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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Salomon Rondon
« on: Yesterday at 02:26:17 PM »
What's not sinking in, that I don't agree with you?

You started off, by saying he went to Newcastle a bigger club, I countered with he would have gone to Bournemouth if his wage went up, you agreed. So the bigger club argument goes out the window and you are left with he will move to the richer club who will pay his wage demands.

If a Newcastle paper only wrote stuff to do with them then why mention he was training on his own whilst at West brom?

Why would they select that bit only about us and miss out a thank you to us in the very unlikely event he said it to them, if he said it, that made him sound a grateful, good, humble person that would endear him to the Newcastle fans even more.

He thanked us for bringing him to the Premier league, you you posted.

Could it be he didn't give a flying f after he was there and back up to £70k?

Short career agreed, but it's not a career that should incapacitate him from having another career like Stuart Ripley (ex Blackburn) becoming a solicitor or John Wile becoming a car salesman or Ally Brown running the supporters club bar, etc, etc. After his football career he will be 35 and not even be middle aged so the world is his oyster.

I don't have a problem with him earning what he does for how long he does, but I as an Albion fan I expected him to be loyal and help get us back up after he helped take us down and one season on £35k a week was not going to starve him and his family for generations to come.

He is no different to the 2 players you have mentioned (BTW can you please provide a link to Adebayor going on strike at Spurs).

Either all 3 are mercanary carlos kickaballs or none of them are.

Just because you didn't read about a transfer request or this or that, doesn't mean he did instigate the move, and again I infer from his training alone he instigated it.

You obviously agree that there are mercanary footballers, but you don't include rondon in your list.

I do.


Rondon didn't have a flex down so he'd have been on £70k a week irrespective. This is where your argument falls apart.

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My only concern is how he'll shape the squad. His transfer record at West Ham was quite poor. So it'll be an interesting summer, I'm certainly going to give him the benefit of the doubt though.


Multiple sources/leaks suggest he had very little say over transfers at West Ham.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Salomon Rondon
« on: June 14, 2019, 05:13:05 PM »
I didn't say Berahino is the only player where the stuff hasn't come, out  I said the exact opposite, that there is a lot of stuff that doesn't come out if the club and the player/agent don't want it to come out, and that Rondon training on his own indicates to me that something did happen, whether you read about it on newsnow or not.

Furthermore, you stated that his contract may not have had a flex down clause because that was the only way to get him to sign. This article to suggests it did, and it appears JP didn't change his stance on those, but gave relegation release clauses instead from what happened with Evans and Chadli:

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/01/25/west-brom-players-face-50-pay-cut-if-relegated/

You seem to think we wanted him out and he did us a favour by going, then why not Jrod too and the others who wanted out.

I don't believe it was because we badly wanted Gayle, just that he was available and we needed a replacement for Rondon as he wanted out, and from what was reported at the time we got him and a £2m loan fee in the swap for Rondon, it appeared a great deal, but then Dowling said we paid a loan fee for Gayle recently. So here the press got it wrong again, and we don't know what it really cost us to get Gayle as it was also reported he signed a new £55k a week at newcastle before agreeing to join us.

So depending on if we paid all of Gayle's wages or even a 2 thirds he would have cost us more in wages than Rondon after his £70k was halved.

Rondon had a release clause and no one matched it so his only other option to get his reported £70k was to go out on loan or take £35k with us and try and get us out the sh11 he helped put us in.

He chose the former.

So you think Anelka and Adebayor are mercenaries but Rondon isn't, I wager that is because you read about those in the press, but you haven't heard/read anything about Rondon, but like I said we don't know what goes on at the club, only what they and the club agent/player choose to release. I'd also argue like you state about Rondon's move from kazan to zenit that he went for a bigger fee, so did Anelka and Adebayor, in Anelka's if memory serves me right, when he went from a £500k Arsenal signing to Real Madrid it was a profit of about £25m or thereabouts, and also another massive profit when Adebayor went to Man City.

Like them he stays around for a couple of seasons and continues his nomadic, mercenary lifestyle.

For all we know he is just another Van Hooijdonk behind the scenes with an agent who doesn't use the press to instigate a move.

If it came out he was on strike or anything then we'd have a player with one year left on his contract and other clubs would know he wanted out badly and would offer stupidly low bids to try and get him as we'd be between a rock and a hard place.

Stupid bids which Newcastle have already tried by saying they would only loan us Murphy if we agreed to loan rondon to them next season knowing that he was on a free then.


What a hill to die on...

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Ex Players Thread
« on: June 14, 2019, 01:55:13 PM »
Harvey Barnes signs new 5 year contract at Leicester City.

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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: June 13, 2019, 11:34:33 PM »
Sarri as good as gone according to the BBC.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Salomon Rondon
« on: June 13, 2019, 11:33:00 PM »
Just out of interest how has Sal been unethical? A key indicator in the definition of mercenary behaviour.

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can probably close this thread now  ;D


Let's just get through this window  :D

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I hope. I've admired their national side since the days of Poborsky.


Top trolling  ;D

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Extinction Rebellion in London
« on: June 13, 2019, 07:10:12 PM »
According to an article in the Guardian newspaper this morning, it is predicted that most of the meat people will eat in 2040 will not be from slaughtered animals. It goes on to state that 60% of meat will be grown in vats or by plant based products that will look and taste like meat.

The drivers behind the “new meat” are environmentally and animal welfare concerns. The article is based on a report by AT Kearny and no it’s not 1st April before anyone asks.

So, we will be eating vegan meat, how does that work?


We'll go and buy it in our flying cars as well? Absolute nonsense imo.

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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL CHAMPIONSHIP THREAD
« on: June 13, 2019, 05:51:18 PM »
Compared to this appointment and Woodgate at Boro I feel that we have done rather well.


Just a bit!!

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System tactics personnel
« on: June 13, 2019, 03:26:24 PM »
Expect Brunty to retain his deep lying central midfield role. Can't see Livermore passing muster with Slav, it's his first test for me how quickly he bins Jake.

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Bilic was unemployed when DM was sacked and you didn't mention him then. But you did say:

"If we can't convince Jokanovic then Hughton is my pick.


No more average ex-players, with a 'knowledge of the club'.


Rip them out root and stem... "


It wasn't for me to link him to the club though, now I've seen all the links the 3 I mentioned earlier were the only three I'd have been happy with... Hughton would have been acceptable. Nothing more.

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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL CHAMPIONS LEAGUE THREAD
« on: June 13, 2019, 01:55:23 PM »
Does anyone know when the 2019/20 Championship fixtures will be published?


20th June, although this is the Champions League thread.

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Absolutely delighted with this appointment after some of the names we have been linked with, only Bilic, Jokanovic and Labbadia were acceptable to me. This is only the start, Slaven has a massive rebuild to orchestrate starting today.


Can all fans now get behind the club now PLEASE and stop moaning.

This isn't a cheap option and no we didn't get Appleton.

If you haven't got a season ticket, get one, lets get behind the club and make the Hawthorns a special place next season.

ATID.


In a word no. This is a start, but Dowling and Jenkins need to go a LOT further to mend the damage they have caused and regain our trust. I will however keep my powder dry until the Transfer Window closes.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Fixtures 2019/2020
« on: June 13, 2019, 12:06:39 PM »
We start a week earlier than PL I think? We will be away when Villa are at home and vice versa.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Salomon Rondon
« on: June 12, 2019, 04:48:07 PM »
What I'd like to know is where has this notion that Newcastle play attacking football come from? Don't any of you watch and absorb other teams?

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Because there isn’t one that wouldn’t breach the Equality and Diversity Act 2010, including the ruling the EFL have already put out. If I was a struggling coach and white, I’d lawyer up and get a huge payday out the EFL for breaking the law here, they have no defence as they are forcing clubs to take candidates to interview on racial grounds.


You'd end up with egg on your face, not a huge payday.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: June 10, 2019, 11:44:10 PM »
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/06/10/west-brom-wary-of-waiting-for-potential-chris-wilder-exit-as-talks-with-slaven-bilic-continue/

Key points.

Discussions with Billic still on going but progress being made nobody is saying they are at an impasse.

Wilder would be an option should the court case go in Prince Abdullah's favour. This is something that has definetly been signalled to the Albion and Boro (who haven't moved to fill their vaccancy yet)

Hughton not completely out of the picture.


I've stopped reading anything Wilson puts out on the matter. Percy only for me until this is resolved. Don't think Matt has any direct 'in' to the club unfortunately.

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So what happens if a club requires a new manager, receives a number of applications, including some from ‘BAME’ candidates, but chooses not to interview any of the BAME’s?

If I owned a club I would interview who I chose, nobody would tell me who I had to interview.

Oh, and before anyone accuses me of being racist, I would not have sacked Big Dave!


Sacking Moore was not racist so the 2 have no correlation.


To answer your question the club will be sanctioned. Presumably it will be a financial penalty in the first instance.

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Question (and I don't know the answer). Managerial vacancy occurs and the club received say 10 applicants, none of whom are BAME. Do the club have to then approach a BAME candidate to fulfill this rule, or does it not apply?

I only ask because in genera I am in favour of this ruling, because I see diversity as a means to get differing viewpoints that may otherwise be neglected (among other reasons), but the idea that a club has to make a token interview to satisfy the rule seems perverse. I would assume they don't have to, but any clarity is appreciated.


If no BAME candidate applies for the job, the edict doesn't apply to the club.

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Can people stop trying to tell people what to do on this forum please. Its up to us who decide who posts and as long as they post within the rules they will be able to post as and when they like.


Apologies, but for a board that's heavily moderated for quality output, it would be nice if the context of the posts had a some degree of accuracy when dealing in facts and not opinions.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Salomon Rondon
« on: June 10, 2019, 09:45:31 PM »
Struggle to take anyone seriously who doesn't think Rondon is a good player.

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It's not a wrong analogy though. The FA have said that a club must do something. It is not a choice but a pre-requisite that must be met. If they said that all sides had to field at least one BAME player is that not a pre-requisite that must be met?

They are telling clubs they have too interview someone based on their ethnicity. It's a shambles and sums up the PC mess we live in.


Last time, affirmative Action is not about quotas. Either look it up or stop responding.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: June 10, 2019, 06:55:50 PM »

i said this a month ago. Im not the only one that could see it coming and its still looking likely. with the exception of shan being manager..maybe him looking after first team affairs for a while longer until we sort things out.. which should be by xmas 2020


Nothing in your first post has happened mate.

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It's a joke. They may as well as say all clubs must start X% of BAME players, it's a total shambles.

I would hate to ever think I was interviewed for a job simply to meet a quota. Any application in any walk of life should always be based on merit.


Sorry mate. Affirmative Action is not about quotas. Analogy is totally wrong.


For your analogy see the SA international cricket team since circa 2016.

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