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« Reply #100 on: March 10, 2019, 05:32:28 AM »
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« Reply #101 on: March 10, 2019, 06:34:32 AM »
I have no more definite knowledge than anyone else on this subject but Graham Potter might be worth considering.
He was suggested by some in the summer because of his record in Sweden?and he is an ex Albion player.
He made a slow start at Swansea but to be fair a lot of players were sold or went on loan but they have shown a noticeable improvement lately perhaps because his ideas have now been implanted.
On Friday they were unfortunate to lose at Norwich and could have won playing good football.
If I am right we should see evidence in Wednesday's match.Lets wait and see.

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« Reply #102 on: March 10, 2019, 07:03:35 AM »
If we want someone in by Wednesday which is what the express and star are saying then I really doubt it’s going to be anyone already in a job .


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« Reply #103 on: March 10, 2019, 07:13:41 AM »
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« Reply #104 on: March 10, 2019, 07:17:00 AM »
Jokanovic is the best roll of the dice for me right now. If not Jokanovic then Allardyce.

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« Reply #105 on: March 10, 2019, 07:54:55 AM »
Jankanovic or Lee Jonhson for me, been very impressed with bristol this season, play good football, and has built a good solid exciting young team

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« Reply #106 on: March 10, 2019, 07:59:13 AM »
I don't see Bristol City releasing Johnson while they are still on for the playoffs.
As others have said I would expect an out of work manager to be named.

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« Reply #107 on: March 10, 2019, 08:18:28 AM »
It will 100% be someone out of work , what club is going to let their manager go at this stage of the season?

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« Reply #108 on: March 10, 2019, 08:22:04 AM »
I reckon they do and an imminent appointment before the Swansea match

Preferring is one thing.  Landing them is another

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« Reply #109 on: March 10, 2019, 08:25:02 AM »
It will 100% be someone out of work , what club is going to let their manager go at this stage of the season?

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« Reply #110 on: March 10, 2019, 08:26:49 AM »
It’s not the Albion way to pay compensation for a manager. So, imo, rule out anyone already in a job.

I also believe Jenkins trip to China last week was to discuss parting company with Darren and putting his replacement name forward, who I think is just waiting in the wings to be presented on Monday as the new head coach, I just hope it’s Jokanovic
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« Reply #111 on: March 10, 2019, 08:29:10 AM »
Mark Hughes 22/1 and Aitor Karanka 20/1 are both worth a flutter IMO.

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« Reply #112 on: March 10, 2019, 08:31:10 AM »
Karanka would be a horrible appointment, back to Pulis football.

Only available option that makes sense is Jokanovic.

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« Reply #113 on: March 10, 2019, 08:38:29 AM »
Harry's out of the jungle now isn't he? :-X

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« Reply #114 on: March 10, 2019, 08:41:15 AM »
Harry's out of the jungle now isn't he? :-X

So are Dec and Holly, and I know who I would sooner have out of that trio  :D
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« Reply #115 on: March 10, 2019, 08:51:36 AM »
Wagner ruled himself out on sky sports news this morning , said he wants to wait till the summer to find a job

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« Reply #116 on: March 10, 2019, 08:56:47 AM »
Actions speak louder than words so anybody expecting an appointment with a view to building and developing a style, promoting youngsters, introducing more attractive football is going to be disappointed.

We have shown that isnt going to happen, its all about now, the premier league gravy train is the only place our owners want to be so all the above stuff goes out the window.

At the first sign of trouble we have acted and sacked a manager, from April 18 to March 19, Moore has been in charge for 10 months (not including preseason period) we have had one real bad period in that time and that was the last six weeks, until then despite how terrible we supposedly were we have been top 3 with a chance to go top as of two weeks ago.

Bristol City stuck with Johnson, Norwich stuck with Farke, they showed patience and Norwich certainly are reaping the benefits, we have shown that we are going for a different approach and will not be running our club that way so any manager coming in will have to know its hit the ground running and be aware they are under pressure and any bad period leads to the sack right away, that will put off a lot of decent managers, it will appeal to others because we are a nice cashpoint the way we get through managers nowadays.

We may as well say to a Mick McCarthy or Big Sam, get us up and there is a massive bonus for you at the end of the season, no point looking much longer term than that.

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« Reply #117 on: March 10, 2019, 09:12:38 AM »
I always look forward to your posts. They’re thought through, rarely knee-jerked based, and interesting to read. I’m hoping you’re a tad emotional now, and will have clearer thoughts come breakfast time. Hopefully obscurity isn’t still on the menu. Chin up! Interesting times ahead.  :D

Just finished breakfast. Still raging. Specifically "long term project" is adding insult to injury since January 2014 we have had 5 permanent Head Coaches

Pepe Mel  17 games
Alan Irvine 22 games
Tony Pulis 121 games
Alan Pardew 21 games
Darren Moore 38 games

They last an average of roughly 40 games stripping out Pulis it is down to less than 30. The only thing that looks like a long term project was Pulis and frankly we are still recovering from it.

We keep firing Head Coaches and installing a new one often with a competely different style of play (or in Pardew's case no style of play) and after the initial bounce we regress and fire the coach. Brunt and Morrison will be on their 9th coach when we appoint the next poor sod. If either player extends their stay at the club they will probably get to double figures by the end of next season. The last one to resign was Hodgson. 

Moore was a long term project or at least should have been viewed as such. If you appoint a Head Coach who is inexperineced give him an almighty task to sort out and very little support (i.e. DOF not appointed until after the season started) then you have to take the rough with the smooth.

So who among the runners and riders is the next long term project?

Forget anyone who is in employment for this decision to have any logic someone has to appointed almost instantly.

Slaviša Jokanović has had almost as many clubs as we have had managers. He took Watford up but failed to agree a contract extention joined Tel Aviv that summer and was Fulham's manager by Christmas. His reign at Fulham had a constant soundtrack of discontent with him being reported on the verge of quitting on numerous occasions. This is not a long term project it is a quick fix until the next crisis or a better offer comes along. 

David Wagner sorry scratch him just seen that he has ruled himself out (smart guy)

Michael Appleton Yes in theory but won't be seen as good enough by the fans who will be 3 games away from them turning and he then becomes the next victim.

Hughes/Redknapp/Allaydyce/Moyes Saints preserve us best leave that lot on the pundits couch even if they could be lured to a Championship club.

There is no logic to this decision if there is it is purely to get a result across the next 10/12 games the one thing it isn't is a long term project.

Oh for those moaning about us not buying out the contract of managers currently in employment really what is the point? We are going to fire them probably before their contract at their old club expired anyway.
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« Reply #118 on: March 10, 2019, 09:16:07 AM »
Knowing The Albion, Shand will win on Wedneasday and land the job until the end of the season so that we can save 50p
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« Reply #119 on: March 10, 2019, 09:22:58 AM »
Just finished breakfast. Still raging. Specifically "long term project" is adding insult to injury since January 2014 we have had 5 permanent Head Coaches

Pepe Mel  17 games
Alan Irvine 22 games
Tony Pulis 121 games
Alan Pardew 21 games
Darren Moore 38 games

They last an average of roughly 40 games stripping out Pulis it is down to less than 30. The only thing that looks like a long term project was Pulis and frankly we are still recovering from it.

We keep firing Head Coaches and installing a new one often with a competely different style of play (or in Pardew's case no style of play) and after the initial bounce we regress and fire the coach. Brunt and Morrison will be on their 9th coach when we appoint the next poor sod. If either player extends their stay at the club they will probably get to double figures by the end of next season. The last one to resign was Hodgson. 

Moore was a long term project or at least should have been viewed as such. If you appoint a Head Coach who is inexperineced give him an almighty task to sort out and very little support (i.e. DOF not appointed until after the season started) then you have to take the rough with the smooth.

So who among the runners and riders is the next long term project?

Forget anyone who is in employment for this decision to have any logic someone has to appointed almost instantly.

Slaviša Jokanović has had almost as many clubs as we have had managers. He took Watford up but failed to agree a contract extention joined Tel Aviv that summer and was Fulham's manager by Christmas. His reign at Fulham had a constant soundtrack of discontent with him being reported on the verge of quitting on numerous occasions. This is not a long term project it is a quick fix until the next crisis or a better offer comes along. 

David Wagner sorry scratch him just seen that he has ruled himself out (smart guy)

Michael Appleton Yes in theory but won't be seen as good enough by the fans who will be 3 games away from them turning and he then becomes the next victim.

Hughes/Redknapp/Allaydyce/Moyes Saints preserve us best leave that lot on the pundits couch even if they could be lured to a Championship club.

There is no logic to this decision if there is it is purely to get a result across the next 10/12 games the one thing it isn't is a long term project.

I agree with all of that except don’t discard Moyes - the best of the “experienced” bunch, with only a failure at Sunderland (a true basket case) on his CV.  Better managers than him have failed at United, and he did a good job at West Ham on a 6-month contract.   

Jokanovic may well be the number one choice, but are we sure that this squad can play his style of football?  I’m not sure that he’d get us up this season, and I’m not sure that he would get the required summer backing to oversee a rebuild.

There’s a lot to be said for appointing the right man to try to get us up this season from this position, give them a big bonus if they succeed, but with no
promise of a new contract even if they succeed. Then sit down in May and decide who is the best person to do the job that is then required.  If that means Moyse or Allardyce or McCarthy until May, then that may well be the most sensible appointment right now.



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« Reply #120 on: March 10, 2019, 09:35:18 AM »
Unfortunately the long term project is just a romantic fictional utopia in journalist land., very very few managers outside of the Premier League get time to totally mould a team. I felt at the time , and nothing that I have seen or heard since has altered this, was that DM was the cheap option whilst being a sop to a pretty aggrieved fanbase. He may well have had the respect of the younger players but was as long time picking them. Tactically he was at best naive so who replaces him.?
   Ironic that the 2 most likely to gain promotion THIS season would be the most unpalatable to the majority of fans , namely Allardyce and Moyes, the romantics would probably take Jovanovich, the pragmatists Karanka. My preferred option would be Clarke but time and compo are the enemy so I would probably settle for Moyes in the short term and see where it takes us . Not the best of forward planning but in this day and age looking to far ahead is something for fairyland , sad but true !
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« Reply #121 on: March 10, 2019, 09:43:12 AM »
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There is no logic to this decision if there is it is purely to get a result across the next 10/12 games the one thing it isn't is a long term project.
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This is what it is all about for me!
There has been growing discontent with supporters & probably the board (& quite likely the players as well). The board are gambling on regaining some momentum to continue through to the play offs and a chance of promotion. They've rolled the dice.
I am gutted that Darren and his vision for the club has now gone - sincere thanks Big Fella!

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« Reply #122 on: March 10, 2019, 09:44:08 AM »
Think it will be Moyes or Big Sam on short term deal, looks like owners are in panic mode which suggests they over stretched their finances. Big banks in China want their money back.

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« Reply #123 on: March 10, 2019, 09:45:45 AM »
Just have to say, with our owners seemingly reluctant to want to spend big money, why on earth would Allardyce or Moyes come to us?

I think Allardyce got promoted once about four years ago with West Ham and before that was about fifteen years ago with Bolton and i am not sure Moyes has ever got promotion from the championship? So neither are specialists in this league which seems to be criteria.

And why on earth would they stake their national reputations on a basket case club who are being portrayed in the media as a joke? They can both get far better jobs than West Brom.

They will only get a big pay day if they get promoted and as their experience suggests, the championship isnt their forte.

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« Reply #124 on: March 10, 2019, 09:47:50 AM »
Unfortunately the long term project is just a romantic fictional utopia in journalist land., very very few managers outside of the Premier League get time to totally mould a team. I felt at the time , and nothing that I have seen or heard since has altered this, was that DM was the cheap option whilst being a sop to a pretty aggrieved fanbase. He may well have had the respect of the younger players but was as long time picking them. Tactically he was at best naive so who replaces him.?
   Ironic that the 2 most likely to gain promotion THIS season would be the most unpalatable to the majority of fans , namely Allardyce and Moyes, the romantics would probably take Jovanovich, the pragmatists Karanka. My preferred option would be Clarke but time and compo are the enemy so I would probably settle for Moyes in the short term and see where it takes us . Not the best of forward planning but in this day and age looking to far ahead is something for fairyland , sad but true !

The compo issue is an odd one.  The club will happily spunk £1m on wages for half a season for geriatrics like Mears and Hoolahan who we didn’t need, but will baulk at paying compo to a little club like Kilmarnock (if he was our preferred option).  The club is very shortsighted on these things.