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General Football & Sports / Re: Are The Pack of Cards About to Fall??
« on: August 28, 2019, 11:45:50 AM »
Tend to agree with the essence of your post, however, we really can’t have badly run clubs subsidised by a loyal community or asset stripping vultures.
The Football league have to be more diligent with their ‘due diligence’

I dread to think the consequences of the Premier league finances collapsing!? mind I’ve been suggesting this scenario for sometime and the PL band wagon rolls on.

Agreed, I think here that where a club goes bankrupt, a group of fans should have the option of purchasing the club at minimal cost and free of debt- This is possible with the right legislation and could be reinforced by local councils refusing any change of permission so the ground could not have housing built on it. A very sad day for football.  There have been times when I thought we might head in the same direction.

General Football & Sports / Re: Are The Pack of Cards About to Fall??
« on: August 27, 2019, 12:37:57 PM »
Wasn’t that long ago Bolton were a resident of said greed league
Where’s the fathead dingle Sam now...not heard a whimper
Where’s jay jay okocha and Campo throwing some money back?

It may sound cruel but if they fold it won’t bother me, nobody else but 5hemselves to blame

Disagree.  Football clubs are a massive community asset, and closing down the likes of Bolton or Bury will be a loss as big as ours would be if the Albion were to close.... and that would be awful. 

General Football & Sports / Re: Are The Pack of Cards About to Fall??
« on: August 26, 2019, 08:52:48 PM »
Over the last forty years a number of league clubs have come close to failure, but very few have actually failed.  Maidstone is the only one I know of which was in the football league and failed in the last twenty years.  Prior to that Accrington Stanley (who came back to life eventually), and Bradford Park Avenue (also now back in some form.  Most clubs go to the brink and then back.  However,  normal business rules apply to football clubs as they do to any other business.  Rack up massive debts which your cashflow cannot cover the interest on, and you will go bust.  In recent years, clubs such as Leeds appear to have played fast and loose with insolvency rules and still managed to stay intact.  Partially this is because no business, or HMRC wishes to be responsible for taking down a club with social importance in its own area  However, patience is waring thin, and at some stage it is likely that a club will disappear with no buyer being found.

General Football & Sports / Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« on: August 23, 2019, 10:19:38 AM »
In some respects it pains me to say this, but Wolves look a good premiership team with a quite decent squad and decent attacking football to watch.  Compared to us the lows (near bankruptcy, lower leagues even in recent times and shoddy owners), have been lower, but the highs have been higher as well.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: August 17, 2019, 05:40:03 PM »
I agree to an extent, the first half was poor in parts and flat with no real penetration. The good news is that it's still not our best 11 with Hegazi, Austin and one of Diangana/Perreira to probably start more often so I wouldn't get too worried.

Good thinking. I just need us to start defending better than we have been.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: August 17, 2019, 05:19:33 PM »
sorry to be a bit negative here.  We did come back well, but after some comedy defending for their goal, and for portions of the first half I thought that we made Luton look like Brazil.  We are Albion and we will need to do much better than this if we are to do well in this league.... admit I am grumpy but welcome more positive thoughts.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: August 17, 2019, 08:50:16 AM »
I am not sure this will be easy.  We are still setting up as a team and Luton will be well drilled.  We could do with a confidence boosting win here, but I think we will struggle in the final third again, but still get over the line.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Recap so far
« on: August 16, 2019, 10:00:52 PM »
Come on folks, we are only two games in and we have made some really good new purchases, so we should be hopeful.  I admit that our two games at home have not exactly been classics, but it is far to early to start writing players off or starting to panic.  If we are still having these issues ten games in then time to worry.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: August 09, 2019, 04:17:07 PM »
At the outset I would see us coming out on top, but we should be mindful around getting over confident.  Going into this match Milwall have nothing to loose and anything they get is a bonus, so I would not expect this to be overly simple. 

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Team
« on: August 09, 2019, 07:55:07 AM »
Tempting as it might be to overhaul the team I would stick largely to the starting eleven against Forest. We can then make changes for the cup matches having checked fitness levels and seen how the players jel together.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Jonathan Leko
« on: August 08, 2019, 10:11:35 AM »
I think Leko has real potential for us.  Might benefit from a loan, but from what I have seen some of the comments here are just wrong.  If we let him go, he will come back and haunt us...

General Football & Sports / Re: Saido Berahino
« on: August 08, 2019, 10:03:41 AM »
He would not want to come back to us, given the manner of his departure.  Personally hope he can get his career and life back on track. He could have been marvellous for us, but those days are long gone.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chris Brunt
« on: August 03, 2019, 10:02:50 PM »
It is fair to say that Brunt's best days might be behind him, but he has been a marvellous servant to this club, and even now, he is one of the best crossers of football in the game, so I think he still deserves a squad place.  When he goes though, it will be as one of our best players in modern times in my humble opinion.

General Football & Sports / Re: Saido Berahino
« on: July 07, 2019, 10:46:56 AM »
Even if you take a player on a pay to play, he takes a place that might be open to others- a youth team member for example.  You also need to consider the impact on morale within the club as a whole.  As I recall there is no love lost amongst senior squad members for Saido-JM punched his lights out once I seem to recall.  The impact in my view would be toxic.  This is all before assessing the risks of a further drug or other scandal, the chances of which are pretty high in my view.  So to earlier points, good luck Saido, but whatever you do next it will not be at the Hawthorns please.

General Football & Sports / Re: Women's World Cup
« on: June 28, 2019, 11:21:49 AM »
Have to say I am enjoying these matches.  The players are talented, they play with passion and they do not (generally) role around on the floor for ten minutes every time they get tackled.  Third goal last night was truly world class.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Louie Barry
« on: June 25, 2019, 10:29:09 AM »
Another few years with us and it have the potential to be win win.  He develops, goes into the first team at a major club and we receive the remuneration we deserve.  I think we need a system where players cannot be poached until they are 21, and where we have the opportunity from 16 onwards to formulate a better deal?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: June 17, 2019, 02:56:50 PM »
Think that's a bit unfair, he did a decent job, just didn't quite have that extra bit of oomph. If I were to put together a list of chyte managers he would be nowhere near the top.
Hope he gets the chance to continue his managerial career and is a huge success.

Absolutely, we have had some shocking managers over the years. Even relatively recently remember Brian Little prior to Megson- A tenure that so nearly took us into League One.  That was only nine years ago.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: June 17, 2019, 12:39:52 PM »
Love Big Dave who was a great player for us and an inspiration in the dressing room.  However, I am not surprised we sacked him.  I was there at the Ipswich match and the couple before where it was clear that the team had hugely lost momentum.  The passing was dreadful, the confidence low, and we made Ipswich look like Brazil.  At that stage of the season, we did not look like we would make the playoffs, let along go up.  So we parted company with our Manager.  It then came as a surprise that we had no real idea what we were going to do next. 

DM's appointment in the first place was in my view cynical.  He had some development to do before taking up the role, and would have been better as a strong assistant to a new coach, or going out to manage in League one before coming back to us.  However, appointing DM allowed the Board to blame him when it went wrong, and to deflect blame for what I am increasingly seeing as a Board with no clear strategy on how to run the club.  I was always a fan of Peace, where I understood exactly what and why he did things. 

Given he has lost money, why does a Chinese investor maintain s stake in a Backcountry club to which he has no historic connection?  I am not clear personally, and I do not think it will last or end well.  However, I live in hope (though not expectation).

I hope to be proved hopelessly wrong, but it is not clear why Mr Lai purchased WBA in the first place.  Peace had maximised the value, growing the club in value over his tenure (albeit on a very conservative basis).  Mr Lai therefore is not able to drive the same return from the asset, he has no natural connection to the club, and  for him it has limited value as a vanity asset.  So where does this leave us? Most likely outcome is that we will drift for quite some time in the middle of the championship with limited resources with no great investment and equally no great fall.  This will change only  if the ownership changes.  It is also possible that the owner will look to pull cash out of the club via other means.  For example selling players and paying sizeable dividends as a way of recouping some of the losses incurred (and in   more useable currencies than some of his other assets).  This could prove to be catastrophic and could leave us in the same state as  Coventry or Blackpool. Alternatively, we could learn to become a well run club again and make the premiership at the second time of asking. 

General Football & Sports / Re: Coventry City
« on: June 07, 2019, 04:30:19 PM »
You have to feel sorry for Coventry City and especially their fans; this is what can happen when awful owners decide to cash in by selling the ground for development. I believe that they went from ground owners to tenants, the Club, that is, to then owners danced away with their pockets full of cash. The Ricoh was supposed to be for Coventry City to play football in, plus other events. The Wasps rugby turned up; what the hell are they doing there, a London rugby union club? Football is kicked out while London rugby remains!

I just hope that Lai doesn’t decide to try to recoup his money by selling The Hawthorns. I wouldn’t imagine that he would care one iota about doing that and what we would feel about it.


Hang on a minute.  So far as I am aware, there is not even a remote suggestion that the hawthorns is sold, or Mr Lai suggesting that this should happen.  I agree that I am puzzled why a Chinese business man with no midlands connection or business operations should be interested in WBA, but we need to give him a reasonable chance, he is way off the poor stewardship and gold digging which impacted Coventry.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Rekeem Harper
« on: June 03, 2019, 12:59:33 PM »
A decent agent would be looking to talk up his Albion deal.  That means finding a reference point externally for what he could get paid, hence the talks with other clubs in including in Scotland.  I am not sure a Scottish move would be a great idea or his or his agents preference, even to a very large club.  Better off stopping with us, but only if we pay a decent wage.  The challenge though is with no Manager on board, we have no clear strategy which could help us do this.  So we might lose him and a number of others.

General Football & Sports / Re: Saido Berahino
« on: May 26, 2019, 04:58:24 PM »
Any employer can terminate a contract on grounds of gross misconduct.  The problem in doing this for professional footballers is that in terminating the contract you create a free agent who can then negotiate terms elsewhere, and on which you as a club will not receive compensation.  Dismissal shows that Stoke have considered this potential loss.  And on balance, they think it is worth it to get him off the salary bill.  From Saido's perspective, this shows a further significant fall from grace.  I wosh him well he could have been an Albion great.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« on: May 20, 2019, 12:56:12 PM »
So I did get to see him play for Forest on a couple of occasions.  In their squad he did look good at the time, and clearly Leipzig thought so as well.  In his brief appearances for us I have also seen flashes of good (but not brilliant) play.  Like all footballers he will play on confidence and I can imagine how horrible it must feel to go from hero to being loathed in eighteen months.  We need a coaching team and manager who can get him back to where he was/should be.  If we sell we realise a significant loss which would go straight against profit.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: May 14, 2019, 11:00:25 PM »
Proud of all the lads who stayed on the pitch.  Indiscipline cost us in the playoffs, but over the season as a whole we were not good enough to go up... still feel sick.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: April 21, 2019, 10:38:20 PM »
If people notice... their Goalkeeper  was at fault with all three of ours !
Goalies ay...who'd love them .  :)

Was sat half way between where the ball was struck and the goal.  It was a really good strike and I maintain that any keeper would have struggled. Agree it looks different on the replay, but it was struck really well. 

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