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« Reply #2325 on: December 08, 2018, 04:10:52 PM »
I’ve been saying for the last 2 months that the midfield wasn’t mobile enough.  We’ve been better with Morrison but for me we’ve got some tough decisions to make in January or June.  We need to decide what we do with Brunt, Hoolanhan, Barry and possibly Livermore and Morrison. 

I reckon we’ll get away with it against the lesser sides as our overall quality should tell.  The teams we play with greater quality will punish us (certainly if we get promoted).

The other point i’ll make is that if Sako and Burke aren’t utilised over a hectic Xmas then surely they’ll be surplus to requirements too?

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« Reply #2326 on: December 08, 2018, 05:43:36 PM »
We have a few quality players but a poor squad (despite what the media says). Moore needs to be backed in January. A right back and 2 younger centre midfielders with energy (box to box) are vital. A new goalie might be good too ;)
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« Reply #2327 on: December 08, 2018, 08:20:17 PM »
I’ve been saying for the last 2 months that the midfield wasn’t mobile enough.  We’ve been better with Morrison but for me we’ve got some tough decisions to make in January or June.  We need to decide what we do with Brunt, Hoolanhan, Barry and possibly Livermore and Morrison. 

I reckon we’ll get away with it against the lesser sides as our overall quality should tell.  The teams we play with greater quality will punish us (certainly if we get promoted).

The other point i’ll make is that if Sako and Burke aren’t utilised over a hectic Xmas then surely they’ll be surplus to requirements too?

Hoolahan will be released. Sako seems a strange one because he hasn't even had a go. Might as well get rid of him too. Barry will be released come summer regardless of division and possibly Brunt if we're going to continue with 433.

Mears should be released on the basis we're going to sign a good right back whose going straight into the first 11.

Kids need to go out on loan; leko Edwards field etc. Although if hoolahan is released and Burke gets shipped out maybe Edwards will get a go.
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« Reply #2328 on: December 08, 2018, 11:44:48 PM »
This seems like a circular argument. On the one hand we do have the one of the better squads in the Championship and possibly Moore could be getting better results out of it although we are a bit off the automatic places we have spent most of the season in the top 6. After the dislocation of relegation that is better than a lot of relegated teams have managed in recent seasons.

I honestly cannot see how posters can be seriously suggest that we should be replacing him
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« Reply #2329 on: December 09, 2018, 12:47:47 AM »
This next transfer window is possibly the most important of recent times.

It will show us the owners intentions and the recruitment skills of the new team of LD and Co and their knowledge and connections.

If the right players are brought in then we can push for top 2, but if they aren't then we will be lucky to scrape into the top 6.

Fingers crossed we'll be a much more handyside by the time we play the vile next time.


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« Reply #2330 on: December 10, 2018, 08:55:11 AM »
People have been complaining about Darren Moore's use of substitutes this season, quite rightly at times, but his decision to bring Brunt on on Friday certainly influenced the game. It was his pass that led to the cross for the equaliser.

We went 4-2-4 chasing the equaliser on Friday (Brunt and Barry in midfield, Barnes left, Burke right, JRod and Gayle through the middle) - again a Darren Moore decision which paid off. Phillips pushed further forward as the game went on and in the end played as an attacking right back and it was he who provided the cross for the hand of Rod goal.

Well done Darren.

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« Reply #2331 on: December 11, 2018, 08:12:32 AM »
Anyone know how many player's have started for us this year must be the fewest in league

We've started every game with 11 players on the pitch, same as every other club in the league! :D

There are 13 teams that have used less players than us. Rotherham have used the fewest with 21, Ipswich have used the most at 28, we are pretty much slap bang in the middle, as Hunnington Baggie has said, with 24 players used so far. Bolton, Bristol City, Leeds and Forest have also all used 24 players so far.

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« Reply #2332 on: December 11, 2018, 11:58:53 AM »
The only way we'll be close to promotion spots or play offs is to invest in at least three players - RB, Centre Mid and Striker. That's if we don't lose any players.

Darren has done well with a good squad but it's not a squad of World beaters. Also, it's very tailored for defensive work whilst he's tried to open us up a bit more - Remember Pepe Mel's attempt at this (amongst others) !

I'm not exactly buzzing at the moment but if we bring in a few players in January who can make a difference with extra legs and quality, then who knows, we might be up there. I personally think a play off place would be a good achievement this year, provided there are signs we're building and not just living year to year as we have done in the past few years................

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« Reply #2333 on: December 15, 2018, 05:02:55 AM »
To think some thought Darren was clueless and wanted him gone

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« Reply #2334 on: December 15, 2018, 06:30:41 AM »
Moore has been absolutely outstanding. To take on the post Pardew and Pulis shambles, detain key players, change the style of play and get us to where we are is some achievement. We’ve had one blip in form and answered it really strongly which is a great sign. Clearly the squad is a little unbalanced and we need to retain our perky players but also bring in a right back as every time our midfield look out to the right they have to turn back in because Tosin is staying too deep (Not a criticism of him).

But well done Moore.

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« Reply #2335 on: December 15, 2018, 09:34:22 AM »
He's doing a fantastic job.

There are some people that want him out it's absolutely mind blowing. That's football fans I suppose.

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« Reply #2336 on: December 15, 2018, 10:01:45 AM »
A coach finding out if he has what it takes to be a manager, doing pretty well so far if you ask me - not very comfortable in front of the mic so he falls back on cliches a bit, but at least he isn't driven by ego like the last two specimins we had.  Now for the Xmas congestion/FA Cup, see what he makes of that.

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« Reply #2337 on: December 15, 2018, 12:16:25 PM »
Think we were very poor up until goal last night and with back four looking shaky again, goals change games and how true that was for us. Why wait till half time to tweak tactics that should be done during game, only tactics I saw was to let Sheffield United run themselves into ground. Two gripes I have with coaching staff was one why put our best finisher out on wing to accommodate anonymous Rodriguez and two with 5 games coming up in fifteen days why wasn't bench utilised.

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« Reply #2338 on: December 15, 2018, 12:34:34 PM »
He's done very well so far. He's a rookie still let's remember.  He has to continue rebuilding whilst getting results which is a very tough task.

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« Reply #2339 on: December 15, 2018, 01:23:00 PM »
Think we were very poor up until goal last night and with back four looking shaky again, goals change games and how true that was for us. Why wait till half time to tweak tactics that should be done during game, only tactics I saw was to let Sheffield United run themselves into ground. Two gripes I have with coaching staff was one why put our best finisher out on wing to accommodate anonymous Rodriguez and two with 5 games coming up in fifteen days why wasn't bench utilised.

The bench is terrible and I have not seen such game management from us ever away from home it was that good in the second half last night so why change it?

DM is doing a stellar job with an incredibly bad hand, where everyone has left in the summer and he and Jenkins were doing it all. Then "trusted" Albion fan Cutler jumped at the first opportunity and it's been chopping and changing all along.

Hopefully, we have now begun to settle and the recruitment of LD and IP will have us advance.

The next window is probably the most important in our history.

We don't have to spend millions but we need to bring players in.

When I would consider is Harrison Reed on loan at Blackburn and see if Southampton want to sell or at the very least if his loan move to Blackburn is season long.


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« Reply #2340 on: December 15, 2018, 01:59:59 PM »
The second half last night and the Leeds game are the only two times we've looked great this season. I've read opposition forums after every game and Sheff Utd/Leeds are the only two where we've been particularly praised, matching my opinion on all of our performances to date. Even QPR fans could see we weren't all that after we beat them 7-1, which I'd also agree with.

I still have little confidence in Moore and he will have to do a lot more that steer the best team in the league to 3rd with 1 clean sheet in 22 for that to change. That still doesn't mean I won't praise him when he gets things right (e.g. not bringing subs on after we took the lead yesterday because we were comfortable.).

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« Reply #2341 on: December 15, 2018, 02:36:10 PM »
Strange that we occasionally criticise Darren for his subs, but let’s be fair he is still learning his craft. Not so long ago when we were all done and dusted a certain chap would bring on Gardner..... that went well didn’t it...so when we have a go at Darren let’s remember a chap with a lot of experience sometimes got it wrong
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« Reply #2342 on: December 15, 2018, 04:02:49 PM »
Strange that we occasionally criticise Darren for his subs, but let’s be fair he is still learning his craft. Not so long ago when we were all done and dusted a certain chap would bring on Gardner..... that went well didn’t it...so when we have a go at Darren let’s remember a chap with a lot of experience sometimes got it wrong

I criticise him for lack of subs most weeks because it is detrimental to the team. It was blindingly obvious that Morrison was knackered after we took the lead against Brentford, Moore left him on and Morrison was at fault for the equaliser because he couldn't close down quick enough. Last night we were all over Sheff Utd after we scored and closed the game out perfectly, there was no need for a substitution so kudos to Darren for that.

As for Pulis, I was one of his biggest critics on here. Totally outdated dinosaur of a manager who is currently being found out at Middlesbrough. There are a lot of head coaches I'd swap Moore for, Pulis isn't one of them.
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« Reply #2343 on: December 15, 2018, 04:10:14 PM »
I do think it's a bit contradictory to complain about the number of fixtures while not making subs in games like last night.  If we'd swapped Jrod for Sakho, would that have made much difference to the result? I doubt it.  It would have given Jrod some rest and Sakho a run out though.

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« Reply #2344 on: December 15, 2018, 05:26:56 PM »
The obsession with substitutions (relating to Moore) is strange. Our bench is poor, I don't see loads of options. After 20 minutes last night half of the fans wanted Barry subbed off and he was man of the match :)

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« Reply #2345 on: December 15, 2018, 06:29:09 PM »
Think we were very poor up until goal last night and with back four looking shaky again, goals change games and how true that was for us. Why wait till half time to tweak tactics that should be done during game, only tactics I saw was to let Sheffield United run themselves into ground. Two gripes I have with coaching staff was one why put our best finisher out on wing to accommodate anonymous Rodriguez and two with 5 games coming up in fifteen days why wasn't bench utilised.

A tactic that worked well by all accounts.....

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« Reply #2346 on: December 15, 2018, 09:28:22 PM »
The bench is terrible and I have not seen such game management from us ever away from home it was that good in the second half last night so why change it?

DM is doing a stellar job with an incredibly bad hand, where everyone has left in the summer and he and Jenkins were doing it all. Then "trusted" Albion fan Cutler jumped at the first opportunity and it's been chopping and changing all along.

Hopefully, we have now begun to settle and the recruitment of LD and IP will have us advance.

The next window is probably the most important in our history.

We don't have to spend millions but we need to bring players in.

When I would consider is Harrison Reed on loan at Blackburn and see if Southampton want to sell or at the very least if his loan move to Blackburn is season long.

Totally agree on Harrison Reed he is exactly what we need thought he had a very good game for Blackburn at our place

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« Reply #2347 on: December 15, 2018, 11:40:07 PM »
The second half last night and the Leeds game are the only two times we've looked great this season. I've read opposition forums after every game and Sheff Utd/Leeds are the only two where we've been particularly praised, matching my opinion on all of our performances to date. Even QPR fans could see we weren't all that after we beat them 7-1, which I'd also agree with.

I still have little confidence in Moore and he will have to do a lot more that steer the best team in the league to 3rd with 1 clean sheet in 22 for that to change. That still doesn't mean I won't praise him when he gets things right (e.g. not bringing subs on after we took the lead yesterday because we were comfortable.).

Did I read that correct 7-1 isn't a great performance?

Doesn't matter the form of the other side 7-1 is always great.

And our squad is not the best squad Iin the div imo.

I think Stoke and vile's are better.

Stoke spent over £50m and only really lost shaqiri. Our bench is terrible and we have not got a rb.

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« Reply #2348 on: December 16, 2018, 12:35:17 AM »
I watched the game on TV with a live twitter stream going and it was funny to watch the crescendo of tweets gathering from about 70 minutes for a substitution, obviously none were made nothing bad happened and everyone forgot how terrible it was  that Darren hadn't made a sub until he bought Chris Brunt on in the dying minutes of the game. 

I find the substitution debate amusing. I suspect that in general the significance of substitutions is greatly exaggerated because it is a fairly easy narrative. Substitute comes on scores goal (maybe even the scruffiest in the history of scruffy goals) manager is a genius or alternatively player comes on gives goal away manager is an idiot. That is seldom ever the case but it is something pundits and commentators can burble on about without much thought and attribute praise or blame.
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« Reply #2349 on: December 16, 2018, 09:51:08 PM »
Club legend and fantastic person,but please lets be honest a football manager he is not,it will all end in tears,we still have no cohesion or fluidity to our play,we totally rely on individual moments of brilliance and Harvey Barnes,with someone like Dean Smith in charge we would be 10 points clear,the ridiculous 3 at the back play it out experiment cost us many points and ground,the subsitutions aren't great or just don't happen,ie taking off Barnes at boro,keeping Morrison on so long he cant close down,apart from Leeds and Qpr,we really haven't been very good at all,im not sure what is happening on the training ground