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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Louie Barry - offered 3 year deal.
« on: June 25, 2019, 10:29:09 AM »
Another few years with us and it have the potential to be win win.  He develops, goes into the first team at a major club and we receive the remuneration we deserve.  I think we need a system where players cannot be poached until they are 21, and where we have the opportunity from 16 onwards to formulate a better deal?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: June 17, 2019, 02:56:50 PM »
Think that's a bit unfair, he did a decent job, just didn't quite have that extra bit of oomph. If I were to put together a list of chyte managers he would be nowhere near the top.
Hope he gets the chance to continue his managerial career and is a huge success.

Absolutely, we have had some shocking managers over the years. Even relatively recently remember Brian Little prior to Megson- A tenure that so nearly took us into League One.  That was only nine years ago.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: June 17, 2019, 12:39:52 PM »
Love Big Dave who was a great player for us and an inspiration in the dressing room.  However, I am not surprised we sacked him.  I was there at the Ipswich match and the couple before where it was clear that the team had hugely lost momentum.  The passing was dreadful, the confidence low, and we made Ipswich look like Brazil.  At that stage of the season, we did not look like we would make the playoffs, let along go up.  So we parted company with our Manager.  It then came as a surprise that we had no real idea what we were going to do next. 

DM's appointment in the first place was in my view cynical.  He had some development to do before taking up the role, and would have been better as a strong assistant to a new coach, or going out to manage in League one before coming back to us.  However, appointing DM allowed the Board to blame him when it went wrong, and to deflect blame for what I am increasingly seeing as a Board with no clear strategy on how to run the club.  I was always a fan of Peace, where I understood exactly what and why he did things. 

Given he has lost money, why does a Chinese investor maintain s stake in a Backcountry club to which he has no historic connection?  I am not clear personally, and I do not think it will last or end well.  However, I live in hope (though not expectation).

I hope to be proved hopelessly wrong, but it is not clear why Mr Lai purchased WBA in the first place.  Peace had maximised the value, growing the club in value over his tenure (albeit on a very conservative basis).  Mr Lai therefore is not able to drive the same return from the asset, he has no natural connection to the club, and  for him it has limited value as a vanity asset.  So where does this leave us? Most likely outcome is that we will drift for quite some time in the middle of the championship with limited resources with no great investment and equally no great fall.  This will change only  if the ownership changes.  It is also possible that the owner will look to pull cash out of the club via other means.  For example selling players and paying sizeable dividends as a way of recouping some of the losses incurred (and in   more useable currencies than some of his other assets).  This could prove to be catastrophic and could leave us in the same state as  Coventry or Blackpool. Alternatively, we could learn to become a well run club again and make the premiership at the second time of asking. 

General Football & Sports / Re: Coventry City
« on: June 07, 2019, 04:30:19 PM »
You have to feel sorry for Coventry City and especially their fans; this is what can happen when awful owners decide to cash in by selling the ground for development. I believe that they went from ground owners to tenants, the Club, that is, to then owners danced away with their pockets full of cash. The Ricoh was supposed to be for Coventry City to play football in, plus other events. The Wasps rugby turned up; what the hell are they doing there, a London rugby union club? Football is kicked out while London rugby remains!

I just hope that Lai doesn’t decide to try to recoup his money by selling The Hawthorns. I wouldn’t imagine that he would care one iota about doing that and what we would feel about it.


Hang on a minute.  So far as I am aware, there is not even a remote suggestion that the hawthorns is sold, or Mr Lai suggesting that this should happen.  I agree that I am puzzled why a Chinese business man with no midlands connection or business operations should be interested in WBA, but we need to give him a reasonable chance, he is way off the poor stewardship and gold digging which impacted Coventry.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Rekeem Harper
« on: June 03, 2019, 12:59:33 PM »
A decent agent would be looking to talk up his Albion deal.  That means finding a reference point externally for what he could get paid, hence the talks with other clubs in including in Scotland.  I am not sure a Scottish move would be a great idea or his or his agents preference, even to a very large club.  Better off stopping with us, but only if we pay a decent wage.  The challenge though is with no Manager on board, we have no clear strategy which could help us do this.  So we might lose him and a number of others.

General Football & Sports / Re: Saido Berahino
« on: May 26, 2019, 04:58:24 PM »
Any employer can terminate a contract on grounds of gross misconduct.  The problem in doing this for professional footballers is that in terminating the contract you create a free agent who can then negotiate terms elsewhere, and on which you as a club will not receive compensation.  Dismissal shows that Stoke have considered this potential loss.  And on balance, they think it is worth it to get him off the salary bill.  From Saido's perspective, this shows a further significant fall from grace.  I wosh him well he could have been an Albion great.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« on: May 20, 2019, 12:56:12 PM »
So I did get to see him play for Forest on a couple of occasions.  In their squad he did look good at the time, and clearly Leipzig thought so as well.  In his brief appearances for us I have also seen flashes of good (but not brilliant) play.  Like all footballers he will play on confidence and I can imagine how horrible it must feel to go from hero to being loathed in eighteen months.  We need a coaching team and manager who can get him back to where he was/should be.  If we sell we realise a significant loss which would go straight against profit.

Proud of all the lads who stayed on the pitch.  Indiscipline cost us in the playoffs, but over the season as a whole we were not good enough to go up... still feel sick.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: April 21, 2019, 10:38:20 PM »
If people notice... their Goalkeeper  was at fault with all three of ours !
Goalies ay...who'd love them .  :)

Was sat half way between where the ball was struck and the goal.  It was a really good strike and I maintain that any keeper would have struggled. Agree it looks different on the replay, but it was struck really well. 

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: April 21, 2019, 09:38:46 PM »
Indefensible isn’t it? Harder to let it in than save it. He was in line with the ball. Definitely needs to be dropped. We cannot have a paper bag in goal at this point of the season. For whatever reason he’s lost the plot and must be benched.

Second goal I agree he could have done better with.  The first goal was a screamer, which isn’t clear from the video.  No-one would have stopped it.

Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Extinction Rebellion in London
« on: April 16, 2019, 01:14:05 PM »
Causing criminal damage then the authorities have to use chemicals to remove the graffiti, isn't that the very thing they are protesting about. :o

And blocking the roads will cause more emissions as cars move slower or not at all.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: April 15, 2019, 05:02:37 PM »
As I said at the time of DM's appointment, I think there was a degree of cynicism from the owners.  In appointing DM, if he succeeded, everyone was happy, if he didn't then the owners could blame him for the failure.  All the time not having to invest in a more experienced Manager.  As we head to the play-offs I cannot see any appetite to do more.  Meanwhile we understand from the E&S that Wolves are about to spend £40m on their next acquisition.  Even Villa have more ambition than we do.  We are in the play-offs for goodness sake, but we are still relying on our youth manager to run the first team.  This is madness.

General Football & Sports / Re: FA Cup
« on: April 07, 2019, 05:32:25 PM »
Wolves are off to a proper Wembley final.  Villa are surging into a play off position.... we give away any vague hope of automatic promotion back to the Premiership with an abject performance to finish in the play offs.  Probably to be beaten by Villa on their way back to the Premiership... We have owners with no clear plan for the club, and no buy in to this values and its history and who do not wish to invest further. God this is depressing.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: April 04, 2019, 12:19:10 PM »
I couldn't pick a worse person to manage my club.

I would rather have Tony Pulis back here than have Neil Warnock in charge.

Imagine how hostile it would be with him in charge, I don't know one baggie who would welcome Neil Warnock.

it is a pity the timing is out.  Appointing Colin would have made a fantastic April fool.

General Football & Sports / Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« on: April 02, 2019, 02:25:42 PM »
Am I right in thinking that at one stage Fosun did look at buying us, but we were considered too expensive?  I can only think of what might have been had that transaction occurred.  Over the years Wolves tended to have had higher lows than we have (and ours have been bad enough), but they also seem to have had higher highs.  Wish them well for the FA cup.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: March 20, 2019, 12:18:41 PM »
Not for the first time in recent history, I find myself stunned by our lack of planning.  When we sacked DM, I had though it was with a really clear plan of what we would do next, i.e. a clear candidate lined up and ready to go.  That would have been somewhat harsh but understandable given recent performances.  It is now clear we had no such clear plan.  So we have sacked our manager to effectively default to a first team coach when we are virtually certain of a place in the playoffs.  This is madness, and cannot be the outcome the owner intended surely? 

Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Old soldiers to be prosecuted.
« on: March 15, 2019, 12:38:12 PM »
Most of us will have seen and perhaps contributed to the collection buckets at the Albion and other Midlands clubs for justice for the victims of the Birmingham pub bombings.  A new inquest has opened and the donated cash goes to support the legal fees of the families. 

Unlike the families involved in Bloody Sunday they were not granted legal support for the inquest/enquiry. Also unlike the Bloody Sunday enquiry an amnesty is likely to have been given to the prime suspects of the Birmingham bombings which is likely to mean they will never face trial in the UK, even if extradited from the Irish Republic. 

Even in uniform under difficult circumstances, you are accountable for your actions, but I fail to understand why victims in Derry will get justice, whilst victims in Birmingham may get none.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chris Brunt
« on: March 14, 2019, 03:07:37 PM »
So for some time Brunt has been the enigma he was last night.  At his best he is brilliant- and he changes games in our favour.  Then he can have whole portions of games when he is quite mediocre.  On balance though the good outweighs the bad, though the bad can be exasperating.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Toxic Hawthorns
« on: March 10, 2019, 02:59:13 AM »
At all home games this season. Overall I think the crowd have been great. For most of today I thought we got behind the tam as well. In places Leko looked good and showed some good skills level. Understandably though there was frustration with lots of poorl passing, poor creativity and us making the rock bottom side look like Man City.  Some perspective please. The football is now entertaining, the gates are up, but we do need to get back on track on the pitch. Absolutely NOT the fans fault how we have played at home since January.

General Football & Sports / Re: Saido Berahino
« on: March 06, 2019, 12:32:51 PM »
This area of London has wall to wall CCTV- if he was robbed it will be on record and he will rightly be acquitted.  If not, then he can expect a lengthy ban and the sack.  I am however curious as to why you would take your car out into the west end and not expect to drive it back?

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: March 05, 2019, 01:23:02 PM »
Ipswich are a woeful team at the moment, with morale going right through the floor.  I cannot see that we would have any trouble getting three points out of this, but it will tell us nothing around how we will do in the matches after this.  Our run in looks good though, but I still cannot see us doing better than the playoffs.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Fans at Home
« on: February 25, 2019, 12:37:28 PM »
From where I was siting on Saturday, the noise level and support was very good.  The crowd kept on supporting after the goal went in and did their best to rouse the team.  Having only missed one home game this season, support has been solid, and the noise level and general enthusiasm is miles better than it was under Pulis and Pardew.  Some fans do moan, it is part of the game and part of the excitement.  But it does not make them any less ardent supporters.

Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: How old?
« on: February 22, 2019, 06:55:23 PM »
Interesting question.  Sixteen is legally the age when you can do most adult things.  However, from 16 to roughly 22 I think you are still maturing and there is a lot of learning still to be done.  As I used to tell my kids there are not many advantages to being an adult.

Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Shamima Begum
« on: February 21, 2019, 02:01:31 PM »
So just to be clear, parentage also influences nationality under UK law, and other most others.  If for example you were born overseas whilst mom or dad were working abroad, you will still be British.

Having considered this issue carefully, it would not be responsible for us to ask a country such as Bangladesh to deal with this girl.  We should allow (at her family's cost and arrangement), her return to the UK where we deal with her under UK law.  I do not want to hear that in ten years time she has pitched up Dhaka or Mombasa carrying out an atrocious attack on innocent people there.

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