dawson returning to something that resembles a defender

Gayle poaching not wasted on the wing

Allow Johnstone to be a goalkeeper not a sweeper

4-4-2 Phillips and Murphy as wingers

Morrison repaying his massive wages as a number 10 (Barnes role)

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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2019, 01:51:19 PM »
Tempo. Up it. Everything we do is slow and if you're going to succeed playing that way you have to be technically head, shoulders and half a torso better than others.

Close teams down.

Stop retreating deep, conceding possession and inviting pressure. Every time we score first at home we do this. Look at our home record. Stop it, continue on the front foot.

Play players in their proper position especially kids. Earlier in the season it was Sam Field at centre back now it's Tosin Araradioyo left back at Leeds FFS, stupid.

As for for messing around at the back don't get me started.

Stop doing stupid things like Johnstone taking a free kick on the half way line on Saturday just to pass the ball five yards sideways. WHY? What the hell is the point? Again, stupid.


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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2019, 02:20:21 PM »
Bond as first choice keeper.

Give more of an increasing role (sensibly) to Morgan Rogers, Kyle Edwards and Rayhaan Tulloch.

Encourage wingers/wing-backs to get to the bye-line whenever possible before crossing....aimless punts into the penalty area from oblique angles are food and drink for opposition defenders.

Drop Livermore.

Encourage midfield players to instantly move forwards with the ball at pace the moment they receive it.

OK, so all a bit risk-taking maybe...but I'm thinking long-term, and about how I grew up watching us play  (early 70's onwards).
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2019, 02:32:57 PM »
............Stop doing stupid things like Johnstone taking a free kick on the half way line on Saturday just to pass the ball five yards sideways...........

I'm still trying to get my head around that one, it's gone now so I best let it go really  ;D .
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2019, 02:56:16 PM »
I'm still trying to get my head around that one, it's gone now so I best let it go really  ;D .

You could understand it if it was a one off, but we have constantly been doing these stupid things all season.

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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2019, 03:11:19 PM »
Number 1.  Play Gayle through the centre
Number 2.  Play Tosin at CH NEVER at fullback.
Number 3.  Thank CBrunt / JMorrison / GBarry / WHoolahan / KBartley / HRKanu / BMyhill (is Mears still around? If yes add him) for their services and wish them well in the future.
Number 4.  Tell Craig Dawson / J.Livermore and J Rodriguez that any acceptable offer will be considered VERY seriously
Number 5.  Tell A. Hegazi / K.Gibbs / M.Phillips that they are key to the future of the club and we want to build a young, dynamic side around them
Number 6.  Ask Everton if we can sign M.Holgate to add to the others in Number 5.
Number 7.  Tell Gayle / Montero / Murphy / Johansen that there may be a role for them, but we are taking into account age (DG) / fitness / attitude etc into account and if not exemplary we will not pursue any loan extension / contract negotiations
Number 8.  Tell ALL the kids that they have a chance to grab a place and a career next season, its all in their hands

I think that will do for now.

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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2019, 03:17:51 PM »
It would be nice to see them fitter, so we could play for ninety odd minutes instead of forty five. Our fitness levels compared to many sides has at times been shocking. We could then move on to just passing the ball to someone with the same coloured shirt.

Having said that, couldn't we have said the same for the last 3-5 seasons?


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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2019, 03:39:56 PM »
Players able to pass to their OWN team mates, and the same with throw ins.

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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2019, 03:44:04 PM »
Sell Livermore.  The end.
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2019, 04:09:18 PM »
A new midfield. Harper is good enough to build it around, Phillips is decent when fit, the rest I would replace. Moore has tried pretty much every combo possible and none have really succeeded long term, which suggests they just aren't good enough.
What Moore can be criticised for is not addressing this in the transfer windows but, anyone expecting the new guy to wave a magic wand over this slow, ageing, negative, injury prone mob, is in for a shock. IMO of course.

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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2019, 05:13:10 PM »
1. Stop farting around with the ball at the back

...err, thats it.

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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2019, 05:18:20 PM »
Stop playing the ball out from the back with players who clearly can't hack in (new centre-halves required if we want to play this way going forward).

On a similar note, no more Adarabiyio at full-back.

Stop playing so many useless plodders in midfield. We can carry one of Barry or Livermore through a game, not both.

Somebody has to start working with Johnstone, and improving him. We've spent too much to cut our losses, but none of the keeper coaches seem to have improved him one bit from the start of the season.

More intensity in the team. They don't have to run around to no effect like a team of James McCleans, but they need to move the ball quicker and put pressure on the opposition when chasing the game at the very least.

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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2019, 06:20:52 PM »
Number 1.  Play Gayle through the centre
Number 2.  Play Tosin at CH NEVER at fullback.
Number 3.  Thank CBrunt / JMorrison / GBarry / WHoolahan / KBartley / HRKanu / BMyhill (is Mears still around? If yes add him) for their services and wish them well in the future.
Number 4.  Tell Craig Dawson / J.Livermore and J Rodriguez that any acceptable offer will be considered VERY seriously
Number 5.  Tell A. Hegazi / K.Gibbs / M.Phillips that they are key to the future of the club and we want to build a young, dynamic side around them
Number 6.  Ask Everton if we can sign M.Holgate to add to the others in Number 5.
Number 7.  Tell Gayle / Montero / Murphy / Johansen that there may be a role for them, but we are taking into account age (DG) / fitness / attitude etc into account and if not exemplary we will not pursue any loan extension / contract negotiations
Number 8.  Tell ALL the kids that they have a chance to grab a place and a career next season, its all in their hands

I think that will do for now.
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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2019, 08:25:15 PM »
Short term
Replace Johnstone with bond
Play 4-5-1 , we have some very good midfielders but they are good at very specific things, playing with 3 in there has left us exposed, so a five of
Montero/Phillips HARPER Barry/Livermore JOHANSEN Murphy/leko
Should be able to out play anybody in this division,
Gayle starts but always then have JRod/HRK to come on.....which again we haven't really had options
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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2019, 11:05:24 PM »
This is going to unpopular but

1. Go 1 up top and that should not be Gayle
2. Get Brunt back on the pitch ideally wide right
3. Go with a  central midfield 3 of Field Harper and Johansen not convinced by it even as I type it but I don't think I can watch Livermore again. 
4 Play one of Murphy or Phillips but not both.

I know everyone hates playing out from the back but at some point we have to get the ball down and pass it bear in mind WE DO NOT HAVE A TARGETMAN.

Longer term well that completely depends on where we end up I will post thoughts on that when the season ends.
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2019, 11:34:52 PM »
This is going to unpopular but

1. Go 1 up top and that should not be Gayle
2. Get Brunt back on the pitch ideally wide right
3. Go with a  central midfield 3 of Field Harper and Johansen not convinced by it even as I type it but I don't think I can watch Livermore again. 
4 Play one of Murphy or Phillips but not both.

I know everyone hates playing out from the back but at some point we have to get the ball down and pass it bear in mind WE DO NOT HAVE A TARGETMAN.

Longer term well that completely depends on where we end up I will post thoughts on that when the season ends.

Wrong, I've no problems at all with playing it out from the back.

I've got huge problems with doing it when it's not on or there's no real point to it though.

Huge difference which I think many others have echoed.
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2019, 01:23:01 AM »
Wrong, I've no problems at all with playing it out from the back.

I've got huge problems with doing it when it's not on or there's no real point to it though.


Huge difference which I think many others have echoed.


Yep, same here. Nothing wrong with playing out from the back at the right times.

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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2019, 08:54:46 AM »
Play out from the back sometimes, every time just makes us predictable and easy to close down.

A simple pass sometimes helps us keep possession when no other pass is on...don't just lump it forward aimlessly

Look at the player you are passing it to.

Pass AND MOVE.

Press the opposition players when they have the ball, close them down quicker too.

Face the ball when the opposition are taking a goal kick or throw in..... and when we have a throw in as we might want to take a quick one.

Midfield to look to move play forward quickly.

Utilise the bench to change a game.

Look to the left and spot the acres of space that Gibbs/Townsend have and utilise it.
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2019, 09:32:12 AM »
Just play to the players strengths, don't ask them to do things they can't do and play them in their best positions.
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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2019, 10:45:06 AM »
Just play to the players strengths, don't ask them to do things they can't do and play them in their best positions.

WHAT that makes far to much sense.
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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2019, 12:04:19 PM »
I want a confident keeper who can make decisions in the penalty area about everything he is involved in - distribution, when to come for a ball, organising defence.
I want defenders who can actually defend, put their bodies on the line and keep clean sheets.
I want creative midfielders who are looking to unlock defences and make the crucial pass as well as moving the ball quickly and upping the pace of the game.
I want strikers who look like they are going to score and will at least hit the target whenever they shoot.

I want a manger who can deliver all this
I want a Board of Directors who can back the manager to deliver all this.
I want coaches to bring on the young players so they are part of the first team

I also want the Premier League to fold and the so called super rich to clear off and give us football back.

All a dream I know but I would at least 5 out of those 8 points because I think the rest could then fall into place.

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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2019, 01:46:42 PM »
bring in a new manager ,show belief in what he wants to do ,play football ,show some fight ,win ,win and win some more ,and carry that confidence  into the play offs .if only it was that simple

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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2019, 02:33:55 PM »
maybe Lai could visit the players, there's a story doing the rounds in Cardiff that their owner, Vincent Tan, jetted in for a game, saw them losing 2-0 at half time and demanded to do the half time team talk.

"Who is centre- forward!?"

A hand goes up.

You!! Centre forward, score more goals!!"

Gotta be worth a try.

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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2019, 04:18:35 PM »
I have given up in disgust. Nothing will change until we are rid of Lai.

LAI OUT!

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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2019, 06:36:52 PM »
Stop faffing about at the back. Then we can judge our much maligned goalkeeper

Don’t play Adarabioyo unless we have to. That includes centre back, just check out his passing

Never play Livermore and Barry in same team

Find out how to get Johansen back to how he was at Fulham... maybe the ex Fulham manager can help?!?

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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2019, 06:48:03 PM »
I think we are limited to what we can change with the squad and type of players we have.

Us Albion fans suffered three years of anti football under Pulis which for the first two seasons was effective.

For the first few months of this season we were trying to implement a new passing based style which fans wanted, we had decent results especially at home but by the end of October teams had sussed us out and we had started to come unstuck.

We then changed to a more counter attack of 4-3-3 and that got results, again teams wised up against us, especially at home and what we should of done was have a variation for how we played, horses for courses and all that but instead we tried to persist with it regardless.

The key to both those formations and styles was who was available and at times, when we didnt have key players available which made those formations and styles work, we persisted anyway, again i think that is a mistake of a rookie coach but given time you hope he would learn.

Things like playing out from the back, only the players know the instructions, but if you want to play passing football, defenders also have to be part of that, you cant just hoof it and say we will play football in the final 3rd as you soon get sussed out.

There comes a point where the player has to use their common sense and decision making for themselves when to pass it and when to clear the lines, we seem to overdo the passing and we will see in the future if that is a coaching thing or if the players just doesnt make good decisions.

We have scored plenty of goals but at times the football has been quite pedestrian but again i think that is more down to the type of players we have than anything else. Out the teams above us both Leeds and Norwich have younger, hungrier and energetic squads that can play a more dynamic way of football. (Sheffield Uniteds team is different but they have a unique style which has been developed over a few years and they have a winning mentality after being promoted and having a decent season last year)

We dont have the players to play dynamic and energetic football, The spine of our team, Defenders - Dawson, Bartley and Hegazi are carthorses at this level, Midfielders - Barry, Brunt, Livermore, Hoolahan, Morrison and Field dont have a turn of pace between them, Johansen seems to fall into that catergory too though may be too early to judge. This doesnt make them bad players as most are good footballers but they are not young fit energetic players and most never have been, the problem we have is we seem to have is we have a lot of the same type of player, again maybe that was one of Moores mistakes, sticking with that type of player instead of revamping it in the summer.

In the spine of our team, there is only Harper a 19 year old kid who has played less than 10 games and Phillips who has numerous injury problems who have had any pace and energy in our centre midfield, but the championship is played at 100mph, even teams at the bottom of the league play with more tempo than us because we dont have the players to play that.

We have to find a system and style suited to what we have, the problem with that is that there are high expectations from the fans and you only have to see at home games how people get frustrated when we do play a slow tempo, we then panic and tend to force things which often leads to nothing.

We have pace at full back and out wide but any team worth their salt forces us to play inside because they know we dont have any legs to break from defence or midfield.

Tosin at left back was a one off painful lesson learnt, the Brunt in centre midfield experiment was changed within a few months. If Gayle is playing we do need to get him down the middle as without Barnes the 3 forwards changing over doesnt work, other than that i dont think the new coach can do much different because we dont have players who can play another way, it will be minor tweaks but the key will be whether the minor tweaks make that much of a difference.

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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2019, 07:28:35 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2019, 07:42:48 PM »
Number 1.  Play Gayle through the centre
Number 2.  Play Tosin at CH NEVER at fullback.
Number 3.  Thank CBrunt / JMorrison / GBarry / WHoolahan / KBartley / HRKanu / BMyhill (is Mears still around? If yes add him) for their services and wish them well in the future.
Number 4.  Tell Craig Dawson / J.Livermore and J Rodriguez that any acceptable offer will be considered VERY seriously
Number 5.  Tell A. Hegazi / K.Gibbs / M.Phillips that they are key to the future of the club and we want to build a young, dynamic side around them
Number 6.  Ask Everton if we can sign M.Holgate to add to the others in Number 5.
Number 7.  Tell Gayle / Montero / Murphy / Johansen that there may be a role for them, but we are taking into account age (DG) / fitness / attitude etc into account and if not exemplary we will not pursue any loan extension / contract negotiations
Number 8.  Tell ALL the kids that they have a chance to grab a place and a career next season, its all in their hands

I think that will do for now.

This for me 100% and a lot mor movement throughout the teams play, on and off the ball, as we have been truly shocking this season, in this aspect.
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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2019, 04:52:26 AM »
I have given up in disgust. Nothing will change until we are rid of Lai.

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« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2019, 11:38:19 AM »
Leadership has been awful from Lai who hasn't even had the decency to address the fans since relegation. We can thank Peace for lining his greedy stay away pockets and starting the rot and then selling to Lai and recommending Williams.
Darren Moore had a unifying effect around the club but now he's gone, it's going to be difficult to replicate. Many fans feel alienated by the money men running our club and their poor decisions. Why not give Moore until the international break if there's no one lined up? He deserved a chance to complete the season at least even though I fear we would have slipped away. I assumed someone would have been lined up, have a chance to assess the squad in the remaining games and make the necessary changes in the summer but it looks like the clowns don't have a plan yet again.

I'd like Lai to sell up and an influx of young hungry players who want to be here. Get rid of the Pulis era deadwood and reboot whatever division we're in.

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« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2019, 12:33:31 AM »
Well things certainly changed with Shan tonight. We pressed high up and we didn't keep playing short. Good to see Gayle in a more central role.

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« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2019, 12:38:50 AM »
most of the squad next season please

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« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2019, 12:45:54 AM »
Well things certainly changed with Shan tonight. We pressed high up and we didn't keep playing short. Good to see Gayle in a more central role.


We didn't. We played a five man midfield, retreated and allowed them possession at the back. We played very much like the away side. We're all happy tonight and relieved that we got a win at home at long last but too many of that type of performance and people will start moaning again and rightly so. I do not like that type of football at home. Away yes, fine, but not at home. We had this under Pulis.

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« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2019, 12:59:39 PM »
most of the squad next season please

We're not going to have much choice about that one mate.

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« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2019, 01:23:36 PM »

We didn't. We played a five man midfield, retreated and allowed them possession at the back. We played very much like the away side. We're all happy tonight and relieved that we got a win at home at long last but too many of that type of performance and people will start moaning again and rightly so. I do not like that type of football at home. Away yes, fine, but not at home. We had this under Pulis.

When their defence has the ball and we close them down, that's pressing high up the field. We didn't sit back with two rows of players 5 yards apart on our own 18 yd box and wait for them to attack, like we've been doing under DM. Plenty of times Livermore, Jrod and Gayle chased the ball down which forced Swansea to either pass back to their GK or hoof a ball long. I agree we had 5 in midfield at times when we lost possession, but the main time this was noticed was at the start of the second half when Swansea came out to try and control the game, which you'd expect any team who are trailing to do.

And IMO this football is absolutely nothing like under Pulis. We pressed on to score more goals, we didn't sit back and defend the 1 goal.

Another thing I noticed was we were challenging and winning more aerial balls than under DM. Positives all round.