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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: Yesterday at 04:31:23 PM »

Anyone who believes that Darren has sat down on his own and typed that without it being edited by another person is frankly deluded.

Of course it's been edited, he's not judged on his ability to write good prose and the English GCSE probably doesn't feature heavily on his CV.  Intelligence comes in many forms and in the piece he comes across as thoughtful and well-balanced.

A lot of the negative reaction came from post match, however, I have heard manager after manager spout cliche so did not really judge him on those interviews, flawed as they may have been.  They followed a standard football manager template of saying nothing but keeping the journo's in copy however mundane.  What i don't remember though is hearing any utter bull spouted by him, and i'll take that. 

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: Yesterday at 12:47:20 PM »
Gave the club back it's heart, gave the fans some pride, and even in perceived failure has provided a solid base from which to appoint a manager with the prestige of Bilic. 

The period in which Barnes hit his best form and linked with Gayle (and Hegazi started doing Cruyff turns in his own box) was some of the most entertaining football i have seen at the Albion. That might sound like hyperbole but i missed the Albion team who so enthralled with Cyrille and Laurie etc and was bought up on some pretty shoddy fare which was only alleviated by SGM.  The capped wonders diabolical brand of football almost killed the Albion fan in me and it took Darren Moore to apply the resuscitation by at least attempting to do things the right way, so for that i will always be grateful.   

The only real pity for me, and this was always my concern when he got the job, is that it is unlikely he will return to the Hawthorns again in a professional capacity unless coaching/managing the opposition.  There aren't many like him in football, and for what he may have lacked in the detail as a manger, he bought the other good stuff in buckets.

I wish him all the success.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Director of Football
« on: May 23, 2019, 04:03:32 PM »
Just my opinion mate. Sorry if it offended you.

Didn't offend, just didn't get what the point was. Reading back the tone is a bit sharper than i intended. Whim probably just on the old crossed wires.  No worries.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Director of Football
« on: May 22, 2019, 05:00:54 PM »
'Holgate and Johansen were positives'

So was Dwight Gayle but apparently we cannot afford his wages!

Not even sure what point this is making? Gayle is one of the best finishers i have seen at the club, but we were only able to get him due to Raffa wanting Rondon.  It was obvious from the moment the final whistle went that he would be leaving due to his high wages, and there was no way he would be offered a contract. Dowling will not be setting the wage budgets, he will be given the budget and told to work within it. Just too risky. Sorry if i'm missing it.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: May 22, 2019, 04:49:26 PM »
So Lincoln won League 2 with games to spare and scored lots of goals! We were in the Prem for many years and last season in the Champ!. Cowley in my opinion is a backward step but for our club with no ambition he is a cheap and cheerful option.

Not saying the Cowley's are the right choice as don't know enough about them, but the club does feel in need of an influx of younger, more hungry professionals who have know recent success and can bring that impetus.   We need to get over ourselves, accept that we can no longer compete with those clubs who do have financial backing.  I don't care if these guys only want £10 a week and some beer money if they can bring some positive energy back into the Hawthorns.  We have seen expensive names fail dismally and leave the club almost on its knees so maybe it is time for a change of direction.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Craig Dawson
« on: May 22, 2019, 04:36:01 PM »
Has been a "mister reliable" for a few years in my view, but £15m, well you couldn't turn your nose up at that for him, could you?

£15 million is a deal very much in our favor...seems unlikely we'll get that much for a 29 year old but if Dyche is a big fan its a win win.   Good scouting and negotiation (any scouting even) would surely furnish us with a decent centre-half for this division and some spare change left over.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
« on: May 20, 2019, 03:42:06 PM »
That for me is key, he just never got a decent run of games. I do think that he is better than he has shown for us so far. Where to play him is the other quandry as he often plays through the middle for Scotland (not sure where Celtic played him) so do we use him there, out wide or just behind a front striker?

TP's lasting legacy to the club.  Now dismissed by at least 5 or 6 coaches as just not good enough, and if you can't make an impact in Scotland you aren't going to make one anywhere (Sinclair - say no more). Whatever it takes to become a top level footballer, this kid just hasn't got it. Shame for him and shame for us - we may not have paid   £15 million up front but it's cost us a fair few quid.  I'm sure TP did ok out of it somehow.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Director of Football
« on: May 20, 2019, 03:36:29 PM »
I don't think a DOF works, i can't see how it can work.
If we want to go back to the premier league and actually compete, rather than getting 40 points and calling it a day, then we need a good experienced manager. Manager not coach.
The only people interested in working with our model though will be the novices like Moore, Shan etc.
No decent manager will put his reputation on the line with someone elses purchases.

A club with no ambition aimlessly drifting from season to season.

System is irrelevant; quality of personnel is all.  I've seen too many terrible managers to count and I've seen some equally poor choices for head coach.   On the other hand we have recently had great success under SGM and Mowbray as manager.  Then Uncle Roy, RDM and Clarke who worked well under a DOF.   The idea of working under a DOF is that you install an ethos into the club that shapes your transfer policy and general style of football.  If the DOF is done well it allows you to avoids having a situation where a manager with a particular style fills the club with players of his liking who then struggle to adapt when that manager moves on........although i can't imagine that would happen to us.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: What happens if we stay down
« on: May 15, 2019, 12:49:42 PM »
Sick of hearing this, the tactics were the correct ones and a world class save from jrod effort and cheating and bad refereeing decisions cost us.

DG could have put JM through but his tired looking pass went to their last defender.

If we'd gone gung ho we'd have been picked off imo.

Small margins decide a game, poor decisions decide a season. 

Brunty doesn't get sent off then who knows? But watching Brunty all season tells you that when he plays CM there is always a rash challenge round the corner when he gets in a tight spot. He is not a natural tackler and when he gets it wrong, he gets it very wrong.  We all knew we were short for center midfield from the start of the season, even throughout last season.  We gambled on Brunt taking that role, bringing in Johansen too late as he lacked match fitness....and when it came to the crunch the decision cost us.

Gayle doesn't get sent off first game and surely we could have nicked another goal? But we also knew the squad was a player short up-front for goals. HRK (even if available) does not have a consistent goal threat which leaves us with very limited attacking threat to bring on from the bench.

Problems in center midfield, lack of depth up front. We new it. When margins are small, these factors become the difference.


That's how we need the ground to be weekly. We could do worse than getting Richie Anderson on the mike on a permenant basis

Lets hope that the fans present remember last night, and bring some of that back with them next season when a rebuilt team will really need support to get the season going.  Apart from the Gayle/Barnes led honeymoon period I've not really enjoyed the atmosphere at the ground week in week out.   There were very few times when the fans were able to lift the players, the crowd often just waiting for the team to pick them up in expectation that our squad should just be winning.

Following the potential staff changes I don't think there will be so many fans who will be expecting us to win every game next season, so maybe we can go back to giving the players our full support every game regardless of performance or results.   That is the first item on my wish list for next year, with a good manager just following.


I don't disagree but it is moot point the bigger obstacle is Gayle's current contract which still has 2 years left on it and is beyond what we can afford to pay.

That's the reality that lands like a punch in the gut - we can't afford him.  I would love to see him here again but surely he must be a good punt for any team competing at the bottom of the PL who will take on the 40k wages as part of their Premier League adventure.  Look at the inexperience in Leed's forward line, surely he would improve their squad, even if not first choice every week.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: The Squad
« on: May 15, 2019, 12:15:30 PM »
Totally agree with all of that.

I'd still keep Livermore, I know he gets flack on here but he's no worse than the rest of the midfield and giving our board I just don't see us buying players who are guaranteed to be better.  I'd rather keep him, see who else we can sign, then if we don't need him we can sell in Jan or next summer.  Would be crazy to ship out players who can play at this level without knowing who we are going to replace them with.

If anybody shows ANY interest in Jake we need to snap their hands off and take the cash.  He's played for England recently so may still carry a little bit of resale from that, and we can point to him being missing from the play-offs which weakened us against the Villa (adding value by his absence).  Lets also hope they look at the goals he scored this season to get valuable wins. 

But lets hope that they haven't scouted him comprehensively this year. He is "ok" at most things but can't pass more than 10 yards forward, can't beat a man, not pacey enough to track runners coming past him (although was reasonably mobile until he hit the weights and then even lost that as he turned into the Hulk) and doesn't have the discipline to play the holding role.   

Not the worst player i have seen in the stripes, but over a season certainly one of the most ineffective.  So if we can recoup a number with six zeroes it would be good business for me.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: May 15, 2019, 11:58:53 AM »
Hughton ticks all the boxes....promotion success with different teams, able to work on a limited budget, respected within the game (although the JRod and Bong situation left some bad feelings), and lets not forget he is leaving Brighton having kept them UP despite having to rely on the old man up front for the goals to keep them up.

He has a reputation for teams playing pragmatic football, but I remember seeing Brighton early on in the campaign whilst they were on a good run and was surprised just how bright they looked, zipping the ball about and creating chances. 

Their big problem this year has been the abject failure of the marque forward signings from the Dutch League with 3 goals for the £30 million investment.   Would these big signings have been Hughton's choice or their recruitment team before Ashorth's arrival?  Either way it is pretty irrelevant as the next manager at the Hawthorns wont be getting £30 million for the entire team rebuild let alone two players.

Question is.....are we an attractive proposition for a man with Hughton's background.?  3 managers sacked in the last year and a bit (one of whom was in 4th place in the league at the time) an unbalanced and ageing squad lacking both pace and technical ability and no external funding from owners for new players.  It's a big job working for an owner who is showing ZERO interest in the club other than as an investment and a boss who is purely financially driven and NOT a football man.Put that job description in the papers and see who applies!!

If i'm struggling to sell it to myself, how are we going to sell it to a choice off the A list like Hughton or Johnson??  Other than "We are the Albion"....which would of course work for us.


West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Shan appointed until end of season
« on: April 18, 2019, 05:54:32 PM »
If that is what Jokanovic would want to get him here, then they have to go

He ay coming!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: WBA FC Women need your support!
« on: April 14, 2019, 07:44:06 PM »
Well the Plate.  Left my seat at the Hawthorns empty yesterday following a nasty attack of indifference and instead drove over to Rugby with my little girl to watch Albion ladies demolish Liverpool  Feds 5-1 in the National Plate Final.  Fantastic performance, they worked so hard together as a team with a high press and scored some cracking goals.   Been following the baggies for 35 years and first national Cup competition I've seen any Albion team win.  It is the second tier Cup but a win is a win 😁. Relegated last year but unbeaten this.... COYLB

How did that end up here?

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: April 13, 2019, 02:28:50 PM »
Again and again. The Brunt-Livermore partnership is terrible.

Sealed the deal for me.....even if they both do occasionally hit us with a moment of quality (the odd cross form CB and goals from JL) as a midfield partnership they can be so disappointingly one paced and sideways looking. Like watching seniors football.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: April 13, 2019, 02:20:28 PM »
Fed up with this Albion board/hierarchy. Rang my dad tonight to tell him I wasn't going up tomorrow. Got nothing else on, just haven't got it in me, out of the house for 8 or 9 hours to watch Shan bungle his way through another attritional 90 minutes. CEO sitting on his hands counting his pennies. All the rumours point to the most underwhelming appointment since A'F'I. I just don't know where we go from here. Well I do, back to the lower reaches of the 2nd tier where it all started for me. Problem is it's a different time, it won't be the same, it'll be sanitised, mind numbing, low quality fare.

Cor be arsed with this bunch today. Was going, just to see the gentrified Preston fans but taking my little girl to watch West Brom ladies v Liverpool in the Plate final tomorrow instead. I'm there in spirit but the love has gone for the moment.....for the club, players AND some of the miserable, shouty, moany fans who sit around me.  Partic the one who yells RUUBBIISSHH!! at the top of his voice into my lug hole at least 20 times a match.  Hope they get behind the team today COYB.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: April 08, 2019, 03:56:14 PM »
These players have now struggled to meet expectations for the last year of the Capped One, every game under Pardew, and for the last half of this season? Under DM and now JS.  These different managers have nothing in common except their inability to get these players to meet the expectations set.   We have an unbalanced squad based around overated "PL" players (Livermore, Dawson, JRod), senior pros past their best (Brunty, Mozza) and loanees....only one of which has really worked (Colgate has got progressively poorer).

Since Christmas, as a ST holder IMO I have seen our players often  outperformed week in/week out by supposedly poorer players. I have seen a large number that could match our players technically and even more that could out run and outmuscle.  The only players who have really stood out have left (Barnes), done so sporadically (Barry, Holgate, Harper etc) without consistency or have been derailed by injury (Gibbs, Phillips). 

So yes DM made mistakes but like the experienced managers before him he basically tried and failed to get something out of a squad that is just ready for the breakers yard. 

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: March 29, 2019, 11:53:57 PM »

No because it wasn't.

Oh yes it was...... Panto season?? 

First half shocking all round... players, fans, team set up, the whole shebang! The atmosphere felt tense and made me wonder when the home fans had become such miserable bastards.  Second half the teams efforts lifted the fans who responded well and actually got behind the boys to the end.

Shan got some new manager luck having to bring on HRK as he really changed the game.  He can hold the ball up and draws fouls like a master craftsman.  Gayle needed that goal, could now do with one from the feet as he put a couple of half chances well over.  Edwards looked a bit lost at first but thought he had a decent game once he found his feet. Brunteh is still not a CM but what fantastic delivery and Jake........moves like a tugboat and passes like one too at times but what a hit!!

Miss Darren Moore but the main difference seems to be an acceptance that you can just clear your lines to ease pressure and our players need that.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
« on: March 11, 2019, 12:57:49 PM »
It must be me, but I find it hard to understand how young Mr Barnes has acquired this messia like status?
He was OK scored a good few goals but he also went up a lot of blind allies, frequently lost the ball, didn't pass to players in better positions and was god awful at tracking back.
But to put all our successes, untill his departure, solely down to him is a bit OTT in my opinion. He was but one cog in a much bigger machine

Some players get better and better in their absence.  However, the more i see other players the more sure I am  that this kid was and is the real deal.  Seeing him not only out pace, but also out muscle Hutton at the Hawthorns before leaving him for dead was my moment of the season.   An ability to carry the ball for a distance at pace, an eye for a forward pass, and a goalscorer to boot.   Possibly went back to the PL early, but by all accounts after a patchy start he has really started to look the part for Leicester and now has a manager who can really develop him.  Anybody still thinking he might play for us again, more likely the next team he might play for other than Leicester will be England if he can improve his overall game.     

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: March 10, 2019, 08:20:25 PM »
I think its very sad that Moore has been sacked, he was a symbol of hope, unity and one of our own, but whilst its sad, it's also the right decision.

At the end of last season, he appeared to motivate a revival, that may be partly true, but it was more a case of player power returning to their comfort zone and striving to keep their Premiership pay packets and as a result of this mini revival, big Dave got the job, so he got the job on a false premise when you look at it honestly.

Now to this season, he was well backed and tried to change the playing style with three at the back playing out from the back, that was a disaster and much criticised by many on here, eventually he returned to a back four, but still playing out from the back, some improvement, but still awkward with many errors, because the players are not up to it, we have a backline who are normally risk averse and a midfield horribly neglected since Pulis dictated that they were largely irrelevant as they watched the ball launched over their heads, then returned to a shield of four in front of the defence.

Darren was backed with several signings and loan signings which left him with a strong first 11, especially once the useless Kyle Bartley was removed [at £6million, probably the worst signing in the history of the club].

Unlike many on here, I don't get too high following wins or too low following losses, but what was becoming increasingly obvious was that Darren was struggling, his tactics were at best predictable and easily countered, his ability to change a game almost non existent, we luckily got a draw yesterday against a poor Ipswich side, only two saves from Johnstone save an appalling defeat.

Darren has been found out, he simply was not up to the job, its sad, but the club made the correct decision, it would only have got worse from here as the fans, who in the main have been patient and supportive, turned to venomous.

Good luck in the future Dave, you are a creditable and sincere Albion man, your reputation as a Baggie will remain, but time ran out this season and it was the best for you and the club.

Good post.  Balanced and thought provoking.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: March 10, 2019, 08:11:28 PM »
It shouldn't do your head in as it's true. We have mainly Premier League quality players, hence why they will go to Premier league clubs if we don't go up this season.

Have you actually watched our PL quality players this year? Gibbs...feels like he fits unto the category but in hindsight his form is patchy often flatters to deceive and suspect in the air, Dawson....don't make me arff a good old fasioned lower league defender but not PL, Hegazi...like him but no turn of pace, Livermore.....looks lmited even at this level....reputation over ability, Jrod has often been good but sometimes utter S***e, a busted flush in the PL, Barry is 38 and runs backward through treacle, Phillips has the potential to be a top player but his injury record is turning him into a liability and is the ultimate confidence player.  Have I missed any of our elite squad?

Playing in the PL does not make you a PL player, getting PL wages does not make you a PL player.   Technical ability, pace, consistency and a strong will to win makes you a PL player....not in abundance amongst that lot.  On multiple occasions this season they have been out run and out played.  SOME OF BDs tactics may have been suspect but he was not managing a team of elite footballers.....far from.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: February 27, 2019, 02:44:20 PM »
It's too late to do it now. The warning signs were there right from the start of the season. Our failure to act may very well come back to bite us but we won't find out till all is said and done. Insanity at this point would be offering him a new contract.

Ahhh this is more about the new contract question.  Makes sense now even if I might not agree 👍

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: February 27, 2019, 02:42:22 PM »
That's it for me as well.
Regardless of what division we are playing in next season we will have a massive overhaul of the squad.
6 loanees will go back.
The likes of Dawson/Phillips/Hegazi/Livermore/Gibbs/JRod would they fancy another season of Championship football or a relegation struggle in the Premiership?
Barry, Morrisson, Brunty all past it IMO.
Hoolihan and Mears will go  (hopefully)
Harper not signed a new deal yet.
That leaves the kids, Johnstone, Calamity Kyle and HRK.
Not inspiring is it?

This.  And if we we want to play a more progressive brand of football in the PL would we want Dawson and Livermore first picks anyway?  Both struggle to pass a ball forward more than ten yards.   Phillips is injury prone, Gibbs was often exposed in the air at LB and Jrod will struggle to reach double figures in the division above.  Hegazi is still green at the top level.   Are these the players we are pinning our PL status on?

Clubs needs full rebuild, and needs a philosophy and management team (full team including recruitment and youth) to hang it on..Being in the.PL doesn't magically solve your squad issues  its.not that long ago as a PL team we signed Samaras, Gambia and Davidson.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: February 27, 2019, 02:33:23 PM »
You cant replace him now because we are still in contention to be in the top two and look quite confident of play offs as a minimum.

dont understand the sarcasm to be fair or what you're trying to point out.

but its not very difficult, we have to get promoted this year to keep majority of our squad. I believe the players who got us relegated were good enough to stay in that division, dont forget the summer before so many on here were saying its the strongest ever top flight squad we have had !! we got relegated by poor management and sticking with a complete dinosaur for too long when a lot of players were not playing for him, then had a manager come in on the cheap who did not have a clue.

we fail to go up this season, then we make none of the loan signings permanent, we lose other assets like Gibbs, Dawson, Hegazi etc etc and it then becomes even more difficult to gain promotion, the parachute money reduces further and each season it becomes less likely to get back into the premier league (look at villa).

that is why it is absolutely imperative to get back into the premier league for next season.

if we do not, then the question has to be asked, was the squad good enough? yes.
was the manager backed? yes.
did the manager fail? yes.

unfortunately then if that does happen then in my oppinion, we then have a huge re-building job and have to appoint an experienced manager over a 4-5 year project.

as i have said before, a decent manager should be getting Albion out of this division with the resources available to use this season. if Moore achieves that, brilliant, i will be proud of the club and what DM has achieved in his first full season as manager and he should be backed to try and build his own squad.

but failure is not an option this season and if we do fail then unfortunately he must be made accountable for it. a lot on here dont seem to like that but its true.

i will continue to do what i have all season, remain positive and back my team every single home and away game and hopefully we achieve our aim.

I think we just read Gazbergs post differently.....happens.

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