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Title: Claudio Yacob (Left, now at Nottm Forest)
Post by: addy on July 13, 2012, 04:23:28 PM
I hinted at it a few days ago in another thread some information I heard from a decent source, and now its hit foreign press only time before it comes out. The mystery midfielder we are talking/have been too is Claudio Yacob.

http://www.ole.com.ar/edicion-impresa/titulo_0_736126440.html
Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: KingKoren on July 13, 2012, 04:27:56 PM
I hinted at it a few days ago in another thread some information I heard from a decent source, and now its hit foreign press only time before it comes out. The mystery midfielder we are talking/have been too is Claudio Yacob.

http://www.ole.com.ar/edicion-impresa/titulo_0_736126440.html

I would be very impressed if we get him.

He is nicknamed 'Skinny Girl' because of his dreamy good looks as well.  ;D

Do you think we would still pursue Doumbia if we manage to get Yacob?
Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: phbaggies on July 13, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: addy on July 13, 2012, 04:31:19 PM
I would be very impressed if we get him.

He is nicknamed 'Skinny Girl' because of his dreamy good looks as well.  ;D

Do you think we would still pursue Doumbia if we manage to get Yacob?

No idea, aint got a clue whats happening tbh. Just heard Yacob was in talks with us a few days ago.

Personal opinion would be I think we will sign both if the opportunity arises.
Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: addy on July 13, 2012, 04:31:59 PM
Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: Floydy on July 13, 2012, 04:33:19 PM
He's on a free I understand.

Arsenal were interested in him in February according the the Daily Mail.
Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: addy on July 13, 2012, 04:35:22 PM
He's on a free I understand.

Arsenal were interested in him in February according the the Daily Mail.

Manchester United too have been linked in the recent past.
Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: lewisant on July 13, 2012, 04:46:41 PM
SO we are in talks with multiple midefield players, then we get the pick of them, which means turning good players down, and it could be our third signing, and its only mid july?! Freaky friday 13th is this really the WBA we know and love?!
Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: Baggies on July 13, 2012, 06:53:45 PM
I hinted at it a few days ago in another thread some information I heard from a decent source, and now its hit foreign press only time before it comes out. The mystery midfielder we are talking/have been too is Claudio Yacob.

http://www.ole.com.ar/edicion-impresa/titulo_0_736126440.html

Was reported by Ed Malyon about a month ago. It was on here back in June.
Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: Baggies on July 13, 2012, 06:55:51 PM
Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: addy on July 13, 2012, 07:43:03 PM
Was reported by Ed Malyon about a month ago. It was on here back in June.

I know it was. I also know he has been in England last week with us trying to strike a deal. Its hardly been 'doing the rounds for a while'. If it was im sure it would have been mentioned more than once..

As for could have done it a 'month ago yet nothing'.. He only became a free agent under 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: Political Cake on July 13, 2012, 09:15:41 PM
He is nicknamed 'Skinny Girl' because of his dreamy good looks as well.  ;D

Yes please. I'd drink to that. :D
Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: DownInAlbion on July 13, 2012, 10:15:19 PM
He's on a free I understand.

Arsenal were interested in him in February according the the Daily Mail.

lost all interest after reading that
Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: AlbionDaz on July 13, 2012, 11:07:26 PM
Claudio Yacob write up link.
http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/claudio-yacob-why-manchester-united-should-fight-arsenal-for-mascherano-2-0/

Sounds good.
Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: Standaman on July 13, 2012, 11:34:36 PM
Just seen a tweet from an Argentinian journalist claiming that we are in negotiations Claudio Yacob. Really not sure what we are about here cannot see us signing Yacob and Doumbia assuming we retain all of our current central midfielders.
Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: Baggies on July 14, 2012, 12:21:06 AM
Do you know who it was Stan? (the name of the journalist).Would be interested to follow him.
Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: Baggies on July 14, 2012, 12:26:07 AM
I know it was. I also know he has been in England last week with us trying to strike a deal. Its hardly been 'doing the rounds for a while'. If it was im sure it would have been mentioned more than once..

As for could have done it a 'month ago yet nothing'.. He only became a free agent under 2 weeks ago.

You had said "now it's hit the foreign press, it's only a matter of time before it comes out". Im just saying it already was out, from a usually reliable journalist, although maybe now it will gather more momentum.
Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: Baggies on July 14, 2012, 01:30:29 AM
Madeley says on his twitter that tomorrow's express and star will have news of another central midfielder. Will probably be Claudio Yacob.
Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: addy on July 14, 2012, 01:52:30 AM
You had said "now it's hit the foreign press, it's only a matter of time before it comes out". Im just saying it already was out, from a usually reliable journalist, although maybe now it will gather more momentum.

Yes but there is a massive difference between media saying we are scouting a player and media saying we are in talks with a player. We scout hundreds of players, many that we never formally approach. Its much bigger news the fact we are actually in talks.

Title: Re: Re: General Transfer Rumours Thread
Post by: Standaman on July 14, 2012, 10:34:55 AM
The Argentinian journalist who tweeted re Yacob was Andres Garavaglia (@AndresGara)
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Standaman on July 14, 2012, 11:41:46 AM
I think enough of a link to be worth his own thread.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2012/07/14/claudio-yacob-on-west-brom-radar/?

Might be an option for Central midfield instead of Doumbia or Boatang. At this point impossible to judge which would be the best option as none of them played Premier League football so all would have to adjust to the league and living in new country.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 14, 2012, 11:55:57 AM
Isn't it great to be seriously linked with players of this calibre?!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 14, 2012, 12:09:02 PM
Isn't it great to be seriously linked with players of this calibre?!

But sufficiently unknown that it's a trademark Albion transfer. The fact we admitted we followed Yassine El Ghanassy for two years (baring in mind he's only 22), proves our Scouting network is superb.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 14, 2012, 12:22:42 PM
Just tweeted by CL:

@chrislepkowski: #wba hope to complete signing of Yacob early next week. Deal currently embroiled in red tape. If this is overcome, good chance he'll sign

He also explained that this is why the Doumbia deal wasn't as clear cut from our end.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: johnthebaggie on July 14, 2012, 12:40:20 PM
It shows how far we've come to be linked with players like this.

My only concern is it generally takes a while for South Americans to settle over here, especially as he plays in Argentina.

That's the only negative though.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Watton...! on July 14, 2012, 12:44:05 PM
also goes on to say this could be a real coup for us, and that hes very highly rated
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Floydy on July 14, 2012, 12:55:41 PM
Don't know a lot about him but am impressed by his deemed calibre and age.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: charliewestbrom on July 14, 2012, 12:58:58 PM
The notorious you tube compilation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mXVpJedeOlE
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: addy on July 14, 2012, 01:10:46 PM
Be a good signing, CL / Steve Madeley have actually known about this transfer all week, I assume the club have told them to keep quiet until he was signed/leaked in press somewhere. Hope we do get him, a real bargain.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wbarenno on July 14, 2012, 01:24:58 PM
Hopefully they both sign that andrews and scharner replaced then
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KingKoren on July 14, 2012, 01:32:00 PM
I'm a bit concerned we only have one other South American to help him settle (and he may be move on.) Tamas is the only other player who can speak Spanish as well (he could be moved on to.) May be difficult for him to settle, depending on who else we sign.

I actually don't care though because it's really exciting and worth the risk.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: richjonawba on July 14, 2012, 05:53:36 PM
From the youtube video looks very much a deep lying playmaker, something in my opinion we have lacked since Greening. Now i was never Greenings biggest fan, but one thing he never did was give the ball away, and he was crucial to the way we played then, allowing us to keep possession.

Recently, under Roy, we were happy to let the opposition have the ball, keeping men behind the ball and challenging them to break us down, it worked reasonably well, but my god was it boring.

Hopefully if we get Yacob he can be a better version of Greening, keeping things ticking along from midfield, also allowing Mulumbu/Morrison to do the box-to-box midfield role that they both do so well.

Would be an exciting signing if hes as good as he meant to be.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: dragon on July 14, 2012, 06:18:49 PM
From the youtube video looks very much a deep lying playmaker, something in my opinion we have lacked since Greening. Now i was never Greenings biggest fan, but one thing he never did was give the ball away, and he was crucial to the way we played then, allowing us to keep possession.

Recently, under Roy, we were happy to let the opposition have the ball, keeping men behind the ball and challenging them to break us down, it worked reasonably well, but my god was it boring.

Hopefully if we get Yacob he can be a better version of Greening, keeping things ticking along from midfield, also allowing Mulumbu/Morrison to do the box-to-box midfield role that they both do so well.

Would be an exciting signing if hes as good as he meant to be.

You have summarised him perfectly. Arsenal were linked to him earlier this year http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2095326/Arsenal-target-Claudio-Yacob.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2095326/Arsenal-target-Claudio-Yacob.html). A regular watcher of Claudio Yacob rates him very highly; here is the article http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/claudio-yacob-why-manchester-united-should-fight-arsenal-for-mascherano-2-0/ (http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/claudio-yacob-why-manchester-united-should-fight-arsenal-for-mascherano-2-0/)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KYA on July 14, 2012, 06:43:50 PM
Although Doumbia looks a fine player and would be a good player to add to the squad this Yacob really looks class.
He is a threat from set pieces but what i really liked was is calmness and control of the ball under pressure.
I would be well pleased if we sign this bloke.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: HampshireBaggie on July 14, 2012, 06:58:15 PM
Well excited by this. Hope it comes off.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: gerry m on July 14, 2012, 07:17:18 PM
hopefully we can beat Botofogo to his signature. a signing like this shows the sort of progress we have made in the last few seasons.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 14, 2012, 07:38:59 PM
You have summarised him perfectly. Arsenal were linked to him earlier this year http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2095326/Arsenal-target-Claudio-Yacob.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2095326/Arsenal-target-Claudio-Yacob.html). A regular watcher of Claudio Yacob rates him very highly; here is the article http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/claudio-yacob-why-manchester-united-should-fight-arsenal-for-mascherano-2-0/ (http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/claudio-yacob-why-manchester-united-should-fight-arsenal-for-mascherano-2-0/)
Got any stats on him, Dragon?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: kris_boing on July 14, 2012, 08:12:08 PM
Wouldnt surprise me if we are after/get Yacob AND Doumbia.  We need those type of players in midfield.  Its what we lack.
 
We have plenty of more attack minded midfielders and these two would compliment them well.
 
Hope we can do the deals on both of them.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: GrGr on July 14, 2012, 08:31:43 PM
Wouldnt surprise me if we are after/get Yacob AND Doumbia.  We need those type of players in midfield.  Its what we lack.
 
We have plenty of more attack minded midfielders and these two would compliment them well.
 
Hope we can do the deals on both of them.

Agreed. :) Not sure if we can afford both of them. But to have two top players in CM, and one in reserve for injuries etc, would improve us dramatically. We haven't really had someone comfortable beside Mulumbu, unless you count Scharner, but he was so very limited. Dorrans etc are not natural defensive players as I see it.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: the rainbow turn east on July 14, 2012, 08:32:15 PM
Just what Albion need another midget Tony Mowbray type player,
we already have Morrison and Dorrans so why on earth do we need someone else.
Jeremy Peace should of just paid the 2.5M for what we really need which is another destroyer like Doumbia,
I get this feeling Steve Clarke will turn us into a team of pansies again.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 14, 2012, 08:37:21 PM
Midget? 5'11" is probably taller than mulumbu and scores headed goals from corners. Think before you post.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 14, 2012, 08:38:21 PM
Just what Albion need another midget Tony Mowbray type player,
we already have Morrison and Dorrans so why on earth do we need someone else.
Jeremy Peace should of just paid the 2.5M for what we really need which is another destroyer like Doumbia,
I get this feeling Steve Clarke will turn us into a team of pansies again.

Well I dont know about the SC bit but I am inclined to agree with you. We have been crying out for more strength, athleticism and power in CM so Doumbia for me fits that bill. As for Yacob from the Utube footage he looks to be a very accomplished player so unfair to compare him on that basis. We have looked lightweight in midfield for a long long time.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 14, 2012, 08:47:12 PM
It's a player who can both break up attacks in midfield and has the ability on the ball to manoeuvre out of tight situations and distribute it from deep is what we've been missing for a while. Mulumbu are Scharner are both great destroyers, but are very poor on the ball. Read the link Dragon posted written by someone who's watched him a lot, it says he's both a great destroyer and skilful on the ball. What are people moaning about? He might not be one of the most physical players out there, but you don't always need to be, you can make up for it in other areas of the game. We've got Mulumbu to provide the physically in midfield anyway.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on July 14, 2012, 09:59:12 PM
It's a player who can both break up attacks in midfield and has the ability on the ball to manoeuvre out of tight situations and distribute it from deep is what we've been missing for a while. Mulumbu are Scharner are both great destroyers, but are very poor on the ball. Read the link Dragon posted written by someone who's watched him a lot, it says he's both a great destroyer and skilful on the ball. What are people moaning about? He might not be one of the most physical players out there, but you don't always need to be, you can make up for it in other areas of the game. We've got Mulumbu to provide the physically in midfield anyway.
Agreed - there's a lot more to quality DM play than flying into tackles and physical strength. Reading the game and the ability to pass from deep are a big advantage if you are improving the quality of the side.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: divinewind on July 14, 2012, 10:01:31 PM
Yacob seems to be the favourite and that could mean Doumia is cooling.We might not get either,probably won't,but at least we are looking at the right type of players.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dan on July 14, 2012, 10:03:33 PM
Just what Albion need another midget Tony Mowbray type player,
we already have Morrison and Dorrans so why on earth do we need someone else.
Jeremy Peace should of just paid the 2.5M for what we really need which is another destroyer like Doumbia,
I get this feeling Steve Clarke will turn us into a team of pansies again.

It shows just how far English football is behind the rest of the world when views like this are still prevalent. Complete stone age views that physicality beats technique. If Spain's domination of football still can't get people's views on this to change its quite worrying for this countries football as a whole to be honest.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 14, 2012, 10:30:45 PM
It shows just how far English football is behind the rest of the world when views like this are still prevalent. Complete stone age views that physicality beats technique. If Spain's domination of football still can't get people's views on this to change its quite worrying for this countries football as a whole to be honest.

Get where your coming from but that isnt really the point that Rainbow was making. Its a question of horses for courses. If the rest of the PL was filled with Barca type teams then your argument would hold but its not. Its a tough physical league and there can be no doubt that we have lacked a player or two to deal with this aspect at times. Lovely thought that we could fill our team full of tippy tappy players and simply play our way out of trouble but sadly as rainbow points out its at the moment.....dreamland
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: GrGr on July 14, 2012, 10:38:03 PM
Get where your coming from but that isnt really the point that Rainbow was making. Its a question of horses for courses. If the rest of the PL was filled with Barca type teams then your argument would hold but its not. Its a tough physical league and there can be no doubt that we have lacked a player or two to deal with this aspect at times. Lovely thought that we could fill our team full of tippy tappy players and simply play our way out of trouble but sadly as rainbow points out its at the moment.....dreamland

This is the reason little has happened with English football since the days of David Batty and Carlton Palmer. Talentless plodders and leadfoots for the win, eh?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 14, 2012, 10:48:10 PM
You don't need to be built like a heavyweight boxer to be a good midfield destroyer. Work-rate, positional sense, anticipation, stamina and tackling ability is much more important in that position than being built like a poohouse.

The obsession of fans and managers for players to be big is what's holding English football up.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 14, 2012, 10:50:25 PM
This is the reason little has happened with English football since the days of David Batty and Carlton Palmer. Talentless plodders and leadfoots for the win, eh?

Yes if you take the point to the extreme. And yes the PL should be aspiring to play more like the Barca way no question its where football is heading to an extent. But the fact is you cant just switch and go straight from A to Z. Barcelona have spent years developing their style first under Cruff then spreading that philosophy throughout their organisation. The PL is big business and results are everything so whilst that may be the "Blue Sky" vision Rainbows pragmatic viewpoint still holds IMO
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on July 14, 2012, 10:54:18 PM
Get where your coming from but that isnt really the point that Rainbow was making. Its a question of horses for courses. If the rest of the PL was filled with Barca type teams then your argument would hold but its not. Its a tough physical league and there can be no doubt that we have lacked a player or two to deal with this aspect at times. Lovely thought that we could fill our team full of tippy tappy players and simply play our way out of trouble but sadly as rainbow points out its at the moment.....dreamland
It's not quite dreamland - Swansea come into the league and play without one destroyer. If you want to play with 2 holding players then at least one of them has to have good quality on the ball ... that's why we are moving on from Scharner.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: MICKYMEL on July 14, 2012, 10:54:48 PM
Out of contract highly sought after Argentine international midfielder?

Er, yes please!!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: kris_boing on July 14, 2012, 11:00:59 PM
This guy has been described as a better footballer than Mascherano but not quite as 'nasty' in terms of biting tackles etc,.
 
 
Sounds good to me.  I know alot of our fans didnt appreciate Greening when he was here but we havent really kept the ball well in midfield since he left.  His limits were exposed in terms of tackling etc, but this guy seems to have that to his game too.
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 14, 2012, 11:09:27 PM
It's not quite dreamland - Swansea come into the league and play without one destroyer. If you want to play with 2 holding players then at least one of them has to have good quality on the ball ... that's why we are moving on from Scharner.

Dont disagree that you need quality on the ball at all. But you also currently need it off the ball also in a league that is far more tolerant of fast at times overly physical play. Good point about Swansea but its still to be proven that they can repeat the form and style of last year. Teams coming up are having a go with more confidence than they used to but equally there will be no surprise factor this season and will they get the protection from referees that they perhaps deserve? Im not sure about moving on from Scharner though. Simply think the club believed his legs might have gone a bit for this level. Once one or two teams have consolidated for 4/5 seasons playing the Swansea way then post back to me. Until then I remain unconvinced. Arsenal, our best footballing team are still trying to adequately replace Patrick Viera several seasons on?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dan on July 14, 2012, 11:17:58 PM
Get where your coming from but that isnt really the point that Rainbow was making. Its a question of horses for courses. If the rest of the PL was filled with Barca type teams then your argument would hold but its not. Its a tough physical league and there can be no doubt that we have lacked a player or two to deal with this aspect at times. Lovely thought that we could fill our team full of tippy tappy players and simply play our way out of trouble but sadly as rainbow points out its at the moment.....dreamland

The physicality aspect is overrated I think, its a physical league sure, but that doesn't stop technical players succeeding in the main. There's plenty of "lightweight" players in the league.

There's tonnes of teams who've been relegated with physical players, to say playing football can't work based on Mowbray's season is just taking one example and taking it to the extreme. We didn't get relegated due to playing passing football, any team that had a strike force for most the season of Bednar/Moore/Simpson/Fortune was always liable to get relegated.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 14, 2012, 11:40:01 PM
The physicality aspect is overrated I think, its a physical league sure, but that doesn't stop technical players succeeding in the main. There's plenty of "lightweight" players in the league.

There's tonnes of teams who've been relegated with physical players, to say playing football can't work based on Mowbray's season is just taking one example and taking it to the extreme. We didn't get relegated due to playing passing football, any team that had a strike force for most the season of Bednar/Moore/Simpson/Fortune was always liable to get relegated.

Well again at the risk of repeating myself that is not what Rainbow pointed towards. He stated that we already had skilled players in Dorrans and Morrison amongst others and that we needed better balance with some toughness to go with it rather than filling our squad with lighter weight ball players. So he definately didnt say the physicality is underrated more that to be consistently successful in this league season to season you do need some of that presence. I agree with you about the Mowbray side though we had no cutting edge at all really.

Anyhow back to Claudio Jacob eh  ;)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: GrGr on July 14, 2012, 11:59:19 PM
How can people say we need more toughness when we barely were able to move the ball under Roy???? Clarke and Ashworth are clearly looking to improve our game with the ball, and more power to them I say.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: lewisant on July 15, 2012, 12:04:55 AM
How can people say we need more toughness when we barely were able to move the ball under Roy???? Clarke and Ashworth are clearly looking to improve our game with the ball, and more power to them I say.

Here here!!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 15, 2012, 12:29:15 AM
Well again at the risk of repeating myself that is not what Rainbow pointed towards. He stated that we already had skilled players in Dorrans and Morrison amongst others and that we needed better balance with some toughness to go with it rather than filling our squad with lighter weight ball players. So he definately didnt say the physicality is underrated more that to be consistently successful in this league season to season you do need some of that presence. I agree with you about the Mowbray side though we had no cutting edge at all really.

Anyhow back to Claudio Jacob eh  ;)
Yacob is a different type of player to both Morrison and Dorrans so I'm not sure how that's a relevant point. Morrison and Dorrans are your traditional attacking/box-to-box midfielders, Yacob is a defensive midfielder and a deep-lying playmaker. In fact he's probably unlike any player we have, do we have any other midfielder who can sit in front of the defence both breaking up attacks and instigating them? I don't think so (maybe Jara, but he looks out of the reckoning and he hasn't played that position much).

Big, physical players are something that every squad should have, but having an equal amount of physical players and 'non-physical' players I don't think necessarily makes a squad balanced. A balanced squad is a squad that has a variety of different types of player who can do different jobs. If we sign Yacob then we'll be adding a different type of player to the ones we already have to our squad both improving it both player quality wise and in terms of balance. Besides, we probably have more 'non-physical' players than physical ones, Dorrans; Morrison; Thomas; El Ghanassy; Odemwingie; Cox and Brunt are the only senior players I can think of whose natural game isn't based around physicality.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: leeiswba on July 15, 2012, 02:52:50 AM
Just look at Makelele, small chap, but probably the best DM I have seen in my lifetime. Dont need any physical presence to play there.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: texisonfire on July 15, 2012, 03:43:09 AM
Been tweeted by a South American football journalist saying that instead of 'close to signing' which I had tweeted, that it should actually be 'deal done'.

He seems to be a well established in the field so I'm confident we've got our man, but he asked I don't reveal who told me as you can imagine!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 15, 2012, 08:48:48 AM
Yacob is a different type of player to both Morrison and Dorrans so I'm not sure how that's a relevant point. Morrison and Dorrans are your traditional attacking/box-to-box midfielders, Yacob is a defensive midfielder and a deep-lying playmaker. In fact he's probably unlike any player we have, do we have any other midfielder who can sit in front of the defence both breaking up attacks and instigating them? I don't think so (maybe Jara, but he looks out of the reckoning and he hasn't played that position much).

Big, physical players are something that every squad should have, but having an equal amount of physical players and 'non-physical' players I don't think necessarily makes a squad balanced. A balanced squad is a squad that has a variety of different types of player who can do different jobs. If we sign Yacob then we'll be adding a different type of player to the ones we already have to our squad both improving it both player quality wise and in terms of balance. Besides, we probably have more 'non-physical' players than physical ones, Dorrans; Morrison; Thomas; El Ghanassy; Odemwingie; Cox and Brunt are the only senior players I can think of whose natural game isn't based around physicality.

Think your losing the plot a bit here KP with respect. A player that breaks up and instigates?...Mulumbu has been doing that for the last three years! Cant see that there would be that much difference between Jacob and Morrison/Dorrans other than the position they are asked to adopt. they are all Midfielders who pass the ball. Jacob is of interest because of that, he is well drilled in that position and the club want someone who can come in and do that job straight away.
Fact still remains that we lack a real powerhouse player with the legs to get all over the pitch and dominate games by imposing himself. Arguably the most influential player in the PL last season? Ya Ya Toure.........................I rest my case
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggie Artist on July 15, 2012, 08:58:01 AM
I think we had earmarked David Vaughan for that playmaker role last summer, but he went to Sunderland instead.

I agree we need a player like Doumbia as well though, otherwise we're lacking physicality in the centre of midfield. Signing both would be ideal.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BobTaylor on July 15, 2012, 08:59:28 AM
If we want to take teams like swansea on at the passing game then we need mozza, pete, dozza and brunt to really up there game like we know there capable of, the other option would be selling mulumbu because his passing is atrocious and spending 20 million on 4 good footballing footballers, which is unlikely to say the least. Hodgson made us good defensively as a group but i wouldnt fancy our back four keeping clean sheets if we got strectched like the mowbray and matteo campaigns. Clarke has already said he wont be undoing that defensive work so im sleeping easy at the moment.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Nocky on July 15, 2012, 09:56:58 AM
Think your losing the plot a bit here KP with respect. A player that breaks up and instigates?...Mulumbu has been doing that for the last three years! Cant see that there would be that much difference between Jacob and Morrison/Dorrans other than the position they are asked to adopt. they are all Midfielders who pass the ball. Jacob is of interest because of that, he is well drilled in that position and the club want someone who can come in and do that job straight away.
Fact still remains that we lack a real powerhouse player with the legs to get all over the pitch and dominate games by imposing himself. Arguably the most influential player in the PL last season? Ya Ya Toure.........................I rest my case

Mulumbu is an excellent defensive midfielder but he is hardly the instigator of attacking football you are making him out to be. If we are to play with two defensive midfielders next season than its about having ones which compliment each other well. Yacob appears to have a calmness and composure about his play that perhaps Mulumbu is lacking at times in his game. With Mulumbus energy and drive and Yacobs ability to read the game and distribute the ball from deep, you have a potentially effective midfield partnership.

I'm not sure how valid your point about Ya Ya Toure is tbh Ruby. Sure, he's a powerhouse and gets about the pitch but he also has immense quality on the ball. If we're to bring in somebody with the physical attributes you are looking for its likely we would have to compromise on said players passing ability. Unfortunately that's the market we are in. If Clarke wants to produce a passing team than players like Yacob are surely preferable.

IMO the ability to read the game well and position yourself effectively will always trump pure physicality when it comes to defensive midfielders. Personally I can't see how you can compare the likes of Morrison and Dorrans to Yacob when the aforementioned are instinctively attacking players. Sure they may all be able to pass but the positions they take up on the pitch, their decision making and their general approach to the games will be very different
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Philly88 on July 15, 2012, 11:01:37 AM
This had ade me very very very excited. I try not to when thinking about potential albion signings but just.... wow!!! imaging long or El Ghanassy on the end of one of those. But having the physical game of dumbia would be great too!

But if this signing doesnt come through we could always sign Pirlo!  8) :P
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: dragon on July 15, 2012, 12:46:15 PM
Mulumbu is an excellent defensive midfielder but he is hardly the instigator of attacking football you are making him out to be. If we are to play with two defensive midfielders next season than its about having ones which compliment each other well. Yacob appears to have a calmness and composure about his play that perhaps Mulumbu is lacking at times in his game. With Mulumbus energy and drive and Yacobs ability to read the game and distribute the ball from deep, you have a potentially effective midfield partnership.

I'm not sure how valid your point about Ya Ya Toure is tbh Ruby. Sure, he's a powerhouse and gets about the pitch but he also has immense quality on the ball. If we're to bring in somebody with the physical attributes you are looking for its likely we would have to compromise on said players passing ability. Unfortunately that's the market we are in. If Clarke wants to produce a passing team than players like Yacob are surely preferable.

IMO the ability to read the game well and position yourself effectively will always trump pure physicality when it comes to defensive midfielders. Personally I can't see how you can compare the likes of Morrison and Dorrans to Yacob when the aforementioned are instinctively attacking players. Sure they may all be able to pass but the positions they take up on the pitch, their decision making and their general approach to the games will be very different

I am now really worried for Graham Dorrans' future. Central Midfield is not a priority for us but we are getting two of them. Left back? Right back? Left Winger? Striker? All these postions are far more necessary than a cm.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 15, 2012, 01:09:57 PM
He looks an outstanding player from the little I've seen. This would be a big coup for us.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: HampshireBaggie on July 15, 2012, 01:58:34 PM
I am now really worried for Graham Dorrans' future. Central Midfield is not a priority for us but we are getting two of them. Left back? Right back? Left Winger? Striker? All these postions are far more necessary than a cm.

After Scharner and Andrews have left i would say replacing them are more of a priority. A striker? Not at the moment. Fortune did well last season. Will be a big season for Long. And Pete got us 10 goals.

You have to look at it as a deal by deal basis. Yes a LB maybe a priority but that doesn't mean you have to sign one before strengthening other positions. If these 2 CM's are available then we need to act quickly instead of waiting until we have sorted LB.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: MICKYMEL on July 15, 2012, 02:07:01 PM
Cant have enough quality midfielders, in most games they control games. After deciding to improve on Scharner and Andrews it looks like we are not mucking about this time with the right replacements.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggies on July 15, 2012, 02:48:34 PM
Been tweeted by a South American football journalist saying that instead of 'close to signing' which I had tweeted, that it should actually be 'deal done'.

He seems to be a well established in the field so I'm confident we've got our man, but he asked I don't reveal who told me as you can imagine!

From what Madeley and Lepkowski, as well as Sam Kelly and Rupert Fryer have said on twitter, it seems personal terms are not the problem. I think we have agreed everything with the player so in that sense it is deal done.

The red tape might relate to wokr permits, and third part ownenrship and that is what is holding up the deal and adds the small element of doubt still around.

Reading what Sam Kelly, Rupert Fryer and Ed Malyon (Argentinian football writers) have said about him, as well as the other reports, he seems to be a very good player. Arsenal have had an interest in him and he was developing very well until this season where he got in trouble for swapping shorts after a game and they stopped playing him. This lack of game time seems to be the reason the window has opened for us to sign him. From the reports, if he can continue developing we will be getting a very high quality player. That's no guarantee of success of course as Valero  has more talent than any player on our books but he failed here despite now being a Spanish international sought after by champs league clubs this summer. Id still rather get an argentinian international in.

I cant see us signing both him and doumbia. We have Mulumbu and then we have a lot of attacking central midfielders. If Reid and Jara are here next season, they can fill in as defensive midfielders as well and then you have Thorne and Mantom on our books. It would be over kill to have both.

I understand why people may wan a big strong athletic midfielder as it helps in this league to have those sort of players but I think Yacob is the player with the most quality.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 15, 2012, 02:53:14 PM
Mulumbu is an excellent defensive midfielder but he is hardly the instigator of attacking football you are making him out to be. If we are to play with two defensive midfielders next season than its about having ones which compliment each other well. Yacob appears to have a calmness and composure about his play that perhaps Mulumbu is lacking at times in his game. With Mulumbus energy and drive and Yacobs ability to read the game and distribute the ball from deep, you have a potentially effective midfield partnership.

I'm not sure how valid your point about Ya Ya Toure is tbh Ruby. Sure, he's a powerhouse and gets about the pitch but he also has immense quality on the ball. If we're to bring in somebody with the physical attributes you are looking for its likely we would have to compromise on said players passing ability. Unfortunately that's the market we are in. If Clarke wants to produce a passing team than players like Yacob are surely preferable.

IMO the ability to read the game well and position yourself effectively will always trump pure physicality when it comes to defensive midfielders. Personally I can't see how you can compare the likes of Morrison and Dorrans to Yacob when the aforementioned are instinctively attacking players. Sure they may all be able to pass but the positions they take up on the pitch, their decision making and their general approach to the games will be very different

Having read your response on this one Nocky Im not sure that in actual fact we are that far away in our thinking rather that wwe are looking at the same problem through slightly differently tinted glasses! But to pick up on some of the points you make.
We both think Mulumbu is an excellent midfielder. I didnt actually say he instigates attacking play I merely responded to KPs quote "A player that breaks up and instigates" in simple terms he wins the ball and makes the first pass. In actual fact under RDM he was quite a bit more than that, I think he scored 8 times and actually was allowed to attack far more than under Roy. At no time have I said I would want to replace creative quality with just physical presence or say a Doumbia for a Jacob. The point I really made was we lack IMO a really strong presence in CM. So yes Jacob looks like a great signing but for me so would a Doumbia type to sit alongside. I dont see much difference in the basic skills that Jacob has v a Dorrans for instance. Indeed Roy had him sitting in a very deep sitting role for some games earlier in the season. But I think we agree that it is a role for a specialist if you like.
As for Ya Ya Toure I am a realist like you but the point Im making is that Man City the PL champions see a principal need for a player of that physical nature within their side.
I think we should learn from that.

But overall I think were not far away in terms of how we see things. From my point of view I just felt there were a number of games last season that were crying out for us to have a bit more of a presence in CM. Maybe Mulumbu has taken us as far as he is able in that sort of role?

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on July 15, 2012, 03:18:05 PM
I think we had earmarked David Vaughan for that playmaker role last summer, but he went to Sunderland instead.

I agree we need a player like Doumbia as well though, otherwise we're lacking physicality in the centre of midfield. Signing both would be ideal.

think we pulled out of that deal in the end as we had to use the funds to secure foster on loan and still pay myhill's wages as part of the loan deal
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mike on July 15, 2012, 03:38:02 PM
His signing would be the biggest indication yet that we will be moving away from 442 to a 5 man midfield.   
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 15, 2012, 06:00:05 PM
I cant see us signing both him and doumbia. We have Mulumbu and then we have a lot of attacking central midfielders. If Reid and Jara are here next season, they can fill in as defensive midfielders as well and then you have Thorne and Mantom on our books. It would be over kill to have both.

If Yacob and Doumbia are better than what we have, and we can get them both, then bring them in and sell someone from the existing squad (Mulumbu if needs be).
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 15, 2012, 07:21:06 PM
How far have we come , when people are quite ready to allow mulumbu to leave ?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 15, 2012, 08:15:25 PM
Think your losing the plot a bit here KP with respect. A player that breaks up and instigates?...Mulumbu has been doing that for the last three years! Cant see that there would be that much difference between Jacob and Morrison/Dorrans other than the position they are asked to adopt. they are all Midfielders who pass the ball. Jacob is of interest because of that, he is well drilled in that position and the club want someone who can come in and do that job straight away.
Fact still remains that we lack a real powerhouse player with the legs to get all over the pitch and dominate games by imposing himself. Arguably the most influential player in the PL last season? Ya Ya Toure.........................I rest my case
Mulumbu is not an instigator of attacks, more a terminator of them before they've even started. Even the head of the Official Mulumbu Fan Club would struggle to call Mulumbu a creative player whilst keeping a straight face. Mulumbu is a great player - fantastic work-rate, very aggressive, very physical, very strong, great tackler etc. but on the ball he's poor. Once he wins the ball he has a very bad habit of either running into trouble and losing it or misplacing a simple pass. Scharner was virtually the same. Mulumbu and Scharner both did a good job of getting forward supporting and sometimes even finishing attacks in the 2010/11 season, but it was mainly Thomas, Brunt, Odemwingie and whoever played attacking midfield who did the creating.

By 'instigating attacks' (which was probably not the best description I admit) I mean someone with a steady head who has creativity and vision to dictate the game from a deep position and who can make things happen by playing telling passes long and short, not just someone who can pass it 5 yards. Dare I say it, a 'Pirlo' type player. We're missing a player like that I feel, and the fact that he is apparently a very good destroyer also means we won't lose much defensively by having him in the team. Win win. It's possible Dorrans or Morrison could play that position since they're both very good passers and good defensively, but their talents generally lie in going forwards so they'd arguably be 'wasted' playing there, and there's no guarantee they'll adapt to/learn the role quickly enough. Brunt and Dorrans have both played the deeper role before and neither of them looked particularly impressive there. Attempting to fit square pegs into round roles rarely works in football, if you want a player to fill a certain position/role then you should buy a player who specialises in that position/role rather than trying to make a player who doesn't specialise in it work there.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dubya BA on July 15, 2012, 08:46:30 PM
I haven't read all of this thread but most of it and enough I think to say that I would welcome the signing of Yacob and Doumbia but I really think that we are going to need Mulumbu.

I very much doubt that after all of the signings we will have a better DM than Mulumbu and more to the point he is now proven in the team and the Premier League. He is also still improving-so for me it's going to be a big year for him and I hope it is with us!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 15, 2012, 09:38:42 PM
Mulumbu is not an instigator of attacks, more a terminator of them before they've even started. Even the head of the Official Mulumbu Fan Club would struggle to call Mulumbu a creative player whilst keeping a straight face. Mulumbu is a great player - fantastic work-rate, very aggressive, very physical, very strong, great tackler etc. but on the ball he's poor. Once he wins the ball he has a very bad habit of either running into trouble and losing it or misplacing a simple pass. Scharner was virtually the same. Mulumbu and Scharner both did a good job of getting forward supporting and sometimes even finishing attacks in the 2010/11 season, but it was mainly Thomas, Brunt, Odemwingie and whoever played attacking midfield who did the creating.

By 'instigating attacks' (which was probably not the best description I admit) I mean someone with a steady head who has creativity and vision to dictate the game from a deep position and who can make things happen by playing telling passes long and short, not just someone who can pass it 5 yards. Dare I say it, a 'Pirlo' type player. We're missing a player like that I feel, and the fact that he is apparently a very good destroyer also means we won't lose much defensively by having him in the team. Win win. It's possible Dorrans or Morrison could play that position since they're both very good passers and good defensively, but their talents generally lie in going forwards so they'd arguably be 'wasted' playing there, and there's no guarantee they'll adapt to/learn the role quickly enough. Brunt and Dorrans have both played the deeper role before and neither of them looked particularly impressive there. Attempting to fit square pegs into round roles rarely works in football, if you want a player to fill a certain position/role then you should buy a player who specialises in that position/role rather than trying to make a player who doesn't specialise in it work there.

Ok now your making more sense to me KP. I still slightly disagree with you about Mulumbu though. I have never described him as a creative passing player but (and I havnt gone looking for any stats) I think people have a slightly skewd view because of the amount of times he touches the ball. As a result it appears he gives the ball away more than others but in % terms Im not so sure. In any event "instigate" means to begin or start off. Mulumbu generally does this pretty well in my view. He wins the ball and generally makes a successful short pass to instigate our possession.
But I agree completely with you about the need for a deep lying creative ball playing DM who can come in and do the job to a high standard right away. I would just like a really powerful physically imposing DM with some ability to play alongside.
I watched some extended you tube highlights of Jacob and while you cant read too much in to that he does look very accomplished on the ball.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 15, 2012, 10:01:32 PM
Although Mulumbu is primarily a defensive midfielder he has improved other aspects of his game and as we found out during Roberto Di Matteo's reign he was a very useful midfielder going forward popping up with numerous goals. Even under Roy Hodgson towards the end of our first season he grabbed a couple then. I remember after our game with the Villa, Roy called him an all round midfielder or certainly words to that effect. Last season he was much more disciplined in his play, and often when partnered alongside Paul Scharner we missed having that ball playing midfielder. It was much easier in a midfield three when he had James Morrison alongside him who is a much more accomplished footballer.

If Mulumbu and Yacob can form a decent partnership then that should give us a solid platform to build from, as pointed out above, it's also the biggest indication that we're set to switch to a five man midfield.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 15, 2012, 10:18:35 PM
Although Mulumbu is primarily a defensive midfielder he has improved other aspects of his game and as we found out during Roberto Di Matteo's reign he was a very useful midfielder going forward popping up with numerous goals. Even under Roy Hodgson towards the end of our first season he grabbed a couple then. I remember after our game with the Villa, Roy called him an all round midfielder or certainly words to that effect. Last season he was much more disciplined in his play, and often when partnered alongside Paul Scharner we missed having that ball playing midfielder. It was much easier in a midfield three when he had James Morrison alongside him who is a much more accomplished footballer.

If Mulumbu and Yacob can form a decent partnership then that should give us a solid platform to build from, as pointed out above, it's also the biggest indication that we're set to switch to a five man midfield.

Yep sort get that feeling too Liam. If he does go that route which has by far been our most successful formation in recent times then will it be five strung across the middle 451 or would he adopt more of a 4231 with the two wide men in the three getting to the touchline on the attack. Was and still am a fan of Roy because he got us some superb results but secretly Im hoping SC can bring a bit of the flair and fancy football back.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: suffolk baggie on July 15, 2012, 10:24:23 PM
i think everybody is getting ahead of them selves yacob has not signed yet ? lets have the discusion when he has put pen to paper
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 15, 2012, 10:24:49 PM
Yep sort get that feeling too Liam. If he does go that route which has by far been our most successful formation in recent times then will it be five strung across the middle 451 or would he adopt more of a 4231 with the two wide men in the three getting to the touchline on the attack. Was and still am a fan of Roy because he got us some superb results but secretly Im hoping SC can bring a bit of the flair and fancy football back.

It'll be interesting to see what we do over the pre-season fixtures to be honest. That'll help us get an understanding of how Clarke wants us to set up. The opening signals, however, appear to be promising. I thought last season we were often predictable and played our much better football with the five man midfield. I haven't seen Yacob in action, but what I would presume is that, either he or Mulumbu will sit deep whilst the other one pushes forward to help join in the attacks.

If I was to have a bet. I could see Yacob sitting deepest to be honest using his technical skills to move the ball forward which is an area where Mulumbu is weak. Mulumbu from what I've gathered through reading on here and twitter is certainly the more agile out of the two. It should be a nice blend between the two and hopefully they can compliment each other like Scharner and Mulumbu did in our first season in the Premier League under RDM.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 15, 2012, 10:33:59 PM
i think everybody is getting ahead of them selves yacob has not signed yet ? lets have the discusion when he has put pen to paper

We're having the dicussion about where he will fit into the squad, Suffolk. Nobody from what I can see is getting ahead of themselves. If we left it till he actually signed then we'd have bugger all to talk about!  :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 15, 2012, 10:35:06 PM
i think everybody is getting ahead of them selves yacob has not signed yet ? lets have the discusion when he has put pen to paper

Talking football Suffolk...part of the game, its all about opinions?. Same principles would apply whether he signs or not?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 15, 2012, 11:25:42 PM
i think everybody is getting ahead of them selves yacob has not signed yet ? lets have the discusion when he has put pen to paper

No, that's when it gets moved and has 'SIGNED OFFICIAL' after his name. This section of the forum is for transfer speculation.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wba1993dave on July 15, 2012, 11:43:03 PM
CL - Latest on Yacob pursuit in Monday's Birmingham Mail.... and why Doumbia won't be moving to #wba


dammm I wanted  both :'(
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: 187_homicide on July 16, 2012, 08:05:35 AM
Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski

#wba? close in on Yacob deal. Doumbia won't be joining following talks with WBA. A mutual decision. Story to follow at http://birminghammail.net
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: 187_homicide on July 16, 2012, 09:06:23 AM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Nocky on July 16, 2012, 09:57:00 AM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: sneekydevil on July 16, 2012, 12:56:49 PM
You don't need to be built like a heavyweight boxer to be a good midfield destroyer. Work-rate, positional sense, anticipation, stamina and tackling ability is much more important in that position than being built like a poohouse.

The obsession of fans and managers for players to be big is what's holding English football up.
Totally agree 100%, reading of the game is way more important than physical atttibutes, Yacob is certainly the kind of player i feel we have been missing in the middle of the park, Mulumbu and Scharner were good at the destructive side of the game but we are lacking some creativity in the centre of midfield.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on July 16, 2012, 01:01:32 PM
Playing Scarner and Mulumbu was too rigid and starved us of creation at times, having someone to drop deep and take the ball off Mulumbu/The DM and look to create is exactly what we need.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 16, 2012, 01:18:42 PM
Does show the level of planning that goes on at the Albion these days, when Scharner was being restricted in game time to prevent activation of a contract extension, it had already been decided to upgrade that position, the search was on, pretty impressive really.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Standaman on July 16, 2012, 01:31:05 PM
Totally agree 100%, reading of the game is way more important than physical atttibutes, Yacob is certainly the kind of player i feel we have been missing in the middle of the park, Mulumbu and Scharner were good at the destructive side of the game but we are lacking some creativity in the centre of midfield.

Agree for the most part but there are some games (Stoke for instance) where some extra height and strength would be useful. That said stick one of the centre backs in midfield if that is required to counter a specific threat. In any event at 5ft 11 Yacob id hardly a dwarf.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: sneekydevil on July 16, 2012, 04:05:16 PM
Agree for the most part but there are some games (Stoke for instance) where some extra height and strength would be useful. That said stick one of the centre backs in midfield if that is required to counter a specific threat. In any event at 5ft 11 Yacob id hardly a dwarf.
Plus watching the youtube clips, which i know arent always the best guideline, he looks pretty useful in the air and can def put his foot in
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on July 16, 2012, 06:18:49 PM
Agree for the most part but there are some games (Stoke for instance) where some extra height and strength would be useful. That said stick one of the centre backs in midfield if that is required to counter a specific threat. In any event at 5ft 11 Yacob id hardly a dwarf.
I see the point but for our rare win at Stoke we had Mulumbu, Morrison and Dorrans as our middle three. I'm not sure it's worth sacrificing quality to play an out of position centre back.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: lewisant on July 16, 2012, 07:17:04 PM
Site was down for a bit there so I was convinced he was signed, gutted!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: royhan on July 16, 2012, 07:57:16 PM
Site was down for a bit there so I was convinced he was signed, gutted!

Like Lewisant I keep logging on hoping to see that Yacob has signed. Fingers crossed that this rumour will have a positive outcome ;)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: koren on July 17, 2012, 12:03:56 PM
James Nursey ?@JamesNursey
#WBA closing in on Argentinian midfielder Claudio Yacob. Gather Ashworth been monitoring him since signing Juan Carlos Mensequez.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 17, 2012, 01:05:28 PM
I think a midfield 5 of  Yacob & Mulumbu with Morrison, Brunt and El Ghanassay is something to get excited about.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: GrGr on July 17, 2012, 02:28:35 PM
Please wrap this one up already so we can move on to the next one! :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Greenock Baggie on July 17, 2012, 02:53:05 PM
Please wrap this one up already so we can move on to the next one! :)
We're up to 5 pages and he STILL hasnt signed..................YAWN !! 8) ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 17, 2012, 04:43:20 PM
We're up to 5 pages and he STILL hasnt signed..................YAWN !! 8) ;D

Carew thread all over again ;)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 17, 2012, 06:35:19 PM
Obviously not going on Holiday to Sweden is he
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 17, 2012, 06:53:27 PM
Obviously not going on Holiday to Sweden is he

Quite possible if we tie a deal in the next couple of days or so WBA. He will fly straight out to join the team I would imagine.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: the rainbow turn east on July 17, 2012, 07:36:59 PM
We`re totally waisting our time on this guy Iam telling you now,
if Man Utd , Liverpool , Arsenal , Newcastle , and Spurs cant overcome the red tape then how the hell will Albion?
Its no wonder Jeremy Peace is lowering match day tickets as he knows dam well people wont be attending
matches watching the same old players. A few weeks to go before the season kicks off and we`ve signed 1
player WOW!! 2 if you include El Ghanassy who wont beable to get a work permit which means that deal will be
off to.  Albion should of just signed this Doumbia geezer and had done with it, the kid sounded like he`d
jump through a brick wall to join us.  Ive heard from a good source today that our 3rd choice is Jemba Jemba.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 17, 2012, 07:39:41 PM
We`re totally waisting our time on this guy Iam telling you now,
if Man Utd , Liverpool , Arsenal , Newcastle , and Spurs cant overcome the red tape then how the hell will Albion?
Its no wonder Jeremy Peace is lowering match day tickets as he knows dam well people wont be attending
matches watching the same old players. A few weeks to go before the season kicks off and we`ve signed 1
player WOW!! 2 if you include El Ghanassy who wont beable to get a work permit which means that deal will be
off to.  Albion should of just signed this Doumbia geezer and had done with it, the kid sounded like he`d
jump through a brick wall to join us.  Ive heard from a good source today that our 3rd choice is Jemba Jemba.

Born in Belgium so wouldn't see that being a problem
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: the rainbow turn east on July 17, 2012, 07:43:46 PM
Just read El Ghanassy is included in pre-season squad so thats good . :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Jose Clarke on July 17, 2012, 07:51:02 PM
We`re totally waisting our time on this guy Iam telling you now,
if Man Utd , Liverpool , Arsenal , Newcastle , and Spurs cant overcome the red tape then how the hell will Albion?
Its no wonder Jeremy Peace is lowering match day tickets as he knows dam well people wont be attending
matches watching the same old players. A few weeks to go before the season kicks off and we`ve signed 1
player WOW!! 2 if you include El Ghanassy who wont beable to get a work permit which means that deal will be
off to.  Albion should of just signed this Doumbia geezer and had done with it, the kid sounded like he`d
jump through a brick wall to join us.  Ive heard from a good source today that our 3rd choice is Jemba Jemba.

Bit late for that when he's already got one?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 17, 2012, 07:56:51 PM
Just read El Ghanassy is included in pre-season squad so thats good . :)
So the deal ISN'T off?! YES!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Greenock Baggie on July 17, 2012, 08:00:42 PM
Bit late for that when he's already got one?
Exactly mate  ::)

Those clubs mentioned who ( apparantly ) couldnt overcome the red tape in attempting to sign this guy didnt have a Dan Ashworth or Jezza on the case. 8)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dan on July 17, 2012, 08:07:36 PM
We`re totally waisting our time on this guy Iam telling you now,
if Man Utd , Liverpool , Arsenal , Newcastle , and Spurs cant overcome the red tape then how the hell will Albion?
Its no wonder Jeremy Peace is lowering match day tickets as he knows dam well people wont be attending
matches watching the same old players. A few weeks to go before the season kicks off and we`ve signed 1
player WOW!! 2 if you include El Ghanassy who wont beable to get a work permit which means that deal will be
off to.  Albion should of just signed this Doumbia geezer and had done with it, the kid sounded like he`d
jump through a brick wall to join us.  Ive heard from a good source today that our 3rd choice is Jemba Jemba.

I think the club have a better idea of whether he'll get a permit than you who seems to think that El Ghannassy, who's born in Belgium, would even need a work permit.

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 17, 2012, 08:09:31 PM
I haven't read anything saying the other. Clubs couldn't get a work permit. Link please.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie96 on July 17, 2012, 08:09:45 PM
Yacob has an itallian passport
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: up_the_baggies on July 17, 2012, 08:11:20 PM
We`re totally waisting our time on this guy Iam telling you now,
if Man Utd , Liverpool , Arsenal , Newcastle , and Spurs cant overcome the red tape then how the hell will Albion?
Its no wonder Jeremy Peace is lowering match day tickets as he knows dam well people wont be attending
matches watching the same old players. A few weeks to go before the season kicks off and we`ve signed 1
player WOW!! 2 if you include El Ghanassy who wont beable to get a work permit which means that deal will be
off to.  Albion should of just signed this Doumbia geezer and had done with it, the kid sounded like he`d
jump through a brick wall to join us.  Ive heard from a good source today that our 3rd choice is Jemba Jemba.

He is apparently nicknamed 'skinny girl' in the Racing dressing room ;)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KingKoren on July 17, 2012, 08:12:54 PM
Yacob has an itallian passport

It's not his though, he stole it, which is causing the hold up.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Political Cake on July 17, 2012, 08:18:41 PM
Yacob has an itallian passport
It's not his though, he stole it, which is causing the hold up.

Balotelli wasn't very happy. ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KingKoren on July 17, 2012, 08:21:26 PM
It's not his though, he stole it, which is causing the hold up.


Balotelli wasn't very happy. ;D

Which is why Man City didn't go after Yacob. It all ties together when you think about it.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on July 17, 2012, 08:53:21 PM
Drink interneting has another victim!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: royhan on July 17, 2012, 10:00:23 PM
Which is why Man City didn't go after Yacob. It all ties together when you think about it.

Is this a wind up and, if not, where is the evidence to substantiate this allegation?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Political Cake on July 17, 2012, 10:28:55 PM
Is this a wind up and, if not, where is the evidence to substantiate this allegation?

Of course it is. It better be, or there'll be trouble. :-X
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: djmark on July 17, 2012, 10:32:33 PM
I hope you're not suggesting there is corruption in Italian Football?...
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 17, 2012, 10:39:05 PM
Spanish/English translation.

 Futbol_Mercado @ Futbol_Mercado
Argentine midfielder Claudio Yacob is a new player of West Bromwich. Comes from Racing Club.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 17, 2012, 11:07:06 PM
Spanish/English translation.

 Futbol_Mercado @ Futbol_Mercado
Argentine midfielder Claudio Yacob is a new player of West Bromwich. Comes from Racing Club.


Oh Gawd BP here we go again. Think I'll switch me computer off until the club confirm it.......................
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 17, 2012, 11:56:12 PM
Is this a wind up and, if not, where is the evidence to substantiate this allegation?
It's true. I heard it from a 'very good source' today.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 18, 2012, 11:09:48 AM
We`re totally waisting our time on this guy Iam telling you now,
if Man Utd , Liverpool , Arsenal , Newcastle , and Spurs cant overcome the red tape then how the hell will Albion?
Its no wonder Jeremy Peace is lowering match day tickets as he knows dam well people wont be attending
matches watching the same old players. A few weeks to go before the season kicks off and we`ve signed 1
player WOW!! 2 if you include El Ghanassy who wont beable to get a work permit which means that deal will be
off to.  Albion should of just signed this Doumbia geezer and had done with it, the kid sounded like he`d
jump through a brick wall to join us.  Ive heard from a good source today that our 3rd choice is Jemba Jemba.

Ever thought about becoming a Talksport Journalist? A few weeks til the start of the season? We're closer to the start of the window, which extends into the season, than the end, and we've signed arguably the most important player on the pitch. I too am petrified that El Ghanassy won't get his Belgian passport accepted by the work permit people and wont sign last week and go on tour with the squad in Sweden.

Peace has lowered prices to fill our stadium as we're pushing to consolidate our position in the league and increase the capacity. No point in not being able to fill 27,000 and increasing it. I for one am happy to see our old squad with a few fresh, improved players, it's hardly going to warrant a squad overhaul to increase ticket prices.

And sign a player because he said he wants to join us and will 'jump through walls for us'? The way he spoke about us was little more than a stepping stone trying to force a transfer with his agent. We scouted El Ghanassy for two years, we're hardly going to rush into signing someone because they once said they wouldn't mind playing for us.

Your Djemba Djemba source is garbage. I can imagine it went along the lines of 'OMG ALBION ARE IN SCANDINAVIA, THEY MUST BE SCOUTING DJEMBA DJEMBA!!' we visited that two years ago, he failed his medical and they didn't want to sell cheaper. Won't happen.

I hope you're a Villa fan on a wind up.

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on July 18, 2012, 11:33:28 AM
according to the Express and Dingle deal looks like being completed by the end of the Scandanavian tour.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 18, 2012, 11:33:49 AM
We`re totally waisting our time on this guy Iam telling you now,
if Man Utd , Liverpool , Arsenal , Newcastle , and Spurs cant overcome the red tape then how the hell will Albion?
Its no wonder Jeremy Peace is lowering match day tickets as he knows dam well people wont be attending
matches watching the same old players. A few weeks to go before the season kicks off and we`ve signed 1
player WOW!! 2 if you include El Ghanassy who wont beable to get a work permit which means that deal will be
off to.  Albion should of just signed this Doumbia geezer and had done with it, the kid sounded like he`d
jump through a brick wall to join us.  Ive heard from a good source today that our 3rd choice is Jemba Jemba.

This is possibly the most ignorant and ill informed post I've read in a good few months on here. This has to be the work of a Wolves fan on the troll. If not then please get some help.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Ross on July 18, 2012, 01:15:48 PM
according to the Express and Dingle deal looks like being completed by the end of the Scandanavian tour.

This will be an amazing signing, but i can't help thinking it is too good to be true.

At the weekend we were told it would be tied up by the early half of this week, now it is getting extended again. I think im going to go into hiding until I see something of the official site :o
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on July 18, 2012, 01:25:44 PM
according to the Express and Dingle deal looks like being completed by the end of the Scandanavian tour.
lets hope so - it was never going to be quick this with the talk of red tape - could be another week to wait then .......
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KYA on July 18, 2012, 01:30:31 PM
This will be an amazing signing, but i can't help thinking it is too good to be true.

At the weekend we were told it would be tied up by the early half of this week, now it is getting extended again. I think im going to go into hiding until I see something of the official site :o

I to am nervously waiting for this one to be sorted,the best way to think about it is no bad news is good news  :).
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: liam-zuiverloon on July 18, 2012, 01:43:33 PM
Hope it gets wrapped up soon, getting bored of not having any transfer news!!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: slimboyfat1972 on July 18, 2012, 03:45:36 PM
Just heard the talksport south american football expert comment on Yacob..
He said hes ordinary, Nothing special, No intensity to his game ..Not that good a passer..In fact all he said good about him is his leadership qualities..
S
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KingKoren on July 18, 2012, 03:48:55 PM
Just heard the talksport south american football expert comment on Yacob..
He said hes ordinary, Nothing special, No intensity to his game ..Not that good a passer..In fact all he said good about him is his leadership qualities..
S

Do you know the name of this  'expert'?

That review certainly differs from others I've read.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: slimboyfat1972 on July 18, 2012, 04:05:09 PM
Sorry i hadnt finished my post ..I didnt get his name i just heard it whilst i was grafting..He was asked the question by paul hawksbee..

From everywhere i have looked reviews have been great but this guy didnt seem to rate him ..He has watched him since  the under 20's ..But then again its only his opinion..He did say he is a born leader on the pitch..

We can all make our own minds up if and when we get this guy..I like the look of him..Think he can do us a good job..
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 18, 2012, 04:14:44 PM
Just heard the talksport south american football expert comment on Yacob..
He said hes ordinary, Nothing special, No intensity to his game ..Not that good a passer..In fact all he said good about him is his leadership qualities..
S

That sounds exactly the type of under the radar player that WBA chase down in pursuit of value for money. This actually gives me cause for optimism rather than the other way round because it suggests we have spent considerable time studying his suitability for us and the PL. No guarantee he will be a hit but we will have done our homework.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: phbaggies on July 18, 2012, 04:19:19 PM
If he was the complete player he wouldnt be available on a free and there would certainly be a queue in front of us to get him if he was.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Andzy on July 18, 2012, 04:28:53 PM
The expert was Tim Vickery
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wba1993dave on July 18, 2012, 04:55:20 PM
Watch talksport now, they will  bring on expert to talk about west hams new striker, and that expert will say he is a fantastic player.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 18, 2012, 05:17:59 PM
Watch talksport now, they will  bring on expert to talk about west hams new striker, and that expert will say he is a fantastic player.

Take your point completely Dave. They are so London biased Talksport its embarrassing. I have to say though I often get to hear Tim Vickery's South American reports and they are usually very balanced and informative. Im sur he says it as he sees it but I wouldnt be too worried. As someone else has posted if he was the next Messi we wouldnt be getting a look in would we?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: knightstorm on July 18, 2012, 05:40:19 PM
Tim Vickery is in my opinion a very good judge of a player from the stuff I listen to which he does on radio 5, but it does very much depend what was asked of him...

If they asked "would he make the Barca or Argentina first team?" then you'd get a very different answer to if they asked "would he do a good job for West Brom's midfield alongside Mulumbu?"

And good though he is, Tim Vickery has been known to make mistakes - such as when he tipped the appropriately named Raphael S***e to do well at Celtic a few years ago... :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KingKoren on July 18, 2012, 05:43:15 PM
It's Claudio's Birthday today. Perhaps he is having a birthday party and that is delaying proceedings.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Moggas barmy army on July 18, 2012, 05:48:48 PM
Tim Vickery is in my opinion a very good judge of a player from the stuff I listen to which he does on radio 5, but it does very much depend what was asked of him...

If they asked "would he make the Barca or Argentina first team?" then you'd get a very different answer to if they asked "would he do a good job for West Brom's midfield alongside Mulumbu?"

And good though he is, Tim Vickery has been known to make mistakes - such as when he tipped the appropriately named Raphael S***e to do well at Celtic a few years ago... :D

I read Vickery's blogs on the bbc and he seems a well informed journalist and knows his things about South American football. However he's only a journalist and not a scout so if we have earmarked him out I trust DA and the scouting teams judgement based on the past couple of season's they haven't got too much wrong.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: slimboyfat1972 on July 18, 2012, 05:59:06 PM
Tim Vickery is in my opinion a very good judge of a player from the stuff I listen to which he does on radio 5, but it does very much depend what was asked of him...

If they asked "would he make the Barca or Argentina first team?" then you'd get a very different answer to if they asked "would he do a good job for West Brom's midfield alongside Mulumbu?"

And good though he is, Tim Vickery has been known to make mistakes - such as when he tipped the appropriately named Raphael S***e to do well at Celtic a few years ago... :D

He did sound very knowledgable to be fair to him but when asked about Yacob to west brom he immediately made his all his comparisons to Makelele and Busquets which as quite rightly has been pointed out we wouldnt be in for him if he was on that level..

I just thought the "ordinary" statement was a bit poor really..especially as he hasnt even signed yet..Oh well hes not Steve Clarke is he..

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: kris_boing on July 18, 2012, 06:03:14 PM
These type of journalists like Vickery, Marcotti & Balague are very knowedgable about their particular areas of football.  Tend to listen to what they have to say with great interest.
 
The thing is though its still their personal opinions.  I trust Dan Ashworth to get it more right that wrong.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 18, 2012, 06:04:10 PM
He did sound very knowledgable to be fair to him but when asked about Yacob to west brom he immediately made his all his comparisons to Makelele and Busquets which as quite rightly has been pointed out we wouldnt be in for him if he was on that level..

I just thought the "ordinary" statement was a bit poor really..especially as he hasnt even signed yet..Oh well hes not Steve Clarke is he..

Think its easy to hang on words in the current soundbite media world. My guess is what he meant by ordinary is that he wouldnt make it for a top side. Were not a top side so he might be about our level.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: the rainbow turn east on July 18, 2012, 06:26:31 PM
Whats the name of that player who looked like Claudio Yacob playing against Worcester ?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 18, 2012, 06:33:28 PM
Whats the name of that player who looked like Claudio Yacob playing against Worcester ?
Djemba Djemba?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 18, 2012, 07:38:45 PM
Djemba Djemba?

Alex Jones? Number 9?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Ross on July 18, 2012, 08:03:05 PM
The expert is talking complete rubbish.

I've watched the apertura and clausura this season, and he has been very solid in a mid table team.

Plenty of chance to flourish in a new environment, that's why I can't believe we are signing him... handed a few games for Argentina recently surely shows he is a good player and has potential.

Seems some lazy journalism to me.

EDIT: He wrote a piece about Godoy Cruz for the BBC last year (in Argentina prem) that was filled with flaws just to illustrate my point. Like everyone says, it's down to opinion
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: botters on July 18, 2012, 08:28:58 PM
The expert is talking complete rubbish.

I've watched the apertura and clausura this season, and he has been very solid in a mid table team.

Plenty of chance to flourish in a new environment, that's why I can't believe we are signing him... handed a few games for Argentina recently surely shows he is a good player and has potential.

Seems some lazy journalism to me.

EDIT: He wrote a piece about Godoy Cruz for the BBC last year (in Argentina prem) that was filled with flaws just to illustrate my point. Like everyone says, it's down to opinion


What do you expect from a Talksport expert!

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Andzy on July 18, 2012, 08:59:44 PM
To be honest Tim Vickery is a well respected journalist and lives in south america he did say he has been watching Yacob since he was in the Argentina under 20's.
He did compare him to busquets but only because the that was the question posed to him.
he did say he was quite ordinary as ive said he was asked to compare him to the formentioned player.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: botters on July 18, 2012, 09:06:53 PM
Well its unfair to compare him to one of the best midfield players in the world in Busquets.   
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KingKoren on July 18, 2012, 09:21:10 PM
He has played a few times for the Argentinian national team. How ordinary can he be?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 18, 2012, 10:06:32 PM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 18, 2012, 10:18:41 PM
With any player (bar the best ones in the world) not everybody who's seen him will have a positive opinion on him, it's extremely unlikely, so we shouldn't be worried that one journalist, regardless of how respected he is (not that he can respect himself too much if he works for TalkShite, but I digress) happens to not rate him. If the majority of views from watchers of him then I'd be worried, but so far we've seen a view opinions of him, and bar Vickery's they're all very positive, so we should be pleased.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie96 on July 19, 2012, 09:27:48 AM
He signed his bit Of the contract over the weekend but now wants to void the contract and sign for botafogo. He won't be signing.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 19, 2012, 09:31:21 AM
Where did you hear that?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie96 on July 19, 2012, 09:32:23 AM
Where did you hear that?
Got a relative in Argentina, it's all over the papers.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wba1993dave on July 19, 2012, 09:35:44 AM
Express and Star have said we could go back in for Doumbia..
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: royhan on July 19, 2012, 09:38:23 AM
Why hasn't CL updated this topic seeing he is with the manager and team?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: kumas0115 on July 19, 2012, 09:39:19 AM
what a joke, we so slow at doing things, same old again
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 19, 2012, 09:54:38 AM
Why hasn't CL updated this topic seeing he is with the manager and team?

CL don't know jack, sorry, but he is virtually frozen out these days, just gets a few information crumbs that the club chuck out.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mister AT on July 19, 2012, 10:00:50 AM
Im guessing if this doesnt happen it will be the 'clubs fault' again.

Need to take into consideration moving countries is a big step for some players, especiallty from South America to England.

IF he does sign for Botafogo then he obviously didnt want to sign for us that much.


We move on.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 19, 2012, 10:13:19 AM
I'm sure I read in an earlier article that a move earlier in his career didn't work out because of home sickness.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 19, 2012, 10:14:52 AM
what a joke, we so slow at doing things, same old again

Talks were still ongoing as of last night. This overreaction is comical to say the least especially as none of us know what is going on behind the scenes but its good to know that its all our clubs fault despite nothing actually happening officially yet.

As for the Express & Star saying we could go back in for Doumbia that was just in their rumours page and not in an official article from what I can see so they appear to have just as much info as Lepkowski does on this subject which is virtually nothing.

Lets wait and see before randomly going off on one.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: smethwickw on July 19, 2012, 10:16:20 AM
Express and Star have said we could go back in for Doumbia..

I suspect he was our first choice all along but we were put off by his demands. Maybe the link to Yacob has given him a push to accept lesser terms.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: woodta on July 19, 2012, 10:17:31 AM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 19, 2012, 10:18:37 AM
I suspect he was our first choice all along but we were put off by his demands. Maybe the link to Yacob has given him a push to accept lesser terms.

We often go for more than one target at a time, get so far down the line with a deal and then go for one or the other. We did the same with Fortune and a bloke from a Portuguese team (he went to Bolton in the end).
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: lewisant on July 19, 2012, 10:19:18 AM
I think everybody should calm down in reaction to rumours. All these knee jerk reactions are so OTT. Don't get too excited when we're linked to players and don't get too angry if things fail. T heres so much hate towards odemwingie on his topic and all that seems to have happened is that he's been bid for . This guy may or may not sign, it's not the end of the world if he doesn't so chill out!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 19, 2012, 10:22:02 AM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: woodta on July 19, 2012, 10:31:13 AM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 19, 2012, 10:35:59 AM
More of a stretch in that case.

Will be interesting to see what actually happens legally especially if he has signed some kind of deal with us and has changed his mind.

*key word in bold
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 19, 2012, 10:48:43 AM
He signed his bit Of the contract over the weekend but now wants to void the contract and sign for botafogo. He won't be signing.

He was linked with Botafogo before he was linked with us, and he obviously spoke with us after interest was shown by them, it's not like they came in last minute and swooped.

Everyone chill.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on July 19, 2012, 10:49:50 AM
 ;D  Sometimes I prefer this time of the season to the actual playing side
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KYA on July 19, 2012, 11:40:50 AM
This deal should have been done by now so obviously a change of mind or other interests have come into play.
Looking unlikely now i feel ,if he chooses Botofoga for the money thats a mistake because had he done well at the Albion he would move on and reap the rewards that way.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 19, 2012, 11:50:51 AM
Makes me laugh when people say deals should have been done by now not knowing what has to happen behind the scenes to try and strike a deal, there are so many things to consider that it can take a long time to come to any kind of agreement and it isn't always clubs that hold things up. There are advisors, agents and the players themselves to consider in deals as well as any other clubs that may also be talking to them, it isn't a simple process especially with any language barriers to get over.

I fail to see the panic in all honesty as officially the stance remains the same as it was days ago, we are in talks with the player and his representatives about a potential move and nothing has really changed as far as I know so I don't really get the panic from some. If he does go on to sign for someone else then we move on, if he joins us then great but we will all just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Chipperfan on July 19, 2012, 12:14:07 PM
Have to agree with BH. There's so much that goes intothese deals that we never see. Like an iceberg, but probably more like 99% of the machinations remain hidden from view.

This is a bloke that most of us had never heard of a couple of weeks back, so why worry if he goes elsewhere? DA will have other irons in the fire, for other players we've never heard of!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: bangkokbaggie on July 19, 2012, 12:17:25 PM
Makes me laugh when people say deals should have been done by now not knowing what has to happen behind the scenes to try and strike a deal, there are so many things to consider that it can take a long time to come to any kind of agreement and it isn't always clubs that hold things up. There are advisors, agents and the players themselves to consider in deals as well as any other clubs that may also be talking to them, it isn't a simple process especially with any language barriers to get over.

I fail to see the panic in all honesty as officially the stance remains the same as it was days ago, we are in talks with the player and his representatives about a potential move and nothing has really changed as far as I know so I don't really get the panic from some. If he does go on to sign for someone else then we move on, if he joins us then great but we will all just have to wait and see.

You make good points and none of us really knows what is going on behind the scenes.

However for whatever reason we do seem to be involved in protracted player negotiations more than most other clubs which sometimes ends in disappointment.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hayward1984 on July 19, 2012, 12:24:32 PM
Tchoyi deal took about 8 weeks to clear red tape.

CALM DOWN PLEASE.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 19, 2012, 12:37:38 PM
You make good points and none of us really knows what is going on behind the scenes.

However for whatever reason we do seem to be involved in protracted player negotiations more than most other clubs which sometimes ends in disappointment.

Could it be that we are fully focused on what our club does and actually follow deals through to their conclusion whatever it may be where as we don't follow the business of other clubs so thoroughly so deals may appear to happen quicker even if they don't?

We are more careful with our negotiations as we are desperate to get the best deal for the club due to our limited resources and that often includes the flex-down clauses that we seem to insist on so things would probably take a little longer than with other clubs that are happy to throw their money in straight off and not insist on such clauses. Foreign deals are always more difficult though with plenty of red tape and language barriers to hurdle too.

As always with every potential move its a case of lets wait and see but having already gone so far down the line with Doumbia it shows that we have other options so whatever happens there is no need to panic. We all want our first choice targets but for whatever reason it can't always happen.
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 19, 2012, 12:48:33 PM
Well I've had it on good authority today he will be signing.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 19, 2012, 12:50:16 PM
Well I've had it on good authority today he will be signing.

Press conference at 1pm!  :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: lewisant on July 19, 2012, 12:56:15 PM
Well I've had it on good authority today he will be signing.

Is it the same authority that said AVB would be boss?!  :P  just playing around before anyone gets wound up! Can't even really remember if it was you who said that
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dexy on July 19, 2012, 01:03:58 PM
For me if he signs all well and good and if he doesn't he doesn't,i want players who 100% want to be at the club.
We all know the club will have a large list of similar players with our much improved scouting these days.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on July 19, 2012, 01:09:47 PM
for all we know he could have already signed an agreement to join us, having a work permit accepted for him will take time
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hayward1984 on July 19, 2012, 01:45:37 PM
Nice smoke screen Jezza. 

Djemba Djemba signed on Monday then.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: the rainbow turn east on July 19, 2012, 01:53:17 PM
A guy in the club shop told me the Claudio Yacob deal is off as there is to much red tape involved.
Albion will sign Djemba Djemba who was at the training ground today.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dorrans17Long9 on July 19, 2012, 01:55:46 PM
Not sure about it's credibility but...
http://www.telam.com.ar/nota/32147/
Headline roughly translates as Yacob regrets going to England and wants to settle with Botafogo :'(
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: kc56wba on July 19, 2012, 01:59:52 PM
A guy in the club shop told me the Claudio Yacob deal is off as there is to much red tape involved.
Albion will sign Djemba Djemba who was at the training ground today.
Would you believe him if he told you we signed Messi.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: up_the_baggies on July 19, 2012, 02:02:05 PM
Would you believe him if he told you we signed Messi.
We're signing Messi?!  :o
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 19, 2012, 02:04:06 PM
Would you believe him if he told you we signed Messi.

I get the impression it wasn't a serious post. As for Messi, bring him on and if he doesn't sign by 3 then the club are an absolute disgrace and should be ashamed of themselves.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: royhan on July 19, 2012, 02:07:08 PM
If he has signed an agreement with us and wants to break this then it should cost his 'new' club big time. We should be able to demand a sizeable transfer fee.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: michaelwh on July 19, 2012, 02:08:09 PM
Clubs have looked at this guy before but were put off by the problem of getting a work permit.Seems very strange that we thought we could overcome this problem.But if there is a good player going free I guess JP just cant resist.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: kc56wba on July 19, 2012, 02:15:06 PM
I get the impression it wasn't a serious post. As for Messi, bring him on and if he doesn't sign by 3 then the club are an absolute disgrace and should be ashamed of themselves.
Do you think mine was. ;D  On a serious note if Yacob has or as not signed we will hear sooner enough. 8)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: lewisant on July 19, 2012, 02:18:51 PM
Where's all this djemba djemba talk come from?!?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 19, 2012, 02:21:58 PM
Where's all this djemba djemba talk come from?!?

What posters have said a few pages back due to the disappointment of us apparently missing out on Yacob and Doumbia.

No substance to it, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Floydy on July 19, 2012, 02:23:22 PM
D'ya member we looked at him before  ;)

Sorry - I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KYA on July 19, 2012, 02:27:33 PM
Not sure about it's credibility but...
http://www.telam.com.ar/nota/32147/ (http://www.telam.com.ar/nota/32147/)
Headline roughly translates as Yacob regrets going to England and wants to settle with Botafogo :'(

Heres the full report he as had second thoughts as seemed likely with the delay.
By all accounts he only as till tomorrow to be able to sign Botafogo.


Yacob was sorry to go to England and wants to settle with Botafogo


Photos











Midfielder Claudio Yacob, who was free of Racing, regretted having signed a preliminary contract with English club West Bromwich Albion and now want to break that agreement to go play Botafogo, Brazil, as published on Thursday the Brazilian press.


Yacob, according to Globo Esporte, repented of the firm because in the pre-contract accepted a certain salary in England unaware that taxes are too high.


Botafogo offers $ 125,000 salary, double what they earn in England, and that is why Yacob communicated with club leaders and asked them, crying, according to that average, wait until you cancel the signed document with West Bromwich.


The Argentine now needs to convince the British to cancel the pre-contract and quickly move to Brazil, because tomorrow closes the book of passes in the South American country.


Yacob was U-20 world champion with the Argentine national team in Canada 2007 and was free of Racing last month, without having played in the past six months to be separated from the upper campus not to renew his relationship with the entity of Avellaneda.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: matt_home1 on July 19, 2012, 02:28:56 PM
all the hysteria, is boring me, ill await the official, we have signed, or the official we have pulled out of the race, before excitement or disappointment sets in, let things take their course, we cant change them
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BobTaylor on July 19, 2012, 02:34:10 PM
Tbf if he has made that choice i cant blame him why would you play in england when you can go to spain, brazil, etc madness, still a wounder for us but will move on to others.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 19, 2012, 02:35:29 PM
so let me get this straight, the argentine wants the british club to relinquish control of him.

I see Falkland fallout in the South American papers methinks  ;) surprised the local government haven't caught up on this
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 19, 2012, 02:37:00 PM
all the hysteria, is boring me, ill await the official, we have signed, or the official we have pulled out of the race, before excitement or disappointment sets in, let things take their course, we cant change them

How dare you come on here with your level headedness....don't you know that hysteria is the fuel for the fire! ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: michaelwh on July 19, 2012, 02:37:38 PM
As always in these drawn out transfers(which is most deals we do).The club has treated the fans with total contempt.A simple update once in a blue would be nice.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KingKoren on July 19, 2012, 02:43:33 PM
As always in these drawn out transfers(which is most deals we do).The club has treated the fans with total contempt.A simple update once in a blue would be nice.

The one thing surely you can't criticise is the way we conduct our transfers. We do it as professionally and diligently as possible. If it takes a long time to get the best possible deal, so be it. Updating fans with news about transfers would be very unwise in my opinion.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 19, 2012, 02:44:05 PM
As always in these drawn out transfers(which is most deals we do).The club has treated the fans with total contempt.A simple update once in a blue would be nice.
and say what, hey guys we are after player x,y and z they have a fee of this,this and this. They want these wages but we want to give them this, of course now that we've told you this it's open info now so another team could easily outbid us but whatever, thought you'd like to know.

short answer:- we don't NEED to know
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: GrGr on July 19, 2012, 02:44:35 PM
As always in these drawn out transfers(which is most deals we do).The club has treated the fans with total contempt.A simple update once in a blue would be nice.

Update on what? We are having talks with players we are interested in. We took a break until Monday. Player X's agent is a bit of an arse and demands three lumps of sugar in his tea. 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: michaelwh on July 19, 2012, 02:49:34 PM
So you are saying the club shouldn't issue a statement on transfer which have broken down such as Doumbia.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: smethwickw on July 19, 2012, 02:50:38 PM
As always in these drawn out transfers(which is most deals we do).The club has treated the fans with total contempt.A simple update once in a blue would be nice.

I'd rather the club said nothing to be honest. Too many times have we announced we have been after someone only for it to fall through. Ehiogu, Carew, Hargreaves etc.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dudleylad on July 19, 2012, 02:52:19 PM
I cant see how any fan can think the club is treating the fans with contempt.

They have said they are in discussions with the player at this point everything else will and should remain confidential.

Some of the posts on the transfer forum in general really strike me as fans wanting it all now and not being prepared to wait abit of the 'Varuca Salt Syndrome' creeping into our fans now we have stayed up for a few seasons.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 19, 2012, 02:53:52 PM
As always in these drawn out transfers(which is most deals we do).The club has treated the fans with total contempt.A simple update once in a blue would be nice.

We're not a celebrity football club and rightfully we should keep things behind closed doors.

I think people would be all the more annoyed if we claimed our interest in a player on the official site and it doesn't work out for some reason or another. How it is now, is how it should be in my opinion. Owen Hargreaves was one we publically declared on the official site and got nowhere with.

If folk can't get by without a bit of gossip or rumour then, well, that's their problem.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: michaelwh on July 19, 2012, 02:55:52 PM
Surely if the club would issue a simple statement such as in the case of Doumbia and Yacob it would put an end to a lot of the rubbish and constant speculation.Im not expecting figures to be released only a fool would expect that.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: lewisant on July 19, 2012, 02:58:30 PM
Clarke said last night talks with yacob were ongoing. The club told local press the doumbia deal was off so they have already done exactly what you are asking
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mat15(MH) on July 19, 2012, 02:59:00 PM
So you are saying the club shouldn't issue a statement on transfer which have broken down such as Doumbia.

Maybe this one hasn't broke down then? And the Doumbia story came out in the press, maybe the club let that information out.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: michaelwh on July 19, 2012, 03:04:50 PM
Leaking story to favored journos is hardly a statement it simply adds to the rumour mill.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: GrGr on July 19, 2012, 03:05:50 PM
Surely if the club would issue a simple statement such as in the case of Doumbia and Yacob it would put an end to a lot of the rubbish and constant speculation.Im not expecting figures to be released only a fool would expect that.

There will be a lot of rubbish regardless. Like the rubbish with PO moving on that keeps coming up. Some people just like to spread rubbish and will grasp any opportunity to do so.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: geoff on July 19, 2012, 03:12:26 PM
We're signing Messi?!  :o

Sky sports now saying"Albion are close to signing Messi according to one of there sources  ;)"
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 19, 2012, 03:17:59 PM
Sky sports now saying"Albion are close to signing Messi according to one of there sources  ;)"
your smiley winky face leads me to believe everything you said as fact and that these sources are incredibly reliable and never create news for sensationalism sake
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on July 19, 2012, 03:18:23 PM
Surely if the club would issue a simple statement such as in the case of Doumbia and Yacob it would put an end to a lot of the rubbish and constant speculation.Im not expecting figures to be released only a fool would expect that.

No it wouldn't, because you wouldn't believe what they're telling you!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: gerry m on July 19, 2012, 03:58:55 PM
As always in these drawn out transfers(which is most deals we do).The club has treated the fans with total contempt.A simple update once in a blue would be nice.

and let other clubs know who our targets are! yes that makes perfect sense! NOT
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Shanewba90 on July 19, 2012, 04:23:52 PM
Can somebody enlighten me a little. if a player doesn't want to come to this club because he just doesn't want to, how is that the clubs fault? Are we meant to kidnapp and force him to play then  ???
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 19, 2012, 04:24:45 PM
Me? Im with Roy..................................Buy British
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KingKoren on July 19, 2012, 04:49:45 PM
Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski

Re Yacob. Find it a little difficult to believe UK's tax criteria weren't mentioned during his talks last week. Will seek clarity post-game

This transfer is turning into a saga it seems.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Barrington on July 19, 2012, 05:03:13 PM
So basically, he's changed his mind because he prefers sun and more money. Now he's "crying" like a girl to us to get his pre-contract agreement ripped up as he's had this other offer. Don't let him get that agreement cancelled Jezza. Don't know if I'd want him now anyway 'IF' those reports are accurate.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Jamesa2407 on July 19, 2012, 05:11:21 PM
Following on from a few comments above, Firstly I don't understand why people 'Create' Speculation. Is it to be noticed by other users? or just to try and be different. When a deal especially with a free agent it can be even more complicated, they are free to talk to which ever and how many clubs they want, with little or no restrictions. When this deal became public, it sparked more club's to make a move for him as it always does, and following on from what BH baggie said, the language barrier and other factor's in a deal can drag things out.
However yes I do hope he sign's I think he will be that box to box midfielder we are lacking. We have attacking midfielders we have a defensive midfielder in Mulumbu, And Yacob really fit's the model in between both attacking and defensive. However if he and I repeat he chooses not to sign, then it's not the end of the world as Albion will just move on and find and discover other target, maybe better targets.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: hardtobeat on July 19, 2012, 05:16:47 PM
If we want him that bad perhaps we should fix an appointment with Jimmy Carrs accountant(probably a friend of Jp's)!! ;) ;)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 19, 2012, 05:18:52 PM
Following on from a few comments above, Firstly I don't understand why people 'Create' Speculation. Is it to be noticed by other users? or just to try and be different. When a deal especially with a free agent it can be even more complicated, they are free to talk to which ever and how many clubs they want, with little or no restrictions. When this deal became public, it sparked more club's to make a move for him as it always does, and following on from what BH baggie said, the language barrier and other factor's in a deal can drag things out.
However yes I do hope he sign's I think he will be that box to box midfielder we are lacking. We have attacking midfielders we have a defensive midfielder in Mulumbu, And Yacob really fit's the model in between both attacking and defensive. However if he and I repeat he chooses not to sign, then it's not the end of the world as Albion will just move on and find and discover other target, maybe better targets.

first question is already answered.
second is Yacob seems even more defensive minded than Mulumbu and Scharner. I believe it's the other way around. Mulumbu will have license to move up with yacob supplying the ball. i wouldn't be surprised if this turns out that Mulumbu's goal record increases next season to what it was two years ago
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 19, 2012, 05:21:38 PM
If we want him that bad perhaps we should fix an appointment with Jimmy Carrs accountant(probably a friend of Jp's)!! ;) ;)
What you talking about Willis?!
you implying JP's Dodgy? perish the thought.  :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Jamesa2407 on July 19, 2012, 05:27:41 PM
first question is already answered.
second is Yacob seems even more defensive minded than Mulumbu and Scharner. I believe it's the other way around. Mulumbu will have license to move up with yacob supplying the ball. i wouldn't be surprised if this turns out that Mulumbu's goal record increases next season to what it was two years ago

This is a fair comment, However Mulumbu's weakness does seem to be on the ball. He seem's to be able to sweep up the midfield and tackle all day long, when he get's the ball at his feet he can miss place passes or not be quite sure what to do with it (sometimes)! I am not criticising as mulumbu is vital to our team, I would just personally see yacob further up the pitch
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Standaman on July 19, 2012, 05:44:27 PM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 19, 2012, 05:51:54 PM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 19, 2012, 06:21:51 PM
Take him to court. He signed the contract, when signing a contract you can't suddenly demand to have it voided because you've changed your mind.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggie79 on July 19, 2012, 06:27:31 PM
In the clear light of day I would expect that if he does want to go to Brazil then Botafago would end up paying us a small fee to release him from the pre contract and as they need to sign him by tomorrow we have a good bargaining position.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: lewisant on July 19, 2012, 06:36:53 PM
it sounded like it was so close to being done, so i'm guessing there is something signed which is complicate everything, do we have a saga on our hands?! Not many direct quotes out there from anybody
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Standaman on July 19, 2012, 06:41:09 PM
In the clear light of day I would expect that if he does want to go to Brazil then Botafago would end up paying us a small fee to release him from the pre contract and as they need to sign him by tomorrow we have a good bargaining position.

Agreed there is very little point in compelling him to come and play with us but someone should buy-out the pre contract agreement which should be binding otherwise what is the point of the agreement?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 19, 2012, 06:48:40 PM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: royhan on July 19, 2012, 06:51:11 PM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wba1993dave on July 19, 2012, 06:53:38 PM
Were all going paper talk, no facts have been given to us as of yet. Who's to say he wont be a baggie on Friday. The Brazil club would of signed him by now if they really wanted him. Lets just wait for now.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: gerry m on July 19, 2012, 06:55:08 PM
if he has signed a pre-contract agreement then technically he is our player! we should be able to ask what we want for him?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mossi28 on July 19, 2012, 06:56:28 PM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KYA on July 19, 2012, 07:39:05 PM
Someone posted earlier about why do people speculate about transfers,is it to bring attention to the poster?.
Thats the whole point of the transfer forum is it not otherwise why bother having this forum.
One eventuality not raised about Yacob is where does everybody stand if he dosent sign for Botafoga before the deadline.
A bit akward then to say the least.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggies on July 19, 2012, 07:46:12 PM
If the Argentinian and Brazilian press have got this right, then im not sure if he is worth pressuring into signing. If we can get a fee for him it might be worth considering. It would be a blow to lose our top target but do we want a player who potentially does not want to move here?

These stories must have come from somewhere, be it his agent or somebody else.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: EveshamBaggy on July 19, 2012, 08:10:24 PM
Can someone tell me where the reports that it has broken down have come from?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggielad82 on July 19, 2012, 08:27:30 PM
Can someone tell me where the reports that it has broken down have come from?

Yes, I'm wondering that too. Not seen anything about this anywhere myself!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 19, 2012, 08:29:13 PM
Yes, I'm wondering that too. Not seen anything about this anywhere myself!
In the local to him (Argentina) papers.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KYA on July 19, 2012, 08:39:17 PM
Its reported on Telam a news site if you want to view it yourself you will need to translate it.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: EveshamBaggy on July 19, 2012, 08:56:04 PM
Its reported on Telam a news site if you want to view it yourself you will need to translate it.

Thanks, seems a bit far fetched to me. But who knows...
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Ross on July 19, 2012, 11:01:17 PM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wba1993dave on July 19, 2012, 11:11:36 PM
80k a week

(http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/birmmail/feb2011/9/8/jeremy-peace-933504714.jpg)


No chance lol
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wba1993dave on July 19, 2012, 11:25:08 PM
CL - Update in Friday's Birmingham Mail.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wba1993dave on July 19, 2012, 11:33:25 PM
A brazil sports writer just tweeted he "He seems to have regretted choosing West Brom, wants to cancel the pre-contract and join Botafogo instead"  But he only has a day to do it. I remember Hamman of Liverpool did a similar thing he agreed to sign for Bolton but then changed his mind and wanted to join Man City. Man City had to pay 400k to cancel that agreement. Expect something similar if indeed he wants to joins the brazil team.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: addy on July 19, 2012, 11:45:59 PM
Yacob can not release and is out of the plans of Botafogo
ON JULY 19, 2012 TO 12H32

Botafogo waited until the last moment by steering Argentinian Claudio Yacob, former Racing, but the mess made by the player claimed the cancellation of his engagement on the morning of Thursday. He could not cancel the agreement made with West Bromwich, England, a club with which he signed a preliminary contract and now must travel on Friday to introduce himself to the English.

At 25, Yacob was considered one of the great pearls of Argentine football still active in the country. His contract with Racing ended on June 30 and since then, Botafogo hoped his coming to Rio he would do medical examinations, would sign the contract and would be presented as a further enhancement, with two-year contract, renewable for another and a half.

However, the player chose to wait longer for a good deal of European football. With passage scheduled for Rio de Janeiro at the beginning of last week, he came to be incommunicado and the trip was canceled. The only club on the continent to send official documents to the player was West Bromwich, with values ??that impressed. But after signing the document was disappointed to learn that high taxes were not deducted English.

On Wednesday, Yacob called for representatives of Botafogo crying in the clubhouse where he explained the situation and asked for a deadline until Thursday morning to solve the problem. He could not, and how the international transfer window ends Friday, his contract will not happen again.

http://www.expressomt.com.br/esportes/yacob-nao-consegue-liberacao-e-esta-fora-dos-planos-do-botafogo-22912.html
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KingKoren on July 19, 2012, 11:50:50 PM
Well this is going to be awkward.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 19, 2012, 11:53:31 PM
A player coming who it would appear doesn't particularly want to be here. Hardly got 'coup' written all over it.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Barrington on July 19, 2012, 11:58:40 PM
Hmmm - Potentially got a new signing who preferred a different club only a day before (if those reports are accurate) the move is completed. If this does go through, let's hope that he's the type of chap who is professional and will look to throw himself into helping himself and the club as much as possible. That way both parties will benefit and if he plays really well he can earn himself a move to Brazil ;)     Good work Jezza/Ashworth.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Pseudo_Intel on July 20, 2012, 12:00:17 AM
Surely it won't happen in the end? I don't know though - I'm no expert.

Could somebody who is more well-versed in the area of transfers enlighten me here? From what I can gather:

- He does have some interest in the premier league, but since we cannot provide him with sufficient wages he's looking elsewhere, in this case in Brazil where he's been offered a contract by one of their clubs

- He has however signed a "pre-contract agreement" or something like that which binds him to WBA in some way and he can't get out of it?

- So, if the move occurs we're stuck with a player who doesn't want to play for us?

Oh no.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dan on July 20, 2012, 12:07:24 AM
Not a good way to endear himself to the fans or fellow players if he does sign. He'll be up against it from the start.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Barrington on July 20, 2012, 12:14:32 AM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Standaman on July 20, 2012, 12:47:54 AM
I feel really uncomfortable about this. It is difficult for South American's to adjust to life in English football and one that does not really want to be here in the first place I think  has no chance and unless the whole Botafogo thing was a rumour which got blown up by the Brazilian and Argentine media then we have a problem.

I think the tax issue is just a bit of a smokescreen it wouldn't take his agent more than about five minutes to find out about UK tax rates so it just sounds like a desperate attempt to wriggle out of the pre-contract agreement because Botafogo were offering more money. In any event the Brazilian transfer window for signing overseas players closes tomorrow so one way or the other the issue will be resolved.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 20, 2012, 02:20:27 AM
Yacob can not release and is out of the plans of Botafogo
ON JULY 19, 2012 TO 12H32

Botafogo waited until the last moment by steering Argentinian Claudio Yacob, former Racing, but the mess made by the player claimed the cancellation of his engagement on the morning of Thursday. He could not cancel the agreement made with West Bromwich, England, a club with which he signed a preliminary contract and now must travel on Friday to introduce himself to the English.

At 25, Yacob was considered one of the great pearls of Argentine football still active in the country. His contract with Racing ended on June 30 and since then, Botafogo hoped his coming to Rio he would do medical examinations, would sign the contract and would be presented as a further enhancement, with two-year contract, renewable for another and a half.

However, the player chose to wait longer for a good deal of European football. With passage scheduled for Rio de Janeiro at the beginning of last week, he came to be incommunicado and the trip was canceled. The only club on the continent to send official documents to the player was West Bromwich, with values ??that impressed. But after signing the document was disappointed to learn that high taxes were not deducted English.

On Wednesday, Yacob called for representatives of Botafogo crying in the clubhouse where he explained the situation and asked for a deadline until Thursday morning to solve the problem. He could not, and how the international transfer window ends Friday, his contract will not happen again.

http://www.expressomt.com.br/esportes/yacob-nao-consegue-liberacao-e-esta-fora-dos-planos-do-botafogo-22912.html

What an absolute tool. So basically the story is Botafogo wanted him, he decides to wait for a European club to come along instead, we offer him a contract, he signs it, then realises that because of tax he won't get as much as he thinks he's getting, tries and fails to get the contract annulled, goes to see representatives of Botafogo crying to them asking for a deadline to sort it out, fails to meet this deadline, and now we're stuck with him. Wow.

I can't see how he can possibly play for us now. No club in the world has fans that would accept a player into the team who doesn't want to be one of their players, and our club wouldn't be stupid enough to commit PR suicide by introducing him as a player either. Plus Clarke and the players are unlikely to want him here either, then it goes without saying that you can't afford to field a player who isn't 100% dedicated to the team. Would Botafogo want him either? He seems to have initally chosen us over them, with him being the one crying off to them saying he wants them to sign him afterall when he suddenly regretted signing for West Brom.

I expect the little problem with Yacob to be dealt with swiftly. If Botafogo can't/won't take him off our hands, then his contract will be cancelled or he'll be put up as a free transfer. True, the club would want to get some sort of fee for him, but I think they'll be more desperate to get a player who can't play and presumably is a high earner off the wage list as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wappingbaggie on July 20, 2012, 04:54:56 AM
really hope this deal gets cancelled - there is no way any south american player will ever be able to settle in the west midlands
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: royhan on July 20, 2012, 05:11:27 AM
really hope this deal gets cancelled - there is no way any south american player will ever be able to settle in the west midlands

Jara has never really had a problem settling in.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on July 20, 2012, 06:36:35 AM
I know its business but if I had a say I'd rip his contract up .
If the reports are true, this looks like it now has trouble written all over it, and could be more trouble than its worth.
An Argy with attitude is all we need.
The boo boys will have a field day the first time he puts in a bad performance.
Get shot.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: pete on July 20, 2012, 07:20:02 AM
Its hard enough to have South Americans blend in over here, let alone one that doesnt want to be here!

I dont want him playing in the Stripes if he isnt committed to the cause!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: kris_boing on July 20, 2012, 07:24:07 AM
What a complete plonker this bloke is.  Who the hell are his agents or advisors?
 
He gets offered a deal by the Argentinian club, gets what he thinks is a better offer from us, signs the deal then finds out we have a higher tax rate so will be earning less than he would back in Argentina.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KYA on July 20, 2012, 07:41:21 AM
A couple of assumptions to be made here.
Apparantly they have offered arounf 40K a week so if he chose Albion intially we have offered more.
Wasn't there a press story along the lines of certain footballers Ronaldo etc paying little or no tax because of some loophole,obviously going back a while as Ronaldo was mentioned.
It seems to me odd that they didn't know our tax rates,i'm guessing thats a smokescreen he chose Albion for more money and now he as had second thoughts about coming to England.
Maybe he didn't like the weather.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on July 20, 2012, 07:42:37 AM
The bloke sounds like an mercinary idiot to me.

Don't really fancy him coming here now.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Greenock Baggie on July 20, 2012, 08:35:06 AM
Look at the pallarva Man City had with Tevez................I can see this being even worse. Forget him and go and get Doumbia instead !
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mike on July 20, 2012, 08:39:37 AM
Sure JP will have a few questions for Dan Ashworth.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: royhan on July 20, 2012, 08:57:27 AM
I am surprised that there is no reference in CL's report to whether or not Yacob has signed a contract. Surely this is the crux of the matter.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 20, 2012, 09:01:38 AM
Well this will be fun.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: derbybaggie on July 20, 2012, 09:14:20 AM
What people have to understand is that too an agent wages are not of any particular use its the signing on fee and that's where I think the agent has been blinded by the tax situation plus I'm sure I readout a potential third party ownership here too I'm afraid its not what's always best for us or the player but his greedy advisors
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 20, 2012, 09:19:18 AM
If, and it's an enormous IF right now, he plays for us next season, we have a lovely big banner saying 'Welcome to West Bromwich, twinned with Rio De Janeiro' and break out the old 'West Bromwich Brazil' logos.

Paul Scharner admitted he didn't want to stay with us originally, only planning to spend a year with us and having numerous clubs he'd rather play for written into his contract so that if they approached us he could go. Maybe we can turn this guy. Though lets face it, he sounds like a right wuss.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BobTaylor on July 20, 2012, 09:44:20 AM
Think we need to get a tumble weed smiley for this signing by the sounds of things, Are we a bit to blame here ? you would want any potential player to come over and get a feel for this country and would know the tax system etc.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albion79 on July 20, 2012, 10:04:01 AM
Not normally one to judge  people but going on this blokes supposed actions the last week  or so it wouldnt surprise me if he has signed a contract with us and doesnt get his own way he will just go on strike and not come over.

I know the wages for a footballer are great but the reports suggest he may be a bit of an idiot (or his agents are, again its translations, etc so wont write him off completely) but if he dont want to come over to West Bromwich, is feeling sorry for himself about the whole thing i just think he will go on strike or if he does come over you would probably have to question whether he will really fancy it anyway.

If it is severe as been made out and he has been crying begging to not have to come over then i would just tear his contract up.

Might just need Jara to take him out for a pint or something!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: mulliganstired on July 20, 2012, 10:10:22 AM
If it's true, just pull the plug
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Signor_Maresca on July 20, 2012, 10:19:32 AM
On Wednesday, Yacob called for representatives of Botafogo crying in the clubhouse where he explained the situation

Love this guy's warrior spirit!
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: A5HB on July 20, 2012, 10:19:53 AM
Not sure I really believe all of this, foreign media can be a bit misleading. Just look at the French media, they had Doumbia signed and sealed before he had even come for talks.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 20, 2012, 10:34:38 AM
you dont know how much is media talk.
secondly we are going on translations of what could be media talk.
thirdly this may be the agent rather than the player.

and people suggesting we can go back in for Doumbia... didnt he reject our terms? so another greedy grasping b*****d?
Title: Re: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: knightstorm on July 20, 2012, 10:50:32 AM
you dont know how much is media talk.
secondly we are going on translations of what could be media talk.
thirdly this may be the agent rather than the player.

and people suggesting we can go back in for Doumbia... didnt he reject our terms? so another greedy grasping b*****d?
Fair point.  He wouldn't be the first player to be screwed over by his agent & advisors.
Paper talk & translations are not good & of course the Brazilian media will make out that he was desperate to go there.  Especially if the media is as club biased as ours is to the London clubs.  They use it as posturing against the other clubs across the world of "their statement of intent" even if they have no real intention of getting the player.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Standaman on July 20, 2012, 10:54:25 AM
The whole thing hinges on
I am surprised that there is no reference in CL's report to whether or not Yacob has signed a contract. Surely this is the crux of the matter.

All the Albion have ever said that we are in discussions with him and quite rightly are trying to conduct those discussions in private. If the player has said he wants to join Botafogo but has signed a pre contractual agreement the Club does not want to air that particular item of dirty washing in public because either he will join us and the club do not want to make it any more difficult for him to get the fans onside or they are in discussions with Botafogo and his agent trying to resolve the issue. Either way making gung-ho statements in the media will not help.

I am not surprised they are mystified about the talk about tax rates it is pure and simple Botafogo have stuck their oar in at the last minute. Anyway the Brazilian transfer window closes today or maybe in the early hours of tomorrow morning UK time so this situation will be resolved shortly.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mossi28 on July 20, 2012, 11:23:29 AM
Steve Madeley and CL have confirmed that Yakob has in fact signed his pre-contract agreement with us but the player is tempted by Botafogo not really sure what's going to happen with this as the south american window closes tonigh.

*EDIT* Just had a quick look on the Botafogo website and it looks like they have just signed a centre midfielder called Nicolas Loderio, maybe he has gone instead of Yakob
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BoingFlyer on July 20, 2012, 11:33:34 AM


Anyone remember when Tevez and Mascherano signed for West Ham and the fine they got for not having the propper papers. I woulder if the ownership of Yacob is the issue here and third parties looking for extra cash.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/6594613.stm
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 20, 2012, 11:47:01 AM
I genuinely couldn't care less at this moment if he does not want to play for us ,i myself am not too keen on Nissan micras but could I drive one . Hell yeah, andy cole and teddy shearing ham didn't speak did it work ?
Facts are he is a pro footballer who will possibly grow to like the place and at this point I think he will sign.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KYA on July 20, 2012, 11:49:13 AM
Steve Madeley and CL have confirmed that Yakob has in fact signed his pre-contract agreement with us but the player is tempted by Botafogo not really sure what's going to happen with this as the south american window closes tonigh.

*EDIT* Just had a quick look on the Botafogo website and it looks like they have just signed a centre midfielder called Nicolas Loderio, maybe he has gone instead of Yakob

Interesting i have read somewhere they can only sign two players outside Brazil and they already have Seedorf so that may be the end of it from their point of view
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on July 20, 2012, 12:16:59 PM
There is a little bit on pre-contracts in this article by sports law company, but what it means for this situation is anyone's guess:

http://www.brabnerschaffestreet.com/downloads/football-in-focus-march-06.pdf

Reading between the lines the pre-cotract should have included clauses on how to manage the 'risk' of a more lucrative offer from another club and which side was to bear this risk.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Barrington on July 20, 2012, 12:27:53 PM
...get ready for the picture of him holding up an Albion scarf at the training ground and quotes of how 'delighted' he is to have joined the club  :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on July 20, 2012, 12:30:46 PM
Anyway the Brazilian transfer window closes today or maybe in the early hours of tomorrow morning UK time so this situation will be resolved shortly.

Not necessarily if he's a free agent.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Barrington on July 20, 2012, 12:32:07 PM
There is a little bit on pre-contracts in this article by sports law company, but what it means for this situation is anyone's guess:

http://www.brabnerschaffestreet.com/downloads/football-in-focus-march-06.pdf

Reading between the lines the pre-cotract should have included clauses on how to manage the 'risk' of a more lucrative offer from another club and which side was to bear this risk.

His tears suggest that it was his side that was bearing that risk  ;)   There would be absolutely no point in us agreeing to a pre-contract that said that he could go and sign for another club on a whim if he felt that their offer was slightly better. He's been a very silly boy by the looks of things.
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: A5HB on July 20, 2012, 12:32:31 PM
To be honest I'm not fussed about him wanting to go to botofogo. It doesn't mean he wouldn't be happy playing for us, just means he'd be happier playing for them. If they can't sort something or of we come down hard with the pre contract agreement I'm sure he'll still be quite pleased that he's got a premier league move.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: the rainbow turn east on July 20, 2012, 12:37:52 PM
...get ready for the picture of him holding up an Albion scarf at the training ground and quotes of how 'delighted' he is to have joined the club  :D


...get ready for newspaper storys of "Albion release Claudio Yacob from his pre-contract agreement"!!   
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BoingFlyer on July 20, 2012, 01:54:22 PM

Interesting that twitter and the news are very quite in Brazil about this attempted last minute poach of the player.

In fact the Brazilian media states he is on the way to the UK to be unvailed as our player. Botofogo have also announced the signing of Nicolas Loderio who could be viewed as an alternative to Yacob.

I think he is as good as ours.  - Don't hold it against me if I'm wrong!!

<snip>
An Eye on the South American market, Botafogo negotiates with Claudio Yacob, who had terminated the contract with ARG-Racing this month. The Alvinegro was about to close with the steering wheel, which has preferred to play in Europe and was enticed with an offer from West Bromwich, England. Still, the Argentine player did not rule out the Alvinegro and ordered a considerable increase with respect to the initial offer. The board rejected into the auction, was angered by the attitude of the athlete and define the transaction as unlikely.

Yacob's attitude is the opposite of another possible strengthening. Nicolas Lodeiro interested alvinegra with the proposal and is in final negotiations with the Alvinegro. The Uruguayan hit the last destalhes with Glorious, you want to advertise it so official on Thursday. The midfielder is out of contract, provided that the agreement with Ajax-HOL expired in June this year. Any international transaction would be finalized by Friday, closing date of the transfer window.
</snip>

http://m.esporte.uol.com.br/futebol/ultimas-noticias/2012/07/18/botafogo-rejeita-leilao-se-irrita-com-postura-de-yacob-e-ve-acordo-improvavel.htm via google translate.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 20, 2012, 02:52:49 PM
you dont know how much is media talk.
secondly we are going on translations of what could be media talk.
thirdly this may be the agent rather than the player.

and people suggesting we can go back in for Doumbia... didnt he reject our terms? so another greedy grasping b*****d?

Such is the influence Agents and Representatives have over players who often are far too trusting about their intentions that yes I wouldnt see a problem going back for Doumbia. I think its a fact that mostly players just want to play and are often happy to leave everything else to Agents acting on "their behalf".......whos behalf would that be then?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 20, 2012, 02:57:37 PM
I genuinely couldn't care less at this moment if he does not want to play for us ,i myself am not too keen on Nissan micras but could I drive one . Hell yeah, andy cole and teddy shearing ham didn't speak did it work ?
Facts are he is a pro footballer who will possibly grow to like the place and at this point I think he will sign.

Excellent post Zippy. I agree with you. You never know with any employee 100% if they are going to right for your organisation. Hopefully if Claudio joins the Albion and tastes PL life he might realise he has made a great decision.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: koren on July 20, 2012, 06:31:37 PM
Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski
#wba have released squad numbers. All routine stuff, though the No5 shirt most commonly associated with Yacob remains vacant... for now
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boinger1968 on July 20, 2012, 07:02:57 PM
Interesting that twitter and the news are very quite in Brazil about this attempted last minute poach of the player.

In fact the Brazilian media states he is on the way to the UK to be unvailed as our player. Botofogo have also announced the signing of Nicolas Loderio who could be viewed as an alternative to Yacob.

I think he is as good as ours.  - Don't hold it against me if I'm wrong!!

<snip>
An Eye on the South American market, Botafogo negotiates with Claudio Yacob, who had terminated the contract with ARG-Racing this month. The Alvinegro was about to close with the steering wheel, which has preferred to play in Europe and was enticed with an offer from West Bromwich, England. Still, the Argentine player did not rule out the Alvinegro and ordered a considerable increase with respect to the initial offer. The board rejected into the auction, was angered by the attitude of the athlete and define the transaction as unlikely.

Yacob's attitude is the opposite of another possible strengthening. Nicolas Lodeiro interested alvinegra with the proposal and is in final negotiations with the Alvinegro. The Uruguayan hit the last destalhes with Glorious, you want to advertise it so official on Thursday. The midfielder is out of contract, provided that the agreement with Ajax-HOL expired in June this year. Any international transaction would be finalized by Friday, closing date of the transfer window.

</snip>

http://m.esporte.uol.com.br/futebol/ultimas-noticias/2012/07/18/botafogo-rejeita-leilao-se-irrita-com-postura-de-yacob-e-ve-acordo-improvavel.htm via google translate.
Well I'm glad we all understand what's going on now! ::)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KingKoren on July 20, 2012, 08:00:10 PM
Probably going to join up with squad on Monday.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 20, 2012, 08:06:30 PM
Probably going to join up with squad on Monday.

Then again........................................ :-\
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 20, 2012, 08:07:59 PM
Well I'm glad we all understand what's going on now! ::)
From what I've managed to decipher from that jiberish is Botafogo (Alvinegro seems to be one of their nicknames since it means 'black and white' and their emblem is black and white) offered him a contract however he was interested in moving to Europe and an offer from West Brom enticed him, although he never ruled out still moving to Botafogo. He then told Botafogo to increase the wages they were offering him substantially, however this greedy attitude shown by Yacob angered them, they refused to increase their offer and they made it clear that they were now unlikely to sign him.

The article then goes on the say that his bad attitude is the opposite of another potential signing, Nicolas Lodeiro (who now seems to have completed the transfer).


He sounds like a greedy little git if you ask me.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KYA on July 20, 2012, 08:15:21 PM
A greedy  little git sounds like about 90% of  footballers that.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 20, 2012, 08:15:57 PM


He sounds like a greedy little git if you ask me.

To be fair, I wouldn't begrudge any pro footballer to get the most possible. It's his career. As long as once he signs he's in for the long haul.

Will wait and see how this has turned out by tomorrow!?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 20, 2012, 08:16:46 PM
From what I've managed to decipher from that jiberish is Botafogo (Alvinegro seems to be one of their nicknames since it means 'black and white' and their emblem is black and white) offered him a contract however he was interested in moving to Europe and an offer from West Brom enticed him, although he never ruled out still moving to Botafogo. He then told Botafogo to increase the wages they were offering him substantially, however this greedy attitude shown by Yacob angered them, they refused to increase their offer and they made it clear that they were now unlikely to sign him.

The article then goes on the say that his bad attitude is the opposite of another potential signing, Nicolas Lodeiro (who now seems to have completed the transfer).


He sounds like a greedy little git if you ask me.

Or maybe he was just trying to get the best deal he could for himself and his family.....................he is a professional footballer who works on a contracted basis. Would you take a better deal for yourself at work if it was on offer?................I thought so  ???
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: geoff on July 20, 2012, 09:14:44 PM
A greedy  little git sounds like about 90% of  footballers that.

Should fit in the prem really well then.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: royhan on July 21, 2012, 04:24:52 AM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Barrington on July 21, 2012, 05:58:27 AM
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: matt_home1 on July 21, 2012, 07:13:03 AM
The thing that makes me wonder is, the player would be at the training ground not the hawthornes, as the training ground is where all the admin regarding players happens
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BoingFlyer on July 21, 2012, 07:35:09 AM


Brazilian media is reporting that the Botafogo did not sign Yacob due to his pre contract agreement, and that the player is on his way to England to start for his new club.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: lewisant on July 21, 2012, 09:03:14 AM
CL has said we're hoping to clear it up now and that a pre agreement is signed :) and going to botofago is not an option now
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KYA on July 21, 2012, 09:11:09 AM
He could have gone to Rio with the lovely weather and beautiful women but looks like he will be playing in West Bromwich with its many attractions ;D.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggie79 on July 21, 2012, 09:20:53 AM
He could have gone to Rio with the lovely weather and beautiful women but looks like he will be playing in West Bromwich with its many attractions ;D.

I bet they dont have a 89p shop in Brazil unlike West Bromwich  ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Bakeyaface on July 21, 2012, 09:41:11 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudio_Yacob

The usual shananigans have took place on wiki - apparently he is already a WBA player wearing number 5

I am like everyone else - he aint ours til the scarf is above his head !!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggielad82 on July 21, 2012, 09:48:16 AM
By the sound of things I'd say the deal is pretty much done and dusted. It's just typical Albion making us wait!

Hope he signs, will be a class player in the bag if he adapts well!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Bakeyaface on July 21, 2012, 09:56:20 AM
By the sound of things I'd say the deal is pretty much done and dusted. It's just typical Albion making us wait!

Hope he signs, will be a class player in the bag if he adapts well!

I hope so as Borja Valero was supposed to be a cracker. We need a 'Pirlo' kind of player who is a calming influence and good on the ball, helps to link play
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 21, 2012, 10:43:01 AM
The thing that makes me wonder is, the player would be at the training ground not the hawthornes, as the training ground is where all the admin regarding players happens

I wouldn't doubt it on those grounds as it is easier for the papers to write "the Hawthorns" than bother having to explain about the training ground set up. The term "the Hawthorns" is just a catch-all phrase meaning "at West Bromwich Albion."
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggies on July 21, 2012, 11:33:24 AM
I hope so as Borja Valero was supposed to be a cracker. We need a 'Pirlo' kind of player who is a calming influence and good on the ball, helps to link play

Borja Valero IS a cracking player. He shows how hard it can be for a certain type of player to adapt or even those who may struggle to adapt to a new culture.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggies on July 21, 2012, 11:40:36 AM
The way things have gone leave a nasty taste in the mouth and I was hoping we would "sell" him to Botafogo but now he looks Hawthorns bound I hope he hits the ground running. There is a bit of concern in my part that if he does struggle at the tart the fans ill have less patience knowing he tried to pull out.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: geoff on July 21, 2012, 12:18:57 PM
If what we have heard over the last week about him supposedly crying to Botafogo saying he has made a big mistake signing for us than tough he made he has to live with it BUT lets help him change his mind by backing him from the start & not getting on his back before he has kicked a ball.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 21, 2012, 12:23:09 PM
Borja Valero IS a cracking player. He shows how hard it can be for a certain type of player to adapt or even those who may struggle to adapt to a new culture.

Indeed he is. I often wonder how he would have done if he had the likes of a Mulumbu or Scharner supporting him in midfield. If we had utilised him correctly we would have had a real gem on our hands, thanks to the tactically inept Mowbray, that wasn't to be.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 21, 2012, 01:33:47 PM
If what we have heard over the last week about him supposedly crying to Botafogo saying he has made a big mistake signing for us than tough he made he has to live with it BUT lets help him change his mind by backing him from the start & not getting on his back before he has kicked a ball.

So much now is agents talk and trouble causing, as we know, there are plenty of ways for him to minimise his tax liability (doing a Jimmy Carr), I will judge him solely on his performances, the rest is just fluff and nonesense.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 21, 2012, 01:40:57 PM
Wouldnt surprise me if his missus got cold feet when he got home and told her she was off to the sunny UK.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: geoff on July 21, 2012, 04:38:07 PM
Wouldnt surprise me if his missus got cold feet when he got home and told her she was off to the sunny UK.


Didn't know he was married & there was i thinking that one our two black country Roses would set him up good.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: VVVAlbion on July 21, 2012, 04:58:53 PM
Indeed he is. I often wonder how he would have done if he had the likes of a Mulumbu or Scharner supporting him in midfield. If we had utilised him correctly we would have had a real gem on our hands, thanks to the tactically inept Mowbray, that wasn't to be.
I think the failure to bring in Thompson (?) led to the mismanagement of Valero. He was part of a package that never came off and was played because of his price tag.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBArgo on July 21, 2012, 09:29:24 PM
Borja Valero is a good player, who has been capped for Spain in more recent times, and may have been a regular for the team had he been playing 10 years back.

It sounds cliched but his problem seemed mental more than anything else. I mean, for such a good player he's been relegated twice now (one with Villareal) who are a big team in Spain. It just stinks of 'lightweight foreign player who isn't strong enough'. Of course that is Valero, and Yacob may be very different.

However, he hasn't exactly made a great 'start' if he does come.
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 22, 2012, 09:58:56 AM
Told you he would be signing :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: botters on July 22, 2012, 10:20:23 AM
Told you he would be signing :)

Where does it say he has signed?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: royhan on July 22, 2012, 11:38:56 AM
The journos on the club tour have reported that Yacob has signed a pre-contract agreement. I assume that this means that he cannot now sign for another club without our permission. If this is the case then surely no damage can be done if the club announce this and give fans an update of the true position.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 22, 2012, 12:29:31 PM
Where does it say he has signed?
nowhere, but he didn't sign for Botafogo and their transfer window is now closed. It's as good as done now
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 22, 2012, 04:33:21 PM
Where does it say he has signed?

It doesn't yet, and he hasn't yet (apart from the pre-crontract) but he will.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 22, 2012, 04:43:40 PM
It will be announced tomorrow.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: matt_home1 on July 22, 2012, 05:46:24 PM
I wonder if he has had revised terms?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BobTaylor on July 22, 2012, 05:52:01 PM
welcome aboard tiny tears.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 22, 2012, 06:55:38 PM
It will be announced tomorrow.

You've been on here a long time, so I respect your input. But is this a solid fact, a strong theory or a hunch?

As long as he acts like a pro once he's formally started I don't care about the games beforehand.


Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 22, 2012, 07:04:19 PM
welcome aboard tiny tears.

Don't cry for me Argentina,
Theres nothing wrong with West Bromwich,
You want more money,
And we said 'no no',
We are the Albion
Not Botafogo.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: costa blanca baggie on July 22, 2012, 07:11:04 PM
Don't cry for me Argentina,
Theres nothing wrong with West Bromwich,
You want more money,
And we said 'no no',
We are the Albion
Not Botafogo.
That brought a tear to my eye. :'(
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Barrington on July 22, 2012, 07:12:33 PM
Nice poem mate :)

That can be his official chant now.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Floydy on July 22, 2012, 07:52:37 PM
Don't cry for me Argentina,
Theres nothing wrong with West Bromwich,
You want more money,
And we said 'no no',
We are the Albion
Not Botafogo.

Top drawer  :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: lordbaggie on July 22, 2012, 08:07:41 PM
" Albion till I die" they cried.

That would be alright wouldn't it?

So even in straightforward English the word cry has several meanings.

When translated from Spanish or Portugese it could mean anything.

Take a look at all those other translations especially the one where he is referred to as a "steering wheel"

So let's not assume he was sobbing when he allegedly spoke to Botofogo.

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 22, 2012, 09:06:44 PM
" Albion till I die" they cried.

That would be alright wouldn't it?

So even in straightforward English the word cry has several meanings.

When translated from Spanish or Portugese it could mean anything.

Take a look at all those other translations especially the one where he is referred to as a "steering wheel"

So let's not assume he was sobbing when he allegedly spoke to Botofogo.
The steering wheel thing is a Brazilian metaphor that gets a bit skewed in translation. The Portugese word for 'steering wheel' is 'volante' and like a steering wheel gives direction to a car a deep-lying playmaker gives direction to a football team. Pointless fact, but interesting nonetheless.

I don't think he really sobbed either, not a chance. Just look at him, he looks far too masculine to cry.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XsZ3DjRg8IE/TGkwI-Au1HI/AAAAAAAAzD0/ZXnVdqdwz8g/s400/yacob64.jpg)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Political Cake on July 23, 2012, 12:26:45 AM
Just look at him, he looks far too masculine to cry.

They all say that. :-*
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 23, 2012, 05:35:56 AM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Barrington on July 23, 2012, 05:45:52 AM
Maybe after what has been reported, we're just having a final look at him to see how up for it he is, before handing him the official contract.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KingKoren on July 23, 2012, 05:55:14 AM
If the club are being honest about what's going on - he must not have signed a contract. However, everything I've read would suggest he has already signed a contract for us. 

I wonder whether the club are attempting to convince him about the move whilst ensuring sure he will be committed and be able to settle, before announcing him as a signing. If it doesn't work out - we will agree to terminate his contract quietly - and allow him to move without actually every confirming he had ever signed in the first place - both parties save face.

To allow it to get to this stage I reckon the club are pretty confident he will be playing for us this season.




Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 23, 2012, 06:37:53 AM
If the club are being honest about what's going on - he must not have signed a contract. However, everything I've read would suggest he has already signed a contract for us. 

I wonder whether the club are attempting to convince him about the move whilst ensuring sure he will be committed and be able to settle, before announcing him as a signing. If it doesn't work out - we will agree to terminate his contract quietly - and allow him to move without actually every confirming he had ever signed in the first place - both parties save face.

To allow it to get to this stage I reckon the club are pretty confident he will be playing for us this season.

Pretty good summary of where we are I reckon. ;)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KingKoren on July 23, 2012, 07:05:09 AM
Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski

Claudio Yacob trained with #wba in Malmo last night. Albion hope to finalise his signing today. Full story in http://birminghammail.net at 8am

So he could be our man by the end of today. I will miss the drama.  ;D
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 23, 2012, 07:10:11 AM
No-one had anything to worry about. Bar any last minute unforeseen circumstances. He will be confirmed today.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on July 23, 2012, 07:57:12 AM
Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski

Claudio Yacob trained with #wba in Malmo last night. Albion hope to finalise his signing today. Full story in http://birminghammail.net at 8am

So he could be our man by the end of today. I will miss the drama.   ;D

No need to worry, I would imagine that the next saga is just around the corner
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: hardtobeat on July 23, 2012, 08:06:22 AM
The head coach is hoping for it to happen at least 3 more times.............does he not know my ticker is the same age as the rest of me! :D :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 23, 2012, 08:21:24 AM
Chris Lepkowski ?@chrislepkowski
Contrary to what's being reported elsewhere, Yacob is NOT undergoing a trial. The deal should go through v soon. Maybe even today #wba


The article on the official site that is pretty much a description of a player having a trial at a club is slightly confusing then.
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: A5HB on July 23, 2012, 08:39:54 AM
This is similar to the Valero deal in a way, the club said they 'had an interest' in Valero and were working on a deal when in reality he had trained with the team for two days and been having English lessons.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Floydy on July 23, 2012, 09:26:23 AM
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on July 23, 2012, 09:47:54 AM
For anyone who reads or can manage in Italian, the Italian Wikipedia on Yacob is much fuller than the English one.

Includes his nickname being "skinny girl" and summarises him as "a complete midfielder, of personality, character and coolness".

Goes on at some length, in some detail and in very glowing terms. Was maybe written by his agent - who maybe had more of an eye on juventus than wba - but is nevertheless a heartwarming read if he's coming.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 23, 2012, 09:51:52 AM
For anyone who reads or can manage in Italian, the Italian Wikipedia on Yacob is much fuller than the English one.

Includes his nickname being "skinny girl" and summarises him as "a complete midfielder, of personality, character and coolness".

Goes on at some length, in some detail and in very glowing terms. Was maybe written by his agent - who maybe had more of an eye on juventus than wba - but is nevertheless a heartwarming read if he's coming.
This is an excellent read if you want to learn about him:

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/why-west-brom-need-to-snap-up-free-agent-claudio-yacob/
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: graka on July 23, 2012, 09:54:28 AM
as this boring saga been concluded yet? i know we drag our feet on deals but my god this is taking the michael
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on July 23, 2012, 09:59:25 AM
This is an excellent read if you want to learn about him:

http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/why-west-brom-need-to-snap-up-free-agent-claudio-yacob/

Nice one. Thx. It's got all the same stuff as the Italian Wikipedia (the guy has an Italian name), plus some more. And has the advantage for the English reader of being in English.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: The Joust on July 23, 2012, 11:53:47 AM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: addy on July 23, 2012, 01:36:56 PM
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/full/622735751.jpg?key=540720&Expires=1343047789&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=fXI56ZdLwz3jDAp7~oPdqhA1EBPHQ3sRhH1QwKH~OJxecbr28SZYalG5eHqel6Xk4hzubRrVdP0QKVPPaNxQRCiPpHgOEAjhYQn5M1IA9wzns3bG00urlX0tb1Cw8KjZj~9AwHndNSqqo~8EzeOcWWd4MWWSmdheGfYIZvBPX6k_)

From CL Twitter.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KingKoren on July 23, 2012, 01:42:20 PM
That is one fit bloke. Hope he is as good at football as he is good looking - we will have a star on our hands.  :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: howi1068 on July 23, 2012, 01:44:01 PM
I think that now he is training with us & spends time with the squad he will enjoy it and forget about the tax side of things. I have a feeling that his agent would probly be more worried about that side of things than Yacob himself.

Boing Boing
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Floydy on July 23, 2012, 01:52:25 PM
He may pay more tax with us but he will be much more visible to top European teams which is where he ultimately wants to be. I have no problem with this as long he is respectful to our club.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: slugga1 on July 23, 2012, 03:11:24 PM
I didn't know enrique iglesias kicked a football, I'm sure the baggettes (see what I did there) will love him at our beloved ground.

Will he be our 'hero' ? time will tell eh! Lol
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: mank baggie on July 23, 2012, 03:18:10 PM
That is one fit bloke. Hope he is as good at football as he is good looking - we will have a star on our hands.  :D
are you saying you fancy him?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: divinewind on July 23, 2012, 04:31:16 PM
What is the world coming to when men are struck by a footballers looks?  ;)

They never had that problem at Blackpool with Stanley Mathews.

I hope we ehar some positive news on this soon.
I can understand the club not wanting to commit until they see if he is committed to us.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: royhan on July 23, 2012, 05:11:10 PM
I suspect the deal is now done and dusted and will be officially announced tomorrow morning - to coincide with publiation of the local rags.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Political Cake on July 23, 2012, 07:18:01 PM
What is the world coming to when men are struck by a footballers looks?  ;)

It's a fabulous world. ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 24, 2012, 09:22:34 AM
Latest Chris Lepkowski tweet hot off the press:

"Yacob is signed. Not made official by club due to one or two bits of paper work which remain outstanding but he now is a #wba player"
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: chipperclark on July 24, 2012, 10:03:17 AM
What is the world coming to when men are struck by a footballers looks?  ;)

They never had that problem at Blackpool with Stanley Mathews.

I hope we ehar some positive news on this soon.
I can understand the club not wanting to commit until they see if he is committed to us.
;D The new term is "Man Love" when you admire a bloke for his physique or persona,but not a physical attraction. For example Sean Connery (as Bond) can be admired by many blokes.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on July 24, 2012, 10:13:08 AM
Nothing wrong with a bit of " BROm Mance" :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boinger1968 on July 24, 2012, 10:20:59 AM
Latest Chris Lepkowski tweet hot off the press:

"Yacob is signed. Not made official by club due to one or two bits of paper work which remain outstanding but he now is a #wba player"
That's great news. I suppose that's about as official as we can get without actually being official!  :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 24, 2012, 10:22:10 AM
That's great news. I suppose that's about as official as we can get without actually being official!  :)

Definately looking a done deal. Great hopes for this lad.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: royhan on July 24, 2012, 10:28:16 AM
Excellent signing. Let's hope that the two others that SC wants to bring in will be of the same high quality.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Greenock Baggie on July 24, 2012, 10:39:39 AM
If true and he is finally signed up, well done to all at WBA for the hard work it must have taken to land the bloke. Excited to see him in our midfield. 2 more of the same calibre would do nicely .............. thank you very much !
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: kc56wba on July 24, 2012, 10:58:24 AM
Well one thing is for sure the women will love him. Mrs kc56wba as seen his photo and wants to come to a match. No bloody chance, do me a favour Albion and sign some ugly footballers. On a serious note hope he is as good a player as he looks on you tube.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: royhan on July 24, 2012, 11:21:07 AM
Sky Sports News is reporting that Yacob has signed a three year deal with a further year's option - I assume in our favour. Still nothing on OS.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wbadazza on July 24, 2012, 11:58:54 AM
Not scared to go in where it hurt is he!! looks a class player!! Bets now on how many yellow cards he picks up with the diving cheating gits in the prem!!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mister AT on July 24, 2012, 12:24:06 PM
Im glad this looks to have finally been sorted.


Could have another little gem on our hands.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 24, 2012, 12:26:57 PM
Time to hammer f5 on wba.co.uk until a picture of him holding a shirt appears.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: leonidas on July 24, 2012, 12:28:50 PM
Looks like they're confirming it on Twitter, let's wait for the official news!

http://www.footytwits.com/en/inglaterra/west-bromwich_152
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: addy on July 24, 2012, 12:49:41 PM
Looks like they're confirming it on Twitter, let's wait for the official news!

http://www.footytwits.com/en/inglaterra/west-bromwich_152

You sure do like advertising your site  ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: leonidas on July 24, 2012, 12:57:45 PM
In my defence, I only post a link when there is something interesting going on  8)

That said, if the admins don't want me to, I will stop doing so! :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: MICKYMEL on July 24, 2012, 01:13:48 PM
Just watched the youtube clips again and his passing is superb.

Looks a right player
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Webby on July 24, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
Good signing :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 24, 2012, 01:42:06 PM
until its on the os i dont take this as done espite what cl says
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: saml30 on July 24, 2012, 01:55:16 PM
CL pretty much said to me that the whole Botafogo think was blown way out of proportion, lets hope this guy can give us another push in the right direction, looking very much like a midfield 3/5 (depending how you look at t
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 24, 2012, 03:47:40 PM
That's great news. I suppose that's about as official as we can get without actually being official!  :)

Well if your looking for an Official response officially yes.........  :-*
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on July 24, 2012, 03:51:36 PM
Just watched the youtube clips again and his passing is superb.

Looks a right player

Always got to be a little cautious with you tube I always think because it never shows the s*** stuff. But he has a very good pedigree and we were clearly short of a deeper lying CM who could actually pass with some creativity. Scharner Mulumbu and Andrews couldnt do that between them. Looking forward to seeing what he can do.
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 24, 2012, 04:16:38 PM
And everyone was panicking. I knew last week this would be sorted.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Greenock Baggie on July 24, 2012, 04:40:43 PM
And everyone was panicking. I knew last week this would be sorted.
Then why didnt you say so last weekend or better yet, get the club to tell us.............they still havent !!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggies on July 24, 2012, 09:25:56 PM
Interesting collating the views of journalists who follow South American football on twitter and beyond.

From the ones I can remember, Rory Smith of the Times, Sam Kelly of ESPN and WSC, Daniel Colasimone of the sabotage times and Rupert Fryer (freelance) have all said he is a competent player.

Tim Vickery of the BBC has said he is an average player who fouls too much and who's passing is nothing special.

Reading Ed Malyon today (freelnce, 442 mag), he has had a conversation on twitter where he has said 9to summarise)
*He treated his old club racing with contempt - possibly the reason he didnt have hi contract renewed
*He is a "gritty, determind defensive midfielder who should fare well I'd say. Not going to set up or score many though. Talked to Arsenal".

The most common things I seem to get from most journalists is that he is a good leader on the pitch, should be able to break up play in the middle and should fit in easy enough in the premier . Overall a good free transfer but unspectacular. Thats okay by me - as long as he does not try to pull any more stunts.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on July 24, 2012, 09:46:30 PM
Its done now, lock it up ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mat15(MH) on July 24, 2012, 09:46:37 PM
Done deal.

WBAFCofficial ?@WBAFCofficial

 Claudio Yacob has just completed his move to Albion, signing a three-year deal plus a further year's option in the club's favour
 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 24, 2012, 09:51:48 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/yacob-completes-albion-move-264408.aspx
Title: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 24, 2012, 09:53:56 PM
Then why didnt you say so last weekend or better yet, get the club to tell us.............they still havent !!

I did. And got shot down because of the AVB thing posted that wasn't me.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 24, 2012, 09:54:58 PM
The deal has been done for at least a week and only held up by red tape.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: royhan on July 24, 2012, 10:00:01 PM
The nail biting can now finally end!! This was quite a 'Will he?' or 'Won't he?' saga. but it is great that it has had a happy ending.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 24, 2012, 10:03:59 PM
Wow, I'm surprised to see it announced late in the evening, very pleasant surprise though.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 24, 2012, 10:06:44 PM
something minor has just crossed my mind. Can Yacob speak english or will Jara have to interpret. it's not major (remember Gera knew no English at all when he came and didn't stop him) just something i was wandering about training and bonding wise between the club and him
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 24, 2012, 10:08:39 PM
something minor has just crossed my mind. Can Yacob speak english or will Jara have to interpret. it's not major (remember Gera knew no English at all when he came and didn't stop him) just something i was wandering about training and bonding wise between the club and him
No he can't, Clarke mentions in the article on the official site that he still needs to learn the language.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: rubyruby on July 24, 2012, 10:09:44 PM
something minor has just crossed my mind. Can Yacob speak english or will Jara have to interpret. it's not major (remember Gera knew no English at all when he came and didn't stop him) just something i was wandering about training and bonding wise between the club and him

Speaks no english will need some lessons in his spare time......might be a good idea if he goes to Dudley College.... ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 24, 2012, 10:14:57 PM
thanks KP and ruby for clearing that so quickly for me, haven't read the article yet
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 24, 2012, 10:17:43 PM
If the Youtube compilations are anything to go by, he's a superb player who can tackle and pass with great skill and vision. If he manages to settle in and turn out performances like those in the video compilations, he'll probably be gone to a bigger club in the January window!

Let's not look ahead too far though though - I'm delighted we've got him and have everything crossed that he has the desire and temperament to adjust to what will be a world apart from what he's used to.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Moggas barmy army on July 24, 2012, 10:18:35 PM
Welcome to the club Claudio all you need to do now is persuade Messi that were a great club for him and were well on the way.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Quakes Fan on July 24, 2012, 10:21:09 PM
It's a fabulous world. ;D

His middle name is "Ariel."   ;)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Baggies on July 24, 2012, 10:21:23 PM
The club will hire an English teacher for Yacob but in the meantime we need to hope the Spanish speakers in the squad (Jara, Mulumbu, Tamas, maybe Olsson) can help him. Im not sure how he will cope in the meantime. I think it depends on the person really. Lots of Argentinians have managed in England but some, like Teves, can struggle. We just have to hope Yacob works.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: rubyruby on July 24, 2012, 10:21:51 PM
If the Youtube compilations are anything to go by, he's a superb player who can tackle and pass with great skill and vision. If he manages to settle in and turn out performances like those in the video compilations, he'll probably be gone to a bigger club in the January window!

Let's not look ahead too far though though - I'm delighted we've got him and have everything crossed that he has the desire and temperament to adjust to what will be a world apart from what he's used to.

Trust me Worcs..........not when he's just penned a 3 + 1 year deal with the Baggies he wont. That aside I agree he looks to be a high quality player the sort we just would not have attracted a few years ago perhaps Valero excepted. A very exciting signing that we seem to have captured under the radar and on a FREE too!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 24, 2012, 10:31:05 PM
The club will hire an English teacher for Yacob but in the meantime we need to hope the Spanish speakers in the squad (Jara, Mulumbu, Tamas, maybe Olsson) can help him. Im not sure how he will cope in the meantime. I think it depends on the person really. Lots of Argentinians have managed in England but some, like Teves, can struggle. We just have to hope Yacob works.
I hope he struggles like Tevez and Aguero :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: tgd26 on July 24, 2012, 11:13:09 PM
Really pleased to finally have this wrapped up. A lot of respect is due to all of those at the club involved in making this transfer a reality. I can't have been easy!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Political Cake on July 24, 2012, 11:13:30 PM
His middle name is "Ariel."   ;)

I think Mr. Peace may have just sold me a season ticket! (http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/331/gayyyy.gif)

(Or at least fueled a desire to apply for the club's photographer.)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: matt_home1 on July 24, 2012, 11:19:13 PM
it was a complicated signing, lets hope the next one will take days not weeks
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 24, 2012, 11:49:48 PM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Greenock Baggie on July 25, 2012, 12:43:07 AM
With all the photos of him training and knocking about with the lads in Malmo, how come none of the posters on here who ALLEGEDLY went to Malmo never posted seeing him. I reckon Devon and his cronies never actually went and just spent the week in the duty free at Stanstead !

Seriously though, how comes none of you posted seeing him over there ??
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: divinewind on July 25, 2012, 12:47:39 AM
Looking forward to seeing him play for us.

It shows how far we have come as a club when we replace one England keeper with another and sign Argentine internationals.

Pigs in lipstick no more.  :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 25, 2012, 01:09:24 AM
The club will hire an English teacher for Yacob but in the meantime we need to hope the Spanish speakers in the squad (Jara, Mulumbu, Tamas, maybe Olsson) can help him. Im not sure how he will cope in the meantime. I think it depends on the person really. Lots of Argentinians have managed in England but some, like Teves, can struggle. We just have to hope Yacob works.
Yep, looks like he's hanging around with the Spanish speakers Jara and Tamas.

(http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/birmmail/jul2012/8/4/596x447/image-6-for-west-brom-team-on-the-beach-in-malmo-sweden-gallery-973922202.jpg)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on July 25, 2012, 01:27:13 AM
Yep, looks like he's hanging around with the Spanish speakers Jara and Tamas.

(http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/birmmail/jul2012/8/4/596x447/image-6-for-west-brom-team-on-the-beach-in-malmo-sweden-gallery-973922202.jpg)

Looks like he is already bonding with the team! Jara is already on bended knee to the beautiful one  :D

Great signing on a free.  Young but with great experience already both for club and country. Cannot wait for the season to start.  Another couple of signings and contracts to be sorted and lets get going.

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Post by: gerry m on July 25, 2012, 05:01:37 AM
welcome Claudio and good luck :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: koren on July 25, 2012, 05:43:34 AM
Waiting for a long long time,really happy that finally he joins us,hope he can settle here and plays well.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on July 25, 2012, 06:37:43 AM
Welcome aboard skinny wench.

Clean slate, lets see what you can do.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 25, 2012, 06:45:57 AM
In these days of media rumours and agent interference, I think we have to set aside those rumblings and judge the player on his performance for us, I think we are in for a treat, looking forward to seeing him.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 25, 2012, 07:04:16 AM
I think it would be outrageous behaviour if any fans judged him on media rumours about his attitude to the transfer as opposed to seeing him play for a couple of months.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Jack Russell on July 25, 2012, 08:27:51 AM
Did anyone else hear Tim Vickery on TalkSport last night calling him very ordinary.If you don't know who Tim is he is the South American football correspondant.

Anyway welcome to our club Claudio
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 25, 2012, 08:33:42 AM
Did anyone else hear Tim Vickery on TalkSport last night calling him very ordinary.If you don't know who Tim is he is the South American football correspondant.

Anyway welcome to our club Claudio
Just one bloke's opinion, there's been plenty of glowing reports of him from other people who have watched him in Argentina.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on July 25, 2012, 08:40:45 AM
With all the photos of him training and knocking about with the lads in Malmo, how come none of the posters on here who ALLEGEDLY went to Malmo never posted seeing him. I reckon Devon and his cronies never actually went and just spent the week in the duty free at Stanstead !

Seriously though, how comes none of you posted seeing him over there ??

I could be wrong here Greenock but I think he joined up with the squad a couple of days after the Malmo game.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 25, 2012, 08:49:04 AM
I could be wrong here Greenock but I think he joined up with the squad a couple of days after the Malmo game.


Yes you might be right there.

i didn't see much really just plenty of eye candy

Welcome to the Baggies Claudio
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: geoff on July 25, 2012, 08:51:00 AM
Welcome a board the Baggies Express Claudio.
I was thinking about sending him The Black Country Bugle it could help him when it comes to pulling the birds.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Sessegod on July 25, 2012, 09:14:02 AM
I'm pleased with signing, we must have been tracking him for a while and we finally got out man.

The question is..... WHO'S NEXT?
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Post by: pete on July 25, 2012, 09:23:44 AM
Welcome, lets hope the lads get you to Broad street and try to help you settle in! ;)
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Post by: kc56wba on July 25, 2012, 09:33:28 AM
Welcome, lets hope the lads get you to Broad street and try to help you settle in! ;)
Yes Welcome Claudio, but forget Broad street how about West Bromwich High Street sure the lads go there for a relaxing night out :P
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Albion79 on July 25, 2012, 09:42:15 AM
Good luck Claudio, i had a feeling judging by comments made in the media he could be a bit of a diva and i had this nasty feeling he would go on strike or something!

Anyways, he is our player now, i think he has the pedigree to be a quality player for us so hope he gets all the support he needs to settle in from the club and supporters (which i am sure he will)

He seems to getting a lot of attentions for his looks, if he dont do the business on the pitch JP will pimp him out, JP will make sure he will earn his wage one way or another!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 25, 2012, 12:27:10 PM
Glad he's signed, one of those which dragged on for a while. As mentioned previously, hopefully the fans can forget about the rumours prior to him signing and judge him on his football. He will certainly bring the qualities that the likes of Paul Scharner and Keith Andrews didn't have so judging by that he should hopefully be a very good signing.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 25, 2012, 12:45:18 PM
With all the photos of him training and knocking about with the lads in Malmo, how come none of the posters on here who ALLEGEDLY went to Malmo never posted seeing him. I reckon Devon and his cronies never actually went and just spent the week in the duty free at Stanstead !

Seriously though, how comes none of you posted seeing him over there ??

He arrived on Sunday.

We were told Saturday night that the deal had been done for at least a week and red tape was the only issue.

It wasn't posted as we were told in confidence. Once you start breaking those confidences then no-one will tell you anything else.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: rubyruby on July 25, 2012, 02:48:25 PM
Did anyone else hear Tim Vickery on TalkSport last night calling him very ordinary.If you don't know who Tim is he is the South American football correspondant.

Anyway welcome to our club Claudio

That could mean he his just very efficient in what he does with no flash a la Michael Carrick for example. One hacks view means nothing until he has a few games under his belt.
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Post by: Wbamitch on July 25, 2012, 03:16:28 PM
Fairly happy with this signing also, again like El Ghannasy i don't know too much about him but he has positive reviews and fits a position that the club prioritised to fill. Hope Claudio settles in well  :D

 A cover left back and another striker before the start of the season would be ideal.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Greenock Baggie on July 25, 2012, 04:18:51 PM
He arrived on Sunday.

We were told Saturday night that the deal had been done for at least a week and red tape was the only issue.

It wasn't posted as we were told in confidence. Once you start breaking those confidences then no-one will tell you anything else.
Appreciate that YOU may have been told "in confidence" but anyone who saw the lads out and about would surely have asked the question !There are still folks out there now so they would have seen him before it was OFFICIALLY announced ?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: pete on July 25, 2012, 09:46:42 PM
He arrived on Sunday.

We were told Saturday night that the deal had been done for at least a week and red tape was the only issue.

It wasn't posted as we were told in confidence. Once you start breaking those confidences then no-one will tell you anything else.
Whos the WE? Admins? Mods? Anyone that reads page 74 of viz?  Just interested as to who is in the special ring of knowledge!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Dexy on July 25, 2012, 09:48:45 PM
Whos the WE? Admins? Mods? Anyone that reads page 74 of viz?  Just interested as to who is in the special ring of knowledge!
The guys lucky enough to have been in Sweden around Albion staff.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Trigger on July 25, 2012, 09:50:11 PM
Appreciate that YOU may have been told "in confidence" but anyone who saw the lads out and about would surely have asked the question !There are still folks out there now so they would have seen him before it was OFFICIALLY announced ?

Does it really matter, we know now. Some people you just can't please!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: pete on July 25, 2012, 09:57:36 PM
The guys lucky enough to have been in Sweden around Albion staff.
Interesting, thanks mate!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 25, 2012, 10:50:33 PM
Whos the WE? Admins? Mods? Anyone that reads page 74 of viz?  Just interested as to who is in the special ring of knowledge!

No special ring of knowledge you sarcy git  :D

We were out drinking Saturday night and just bumped into people and got chatting, nothing sinister about it  ;)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Greenock Baggie on July 25, 2012, 11:42:04 PM
Does it really matter, we know now. Some people you just can't please!
Its not a matter of being pleased  ::) ::)

I'm just asking a question....thats allowed isnt it or have we entered some kind of Nazi state by logging on here where your not allowed to ask questions or the Gestapo come on making smart comments !
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Jack Russell on July 26, 2012, 09:35:18 AM
I feel an Argentina theme coming on at the end of the season.Anyone remember the world cup in 78 all that shredded paper
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: phbaggies on July 26, 2012, 09:45:38 AM
I feel an Argentina theme coming on at the end of the season.Anyone remember the world cup in 78 all that shredded paper
He will sign for Botafogo in January I wouldnt worry about it :) :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: tuamigos on July 26, 2012, 09:52:48 AM
He will sign for Botafogo in January I wouldnt worry about it :) :)

Not having signed a 3 year deal plus a years option he won't.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: stever60 on July 26, 2012, 10:17:46 AM
No, knowing us we'll send him straight out on loan!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: kris_boing on July 26, 2012, 10:28:58 AM
I feel an Argentina theme coming on at the end of the season.Anyone remember the world cup in 78 all that shredded paper

Cant see many people voting for an Argentina theme.  The Falklands War and the tensions still going on today togther with the cheating git Maradona.
 
Personally I'd be horrified to hear our fans chanting 'Argentina, Argentina'.
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Post by: The Gaffer on July 26, 2012, 10:44:49 AM

Cant see many people voting for an Argentina theme.  The Falklands War and the tensions still going on today togther with the cheating git Maradona.
 
Personally I'd be horrified to hear our fans chanting 'Argentina, Argentina'.


Really? The "cheating git Maradona" thing wouldn't be born out of jealousy would it? Some people want to man up. Had it been Gary Lineker that'd handled that goal the English would've been hysterical at how we "sorted out the Argies".

Come on, I'm sure you're better than that.

Maradona destroyed us, end of and Peter "I can't jump or dive" Shilton was made to look exactly what he was - the most over-rated English goalkeeper in the 120ish year history of the English game.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: kris_boing on July 26, 2012, 10:58:01 AM

Really? The "cheating git Maradona" thing wouldn't be born out of jealousy would it? Some people want to man up. Had it been Gary Lineker that'd handled that goal the English would've been hysterical at how we "sorted out the Argies".

Come on, I'm sure you're better than that.

Maradona destroyed us, end of and Peter "I can't jump or dive" Shilton was made to look exactly what he was - the most over-rated English goalkeeper in the 120ish year history of the English game.

He cheated end of.  If he hadnt handled it Shilton would have punched it clear.
 
As for Shilton he made 125 caps in goal when plenty of top keepers like Ray Clemence were around.  Didnt he win two league championships and two Eurpean cups for Forest?
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Post by: The Gaffer on July 26, 2012, 11:06:28 AM

He cheated end of.  If he hadnt handled it Shilton would have punched it clear.
 
As for Shilton he made 125 caps in goal when plenty of top keepers like Ray Clemence were around.  Didnt he win two league championships and two Eurpean cups for Forest?


How many offside goals have there been in footballing history? Lets be brutally honest Maradona was a class apart.

As for Shilton have you ever seen him save a penalty? Watch his technique, he can't get off the ground (Brehme 1990 World Cup), he had no spring or athleticism and when did he ever save a penalty? He rolled over like a dog waiting to have his belly tickled.

Shilton was 6 foot, Maradona 5 foot 4. Yes we all wanted England to win but as always we were left with excuses.



Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: geoff on July 26, 2012, 11:16:07 AM

Really? The "cheating git Maradona" thing wouldn't be born out of jealousy would it? Some people want to man up. Had it been Gary Lineker that'd handled that goal the English would've been hysterical at how we "sorted out the Argies".

Come on, I'm sure you're better than that.

Maradona destroyed us, end of and Peter "I can't jump or dive" Shilton was made to look exactly what he was - the most over-rated English goalkeeper in the 120ish year history of the English game.

 

A cheat is a cheat & before you ask if Long was to score a goal along those lines that won us what ever ( point,cup or league) i would i still think the same
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: The Gaffer on July 26, 2012, 11:21:39 AM


A cheat is a cheat & before you ask if Long was to score a goal along those lines that won us what ever ( point,cup or league) i would i still think the same


No you wouldn't!

It's all very well being fair and nicey, nicey but if you want success you gotta be more rutheless than that. When it comes to the history books none of them are going to stae "Argentina won but England were fair and sweet" and more to the point, in our heart of hearts if we actually admit it to ourselves we were made to look stupid and naiive.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: kris_boing on July 26, 2012, 11:22:19 AM

How many offside goals have there been in footballing history? Lets be brutally honest Maradona was a class apart.

As for Shilton have you ever seen him save a penalty? Watch his technique, he can't get off the ground (Brehme 1990 World Cup), he had no spring or athleticism and when did he ever save a penalty? He rolled over like a dog waiting to have his belly tickled.

Shilton was 6 foot, Maradona 5 foot 4. Yes we all wanted England to win but as always we were left with excuses.

Blimey.  Offsides are a little different than blantantly hand balling.
 
Shilton was 40 in Italia 90.  Are you basing your assessment of him as a goalkeeper when he was 40 years old?
 
I'll give you one thing - his penalty saves record was poor.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: The Gaffer on July 26, 2012, 11:27:40 AM

Blimey.  Offsides are a little different than blantantly hand balling.
 
Shilton was 40 in Italia 90.  Are you basing your assessment of him as a goalkeeper when he was 40 years old?
 
I'll give you one thing - his penalty saves record was poor.


It doesn't matter if he was 40 or 80, he was seen as Englands best option.
Go back to 86 then and look at his performance (v Maradona).

If England is going to start winning things we've got to stop being soft and nice and start forcing the issue and making success happen.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: kris_boing on July 26, 2012, 11:34:56 AM

It doesn't matter if he was 40 or 80, he was seen as Englands best option.
Go back to 86 then and look at his performance (v Maradona).

If England is going to start winning things we've got to stop being soft and nice and start forcing the issue and making success happen.

I hope we never stoop so low as the Argies have in their history thankyou very much.  Cheating footballers (Maradona, Simeone, Rattin) and Galtieri and Kirchner the presidents who would rather attack OUR Islands to mask their countries problems.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: The Gaffer on July 26, 2012, 11:39:51 AM

I hope we never stoop so low as the Argies have in their history thankyou very much.  Cheating footballers (Maradona, Simeone, Rattin) and Galtieri and Kirchner the presidents who would rather attack OUR Islands to mask their countries problems.



Don't worry, if it ever happened to OUR advantage we'd find every "reason" under the sun and we'd love it.

Not going to happen though we're too wussy to be honest. Because we're English and we live the lives we do, we think we are always right - we're not!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 26, 2012, 11:45:09 AM
To get this back on track ...

Welcome to the club, if you settle quickly you could add a new dimension to us this season.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: kc56wba on July 26, 2012, 11:45:38 AM
What is the fuss about we lost and the Argies won and that is the end of it, as for cheating most footballers cheat in one form or another.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 26, 2012, 12:17:16 PM
Last time I checked this was about Claudio Yacob not Mradonna, Peter Shilton's penalty record and what we'd do if we cheated to win games.

Welcome to the Club Claudio! Don't even think about cheating, some lads are on to you and I don't know how I'd cope if you did cheat and we won...
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 26, 2012, 12:37:28 PM
Seen a picture of him earlier doing some sort of sunbathing.

Glad to know he's settled in with the group!  :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 26, 2012, 04:09:47 PM
I've got high hopes for this lad. If utilized correctly, could turn out to be a great signing
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: pete on July 26, 2012, 05:02:41 PM
No special ring of knowledge you sarcy git  :D

We were out drinking Saturday night and just bumped into people and got chatting, nothing sinister about it  ;)
You know me all too well! :-*

Was just interested to be fair! :P
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: geoff on July 26, 2012, 07:07:00 PM

No you wouldn't!

It's all very well being fair and nicey, nicey but if you want success you gotta be more rutheless than that. When it comes to the history books none of them are going to stae "Argentina won but England were fair and sweet" and more to the point, in our heart of hearts if we actually admit it to ourselves we were made to look stupid and naiive.


Gaffer that's a good name for some one who likes to tell people what to do so perhaps you should consider changing yours to dictator & make every one think like you to.
I would rather we dropped down to the championship than stay up by a player diving .
Can see you & i are from different times.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: kc56wba on July 26, 2012, 07:24:46 PM

Gaffer that's a good name for some one who likes to tell people what to do so perhaps you should consider changing yours to dictator & make every one think like you to.
I would rather we dropped down to the championship than stay up by a player diving .
Can see you & i are from different times.
Every sportsman has the opportunity to cheat some take it some dont. If a player dives and everyone sees it but the ref and gives a pen do you think the player should say "No ref I dived". I dont think he would be very popular with his own team mates or fans. We dont live in a perfect world do we. ???
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: geoff on July 26, 2012, 10:18:42 PM
Every sportsman has the opportunity to cheat some take it some dont. If a player dives and everyone sees it but the ref and gives a pen do you think the player should say "No ref I dived". I dont think he would be very popular with his own team mates or fans. We dont live in a perfect world do we. ???

A diver wouldn't say a thing to the Ref  A good player wouldn't have dived in the first place ask Theory Henry if he would do what he did to the Irish if he was in the same position again, it spoilt his reputation as a sportsman i have seen players rolling all over the pitch trying to get a fellow pro's book our sent off FOR ME this spoils the game but for some as long as its one of there players doing the acting that's ok.sorry mods this has no connection to the post but i feel i have the right to reply.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 26, 2012, 11:52:50 PM
Shane Long dives constantly, I don't see many of you moaning about it!  ::)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: tuamigos on July 27, 2012, 07:15:46 AM
Shane Long dives constantly, I don't see many of you moaning about it!  ::)

TBH when he does do it he gets a FFS from me !
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: kris_boing on July 27, 2012, 08:20:38 AM
TBH when he does do it he gets a FFS from me !

Same here.  I'm shouting at him from the stands to 'get the **** up'.
 
I dont like cheating in sport.  No place for it IMO.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: The Gaffer on July 27, 2012, 09:03:28 AM
A diver wouldn't say a thing to the Ref  A good player wouldn't have dived in the first place ask Theory Henry if he would do what he did to the Irish if he was in the same position again, it spoilt his reputation as a sportsman i have seen players rolling all over the pitch trying to get a fellow pro's book our sent off FOR ME this spoils the game but for some as long as its one of there players doing the acting that's ok.sorry mods this has no connection to the post but i feel i have the right to reply.


Ahem, Christiano Ronaldo? Has he never dived?   .......................... Or is he not a "good player?"
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: BaggieJames114 on July 27, 2012, 09:06:13 AM
Welcome to the club Yacob, looking forward to seeing what he has to offer

Talking about diving, Reids dive vs Norwich last season. It was almost a reflief to see Odem miss the spot kick it was so embarrassing
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: geoff on July 27, 2012, 12:43:35 PM

Ahem, Christiano Ronaldo? Has he never dived?   .......................... Or is he not a "good player?"

One of the best footballers in the world
But he ant no Bobby Charlton

Gaffer lets just agree to disagree
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: rubyruby on July 27, 2012, 03:06:57 PM
Claudio Yacob is going to be brilliant for us pinging balls into the spaces behind the back four for PO Longy and JT to run on to.................................... ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: kc56wba on July 27, 2012, 03:27:50 PM
Claudio Yacob is going to be brilliant for us pinging balls into the spaces behind the back four for PO Longy and JT to run on to.................................... ;D
I like your optimism ruby
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Astle1968 on July 30, 2012, 11:13:14 AM
This is from Tim Vickery's latest BBC blog

My team, West Brom have signed Argentina midfielder Claudio Yacob from Racing Club. All I know, from what I've read, is that he's a decent passer of the ball and has been capped a few times for Argentina. What you know about him and how do you think he'll fair in the Premier League?
Chris Adams

I'm not a huge fan, to be honest. Those Argentina caps have to be taken with a pinch of salt. Recently they've had as many as three squads on the go at the same time, so caps have been handed out all over the place. I've been following Yacob since the South American Under-20s in 2007 and I've never been over-impressed. He's neat enough and clearly has a strong personality and leadership qualities. But as a holding midfielder I'm not convinced by his tackling - I think he's off balance and a candidate for cards - or his range of passing.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 30, 2012, 12:07:53 PM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Quakes Fan on July 30, 2012, 08:24:16 PM
DA's very brief description of Yacob (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EojkfSkFZ9M).
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 05, 2012, 11:30:17 AM
After yesterday's game, the kit man tweeted that Yacob asked if he could keep his match shirt and kissed it before putting it into his bag. That would suggest he's pretty happy with his move to the club.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 05, 2012, 02:51:20 PM
For anyone who went to the game yesterday, how did Yacob look when he came on?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 05, 2012, 03:00:59 PM
To be honest Vanderlei he didn't have to do much. He made one good recovery tackle when we caught out but that was probably his most significant impact in the game. Seems to want the ball and uses it very effeciently, i.e. He gets it moves it away, similar to what Joe Allen does for Swansea City.

The official site said he got 25 minutes under his belt but it appeared much shorter than that. As I said, he didn't have to do much in his run out.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 05, 2012, 03:28:06 PM
He was just very tidy. Don't think he ever gave away possession but was keeping his passing nice and simple but it looks like he could get stuck in when he needs to. Overall it was just a tidy little debut and I hope to see more from him in the coming season but the signs at Sheffield Wednesday were all positive.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: richjonawba on August 05, 2012, 03:35:03 PM
need a player like him in the premier league to build from the back.

Otherwise, because of the lack of pressuring by premier league strikers, you rely too much on defenders to start attacks as we did last season, and unless you have some top quality footballing centre backs (we dont) you lose the ball too much.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: AlbionBest on August 05, 2012, 03:54:12 PM
Very neat yesterday - can win the ball BUT seemed to be able to pass easily to an Albion shirt also.
Great vision with his chipped forward ball late on.

Contrast to Mulumbu yesterday who was at his wasteful best !  (I'm a Mulumbu fan by the way)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: RacingClub on August 06, 2012, 09:18:40 PM
Hi Albion Fans, Im from Argentina and i just logged to share with you some things about Yacob. Well im a huge fan of Racing Club and Claudio is a very decent player, he played at high level a couple of years ago.
The major issue with him is his behave, he has some big problems in the club cause of his bad manners... f.e : he refuse to get sub, he argue with the directives cause he wants to raise his wage.
Now in the field he showed us that if he put in his mind he can be a Great Mid for you guys, looks like Gago hes good passing the ball and pressing in the mid, he also can play as CB sometimes...
The caps in Argentina are not the most important because that caps was in the "local team" and a lot of players was called in that time... but in the u-20 he played very well.

The thing is if you guys can put him in his place before he start arguing or showing bad respect, you can have a great player (remember when he was playing in Racing at his best... he received calls from Arsenal, United, Fiorentina and Napoli)

Well thats what i want to share with you guys i hope you can read it and sorry for my bad english!

The best from Albions !
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Mat15(MH) on August 06, 2012, 09:23:00 PM
Hi Albion Fans, Im from Argentina and i just logged to share with you some things about Yacob. Well im a huge fan of Racing Club and Claudio is a very decent player, he played at high level a couple of years ago.
The major issue with him is his behave, he has some big problems in the club cause of his bad manners... f.e : he refuse to get sub, he argue with the directives cause he wants to raise his wage.
Now in the field he showed us that if he put in his mind he can be a Great Mid for you guys, looks like Gago hes good passing the ball and pressing in the mid, he also can play as CB sometimes...
The caps in Argentina are not the most important because that caps was in the "local team" and a lot of players was called in that time... but in the u-20 he played very well.

The thing is if you guys can put him in his place before he start arguing or showing bad respect, you can have a great player (remember when he was playing in Racing at his best... he received calls from Arsenal, United, Fiorentina and Napoli)

Well thats what i want to share with you guys i hope you can read it and sorry for my bad english!

The best from Albions !

Thanks for the information about him mate, good to hear things about him from someone who has witnessed him in action first hand.

Welcome to the board!  ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 06, 2012, 09:29:54 PM
Hi Albion Fans, Im from Argentina and i just logged to share with you some things about Yacob. Well im a huge fan of Racing Club and Claudio is a very decent player, he played at high level a couple of years ago.
The major issue with him is his behave, he has some big problems in the club cause of his bad manners... f.e : he refuse to get sub, he argue with the directives cause he wants to raise his wage.
Now in the field he showed us that if he put in his mind he can be a Great Mid for you guys, looks like Gago hes good passing the ball and pressing in the mid, he also can play as CB sometimes...
The caps in Argentina are not the most important because that caps was in the "local team" and a lot of players was called in that time... but in the u-20 he played very well.

The thing is if you guys can put him in his place before he start arguing or showing bad respect, you can have a great player (remember when he was playing in Racing at his best... he received calls from Arsenal, United, Fiorentina and Napoli)

Well thats what i want to share with you guys i hope you can read it and sorry for my bad english!

The best from Albions !

Love it when overseas posters come on here and say 'sorry for my bad english', when its near perfect and better than half of the regular posters! ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: RacingClub on August 06, 2012, 09:37:44 PM
Thanks A Lot!

I cant wait to the EPL to start!

I Hope you start with a victory , i like Odewingie hes good too!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: rubyruby on August 06, 2012, 09:40:36 PM
Thanks A Lot!

I cant wait to the EPL to start!

I Hope you start with a victory , i like Odewingie hes good too!

Just out of interest. How is the EPL seen by football fans in Argentina? Is there much interest and how much is shown on your TV?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 06, 2012, 10:18:25 PM
Thanks A Lot!

I cant wait to the EPL to start!

I Hope you start with a victory , i like Odewingie hes good too!

Hopefully this will rub off on some of our fans closer to home!! Welcome to the board, I am very excited about the Yacob signing.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: rubyruby on August 06, 2012, 11:19:51 PM
A player that can naturally play deep and pass short and long with a real creative edge could be extremely useful. I am hopeful.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 06, 2012, 11:57:31 PM
A player that can naturally play deep and pass short and long with a real creative edge could be extremely useful. I am hopeful.

And me, our transition from defence to attack is often a bit clumsy, hopefully with a more talented defensive midfield player that will improve and make good use of our pace up front.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: RacingClub on August 07, 2012, 01:53:26 AM
Just out of interest. How is the EPL seen by football fans in Argentina? Is there much interest and how much is shown on your TV?

Hi, look my personal opinion is that the EPL is the best league of all, here is very important.
Im in position to say that is the 2nd league more important (1st spanish, but i prefer EPL)

and in the sport channels from here (ESPN, Fox ,ESPN+) dont show a lot of matches, always the important ones like Arsenal, Utd, City, Liverpool... but theres always a stream to watch the other matches!

now i ask to you guys... how is the Argentinian Tournament seen there?
i know its not the best one in this times... and you guys know anything about my club Racing?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Quakes Fan on August 07, 2012, 02:44:54 AM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: RacingClub on August 07, 2012, 05:16:03 AM
Oh Thanks, Im very excited for that match... i hope you guys cheers for RACING  ;D

we build a pretty strong team with new players...
incluiding the World Cup winner Mauro Camoranesi!

and some interesting players like Ortiz, Villar, Sand...
and the youngsters Corvalan, Vietto and Centurion (This one particulary is a promise jewel , lot of ability, we need to take him very slowly but he can be a big surprise)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: tegga on August 07, 2012, 07:40:45 PM
Oh Thanks, Im very excited for that match... i hope you guys cheers for RACING  ;D

we build a pretty strong team with new players...
incluiding the World Cup winner Mauro Camoranesi!

and some interesting players like Ortiz, Villar, Sand...
and the youngsters Corvalan, Vietto and Centurion (This one particulary is a promise jewel , lot of ability, we need to take him very slowly but he can be a big surprise)
He may be a good player, but with a name like Villar, i would find it difficult to cheer him, all the same i hope Racing beat Boco.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on August 07, 2012, 07:45:59 PM
Racing, while you're on here what are your thoughts on Tintin Viola? Signed for my team Sporting but is playing his final game for Racing in the final on the 10th.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: KingKoren on August 07, 2012, 10:54:04 PM
Didn't Camoranesi sign for Lanus just last year?

I have only watched a few Argentinian games usually on a betting stream whilst bored. I know a bit from computer games as well.  :D

I know Racing are a big club in Argentina with a big Stadium and following. I like the league format, which is rather bizarre, where there are two titles to play for a season and relegation is done by average points over 6 years - it must keep it very interesting for all teams.

Have River been promoted? I assume they will be challenging for titles. I imagine it is rather difficult for Argentinian clubs as there isn't much money especially compared to Brazil and the limit on foreign players - probably makes the league more open though. I assume the Copa Libertadores is pretty much monopolised by Brazilian sides.

I quite like Lanus and Racing for some reason - I hope you both do well.

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Albion07 on August 07, 2012, 11:03:03 PM
Hi, look my personal opinion is that the EPL is the best league of all, here is very important.
Im in position to say that is the 2nd league more important (1st spanish, but i prefer EPL)

and in the sport channels from here (ESPN, Fox ,ESPN+) dont show a lot of matches, always the important ones like Arsenal, Utd, City, Liverpool... but theres always a stream to watch the other matches!

now i ask to you guys... how is the Argentinian Tournament seen there?
i know its not the best one in this times... and you guys know anything about my club Racing?
I kept my eye on the Argentina Primera last season, a fascinating league. Was crazy that Tigre could have won the league and been relegated due to the relegation system you have! Dont know much about Racing as a club , although I see you have Camoranesi , interesting player to have. Good luck for the season ahead!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on August 07, 2012, 11:13:09 PM
I kept my eye on the Argentina Primera last season, a fascinating league. Was crazy that Tigre could have won the league and been relegated due to the relegation system you have! Dont know much about Racing as a club , although I see you have Camoranesi , interesting player to have. Good luck for the season ahead!

Camoranesi kicked a Racing player in the face last season after being shown a red card for a headbutt, while playing for Lanus.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: RacingClub on August 08, 2012, 02:31:32 AM
Racing, while you're on here what are your thoughts on Tintin Viola? Signed for my team Sporting but is playing his final game for Racing in the final on the 10th.

THE FINAL IS TOMORROW! not the 10th!

well my opinion of Viola is that he is a great young player with bright future... he have speed, body and shoot... if im going to compare him with a known player i have to say that he looks like Aguero but he needs to improve some things to be that good! but for sure is one of the best players that we promote from the young divisions! and now we have another good sub young Luciano Vietto keep an eye on him too he's just been promoted to train with the first team!


Tegga, Villar is not a name is his last name his name is Diego!

Didn't Camoranesi sign for Lanus just last year?

I have only watched a few Argentinian games usually on a betting stream whilst bored. I know a bit from computer games as well.  :D

I know Racing are a big club in Argentina with a big Stadium and following. I like the league format, which is rather bizarre, where there are two titles to play for a season and relegation is done by average points over 6 years - it must keep it very interesting for all teams.

Have River been promoted? I assume they will be challenging for titles. I imagine it is rather difficult for Argentinian clubs as there isn't much money especially compared to Brazil and the limit on foreign players - probably makes the league more open though. I assume the Copa Libertadores is pretty much monopolised by Brazilian sides.

I quite like Lanus and Racing for some reason - I hope you both do well.



Yeah he signed for Lanus but not renew his contract and now sign with Racing!
The tournament has changed this year... is similar than the other one (now is called Torneo Inicial & Torneo Final, not Apertura & Clausura anymore...)
the 2 champions still remains and now is going to be a "super final" between the 2 champs for a cup!

River promoted this year yes, but started bad losing 1-2 with Belgrano (the team that send them to 2nd Division LOL! )

ALBION07 : tigre is not relegated they still in 1st due to the great final part of the tournament they did! the ones who has been relegated was Olimpo and Banfield.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Albion07 on August 08, 2012, 12:14:10 PM
THE FINAL IS TOMORROW! not the 10th!

well my opinion of Viola is that he is a great young player with bright future... he have speed, body and shoot... if im going to compare him with a known player i have to say that he looks like Aguero but he needs to improve some things to be that good! but for sure is one of the best players that we promote from the young divisions! and now we have another good sub young Luciano Vietto keep an eye on him too he's just been promoted to train with the first team!


Tegga, Villar is not a name is his last name his name is Diego!

Yeah he signed for Lanus but not renew his contract and now sign with Racing!
The tournament has changed this year... is similar than the other one (now is called Torneo Inicial & Torneo Final, not Apertura & Clausura anymore...)
the 2 champions still remains and now is going to be a "super final" between the 2 champs for a cup!

River promoted this year yes, but started bad losing 1-2 with Belgrano (the team that send them to 2nd Division LOL! )

ALBION07 : tigre is not relegated they still in 1st due to the great final part of the tournament they did! the ones who has been relegated was Olimpo and Banfield.
Yeah I know Tigre werent relegated, I just find the possibility that they could have been relegated and win the league interesting ( even if they ended up doing neither)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Quakes Fan on August 09, 2012, 02:05:31 AM
Damn, Boca just got a second. 0-2  63'.  :(

Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool de Racing!  1-2   69'

4 minutes added. Now or never.

All over. Boca wins 2-1. Boca could have had four if not for some heroic defending by Racing.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: BromsgroveWBA on August 10, 2012, 10:56:50 AM
Racing - when i was in Argentina for the Copa America, i had a look around your stadium, which was superb. Really want to take in a Racing - Independiente game there, as i bet the atmosphere would be out of this world.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 10, 2012, 11:34:38 AM
Just thought i'd let you all know... he's rated 77 on Fifa! haha  ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: RacingClub on August 13, 2012, 12:12:28 AM
Sorry for being late! well we lost the cup , we did what we can , but it wasnt enough!

Racing - when i was in Argentina for the Copa America, i had a look around your stadium, which was superb. Really want to take in a Racing - Independiente game there, as i bet the atmosphere would be out of this world.

in fact , i think is one of the most shocking matches in southamerica, the same for boca-river but Racing - Indepte is huge! is the biggest show i ever seen!

you talk about atmosphere take a look at this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_G2lADmpaQ

AMAZING!
Title: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: A5HB on August 13, 2012, 12:33:09 AM
Claudio is certainly popular in his own country, I met him on Thursday as I was at the ground when he left the press conference. I got a photo with him and put it as my profile picture. I tweeted after the Forest game that he played well and I have had several Argentinians tweet me telling me how much they love him and miss him!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob signed Offical
Post by: Vassassin on August 13, 2012, 06:37:12 AM
The paper recycling tycoons would be very rich in Argentina!
No. 1 for toilet roll consumption
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 18, 2012, 07:05:20 PM
I know it's early days but this guy looked class today. He was always there to receive the ball, was very neat and tidy, never gave away possession and demonstrated a range of passing.

I'm trying not to get carried away here but he looks like a new level of player for us!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 18, 2012, 07:15:05 PM
Thought he looked very assured on the ball, and can't remember him loosing possession at all.  Looked to me like a player who's played for us for years. Can really see Mulumbu flourishing next to him as well.

Suppose we shouldn't be too surprised considering the guys an Argentinian international  :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 18, 2012, 07:48:52 PM
Really pleased to hear that he had a good game today, long may it continue.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggies on August 18, 2012, 08:27:26 PM
Thought he looked very assured on the ball, and can't remember him loosing possession at all.  Looked to me like a player who's played for us for years. Can really see Mulumbu flourishing next to him as well.

Suppose we shouldn't be too surprised considering the guys an Argentinian international  :)

As the Racing Club fan posted on here, the Argentina cap does not mean much as he was selected for a side that only featured players from the Argentinian league (Brazil and Argentina often select "domestic sides").

I do agree however that he looks like another step up. He read the game so well and didnt need to over commit to tackles. He just swept in and took the ball while Mulumbu did that clever thing he does of getting physical with a player but not over stepping the line.

I think the Mulumbu Yacob partnership is going to be our biggest asset this season.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: RacingClub on August 18, 2012, 08:55:21 PM
Congrats! you guys win 3-0 against Liverpool very well
and as i can see , Yacob did a very well match too!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Aztech on August 18, 2012, 08:57:24 PM
Yacob had a very good game, I can only remember one pass where he gave the ball away in the entire match.

Have you got any other good players we can sign?  ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: RacingClub on August 18, 2012, 09:00:50 PM
Yacob had a very good game, I can only remember one pass where he gave the ball away in the entire match.

Have you got any other good players we can sign?  ;D

Lol , yes we have a couple of young jewels but they need more development first , and theyre not going to be free , they're going to cost a considerable amount of money in the future!

but you can chek out the names of:
Ricardo Centurion
Luciano Vietto
Valentin Viola (young player, recently sold to Sporting Lisboa)
Esteban Saveljich


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SQqzuGlOPs
The 2nd goal was Centurion , interesant moves!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 18, 2012, 09:07:43 PM
Yacob | Pass Comp 50/52 96% - Top for WBA | Won 2/2 Tackles, 3/5 ground duels | 58 touches, 2 Lost Pos | 1 Chance Created @EPLIndex
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggie79 on August 18, 2012, 09:20:06 PM
Top player as you can see already. Different class!!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: gerry m on August 18, 2012, 09:20:26 PM
Congrats! you guys win 3-0 against Liverpool very well
and as i can see , Yacob did a very well match too!

looks to be a very good player! will be very important for us this season hopefully :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Wbamitch on August 18, 2012, 09:30:39 PM
Excellent debut. Deserved his Man of the Match Award. Excellent in position and already he seems someone you can rely on in pressure situations to keep the ball and just make the simple passes. Only gave the ball away once by memory. As others have already said and also something i posted in the matchday thread that he and Mulumbu look the perfect partnership for each other and they could really be a key part of our side this season.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Ihsaan on August 18, 2012, 09:39:27 PM
50/52 (96%) pass completion today, not bad at all on debut against Gerrard, Suarez and co hassling him in midfield.  I thought these South Americans were meant to take time to settle?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on August 18, 2012, 09:47:24 PM
Lol , yes we have a couple of young jewels but they need more development first , and theyre not going to be free , they're going to cost a considerable amount of money in the future!

but you can chek out the names of:
Ricardo Centurion
Luciano Vietto
Valentin Viola (young player, recently sold to Sporting Lisboa)
Esteban Saveljich


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SQqzuGlOPs
The 2nd goal was Centurion , interesant moves!

After watching Yacob impress today Racing, are you going to watch Tintin tomorrow? We're away to Guimaraes
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: RacingClub on August 18, 2012, 09:55:32 PM
After watching Yacob impress today Racing, are you going to watch Tintin tomorrow? We're away to Guimaraes


He's going to play in the start 11?
well sure im going to try to find a stream to watch some!
I hope he can make a outstanding debut too, he deserves the best!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on August 18, 2012, 11:33:51 PM

He's going to play in the start 11?
well sure im going to try to find a stream to watch some!
I hope he can make a outstanding debut too, he deserves the best!

Depends if we play 2 strikers. Hope so.

It was like watching CM for a title chasing side, did everything asked of him today and more. Excellent Claudio
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: alex1 on August 19, 2012, 01:42:45 AM
I too believe that Yacob is a great signing, but he may be particularly useful in giving Mulumbu more freedom.  I think a team needs to exercise control in that part of the pitch, and Yacob seems the type of player who keeps possession and allows others to play. I can't remember him actually breaking forward through the midfield, getting into goal scoring positions, but we have other players that can do that. He may be the reason why Mulumbu had such a great game against Liverpool .
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: GrGr on August 19, 2012, 01:51:59 AM
I too believe that Yacob is a great signing, but he may be particularly useful in giving Mulumbu more freedom.  I think a team needs to exercise control in that part of the pitch, and Yacob seems the type of player who keeps possession and allows others to play. I can't remember him actually breaking forward through the midfield, getting into goal scoring positions, but we have other players that can do that. He may be the reason why Mulumbu had such a great game against Liverpool .

I think so. Also Yacob released Morrison on several occasions. So wonderful to have a midfield where all are comfortable on the ball. Mulumbu also looked improved with the ball at his feet and didn't allow himself to get crowded out, but always played a simple pass instead. Maybe that was because he had better support because of our shape, but also to me it looked as if he had worked on that part of the game. 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: crisoWBA on August 19, 2012, 03:38:06 AM
I was going to mention his pass completion success, i watched him alot and analysed his performance. 96% pass completion ratio sounds about right, i knew it'd be over 95%  because i didn't see any of his passes go astray.

Looks class so far :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: apple on August 19, 2012, 10:26:55 AM
Thought Yacob & Mulumbu were both fantastic yesterday, can remember only one misplaced from Yacob and that very nearly put the forward away, do other teams watch these players?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Pseudo_Intel on August 19, 2012, 12:44:37 PM
Thought Yacob & Mulumbu were both fantastic yesterday, can remember only one misplaced from Yacob and that very nearly put the forward away, do other teams watch these players?

They're too busy fantasising over the somewhat overrated Joe Allen who, despite having a good game yesterday, lacks certain qualities I feel a certain Claudio Yacob possesses - not just grace, but tenacity as well.

Liverpool's midfield was very lightweight yesterday.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: slugga1 on August 19, 2012, 12:55:03 PM
He's got many more games to play until we can realistically evaluate him but if yesterday was anywhere near his general level of play then he will be worth a hell of a lot of money in a season or two that's for sure. He was just incredible, so comfortable on the ball and not overdoing anything, you would think he had played for us for years. Quality.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 19, 2012, 12:58:53 PM
Thought Yacob & Mulumbu were both fantastic yesterday, can remember only one misplaced from Yacob and that very nearly put the forward away, do other teams watch these players?

Quality partnerships can take you to another level, what I saw yesterday looked like a very good partnership being formed, they complemeted each other very well, not going to get carried away, but........
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Standaman on August 19, 2012, 01:07:22 PM
I was very impressed based on yesterday's performance he never looked hurried in possession which I always think is a mark of a quality player. In this day and age it is impossible that other Premier League Clubs were not aware of him but for whatever reason decided not to act maybe not their idea of a "marque" signing or maybe they feel they did not need him or because they have managers that insist on scouting their new signings first hand but what the hell their loss our gain.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 19, 2012, 01:28:39 PM
Fantastic league debut to be honest. It was refreshing to see a midfielder look so comfortable and calm in possession. He's a massive step up on Scharner and Keith Andrews. He slotted in very well and you would think, he's still learning the game in this country so what kind of player do we have on our hands? Very impressive debut, good on the ball, and also roughled a few Liverpool feathers.

Need more of it.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boinging_along on August 19, 2012, 02:17:23 PM
I think so. Also Yacob released Morrison on several occasions. So wonderful to have a midfield where all are comfortable on the ball. Mulumbu also looked improved with the ball at his feet and didn't allow himself to get crowded out, but always played a simple pass instead. Maybe that was because he had better support because of our shape, but also to me it looked as if he had worked on that part of the game.

I would imagine that was the case.  When he was looking for a pass he had Morrisson, Yacob, Gera, Pete as options, all comfortable on the ball.   Compare that to last season when the forwards would be too far for a pass that isn't just a long punt and his only other options would be Scharner\Andrews or go backwards to the defence.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: albion59 on August 19, 2012, 03:44:39 PM
Thought he looked very assured on the ball, and can't remember him loosing possession at all.  Looked to me like a player who's played for us for years. Can really see Mulumbu flourishing next to him as well.

Suppose we shouldn't be too surprised considering the guys an Argentinian international  :)
agree with what you say about mulumbu i said that to my grandson yesterday, yacob what can i say probabally the best debut i have seen from an albion player oozes class!
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on August 19, 2012, 03:55:43 PM
Looked a different class.

Hardly misplaced a pass (2 out of 52), looked comfortable on the ball, won challenges well, knew where the player was every time with some excellent balls.

Very exciting times ahead with this guy I think.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on August 19, 2012, 06:25:33 PM
POLISHED! in a word.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: the rainbow turn east on August 19, 2012, 06:38:55 PM
Watched Doumbia for Wolves and Iam so glad we got Jacob instead,
Henry and Doumbia looked abit headless chicken.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KYA on August 19, 2012, 06:42:00 PM
This guy is quality no doubt,the only worry is if he gets homesick.
Before we signed him he looked excellant on the clips on the internet.
This can be misleading especially for strikers but not quite the case with a midfielder,the clips showed his coolness in possession and his range of passing.
I will end how i started he is quality no doubt.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: RacingClub on August 19, 2012, 07:15:27 PM
I Came to update you with some info of Racing :D

we won our match against our classic rival Independiente 2-0

Centurion was outstanding today!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Quakes Fan on August 19, 2012, 07:18:13 PM
I Came to update you with some info of Racing :D

we won our match against our classic rival Independiente 2-0

Centurion was outstanding today!

Congratulations! I would imagine that will put a smile on Claudio's face.   :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Nocky on August 20, 2012, 09:43:15 AM
Personally, I thought he was a bit off the pace in the first half and was second to too many breaking/bouncing balls. Second half I thought he was very good, particularly in terms of his positional play and reading of the game. He made some excellent interceptions and tackles sitting in front of the back four which allowed us to break on Liverpool. 

His passing was unspectacular but it was tidy and economical which is arguably all you want from your holding midfielder. Overall it was a very solid debut and hopefully a sign of things to come. The most important thing for me was the way he sat in front of the back four all game which allowed Mulumbu more freedom to move around the pitch. The latter was outstanding as a result. 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Savvas78 on August 20, 2012, 11:02:44 AM
Yacob really showed his calmness on the ball, kept his passing simple and showed he doesn't mind getting stuck into the defensive side of the game.

You can't underestimate how important it is to have a player who has the ability to receive the ball deep and pass it to those further up the pitch without conceding possession half the time. As a result our midfield will never be isolated if the defence has an outlet like that.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 20, 2012, 11:18:22 AM
I thought he took a while to get up to speed in the first half but thats only to be expected. Even so, he never got caught in possession which is the sign of a class player, always got the pass away and ( almost ) always found his man with the pass. As the match progressed, he grew in stature and we saw how that rubbed off on Mulumbu who I thought had one of his best games for us.

Claudio held off Lucas when winning the ball for the 3rd goal and was well deserving of his M.O.T.M award.

The whole team was fab yesterday and if confidence is 3/4 of the game, then the whole team should be buzzing and cant wait to get back for training, no injuries and the whole squad anticipating the next match......long may it continue  ;D :) :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Webby on August 20, 2012, 11:42:49 AM
Great passer
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boinging_along on August 20, 2012, 11:49:16 AM
Personally, I thought he was a bit off the pace in the first half and was second to too many breaking/bouncing balls. Second half I thought he was very good, particularly in terms of his positional play and reading of the game. He made some excellent interceptions and tackles sitting in front of the back four which allowed us to break on Liverpool. 

His passing was unspectacular but it was tidy and economical which is arguably all you want from your holding midfielder. Overall it was a very solid debut and hopefully a sign of things to come. The most important thing for me was the way he sat in front of the back four all game which allowed Mulumbu more freedom to move around the pitch. The latter was outstanding as a result.

Totally agree, especially about Mulumbu.  He looked like he was back to his normal self.  He could commit to making interceptions now as he knew Jacob was there if he didn't get it.  Last season he had to put the brakes on in similar circumstances. 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on August 20, 2012, 12:28:55 PM
Totally agree, especially about Mulumbu. He looked like he was back to his normal self.   He could commit to making interceptions now as he knew Jacob was there if he didn't get it.  Last season he had to put the brakes on in similar circumstances.

Really?
I though he made a couple of rash challenges on the edge opf the box that could have cost us on another day, and his passing was often wayward.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mister AT on August 20, 2012, 12:38:33 PM
Thought his passing was good, completed 50/52 if im right.

Think hell go about his business quietly but well notice how important hell become when hes missing.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: monkey nuts on August 20, 2012, 03:38:18 PM
Really?
I though he made a couple of rash challenges on the edge opf the box that could have cost us on another day, and his passing was often wayward.

as he said back to his usual self  :)

i thought they dove tailed really well and was a great debut for the lad
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Vassassin on August 20, 2012, 11:49:13 PM
Yacob = Good driver in heavy traffic.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 21, 2012, 12:24:46 AM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggieboyfred on August 21, 2012, 12:40:50 PM
saw his first start against walsall, told every baggie boy i know , that here we have a guy who could turn out to be another paul scholes, takes the ball well under pressue always made himself available had good distribution, rarely gave it away, and will be a great foil for mulumbu. and watching him against the pool  convinces me even more
obviously i know its early days  yet and the scholes analogy gives him a massive task to emulate him , but i reckon once he gets used to the premiership he will get better and better, watch this space
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albion79 on August 21, 2012, 01:13:18 PM
Somebody saying above about how high confidence is, it may of already been mentioned but on Saturday Pat Frost the Albion kit man tweeted -

'I am not saying the dressing room is buzzing but i have been stung five times!'

I havent heard that saying before but it made me laugh! He also tweeted today that everybody at the training ground all had massive smiles still including the security guards!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: THROSTLE79 on August 21, 2012, 03:00:34 PM
Good news the squad is buzzing ,,, bring on AVB again !!!! LOL  :P
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: don1thedon on August 22, 2012, 11:25:29 AM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: crisoWBA on August 22, 2012, 12:15:06 PM
Haha that quote made me laugh too, his dog!
I can't believe how lucky we are getting him to be honest.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: up_the_baggies on August 22, 2012, 01:18:09 PM
Very impressive start!

Looking forward to see how he progresses throughout the season.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 22, 2012, 01:25:12 PM
Should be worth 20 million when his contract comes to an end.Nice one Jeremy :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 22, 2012, 03:40:43 PM
Just sent an article about Yacob to an Argentinian ex-colleague of mine. He is a massive Racing fan, and stated that he was surprised the player was allowed to leave, and that they miss him in the team. Serves him right for always finding an opportunity to raise the subject of Maradona in conversation. :P
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on August 22, 2012, 03:52:56 PM
Missed the game..still soakin up some sunshine. Son described his performance (and Mulumbus) as immense. Said Gerrard was almost anonymous!!......hope this bodes well for the season!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: DorransSporran on August 22, 2012, 05:58:30 PM
On SSN it says he is on loan  :o?? Obviously got it wrong!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 22, 2012, 06:59:26 PM
On SSN it says he is on loan  :o ?? Obviously got it wrong!

SSN are f****** idiots!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: RacingClub on August 22, 2012, 10:26:04 PM
Just sent an article about Yacob to an Argentinian ex-colleague of mine. He is a massive Racing fan, and stated that he was surprised the player was allowed to leave, and that they miss him in the team. Serves him right for always finding an opportunity to raise the subject of Maradona in conversation. :P

Hi Men!, well let me be honest with you... i dont know your friend, but we dont miss him like a lot you know... theres no doubt that he is a good player when he put that in her mind!
But there was a couple of things that made the fans hate him and i told that in a previous comment
"He refuses to get sub in the middle of a match , and yell to the coach"
"He want a raise in his wage , when he was just a young one"
"He trade a short in the end of a classic match against Independiente"

of course some people miss him cause he was great level in some seasons, but the last ones, gosh was just awful...all of us think that he didn't wanted to play here anymore.

and that was take us to made the decision to separate him from the team... and he was training with the reserves just till the end of the season when his contract finish.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tgd26 on August 22, 2012, 10:51:09 PM
Just watched the MOTD highlights again and was so impressed with the way Yacob chased down and stole the ball off Allen around ten minutes from the end. Then the way he timed and placed his pass to set off Fortune on that great run down the wing was superb. Looks like a hard worker with the skill to match which is all you can ask of someone playing that role. Long may it continue!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Moggas barmy army on August 23, 2012, 12:04:04 AM
Just watched the MOTD highlights again and was so impressed with the way Yacob chased down and stole the ball off Allen around ten minutes from the end. Then the way he timed and placed his pass to set off Fortune on that great run down the wing was superb. Looks like a hard worker with the skill to match which is all you can ask of someone playing that role. Long may it continue!

I thought it was Gerrard he stole it off? Il have to watch it again but I noticed this too, it was quality how he took the ball of him then played a sublime pass right into Fortune.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: vikingbaggie on August 23, 2012, 07:46:49 AM
I thought it was Gerrard he stole it off? Il have to watch it again but I noticed this too, it was quality how he took the ball of him then played a sublime pass right into Fortune.

...and also the way he protected the ball after he had got it.... Great moment in the match.... :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2012, 08:51:25 AM
Is this guy on loan, i am sure on Sky Sports news, the caption on the right hand side, players in & outs it says hes on loan
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Floydy on August 24, 2012, 08:58:13 AM
Is this guy on loan, i am sure on Sky Sports news, the caption on the right hand side, players in & outs it says hes on loan

It does; but he isn't. We signed him as our player.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: clintsmoker on August 25, 2012, 02:50:39 PM
was a very good performance last week. Showed a lot of our players how to do it in the first half when we looked nervous and misplacing passes. Kept it short sharp and simple.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 25, 2012, 05:58:21 PM
I thought he had a good game again today.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: richjonawba on August 25, 2012, 11:05:16 PM
very very good game today, was tenacious throughout, put in alot of wuality tackles and (surprisingly) won alot of headers

He and Mulumbu were our best players by a country mile
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 25, 2012, 11:15:40 PM
Him and Mulumbu could become one of the most dominant midfield duos in the division. Fantastic play today from about 15 minutes on from Yacob.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on August 26, 2012, 07:28:47 PM
Looks on the evidence of the first couple games to be a really shrewd signing. The thing that has surprised me is the speed with which he has picked up the flow of the game in the PL. I actually expected SC to use him more sparingly to begin with. Very impressive.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Pseudo_Intel on August 26, 2012, 07:47:31 PM
Looks on the evidence of the first couple games to be a really shrewd signing. The thing that has surprised me is the speed with which he has picked up the flow of the game in the PL. I actually expected SC to use him more sparingly to begin with. Very impressive.

Yeah true. But Dashworth even said, as has Clarke at some point, argentine league is pretty physical.

All the argentines like Tevez, Aguero, Zabaleta etc. are all very strong and can take a knock. Same with Yacob I think.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KingKoren on August 26, 2012, 08:14:29 PM
Looks on the evidence of the first couple games to be a really shrewd signing. The thing that has surprised me is the speed with which he has picked up the flow of the game in the PL. I actually expected SC to use him more sparingly to begin with. Very impressive.

I get the impression that the position in which he plays (no5) is pretty idiosyncratic and revered in Argentinian football. He is well disciplined and many aspects of the role are probably engrained into his game - and all we are asking him to do is replicate it for us - not to adapt. I don't think this lad needs coaching, he knows what to do,  he's been playing this position at a big Argentinian club from a young age (as captain) hence he has settled quickly.

He has been fantastic so far but from what I've seen (I know It's early doors) but I'm not convinced he can improve drastically (no bad thing) - he can enhance some other more subtle areas of his game - but I don't know if theirs a great scope for him to get better - I hope he can, that would be incredible. When he gets to grips with the language we may benefit from his leadership qualities - which is something to look forward to.

If he consistently matches his form in the first two games, throughout the season, I will be ecstatic.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: dragon on August 27, 2012, 11:19:27 PM
I saw him a few times in Argentina and I'm not too convinced. He can definitely dictate play well sometimes and send a few cracking balls. On the other hand his tackling isn't great and he looses his head occasionally. Another thing that worries me is that he often goes for over-ambitious passes and looses the ball. He's not too consistant, either. Still a good transfer on a free, however. A lot like Sharner.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: chipperclark on August 27, 2012, 11:24:17 PM
I saw him a few times in Argentina and I'm not too convinced. He can definitely dictate play well sometimes and send a few cracking balls. On the other hand his tackling isn't great and he looses his head occasionally. Another thing that worries me is that he often goes for over-ambitious passes and looses the ball. He's not too consistant, either. Still a good transfer on a free, however. A lot like Sharner.
:D I don't think you have been watching the same player as me...he has played only 2 premier league games and got almost MOM each time.....if he plays that badly every week I wont complain.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: albionmybabys on August 27, 2012, 11:27:05 PM
:D I don't think you have been watching the same player as me...he has played only 2 premier league games and got almost MOM each time.....if he plays that badly every week I wont complain.

I'm sure he had a pass rate of 95% in the liverpool game...
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 27, 2012, 11:28:55 PM
He only misplaced two passes against Liverpool out of 50 odd I think the stat was. To say he's a lot like Scharner is purely underestimating the lads talents to be frank. We have a quality player on our hands, one who is technically miles better than Paul Scharner. He has performed very well, controlling the midfield alongside Mulumbu and Morrison. He's also won his fair share of tackles, as well as his ability to remain calm in possession is why he has earned two man of the match awards already in many fans eyes.

As for loses his head, I don't know where that's happened in the opening two games but lets remember he's still adjusting to life in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: albionmybabys on August 27, 2012, 11:35:22 PM
He only misplaced two passes against Liverpool out of 50 odd I think the stat was. To say he's a lot like Scharner is purely underestimating the lads talents to be frank. We have a quality player on our hands, one who is technically miles better than Paul Scharner. He has performed very well, controlling the midfield alongside Mulumbu and Morrison. He's also won his fair share of tackles, as well as his ability to remain calm in possession is why he has earned two man of the match awards already in many fans eyes.

As for loses his head, I don't know where that's happened in the opening two games but lets remember he's still adjusting to life in the Premier League.



Spot on mate... The only small criticism is he gave a couple of daft free kicks away but so do all midfielders in the prem, he looks another diamond of the free transfers market....
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 27, 2012, 11:37:54 PM



Spot on mate... The only small criticism is he gave a couple of daft free kicks away but so do all midfielders in the pren he looks another diamond of the free transfers market....

If its the daft free kicks people are worried about then they must hate Mulumbu because he's by far the guilty culprit for conceding daft free kicks!  ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: nybaggie10 on August 28, 2012, 02:09:46 AM
I saw him a few times in Argentina and I'm not too convinced. He can definitely dictate play well sometimes and send a few cracking balls. On the other hand his tackling isn't great and he looses his head occasionally. Another thing that worries me is that he often goes for over-ambitious passes and looses the ball. He's not too consistant, either. Still a good transfer on a free, however. A lot like Sharner.


You've got to be kidding me, right? So far, he's played two games for us against Liverpool and Tottenham and he looks like he's been with us for 3 seasons, so seamlessly has he slotted in. Not only that, the much vaunted Joe Allen and Gerrard were never in it against us and much of that was down to Yacob (and Mulumbu) running the show. Everything I've seen of Yacob against Liverpool and Spurs oozes class. His touch, ability to nick the ball away from an opposing player, his passing and distribution, positional sense, the guy is different gravy believe me. He's also allowed Mulumbu and Morrison to have much more attacking freedom which is paying dividends in spades.

Don't be surprised if this kid is our captain one day, once he's mastered the English language because you can already tell he has leadership qualities and he was captain of Racing from an early age.
 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: dragon on August 28, 2012, 08:11:05 AM
I'm sure he had a pass rate of 95% in the liverpool game...

96.2%
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mister AT on August 28, 2012, 08:18:30 AM
I think he'll turn out to be a cracking signing for the club.

Keeps things relatively simple and breaks up play whilst adding a touch of quality when on the ball.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: dragon on August 28, 2012, 10:19:15 AM
He only misplaced two passes against Liverpool out of 50 odd I think the stat was. To say he's a lot like Scharner is purely underestimating the lads talents to be frank. We have a quality player on our hands, one who is technically miles better than Paul Scharner. He has performed very well, controlling the midfield alongside Mulumbu and Morrison. He's also won his fair share of tackles, as well as his ability to remain calm in possession is why he has earned two man of the match awards already in many fans eyes.

As for loses his head, I don't know where that's happened in the opening two games but lets remember he's still adjusting to life in the Premier League.

You're right I did underestimate him a bit because he is definitely a much better midfielder than Sharner, who I think is better suited to central defence. I just think the way he plays and imposes himself is a bit like Sharner. The hyperbole was a bit off, sorry about that.

I don't think he is a bad midfielder by any means but I also don't think he will be a consistent starter all season. For losing his head that was also a bit over the top for losing his concentration, which I saw at times when I watched him.

I think people are misinterpretating what I'm saying because I'm not referring to both the West Brom games this season, which I watched. He was excellent in both of them.

Hopefully things will turn out for Dorrans on the wing now, I feel for the lad.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on August 28, 2012, 03:56:12 PM



Spot on mate... The only small criticism is he gave a couple of daft free kicks away but so do all midfielders in the prem, he looks another diamond of the free transfers market....

Well the one he gave away Saturday which led to Foster tipping over was actually Ollsons fault because he was trying to recover the ball from one of his all too often awful balls out of defence
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: smethwickw on September 01, 2012, 05:01:14 PM
What a class act. Keeps it simple, never wastes a ball and great in the tackle. MOTM for me today.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Pistol Pete on September 01, 2012, 05:04:12 PM
Great again today, obviously he is going to have bad games just like any player but so far he has really shown his class.

Claudio is going to score the winner at Villa Park this season then in celebration rip his shirt in half to reveal underneath a t-shirt with a picture of Paul Scharner revealing underneath his shirt a t-shirt denoting the Albion badge.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 01, 2012, 05:55:42 PM
Yacob was immense again today. Him and Mulumbu are just dominating teams at the moment. I think we will end up making a lot of money on this kid, he's destined for big things.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tommi on September 01, 2012, 05:57:56 PM
Fantastic today, him and Mulumbu have the potential to be top class next to each other.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KYA on September 01, 2012, 06:04:43 PM
Yacob was immense again today. Him and Mulumbu are just dominating teams at the moment. I think we will end up making a lot of money on this kid, he's destined for big things.

No doubt about it we will enjoy him for a season or two before the likes of City come in for him.
He is a masterclass of a midfielder what more would you want from a DM.
When we do sell we just go and find the next diamond but it will be sad he is such a good player he actually makes it look easy.
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: mikeey89 on September 01, 2012, 06:08:31 PM
Yacob played outstanding today. He keeps it simple, is composed and effective. Just what we needed! Him and Mulumbu have been immense so far. Long may it continue
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggieheart on September 01, 2012, 06:11:55 PM
Another tip of the hat to the scouting department.

Hopefully will get even better when he settles in.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Silva on September 01, 2012, 08:07:49 PM
best signing this summer for me, hardly ever wastes posession and has a great eye for a pass, I can see him improving a lot with a season or two in the prem with us.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: gerry m on September 01, 2012, 08:12:58 PM
this guy has come to this country away from his home and culture and plays as though he has been here for years! hopefully we will be able to keep hold of him. his partnership with Mulumbu will be crucial for us this season.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggie79 on September 01, 2012, 08:34:26 PM
He is a different level, he has it all and that tackle on the edge of the box was amazing.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Wbamitch on September 01, 2012, 09:12:38 PM
Brilliant. Has many aspects of the game which makes him a real gem to have. Were lucky to have talent like this if he can keep at this rate consistently. As i and many others have mentioned, yacob and mulumbu together =immense.

Thought he was slightly lucky to stay on the pitch with a swinging elbow in front of the brummie so hopefully he can tone that down a bit, but with more tackles like the one towards the end in front of the smethwick.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 01, 2012, 09:20:35 PM
Really pleased that he had another good game today.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Barrington on September 01, 2012, 09:23:09 PM
He's settled into the premier league quickly and brilliantly. He looks so comfortable on the ball and has excellent vision and passing ability. He can also do the other side of the game well with his ability to win the ball in a challenge. I feel so calm when he has the ball at his feet as you know that 99% of the time the next player who will be on the ball will be in an Albion shirt. He'll have his off games as all footballers do but if he performs how he has in the first few games over a long period of time we have a cracking footballer on our hands. Seems to work really well alongside Mulumbu too which is excellent. Looks a terrific signing so far.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: lewisant on September 01, 2012, 10:14:19 PM
Great again today, obviously he is going to have bad games just like any player but so far he has really shown his class.

Claudio is going to score the winner at Villa Park this season then in celebration rip his shirt in half to reveal underneath a t-shirt with a picture of Paul Scharner revealing underneath his shirt a t-shirt denoting the Albion badge.

That would be AMAZING and make him a legend!!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on September 01, 2012, 10:16:48 PM
Great players keep it simple and Claudio certainly does that. First time Ive seen him today. Mightily impressed.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Londonbaggymike on September 01, 2012, 10:29:12 PM
I'm not really adding much to this debate but him and mulumbu are immense!

I can only see him improving as he doesn't speak English yet. Also we heard all these stories about him crying because he wanted to break his contract with us. But, fair play, he's settled and looks class. He is a level above what we've had since Robson.

Happy days!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 01, 2012, 11:04:56 PM
If he carries on like this then I'll have worries about us keeping hold of him.

Just fantastic yet again, just has that hack of been in the right place at the right time and the composure when he has the ball is invaluable, especially compared to last season when you think we had Scharner & Andrews. I also think his ability on the ball has brought the best out of Mulumbu, too. They both seemed to have formed a partnership and one which will be very important to us over the coming season.

Quality.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on September 02, 2012, 12:35:22 AM
Watching him this season I'm scratching my head wondering how he's managed to slip under the radar of the top clubs. He seems to be almost the perfect holding midfield player. He's an amazing tackler, he hardly ever seems to come out of a tackle without the ball no matter how difficult the tackle is (just look at that tackle on Jelavic in the penalty area in the first half :o, and the one on the edge of the box late in the game); he's a sublime passer, misplaced passes by him seem are extremely rare, he can both keep it simple and execute a dangerous longer ball (the one which set Long clean through before Distin caught up with him for example); he's very comfortable on the ball; good in the air; strong; disciplined... he looks to have everything and if he keeps this form up then it's only a matter of time before a top club start sniffing around. Him and Mulumbu look like a perfect partnership too, I always thought Mulumbu and Scharner were a match made in heaven, but so far these two have been devastating in midfield together. I know I'm getting over excited, but after watching a midfield masterclass from him in all three games he's played this season, it's hard not to.

I'm not really adding much to this debate but him and mulumbu are immense!

I can only see him improving as he doesn't speak English yet. Also we heard all these stories about him crying because he wanted to break his contract with us. But, fair play, he's settled and looks class. He is a level above what we've had since Robson.

Happy days!
I think we aught to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one, you know what the press are like, they're all the same regardless of what country they belong to. It seems what the South American press about him changing his mind about coming here because of tax reasons were nonsense, so it's quite possible all that crying stuff was bull too. If he was really crying desperate not to come here then I think the club would have cancelled his contract before he was officially announced.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Moggas barmy army on September 02, 2012, 01:54:57 AM
This guy is a different gravy he reminds me of a little terrier just doesn't give up on anything, it must be a nightmare to play against him and Mulumbu in the centre of that midfield. Another great find by the scouting department.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: alex1 on September 02, 2012, 02:03:21 AM
Yacob keeps calm on the ball in a part of the pitch where you don't want someone panicking and giving the ball away. He seems to create time on the ball and passes it nearly always to an Albion player. Besides simple passes which are often the best, he has produced some  defence splitting passes. He seems to know when that kind of risky pass is warranted.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boingman on September 02, 2012, 08:45:43 AM
Claudio is immense with Mulumbu , awesome in the tackle . Can only recall 1 missed pass, and his late tackle down the Smethwick was magic . A few Argie flags might start appearing now   8)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on September 02, 2012, 12:36:59 PM
Agree with whats been said - very impressive. Yacob and Mulumbu in front of Olsson + McCauley makes us very strong in the middle areas.
Should benefit someone like Thorne being able to watch how he plays (think Thorne has similar strengths but obviously far less experienced).
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 02, 2012, 12:39:35 PM
Worth a few quid if his form continues.Wont be long before he his selected to play for his country again
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Nocky on September 02, 2012, 01:00:06 PM
Looks like the real deal after his first 3 games. What has impressed me most is his positional play and his discipline to sit in front of the back four whilst Mulumbu and Morrison roam. Some great interceptions and tackles yesterday and a fantastic pass completion rate. If he stays fit him and Mulumbu will be a match for most midfield pairings in the division.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: blackcountryblues on September 02, 2012, 01:08:24 PM
No doubt about it we will enjoy him for a season or two before the likes of City come in for him.
He is a masterclass of a midfielder what more would you want from a DM.
When we do sell we just go and find the next diamond but it will be sad he is such a good player he actually makes it look easy.

I'd be more worried about Mourinho signing him wherever he may be, he's like Essien and Makelele rolled into one.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dan on September 02, 2012, 01:23:20 PM
I think people are getting a little over excited. He's new here, he'll have some poor games, best not to over hype him too much otherwise the expectations of him will be unrealistic.

It's fine to be praising him but to be worried about Mourinho/Real Madrid stealing him after 3 games is a little absurd!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on September 02, 2012, 01:29:47 PM
I think people are getting a little over excited. He's new here, he'll have some poor games, best not to over hype him too much otherwise the expectations of him will be unrealistic.

It's fine to be praising him but to be worried about Mourinho/Real Madrid stealing him after 3 games is a little absurd!

Not sure I agree Dan. This guy is absolute class a massive step up in quality of player coming into the club to perform from the outset rather than our usual buy em cheap and develop them strategy.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dan on September 02, 2012, 01:33:18 PM
Not sure I agree Dan. This guy is absolute class a massive step up in quality of player coming into the club to perform from the outset rather than our usual buy em cheap and develop them strategy.

He certainly looks good but remember Zuiverloon after the first 6 or so games in 08/09?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on September 02, 2012, 01:43:42 PM
He certainly looks good but remember Zuiverloon after the first 6 or so games in 08/09?

See what your trying to say but if you look at the two players CVs prior to arriving at the Hawthorns there is no comparison. Zuiverloon was a young player with great potential who left as the same really. He just didnt come on like he should have. Jacob is a battle hardened senior pro who knows exactly what he his doing and what is expected of him. Very much like Paul Scharner when he arrived. With Jacob its the composure and simplicity with which he plays that is the tell tale sign of class at this level. Having said that I must applaud Yousef Mulumbu who has grown into a top draw footballer. He looks to me this season better than ever.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: albion59 on September 02, 2012, 07:22:17 PM
yacob is total class, his impact on the team as been fantastic i think we have a real star on our hands!!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Tipton Baggie on September 02, 2012, 07:26:09 PM
A credit to DA for finding this little gem. What clubs would pay for to have a bloke like this in the team.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KYA on September 02, 2012, 07:54:19 PM
He certainly looks good but remember Zuiverloon after the first 6 or so games in 08/09?

This bloke as pedigree he captained is side from the age of 18 which is very unusual and must show he as strength of character and he is how old 25?, he as seven years of playing top football under his belt.
I have no doubt he is the finished article and will only get better the more games he plays.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: AlbionBest on September 02, 2012, 08:00:59 PM
This bloke as pedigree he captained is side from the age of 18 which is very unusual and must show he as strength of character and he is how old 25?, he as seven years of playing top football under his belt.
I have no doubt he is the finished article and will only get better the more games he plays.

So impressed when I saw the guy give a virtually flawless perofrmance in the friendly at Forest.
I was raving about him during the following week but still added the proviso 'if he can do it in the Prem'.
However, in the first three games against real quality opposition, he's even surpassed my high expectations !
Early days yet but this gut COULD, just COULD, be one of the best midfielders in the division come the end of the season so then we will struggle to hold on to him so enjoy him while you can.
Additionally it has taken the shackles off Mulumbu who now looks back to his awesome best.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mat15(MH) on September 02, 2012, 08:11:31 PM
I'm desperately not trying to get too carried away, but so far he has been nothing short of superb. Exactly what we needed.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 02, 2012, 11:02:28 PM
Quite simply he will go on to be our best signing EVER...
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Londonbaggymike on September 03, 2012, 12:29:16 AM
Quite simply he will go on to be our best signing EVER...

I thought I was getting carried away with my excitement towards Claudio but you are like a Yacob to my Darren Carter- a totally different level!

Seriously though, to be our best ever signing would make him better than Cyrille, Laurie, Robson and Bomber and that's just in my time (admitedly Bomber was signed before I was born).

#Justsayin as they say on twitter!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: lippybaggie on September 03, 2012, 02:57:34 AM
Just ordered the Away Kit with his name... brilliant!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 03, 2012, 03:47:50 PM
3 top performances. As others have said he makes a difficult job look easy. It seems Mulumbu is relishing having him alongside too.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: phbaggies on September 03, 2012, 04:07:11 PM
He is one of those players where you will really notice how good he is when he is not playing. Absolute class so far, simple and effective.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: RacingClub on September 04, 2012, 09:48:39 AM
Hi guys, i came to update you with more info

remember when we talk about another jewels of my club? and i remark Centurion and Vietto ?

well , the first one is just outstanding class and the second one just make a hattrick in the last game! amazing and only 18 years old!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlBHL9vC-Dw


i hope we can contain these two young jewels and not let them go so fast, theyre young and if we develop him in the right way, they could be the next Argentinian top class players!!!


Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: geoff on September 04, 2012, 10:23:29 AM
Hi guys, i came to update you with more info

remember when we talk about another jewels of my club? and i remark Centurion and Vietto ?

well , the first one is just outstanding class and the second one just make a hattrick in the last game! amazing and only 18 years old!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlBHL9vC-Dw


i hope we can contain these two young jewels and not let them go so fast, theyre young and if we develop him in the right way, they could be the next Argentinian top class players!!!

Thanks for the link RacingClub the lad certainly has potential to go far he has lots going for him
1st goal right foot
2nd goal head
3rd goal left foot
A full house all but pace was on show in that clip,is he quick RacingClub 
   
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: johnny Cash on September 04, 2012, 10:45:22 AM
Thanks for the link RacingClub the lad certainly has potential to go far he has lots going for him
1st goal right foot
2nd goal head
3rd goal left foot
A full house all but pace was on show in that clip,is he quick RacingClub 
 

Can he get a work permit?  ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: saml30 on September 04, 2012, 01:59:45 PM
Claudio Yacob is calmness personified

50/52 completed passes v Liverpool

anyone know his stats from Saturday?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: phbaggies on September 04, 2012, 02:26:40 PM
Claudio Yacob is calmness personified

50/52 completed passes v Liverpool

anyone know his stats from Saturday?

88% Pass Accuracy Saturday according to whoscored.com 90% overall from the first 3 games.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie96 on September 04, 2012, 06:40:45 PM
88% Pass Accuracy Saturday according to whoscored.com 90% overall from the first 3 games.
I watched him the whole game, he gave the ball away once!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Pseudo_Intel on September 07, 2012, 11:16:07 AM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on September 22, 2012, 08:05:44 PM
I have to say this lad is an ABSOLUTE CLASS footballer. One of the very best we have signed recently. His ability on and off the ball is superb. But what I really like about him is his ability to read the game and get his positioning so right. He was really excellent again today and because he is so good it allows YM to do what he does best and get around the pitch. An absolutely brilliant find by DA and his team.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 22, 2012, 09:27:42 PM
Hi is.
Controls the DM area very well indeed.
The one thing that worries me is we had a deficiency in this area for so long under TM then we had 3 Mulumbu,Sharner,Andrews.
Now we have 2 Mulumbu and Yacob proven in that position.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on September 22, 2012, 10:55:42 PM
We are in a better postion in my view. Mulumbu and Yacob are genuine prem class CMs. Last year especially, Scharner was not prem class and Andrews not quite. We also have Morrison, Dorrans and Thorne who can play there if needs be.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boinging_along on September 22, 2012, 11:55:27 PM
I agree with Adder.  Mulumbu and Yacob would get into most of the teams in the Prem.  Having both is great as they complement each other.  Mulumbu has been back to normal this season because Yacob is there.  We don't lose our defensive strength but we now get to have Mulumbu get around the pitch more. 

Yacob was superb today, would like to see him get a goal.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 23, 2012, 12:46:05 PM
My main gripe about him and hopefully Clarke will work with him on it is the amount of cheap free kicks he gives away in and around the penalty area. Mulumbu is exactly the same, maybe it's down to how tenacious they are? But they really need to use their brain a bit more in those situations and just think about what they're doing. Apart from that, he's been excellent for us and hopefully will continue to do so.

I've mentioned it before but he is a class, or classes above both Scharner and Andrews. He's seem to be a moulded version of them both but better. Good in the air, covers the ground well, very good in the tackle (bar one yesterday & cheap free kicks) and also very calm and composed in possession of the ball.

He is still adapting to English football and again, that is even more encouraging. During the Di Matteo part of our premier league campaign, Mulumbu built a solid partnership with Scharner. Thankfully he has done exactly the same again with Claudio Yacob.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on October 09, 2012, 04:23:50 PM
I would like to issue a rallying call to all my fellow SMEs to really get behind Claudio in the same way we do for Mulumbu et al. I know there has been some support shown but this guy is doing a superb job for us and it would be really nice if he really heard us egging him on. This is not a criticism of my fellow supporters just a personal view that now is the time to bring him truly into the fold so to speak. Rant over....... :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 09, 2012, 04:46:29 PM
It's catching on Ruby, thankfully. Certainly by me.

Nice catchy tune so hopefully everyone will start catching on. Think it'll get a few more airings at away games before it's sang properly up here.

Semedo song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2m40ybPwTc&feature=related) It's basically the same as that for people who don't know the song.

Thought he had a very good performance on Saturday as well. Gave the ball away cheaply once or twice but weren't helped by how deep we were and the lack of options going forward.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 09, 2012, 05:37:06 PM
So far he has been a great signing, goes about his business quietly, hopefully those cheap free kicks that he and Mulumbu will become less regular.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on October 09, 2012, 07:46:37 PM
So far he has been a great signing, goes about his business quietly, hopefully those cheap free kicks that he and Mulumbu will become less regular.

Dont think they have been too bad to be honest. Think the role that they perform will always result in some cheap fouls purely because they are so competitive. Overall they have been a very impressive duo envied by a few other PL coaches I would guess.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 09, 2012, 09:00:18 PM
My main gripe about him and hopefully Clarke will work with him on it is the amount of cheap free kicks he gives away in and around the penalty area. Mulumbu is exactly the same, maybe it's down to how tenacious they are? But they really need to use their brain a bit more in those situations and just think about what they're doing. Apart from that, he's been excellent for us and hopefully will continue to do so.

I've mentioned it before but he is a class, or classes above both Scharner and Andrews. He's seem to be a moulded version of them both but better. Good in the air, covers the ground well, very good in the tackle (bar one yesterday & cheap free kicks) and also very calm and composed in possession of the ball.

He is still adapting to English football and again, that is even more encouraging. During the Di Matteo part of our premier league campaign, Mulumbu built a solid partnership with Scharner. Thankfully he has done exactly the same again with Claudio Yacob.
Dont think he has given any pens away ?
He is a great player and will become an Hawthorns hero.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 09, 2012, 09:06:52 PM
Dont think he has given any pens away ?
He is a great player and will become an Hawthorns hero.

It was more a figure of speech  :D

No is the answer to your question, but you understand what I'm trying to say
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: heycreative on October 09, 2012, 09:37:21 PM
I would like to issue a rallying call to all my fellow SMEs to really get behind Claudio in the same way we do for Mulumbu et al. I know there has been some support shown but this guy is doing a superb job for us and it would be really nice if he really heard us egging him on. This is not a criticism of my fellow supporters just a personal view that now is the time to bring him truly into the fold so to speak. Rant over....... :)
could say this about any player but would be nice for him to hear his name even chanted more often, even if he doesnt understand the song!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Quakes Fan on October 09, 2012, 10:21:24 PM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: chipperclark on October 10, 2012, 08:57:34 AM
 8) He is a fantastic"no fuss" player.You never notice him on the pitch (like a good ref).
He breaks up countless attacks,distributes the ball with precision...not afraid of a good tackle.
He goes in where it hurts...covers Mac and Jonas,superbly.
Lets Mulumbu do his flashy stuff in support of the attack.
He never argues with the ref....just gets on with it.
Not a "drama queen" like Suarez,Tevez or Balottela.
I think he is our own Bobby Moore or Beckenbauer.
Will be a regular for Argentina very soon.....enjoy while we can still keep him away from the top clubs,both here and Europe.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dexy on October 10, 2012, 09:32:42 AM
Very pleased with him so far but i prefer to judge over 15/20 games,does however look class so far.
Like all players there is area for improvement,for instance allowing Bent room to score at Villa and getting turned by Granero on Saturday.Im sure under Clarke this will improve.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on October 10, 2012, 04:53:06 PM
Very pleased with him so far but i prefer to judge over 15/20 games,does however look class so far.
Like all players there is area for improvement,for instance allowing Bent room to score at Villa and getting turned by Granero on Saturday.Im sure under Clarke this will improve.
Given the quality of attacking players in the prem, I think that's going to happen to anyone from time to time. Hope he's feeling settled as no doubt he's a good asset to have.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Quakes Fan on October 20, 2012, 01:04:49 AM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: GrGr on October 20, 2012, 01:35:59 AM
I enjoyed that read, cheers Quakes :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Quakes Fan on October 20, 2012, 01:42:22 AM
 :)   My pleasure! It's good to hear something from him. He sounds like a very solid professional who genuinely likes England.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on October 20, 2012, 06:31:35 AM
Seems to be a very grouded sort of person, hope he keeps putting the performances in.
Might be worth a cheeky punt on his brother as well  ;)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 20, 2012, 08:32:17 AM
Been very impressed with Yacob so far.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KingKoren on October 20, 2012, 12:16:30 PM
Sign his brother up.

The great thing about this is that if he flourishes and enjoys it here (which he certainly seems to be), it will only encourage other talented Argentinians, South Americans, to join - which is something I'd love too see. Look at all the French/Africans at Newcastle.

What a superb signing. Give him a contract for life, plus a year in the club's favour now.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on October 20, 2012, 07:50:22 PM
I have to say this lad is an absolute class footballer. One of the very best we have signed recently. His ability on and off the ball is superb. But what I really like about him is his ability to read the game and get his positioning so right. He was really excellent again today and because he is so good it allows YM to do what he does best and get around the pitch. An absolutely brilliant find by DA and his team.

Can I just requote myself........................................really excellent again today
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 20, 2012, 08:05:56 PM
Excellent again today, I wish Foster would get it out to him quickly in space as opposed to launching hit and hopes over Ridgewell's head.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 20, 2012, 08:28:21 PM
Thought he had another good game again today.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 20, 2012, 08:54:31 PM
Superb today again. In that trio with Mulumbu and Morrison, I can see us doing well this season.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Moggas barmy army on October 20, 2012, 09:00:15 PM
This guy is the real deal another superb bit of scouting from the backroom boys he wouldn't look out of place in United's team.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 22, 2012, 10:02:04 AM
Yacob, Mulumbu and Mozza, have all ben great so far this season, long may it continue.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 22, 2012, 07:52:16 PM
Yacob, Mulumbu and Mozza, have all ben great so far this season, long may it continue.
For petes sake, that was a good reid  :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 23, 2012, 02:22:58 PM
Does anybody know how many yellow cards he's picked up? I would hazard a guess it's 4 and he's nearing a suspension?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mat15(MH) on October 23, 2012, 02:35:37 PM
Does anybody know how many yellow cards he's picked up? I would hazard a guess it's 4 and he's nearing a suspension?

He's only got two.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 23, 2012, 02:45:56 PM
He's only got two.

Has he really?

I thought he'd picked up a couple more than that.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KingKoren on October 27, 2012, 11:29:18 PM
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on October 27, 2012, 11:52:16 PM
Oh I do hope that's not true.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 27, 2012, 11:56:47 PM
Oh I do hope that's not true.

I hope its not true either, but think of how much we could make for him.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WSBaggie on October 28, 2012, 12:54:10 AM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Barrington on October 28, 2012, 01:08:35 AM
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on October 28, 2012, 09:52:04 AM
I'd prefer to keep the player than take the money. Who are we going to get at short notice, for whatever they would realistically pay, who's going to fit in and do that job so well in every way alongside mulumbu?

I'm sure it's just red top nonsense, but even the thought of it annoys me. It's SO long since we've had a team like this. 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 28, 2012, 09:58:49 AM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Greenock Baggie on October 28, 2012, 10:00:30 AM
I'd prefer to keep the player than take the money. Who are we going to get at short notice, for whatever they would realistically pay, who's going to fit in and do that job so well in every way alongside mulumbu?

I'm sure it's just red top nonsense, but even the thought of it annoys me. It's SO long since we've had a team like this.
I'm with you 100% on this. Having seen the last great team we had broken up by sales and transfers, it would be criminal if JP and the board allowed the same thing to happen again.

I'm sure theres a saying somewhere about learning from history. Look at what happened after the 78/79 team broke up !!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on October 28, 2012, 10:04:32 AM
Imperative we keep him, to make it worse Mulumbu's off to ACN. Could be devastating if we loose him.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 28, 2012, 10:14:36 AM
Imperative we keep him, to make it worse Mulumbu's off to ACN. Could be devastating if we loose him.

Would hate it if he was to go, but Im pretty confident that he wont go.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 28, 2012, 10:22:52 AM
No need to see any of our players particularly our best ones.
So massive price tags on them and end of season if they are interested that is the time to talk.
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on October 28, 2012, 10:51:46 AM
Having seen the last great team we had broken up by sales and transfers, it would be criminal if JP and the board allowed the same thing to happen again.


Bang on. Not that this team is up there with that one. But we are back in the mix feeling like the top flight is our rightful place for the first time since then. Please don't let's throw that away for a few pieces of silver after thirty five years.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Greenock Baggie on October 28, 2012, 10:59:46 AM
Bang on. Not that this team is up there with that one. But we are back in the mix feeling like the top flight is our rightful place for the first time since then. Please don't let's throw that away for a few pieces of silver after thirty five years.
Exactly brummie, we dont want to be having a similar conversation in 35 years time about Yacob as you and I could have about a certain Len Cantello !
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Floydy on October 28, 2012, 11:18:43 AM
Similar story in the People today.

Can't see any truth in it, but he is the type of player they are crying out for.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KingKoren on October 28, 2012, 11:29:21 AM
Who cares?

Sell him for 20million, by his better brother as replacement. Sorted.  :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2012, 11:32:49 AM
When you think of the potential transfer fees bandied about for Tiote, I feel we'd want at least that, and if such an offer came in we all know it would be accepted immediately.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 28, 2012, 11:33:24 AM
Who cares?

Sell him for 20million, by his better brother as replacement. Sorted.  :D

Ha ha! That thought crossed my mind too.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KingKoren on October 28, 2012, 11:36:34 AM
When you think of the potential transfer fees bandied about for Tiote, I feel we'd want at least that, and if such an offer came in we all know it would be accepted immediately.

Yacob is ten times the player Tiote is. How much would Tiote go for?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KYA on October 28, 2012, 01:58:00 PM
Yacob is a quality player and it would be surprising if the top clubs were not keeping a close eye on his progress in the premeirship.
Every player as his price and he would obviously be interested if the top four came calling.
We may well sell him but i doubt it would be January if say Utd showed interest it would make more sense to wait until the summer find a replacement and then sell to to the highest bidder.
I would be gutted but i'm sure there are other gems out there and Peace would get top dollar and the Albion continue to improve.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Standaman on October 28, 2012, 08:31:52 PM
Scouting a player is a hundred miles away from making an offer, but the longer we stay in the top flight it is inevitable that at some point one of the bigger clubs will want one of out better players and it would be no surprise if it was Yacob. There is no way we would even contemplate selling him in January we have no need to he is on a long contract and the gap he would leave would be way too difficult to fill. The summer might be a different matter but the fee would we would be substantial.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 28, 2012, 09:29:59 PM
Disappointed that he missed out today but we didn't miss him that much actually. Mulumbu did the dirty work very well and Morrison was often dropping deep to receive possession in the role that Yacob does. Obviously it weakened our side with him missing but we didn't miss him as much as I thought we would which I guess is pleasing. Still very important that he recovers quickly from his injury.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on November 06, 2012, 08:35:06 PM
Very good again last night. His reliability and consistency game to game is second to none and Mulumbu looks twice the player when he sits just behind him. His ability to read the opposition and press in and close down space to stifle the opposition is top draw.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 06, 2012, 08:39:58 PM
He was excellent again last night, went about his business very quietly.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 06, 2012, 08:47:19 PM
He was excellent again last night, went about his business very quietly.

I thought he was a bit below his best yesterday, still good though.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 06, 2012, 09:03:04 PM
I thought he was a bit below his best yesterday, still good though.

I only saw one mistake all game. I guess he wasn't perfect, but he was awfully good.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 06, 2012, 09:07:30 PM
He makes football look easy. The composure he has is probably the best in this side and probably up there with the best of any I've seen from a West Bromwich Albion footballer. He has so many positives to his game it is quite impossible to see the flaws. He wins back the ball, and then uses it very efficiently but even if there isn't an option, he has the quality to hold onto the ball. Something we missed ever so much last season.

I'm actually jealous of him to be honest. I'd love to be able to play football like him. He'll have the pipe and slippers on if he carries on in this vein of form. Just out of interest, how long was the contract he signed?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Chipperfan on November 06, 2012, 09:15:09 PM
Last night was an absolutely top drawer performance. Claudio is assured, composed and exactly what we have needed for years. He is not an occasional good performer, the bloke is total quality, all game every game.

Brilliant.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on November 06, 2012, 09:25:56 PM
Last night was an absolutely top drawer performance. Claudio is assured, composed and exactly what we have needed for years. He is not an occasional good performer, the bloke is total quality, all game very game.

Brilliant.

Agreed Chipper but that Claudio Magic chant is a bit lame. Need something a lot more robust that he can clearly hear!!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 06, 2012, 09:27:58 PM
I also didnt think last night was one of his better games, I think he missed his mate alongside him.....Mulumbu as Mulumbu had a slightly different role last night, or so it seemed to me.

Not saying he was poor or played badly but he has played better for us !
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: GrGr on November 06, 2012, 11:28:32 PM
I also didnt think last night was one of his better games, I think he missed his mate alongside him.....Mulumbu as Mulumbu had a slightly different role last night, or so it seemed to me.

Not saying he was poor or played badly but he has played better for us !

Yeah, something was not working in our midfield last night so we ended up hoofing it too much from the back. Very strange to see our midfield so dodgy on the ball, especially in the first half (we did improve loads when Brunty came on and started to spread the ball about).

But Yacob is pure quality, I'm looking forward to when he starts to be a bit more creative with his passes too. :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wbargentina on November 28, 2012, 12:28:26 PM
Hi, I'm writing from Argentina. I'm delighted with WBA and Yacob performances. I'm journalist and I'm writing an article about your club, the fans and what do you think about Yacob. I have some questions for you!

1. What do you think of Yacob's performances so far this season?
2. What did you know about Yacob before WBA signed him?
3. Do you think he deserves to be considered to play for Argentina?
4. Would you rank him among the best players for WBA this season? If so...how highly?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mister AT on November 28, 2012, 12:52:23 PM
Welcome to the board mate

1.What do you think of Yacob's performances so far this season?

Think he's settled in superbly, and especially next to Mulumbu think they have formed a strong partnership. He breaks play up and keeps things simple.

2. What did you know about Yacob before WBA signed him?

Didnt really know much about him to be honest, but like most on this board we trust our scouting network and had faith to give him a chance to impress, which he has done!

3. Do you think he deserves to be considered to play for Argentina?

Argentinas squad is of a high standard, especially the midfield area, however I dont think he'd look at all out of place sitting in the defensive midfield role, he should defiantly be considered.

4. Would you rank him among the best players for WBA this season? If so...how highly?

In terms of his game time and experience in this country before and the possible language barrier, he has started superbly, and im sure theres a stat a few games back that he has the 3rd best passing rate in the premier league?

Hes a unsung hero for us and well see how much we miss him when hes not available for a game or two.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: maximus on November 28, 2012, 01:12:48 PM
1. What do you think of Yacob's performances so far this season?
 
    Very assured and settled in nicely considering it's a new country and league for him, formed a formidable partnership with mulumbu and he breaks play up which i feel is his best attribute

2. What did you know about Yacob before WBA signed him?

   Not alot to be honest and it's credit to our scouting network for spotting him.

3. Do you think he deserves to be considered to play for Argentina?

  Considered yes as his competing against some great players in a league considered the best in europe and his doing well so he should be considered

4. Would you rank him among the best players for WBA this season? If so...how highly?

  I would rate him highly considering it's all new to him so it's testament to his character that his been able to adapt so well.....i would put him as our 2nd best player this season so far just behind our striker long.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Jack Russell on November 28, 2012, 01:18:08 PM
Hi, I'm writing from Argentina. I'm delighted with WBA and Yacob performances. I'm journalist and I'm writing an article about your club, the fans and what do you think about Yacob. I have some questions for you!

1. What do you think of Yacob's performances so far this season?
2. What did you know about Yacob before WBA signed him?
3. Do you think he deserves to be considered to play for Argentina?
4. Would you rank him among the best players for WBA this season? If so...how highly?



Welcome friend
All i can say is what a footballer and what a find by our club.Never heard of him before he joined our club and yes if he continues to inpress he will be a regular for his country.My worry is the bigger clubs are watching him

Do we and Claudio get much air time in Argentina? 

South American Football corrispondant
Tim Vincent  didnt  rate him though
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on November 28, 2012, 02:44:54 PM
Hi, I'm writing from Argentina. I'm delighted with WBA and Yacob performances. I'm journalist and I'm writing an article about your club, the fans and what do you think about Yacob. I have some questions for you!

1. What do you think of Yacob's performances so far this season?
2. What did you know about Yacob before WBA signed him?
3. Do you think he deserves to be considered to play for Argentina?
4. Would you rank him among the best players for WBA this season? If so...how highly?
Welcome... I love his attitude - he seems so naturally competitive and there's no sign of him coasting in any spells of the game. Definitely become one of the most important names on the team sheet already. He just keeps it all ticking in an unflashy way. On his current form a definite front runner for player of the year.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: the rainbow turn east on November 28, 2012, 03:52:53 PM
He got on the ball alot more without Mulumbu against Sunderland and was really good and
only gave it away once all game. Wasnt to sure about him at first but he `s really starting to
grow on me, that block he made in our own pen area against Sunderland right at the end was truly awsome.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 28, 2012, 03:58:05 PM
Would love to se him score tonight, he is due a goal for us. Simply been one of the best signings of the summer in the Premiership.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: jonny on November 28, 2012, 04:06:24 PM
Yacob is a quality player and it would be surprising if the top clubs were not keeping a close eye on his progress in the premeirship.
Every player as his price and he would obviously be interested if the top four came calling.
We may well sell him but i doubt it would be January if say Utd showed interest it would make more sense to wait until the summer find a replacement and then sell to to the highest bidder.
I would be gutted but i'm sure there are other gems out there and Peace would get top dollar and the Albion continue to improve.

Thats us now!

He seems pretty happy here now considering there was all that malarkey with him not want to sign etc.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wba1993dave on November 28, 2012, 04:14:30 PM
He will eventually go because he is a very talented player, Man United are crying out for a Yacob. Sadly I think he will go within 2 years but will easily get 20 million for him, if garbage like Henderson is going for 20 million or Joe "I only pass sideways "Allan for 15 million then we will get a nice big price. Hopefully he stays with us forever but money talks.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggie-Mania on November 28, 2012, 05:07:16 PM
The last 5mins in that game against sunderland he was everywhere try and see how many tackles blocks etc he put in, not to mention he was in the counter attack in which Fortune scored the deciding goal, you can see him going down on his knees and clench his fists when it goes in :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: dantics_wba on November 29, 2012, 01:04:35 PM
The last 5mins in that game against sunderland he was everywhere try and see how many tackles blocks etc he put in, not to mention he was in the counter attack in which Fortune scored the deciding goal, you can see him going down on his knees and clench his fists when it goes in :)

I noticed this too, a proper exhausted sigh of relief for a job well done. Yacob is absolutely world class.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 29, 2012, 04:46:18 PM
Top class performer.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: RacingClub on December 08, 2012, 05:29:19 PM
Well im glad hes making a great 1st season with you guys! (congrats for your latest performances)

what a shame he loss the match against Arsenal!


But keep in this way , and you guys certainly would make a outstanding season :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: AlbionBest on December 08, 2012, 07:43:45 PM
Really missed him out there today - very disappointed when we got the team news outside the stadium pre match.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 08, 2012, 10:19:16 PM
Really missed him out there today - very disappointed when we got the team news outside the stadium pre match.

What is his injury by the way I didnt know he had an injury until 2.30 today.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on December 08, 2012, 10:32:32 PM
One yellow card away from a ban. I think they probably wanted to make sure he was available for the West Ham game next week.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 08, 2012, 11:02:20 PM
One yellow card away from a ban. I think they probably wanted to make sure he was available for the West Ham game next week.

I noticed he had four yellow cards, hope he will be fully fit for next week then.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: chipperclark on December 18, 2012, 12:10:02 AM
 :o I think Steve Clarke is playing down the value of Yacob.
Something to think about is we havent scored for 5 hours.
We have looked weaker going forward through mid-field.
The defensive covering of the back four has left them exposed eg Arsenal (where they were allowed to run at us).
Mulumbu has only been half the player without his mate.
Mozza has been playing deeper in midfield, to compensate, and this has affected our attacking options.
Hope he is back to the fold sooner rather than later.....we need him
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Shanewba90 on January 02, 2013, 02:04:17 AM
Spoke to him inside the ground at the end of game asked when he would be back and he said Reading
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on January 02, 2013, 06:18:51 AM
Spoke to him inside the ground at the end of game asked when he would be back and he said Reading

That can only be good news, lets hope so because we've really missed his presence.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dexy on January 02, 2013, 10:20:07 AM
Chris L said Yacob isn't far away so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: GrGr on January 02, 2013, 10:25:30 AM
Everything we do is built around the defensive box of:

          Yacob  X - - - X Mulumbu
                     '          '
                     '          '
         Olsson X - - - X McAuley


The rest of the players are pretty interchangeable when we have that box in place. Of course we would be even better if the rest of the team was better balanced but we already are a top 10 PL team with that box in place. Atm we have half the box missing and it really shows.
Title: What has happened to Yacob?
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on January 06, 2013, 12:42:13 PM
He seems like he's been injured for ages now (start of January I think). What was his actual injury because its starting to bug me now how every week Clarke just says along the lines of 'Yacob won't feature this week'. He's a crucial member of our team and the quicker he is back the better!! It's reminding me a bit of Morrisons injury when he got and infected foot and was out for months
Title: Re: What has happened to Yacob?
Post by: GrGr on January 06, 2013, 01:18:50 PM
He seems like he's been injured for ages now (start of January I think). What was his actual injury because its starting to bug me now how every week Clarke just says along the lines of 'Yacob won't feature this week'. He's a crucial member of our team and the quicker he is back the better!! It's reminding me a bit of Morrisons injury when he got and infected foot and was out for months

It's a problem with the hamstring. If it's a deep tear of the muscle he could easily be out for six weeks or more. Someone said he is due back for the Reading game, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: gazberg on January 06, 2013, 01:47:28 PM
Met him outside the ground after Fulham game and said he will definitely be back for Villa
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on January 06, 2013, 01:52:23 PM
I've heard we have been keeping him back a bit ready for when Mulumbu goes away to AFCON. To loose both players at the same time for any period of time would be a disaster.

Hopefully he comes back feeling fresh and ready to go again.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 06, 2013, 02:08:31 PM
I don't mind a player being injured, but the lack of clarification towards the fans from the club is what annoys me. Surely the club could have released a prognosis of when he could possibly be available on the website rather than leaving us out in the cold again.

I just hope he's back soon.
Title: Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on January 20, 2013, 11:50:31 AM
Any body heard anything about his injury yeaterday?
Title: Re: Yacob
Post by: overseas baggie on January 20, 2013, 11:54:35 AM
Looked like a collar bone or shoulder impact injury.  Hopefully not a break or dislocation but it didn't look good.
Title: Re: Yacob
Post by: gerry m on January 20, 2013, 11:56:07 AM
hope he is okay! a player we have missed badly.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 20, 2013, 12:56:05 PM
He played on for a while (I think?) so that would suggest he's not broken it as the pain would have told him straight away.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 20, 2013, 12:58:00 PM
He did look of the pace Yesterday, I really hope he will be back for the Everton game.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albionwarrior on January 20, 2013, 03:38:56 PM
A bit like when we lost Olsson a season or so back .... Both Yacob and Mulumbu are really being missed at the moment ..... but that's life .... it will get better
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Marcus on January 20, 2013, 03:55:09 PM
Hope it's nothing serious and he is back fit soon. Saying that he was so off the pace yesterday it was a bit of a blessing in disguise when he did go off.

Can't wait to see him back making it look easy, while Mulumbu drives forward and dictates the pace of the game. Those two really are at the heart of the Albion when we perform at our best
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Tipton Baggie on January 21, 2013, 02:24:08 PM
Stupidity bringing him straight back into a derby match after a long lay off, should of eased him in.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 21, 2013, 02:37:05 PM
I really cant wait to Yacob and Mulumbu back together, a major factor of our great start to the season.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albion79 on January 21, 2013, 02:38:49 PM
Apparently they are hoping the shoulder injury isnt serious, but they are waiting to see.

Its the exact reason i have been banging on about for ages, we cant rely on him and Mulumbu to come back and we start playing well again, if that happens then great i am sure we will but in the last 10-12 games i dont think they have played a game together, thats nearly 1/3 of a season so we cant rely on them being back and all being okay.

We have 10 days to get somebody who can come in and replace 1 of them, if this happened at start of February we can do nothing as the window is shut. We either need to get a replacement (and we have our scouting list so i am sure they know suitable players) or change formation. I wouldnt expect Clarke to go public about it but i would imagine he is looking for somebody in either Yacob or Mulumbu's role, if not then i would be slightly alarmed.

They are both too good to keep putting makeshift players in, the way we play that DM is a vital position and it needs a natural in there,  not players who can step in but not upto the standard. Thorne is showing a lot of potential and would have no reservations about him being involved all the time but we still need somebody else.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 21, 2013, 02:43:11 PM
I just hope we can find anther Keith Andrews type of player, in the next few days.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: lewisant on January 21, 2013, 02:54:12 PM
I just hope we can find anther Keith Andrews type of player, in the next few days.


Said the exact same to my cousin!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: PsalmXXIII on January 21, 2013, 02:54:29 PM
Stupidity bringing him straight back into a derby match after a long lay off, should of eased him in.

Well I'd agree if it was the same body part he'd injured, a shoulder injury can't be predicted or expected. We need him back in the team and if he's fit (and he'd said before the game that he'd be back for Villa), he wants to play and we want him to.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Esso #13 on January 21, 2013, 09:42:07 PM
We need to get him back fit and are desperate for at least one, preferably two CM's. Brunt looks pony in there at the moment, too slow and lightweight. Andrews style player and someone with some flair would be perfect.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 21, 2013, 10:17:15 PM
We need to get him back fit and are desperate for at least one, preferably two CM's. Brunt looks pony in there at the moment, too slow and lightweight. Andrews style player and someone with some flair would be perfect.

How about a move for Keith Andrews. ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Esso #13 on January 21, 2013, 10:18:41 PM
How about a move for Keith Andrews. ;D

The man's a genius!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 21, 2013, 10:26:23 PM
How about a move for Keith Andrews. ;D
"There's only 2 Brendan Rodgers " :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie53 on April 02, 2013, 08:08:20 PM
Here's a link to his first interview in English

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06tsIe6PiFw
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Chipperfan on April 03, 2013, 02:06:27 PM
Normally I wouldn't take much notice of interviews with players, Lukaku apart who always seems so thoughtful and intelligent, but I really enjoyed that piece with Claudio.

Since the first game I saw him play for Albion he has stood out for me as a key player for us and of a quality that we haven't had, with all due respect to other players, for many years. The bloke is absolute class and the interview just confirms that.

I know that any player will try to say all the right things (well, with one exception) but Claudio comes across as a really sound character to me. His English is excellent given he has been here less than a year, and he seems, as with Lukaku intelligent and thoughtful.

Brilliant player, brilliant interview.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: saml30 on April 04, 2013, 04:07:16 PM
he's come along way from being a big cry baby  :P
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Chipperfan on April 04, 2013, 06:43:28 PM
he's come along way from being a big dry baby  :P

True that. I remember not being impressed when I read that about him, but by God, he as been a revelation for us.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBASPE77 on April 04, 2013, 06:48:05 PM
I hadn't heard anything about him before he joined us has been one of the best signings of the summer.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: geoff on May 14, 2013, 08:37:31 AM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 14, 2013, 11:17:54 PM
He's been great this season and we've missed him when he hasn't been available, he proved to be very effective earlier on in the season and struck up a superb partnership with Mulumbu which was crucial to our early success. What has been noticeable over the last few weeks which I believe is down to the system we've used of having three in the middle of midfield is that he's looked very leggy and hasn't looked quite up to grips with the game, nor been as effective as he was earlier on this season. His lack of mobility will be noticeable but even more-so when he's required to do extra work in the middle. In my opinion for next season, we need to get back to playing to our strengths, creating the ideal balance and allowing Yacob and Mulumbu to re-ignite their current partnership which has proved to be a success this season.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 20, 2013, 05:42:35 PM
Overall he has had a great season shame that he got inured in January as he was a miss, only disappointment was that he didn't get a goal for us this season. I really hope that we can keep hold of him and that next season him and Mulumbu can continue there excellent performance.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albion07 on May 30, 2013, 10:51:04 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/30/sport/football/football-claudio-yacob-west-brom/index.html

Didn't copy and past the whole article due to its length but it outlines how we are alleged to have used unlicensed agents in the Yacob transfer and are 'embroiled in a transfer dispute with the FA'.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 30, 2013, 11:59:16 AM
I really don't know what to make of that article - It just seems all over the shop.

I'm sure we would have conducted our business thoroughly and in the appropriate manner. Could be ideal for the club to come out and re-buff the article.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 30, 2013, 12:06:06 PM
"As with all of our transfer dealings, the negotiation process regarding the signing of Claudio Yacob complied fully with all FIFA and FA rules and regulations," said West Brom in a statement to CNN.

"All negotiations were conducted and concluded directly with a FIFA-registered agent."


That is the only part of the article that stands out for me.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Aixelsyd on May 30, 2013, 01:35:03 PM
90% garbage

sounds just like a couple of grubby little agents trying to con a bit of cash...

The article is pretty crappy in the way it keeps says ...

"declined to answer on the record a number of specific questions asked by CNN"

as if they have any real right to know.... or are even an authority to do so



Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: lordbaggie on May 31, 2013, 10:22:29 AM
90% garbage

sounds just like a couple of grubby little agents trying to con a bit of cash...

The article is pretty crappy in the way it keeps says ...

"declined to answer on the record a number of specific questions asked by CNN"

as if they have any real right to know.... or are even an authority to do so

Perhaps they're hoping for an out of court settlement from JP...










I wonder what flavour they prefer - cheese and onion or salt and vinegar  ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Standaman on May 31, 2013, 12:53:21 PM
Unfortunately this sort of thing happens in the murky waters of South American football lots of "agents" with various claims regarding a players future. I take comfort in the fact that the people at the club are way too experienced to get involved with anything that would seriously damage the club. Claudio on the other hand might have a few problems with this issue.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boing_boing68 on June 01, 2013, 10:20:15 AM
So we are in a dispute with the FA who have Dan Ashworth and he would have helped sign Yacob? I'm sure we will be fine
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: AlbionBest on June 01, 2013, 02:02:10 PM
So we are in a dispute with the FA who have Dan Ashworth and he would have helped sign Yacob? I'm sure we will be fine

Maybe Ashworth has a split personality !!!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2013, 02:38:17 PM
According to OPTA stats on SKY Sports Yacob has the most tackles in the Premier League just ahead of Lucas Leiva of Liverpool
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 30, 2013, 03:16:47 PM
Fantastic player. Has off days, but who doesn't. Lucky to have him.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 30, 2013, 03:35:50 PM
I thought he wasn't quite performing to the standard he set last season but then I saw his stats the other week and it turns out he is actually performing better statistically this season than last. Top player we are lucky to have and yet another one that was free.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 30, 2013, 03:41:33 PM
I thought he wasn't quite performing to the standard he set last season but then I saw his stats the other week and it turns out he is actually performing better statistically this season than last. Top player we are lucky to have and yet another one that was free.

Defensive minded midfielders are weird player's to analyse. They can look like they are having a terrible time but sometimes their stats hold up.

With DM's you sort of have to take a lot more notice to statistics as they do so much unrecognised and understated work.

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: karlos83 on December 30, 2013, 04:12:41 PM
I am a huge fan of his and I'm glad these stats have been released as it proves what real football fans know...he's a good player and a huge part of our spine.

Recently I've heard a lot of unrest towards him from our 'premier league fans' probably because he's not beating 8 men and sticking it in the top corner week in, week out.

Claudio Yacob is a fine player.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tommcneill on December 30, 2013, 04:17:15 PM
Yacob is a top top player for me, seems to be in the right place at the right time
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: karlos83 on December 30, 2013, 04:24:13 PM
Reads the game and keeps it simple. Ooozes class
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: graka on December 30, 2013, 04:47:14 PM
I don't rate him personally.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: hunsletbaggie on December 30, 2013, 04:55:49 PM
Better than Mulumbu at the moment for me was quality at Spurs.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Chipperfan on December 30, 2013, 05:03:22 PM
His name would be first on the team sheet for me (along with Foster). He is clearly the best defensive midfielder we have. He protects the back four, anchors the midfield and frees Mulumbu to go box to box.

The man is a giant for us and quite possibly our most effective midfield player since the early 1980s.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: karlos83 on December 30, 2013, 05:25:17 PM
His name would be first on the team sheet for me (along with Foster). He is clearly the best defensive midfielder we have. He protects the back four, anchors the midfield and frees Mulumbu to go box to box.

The man is a giant for us and quite possibly our most effective midfield player since the early 1980s.

one hundred per cent agree, when we drop a 'defensive midfielder' in some games, I'm always annoyed that we drop our best defensive midfielder!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wardy65 on December 30, 2013, 06:39:15 PM
Rate Yacob! Be one of the first names on the team sheet for me & always fear for us when he's injured or suspended. Morrison is NOT an adequate replacement for him as he's more of a roaming midfielder. Yacob's very disciplined in his positioning ... Great signing!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: liam-zuiverloon on December 30, 2013, 08:34:05 PM
According to OPTA stats on SKY Sports Yacob has the most tackles in the Premier League just ahead of Lucas Leiva of Liverpool
And also think he is a Brazilian!
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on January 11, 2015, 11:28:15 AM
At last we have a manager who can see how good he is ;)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on January 11, 2015, 11:31:10 AM
Was my MOTM yesterday, looked like the old Yacob.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albionic on January 11, 2015, 03:36:44 PM
I thought he was going to get a red card yesterday !
Fair play, he realised it and kept his head well !
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: smethwickw on January 11, 2015, 03:41:15 PM
At last we have a manager who can see how good he is ;)

Only a clown like Irvine could overlook someone of Yacob's worth and ability to the side. Delighted to see him back yesterday.  He looked his old self too.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 11, 2015, 04:27:55 PM
And he likes Faggots and Peas!! 8)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: spencer Baggie on January 11, 2015, 04:29:32 PM
Did his job of nitty gritty fouls, tackles etc to break up opposition play. Exactly what we needed.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 11, 2015, 04:35:24 PM
Did his job of nitty gritty fouls, tackles etc to break up opposition play. Exactly what we needed.
Exactly what it says on the tin! Him and Malumbu used to be the "bees knees" Screening the defense.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 11, 2015, 05:22:05 PM
Criminally under-used by Alan Irvine.

Hopefully he has got over those injury problems he had last season. I expect him to feature regularly under Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Chipperfan on January 11, 2015, 07:47:34 PM
Claudio is absolutely pivotal for us, a superb player who has been appallingly under appreciated by our last two Coaches. Hopefully with Pulis working on our defensive shape he will play a major role.

For me, as I've said before, he would be an automatic pick.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: timdon on January 11, 2015, 07:59:13 PM
Good article about Claudio on the ITV website - key player for the rest of the season

http://www.itv.com/sport/football/article/2015-01-11/claudio-yacob-can-be-the-key-man-for-tony-pulis-and-west-brom/?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Slimbo on January 12, 2015, 11:58:04 AM
Good article about Claudio on the ITV website - key player for the rest of the season

http://www.itv.com/sport/football/article/2015-01-11/claudio-yacob-can-be-the-key-man-for-tony-pulis-and-west-brom/?

Good read - let's hope Claudio is back
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: skyclad99 on January 12, 2015, 12:10:10 PM
Claudio is absolutely pivotal for us, a superb player who has been appallingly under appreciated by our last two Coaches. Hopefully with Pulis working on our defensive shape he will play a major role.

For me, as I've said before, he would be an automatic pick.

Fully agree. He is a class act who goes very quietly about his business. From a defensive perspective, very much a Pulis type player..... [if such a thing ever exists!]
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 12, 2015, 12:22:11 PM
Good article about Claudio on the ITV website - key player for the rest of the season

http://www.itv.com/sport/football/article/2015-01-11/claudio-yacob-can-be-the-key-man-for-tony-pulis-and-west-brom/?

I'll be very happy if Yacob gets a decent run for the rest of the season but some of that article is poor journalism

recent losses to QPR and Stoke, in particular, were characterised by a lack of discipline. Little protection for the back four, too many men committed.That was an unwelcome reputation Albion gained in the days before Roy Hodgson. In the days after him, Pulis can turn to Yacob to breathe life back into Hodgson's dying legacy.

How could CY inclusion against QPR have prevented the penalty or the poor defending from the two set pieces?, he arguably may have blocked the two deflected goals at Stoke but there's no way of knowing that for sure.

There are other parts in the article that I don't agree with but thats just my opinion.

Not impressed with the piece, either written by Yacob's agent or the YTS trainee. 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: macc_baggie on January 12, 2015, 12:42:30 PM
The article is actually a rehash of a blog posted by the same author following our 2-0 win over Liverpool at anfield under Clarke.

https://danhewitt.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/homage-to-claudio/ (https://danhewitt.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/homage-to-claudio/)

I do however, wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment. I've always rated yacob when i've seen him, and hope he gets an extended run in the side.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie96 on January 19, 2015, 10:42:17 PM
Ridiculously good tonight. Back to him best!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: spencer Baggie on January 19, 2015, 10:45:57 PM
Did the ugly job of breaking up opposition play with great success tonight.

Do think he might need to be replaced in games where we need to be more expansive in our play.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie82 on January 19, 2015, 10:46:14 PM
Anyone feeling sorry for Alan Irvine needs to no further than his idiotic decision to drop Yacob and Mulumbu. Yacob was brilliant tonight. Heart, soul and class rolled into one.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on January 19, 2015, 10:51:21 PM
Anyone feeling sorry for Alan Irvine needs to no further than his idiotic decision to drop Yacob and Mulumbu. Yacob was brilliant tonight. Heart, soul and class rolled into one.
Irvine wanted more passing and possession in the team so chose to leave them out. Yacob was outstanding tonight but a big part of that was that we didn't keep the ball at any point.....there's a balance needed....which hopefully Pulis will address.....
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: sconesy on January 19, 2015, 10:54:09 PM
Anyone feeling sorry for Alan Irvine needs to no further than his idiotic decision to drop Yacob and Mulumbu. Yacob was brilliant tonight. Heart, soul and class rolled into one.

I don't feel sorry for Irvine - he did what he thought was right.....which was wrong! Completely agree about Yacob, that was the kind of performance that makes you proud.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BAGGIE5 on January 19, 2015, 11:08:43 PM
Take a bow son. Amazing peformance.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: swad35 on January 19, 2015, 11:15:32 PM
The heart and soul of our team.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBArgo on January 19, 2015, 11:34:01 PM
Crime of the century that Irvine didn't ever play him, he's always been class for us even on and off-day.

Ran the show in the middle today defensively, was a class above.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 19, 2015, 11:34:36 PM
Señor Yacob....Muy bien. :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: caravanc58 on January 19, 2015, 11:41:24 PM
Irvine wanted more passing and possession in the team so chose to leave them out. Yacob was outstanding tonight but a big part of that was that we didn't keep the ball at any point.....there's a balance needed....which hopefully Pulis will address.....
good post, I would like to know what the longest amount of time we kept possession tonight, if we did 1 minute I would be shocked as our ball retention was very poor.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rubyruby on January 19, 2015, 11:48:15 PM
 Hard to understand why he has been so overlooked recently. Give him that job to do..what we bought him for in the first place and there aren't many too much better in the league. Had he a bit more pace then he would be absolute top drawer.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: overseas baggie on January 20, 2015, 12:55:21 AM
He was outstanding, but his nonsense with Naismith in the second half risked undoing all the good work as he looked like he was going to get sent off.

Certainly makes a nonsense of Irvine's selections.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 20, 2015, 01:53:45 AM
Señor Yacob....Muy bien. :D

La bestia ha vuelta!

He was back to his best tonight. Still think if Mulumbu comes in there alongside him Yacob will look even better
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wba606 on January 20, 2015, 01:57:48 AM
if Irvine played mulumbu and yacob more he would still have a job today
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: socalbaggie on January 20, 2015, 06:02:06 AM
For me a typical top notch Yacob performance! I dont recall a whole lot of games he's started in where afterwards I thought "wow, Yacob was pretty poor". I'm thrilled to see him back on the pitch and long may it continue doing.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: SmethDan on January 20, 2015, 08:00:37 AM
Well done Claudio.
Cracking defensive midfield display.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BAGGIE5 on January 20, 2015, 08:09:48 AM
Thats the best ive seen him play. Cant drop players playing like that.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tommi on January 20, 2015, 08:18:31 AM
Absolute rock.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mister AT on January 20, 2015, 08:25:44 AM
The good thing about Yacob is he does the simple things well.

Sits there, guards the back four, breaks up play, plays the simple pass and has a cool head on the ball.

He made a lovely tackle in the first half when Everton looked to break on us.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Sessegod on January 20, 2015, 08:47:53 AM
if Irvine played mulumbu and yacob more he would still have a job today

I don't think mulumbu and yacob in the same team would work, similar players, maybe against city, arsenal to shut up shop.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mister AT on January 20, 2015, 08:53:29 AM
I don't think mulumbu and yacob in the same team would work, similar players, maybe against city, arsenal to shut up shop.

I think his naivity to play neither of them didnt help though.

Yacob offers something all our other midfielders dont, played Yacob last 2 games, 2 clean sheets and solid defence.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Morany on January 20, 2015, 08:54:29 AM
One of the best screening roles you'll see all season. Yacob was superb last night
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Chipperfan on January 20, 2015, 09:04:26 AM
Claudio last night was back to his very best. A most impressive performance and I for one am extremely pleased that Pulis recognises what a pivotal role he plays for us.

The only fly in the ointment was getting involved  with Naismith who somehow managed to wind him up, but that apart he was just tremendous.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: QRHcooper on January 20, 2015, 09:53:39 AM
Enjoyed his passion and desire to get involved lastnight! One smashing tackle on Luke sticks in the mind :) although i was a little worried about his carry ons in the box :/
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mister AT on January 20, 2015, 09:57:16 AM
Enjoyed his passion and desire to get involved lastnight! One smashing tackle on Luke sticks in the mind :) although i was a little worried about his carry ons in the box :/

I did worry abit when after the ref had a word with them both and then they continued to grab each other, just thought the ref might give another penalty.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 20, 2015, 10:21:21 AM
I don't think mulumbu and yacob in the same team would work, similar players, maybe against city, arsenal to shut up shop.

We finished 8th when they played together. It does work.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BAGGIE5 on January 20, 2015, 10:39:49 AM
Have to mention baird aswel.. Came in for alot of criticism, but tries hard in that role.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2015, 10:41:34 AM
Have to mention baird aswel.. Came in for alot of criticism, but tries hard in that role.


Hes supprised me, hes playing well
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 20, 2015, 10:58:12 AM
Yacob is an absolute class act, I still think he has the ability and guile to play for a big club.

I asked the question a few weeks ago but does anyone know his contractual status?  I believe he signed a three year contract when he originally signed and I cant recall improved terms being offered, which would mean he is out of contract at the end of this current season? Or do we have an option?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: GrGr on January 20, 2015, 05:51:48 PM
We finished 8th when they played together. It does work.

Doh! It works when we have quality wingers. It doesn't work when Mulumbu stinks the place up either. I've been saying for a long time that I prefer only to play Yacob screening the back four.

Good to see Yacob back to his best. Yacob is a cracking little player but he needs to stay fit, too often we have played him when he was less than 100% and a step behind the play as he isn't the quickest to start with. But he is easily and by some distance the best (and only) player we have that can protect the space in front of the back four. 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BaggiesFacts on January 20, 2015, 07:02:01 PM
Yacob is an absolute class act, I still think he has the ability and guile to play for a big club.

I asked the question a few weeks ago but does anyone know his contractual status?  I believe he signed a three year contract when he originally signed and I cant recall improved terms being offered, which would mean he is out of contract at the end of this current season? Or do we have an option?

Believe Albion have a years option on him which they'd be daft not to take up!

Some of his tackles yesterday were timed to split second perfection. I'm sure our new gaffer will be picking him every week from here on in.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on February 15, 2015, 02:43:00 PM
I hope Pulis has a word with Claudio. He's no stranger to yellow cards as it is but yesterday he did one of the 2 footed jump-in tackles that he got sent off for against Chelsea. He's going to let us down again in a big game if he keeps this up.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 15, 2015, 06:00:47 PM
I hope Pulis has a word with Claudio. He's no stranger to yellow cards as it is but yesterday he did one of the 2 footed jump-in tackles that he got sent off for against Chelsea. He's going to let us down again in a big game if he keeps this up.
Indeed. I always feel that a reckless challenge from him is never far away.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie53 on February 15, 2015, 06:06:35 PM
Indeed. I always feel that a reckless challenge from him is never far away.
A lot of South American players don't seem to think there's anything wrong with two footed tackles

Doesn't make it right - just an observation
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggies54 on February 15, 2015, 07:05:38 PM
I think his jump tackles are controled, he didn't deserve to be sent off versus Chelsea he played the ball on both occasions and he was vertical, it's not like he is horizontal going in like a cruise missile with absolutely no control at all.  Carry on Claudio knock 'em bandy.  Just don't do it against the top four or five clubs as ref's favour them unfortunately.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: AlbionBest on February 15, 2015, 07:20:00 PM
I can see why it was reckless but no real intent and maybe a yellow at most.
However, in the second half Song went in flying studs up on one of ours near the Halfords yet escaped scot free ?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wardy65 on February 15, 2015, 07:37:31 PM
Love Yacob & would have in my team all day long, but now this has been highlighted on TV with ex players saying they think it's a red, he really has got to watch himself because ref's are onto him.
I'd hate to be playing somebody like Villa in the next round of the cup & go down to ten men. I'm sure TP will be reigning him in a touch.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on February 15, 2015, 08:16:31 PM
I think his jump tackles are controled, he didn't deserve to be sent off versus Chelsea he played the ball on both occasions and he was vertical, it's not like he is horizontal going in like a cruise missile with absolutely no control at all.  Carry on Claudio knock 'em bandy.  Just don't do it against the top four or five clubs as ref's favour them unfortunately.
That's the issue - he can't control where he lands when he takes off like that. Plus it automatically looks really bad if there is an opponent anywhere near...expect another sending off very soon if he carries on.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggies54 on February 16, 2015, 02:32:37 PM
That's the issue - he can't control where he lands when he takes off like that. Plus it automatically looks really bad if there is an opponent anywhere near...expect another sending off very soon if he carries on.

The point I made was that he was vertical and CAN control where he puts his feet, hence he played the ball on both occasions, not as I also stated NOT horizontal and in mid air where even if his feet don't clatter the opponent his body will crash into the legs with a chance of possible breakages.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggiejohn on February 16, 2015, 02:44:09 PM
The point I made was that he was vertical and CAN control where he puts his feet, hence he played the ball on both occasions, not as I also stated NOT horizontal and in mid air where even if his feet don't clatter the opponent his body will crash into the legs with a chance of possible breakages.

There's some merit in your argument, the problem is, the majority of rules these days have the caveat"in the opinion of the referee". It could be interpreted as a stamp, CY does need reining in.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: 17GD on February 16, 2015, 03:03:30 PM
If the player Yacob tackled had slid in, then it could have impacted on the player's leg and CY probably would have seen red. He won the ball, but the fact is, there is an 'if', so the ref could have given a red card for recklessness.

After all, penalties are often given for recklessness rather than intent, as most of the time the tackling player is just a split second late. That's all it takes for a leg breaker.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Astle1968 on February 16, 2015, 03:11:36 PM
Could of had no complaints if he did get a red on Saturday.

I'm a fan of Yacob but I'm not sure about him in a 2 man midfield. Fletcher can do a lot of the dirty work and Yacob just doesn't offer enough with the ball. One of the first names if we are playing 433 or 4231 but in a 442 you need more than someone who just stops the opposition
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Morany on February 16, 2015, 03:21:43 PM
I'd agree with Astle1968 there. No complaints from me if he gets a red there.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: SirTonyM on February 16, 2015, 04:20:21 PM
Was a dangerous challenge but west ham player just played on. The frustrating thing for me was on MOTD they highlighted Yacob and yet Almafitano gets a red and his tackle on brunt was a shocker and no post match mention.
As for Yacob with the ball, he doesn't do creative stuff but his ball retention is quality and he gives it to other players who can play. I think he's vital at the moment and way more disciplined than Mulumbu (who I rate).
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggies54 on February 16, 2015, 04:29:59 PM
If the player Yacob tackled had slid in, then it could have impacted on the player's leg and CY probably would have seen red. He won the ball, but the fact is, there is an 'if', so the ref could have given a red card for recklessness.

After all, penalties are often given for recklessness rather than intent, as most of the time the tackling player is just a split second late. That's all it takes for a leg breaker.

If the opposing player had slid in then it would have been a free kick to us as Yacob had taken the ball, if the opposing player had taken the ball before Yacob then there is a chance to ground his feet to protect himself from damage, he doesn't have to stamp on anyones legs.  I can't see that vertical challenge as a possible 'leg breaker', he wasn't that high and his feet were pointing down to take the ball not studs up.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Chipperfan on February 16, 2015, 04:34:18 PM
Was a dangerous challenge but west ham player just played on. The frustrating thing for me was on MOTD they highlighted Yacob and yet Almafitano gets a red and his tackle on brunt was a shocker and no post match mention.
As for Yacob with the ball, he doesn't do creative stuff but his ball retention is quality and he gives it to other players who can play. I think he's vital at the moment and way more disciplined than Mulumbu (who I rate).

I was really disappointed with Jason Roberts comments on MOTD. For my money he was being immensely inflammatory, and unnecessarily so given he said nothing about Amalfitano's challenge on Brunt.

Claudio does need to reign in that aspect of his game but "he almost burst the ball" Jason? Really? Get over yourself man.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: fatboy_coach on February 16, 2015, 06:12:53 PM
The one thing I caught from the endless MOTD replays was the look on Gardners face as he looked towards the ref after Yacobs tackle. Clearly there was an 'oh bu**er" moment going through his head!

As others have said the concern may be a ref in the future has an eye on Yacobs tackling as he's starting to get 'form' thanks to the media....
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albionic on February 16, 2015, 06:19:54 PM
got to agree, he could end up like Cattermole / Barton who it seems that refs are looking to card at any opportunity. God forbid anyone gets hurt in a Yacob tackle, the press would have a field day, and we need him on the pitch. All that said it will be hard to reduce his "enthusiasm" without diminishing his game.....
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 16, 2015, 06:23:07 PM
We're talking as if the bloke has received ten red cards during his time with us. He's only had one hasn't he?

I can't actual remember the tackle we're discussing in this thread. Does anyone have any footage?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: miggybaggy on February 16, 2015, 06:23:49 PM
He does need to be careful, but I'm confident he'll have received an almighty rollocking off TP.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on February 16, 2015, 06:30:37 PM
We're talking as if the bloke has received ten red cards during his time with us. He's only had one hasn't he?

I can't actual remember the tackle we're discussing in this thread. Does anyone have any footage?
They showed it on MOTD which should be on the iplayer I think. Just very similar to the Chelsea one and the type of challenge you don't see too often in the prem. Not horrendously dangerous on Saturday but just asking for trouble in my book.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: fatboy_coach on February 16, 2015, 06:39:45 PM
As Adder said, it's not horrendous but the intent is bad and the media are all over it which may cause issues for CY in future games.

It's a reputation he could do without, I always remember Robinson getting sent off against ManU when he and Park slid for a 50/50 and the ref couldn't get the card out quick enough. Low and behold it was turned over in record time (45 seconds I seem to remember the media reporting) on the Monday but we'd lost by then.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: stanthesetter on February 16, 2015, 07:19:26 PM
think yacob is usually good at staying on his feet when he challenges so at worst its yellow card for persistent fouls,
but, he can't be doing this as he's on the refs radar now.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggies54 on February 16, 2015, 07:21:57 PM
 fatboy_coach
As Adder said, it's not horrendous but the intent is bad and the media are all over it which may cause issues for CY in future games.

Fatboy_coach are you saying his intention is to hurt the player...for god sake man his intention was to get the ball which he did, you are as bad as Roberts making it out to be something that it clearly wasn't.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: fatboy_coach on February 16, 2015, 07:40:23 PM

Fatboy_coach are you saying his intention is to hurt the player...for god sake man his intention was to get the ball which he did, you are as bad as Roberts making it out to be something that it clearly wasn't.

No sorry, bad phrasing on my part. OK, I'll rephrase that as the technique is bad. Leaving the ground with 2 feet up, whether horizontal or vertical, is only going to divide supporters/media etc
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggies54 on February 16, 2015, 09:48:27 PM
No sorry, bad phrasing on my part. OK, I'll rephrase that as the technique is bad. Leaving the ground with 2 feet up, whether horizontal or vertical, is only going to divide supporters/media etc

Accepted and agreed...we're playing too well to fall out over something like if but's and maybe's.....next job = SOTV... twice in five days...Boing Boing!!!
Title: Claudio Yacob
Post by: overseas baggie on March 07, 2015, 09:05:54 PM
I'm a big Yacob fan, but although his 2nd booking was harsh tonight, he really doesn't help himself with his two-footed jumps into tackles.  He's getting a reputation for it and refs are looking for it.   Tonight he didn't really make contact and Lawrenson I think called it right, but when you look at the replay he definitely starts to make a two-footed jump.

He is always at high risk of a sending off because of the role he plays, but he can reduce those risks by eradicating the two-footed jump.

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on March 07, 2015, 10:14:05 PM
I agree - he was unlucky on this occasion but if the ref doesn't see the detail of the tackle and just sees Yacob and that 2 footed jump it's just asking for trouble. Just has to get that out of his game given the way the modern game is.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 07, 2015, 10:17:09 PM
I'm willing to go out on a limb without seeing a replay that it was an appalling decision, Yacob didn't touch the player and the referee hadn't given a free kick until he saw Sherwood's reaction. We didn't look like scoring anyway but Yacob and Albion were cheated in this instance.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on March 07, 2015, 10:41:37 PM
Yacob is useless in a 442, he doesn't really offer a lot except for petulant fouls. He's ok in a 451 but I think he's average.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dudleylad on March 07, 2015, 10:47:45 PM
I agree - he was unlucky on this occasion but if the ref doesn't see the detail of the tackle and just sees Yacob and that 2 footed jump it's just asking for trouble. Just has to get that out of his game given the way the modern game is.

He didnt sodding jump!  The referee played on and then crapped himself when he saw Sherwood who is now acting like the good guy.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: overseas baggie on March 07, 2015, 11:58:43 PM
He didnt sodding jump!  The referee played on and then crapped himself when he saw Sherwood who is now acting like the good guy.

He didn't actually jump but he shaped up to jump, and its his reputation for doing it that got him booked for the 2nd time.  Unlucky today, but he's created that reputation all by himself.  Its not going to do anything other than get him into trouble.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 08, 2015, 12:05:22 AM
He didn't actually jump but he shaped up to jump, and its his reputation for doing it that got him booked for the 2nd time.  Unlucky today, but he's created that reputation all by himself.  Its not going to do anything other than get him into trouble.

That is called a block tackle. Disgraceful decision. Hopefully this and the Hutton one is Vile's luck used up for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dudleylad on March 08, 2015, 12:20:04 AM
He didn't actually jump but he shaped up to jump, and its his reputation for doing it that got him booked for the 2nd time.  Unlucky today, but he's created that reputation all by himself.  Its not going to do anything other than get him into trouble.

When was shaping to jump an offence?

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Legend on March 08, 2015, 12:33:05 AM
It was a ridiculous decision by the referee but he seems to get wound up rather easily. Morrison tried to calm him down in the first half and he pushed him away. We probably missed the calming influence of Fletcher whereas the referee had to tell Brunt to calm him down.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 08, 2015, 12:36:25 AM
It was a ridiculous decision by the referee but he seems to get wound up rather easily. Morrison tried to calm him down in the first half and he pushed him away. We probably missed the calming influence of Fletcher whereas the referee had to tell Brunt to calm him down.

I'm in a minority I think but I thought Morrison was out of order in this incident. In any game teammates should stick together publicly, but this is especially true in a game against your rivals. Pushing Yacob was bang out of order.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: overseas baggie on March 08, 2015, 01:06:00 AM
When was shaping to jump an offence?

It isn't, but a two-footed jumping tackle is, and its hard for a ref to distinguish between the two.

Other players don't seem to do it.  Yacob does and its only going to count against him.
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Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 08, 2015, 08:31:00 AM
I'm in a minority I think but I thought Morrison was out of order in this incident. In any game teammates should stick together publicly, but this is especially true in a game against your rivals. Pushing Yacob was bang out of order.
Yes,saw him mouthing expletives to Saido after another one of morrisons poor passes,what I don't get is how sess can possible not be rated better than mozza or Gardner or brunt when the biggest thing the two strikers need is real service,again all the fuss about them not being fit ,then they are but we give them nothing !!!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 08, 2015, 11:33:28 AM
It isn't, but a two-footed jumping tackle is, and its hard for a ref to distinguish between the two.

Other players don't seem to do it.  Yacob does and its only going to count against him.
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He didn't jump in and the referee was in a poor position to see it as Bacuna was obscurring his view. The linesman didn't react and his view was clear. Poor referee who made a decision on a players reputation.

If Yacob has gone into that tackle in a ny other way he would have come out of injured.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 08, 2015, 12:01:02 PM
Anyone know if Club is going to appeal the card as he did not touch the player from what I saw?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 08, 2015, 12:03:51 PM
Anyone know if Club is going to appeal the card as he did not touch the player from what I saw?

Can't appeal as it was two yellow cards not a straight red
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 08, 2015, 12:04:48 PM
Can't appeal as it was two yellow cards not a straight red
I see cheers for that.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 08, 2015, 01:18:09 PM
It looked a poor decision from where we were at the time.

The more infuriating part was that the referee seemed to play on for five seconds before blowing his whistle.

He is another though who is not good enough to play in a 442. He's great at protecting his back four but if you shove him into a 2 man midfield then he becomes horribly exposed.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: valleybaggie on March 08, 2015, 05:38:11 PM
absolute joke of a sending off all he did was a block tackle didn't even go over the top. the player sliding in was asking to get hurt no chance of winning the challenge
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on March 08, 2015, 05:42:15 PM
absolute joke of a sending off all he did was a block tackle didn't even go over the top. the player sliding in was asking to get hurt no chance of winning the challenge
if you watch the ref played on briefly & Yacob had another couple of touches of the ball! It wasnt as if the ref ran straight over to stop the game & issue the card - obviously influenced by the rolling about of the player & whinging Sherwood! Shocking decision with no right to appeal!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Chipperfan on March 08, 2015, 05:46:20 PM
I can't have the criticism of Yac. He was easily our best performer yesterday and did not in any universe deserve to be sent off.

It was a sickening moment in in a sickening game. I am so tired of referees reacting to ridiculous behaviour by "injured" players and petulant over hyped managers.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: SmethDan on March 08, 2015, 06:36:30 PM
The ref' would not have actually seen contact even if there were any, he was behind the Villa player who went to ground.
The linesman on the other hand appeared to have a clear view and did not raise his flag.
No ball's for not speaking up, and no smarts from the ref' for not even consulting his 'assistant'.
However, this probably would not even be relevant if we had converted our chances.
What a s**t day all round.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: kris_boing on March 09, 2015, 07:23:04 AM
He's got to stop these two footed block type challenges. They are not malicious but they are dangerous and its clear that the refs are watching out for them. He's becoming a bit of a liability with these challenges and him hacking down players on the edge of the box. Needs to be cut out of his game.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Chipperfan on March 09, 2015, 07:51:07 AM
While like others I don't in any way condone dangerous play, I can't agree that his challenge on Saturday was dangerous. It may have hacked Sherwood and a few Villa fans off but no one was hurt and from where I was watching no one was in any danger of getting hurt. The very fact that play went on for so long after the challenge should tell us all that the referee wasn't actually sure he had seen a foul at all, never mind a book able offence.

However, setting all that aside, Yac was in no way to blame for the defeat. He was the stand out performer in my book, and we all know that had Bobby or Saido converted first half chances we would have been out of sight by half time, never mind Given's save from Brunt's deflected shot and Lescott's miss too. We had more than enough play to have punished them.

Yacob is the only player we have who routinely breaks up opposition possession, we looked a poorer side when he wasn't playing and I can't say that him being absent on Saturday against Stoke fills me with any confidence.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: throstle on March 09, 2015, 08:48:05 AM
I can't have the criticism of Yac. He was easily our best performer yesterday and did not in any universe deserve to be sent off.

It was a sickening moment in in a sickening game. I am so tired of referees reacting to ridiculous behaviour by "injured" players and petulant over hyped managers.

Pulis in an interview on Tom Ross's Goalzone says the ref reacted to Tim Sherwood jumping around on the touch line, which is clear to see on the footage. Of course after the game swarmy Tim acts as if it never happened and says the sending off was harsh.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on March 09, 2015, 03:54:58 PM
The ref' would not have actually seen contact even if there were any, he was behind the Villa player who went to ground.
The linesman on the other hand appeared to have a clear view and did not raise his flag.
No ball's for not speaking up, and no smarts from the ref' for not even consulting his 'assistant'.
However, this probably would not even be relevant if we had converted our chances.
What a s**t day all round.

It amazes me that they saw Yacob do nothing and sent him off yet brain ache Hutton nkicls Berahino in the guts, leaves his foot in for good measure, and gets away with it.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Astle1968 on March 09, 2015, 04:13:17 PM
Was never a red card, didn't really jump in, wasn't a stamp (didn't actually make contact) didn't lead with studs showing. Ref reacted to Sherwood as he clearly didnt see the incident (lino had a much better view and did nothing)

However....

It was a stupid thing for Yacob to do. No need for him to make the tackle that way and if you go in with that motion you always run the risk even if it this case it was the wrong decision. Poor officiating and made worse by Huttons let off last week but Yacob has a reputation after the Chelsea red and needs to cut this out. Whilst I think it was awful reffing it's hard to feel any sympathy for Yacob
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 09, 2015, 04:30:41 PM
Was never a red card, didn't really jump in, wasn't a stamp (didn't actually make contact) didn't lead with studs showing. Ref reacted to Sherwood as he clearly didnt see the incident (lino had a much better view and did nothing)

However....

It was a stupid thing for Yacob to do. No need for him to make the tackle that way and if you go in with that motion you always run the risk even if it this case it was the wrong decision. Poor officiating and made worse by Huttons let off last week but Yacob has a reputation after the Chelsea red and needs to cut this out. Whilst I think it was awful reffing it's hard to feel any sympathy for Yacob

Yacob did nothing wrong, he stood his ground, anything different and he would have been injured. The only people at fault in that incident were Anthony Taylor who got it wrong and Leandro Bacuna who rolled round like a little kid which instigated the ref giving the card. If he had got up straight away the ref would have carried on the game.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: johnnyg on March 09, 2015, 11:00:29 PM
Disagree 100%.
Yacob did exactly the same thing v West Ham only a hell of a lot worse ( in my opinion, that West Ham tackle was a leg-breaker) , and should have got a straight red. He was an accident waiting to happen, and while it was harsh in the circumstances, its hard to feel sympathy for him. He's a loose cannon, and i seriously doubt his value to the team. He doesn't even do well what he used to offer us 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: AlbionFan on March 15, 2015, 09:14:32 AM
Does anyone else think we played better without Yacob yesterday or was it all down to playing at home, the formation we played and the other players determination to put the vile games behind us?

Interesting he didn't play Mulumbu, played Sess instead, which shows attacking intent.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on March 15, 2015, 09:41:41 AM
Yacob is good at what he does but in a 4-4-2 I would prefer Fletcher + Morrison or Fletcher + Mulumbu in the central positions.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 15, 2015, 11:21:24 AM
Does anyone else think we played better without Yacob yesterday or was it all down to playing at home, the formation we played and the other players determination to put the vile games behind us?

Interesting he didn't play Mulumbu, played Sess instead, which shows attacking intent.
Honestly? I'd say playing at home, we played similar to that in most home games.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Strodder on March 15, 2015, 12:07:33 PM
Does anyone else think we played better without Yacob yesterday or was it all down to playing at home, the formation we played and the other players determination to put the vile games behind us?

Interesting he didn't play Mulumbu, played Sess instead, which shows attacking intent.

Yes I have to agree with this. Whilst the return of Yacob has coincided with an upturn in league form he for me the lowest common denominator of midfielder in that he just basically gets in the way. Very effectively, but he offers nothing else to the team. He can't run, he can't carry the ball, he can't pass any further than 3 metres and he always looks like a sending off waiting to happen. 
Don't get me wrong, he has absolutely contributed to the stabilising of the team but Morrison and Fletcher are a far more capable and progressive central partnership.
For me if yesterday's team had played against villa in the league we would have won that game, which would have led to a different cup dynamic.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 19, 2015, 09:37:15 PM
I hope he wasn't waving goodbye last night - he must be rewarded with a new deal in the close season.

He has been absolutely fantastic since the arrival of Tony Pulis and probably put in his best performance of the season last night - one thing we have missed is the Yacob of old and it's good to finally get him back. How he couldn't get into the side earlier on in the season is beyond me.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: stubba on May 19, 2015, 09:56:02 PM
Judging by the way he celebrated each goal & his all round work ethic I would say he is a happy chappy! Deserves new deal .
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tommcneill on May 19, 2015, 10:10:53 PM
I hope he stays as he is a player I really like

The water carrier
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Londonbaggymike on May 19, 2015, 10:29:03 PM
He was the outstanding performer in an outstanding performance. Keeping him should be a priority - I think TP probably realises this.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Standaman on May 20, 2015, 08:03:56 AM
The future of Yacob is inextricably linked to where Pulis wants to take us tactically. If his stock formation is the 4-2-3-1 that we saw on Monday night, Yacob is one of the first names on the team sheet and not only should we take up the option but we should sign him up on a longer deal.

If Pulis reverts to type and goes 4-4-2 unless the number 10 drops really deep to link play (and that player is not Berahino incidentally), I wouldn't take up the option because Yacob is a very bad choice in that system. The player sits too deep does not get forward enough and his instincts are all wrong. He will obviously do what he does best which is tackle anything that moves and protect the back 4 but in some regards he is as much as a luxury player in a 4-4-2 as Sessegnon because the things he doesn't do make the team very much weaker.

This is not a criticism of the player who I admire greatly but it is about the choices that Pulis needs to make.

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mister AT on May 20, 2015, 09:29:04 AM
I think he will be kept on, and rightly so when you look at his performances of late.

I think its fair to say the introduction of Fletcher has improved the games of both Yacob and Morrison, who have had a very good end to the season.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: hunsletbaggie on May 20, 2015, 12:20:42 PM
I think he will be kept on, and rightly so when you look at his performances of late.

I think its fair to say the introduction of Fletcher has improved the games of both Yacob and Morrison, who have had a very good end to the season.
Nothing to do with Fletcher and you can see that from the west ham cup game. Claudio is one of our most effective players who was criminally under used by Irvine said it before TP's introduction of Yacob into the starting 11 was the turning point of the season.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tommcneill on May 20, 2015, 12:47:46 PM
Absolutely this guy should be kept on, even if we are 4-4-2 it wont be like that all season and a change in formation will be inevitable.

He has been brilliant since returning to the team. My favourite player down the Albion at the min he is
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Foster#1 on May 24, 2015, 07:40:32 PM
Retained for another 12 months thankfully.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie96 on May 24, 2015, 07:43:01 PM
Brilliant news, great player for us imo.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBArgo on May 24, 2015, 08:03:08 PM
Retained for another 12 months thankfully.
Thank god for that, has easily been our best player under Tony Pulis in my humble opinion.
It's crazy to think that Irvine never played him, get in Yacob!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 24, 2015, 09:26:53 PM
Only retained? He should be re-signed.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 24, 2015, 09:30:20 PM
Only retained? He should be re-signed.
Might need to discuss terms etc? Glad he still with us.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: geoff on May 24, 2015, 11:32:31 PM
Played really well under TP & i'm not surprised we have taken up his one year extension & wouldn't be surprised to see him offered another 2/3 year contract.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: koren on July 10, 2015, 04:25:39 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-yacob-contract-2539230.aspx (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/wba-albion-yacob-contract-2539230.aspx)

Yacob has signed a new 2-year contract

Good news  :)

He has been an important player since Pulis came.

CLAUDIO Yacob has today committed his future to Albion by signing a new two-year deal.

The 27-year-old penned a deal which will keep him at The Hawthorns until summer 2017.

Yacob has made 85 appearances for the Baggies since joining from Racing Club three summers ago.

The Argentinian midfielder emerged as a key member of Tony Pulis' midfield during the second half of last season, forming an effective partnership with captain Darren Fletcher.

He finalised his new deal earlier today after returning from Albion's successful pre-season trip to Austria.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: royhan on July 10, 2015, 04:30:12 PM
Excellent news. Let's hope we sign some similar quality players to link with him.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BobTaylor on July 10, 2015, 05:18:20 PM
Great news.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: divinewind on July 10, 2015, 05:23:15 PM
Pleased with that.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on July 10, 2015, 06:03:06 PM
At the end of the day it's just an additional year on top of his current 12 month contract. Personally think he'll be gone at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 10, 2015, 06:35:43 PM
At the end of the day it's just an additional year on top of his current 12 month contract. Personally think he'll be gone at the end of the season.
I believe he's said in an interview that he'd like to go back to Argentina and finish his career there. IF he completes the 2 year contract, he'll turn 30 and be able to return on a free contract. I see nothing massively wrong there.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 10, 2015, 06:37:47 PM
Best signing we will make this window. Yacob is absolutely immense. One player that is irreplaceable for me.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: AlbionBest on July 10, 2015, 06:38:56 PM
Very pleased with this - as long as we see the Yacob of the last five months of the season.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 10, 2015, 08:01:04 PM
Great signing. Magic.  ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tylerm on July 10, 2015, 09:23:10 PM
Might be alone here but I still think Mulumbu is the better player and would rather have kept him
Yacob is too limited for me as he seems too much of a one trick pony especially in a 4 4 2 and is a sending off waiting to happen
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: stubba on July 10, 2015, 09:55:53 PM
Not here to bash players & yacob done ok but he like most of our midfield lack pace vision & creation & is always 1 tackle away from a red card imo
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 10, 2015, 10:18:25 PM
I stand to be corrected because i havent checked but to my mind he's only ever been sent off once for a straight red.

A fallacy on a par with Bednar was good in the air and Brunt is lazy that Yacob is a red card waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 11, 2015, 01:50:26 AM
I stand to be corrected because i havent checked but to my mind he's only ever been sent off once for a straight red.

A fallacy on a par with Bednar was good in the air and Brunt is lazy that Yacob is a red card waiting to happen.
Untill last season, he'd not been sent off for us full stop.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: skyclad99 on July 11, 2015, 06:56:00 AM
Not here to bash players & yacob done ok but he like most of our midfield lack pace vision & creation & is always 1 tackle away from a red card imo

A bit harsh imo. Yacob is excellent at getting in that crucial tackle and breaking up the opposition play. Personally I think his timing is bang on tackle wise and a few others could learn from him. When you play in that position and put those sorts of tackles in, you are obviously close to a booking, but perhaps it show the skill of the player by the number of reds he actually has received - none before last season?

One of the first names on my teamsheet for sure.......our defence must love him!   
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: halifax_baggie on July 11, 2015, 09:13:35 AM
Untill last season, he'd not been sent off for us full stop.

and that sending off if you remember was controversial for a jump tackle that upon close examination was not :(
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: hunsletbaggie on July 11, 2015, 11:04:09 AM
Brilliant news my favourite Albion player at the moment.
Can't understand why Irvine under used him, it was criminal.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Standaman on July 11, 2015, 11:22:05 AM
Brilliant news my favourite Albion player at the moment.
Can't understand why Irvine under used him, it was criminal.

Simple reason did not fit in his preferred 4-4-2 any more than Pulis's 4-4-2. Does a fantastic job defensively but does not work going forward. We are now on our third coach whose preference is for 4-4-2 but with a lot of the key players particularly Yacob are still best deployed in a 4-2-3-1.

   
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: stubba on July 11, 2015, 07:54:23 PM
Trust me it won't be long if he keeps jumping at players two footed
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tylerm on July 11, 2015, 10:31:47 PM
Got sent off at Chelsea  and Villa for 2 footed challenges
Should have gone also (in the cup I think) for a high challenge aswell
I don't think he fits well in a 4 4 2 but was great in a 4 2 3 1
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 12, 2015, 03:04:32 PM
Got sent off at Chelsea  and Villa for 2 footed challenges
Should have gone also (in the cup I think) for a high challenge aswell
I don't think he fits well in a 4 4 2 but was great in a 4 2 3 1

To be fair though, the sending off against Villa was a complete joke.

It was Bacuna flying through Yacob.

MOTD have done this montage about his tackling and now everybody has jumped on the bandwagon that he is a red card waiting to happen when prior to that footage nobody batted an eyelid.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: stubba on July 12, 2015, 03:48:40 PM
Incorrect I watch Albion home & away and I don't watch with my eyes closed or through blue/white eyes like I said earlier a decent player but always prone to red card! He is after all a South American 😎
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBArgo on July 12, 2015, 03:53:02 PM
Incorrect I watch Albion home & away and I don't watch with my eyes closed or through blue/white eyes like I said earlier a decent player but always prone to red card! He is after all a South American 😎
So did I, and I don't think his tackle vs Villa or Chelsea warranted red cards.
I get he's dirty and does go at players, but he's got a 'bad reputation' because of his nationality/continent.
I'd say Callum Mcmanaman looks far more dangerous when going into a tackle, and Jara used to be the same. With Yacob I do genuinely believe he's unfortunate though.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: stubba on July 12, 2015, 05:50:28 PM
In the modern game your not unfortunate when receiving a red card for tackling with both feet of the ground. It's just the way it is, I'm not saying I agree in fact quite the opposite as I was brought up with Ally Robbo & the like⚽️😇
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 13, 2015, 09:40:18 AM
Simple reason did not fit in his preferred 4-4-2 any more than Pulis's 4-4-2. Does a fantastic job defensively but does not work going forward. We are now on our third coach whose preference is for 4-4-2 but with a lot of the key players particularly Yacob are still best deployed in a 4-2-3-1.

My thoughts exactly.  Never been effective in a 4-4-2.  4-1-4-1 / 4-2-3-1 it is then.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 14, 2015, 09:17:48 PM
Would be mustard in a strong 3-5-2
Other than the villa game I don't think we can argue about the Reds , except for the fact that when its "higher profile players" it's a yellow or ignored, like most things in football, consistency would be a great leveller .
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggieblood on July 14, 2015, 09:27:45 PM
Imo yacob is a liabilty with those stamps which he does now but didn't when he first came.

He cannot lace mulumbu's boots and i fear we'll regret letting him go.

When we finished 8th the two together were brilliant.

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: charliemike on July 14, 2015, 09:38:18 PM
Yaqub played very well in the second half of our season . Has for mulumbu it's plain silly to compare the 2 . One is an holding midfielder , the other one was an headless chicken at times . We will see .
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on October 29, 2015, 04:08:44 PM
He's probably been Albion's best player so far this season. One of the best DMs in the league without a doubt. No wonder he's the first name on TP's team sheet.

He's even helped Rondon settle in! http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/rondon-full-of-praise-for-important-yacob-2768991.aspx
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggieblood on November 29, 2015, 04:21:29 PM
Massive liablity again today.

And to think some on here thought he was better than mulumbu, who apparently gave too many  free kicks away around the box and was only a 6 out of 10 player week in week out.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 29, 2015, 04:31:59 PM
Not at his best today granted but overall this year he has been very good.

He's far more disciplined than Mulumbu and that's why Yacob starts every week and the other is sitting on Norwich' bench.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 29, 2015, 04:34:52 PM
Yacob is one of our best players.
It is just that our other midfielders drop back to our area and he has no choice but to "get in".
He is continually over exposed by our non thinking players.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dexy on November 29, 2015, 06:22:51 PM
Massive liablity again today.

And to think some on here thought he was better than mulumbu, who apparently gave too many  free kicks away around the box and was only a 6 out of 10 player week in week out.
Been top draw nearly all season , had a poor game today but i wonder if he was one carrying an injury that Pulis spoke about before the game...he did have a huge medical tape on one leg.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2015, 07:03:30 PM
Been top draw nearly all season , had a poor game today but i wonder if he was one carrying an injury that Pulis spoke about before the game...he did have a huge medical tape on one leg.

Out of sorts today, normally nothing gets past him today he seemed late to nearly every ball. Possibly fatigued and a week off will do him good.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tylerm on November 29, 2015, 08:13:40 PM
Shows how football is all about opinions because I fail to see what he offers to us
For me he is too limited and we can't afford him and Fletcher,especially in a 4 4 2.He never gets forward and I can't remember him ever having a shot at goal in his Albion career
Mulumbu I feel was a complete box to box midfielder and I would try to up grade Yacob in January
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: AlbionDaz on November 29, 2015, 08:29:06 PM
Shows how football is all about opinions because I fail to see what he offers to us
For me he is too limited and we can't afford him and Fletcher,especially in a 4 4 2.He never gets forward and I can't remember him ever having a shot at goal in his Albion career
Mulumbu I feel was a complete box to box midfielder and I would try to up grade Yacob in January
This a wind up ?
He doesn't get forward much or hardly has a shot cause he is played as a rigid defensive midfielder,he offers protection to the defensive more than helping out with the attacking duties.
Agree he had a bit of a mare today,but don't we all occasionally.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tylerm on November 29, 2015, 08:33:58 PM
This a wind up ?
He doesn't get forward much or hardly has a shot cause he is played as a rigid defensive midfielder,he offers protection to the defensive more than helping out with the attacking duties.
Agree he had a bit of a mare today,but don't we all occasionally.

That's what I am saying,he does the same as Fletcher and we can't afford 2 doing that especially if we chose to play 4 4 2
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Aixelsyd on November 29, 2015, 08:36:39 PM
Shows how football is all about opinions because I fail to see what he offers to us
For me he is too limited and we can't afford him and Fletcher,especially in a 4 4 2.He never gets forward and I can't remember him ever having a shot at goal in his Albion career
Mulumbu I feel was a complete box to box midfielder and I would try to up grade Yacob in January

Really?

I think he has been brilliant for us... yes he has bad days, like today but has been in the main, the defensive anchor we need...

and by the way, he has actually scored a header against Arsenal :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 29, 2015, 08:41:06 PM
That's what I am saying,he does the same as Fletcher and we can't afford 2 doing that especially if we chose to play 4 4 2

In an ideal world you may be right but under Pulis I think whoever plays those two central midfielders are going to be incredibly rigid with the first thought on protection than creativity. Pulis is not going to allow his central midfielders to wonder aimlessly leaving our centre halves exposed. Any attacking threat we're going to have is going to come through our wide men, whoever they may be.

I totally agree with you though, especially at home, having Fletcher and Yacob in the side is far too over protective as neither offer enough on the ball going forwards. I think that's a big reason why we've seen the reintroduction of Sessegnon and James Morrison.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mikkyk on November 29, 2015, 09:15:35 PM
Shows how football is all about opinions because I fail to see what he offers to us
For me he is too limited and we can't afford him and Fletcher,especially in a 4 4 2.He never gets forward and I can't remember him ever having a shot at goal in his Albion career
Mulumbu I feel was a complete box to box midfielder and I would try to up grade Yacob in January

I'm inclined to agree, I think he kills the team. I do think Mulumbu is past it for the premier league now though too.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on November 29, 2015, 09:46:07 PM
West Ham closed us down in numbers effectively first half. All our midfield struggled with it and Yacob was no exception (Mulumbu used to struggle badly in such games also). Will be interesting to see how Fletcher and Morrison go together against Spurs. Presumably Fletcher will sit more with Mozza more box to box.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: albion59 on November 29, 2015, 10:20:12 PM
Massive liablity again today.

And to think some on here thought he was better than mulumbu, who apparently gave too many  free kicks away around the box and was only a 6 out of 10 player week in week out.
massive liability AGAIN today? this really is a wind up, he as been our best player all season, everyone is allowed an off day.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: geoff on November 29, 2015, 10:31:37 PM
Claudio is the type of player that opposition players hate to play against 
If he was a breed of dog he would be a terrier, Never afraid to get stuck in & Never gives you a minute's peace.
Claudio is what was at one time called a spoiler or mam to man marker.
He does a job in my eyes but not today.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albion79 on November 30, 2015, 09:26:10 AM
I think Yacob is a limited footballer but in certain games can do an excellent job.

Against Arsenal i thought he was brilliant, most teams have more possession than us but teams such as Arsenal who are a quite patient and knock it around a lot, Yacob is good because he gets in their faces and breaks up the play and protects the back 4.

The reality is though, if a team can find a way past that, he offers us little else, he cant change his game, its just the way he plays. When we played Palace, Leicester and West Ham this season (those spring to mind) he has struggled because they attack at pace and dont give him chance to break the play up.

To me i think we badly need an alternate option in January, play Yacob against the likes to Arsenal, Man City, Bournemouth, Swansea (there are others but they stick out as the keep ball teams) and games where teams are more direct or counter attacking, leave him out.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: seteefeet on November 30, 2015, 11:02:21 AM
He did have a bit of a mare yesterday, but still think he is one of our best performers and would be difficult to replace, especially in a Pulis team.
Sod's law though that he gets suspended for a fantastic tackle.
We will see how well we cope without him next week. Hope Sick Vic has kept his boots clean seeing as he is our back up holding midfielder!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KYA on November 30, 2015, 11:27:34 AM
 Yacob has been great for Albion he doe's the things fans tend not to notice covering the defence closing down space , the only thing he lacks is pace but like many players he would'nt be here if he had that to his game.
 A free transfer who is better than most we paid money for.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: paulosull on November 30, 2015, 11:41:04 AM
All yacob needs is one yard of pace and he'd get into the Barca team . That lack of pace is the reason he's not world class but still a Prem player. SO DO SOME SPEED DRILLS YOU SLOW COACH ;D :P
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: stokelad84 on November 30, 2015, 11:47:16 AM
If Yacob had pace he would probably have made a living as a winger and not a holding midfielder.

If Pulis did replace him if would be for a Jedinak or a Glenn Whelan type. They haven't got too much pace either. Thinking about it, even the very best holding midfielders like Matic and Schneiderlin don't have much pace.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albion79 on November 30, 2015, 11:58:23 AM
Yacob hasnt got any pace but i think the problem he has is more that he doesnt turn very well and he has no acceleration to even give himself a chance to get into a sprint!

I think he is an out and out stopper, he breaks up play and for certain games, we have nobody in the squad better to do it (think he has improved a lot under Pulis)

However that is his limit, he doesnt pass the ball particularly well, he cant beat a man and isnt a threat off setpieces, i know as a defensive midfielder that isnt really his job but would be good to have one of those up his sleeve so when he does have a game where teams are too quick and mobile for him, you think okay he can add something else to the team, but sadly he doesnt.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 30, 2015, 01:16:08 PM
If Yacob had pace he would probably have made a living as a winger and not a holding midfielder.

If Pulis did replace him if would be for a Jedinak or a Glenn Whelan type. They haven't got too much pace either. Thinking about it, even the very best holding midfielders like Matic and Schneiderlin don't have much pace.

If Yacob was taller Pulis would probably play him at full back.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: seteefeet on November 30, 2015, 01:57:56 PM
Who will replace him against Spuds?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Lloydy on November 30, 2015, 02:03:09 PM
Who will replace him against Spuds?

I'll be very surprised if we don't see Gardner come in and play wide right with Morrison partnering Fletcher in the middle.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BoingFlyer on November 30, 2015, 02:21:40 PM
I would do a straight swap with Gardener.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: seteefeet on November 30, 2015, 02:48:23 PM
I would do a straight swap with Gardener.
Agree. I would swap anything for Gardner, a lawn mower, cuddly toy, fondue set.....
Oh sorry, is that not what you meant?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: caravanc58 on November 30, 2015, 02:55:00 PM
Agree. I would swap anything for Gardner, a lawn mower, cuddly toy, fondue set.....
Oh sorry, is that not what you meant?
will give you a lawn mower but to show my generosity you can keep Gardner.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: seteefeet on November 30, 2015, 02:59:00 PM
will give you a lawn mower but to show my generosity you can keep Gardner.
That's no good, he'd just run around with it looking busy, but wouldn't actually cut the flippin grass!!! ???
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on November 30, 2015, 04:18:26 PM
That's no good, he'd just run around with it looking busy, but wouldn't actually cut the flippin grass!!! ???
Just sprinkle your grass with whisky...It will come up "half cut".
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Pie on November 30, 2015, 05:27:13 PM
will be missed against Spurs - might show a few doubters how much we need him in the side.

Of course he is not the greatest on the ball but then if he was he would not be playing for us!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie53 on November 30, 2015, 06:52:05 PM
will give you a lawn mower but to show my generosity you can keep Gardner.

Well a lawn mowers no good without a Gardner to use it
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: fpvmtimbdbo on November 30, 2015, 06:53:39 PM
I think Yacob is a limited footballer but in certain games can do an excellent job.

 When we played Palace, Leicester and West Ham this season (those spring to mind) he has struggled because they attack at pace and dont give him chance to break the play up.


Aside from West Ham, Yacob hasn't struggled in any game this season. He was decent against Leicester and was probably Albion's best player against Palace along with McClean.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on January 03, 2016, 08:58:47 AM
McManaman gets plenty of stick on here over his occasional dives. There's no doubt for me that Yacob makes of meal of things when he's on the end of any sort of challenge. He made a big meal of the half slap from Cameron yesterday which certainly wasn't the first time he's done that.
Think he should be strongly encouraged to tone down the theatricals. Like diving, it's something that we would hope to keep to a minimum in this country ???
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: easyrider on January 03, 2016, 09:08:40 AM
cameron raised his hand and struck another player thats a red card whether yacob made a meal of it or not
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 03, 2016, 09:12:14 AM
McManaman gets plenty of stick on here over his occasional dives. There's no doubt for me that Yacob makes of meal of things when he's on the end of any sort of challenge. He made a big meal of the half slap from Cameron yesterday which certainly wasn't the first time he's done that.
Think he should be strongly encouraged to tone down the theatricals. Like diving, it's something that we would hope to keep to a minimum in this country ???

Yacob has been on the wrong end of other players theatricals, I don't like it, but the Stoke player was an idiot for doing it.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: PepeMel on January 03, 2016, 09:43:33 AM
Peekaboo :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on January 03, 2016, 10:39:28 AM
Cameron bitch slapped him round the back of the head.
As soon as the hands make deliberate contact with the head or face its red, they know the rules.
We've been on the end of a few of those so whilst not condoning Claudio's theatricals there's no complaints from me.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: kris_boing on January 03, 2016, 10:44:33 AM
I have to admit that I don't like that kind of behaviour.  Don't want to see our players resort to that kind of thing but the problem in the Premier league is that everyone does it so unfortunately things aren't going to change until it's properly stamped out.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: mulliganstired on January 03, 2016, 10:51:41 AM
On the side on replay view it does look he might have caught him pretty sharply with the knuckles, but the peekaboo does make it all look a bit ropey.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: MarkW on January 03, 2016, 10:52:24 AM
There's now a rule about feigning a facial injury to get a player sent off. Given he was hit in the head I doubt he will get banned but he needs to be careful
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Standaman on January 03, 2016, 11:55:53 AM
Hitting someone is a straight red card offence and Claudio isn't obliged to help him out by making light of it but the theatrics went a bit far.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 03, 2016, 12:06:30 PM
Made a meal of it which isn't nice to see

He is turning into Mr Consistent however with some very solid performances. He is great at just breaking up play and harrassing the opposition.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 03, 2016, 01:26:47 PM
Villa away last season?
Yacob was sent off for winning the ball, why would he miss an opportunity to help his team?
I don't like cheating but in this day and age you win at all costs, Sky do not payout on morals.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Atomic on January 03, 2016, 01:32:26 PM
Villa away last season?
Yacob was sent off for winning the ball, why would he miss an opportunity to help his team?
I don't like cheating but in this day and age you win at all costs, Sky do not payout on morals.


This.

You do what you can if you can get away with it. If you don't you and your team suffer.

Sad, but that's the way it is in the current climate.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wodenson46 on January 03, 2016, 03:14:33 PM
We have tried beating em - it don't work. So the alternative is to join em. If it benefits the Baggies -do it. Then listen to all the moaning 'pundits' ( is that old latin for tossers?) criticise the Albion players for being victims of the fouls, whilst we slyly accept the 3 points.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on January 03, 2016, 03:53:44 PM
I've seen several posts relating to McManaman saying 'get rid of the diver' or similar.

What's the big difference between Macca diving and Yacob making the most of whatever contact to get an opposing player booked or sent off ?  Both amount to cheating in my book.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 03, 2016, 04:11:41 PM
I've seen several posts relating to McManaman saying 'get rid of the diver' or similar.

What's the big difference between Macca diving and Yacob making the most of whatever contact to get an opposing player booked or sent off ?  Both amount to cheating in my book.

Natural reaction to go down when you get "hit" it's not as if it's Rivaldo-esque. The other problem with the game is that it wouldn't have been a (correct) red card if he hadn't made something of it.

McManaman is a different story his theatrics are costing the team, twice this season he'd have got a penalty less than a second later if he hadn't tried to buy one.

Double standards I suppose, one player benefited the team the others actions were to our detriment.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: sing on our own on January 03, 2016, 05:56:17 PM
I'm sure Pulis encourages cheating just look at the antics Stoke used to get up to.......which makes his comments about Cal Mac even more baffling. I don't blame Yacob really it's just modern football, as the saying goes don't blame the player blame the game.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 03, 2016, 06:10:27 PM
I'm sure Pulis encourages cheating just look at the antics Stoke used to get up to.......which makes his comments about Cal Mac even more baffling. I don't blame Yacob really it's just modern football, as the saying goes don't blame the player blame the game.

Quite the opposite he's spoken out against diving for as long as I can remember. He won't consider what Yacob did, or Fuller etc as diving as it was an offence against the player, that they have made the most of.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 03, 2016, 08:12:57 PM
I'm sure Pulis encourages cheating just look at the antics Stoke used to get up to.......which makes his comments about Cal Mac even more baffling. I don't blame Yacob really it's just modern football, as the saying goes don't blame the player blame the game.

Double bluff. If he comes out in the press saying he doesn't condone diving, when a player goes down the referee is going to think it is more likely to be genuine.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albionic on January 04, 2016, 12:51:14 PM
Double bluff. If he comes out in the press saying he doesn't condone diving, when a player goes down the referee is going to think it is more likely to be genuine.

I hadn't considered that, good point well made
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on January 04, 2016, 06:30:23 PM
Cameron card overturned.
Claudio needs to be sensible now the refs will be watching him
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on January 04, 2016, 06:37:20 PM
Cameron card overturned.
Claudio needs to be sensible now the refs will be watching him

What a joke!! That would never happen to Albion if we appealed, Rondon's red card wasn't any worse than that and their player went rolling on the floor holding his face, why wasn't Rondon's card overturned?

Yacob got sent off against Villa literally without touching the opposing player and he got sent off with no retribution.

Cameron hit a player with no intention of winning the ball, but that's no longer a red card? Baffling. Corrupt FA strike again
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 04, 2016, 06:41:15 PM
ridiculous decision. so slapping/cuffing an opponent around the head is allowed now? Thought raising hands to an opponent was a red card offence?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on January 04, 2016, 09:28:32 PM
At leas the FA are consistent.  They ignore everything else Stoke players do too, from stamping to eye-gouging.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wodenson46 on January 05, 2016, 03:39:17 PM
So next time McLean or any other albion player gets fouled twice and gets upset about it he should not try to win the ball in an aggressive fashion, but should merely rabbit punch the opponent from behind and any ensuing card will be overturned on appeal.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 05, 2016, 03:55:21 PM
Can't say I'm overly fussed to see the card rescinded, he flicked the back of his neck, sure by the letter of the law bla bla but is this what people want to watch - a grown man barely touching an opponent and getting sent off for it?   I found Yacob's reaction a touch embarrassing to be honest.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wodenson46 on January 05, 2016, 04:13:33 PM
A law is a law  - or it don't mean anything.  The laws of the game actually deal with the issue of raising ones hands in a violent manner.  Overturning this correct decision makes a mockery of every other football law. Hitting another person deliberately is an assault however hard you hit em.   By the way  I also do not believe Jacob did anything wrong when judged by the antics of most of the other prem players who also seek to gain advantages by getting opponents booked/sent off by feigning injury, often from much less contact than in this case. Excuses are made when a player goes down easily 'well there was contact' being the most often used cliche'.  In this case there was clearly contact and a deliberate action to hit out at another player. The correct decision has to be a red card and it should not have been rescinded. Is there any way the FA can justify this ?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on January 05, 2016, 06:41:52 PM
Wrong decision by the FA given the laws but yes Yacob's reaction was embarrassing and it's not the first time. Have a word TP ....he'll be closely watched from now on.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on March 02, 2016, 07:45:00 AM
Claudio now missing for two games.
Be a big miss against Manure and Arsenal.
Wonder if big Sandro can step up?
Alternatives are to play Gardner of Evans (if fit) in there.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mister AT on March 02, 2016, 07:48:59 AM
Claudio now missing for two games.
Be a big miss against Manure and Arsenal.
Wonder if big Sandro can step up?
Alternatives are to play Gardner of Evans (if fit) in there.

I would imagine we would slot Sandro in there, leave Gardner on the wing as he hasnt done too badly last couple of games.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Standaman on March 02, 2016, 08:52:21 AM
I imagine that Sandro will step in it might not be Arsenal if they progress to the 6th round of the cup.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: saltnshake on March 02, 2016, 07:11:20 PM
Yacob didn't get booked he booked Chester for a foul on the halfway line not Claudio, i have just checked the official site report and we only had 2 bookings Chester and Sessegnon.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2016, 07:23:16 PM
Yacob didn't get booked he booked Chester for a foul on the halfway line not Claudio, i have just checked the official site report and we only had 2 bookings Chester and Sessegnon.

Just checked the BBC and official club site and they both say Yacob booked 88th minute.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: SmethDan on March 02, 2016, 07:45:30 PM
Just checked the BBC and official club site and they both say Yacob booked 88th minute.

BBC states Yacob in the 88th, but the official site states Chester in the 89th.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 02, 2016, 07:51:42 PM
Yacob was booked for tripping up a Leicester player.

He can have no complaints regarding his suspension. He's very effective at his job but he don't half give away some stupid free-kicks and pick up silly bookings. We're now going to miss an influential player because he cannot keep his own discipline.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: slate on March 02, 2016, 09:07:07 PM
Yacob was booked for tripping up a Leicester player.

He can have no complaints regarding his suspension. He's very effective at his job but he don't half give away some stupid free-kicks and pick up silly bookings. We're now going to miss an influential player because he cannot keep his own discipline.

The job that he does for us comes with a price. You have to expect that he will miss a few games each season due to suspension. It's hardly a surprise.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 02, 2016, 09:36:35 PM
The Yacob incident. Clattenberg clearly pointed to Chester who had committed a foul but advantage was played only for Yacob to then trip the attacker. Chester was definitely booked but wouldn't surprise me if he booked both.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: paulosull on March 03, 2016, 12:08:56 AM
The Yacob incident. Clattenberg clearly pointed to Chester who had committed a foul but advantage was played only for Yacob to then trip the attacker. Chester was definitely booked but wouldn't surprise me if he booked both.
looked like he only booked Chester and made it very obvious
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: timdon on March 03, 2016, 11:53:35 AM
So, at the end of all the discussion, is he suspended or not? I'm none the wiser.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 03, 2016, 11:59:08 AM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/west-brom-albion-2-2-premier-league-leicester-king-power-stadium-2983165.aspx

According to the official site...
Bookings: Sessegnon (31, dissent); Chester (89, foul)

At the bottom of the report.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: MarkW on March 03, 2016, 12:01:51 PM
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/suspensions

Type in West Bromwich Albion and you'll see that Yacob is on 9 yellows, so he can play vs Man Utd.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 03, 2016, 12:02:56 PM
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/live/match-stats/341460/leicester-city-v-west-bromwich-albion

The stats also, don't show Yacob as being booked.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: SmethDan on March 03, 2016, 12:10:28 PM
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/live/match-stats/341460/leicester-city-v-west-bromwich-albion

The stats also, don't show Yacob as being booked.

Look at the team 'starting formation' on the right hand side, it clearly states that Yacob was booked.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: SmethDan on March 03, 2016, 12:42:20 PM
Look at the team 'starting formation' on the right hand side, it clearly states that Yacob was booked.

Further to this:

This list is not meant to exhaustive and may be proven wrong when the ref’s report has been published.
However, the media outlets below all state that it was Yacob who was booked.

Birmingham Mail:
“Yacob booked for a ‘foul’ on Mahrez.
Soft as anything.
More a totting up process I think”.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/replay-leicester-city-v-west-10968085 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/replay-leicester-city-v-west-10968085)

BBC Live Text section:
“Claudio Yacob (West Bromwich Albion) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul”.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35637647 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35637647)

The Guardian:
87th minute
“Yacob, finally, is booked for a snide push on Mahrez as he looked to break”.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2016/mar/01/leicester-city-v-west-bromwich-albion-premier-league-live (http://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2016/mar/01/leicester-city-v-west-bromwich-albion-premier-league-live)

Sportsmole:
89th minute
“YELLOW CARD! Yacob goes into the book for a foul on Mahrez, giving Leicester another free kick in a good position”.

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/leicester-city/live-commentary/live-commentary-leicester-vs-west-brom_267574.html (http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/leicester-city/live-commentary/live-commentary-leicester-vs-west-brom_267574.html)

reddit.com:
88th minute
“Yacob is booked for a foul on Mahrez. Free kick Leicester in a good position".

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/48hxqr/match_thread_leicester_city_vs_west_bromwich/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/48hxqr/match_thread_leicester_city_vs_west_bromwich/)

The Sun Dream Team:
Bookings Sessegnon and Yacob

https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/dream-team-ratings-leicester-west-brom/ (https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/dream-team-ratings-leicester-west-brom/)

Sport24:
Booked: Sessegnon and Yacob

http://www.sport24.co.za/soccer/livescoring?mid=23946504&st=football (http://www.sport24.co.za/soccer/livescoring?mid=23946504&st=football)

The ONLY outlet that I can find which states Chester was booked is the O/S.

There's going to be an awul lot of sports reporting outlets with red faces if it turns out that Chester was booked.
 :).
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 03, 2016, 12:45:07 PM
Look at the team 'starting formation' on the right hand side, it clearly states that Yacob was booked.

How did I miss that?
Thank you.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 03, 2016, 12:46:23 PM
Further to this:

This list is not meant to exhaustive and may be proven wrong when the ref’s report has been published.
However, the media outlets below all state that it was Yacob who was booked.

Birmingham Mail:
“Yacob booked for a ‘foul’ on Mahrez.
Soft as anything.
More a totting up process I think”.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/replay-leicester-city-v-west-10968085 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/replay-leicester-city-v-west-10968085)

BBC Live Text section:
“Claudio Yacob (West Bromwich Albion) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul”.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35637647 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35637647)

The Guardian:
87th minute
“Yacob, finally, is booked for a snide push on Mahrez as he looked to break”.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2016/mar/01/leicester-city-v-west-bromwich-albion-premier-league-live (http://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2016/mar/01/leicester-city-v-west-bromwich-albion-premier-league-live)

Sportsmole:
89th minute
“YELLOW CARD! Yacob goes into the book for a foul on Mahrez, giving Leicester another free kick in a good position”.

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/leicester-city/live-commentary/live-commentary-leicester-vs-west-brom_267574.html (http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/leicester-city/live-commentary/live-commentary-leicester-vs-west-brom_267574.html)

reddit.com:
88th minute
“Yacob is booked for a foul on Mahrez. Free kick Leicester in a good position".

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/48hxqr/match_thread_leicester_city_vs_west_bromwich/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/48hxqr/match_thread_leicester_city_vs_west_bromwich/)

The Sun Dream Team:
Bookings Sessegnon and Yacob

https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/dream-team-ratings-leicester-west-brom/ (https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/dream-team-ratings-leicester-west-brom/)

Sport24:
Booked: Sessegnon and Yacob

http://www.sport24.co.za/soccer/livescoring?mid=23946504&st=football (http://www.sport24.co.za/soccer/livescoring?mid=23946504&st=football)

The ONLY outlet that I can find which states Chester was booked is the O/S.

There's going to be an awul lot of sports reporting outlets with red faces if it turns out that Chester was booked.
 :).

Yet the ref, pointed at Chester - who had also committed a foul - when he brandished the card.

Clear as mud!! ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: SmethDan on March 03, 2016, 12:48:18 PM
How did I miss that?
Thank you.

You're welcome.
 8).
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: SmethDan on March 03, 2016, 12:49:05 PM
Yet the ref, pointed at Chester - who had also committed a foul - when he brandished the card.

Clear as mud!! ;D

And we also had McAuley sent off instead of Dawson.
 :P.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggiejohn on March 03, 2016, 01:11:38 PM
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/suspensions

Type in West Bromwich Albion and you'll see that Yacob is on 9 yellows, so he can play vs Man Utd.

Mark, does that include FA cup matches, I've seen a similar table where Claudio has 8 EPL yellows & 2 during FA Cup matches? I assumed from that he would be suspended.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mikkyk on March 03, 2016, 01:37:05 PM
The ref did indeed point at Chester at the time. Martin Swain has since confirmed that it was Chester who got booked.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: MarkW on March 03, 2016, 03:03:51 PM
Mark, does that include FA cup matches, I've seen a similar table where Claudio has 8 EPL yellows & 2 during FA Cup matches? I assumed from that he would be suspended.

I don't know I'm afraid. I'd assume it was all competitions because it's run by The FA.

EDIT:

If anyone wants to cross reference this table against other sources then be my guest:

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/suspensions/clubdiscipline?status=1&league=74&club=10648251

Laughed at Rahis Nabi getting sent off for "Adopting an Aggressive Attitude"!  :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggieboyfred on March 03, 2016, 09:57:21 PM
unfortunately C Y is always going to be an accident waiting to happen, and will be missed against Man U and whoever the second game will be , obviously if Arsenal get through to next round it wont be them, pity the officials did not spot the disgraceful tackle of Fuchs on Sess , and that was  at least a yellow right in front of the "Assistant Referee ", still such is life , and whatever the perils of Yacob , you notice when he's not playing
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: popmonkey on March 04, 2016, 10:09:27 AM
Yacob is still listed on the FA website on the one caution away from suspension, so he'll be available to play Man Utd.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 04, 2016, 08:16:11 PM
Anybody else sensing a points deduction for fielding an ineligible player?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Jimmy on March 04, 2016, 08:36:57 PM
Anybody else sensing a points deduction for fielding an ineligible player?

What exactly has gone on? I can't seem to find anything concrete either way.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 04, 2016, 08:43:18 PM
What exactly has gone on? I can't seem to find anything concrete either way.
That's my point, deducted 12 points, we drop ,seals stay up on goal difference, I swear I'll get the machine gun out
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 04, 2016, 08:57:04 PM
West Brom would have been notified by the F.A. if Yacob was suspended.

Edit...
Just found this on the F.A. site...
Yacob 1 away from a suspension, next game is versus Manure.
Just fill in "One caution away" and the "Club" of course.

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/suspensions
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: pauly414 on March 06, 2016, 07:37:00 PM
How good was this guy today, outstanding performance
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 06, 2016, 07:38:19 PM
He was immense today, need to get him signing a new deal before the vultures come sniffing.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie53 on March 06, 2016, 07:39:49 PM
How good was this guy today, outstanding performance
Absolutely immense, as well as his usual breakup play he used the ball well.
He was even closing down De Gea at one stage in the second half :o
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 06, 2016, 07:40:49 PM
He was immense today, need to get him signing a new deal before the vultures come sniffing.

Just posted similar on the post match tread, superb today, stopped anyone running at Olsson.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggieman1805 on March 06, 2016, 07:49:50 PM
Some time he worries me, today he impressed me immensely  :)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albion79 on March 06, 2016, 07:51:54 PM
Not always been his biggest fan as feel he can offer more than he has showed.

However today was MOTM to me, played brilliant and he has played superb the last 3 league games before it too.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Oldbaggie on March 06, 2016, 07:59:44 PM
He was immense today, need to get him signing a new deal before the vultures come sniffing.
Agree
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: caravanc58 on March 06, 2016, 08:07:20 PM
my motm today, his passing lets him down at times but today he was superb. he was even taking people on. 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 06, 2016, 08:16:36 PM
He seemed to be given time today. Yanited sat back defensively in the second half and seemed half committed in midfield. Saying that, he did his job well.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on March 06, 2016, 08:30:48 PM
The pirouette around Herrera was breath taking
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: albion59 on March 06, 2016, 09:01:44 PM
Yacob is bloody awesome. Absolutely fantastic again today he is fast becoming one of my all time favourites, i bloody love him!!!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 07, 2016, 12:10:11 AM
His man got sent off after 20 minutes. Still the best in the division at what he does. Very good today.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: caravanc58 on March 07, 2016, 12:19:59 AM
need to tie him down on a longer contract, be madness if we cash in and replace him with sandro.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 07, 2016, 10:17:26 AM
Run the show.

Great player, likeable person too. You notice his presence more when he doesn't play. One of our better signings in recent years.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 07, 2016, 10:38:28 AM
Another excellent performance from him, but then it is rare to not see that from him. Stories of us selling him in the summer had best not be true unless he is particularly unhappy here, which he never appears to be.

Always feel with Yacob that he requires the two creative midfielders in there with him so that he can win the ball and lay it off to them, which is why I have always felt us at our best when playing 4-3-3 as we did so effectively with Yacob, Mulumbu and Morrison in there. In saying that, his distribution was generally very good yesterday, but that was with him having more time given the man less we were facing.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Morany on March 07, 2016, 10:38:55 AM
Bossed the midfield yesterday, even if against 10.

Superb display, loved the passion at the end too. Clapped all four sides and seemed genuinely happy to be a baggie. Could tell how pleased he was to hear his name being sung.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tylerm on March 07, 2016, 01:35:43 PM
I have critised Yacob in the past saying that he is too limited and we need an 'allrounder'
Yesterday he was an allrounder. Great performance
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 07, 2016, 01:38:46 PM
need to tie him down on a longer contract, be madness if we cash in and replace him with sandro.

Totally agree, it is obviously down to the player a bit. But Albion do need to give him a contract which reflects that he is 1st team. In the modern market he'd easily be £6-8mill. Losing him would be a mistake.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 07, 2016, 01:48:25 PM
I have critised Yacob in the past saying that he is too limited and we need an 'allrounder'
Yesterday he was an allrounder. Great performance

I thought it was one of his best performances in an Albion shirt. I have also been critical of his limited forward movement but yesterday he was excellent and kept Man Utd down to one (poorish) shot on target.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Atomic on March 07, 2016, 01:54:10 PM
I thought it was one of his best performances in an Albion shirt. I have also been critical of his limited forward movement but yesterday he was excellent and kept Man Utd down to one (poorish) shot on target.


Me too, he was superb yesterday, easily the second best performance behind Rondon who took some equalling on that display. I'm struggling to think of anything Yacob did wrong.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tommcneill on March 07, 2016, 01:56:52 PM
Yacob was immense yesterday. Bossed the midfield

One of his best performances in an Albion shirt without a doubt.

Needs tying up to a new contract
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: SmethDan on March 07, 2016, 04:38:40 PM
My Man of the Match yesterday.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on March 07, 2016, 06:43:39 PM
It seems to suit him when we are pushing higher up the pitch. Maybe there's more movement and more passing options.
He's excelling himself staying out of the refs notebook at the moment....surely it can't last long and that suspension will arrive. At least he's helped get us safe first.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on April 26, 2016, 12:30:18 PM
Didn't hear this on TalkSpout but Chris Lepkowski (remember him lol) tweeted this about Yacob & I guess the spat with Alli
Chris Lepkowski ‏@chrislepkowski 3h3 hours ago

Alan Brazil and Harry Redknapp making outrageous accusations about Claudio yacob - a player on the receiving end of  punch #WBA

Chris Lepkowski ‏@chrislepkowski 3h3 hours ago

Apparently he deserved to be punched because he's 'South American' and 'probably said something'

Twerps!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on April 26, 2016, 12:37:50 PM
Thought Yacob was on his game last night another good performance.
If only he had legs he'd be a world beater, but then again he wouldn't be here.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: liverbaggie on April 26, 2016, 02:55:23 PM
I thought that he had a tremendous game last night, don't care what Brazil/Redknapp have got to say they are  irellivant and they don't know if Claudio said anything anyway pure assumption and conjecture for the delectation of talk carp listeners. Ali is not an angel as we all know,he is a bit of a brat isn't he ,oh sorry I cant say anything about a Spurs player they are all great and untouchable are they not.
However I am sure that if it was a Spurs player who had been punched in the stomach that they would have gone down rolling around trying to get a player sent off.

Claudio should be applauded for his conduct a proper player and one whom I am proud to call a baggie.

Also considering they are this young talented ones for the future team they couldn't beat the oldest team in the premier could they?

In fact we could have beaten them, oh dear, what they would have said then, Spurs were under par etc nothing would be written how well we played.

W,e are a proper club we know who we are and we don't care.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on April 26, 2016, 03:00:56 PM
Claudio 'too 'ard to mention the punch'

You got to love this guy  :D

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-hardman-tough-11244077?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 26, 2016, 04:54:01 PM
If this Alli guy can't cope with a bit of professional domestic 'stick', then he shouldn't be anywhere near an international tournament.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: smosher34 on April 26, 2016, 06:45:09 PM
they was also saying Yacob was winding Ali up so should show the replays of why he reacted like he did .
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Jack Thrust on September 29, 2016, 04:24:26 PM
Just signed a new 2 year contract, great news :)

Link to the Official Site: http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/west-brom-albion-claudio-yacob-new-contract-premier-league-3336756.aspx (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/west-brom-albion-claudio-yacob-new-contract-premier-league-3336756.aspx)

I had forgotten he was a free transfer, what a bargain!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 29, 2016, 04:27:32 PM
Good news that
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 29, 2016, 04:36:31 PM
Superb news. Even less reason to extend Fletcher now.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 29, 2016, 04:43:31 PM
Superb news. Even less reason to extend Fletcher now.

Agreed, we've got Field too, Morrison there too. And if we're looking to buy there as well...
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wba13 on September 29, 2016, 04:50:49 PM
great news but leave fletch out of it
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: darbolina on September 29, 2016, 04:59:10 PM
great news but leave fletch out of it

Fletch needs to give Evans a lift from Manchester every day.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 29, 2016, 05:19:54 PM
Fletch needs to give Evans a lift from Manchester every day.

50 grand a week for a chauffeur. Sign me up.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: smethwickw on September 29, 2016, 05:21:33 PM
Fletch needs to give Evans a lift from Manchester every day.

I'd say that Fletch was more like the 'passenger'!  :D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Black Country Pride on September 29, 2016, 05:36:24 PM
Great news! Super player and seems a top bloke.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tommcneill on September 29, 2016, 06:41:57 PM
Over the moon

Love the guy and in my opinion one of the best DM's in the Prem

He really is superb
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 29, 2016, 07:18:42 PM
He's a limited footballer but ones whose abilities are vital to this side.

Happy to see him sign but the same issues in midfield remain.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: kris_boing on September 29, 2016, 09:00:35 PM
Fantastic player. As far as defensive midfielders go he's right up there in my opinion. Yes he's limited in terms of passing ability but that's not really his game and what he does do far outweighs what he doesn't.

Chuffed he's got himself a new contract.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: albion59 on September 29, 2016, 09:17:57 PM
Best news I've heard all week  :D Superb player
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tommcneill on September 29, 2016, 09:25:30 PM
I don't think he is that limited

His short range passing is as good as anyone's but his long range stuff isn't but not are any DM's I know of

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: glosterbaggie on September 29, 2016, 10:23:25 PM
Great news rate him loads.He also likes "Faggots and Peas" I believe?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: barnestormer on September 29, 2016, 11:07:35 PM
I don't think he is that limited

His short range passing is as good as anyone's but his long range stuff isn't but not are any DM's I know of
nail and head mate but hes one of ours and im pleased hes staying for the next few years
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Andio on September 29, 2016, 11:18:55 PM
Fantastic news! Such a vital player to us.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on September 29, 2016, 11:40:42 PM
I'm glad he's staying but the events of the summer show we are after a higher calibre CM who should be the mainstay of our midfield, with Yacob, Fletcher and all competing for places around him. i.e. someone of the same sort of level as Chadli, Rondon and Evans. Our midfield currently lacks someone on that level of quality.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 29, 2016, 11:46:55 PM
I'm over the moon with this. One of the best def midfielders in the League
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 29, 2016, 11:51:25 PM
Great news.
If he is happy to stay here, I am happy to have him in our team.
A solid defending mid-fielder.
Could be one of our all time greats.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: SmethDan on September 29, 2016, 11:54:00 PM
Nice one Claudio  8) .
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: socalbaggie on September 30, 2016, 01:25:13 AM
Great news this is!! I just love hearing a player say they are happy here and are thrilled to be part of the club. 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on September 30, 2016, 06:21:59 AM
Good news, at least we wont have to worry about Claudio for a few seasons
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 30, 2016, 08:50:34 AM
Great news. Superb player for us and the only 1 who does the spoiling stuff. Yes we need an upgrade in midfield but it needs to be a box to box player. Hopefully we can get someone in who will compliment Yacobs playing style.  We need the same type of partnership that Yacob had with Mulumbu.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: don1thedon on September 30, 2016, 09:00:57 AM
Great news, good on ya Claudio!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boinging_along on September 30, 2016, 12:08:38 PM
He's a limited footballer but ones whose abilities are vital to this side.

Happy to see him sign but the same issues in midfield remain.

Totally agree.  Really good move getting him to sign but he's not who you build the side around.  We do need players like Yacob, Fletcher, Brunt, JM, etc, the kind of who can definitely do a job at this level but we'd look to improve on over the next few years.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: geoff on October 01, 2016, 12:10:41 AM
Great news he has earnt it & i hope he stays with us till the end of his career. Heart of a Lion.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: barnestormer on October 01, 2016, 12:31:35 AM
one of the first 3 names on the match day first 11,the other two being rondon and chadli
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: geoff on October 01, 2016, 11:13:24 AM
one of the first 3 names on the match day first 11,the other two being rondon and chadli

And Evans  ;)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 01, 2016, 11:46:09 AM
Foster and Evans ahead of all 3...
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wba13 on October 01, 2016, 12:06:57 PM
Foster Evans Yacob Chadli and Rondon that's not a bad spine to any side makes you think dun it
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on October 03, 2016, 02:41:40 PM
Claudio is No 8 in the list for most tackles made so far this season.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: alex1 on October 04, 2016, 03:21:53 PM
Great news about Yacob. Of Course he is limited in what he can do creatively, but that is not what he's in the team for.
What you Don't need, is always to play with a second defensive midfielder next to him. One is enough, as otherwise we don't create enough of an attacking threat. 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boinging_along on October 05, 2016, 09:08:35 AM
Maybe Yacob's good form has come about because he has Fletcher along side him to help out?  Would be interesting to see how effective Yacob is when he's the only man in there.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: smethwickw on October 05, 2016, 09:39:55 AM
Maybe Yacob's good form has come about because he has Fletcher along side him to help out?  Would be interesting to see how effective Yacob is when he's the only man in there.

Maybe he's having to make even more tackles due to the amount of times Fletcher gives the ball away. :D Seriously though Yacob has been decent whoever he's played alongside. His best spells still alongside Mulumbu though IMO.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boinging_along on October 05, 2016, 11:08:19 AM
Fair point, he was excellent alongside Mulumbu but he did tend to be quite defensive as well.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: geoff on October 06, 2016, 09:52:33 AM
Fair point, he was excellent alongside Mulumbu but he did tend to be quite defensive as well.

Him being a DM then must mean he's doing his job
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boinging_along on October 06, 2016, 11:07:14 AM
Sorry, I meant Mulumbu, he got more forward than Yacob but he was still a more defensive midfielder.  We used to just play Mulumbu in their on his own.

I love Yacob as a player, but having someone sit in their alongside you is obviously going to help.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on October 06, 2016, 12:23:41 PM
Yacob evidently does his job and the fact he's got a new contract means Pulis and co, are happy with what he's doing. I still think though that whoever plays alongside him has a heavy workload and probably give the ball away due to lack of passing options......there's no danger of Yacob making forward runs to give Fletcher a passing option. It may be coincidence but Mulumbu's best spells for us came before Yacob joined and then he started giving the ball away more than he used to. I like Yacob but because he is so defensive it puts a big onus on whoever plays alongside him and it's not an easy job. We need an upgrade in CM but Fletcher's getting a bit too much stick for me.
Also, if Yacob's sole job is as a defensive shield then that makes 6 of our team with primary role as defence. If you want another sitting DM alongside Yacob that would make 7 of our team.....and we want to see better football.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 06, 2016, 08:47:37 PM
Imagine Yacob and Nzonzi
That is perfection right there..
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boinging_along on October 07, 2016, 09:43:26 AM
Imagine Yacob and Nzonzi
That is perfection right there..

What are you imagining them doing?  :o
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on October 23, 2016, 12:47:29 PM
Silly yellow card....players know refs are rightly getting stricter on dissent .....maybe he didn't fancy playing Man City.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BigFrank20 on October 23, 2016, 03:33:32 PM
Maybe missing MC, which we are unlikely to win anyway, means he now has a cleared scorecard between now and Christmas? Unless he clocks up 5 more I think it is
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: albion59 on October 23, 2016, 05:45:36 PM
Silly yellow card....players know refs are rightly getting stricter on dissent .....maybe he didn't fancy playing Man City.
why wouldn't he? I don't think for one minute that Yacob wouldn't fancy it against any team!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on October 23, 2016, 07:00:13 PM
why wouldn't he? I don't think for one minute that Yacob wouldn't fancy it against any team!
it was tongue in cheek - why argue with the ref when you are one yellow card away from a ban was the main point
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: mrvulgarity on October 24, 2016, 12:38:18 PM
Devil's advocate

Instructed to get a yellow now, miss City, ready for next important game?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wba13 on October 24, 2016, 01:46:07 PM
Don`t believe that for one minute he was`nt instructed to get a yellow its just the Yacob way.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: geoff on October 24, 2016, 01:47:15 PM
Devil's advocate

Instructed to get a yellow now, miss City, ready for next important game?

That's a valid point.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie53 on February 04, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
Apparently taken to hospital due to suspected appendicitis

Wondered why he was missing today
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: geoff on February 04, 2017, 08:32:06 PM
Hope all goes well for him & he gets back soon.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wba13 on February 04, 2017, 08:35:23 PM
Hope all ok Cluadio
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 05, 2017, 02:58:02 PM
Delighted that it was nothing serious and he'll be back in training on Monday as normal.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: barnestormer on February 05, 2017, 03:05:33 PM
Delighted that it was nothing serious and he'll be back in training on Monday as normal.
yep claudio has a job on to displace jake after yesterdays performance though
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Beefy on February 05, 2017, 06:34:09 PM
Matt Wilson ‏@mattwilson_star  4h4 hours ago
More
Yacob is out of hospital. His suspected appendicitis turned out to be stomach cramps of some kind. Due in training as normal tomorrow. #wba
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggiejohn on February 05, 2017, 06:44:12 PM
yep claudio has a job on to displace jake after yesterdays performance though

Different players, Claudio Yacob is a sitting player, Jake Livermore likes to get forward. I'd imagine it will be horses for courses.

Yacob will be used if there's a containment strategy, Livermore for a more expansive one
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheBrom on February 05, 2017, 07:21:28 PM
Different players, Claudio Yacob is a sitting player, Jake Livermore likes to get forward. I'd imagine it will be horses for courses.

Yacob will be used if there's a containment strategy, Livermore for a more expansive one

I thought this too, but Livermore was definitely setup behind Fletcher at kick offs and when we didn't have the ball. Obviously has the legs to get forward and back though, meaning Fletcher dropped behind when he got forward
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggiejohn on February 05, 2017, 07:59:22 PM
I thought this too, but Livermore was definitely setup behind Fletcher at kick offs and when we didn't have the ball. Obviously has the legs to get forward and back though, meaning Fletcher dropped behind when he got forward

Agreed, that's what's different now though, there's a confidence there to mix & match, it wasn't there last season.
IMO we shouldn't underestimate Darren Fletcher's capacity for guile & subterfuge, it's that which releases other players to do what they do.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Bigrob80 on February 05, 2017, 09:46:55 PM
Was it Yacob that dropped Saido in the s@£t then? 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: milton on February 28, 2017, 03:07:34 AM
A superb video showing the Argentinian supporters Claudio left behind to join the Albion. 

12 years a loyal servant at Racing Club, with adoring fans, yet in his interviews, it strikes me that he is a very humble man.  He chipped in with a goal in every 20 appearances for Racing. In 2011 he played for Diego Simeone, who later as we know left for Atletico Madrid

The commentators alone will bring a smile to your face!   :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8psdENuOuM



Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 28, 2017, 08:40:10 AM
He's good in the air. His header v arsenal was class. Surprised we don't put him up for more set pieces
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Morany on February 28, 2017, 09:40:04 AM
He's good in the air. His header v arsenal was class. Surprised we don't put him up for more set pieces

Always thought that, especially as he's probably the slowest on the field so leaving him back makes no sense
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mikkyk on February 28, 2017, 10:30:03 AM
He's good in the air. His header v arsenal was class. Surprised we don't put him up for more set pieces

His miss away at Arsenal from a corner was pretty poor though.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boinging_along on February 28, 2017, 10:41:04 AM
Are people saying Yacob is good in the air?  :D

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: SmethDan on February 28, 2017, 12:00:44 PM
A superb video showing the Argentinian supporters Claudio left behind to join the Albion. 

12 years a loyal servant at Racing Club, with adoring fans, yet in his interviews, it strikes me that he is a very humble man.  He chipped in with a goal in every 20 appearances for Racing. In 2011 he played for Diego Simeone, who later as we know left for Atletico Madrid

The commentators alone will bring a smile to your face!   :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8psdENuOuM

Cheers bud', really enjoyed that.

Claudio Yacob, the goal getter  8) .
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WoysWunderful on February 28, 2017, 06:11:50 PM
Have a feeling he might be off in the summer :(

I reckon we could get a good fee for him mind.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: caravanc58 on February 28, 2017, 06:34:30 PM
Have a feeling he might be off in the summer :(

I reckon we could get a good fee for him mind.
He signed a new contract in September for 2 years and a further 1 year option so I hope he's here for a while, with todays prices replacing Yacob would cost a few bob.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albionic on February 28, 2017, 06:37:40 PM
A superb video showing the Argentinian supporters Claudio left behind to join the Albion. 

12 years a loyal servant at Racing Club, with adoring fans, yet in his interviews, it strikes me that he is a very humble man.  He chipped in with a goal in every 20 appearances for Racing. In 2011 he played for Diego Simeone, who later as we know left for Atletico Madrid

The commentators alone will bring a smile to your face!   :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8psdENuOuM

great vid thanks, the atmosphere in those Argentinian games must be something incredible to experience.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on February 28, 2017, 06:51:47 PM
Have a feeling he might be off in the summer :(

I reckon we could get a good fee for him mind.
Possibly - if we are now playing two CMs with more box to box capability, there's a chance that Sam Field next season could be 1st in line to step in if either Fletcher or Livermore is injured. I doubt we'll actively look to offload him, more a case that it could happen if someone comes in with a deal that suits Yacob and the club.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie53 on February 28, 2017, 07:00:34 PM
After watching both videos I can't help wondering if that was his identical twin.
All those assists, goal attempts, goals and forward passes  :o :o
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: halifax_baggie on March 01, 2017, 08:30:04 PM
Seems to me that Yacob is contrained by the system and role he is asked to play not his undoubted grater skills to contribute more :o
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on March 01, 2017, 10:46:39 PM
Seems to me that Yacob is contrained by the system and role he is asked to play not his undoubted grater skills to contribute more :o
Maybe, but if it was just a matter of being constrained by the system I think we might have seen a few more glimpses of the more expansive player over the past 3 or 4 years. Premier league football today has to be very different to his home league of 4 or 5 years ago.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: vrabbit on May 17, 2017, 11:56:51 PM
where do most people stand on Claudio? To me he's a pitbull near the ball which I love in a defensive midfielder but has that McClean trait of always being in danger for a booking. I also cringe any time he ventures to pass the ball further than 5 yards. He's PL talent for me but someone who would be more effective off the bench than starting. I find it that a lot of fans lately call for him to start in large part because of how (rightfully) fed up they are with Fletcher, but I'd rather start Livermore/Fields to keep Yacob as an option for the second half.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 18, 2017, 12:11:47 AM
where do most people stand on Claudio? To me he's a pitbull near the ball which I love in a defensive midfielder but has that McClean trait of always being in danger for a booking. I also cringe any time he ventures to pass the ball further than 5 yards. He's PL talent for me but someone who would be more effective off the bench than starting. I find it that a lot of fans lately call for him to start in large part because of how (rightfully) fed up they are with Fletcher, but I'd rather start Livermore/Fields to keep Yacob as an option for the second half.
Yacob is different to the other CDM's in our team in that he is a genuine Defensive midfielder, rather than a Cm who can defend.

He plays the "Makelele role", destroys the opposition attack then finds a short pass to a creative/offensive player to start a counter offensive.This worked well when he first arrived as he had Mulumbu or Morrison to drive ball up the pitch.

Problem now is his creative player Is Darren Fletcher...who is himself a passer, which isn't useful if there is nobody to pass to.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wba_1996 on May 18, 2017, 12:12:23 AM
where do most people stand on Claudio? To me he's a pitbull near the ball which I love in a defensive midfielder but has that McClean trait of always being in danger for a booking. I also cringe any time he ventures to pass the ball further than 5 yards. He's PL talent for me but someone who would be more effective off the bench than starting. I find it that a lot of fans lately call for him to start in large part because of how (rightfully) fed up they are with Fletcher, but I'd rather start Livermore/Fields to keep Yacob as an option for the second half.

Very good defensive midfielder in a 2 alongside someone who will run around and pass it a bit, was at his best alongside Mulumbu a few years ago. The problem is that Fletcher can neither run nor pass, which means that we have nobody to make up for Yacob's shortcomings in those departments. Its at a point now where the whole midfield is so deep that there is little point in playing a defensive midfielder, he is just another body in the way.

Our best midfield 2 would be Yacob and Livermore, but unless we get the 3 in front to play like attacking midfielders then there will be no difference regardless of who plays, because there are never any passing options and it eventually just gets lumped at Rondon's neck.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Barrington on September 11, 2017, 03:28:53 PM
It's been a while, but where is Yacob? Did we really need to get another player in on loan who would maybe freeze him out? He's one of our best players in this system. Over-kill in defensive midfield, that's us.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie82 on September 11, 2017, 06:51:18 PM
He is the best defensive midfielder we have, brilliant at closing down the opposition and protecting the back four. Our record with and without him is stark in terms of average points per game. We dropped off last season when Livermore replaced him. He should be one of the first names on the team sheet. Not sure why we signed Barry, Livermore and Krychowiak to effectively replace Fletcher! Over-loaded in the middle now and short of a quality of striker up-front. Manager is responsible for that. Be interesting to see if Yacob finds a way back.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Chipperfan on September 11, 2017, 07:09:46 PM
The non-selection of Yacob alone just demonstrates to me that Pulis is a plank. I have gone back and forth on him, but really, that team selection on Saturday just tops everything.

Four centre halves, three defensive midfielders and the best one we have on the bench.

Joke.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Sted1990 on September 11, 2017, 09:49:32 PM
If we're going to play defensive away from home, this man should be the first man on the team sheet. He's great at what he does and you know exactly what you're getting.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Legend on September 11, 2017, 10:00:46 PM
Barry is a better player than Yacob and you can't play both.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: kris_boing on September 11, 2017, 10:01:06 PM
Yacob is very poor on the ball. I can see why Pulis wanted to bring in someone who can use the ball better. In theory now we have midfielders who are better on the ball now that Yacob and Fletcher have been replaced by Barry and Krychoviak. They are a definite upgrade albeit temporary.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: vrabbit on September 11, 2017, 10:14:16 PM
I really like Claudio but his passing past 5 yards is often erratic and he's a yellow waiting to happen. But he should be an option on the bench.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: halifax_baggie on September 15, 2017, 09:32:01 PM
He is the best defensive midfielder we have, brilliant at closing down the opposition and protecting the back four. Our record with and without him is stark in terms of average points per game. We dropped off last season when Livermore replaced him. He should be one of the first names on the team sheet. Not sure why we signed Barry, Livermore and Krychowiak to effectively replace Fletcher! Over-loaded in the middle now and short of a quality of striker up-front. Manager is responsible for that. Be interesting to see if Yacob finds a way back.

Best defensive midfielder without doubt, with Barry &  Krychowiak we don't need to pick Livermore, slot Morrison in front and we become more mobile - games a good un
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 22, 2017, 04:25:43 PM
For goodness sake, get him back in the team. Our current midfield setup is not working. Claudio has his limitations, but is better than the ineffective Livermore, the aging Barry, and Gregorgz who has brought nothing to the table. Boufal would not have scored his "wonder goal" if Claudio had been on the pitch. No "after you Sofiane" from Yacob.
 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: NathWBA on October 22, 2017, 04:42:15 PM
For goodness sake, get him back in the team. Our current midfield setup is not working. Claudio has his limitations, but is better than the ineffective Livermore, the aging Barry, and Gregorgz who has brought nothing to the table. Boufal would not have scored his "wonder goal" if Claudio had been on the pitch. No "after you Sofiane" from Yacob.
you’ve been watching a different grzegorz to me if you think he’s brought nothing to the table since signing, he’s looked composed, won the vast majority of his challenges and plays forward, Barry has also looked solid. The only player I wouldn’t want to see near our midfield is Livermore.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: albion59 on October 22, 2017, 04:43:09 PM
Everyone knows how I feel about Yacob should be the first name on the team sheet every game get him back in! Pulis out.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 22, 2017, 04:55:23 PM
you’ve been watching a different grzegorz to me if you think he’s brought nothing to the table since signing, he’s looked composed, won the vast majority of his challenges and plays forward, Barry has also looked solid. The only player I wouldn’t want to see near our midfield is Livermore.
I must admit i should have written "he has brought nothing to the table to substantiate his reported £108,000 per week payment". Furthermore if that salary is true, then the Chairman needs to sack himself. 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dexy on October 22, 2017, 05:07:49 PM
 Easy to forget how much Yacob gives us overall when his trademark bad pass happens , needs to be back in the side in front of that back four.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: alex1 on October 22, 2017, 06:11:44 PM
Maybe Yacob would have got his foot in yesterday to stop the goal, but that's not our main problem at the moment. It's about setting up chances at the other end, which is where our problems are. It's no good Pulis going on about missing a single chance. Any other side with the talent we have available, should be setting up many  more chances. Every team misses chances.
 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on October 22, 2017, 06:27:33 PM
I'd pick Barry every time over Yacob for his better use of the ball and ability to slot a telling pass and I don't think we want to pick both. Barry wasn't on the pitch when the goal was scored yesterday. OK we may not be keeping clean sheets mainly through errors but it's the offensive side of the team that's the biggest problem.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: albion59 on October 22, 2017, 08:27:30 PM
I'd pick Barry every time over Yacob for his better use of the ball and ability to slot a telling pass and I don't think we want to pick both. Barry wasn't on the pitch when the goal was scored yesterday. OK we may not be keeping clean sheets mainly through errors but it's the offensive side of the team that's the biggest problem.
We can't score and we can't stop the other team's from scoring! That is a recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on October 22, 2017, 08:33:33 PM
We can't score and we can't stop the other team's from scoring! That is a recipe for disaster.
I have noticed - but we are not shipping a crazy amount of goals....could say that only in the Brighton game did we have a notably bad day defensively.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 23, 2017, 09:47:39 AM
Yacob should be one of the first names on the team sheet in my opinion. We all know his limitations with a lack of pace and his questionable passing ability if he tries to knock it more than 10 yards but no one protects the back four like he does. We always look more solid with him in there shielding the back line and it is surely proven now that a central midfield three of Barry, Livermore and Krychowiak simply doesn't work so one if not two need to be dropped.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheBrom on October 23, 2017, 10:30:09 AM
Think we'll see him start against city with greg and Livermore. Afraid it'll be more of a holding 3 though rather than a more dynamic setup with one getting further forward.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 23, 2017, 07:44:46 PM
If we're going to prat about with our midfield on top of our back four then we may as well have Yacob in there actually breaking up the play. I keep hearing people say he is in poor in possession but the whole bloody team is! And what's the point in playing possession when your sole purpose is to hoof the ball own the channel.

I'd rather see Yacob next to Barry with Polish Greg playing further forward. The current set up with Livermore who offers absolutely nothing does not work. At least you can see the redeeming features of Barry and Greg and the quality they have.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: vrabbit on October 23, 2017, 07:49:15 PM
Livermore should only see minutes from the bench as needed and Barry's form seems to be a bit down. I wouldn't mind seeing Yacob and Greg paired in the 4231. Play true fullbacks, true wingers, and Chadli as a true attacking midfielder behind Rondon or whoever you want up front. There's absolutely no need to be playing three central midfielders.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: SmethDan on October 23, 2017, 07:53:57 PM
Livermore should only see minutes from the bench as needed and Barry's form seems to be a bit down. I wouldn't mind seeing Yacob and Greg paired in the 4231. Play true fullbacks, true wingers, and Chadli as a true attacking midfielder behind Rondon or whoever you want up front. There's absolutely no need to be playing three central midfielders.

Might not have to worry about Barry's dip in form over the short term.

He's reportedly got a back strain and is a slight doubt for Saturday.

Meanwhile, Evans and Dawson are rated as major doubts.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c22
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albionic on October 23, 2017, 08:05:03 PM
A certain Mr Irvine chose to relegate Yacob to the bench, look at how that worked out.
Midfield should have Yac and Greg as defensive pairing. We shouldn't play 3 DMF
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on October 23, 2017, 08:30:02 PM
Greg is a box to box CM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albionic on October 23, 2017, 08:32:42 PM
Greg is a box to box CM
He has played DMF and CH, from what I have seen he would work well as a partner for Yacob
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on October 23, 2017, 08:44:11 PM
He has played DMF and CH, from what I have seen he would work well as a partner for Yacob
Well maybe but depends if you think Yacob is better than Barry...I don't personally. I'm a bit bemused about why Yacob is getting pushed so much since Saturday. Leaking goals through the centre is the least of our problems...one wonder goal on Saturday when Barry wasn't on the pitch.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: geoff on October 24, 2017, 11:19:11 AM
If we're going to prat about with our midfield on top of our back four then we may as well have Yacob in there actually breaking up the play. I keep hearing people say he is in poor in possession but the whole bloody team is! And what's the point in playing possession when your sole purpose is to hoof the ball own the channel.

I'd rather see Yacob next to Barry with Polish Greg playing further forward. The current set up with Livermore who offers absolutely nothing does not work. At least you can see the redeeming features of Barry and Greg and the quality they have.

Good post & one i 100% agree with, Jake isnt firing on all cylinders
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: albion59 on October 28, 2017, 07:28:45 PM
It's a crime that he doesn't start >:(
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie82 on October 29, 2017, 03:47:05 PM
I've just spent 20 minutes going through the stats since the start of 2016/17 to date, including all the games this season.

Yacob has started 28 games from which we have got 36 points. Average of 1.29 points per game which is 49 points per season with him.

Compare that with 20 games he hasn't started from which we have got 19 points. Average of 0.95 points per game which is 36 points per season without him.

That's a huge 13 point swing based on the last 48 premiership matches. Bearing in mind Yacob has only started once this season and we have played only 2 clubs from the top 5 the difference is probably a bit larger than that as the kind fixture list of 2017/18 swings it further.

49 points last season would have got us 8th as well against 45 points and 10th place finish. Whereas our average without him of 36 points is just 2 points above relegated Hull  :o
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Standaman on October 29, 2017, 05:55:19 PM
I've just spent 20 minutes going through the stats since the start of 2016/17 to date, including all the games this season.

Yacob has started 28 games from which we have got 36 points. Average of 1.29 points per game which is 49 points per season with him.

Compare that with 20 games he hasn't started from which we have got 19 points. Average of 0.95 points per game which is 36 points per season without him.

That's a huge 13 point swing based on the last 48 premiership matches. Bearing in mind Yacob has only started once this season and we have played only 2 clubs from the top 5 the difference is probably a bit larger than that as the kind fixture list of 2017/18 swings it further.

49 points last season would have got us 8th as well against 45 points and 10th place finish. Whereas our average without him of 36 points is just 2 points above relegated Hull  :o

Correlation does not prove causation. For what it's worth if our 3 in the midfield are mainly there to block off the channels rather make any attacking or creative contribution Yacob does that better than any of the current 3 and while they all have a better range of passing than Yacob if it isn't being used we lose nothing going forward and gain something defensively.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on October 29, 2017, 05:59:26 PM
Correlation does not prove causation. For what it's worth if our 3 in the midfield are mainly there to block off the channels rather make any attacking or creative contribution Yacob does that better than any of the current 3 and while they all have a better range of passing than Yacob if it isn't being used we lose nothing going forward and gain something defensively.
even if it's not being used as effectively as we might like, Barry had a big hand in both goals yesterday and has slotted some nice balls through in previous games.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: stubba on October 29, 2017, 08:11:33 PM
You could make the same case for Brunty & G Mac we won more games when they play.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie82 on October 29, 2017, 10:15:43 PM
For what it's worth I agree we are more successful with Brunt and Gmac in the team. They should be playing alongside Yacob.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 29, 2017, 10:23:36 PM
Señor Yacob ... Primero
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: ripryan1971 on October 29, 2017, 10:24:58 PM
I've just spent 20 minutes going through the stats since the start of 2016/17 to date, including all the games this season.

Yacob has started 28 games from which we have got 36 points. Average of 1.29 points per game which is 49 points per season with him.

Compare that with 20 games he hasn't started from which we have got 19 points. Average of 0.95 points per game which is 36 points per season without him.

That's a huge 13 point swing based on the last 48 premiership matches. Bearing in
mind Yacob has only started once this season and we have played only 2 clubs from the top 5 the difference is probably a bit larger than that as the kind fixture list of 2017/18 swings it further.

49 points last season would have got us 8th as well against 45 points and 10th place finish. Whereas our average without him of 36 points is just 2 points above relegated Hull  :o


Brilliant Post Baggie82, totally how I feel. First thing Pulis did when he took over, was to bring Yacob back in the team, was a wise move. Now because he's trying to find a better type of midfield player, Yacob has made way but for me he's the best at the club in that role.

Every game I watch and I can't work out what Livermore brings, he can't hold like Yacob, and he can't get forward, some days I think he's as slow as Yacob. So why play him?  Yacob holding, Barry and Greg either side, slightly more forward.

We've got to start getting those clean sheets back, we aren't going to outscore teams every week. This has got to happen next weekend, otherwise could be trouble ahead.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie82 on October 29, 2017, 10:40:05 PM
We've got to start getting those clean sheets back, we aren't going to outscore teams every week. This has got to happen next weekend, otherwise could be trouble ahead.

I think that's a very good point. Pulis has averaged just under a goal a game during his entire premier league managerial career, so unless we start keeping clean sheets we're not going to pick up points consistently. Hence its madness not to pick the best defensive midfielder we have to shield the back four, which is clearly Yacob.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: ripryan1971 on October 29, 2017, 10:55:23 PM
Yeah exactly. The other issue is the set piece goals have dried up. When you have Brunt and Phillips both sitting on the bench we maybe haven't got the quality from those areas.

Sometimes we might only get 1-2 corners and I'm not saying Brunt is perfect, but we all know the quality he produces.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Black Country Pride on October 29, 2017, 11:47:09 PM
Too right Yacob should be starting. Absolutely brilliant at what he does and bloody miles better than Livermore (Gardner must have passed on to him whatever blackmail material he had on TP) as a DM.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Barrington on October 30, 2017, 12:00:35 AM
It's almost as if, when Pulis splashes a bit of money around, he loses vision of who his most important players are, even when he tries to play the same kind of football. Yacob should never be dropped for the likes of Livermore etc. I don't think it's a myth that we've generally done better things when Yacob has been in the team. It's not too late for Tone to admit that he's got it wrong and bring Yacob back ASAP (like I suggested weeks ago on here).
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tommcneill on October 30, 2017, 12:41:02 AM
Ive always advocated for Yacob, he is the best at what he does at our club and one of the best in the league

Much prefer him to Livermore
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: alex1 on October 30, 2017, 04:33:25 PM
I like Yacob but he is a victim of the club being overloaded with defensive midfielders. Even Pulis doesn't want to play 4 defensive midfielders. I think there should be an absolute maximum of 2 defensive midfielders.
Yacob is great at pinching the ball and feeding a short pass to someone who is more creative. His problem is that he offers nothing else.  You hardly ever see him playing a 20 metre pass setting up a goalscoring chance, and I can only remember him geting on the score sheet once.
Feel sorry for him, and think he still has a future at the club, but when you have other defensive midfielders with more in their locker, he becomes a bit of a luxury. 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on October 30, 2017, 05:04:18 PM
I like Yacob but he is a victim of the club being overloaded with defensive midfielders. Even Pulis doesn't want to play 4 defensive midfielders. I think there should be an absolute maximum of 2 defensive midfielders.
Yacob is great at pinching the ball and feeding a short pass to someone who is more creative. His problem is that he offers nothing else.  You hardly ever see him playing a 20 metre pass setting up a goalscoring chance, and I can only remember him geting on the score sheet once.
Feel sorry for him, and think he still has a future at the club, but when you have other defensive midfielders with more in their locker, he becomes a bit of a luxury.

Like Livermore you mean?  ???
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: alex1 on October 30, 2017, 06:23:27 PM
Like Livermore you mean?  ???
Livermore offers more going forward, has more of a goal threat, but then, that's not too difficult. 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie82 on October 30, 2017, 07:48:28 PM
Livermore offers more going forward, has more of a goal threat, but then, that's not too difficult.

I'm struggling to recall all those goals and assists Livermore has provided? Strange that.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: seteefeet on October 31, 2017, 09:39:07 AM
It's almost as if, when Pulis splashes a bit of money around, he loses vision of who his most important players are, even when he tries to play the same kind of football. Yacob should never be dropped for the likes of Livermore etc. I don't think it's a myth that we've generally done better things when Yacob has been in the team. It's not too late for Tone to admit that he's got it wrong and bring Yacob back ASAP (like I suggested weeks ago on here).
This is what I don't get. Yacob is by far the best suited to Pulisball. No possession, so his erratic passing doesn't show, but his break up play disturbs the oppo's possession, thus protecting the back 4..
I agree with you, I think Pulis has lost track of his best 11 and is shoe-horning players in that are not really suited.
Seen nothing from Livermore to suggest that he offers anything defensively, but is not great going forward either.
Barry can pick a pass, but we have so little of the ball he is mainly chasing shadows and doesn't have the legs of Yacob.
Greg is the only one that could keep him out of the side for me, but that would be if we only played 1 which will never happen.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: The Joust on October 31, 2017, 12:51:30 PM
Livermore offers more going forward, has more of a goal threat, but then, that's not too difficult.

You're WIDE off the mark there imo
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 31, 2017, 01:15:37 PM
I like Yacob but he is a victim of the club being overloaded with defensive midfielders. Even Pulis doesn't want to play 4 defensive midfielders. I think there should be an absolute maximum of 2 defensive midfielders.
Yacob is great at pinching the ball and feeding a short pass to someone who is more creative. His problem is that he offers nothing else.  You hardly ever see him playing a 20 metre pass setting up a goalscoring chance, and I can only remember him geting on the score sheet once.
Feel sorry for him, and think he still has a future at the club, but when you have other defensive midfielders with more in their locker, he becomes a bit of a luxury.

Yacob has scored 2 goals for us, against Arsenal about 3 years ago and Man City in the league cup about 6 weeks ago.

You say he offers nothing else other than pinching the ball and feeding a short pass to someone who is more creative. What's wrong with that? At least he does find a team mate with the ball.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: ashdoy on October 31, 2017, 02:57:08 PM
Yacob has scored 2 goals for us, against Arsenal about 3 years ago and Man City in the league cup about 6 weeks ago.

You say he offers nothing else other than pinching the ball and feeding a short pass to someone who is more creative. What's wrong with that? At least he does find a team mate with the ball.

He still offers more than Livermore!

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie53 on October 31, 2017, 08:13:05 PM
Yacob has scored 2 goals for us, against Arsenal about 3 years ago and Man City in the league cup about 6 weeks ago.

You say he offers nothing else other than pinching the ball and feeding a short pass to someone who is more creative. What's wrong with that? At least he does find a team mate with the ball.
When you look at the videos when he played in Argentina he was much more progressive, with a few goals and assists
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: mulliganstired on October 31, 2017, 08:28:20 PM
He still offers more than Livermore!
so does a plank of wood
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on October 31, 2017, 09:16:25 PM
When you look at the videos when he played in Argentina he was much more progressive, with a few goals and assists
Yes but we have about 5 years of premier league action to go by which is far more intense and higher standard than the Argentine league of 6 or 7 years back.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie53 on October 31, 2017, 10:31:34 PM
Yes but we have about 5 years of premier league action to go by which is far more intense and higher standard than the Argentine league of 6 or 7 years back.
But good enough to break into the Argentina team
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: ripryan1971 on October 31, 2017, 10:38:02 PM
I'm just hoping this weekend Pulis just remembers the day he took over, sitting in the stand at West Ham. Half Time going down to the dressing room and bringing on Yacob, who had been frozen out by Irvine. Next game Hull at home 1-0, then a brilliant Yacob display, 0-0 away to Everton. It's exactly what we need Saturday.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on November 01, 2017, 06:33:04 AM
I 've said it on numerous occasions, if Yacob had another Yard of pace he'd be playing for one of the top six teams in this league.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Standaman on November 01, 2017, 08:51:39 PM
The personnel change but the problem remains the same. Defensively Yacob works but the irony of ironies in Pulisball he doesn't work offensively.

Tactically Yacob is a screening defensive midfielder. Typically he breaks up play and covers the oppositions counters when we are attacking. Offensively when he has the ball he is often is starting the move with a short pass and makes himself available for a return ball. That is what he does and he does it very well.

Where things fall down he needs to be partnered with a dynamic box to box midfielder who will take the initial pass and move the ball forward but also is able to recover the ball further up the pitch which allows Yacob to sit deep player. Partner him with anything else and the midfield doesn't work either Yacob is overloaded with defensive work or we don't have the players in the midfield to get us forward.

Under Pulisball that initial 5 yard pass is not what is required. It implies that you will work the ball through the midfield but Pulisball requires the ball to be moved forward quickly but avoiding the central areas of the pitch and this requires a longer pass down the wide channels which is a much more difficult ball to get right, Yacob is the player least likely to do this.

The current midfield 3 does not work nor did what proceeded it, we seem to have no combination that works with the head coach's tactics. Bringing Yacob in solves one problem but leaves us with another who to partner him with?  I don't like any of the options particularly.

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on November 01, 2017, 09:11:56 PM
I'll also say that IF he is better than Barry defensively it's marginal....but when it comes to passing ability and doing something constructive it's no contest. They can't both play and it has to be Barry who gets the nod. For our team structure and mobility I don't think it's a choice between Yacob and Livermore as has been suggested, it's a choice between Yacob and Barry.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie82 on November 01, 2017, 10:32:33 PM
I'll also say that IF he is better than Barry defensively it's marginal....but when it comes to passing ability and doing something constructive it's no contest.

I disagree 110%. You only have to look at Barry weak effort to close down and block Fernandinho's goal last weekend which he turned his back on. Yacob is comfortably the best defensive midfielder we have and one of the best in the league at shielding the back four and breaking-up play.

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on November 02, 2017, 07:51:00 AM
I disagree 110%. You only have to look at Barry weak effort to close down and block Fernandinho's goal last weekend which he turned his back on. Yacob is comfortably the best defensive midfielder we have and one of the best in the league at shielding the back four and breaking-up play.
Barry was moving across and did not turn his back on it.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 02, 2017, 08:32:31 AM
Barry was moving across and did not turn his back on it.

Indeed, he is trying to close Fernandinho down coming in from the side, definitely doesn't turn his back.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie82 on November 04, 2017, 05:10:17 PM
Another game without Yacob and another defeat. Livermore failed to close down Van La Parra 25 yards out. If only we had a reliable defensive midfielder who could sense danger and shield the back four...
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mister AT on November 04, 2017, 05:12:30 PM
Pulis tried to sell Yacob in the summer.

Ain’t surprised he’s not getting a game. Our team is crying out for Claudio.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Chipperfan on November 04, 2017, 08:41:55 PM
Pulis tried to sell Yacob in the summer.

Ain’t surprised he’s not getting a game. Our team is crying out for Claudio.

While I realise Pulis has forgotten more about running a football team than I will ever know, I still think he’s an idiot. Not picking Claudio proves it.

Pulis out.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: kris_boing on November 04, 2017, 08:49:54 PM
I can't fathom for the life of me why Pulis decided that Yacob needed replacing.

Don't get me wrong I think Yacob is limited when he uses the ball and his passing ability is at best average but  the way Pulis sets us up with the lack of passing and creativity (intentionally I reckon) then Yacob is perfect in that destroyer role.

I don't think we should have spent probably more than 150k a week in wages of Greg, Barry & Livermore to replace what Yacob offers.  That money has been squandered and would have been better focused on other positions.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 04, 2017, 09:54:05 PM
I can't fathom for the life of me why Pulis decided that Yacob needed replacing.

Don't get me wrong I think Yacob is limited when he uses the ball and his passing ability is at best average but  the way Pulis sets us up with the lack of passing and creativity (intentionally I reckon) then Yacob is perfect in that destroyer role.

I don't think we should have spent probably more than 150k a week in wages of Greg, Barry & Livermore to replace what Yacob offers.  That money has been squandered and would have been better focused on other positions.
I don't think he's an idiot, I don't like his methods or end product but TP has run his career his way and done very well (for himself)
Yacob is one of my favourite ever baggies, but his passing ain't brilliant, which means next to him(if you play a passer like Barry) there is no "legs" which is why he goes for the pole and /or Livermore over Claudio
Personally I'd be more front foot attack, then Claudio could com in as a screener, but at the moment he wouldn't make much difference.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tommcneill on November 04, 2017, 10:13:51 PM
always said Claudio is one of the best in the country at his job

His short passing is fine 5-10 yds....thats what you need from your DM

Yacob for Livermore push Barry and Greg forward more
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: CL3MO on November 05, 2017, 11:21:01 AM
always said Claudio is one of the best in the country at his job

His short passing is fine 5-10 yds....thats what you need from your DM

Yacob for Livermore push Barry and Greg forward more

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Yacob to come back into the team, but you still want to play three holding midfielders, after what we've already seen?  :o
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: vrabbit on December 04, 2017, 05:05:23 PM
read today AP is likely to start Yacob this week instead of Barry who picked up a small injury. I'm all for that but would like to see Livermore dropped. I'm hopeful Phillips/Brunt can return this weekend and they can play with Rodriguez/Rondon as a front-2 or 1-1.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 04, 2017, 05:34:49 PM
read today AP is likely to start Yacob this week instead of Barry who picked up a small injury. I'm all for that but would like to see Livermore dropped. I'm hopeful Phillips/Brunt can return this weekend and they can play with Rodriguez/Rondon as a front-2 or 1-1.

As I said before the Palace game, it should be:

Yacob

Krycho   Field

Livermore offers absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: vrabbit on December 04, 2017, 05:41:11 PM
As I said before the Palace game, it should be:

Yacob

Krycho   Field

Livermore offers absolutely nothing.

I could have lived with that under Pulis but I'm hopeful we won't play 3 CM's once the roster starts to get healthier. Before the kid's performances recently I would had liked to see Yacob/Krycho in front of the back 4 but Field is a must in the XI for me right now.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Backofthenet on December 04, 2017, 06:18:32 PM
Yes about time - someone who appears to know what he's doing.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: section5 on December 13, 2017, 09:56:06 PM
Anybody else think yacob was an absolute beast today and pretty much every time he plays. So glad he's back in the 11
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on December 13, 2017, 09:57:04 PM
Anybody else think yacob was an absolute beast today and pretty much every time he plays. So glad he's back in the 11

Yeah he had a cracking game today, i reckon Livermore should be dropped for Field and thats a good midfield
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: frazzle on December 13, 2017, 09:57:11 PM
Superb tonight. His passing was better too. I honestly think that by playing him, we are able to play a more attacking game as his cover is so good we can balance the team with more forward players.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie82 on December 13, 2017, 10:08:22 PM
Yes, MOM for me. Some brilliant interceptions and tigerish tackling, he reads the game and spots danger brilliantly. Plus he never seems to lose a fifty fifty. Madness that Barry was playing with Claudio on the bench. Thought the Pole did well alongside him as well. He benefited from having a few more players breaking past him to pass to.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 13, 2017, 10:13:55 PM
Man of the match tonight
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Regis Rocket on December 13, 2017, 10:20:26 PM
Glad to see yacob back to his immense best!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 14, 2017, 12:23:49 AM
If this lad had played every game we'd be sitting pretty. Pulis' biggest mistake. 10 out of 10 tonight, didn't even get booked I don't think  :-X
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: liverbaggie on December 14, 2017, 12:27:39 AM
Top man,never complains,only when he's playing!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Backofthenet on December 14, 2017, 07:32:50 AM
AS I and many before have said , we do better when Claudio plays.
Admittedly he's not the most creative, but every team needs someone to do the dirty work. If he was at a top 6 club the pundits would all be raving about him. Long may he last in the team
I was right about Klopp too - one trick pony !!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: ripryan1971 on December 14, 2017, 07:43:03 AM
Going back to previous posts in October about the amount of points Yacob gets when he's in the team, last night summed it up again. Nobody fills in those gaps and spots danger better than Yacob, he was top quality tonight. I was one of the ones backing Pulis near enough to the end, however dropping him, i believe, was one of the main reasons we started to conceed more goals.

It's simple if you conceed goals you cant get points, no matter what the fans moan about our goal scoring, you can score 2 goals and attack all night long, but you can still lose the game. Clean sheet guarantee's you 1 point, and its a platform to build on.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: barnestormer on December 14, 2017, 09:45:18 AM
If this lad had played every game we'd be sitting pretty. Pulis' biggest mistake. 10 out of 10 tonight, didn't even get booked I don't think  :-X
Yes pulis' self destruct in insisting on shoeing in the Pole over Claudio,its no surprise we are better again with the Yac back
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: ronnie_allen on December 14, 2017, 10:02:03 AM
Immense.

Also seemed a somewhat unusual game in one aspect. Did he give away any frees? Seemed to win about four or five for us.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: caravanc58 on December 14, 2017, 10:49:59 AM
Just grateful he isn't the quickest player around because he wouldn't be here.daft decision not playing him in the early part of the season and even dafter to bring in Barry when we should have Got a young attacking midfielder.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: VANDERLEI on December 14, 2017, 12:18:08 PM
If this lad had played every game we'd be sitting pretty. Pulis' biggest mistake. 10 out of 10 tonight, didn't even get booked I don't think  :-X

Definitely. If it isn't broke don't fix it. Yacob is among the best DM's in the league for me. Horribly underestimated and under appreciated.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tommcneill on December 14, 2017, 12:39:57 PM
Definitely. If it isn't broke don't fix it. Yacob is among the best DM's in the league for me. Horribly underestimated and under appreciated.

Ive been saying this since he got here

Think he is massively underrated when for me he is definitely one of the best DM's in the league.

We didnt need Barry, we should have as you say used the money for a decent AM
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: SmethDan on December 14, 2017, 01:42:51 PM
Yes pulis' self destruct in insisting on shoeing in the Pole over Claudio,its no surprise we are better again with the Yac back

It was Barry who came in for Claudio, not Krychowiak.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boingboing1989 on December 14, 2017, 02:13:11 PM
That's 2 managers who've gone now because they dropped Claudio. Once again proved tonight what an absolute force he is in the middle of the park. You only have to look at opposing teams views on him (They hate him) to realise you can't drop a player like that.

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Jordie1471 on December 14, 2017, 02:21:47 PM
Man of the match yesterday by the sounds of it.

But the performance was worth so much more than that.

He will now also go down as one of the club heroes alongside Astle, Regis, Bomber for being the man that ended the reign of 'Legend' on this forum  ;)

What a legacy.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: SmethDan on December 14, 2017, 02:33:22 PM
Man of the match yesterday by the sounds of it.

But the performance was worth so much more than that.

He will now also go down as one of the club heroes alongside Astle, Regis, Bomber for being the man that ended the reign of 'Legend' on this forum  ;)

What a legacy.

You'll never get past Claudio, he's magic, you know, you'll never get past Claudio........  ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: alex1 on December 14, 2017, 02:50:22 PM
I think Claudio is tops at what he does. Ball winning and man marking. However, he's been a victim of the previous regime which overloaded the squad with defensive midfielders.
You cannot play 4 defensive midfielders in one team. Even Pulis didn't play all 4. With Field you have 5 to choose from.
Maybe though a couple are capable of playing a more attacking role, though I don't think Claudio would be one of them.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: halifax_baggie on December 14, 2017, 03:46:31 PM
Just grateful he isn't the quickest player around because he wouldn't be here.daft decision not playing him in the early part of the season and even dafter to bring in Barry when we should have Got a young attacking midfielder.

What a sensible bloke you are, totally agree with you ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albionic on December 14, 2017, 03:50:58 PM
I think Claudio is tops at what he does. Ball winning and man marking. However, he's been a victim of the previous regime which overloaded the squad with defensive midfielders.
You cannot play 4 defensive midfielders in one team. Even Pulis didn't play all 4. With Field you have 5 to choose from.
Maybe though a couple are capable of playing a more attacking role, though I don't think Claudio would be one of them.

So given 5 into 3 (or even 2) doesn't go and we need wages down (FFP) what would you do.

Personally I keep Yac and Field (low wages),
I would thank Barry and wish him the best. 
Krychowiak - jury out but given his alleged wages, I think he's just too damned expensive for us.
Livermore i would keep for now but unless he is better than upto date consistently I would move him on at end of the season

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: alex1 on December 14, 2017, 06:55:42 PM
So given 5 into 3 (or even 2) doesn't go and we need wages down (FFP) what would you do.

Personally I keep Yac and Field (low wages),
I would thank Barry and wish him the best. 
Krychowiak - jury out but given his alleged wages, I think he's just too damned expensive for us.
Livermore i would keep for now but unless he is better than upto date consistently I would move him on at end of the season

Thoughts?

Difficult one. I'd keep Yacob and Livermore as defensive midfielders and try and convert Krychowiak to a more attacking role.
Barry's experience counts for alot in certain matches, but I can't see him getting any better, so reluctantly would phase him out after contract expires.
Field has great prospects, but for the time being I'd use him as a sub. 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: albion59 on December 14, 2017, 07:34:11 PM
Everyone know saying what I've been saying all along!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheBrom on December 14, 2017, 07:41:21 PM
Yacob is the epitome of the 'enforcer'. He sits, shields and turns over possession as well as the best of them. I truly hope we continue to use him in that role, allowing another CM to venture further forwards and support our attacking midfielder and striker. I think without him playing, we've been substituting by playing at least 2 holding midfielders to cover the role he plays, which ruins us through the middle of the pitch. Couple that with injuries to wingers and it's not hard to see why we've been struggling scoring recently.

I can see us (hopefully) pursuing with Yacob as the single holding midfielder with a box-to-box role being filled by Greg, and the number 10 as Chadli who would bridge the gap between defence and attack. With Phillips on the right and one of Brunt, Mclean, Burke on the left I think we've got a very balanced team.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: vrabbit on December 14, 2017, 08:00:05 PM
Yacob is the epitome of the 'enforcer'. He sits, shields and turns over possession as well as the best of them. I truly hope we continue to use him in that role, allowing another CM to venture further forwards and support our attacking midfielder and striker. I think without him playing, we've been substituting by playing at least 2 holding midfielders to cover the role he plays, which ruins us through the middle of the pitch. Couple that with injuries to wingers and it's not hard to see why we've been struggling scoring recently.

I can see us (hopefully) pursuing with Yacob as the single holding midfielder with a box-to-box role being filled by Greg, and the number 10 as Chadli who would bridge the gap between defence and attack. With Phillips on the right and one of Brunt, Mclean, Burke on the left I think we've got a very balanced team.

amen, my brother
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: caravanc58 on December 14, 2017, 09:31:56 PM
Does anyone know how long he has left on his contract.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Wigmore on December 14, 2017, 09:58:51 PM
Does anyone know how long he has left on his contract.

Ends 30.6.2018
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: SmethDan on December 14, 2017, 10:17:11 PM
Not sure of the provisos but I'm sure there was a twelve month option on top.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Vassassin on December 14, 2017, 10:38:06 PM
Love the gut to bits, plays his heart out for us. First game I've seen him offer an attacking threat as well, reminded me of the videos of him prior to joining the Albion, scoring the odd goal. No Pulis, no shackles for the Yak?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: caravanc58 on December 14, 2017, 11:21:52 PM
Not long left then,found this but I think it means the 12 month option is up to Yacob.

West Bromwich Albion midfielder Claudio Yacob has signed a new two-year contract with the Premier League club.

The 29-year-old Argentine, who has made 129 appearances for the Baggies since being signed by Steve Clarke in 2012, is now tied to The Hawthorns until the summer of 2018.

There is also a clause for a further 12-month option for Yacob, who was in the final year of his previous deal.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: chipperclark on December 15, 2017, 03:00:02 AM
 :D First name on the team sheet for me ;D He is our enforcer and frightens the life out of opposition forwards.
We always play better with Claudio at the front of the defence.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: mulliganstired on December 15, 2017, 05:55:39 AM
Pulis mugged himself, he obviously felt he'd nailed his colours to the mast with his "big 3" in the middle, his creation that was "boiling up" or whatever it was he claimed, and then didn't have the guts/flex/wit to change things when it was so obviously not working.  If I could see on a crap laptop that Krychowiak wasn't nearly fit enough for 90 week in week out, why couldn't he?  Credit Yacob for his patience and professionalism till he got his chance again.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Standaman on December 15, 2017, 08:01:46 AM
Contract expires 2018 the club has an option to extend to 2019.

If you want to play with a deep sitting screening midfielder fine play Yacob. The recurring problem is partnering him with players who complement his strengths. In particular we need an all round Central Midfielder who is able to play box to box.  If we don't we either a far too exposed or we drop too deep. Our problem is that virtually all of Central midfielders are in varying degrees deep sitting or AM's the only one who may fit the bill is Krychowiak

Going forward I think we need to reconstruct the central midfield whether that includes Yacob or not is debatable. If the Head Coach does not want an out and out screening DM then we should let him go.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 15, 2017, 09:47:51 AM
Was always at his best alongside Mulumbu with Morrison ahead of them. Ball winner, ball carrier, creative player. We need to do exactly the same with him now but with, what on paper you would say are two better players, in Krycho and Chadli.

Yacob and Krycho sitting in the centre of midfield, Yacob winning it, Krycho looking to carry the ball forward and Chadli in behind Rondon as that creativity. I would actually be excited to see it.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: skyclad99 on December 15, 2017, 10:08:20 AM
Was always at his best alongside Mulumbu with Morrison ahead of them. Ball winner, ball carrier, creative player. We need to do exactly the same with him now but with, what on paper you would say are two better players, in Krycho and Chadli.

Yacob and Krycho sitting in the centre of midfield, Yacob winning it, Krycho looking to carry the ball forward and Chadli in behind Rondon as that creativity. I would actually be excited to see it.
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Blimey Fritzl, that almost sounds like a plan.......... :)

Wonder why TP never thought of it!

I love watching Yacob, nothing spectacular but he breaks up play, wins the ball and generally irritates the opposition star players... ask Dele Alli  ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheBrom on December 15, 2017, 10:09:15 AM
Was always at his best alongside Mulumbu with Morrison ahead of them. Ball winner, ball carrier, creative player. We need to do exactly the same with him now but with, what on paper you would say are two better players, in Krycho and Chadli.

Yacob and Krycho sitting in the centre of midfield, Yacob winning it, Krycho looking to carry the ball forward and Chadli in behind Rondon as that creativity. I would actually be excited to see it.

Totally agree. Felt we've never really replaced him. As someone said earlier, yacob's biggest issue in the team is that we've not got the right type of cm to complement him
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 15, 2017, 10:36:38 AM
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Blimey Fritzl, that almost sounds like a plan.......... :)

Wonder why TP never thought of it!

I love watching Yacob, nothing spectacular but he breaks up play, wins the ball and generally irritates the opposition star players... ask Dele Alli  ;D

I imagine the thought of it caused TP to wake up in cold sweats of an evening. Must....be....more.....defence minded!!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on December 15, 2017, 11:18:33 AM
I'll admit I'm not as big a fan of Yacob as most people, but we have to be careful with renewing contracts for players over 30. Yacob will be 31 at the start of next season. I think if players are nailed on starters then fair enough but I'm not sure if Yacob is in that category (not many of our squad are).
As Standaman said above it depends what style we are planning to play. There are questions like how good will Sam Field be in 1 or 2 years time (the signs are good) and how will he be used ? Whoever the player is there is an opportunity to upgrade when they are at the end of their contract and it's an important decision as to where the wages will be tied up.
I wouldn't rule out giving Yacob an extension but there's a lot to consider first.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie82 on December 15, 2017, 01:24:03 PM
I'll admit I'm not as big a fan of Yacob as most people, but we have to be careful with renewing contracts for players over 30. Yacob will be 31 at the start of next season. I think if players are nailed on starters then fair enough but I'm not sure if Yacob is in that category (not many of our squad are).
As Standaman said above it depends what style we are planning to play. There are questions like how good will Sam Field be in 1 or 2 years time (the signs are good) and how will he be used ? Whoever the player is there is an opportunity to upgrade when they are at the end of their contract and it's an important decision as to where the wages will be tied up.
I wouldn't rule out giving Yacob an extension but there's a lot to consider first.

Yacob has never had any pace, his game is all about tenacity, intelligence, passion, the will to win coupled with the ability to read the game and extinguish danger. His age isn't an issue. He has to be the first name on the team sheet for me regardless of formation or tactics. His inclusion frees up Chadli or Morrison etc to express themselves so it's a complete no brainer. The fact is you won't get a better defensive midfielder than Yacob so unless we are reincarnating Roy Keane or Scholes we won't have an "upgrade" - how do you better Yacob as a holding midfielder anyway. I can't think of many players in the league better at what he does, Kante maybe.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: caravanc58 on December 15, 2017, 01:36:14 PM
Would cost a fortune to upgrade yacob,would need serious consideration not renewing his services next summer when we will likely let Greg go back to PSG & Barry could be released added to both Morrison and Brunt in the later stages of their careers it would leave one he'll of a midfield rebuild.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tommcneill on February 25, 2018, 09:26:23 AM
Why hasnt Yacob been involved more recently??

For me he is our best DM by a country mile, more heart, passion than all of the current incumbents

It shocks me, I love Yacob hes necver let us down like these much higher paid, less caring players have

Give me Yacob over Barry and Livermore all day
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheBrom on February 25, 2018, 09:28:53 AM
As much as I love Yacob, he’s not the answer. Just as I said in the field thread as much as we all like sentiments etc playing Yacob instead wouldn’t have made any difference at all. We’re desperatley missing a forward thinking attacking midfielder and have all season which has been our problem. We’ve got plenty of defensive minded midfielders. It’s no coincidence that Morrison and Chadli being out injured has coincided with our awful run.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 25, 2018, 09:29:39 AM
Depends how we use him

If Pardew wishes to shoe horn him into a two man midfield then I'd rather he wouldn't play.

And there in lies part of problem - Barry, Yacob and Krychowiak need a side built around them because neither can play in a two man midfield
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dexy on February 25, 2018, 09:38:13 AM
Yacob has always struggled in a 4 4 2 , simply doesn't have the legs to cover the space as seen against Saints the other week.
Play him in a 4 5 1 or 4 2 3 1 and he's ideal , sadly Pardew is a 4 4 2 man.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: lewisant on February 25, 2018, 09:48:33 AM
442 has been a part of our decline. 4231 with Yacob and Krychowiak would have seen far more success and balance to the side.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tommcneill on February 25, 2018, 09:56:47 AM
442 has been a part of our decline. 4231 with Yacob and Krychowiak would have seen far more success and balance to the side.

totally agree with this

I understand 4-4-2 is the issue with Yacob playing...but 4-4-2 is why we are where we are!

4-2-3-1 would suit us much better, the playing staff we have suit that style aswell
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 25, 2018, 09:57:20 AM
442 has been a part of our decline. 4231 with Yacob and Krychowiak would have seen far more success and balance to the side.

I agree with this

Not sure who we try as the attacking midfielder but I'd be inclined to include Livermore. I do not think Field is that sort of player.

Yacob Krychowiak

Burke/Phillips Livermore Brunt

Rondon
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tommcneill on February 25, 2018, 09:59:16 AM
I agree with this

Not sure who we try as the attacking midfielder but I'd be inclined to include Livermore. I do not think Field is that sort of player.

Yacob Krychowiak

Burke/Phillips Livermore Brunt

Rondon

I know its all if, buts and maybes but it would be Chadli in the AM for me or perhaps move Chadli out wide and put Brunt in there...our most creative player
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: rajesh-wba on February 25, 2018, 10:05:15 AM
I agree with this

Not sure who we try as the attacking midfielder but I'd be inclined to include Livermore. I do not think Field is that sort of player.

Yacob Krychowiak

Burke/Phillips Livermore Brunt

Rondon

One of our biggest problems has been the lack of Chadli and Morrison. I’m not saying we’d be half way up the league, but we’d have a better balance in our team and a link between midfield and attack, which would most likely reflect in a higher total of points accumulated.

We’ve got no “runners” from central midfield. Yacob, Barry, Livermore, Greg K aren’t midfielder players who will score or assist many goals.

Pardew tried to change too much far too quickly in my opinion. Initially when he came in, one of our greatest strengths; set pieces seem to be neglected. It’s our main goal threat and we’ve been coached for 2 nearly 3 years to be a reactive side and rely on set pieces.

We can’t put it down to recruitment etc, but I think only Megson seemed to have an idea with how we set up v Tottenham and Newcastle.

Sadly, I think we are down, and going down without any fight. And for me that’s unforgivable.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 26, 2018, 08:20:19 AM
Will he take the drop with the club Is the question? I'm thinking for next year...
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: skyclad99 on February 26, 2018, 08:28:21 AM
One of our biggest problems has been the lack of Chadli and Morrison. I’m not saying we’d be half way up the league, but we’d have a better balance in our team and a link between midfield and attack, which would most likely reflect in a higher total of points accumulated.

We’ve got no “runners” from central midfield. Yacob, Barry, Livermore, Greg K aren’t midfielder players who will score or assist many goals.

Pardew tried to change too much far too quickly in my opinion. Initially when he came in, one of our greatest strengths; set pieces seem to be neglected. It’s our main goal threat and we’ve been coached for 2 nearly 3 years to be a reactive side and rely on set pieces.

We can’t put it down to recruitment etc, but I think only Megson seemed to have an idea with how we set up v Tottenham and Newcastle.

Sadly, I think we are down, and going down without any fight. And for me that’s unforgivable.

Tend to agree with your thoughts, but I don't think the situation would have been any different if these two had been fit. All I know is that they are both on £70k a week and they have contributed diddly squat towards the team this year. A couple of years ago I laughed at Villa when they had Nzogbia on the same money and he wasn't playing, and now we find ourselves in a similar position.

Given that this is the Yacob thread, I hope he stays, as he will be useful in the Championship in front of our back 4. He plays for the club as well, and not for himself - one of only a couple down there at the moment.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Backofthenet on February 26, 2018, 11:01:01 AM
I would really like Yacob to stay - at least he gives effort and seems to be interested in playing fro the team. Ironically we tend to do better when he is in the team in the right formation. I know you shouldn't change a successful formation to fit someone in but we are hardly successful and our best results have come in different formations with Yacob involved.
For what it's worth ( I know it's not his thread) I would certainly move Chadli out wide - somewhere like Ipswich or Wrexham springs to mind.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: barnestormer on March 03, 2018, 11:20:30 AM
Seems according to reports today that Claudio stood up to pardew alongside Brunty too,well done Claudio,another with ballswho does give a fcuk
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: mulliganstired on March 03, 2018, 11:38:37 AM
Will he take the drop with the club Is the question? I'm thinking for next year...
I hope so, he is a better all round player than when he joined us, much more comfortable on the ball, and he could be fantastic in the championship.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 03, 2018, 05:43:01 PM
He should have played today and replaced Barry.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boot2006 on March 03, 2018, 07:44:30 PM
Should have played instead of Livermore today.  We just needed him in there, nothing fancy just breaking up play and frustrating them.  He must of shagged Pardew's Mrs or something, I can't for the life of me work out why else Pardew wouldn't be playing him.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on March 03, 2018, 07:52:20 PM
There was a close up of Pardew's face after Yacob had got caught in possession on the edge of our box for the 3rd time during the 1st half v West Ham....he hasn't had much of a look-in since. I'm not a Yacob fan, maybe he should have been playing more but I don't think it would have made a jot of difference.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 03, 2018, 07:53:29 PM
There was a close up of Pardew's face after Yacob had got caught in possession on the edge of our box for the 3rd time during the 1st half v West Ham....he hasn't had much of a look-in since. I'm not a Yacob fan, maybe he should have been playing more but I don't think it would have made a jot of difference.


In a true 5 he makes the world of difference.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on March 03, 2018, 08:01:50 PM
The whole midfield and team would benefit from playing a true 5.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: charlebaggie on March 03, 2018, 08:05:39 PM
Should have played instead of Livermore today.  We just needed him in there, nothing fancy just breaking up play and frustrating them.  He must of shagged Pardew's Mrs or something, I can't for the life of me work out why else Pardew wouldn't be playing him.
.  No ! Should have as well has Livermore and sat in front of the back four and give the defense some  protection instead of this useless 4-4-2
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: 17GD on May 15, 2018, 10:23:19 AM
May well have played his last game for us. Apparently he flew home to Argentina on Sunday after stating he was not available for selection. He said he has a tight hamstring.

Not sure if this is another Jonny Evans story, going in a mood as he wasn't selected, but would appear to be. Not sure how to feel, as he's always been a favourite of mine. His contract is up now too.

Someone like Yacob deserves a good send off (no pun intended), as he's been with us a fair while and has been a good servant.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: DaveWBA on May 15, 2018, 10:27:22 AM
May well have played his last game for us. Apparently he flew home to Argentina on Sunday after stating he was not available for selection. He said he has a tight hamstring.

Not sure if this is another Jonny Evans story, going in a mood as he wasn't selected, but would appear to be. Not sure how to feel, as he's always been a favourite of mine. His contract is up now too.

Someone like Yacob deserves a good send off (no pun intended), as he's been with us a fair while and has been a good servant.

Think you may be reading too much into it. It's not uncommon for players to get off early if they're not involved in the final game of the season, they pretty much break up straight away anyway. Would love him to have a decent send off, may be a case of bringing him back a la Olsson for a goodbye prior to a game next season if he is to leave.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 15, 2018, 10:27:33 AM
Personally, I would be devastated (may be too strong a word) if we didn't get to say goodbye to Claudio.  He has been a fantastic servant and a great player for us, his axis with Mulumbu and Morrison for a couple of seasons was just superb.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: divinewind on May 15, 2018, 10:29:56 AM
I think Yacobs lack of game time, and the preference of Barry made him feel he was surplus to requirement.  He might also know who the new manager is,or isn't.
I've always liked Claudio, and i wish him well.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: skyclad99 on May 15, 2018, 10:35:42 AM
Personally I would keep him for another season. Love his no nonsense approach in front of the back four.

However, I can see how disillusioned he must be under Pulis and Pardew so I wouldn't blame him if he sorted himself out a deal back home. I only hope that he would come back to say farewell. 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: liverbaggie on May 15, 2018, 11:05:30 AM
Top clubman Claudio, always rated him.
Hope he stays,would be great in championship for us.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on May 15, 2018, 11:09:30 AM
Like Claudio, always have.
With a bit more pace to his game he could well have played towards the top end of the table.
Hope he stays for another season.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boinging_along on May 15, 2018, 11:22:48 AM
Won't be facing any disciplinary hearing for the weekend, neither will Evans.  Amazing the difference in response.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: DaveWBA on May 15, 2018, 11:32:30 AM
Won't be facing any disciplinary hearing for the weekend, neither will Evans.  Amazing the difference in response.

Might be due to it being a different situation, I dunno.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: geoff on May 15, 2018, 12:33:19 PM
Won't be facing any disciplinary hearing for the weekend, neither will Evans.  Amazing the difference in response.


One texted the boss saying no thanks  >:(
the other fly home & may or may not have had clearance to do so. we will have to wait & see, i hope he did has it would go against his character if he didn't.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 15, 2018, 12:46:36 PM
Won't be facing any disciplinary hearing for the weekend, neither will Evans.  Amazing the difference in response.

One has represented us well over several years, always giving his all, while the other has taken the piss for the last 12 months despite being made captain.

Amazing.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Backofthenet on May 15, 2018, 02:16:47 PM
Come back Claudio
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boinging_along on May 15, 2018, 04:03:19 PM
One has represented us well over several years, always giving his all, while the other has taken the piss for the last 12 months despite being made captain.

Amazing.

I realise the difference, what I'm saying is have a pop at Evans for his role in taxi gate, his performances etc, god knows, he's given everyone ammo but having a got at him over this while not criticising Yacob is a bit hypocritical. 

Turns out, according to the E&S they both had permission to miss the match so it's just over the top reporting.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie82 on May 15, 2018, 05:45:20 PM
Hope he stays and starts next season alongside Field and Morrison with some pace out wide from Burke and Phillips. One of our best ever signings.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 15, 2018, 06:42:54 PM
Out of all our outfield players, Yacob is my favourite. I don't think it's coincidence that our form dropped when he was replaced in the midfield under Pulis. For me, he's one of the most underrated players around.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mr Cynical on May 15, 2018, 06:50:59 PM
The way I heard it was that Yacob was at training on Saturday and said he'd got a tight calf/hamstring.  Therefore he wasn't selected for the squad.

Evans just sent a text on Saturday saying he wasn't available. (Although the club described it slightly differently.)

The club say both absences were approved anyhow.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie82 on July 14, 2018, 12:23:24 AM
Just started a two week trial for Stoke  :o

Well done Big Dave for your utter stupidity, quality, tenacious and loyal midfielder now with a rival.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie38 on July 14, 2018, 02:22:53 AM
Just started a two week trial for Stoke  :o

Well done Big Dave for your utter stupidity, quality, tenacious and loyal midfielder now with a rival.

Hold your horses fella. That's on a troll account on twitter its a football manager 18 account. Yacob isn't training with Stoke.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: wba_1996 on July 14, 2018, 03:26:39 AM
Hold your horses fella. That's on a troll account on twitter its a football manager 18 account. Yacob isn't training with Stoke.

Are you surprised? The guy hates anyone and everything about the club and can't resist a chance to spout negativity. Made a fool out of himself again though, the tweet was about someones football manager save.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Chipperfan on July 14, 2018, 04:32:25 AM
Just started a two week trial for Stoke  :o

Well done Big Dave for your utter stupidity, quality, tenacious and loyal midfielder now with a rival.

Football Manager! You swallowed it hook, line and sinker. That is really quite hilarious. Getting your hair off about an imaginary two week trial in a game of pretend. I haven’t laughed so much since 1 - 5.

I imagine you will be wanting to withdraw your comment about Moore now?

Oh, and can I just say, I loved Claudio. Tremendous servant for the club and a player I always enjoyed watching, however hanging on to players past their sell by date has worked against us on a number of occasions. So on balance I wish him well, say thank you Yac, and good luck, but it was time to part company.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie82 on July 14, 2018, 09:40:25 AM
Are you surprised? The guy hates anyone and everything about the club and can't resist a chance to spout negativity. Made a fool out of himself again though, the tweet was about someones football manager save.

Your a long way off the mark. Glad the tweet was bull and Yacob isn't training with Stoke but I'm still very disappointed he was released, a huge error in my view. You accuse me of hating anyone / everything about the club. For the record I was and am a huge fan of Yacob who was a legend and should have been kept on. The decline of us in the premiership coincided with Yacob being phased out of the team.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on July 14, 2018, 12:24:13 PM
Your a long way off the mark. Glad the tweet was bull and Yacob isn't training with Stoke but I'm still very disappointed he was released, a huge error in my view. You accuse me of hating anyone / everything about the club. For the record I was and am a huge fan of Yacob who was a legend and should have been kept on. The decline of us in the premiership coincided with Yacob being phased out of the team.
It also coincided with Morrison and Chadli being injured, Phillips injuries,  McAuley out of the team you can pick any of a multitude of reasons for the decline.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tylerm on July 14, 2018, 01:01:13 PM
Your a long way off the mark. Glad the tweet was bull and Yacob isn't training with Stoke but I'm still very disappointed he was released, a huge error in my view. You accuse me of hating anyone / everything about the club. For the record I was and am a huge fan of Yacob who was a legend and should have been kept on. The decline of us in the premiership coincided with Yacob being phased out of the team.

Yacob is a very limited footballer, can’t pass, can’t shoot and can’t play in a 442. Also a sending off waiting to happen. Club made the right decision for me
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: SmethDan on July 14, 2018, 01:52:27 PM
Yacob is a very limited footballer, can’t pass, can’t shoot and can’t play in a 442. Also a sending off waiting to happen. Club made the right decision for me

Say what you like regarding whether it was right to let Claudio go, as is your prerogative.

But one red card in 160 Premier League appearances (+1 in the FA Cup v the Vile) would suggest he wasn't a red waiting to happen.

O.K so he got 41 yellows in those 160 Prem' appearances, but it was still only the one red.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/claudio-yacob/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/45330/wettbewerb/GB1/verein/984

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 14, 2018, 04:53:07 PM
Yacob is a very limited footballer, can’t pass, can’t shoot and can’t play in a 442. Also a sending off waiting to happen. Club made the right decision for me

Probably the worst post I've ever read. He was immense for us and our decline started when he was dropped.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 14, 2018, 05:06:19 PM
We shall miss him sorely.
He was the "blocker" at the back.
He didn't have to run much, because he could read the game.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Slimbo on July 14, 2018, 05:13:11 PM
We shall miss him sorely.
He was the "blocker" at the back.
He didn't have to run much, because he could read the game.
100% agree - he will be missed
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie82 on July 14, 2018, 05:33:27 PM
Probably the worst post I've ever read. He was immense for us and our decline started when he was dropped.

Completely agree with you. Worse that we still have Barry on the books as well, I would swap them in a heart beat.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheBrom on July 14, 2018, 06:30:33 PM
Yacob is a very limited footballer, can’t pass, can’t shoot and can’t play in a 442. Also a sending off waiting to happen. Club made the right decision for me

I’m sorry I’m not having that. For all his apparent limitations the squad is far weaker without him in it and will be until we have a suitable replacement. When we had mulumbu and Yacob in a 442 they bossed the midfield. As much as field has shown promise he’s not the same type of player.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on July 14, 2018, 06:40:21 PM
Got a feeling this is going to run and run. When we had Yacob and Mulumbu there, we also had the advantage of Lakaku, Odemwingie, Long to offer threat...and younger versions of Morrison, Brunt, Dorrans. The balance of the team was just totally different. We have to think of our team now moving forward. It was time to let Yacob go and time to move on. Field is a different type of player but he can pass, he can move. We've needed a less static midfield for a couple of years now.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: ashdoy on July 14, 2018, 06:42:26 PM
Got a feeling this is going to run and run. When we had Yacob and Mulumbu there, we also had the advantage of Lakaku, Odemwingie, Long to offer threat...and younger versions of Morrison, Brunt, Dorrans. The balance of the team was just totally different. We have to think of our team now moving forward. It was time to let Yacob go and time to move on. Field is a different type of player but he can pass, he can move. We've needed a less static midfield for a couple of years now.

Bang on.

I loved Yacob.

But we could have ended up with a midfield of Brunt, Mozza, Barry & Yacob at times this season; imagine the energy levels from that lot!!

Loved him, but time to move on and allow Field a proper chance to shine.

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheBrom on July 14, 2018, 06:43:49 PM
If field shines then fair enough, however I feel we still need an enforcer type in the midfield and until we get a replacement the squad is weaker in my opinion
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: geoff on July 14, 2018, 09:32:34 PM
Yacob is a very limited footballer, can’t pass, can’t shoot and can’t play in a 442. Also a sending off waiting to happen. Club made the right decision for me

If we had signed him to do any of the above then i agree it was a poor signing on our part but he wasn't he was signed has a stopper someone to break up player & at doing that he was very very successful & could still do a job for us, wrong decision by the club for me. 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tommcneill on July 14, 2018, 09:45:06 PM
Huge mistake by the club for me letting him go

A travesty infact
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tuamigos on July 14, 2018, 09:50:06 PM
We loose the Yac and keep Barry.
I know we are contractually obliged to Barry but we should have bit the bullet and did all we could to shift Barry out of the door
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on July 14, 2018, 10:25:02 PM
Understatement to say Barry is not flavour of the month and it would have been best to move on without both him and Yacob.

I'll prepare for flak but Barry was consistently picked ahead of Yacob last year because he's a better footballer - his passing range is way superior...his career record sort of points to something. Yes he's getting on but he's definitely no slower than Yacob.

Yacob is an out and out stopper and nothing else. Now if DM doesn't want to play with an out and out stopper what is the point of keeping him ?

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: HampshireBaggie on July 14, 2018, 10:59:53 PM
Yacob is excellent at what he does but modern day players in that position need to do more than what Yacob can do.

He is a brilliant stopper, tackles well, reads the game and hustles and harries. Great, but clubs who are successful need to have a player that does that AND can pick a pass. Yacob couldn’t do that.

So we had to play someone alongside him who can pass. 2 players doing the job that we may be able to get 1 player to do.

Look at all the top teams. Their midfield stoppers can pass too. Not saying we are a top team but be should be trying to sign a player of similar ilk.

Plus Yacob will be on big wages and is now 32.

Love the bloke but correct decision to release.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 14, 2018, 11:04:51 PM
Yacob is excellent at what he does but modern day players in that position need to do more than what Yacob can do.

He is a brilliant stopper, tackles well, reads the game and hustles and harries. Great, but clubs who are successful need to have a player that does that AND can pick a pass. Yacob couldn’t do that.

So we had to play someone alongside him who can pass. 2 players doing the job that we may be able to get 1 player to do.

Look at all the top teams. Their midfield stoppers can pass too. Not saying we are a top team but be should be trying to sign a player of similar ilk.

Plus Yacob will be on big wages and is now 32.

Love the bloke but correct decision to release.
Good incisive post.
As you have proabably noticed, I also rue the time that Yacob was released.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: caravanc58 on July 14, 2018, 11:32:33 PM
so we need a cheap N'golo Kante.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie82 on July 15, 2018, 04:04:03 AM
so we need a cheap N'golo Kante.

Yeah, his name was Claudio, his blood ran white and blue and we released him on a bosman. I’m heartened by how much love there is on here for Yacob, richly deserved. A legend who should never have been released.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: AlbionFan on July 15, 2018, 08:53:15 AM
Like most posters in this thread, I am a fan of Yacob’s.

My heart wanted him to be the same player he was when he arrived, but “time and tide wait for no man”. As a consequence, my head tells me it was the right time for him to go.

Their are many attributes that a good Manager / Head Coach should posses, a winner, tactical awareness, man management, spotting talent, the list goes on. But I suspect one attribute that many may overlook is the ability to know when to let a player go and that is, IMO, the hallmark of SAF tenure at United, which set him above the rest.

Just think back to some of the great players he let go, for various reasons agreed, but he also knew when “Father Time” was creeping up on a player,  players he had nurtured as kids and who he was very fond of.

So, I think the decision to part with Yacob, painful though it is, is the right one.

Thank you Claudio for everything you gave to our club, you will always be remembered and held in the highest esteem and good luck in the future, wherever life takes you.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boinging_along on July 15, 2018, 09:12:09 AM
Loved Yacob but it was time for him to go. He was never the quickest, he's 32 and fitness tends to tail off dramatically at that age.  And it would have meant offering him a new contract so for what? 2, 3 years?
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Sted1990 on July 15, 2018, 09:26:18 AM
In 3 months we will know for sure if the decision was good or bad. Tough call but having to keep Barry left us with little choice in my opinion.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dexy on July 15, 2018, 09:35:16 AM
Like most posters in this thread, I am a fan of Yacob’s.

My heart wanted him to be the same player he was when he arrived, but “time and tide wait for no man”. As a consequence, my head tells me it was the right time for him to go.

Their are many attributes that a good Manager / Head Coach should posses, a winner, tactical awareness, man management, spotting talent, the list goes on. But I suspect one attribute that many may overlook is the ability to know when to let a player go and that is, IMO, the hallmark of SAF tenure at United, which set him above the rest.

Just think back to some of the great players he let go, for various reasons agreed, but he also knew when “Father Time” was creeping up on a player,  players he had nurtured as kids and who he was very fond of.

So, I think the decision to part with Yacob, painful though it is, is the right one.

Thank you Claudio for everything you gave to our club, you will always be remembered and held in the highest esteem and good luck in the future, wherever life takes you.
This post painfully sums it up for me although I most likely would have kept Yacob for 2 more seasons , as above you hope for the player of his first 3 season's but in your head you know its not going to be like that.
I hope we get the chance to say a proper goodbye.

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Standaman on July 15, 2018, 10:06:38 AM
Part of the reason our squad has got old slow and imbalanced is because we have not let the veterans go. If we have made an error we have held onto to players a year or two too long. Yacob is the first player we might have released maybe a year too soon but I still think overall it was the right thing to do.

As I have said on numerous occasions Yacob is very good at being a screening midfielder in front of a back 4 he cannot be deployed as anything else therefore we either set up that way or he doesn't play. He isn't flexible enough to be a good squad player he covers one position and maybe Centre Half in an emergency. You absolutely cannot play him in a 4-4-2 or a 4-4-1-1 nor any set up with a back 3.

His best seasons with us and maybe our best seasons as a team were when he was partnered with Mulumbu in a 4-2-3-1. After Mulumbu left we either haven't played him or partnered him with the wrong type of central midfielder generally either someone who is most comfortable as being the most deep sitting midfielder or hasn't got the legs to cover the ground that Mulumbu did.

Last season we ended up with 5 players who are most comfortable being the most deep sitting midfielder and finished the season playing a 4-4-1-1 with Brunt in a strange quarter back role alongside Livermore. We have been saddled with Barry for this coming season still have Field Livermore and maybe Brunt to play in Central Midfield to my mind this still isn't right but Yacob doesn't make it better.

The World Cup is interesting because it gives us a snapshot of where football is tactically very few teams deployed an absolute screening player even Argentina didn't deploy Mascherano in that role and it is telling that the classic Argentine number 5 played nearly all his Barca career as a Centre Back.

Croatia's Brozovic on paper looks the closest but it is easy to overlook just how good he is on the ball given that he shares the midfield space with Rakitic and Modric. Other than that Eric Dier and well we just proved you don't play a screening midfielder with a back 3. William Carvalho for Portugal also springs to mind I seem to remember him as a much more dynamic player in the Euros of 2 years ago but was most definitely operating as a screening mid in this tournament. 

Unfortunately for Yacob maybe time is up on the screening midfielder. It will be interesting to see where he fetches up.

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: ex coseley kid on July 15, 2018, 10:26:56 PM
Part of the reason our squad has got old slow and imbalanced is because we have not let the veterans go. If we have made an error we have held onto to players a year or two too long. Yacob is the first player we might have released maybe a year too soon but I still think overall it was the right thing to do.

As I have said on numerous occasions Yacob is very good at being a screening midfielder in front of a back 4 he cannot be deployed as anything else therefore we either set up that way or he doesn't play. He isn't flexible enough to be a good squad player he covers one position and maybe Centre Half in an emergency. You absolutely cannot play him in a 4-4-2 or a 4-4-1-1 nor any set up with a back 3.

His best seasons with us and maybe our best seasons as a team were when he was partnered with Mulumbu in a 4-2-3-1. After Mulumbu left we either haven't played him or partnered him with the wrong type of central midfielder generally either someone who is most comfortable as being the most deep sitting midfielder or hasn't got the legs to cover the ground that Mulumbu did.

Last season we ended up with 5 players who are most comfortable being the most deep sitting midfielder and finished the season playing a 4-4-1-1 with Brunt in a strange quarter back role alongside Livermore. We have been saddled with Barry for this coming season still have Field Livermore and maybe Brunt to play in Central Midfield to my mind this still isn't right but Yacob doesn't make it better.

The World Cup is interesting because it gives us a snapshot of where football is tactically very few teams deployed an absolute screening player even Argentina didn't deploy Mascherano in that role and it is telling that the classic Argentine number 5 played nearly all his Barca career as a Centre Back.

Croatia's Brozovic on paper looks the closest but it is easy to overlook just how good he is on the ball given that he shares the midfield space with Rakitic and Modric. Other than that Eric Dier and well we just proved you don't play a screening midfielder with a back 3. William Carvalho for Portugal also springs to mind I seem to remember him as a much more dynamic player in the Euros of 2 years ago but was most definitely operating as a screening mid in this tournament. 

Unfortunately for Yacob maybe time is up on the screening midfielder. It will be interesting to see where he fetches up.

Great post, Stan. Especially the bold bit.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 15, 2018, 11:35:13 PM
Stan has summed it up perfectly

If we're going to have Yacob we need the right players around him - we have not really had that since Clarke departed

Moore seemingly prefers a four man midfield - Yacob cannot play in that system. He is far too limited and not mobile enough to cover the pitch

He has been a good player, a good servant but players should not be retained out of sentiment.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boinging_along on July 16, 2018, 01:13:46 PM
He's 32, we can't complain about having an aging squad while also crying out that we've not offered an, already slow, 32 year old a new contract.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: chipperclark on July 17, 2018, 04:02:44 AM
 :D The Yac was "magic" in the 4 part behind the scenes at Albion.

He was hilarious with his co-players and staff...taking the "mickey".He was a great bloke to have in the squad and will be sorely missed around the place.
Still think we should have given him another year and he would have done a job for us.

Best of luck Claudio....we will miss you. ;D
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheBrom on July 18, 2018, 01:30:23 AM
I think the worst part is not being able to give him a proper send off or goodbye. Hopefully he comes back in a similar vein to Olson to get a proper appreciative send off
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Backofthenet on July 18, 2018, 09:10:05 AM
I have been an advocate for Claudio for a considerable time and still believe he would have done a job for us in the Championship. Sadly that's not to be and I fully respect other's views about the rights or wrongs with that.
Personally I hope that come a cold, wet, windy night at Millwall or similar we're not thinking " I wish Claudio was here, he would have gripped this and kept us on track"
My other thoughts around him are that lots of people, pundits etc are raving about certain players who just seem to pass the ball about 10 yards, both backwards and sideways. Claudio has been under criticism for this (or it is highlighted as a 'deficiency') whereas in the World Cup there was loads of this sort of football and they are supposed to be at the top of the game. Sad that we couldn't find a way to fit him in. I also realise our limitations with playing staff make this difficult.

Good luck and best wishes Claudio. - I would hate to see you playing against us.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 18, 2018, 09:31:01 AM
Happy Birthday Claudio
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tommcneill on July 18, 2018, 09:54:01 AM
He's 32, we can't complain about having an aging squad while also crying out that we've not offered an, already slow, 32 year old a new contract.

He's literally just turned 31 today!!

For the record id have kepty him on no problem at all, one of my favourites at the Albion and perfect for the season we have ahead
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 18, 2018, 10:56:29 AM
He would have been superb this season if we'd sat him in defensive midfield in a 4-3-2-1 formation with a couple of ball players alongside him.

When you compare his age to that of Gareth Barry he is a spring chicken so not sure what relevance age even has for a player who has never relied on pace.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: royhan on July 18, 2018, 12:49:47 PM
Still not too late to sign him on again!!!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Atomic on July 18, 2018, 12:51:13 PM
Let it go guys he's gone and not coming back.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: liverbaggie on July 18, 2018, 01:36:00 PM
I met him a couple of times,the first things he would say was how is your family,a top pro and a top man.
I would have preferred us to keep him but I think he wanted to go back home,but he was very happy with us and of course was never any trouble.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheBrom on July 18, 2018, 08:28:28 PM
I think if the fans would have had a chance to give him a proper goodbye there would be less negativity around it, same goes for GMac, it's a massive shame that these two who have been with us for the best part of our recent successful seasons didn't get a decent send off in my opinion
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on July 18, 2018, 08:48:15 PM
I think I read that Yacob was given permission to go home a little bit early but, stating the obvious, they can't be given a send off until they are officially released which came about 2 months later.

Agree it would be good if players like McAuley can come back and get some sort of reception just before kick-off...bit more tricky on the logistics with Yacob.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mooncat on July 19, 2018, 07:43:36 AM
They could have had a proper send off had they played in the supposed testemonial that Brunty and Mozza were supposed to have last season and again this................
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 19, 2018, 07:50:25 AM
They could have had a proper send off had they played in the supposed testemonial that Brunty and Mozza were supposed to have last season and again this................

Not sure where you are getting the idea that it was supposed to be last season?
 E&S reported in January that Brunt and Morrison were looking at having a joint testimonial this pre-season. The article also states that it is the players responsibility to arrange it, so you can't  lay the blame for it's non happening at the clubs door.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/01/24/west-brom-duo-chris-brunt-and-james-morrison-begin-planning-for-joint-testimonial/
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: seteefeet on July 19, 2018, 08:54:29 AM
Not sure where you are getting the idea that it was supposed to be last season?
 E&S reported in January that Brunt and Morrison were looking at having a joint testimonial this pre-season. The article also states that it is the players responsibility to arrange it, so you can't  lay the blame for it's non happening at the clubs door.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/01/24/west-brom-duo-chris-brunt-and-james-morrison-begin-planning-for-joint-testimonial/
Isn't that a bit like arranging your own surprise party?
Seems strange that they have to arrange something that honours loyal service to the club.

As for Yacob, we need to move on now. He was a great player, one I liked a lot, but, he is getting on, and we have plenty of contracted central midfielders, so it makes sense to trim the wage bill. Shame he won't get a proper send off as he was a real fan's favourite but I think the decision was the right one.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 19, 2018, 11:07:27 AM
Isn't that a bit like arranging your own surprise party?
Seems strange that they have to arrange something that honours loyal service to the club.

As for Yacob, we need to move on now. He was a great player, one I liked a lot, but, he is getting on, and we have plenty of contracted central midfielders, so it makes sense to trim the wage bill. Shame he won't get a proper send off as he was a real fan's favourite but I think the decision was the right one.

Not really like arranging your own surprise party as there is no surprise element to it. I think it's up to the players as they receive all the money from them.

With regard to Yacob, I think we should have offered him another year/2 years as he only turned 31 yesterday and we don't have any other player that does what he does, but he only really works in a 4-2-3-1 or as the 1 in a 4-1-4-1, so I guess it depends on how DM wants us to set up.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Scruffy Stan on July 19, 2018, 12:54:25 PM
Not really like arranging your own surprise party as there is no surprise element to it. I think it's up to the players as they receive all the money from them.

Perhaps their agents could arrange it and actually do something useful for their money (without skimming anything off the top of what the testimonial raises).
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheBrom on July 19, 2018, 04:25:14 PM
They could have had a proper send off had they played in the supposed testemonial that Brunty and Mozza were supposed to have last season and again this................

To be fair most of the games last season felt like testimonials at times!
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 19, 2018, 06:58:41 PM
Perhaps their agents could arrange it and actually do something useful for their money (without skimming anything off the top of what the testimonial raises).

Always remember Niall Quinn I think raising about £1m from his and donating the lot.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: costa blanca baggie on July 19, 2018, 10:41:57 PM
Always remember Niall Quinn I think raising about £1m from his and donating the lot.
I believe most Premier (or ex) players donate to charity
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 19, 2018, 10:57:42 PM
I believe most Premier (or ex) players donate to charity

Think Quinn was the original though and certainly set the trend.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: caravanc58 on July 26, 2018, 08:58:44 PM
was anyone aware that it was down to Yacob that he left the club?
just read this article and the last paragraph says this.

Claudio Yacob has not triggered an option to extend his contract, as reported elsewhere, but the club are planning to sit down and discuss a potential new deal with the Argentinian midfielder once the season finishes.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/04/09/salomon-rondon-could-leave-for-165m-once-west-brom-are-relegated/
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: AlbionFan on July 26, 2018, 09:05:25 PM
was anyone aware that it was down to Yacob that he left the club?
just read this article and the last paragraph says this.

Claudio Yacob has not triggered an option to extend his contract, as reported elsewhere, but the club are planning to sit down and discuss a potential new deal with the Argentinian midfielder once the season finishes.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/04/09/salomon-rondon-could-leave-for-165m-once-west-brom-are-relegated/

That puts a whole new complexion on the situation if accurate.

Again, good luck for the future Claudio and thank you for playing such a vital role for us over the years
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: gazberg on September 06, 2018, 11:53:11 AM
Signing for Forest today so we will get to see him at the Hawthorns one more time.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Mister AT on September 06, 2018, 12:12:40 PM
Signing for Forest today so we will get to see him at the Hawthorns one more time.

I think he will prove to be a good bit of business.

At least we get to give him a proper send off.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KN22 on September 06, 2018, 12:42:23 PM
I was a big fan when he played for us. Did a good job and rarely let us down. He was however better suited to the Pulis style of play than the one we are developing now in my opinion. So personally I wish him well at Forest but do not regret that he no longer plays for Albion.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 06, 2018, 01:34:17 PM
I was a big fan when he played for us. Did a good job and rarely let us down. He was however better suited to the Pulis style of play than the one we are developing now in my opinion. So personally I wish him well at Forest but do not regret that he no longer plays for Albion.
I think Yacob would be making a better fist of the central midfield position than Brunt is.

As it's been said that it was Yacob's decision to leave, I'd also assumed that he wanted to return home, so signing for Forest makes me wish we'd done more to keep him.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: barnestormer on September 06, 2018, 01:37:02 PM
Got to be all about money if he's going to forest,yet again short sightedness on the clubs behalf if we can't match forests offer,best of luck claudio
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Atomic on September 06, 2018, 01:37:45 PM
I think Yacob would be making a better fist of the central midfield position than Brunt is.

As it's been said that it was Yacob's decision to leave, I'd also assumed that he wanted to return home, so signing for Forest makes me wish we'd done more to keep him.


No chance he is way too slow and immobile to play in the system we now use. If he had an excellent range of passing he might get away with it but he hasn't. Good luck to him but he's surplus to requirements at the Albion. We've moved on.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albionic on September 06, 2018, 01:38:13 PM
If DM's statement of playing in different ways depending on the circumstances is correct, I can see there being times we would love to have  Yac in the squad, but then we have Field and Barry who can play that role (to a point) so  did Yac justify a wage and a place ? in hindsight probably not, but it will be good to be able to say Tara to the fella.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 06, 2018, 01:45:25 PM
No chance he is way too slow and immobile to play in the system we now use. If he had an excellent range of passing he might get away with it but he hasn't. Good luck to him but he's surplus to requirements at the Albion. We've moved on.
Is Brunt fast and fluid? If you watch Yacob's compilation videos on Youtube from before he joined us, he had great passing skills. For whatever reason, we never saw much of that, but who's to say those skills might not have blossomed again in a new style of play? It would have been nice to see how it panned out - I certainly think he would be much better at breaking up play than Brunt and could then give simple passes to those with more creativity.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Atomic on September 06, 2018, 01:50:05 PM
Is Brunt fast and fluid? If you watch Yacob's compilation videos on Youtube from before he joined us, he had great passing skills. For whatever reason, we never saw much of that, but who's to say those skills might not have blossomed again in a new style of play? It would have been nice to see how it panned out - I certainly think he would be much better at breaking up play than Brunt and could then give simple passes to those with more creativity.


Brunt is a better passer of the ball and he has more to offer going forward in intelligence as much as anything but he shouldn't be playing there either.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Oldbury24 on September 06, 2018, 01:58:18 PM
Was I a big fan of the Yac - yes! 

Do I think he would have improved the squad massively if he had signed his extension and stayed on - not really.

Obviously felt he could get a better financial package by leaving and knowing Forest I'm sure he has.  Does make me feel a bit better about the Hoolahan and Martin rumours.  Some Forest fans may be wondering why they are signing a 32 year old midfield player who could not even get near the first team squad of a relegated Albion side.  Could be a very shrewd signing for Forest, and we know their manager is not adverse to playing a proper defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on September 06, 2018, 03:16:09 PM
Let's not forget he didn't just play for us under Pulis, he signed at the start of Clarke's reign. He was good at the one thing and we hardly saw a single flash of a player who could look up and play a meaningful forward pass. The evidence we saw over a number of years is more meaningful than any video from Argentine football from 8 years ago.

He may do a job for Forest but that won't change that it was the right thing to part from here whether it was his own call or ours.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: liverbaggie on September 06, 2018, 03:32:32 PM
Good luck Claudio, top man for us.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Standaman on September 06, 2018, 07:36:08 PM
We have moved on. While our central midfield is far from perfect inserting Yacob into the mix in front of a back 3 does nothing for it.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: robbo_wba on September 06, 2018, 10:12:00 PM
The only reason I’d have Yacob in the squad now is to bring him on when 1-0 up with 10 mins to go. Loved him at times, and when playing the big teams he was perfect. But let’s be honest, he hasn’t got enough about his game for this team, he can’t pass the ball anywhere but sideways or backwards, and can’t play in a 2 man centre midfield. All the best and move on for the better.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: maccbaggie on September 06, 2018, 10:54:53 PM
Our best Premier League midfield was a 4-2-3-1 under Clarke with Mulumbu and Yacob as the two holding midfielders. Absolute class. Some brilliant wins that season, including the 3-0 against Liverpool if I remember correctly, culminating in our highest ever Premier League finish.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Vassassin on September 07, 2018, 12:33:04 AM
He's magic, you know, good luck Claudio. Loved his killer battling attitude, hope he gets a very warm welcome, ala Gera's return to the Hawthorns in the khaki green of Fulham, was lucky to witness that and will never forget it.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dexy on September 07, 2018, 12:53:41 AM
Brunt struggles pace wise at times let alone Yacob :o , this system wouldnt suit Yacob at all I'm afraid . Loved his years with us but his passing got worse ,  simple passes a lot of the time too .
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Wigmore on September 07, 2018, 01:10:50 AM
I think most WBA fans have admired the attitude and application that CY showed during his time at the Albion.
It is unlikely that he would be comfortable in the system that Moore and Smith have implemented.
I will be very glad to give him the welcome he deserves on his return, but trust that we will not see one of his more 'abrasive' performances. ;)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BoingFlyer on September 07, 2018, 09:33:43 AM

I wonder if we would of offered him an extension if Barry did not active his year's extension. As much as I liked Yacob Barry does offer us more.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggieboyfred on September 15, 2018, 09:00:57 AM
I was sorry to see him go, I thought he would be ideal for the championship , always likely to pick up bookings and possible S O 's , but in terms of breaking up play he could be one of the best in the division, and while he is with Forest we will see whether or not it was an error letting him go, but thanks CY for the time you put in for us
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 15, 2018, 01:16:11 PM
Yacob and Guedioura will give them an extremely solid platform in a 5 man midfield.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: albion59 on November 05, 2018, 11:50:21 PM
Forest fans absolutely love Yacob after only seeing him in one game! Big big mistake letting him go.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Baggy nerd on November 05, 2018, 11:55:52 PM
I would suggest he was let go for financial reasons. We overspent in the final season in the Prem and some decisions had to be made out of necessity rather than choice. The recent signings of free agents seems to back this up.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: caravanc58 on November 06, 2018, 09:20:36 AM
 Its been reported many times it was Jacobs decision to move on nothing the club could do about it.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: gazberg on November 06, 2018, 10:21:40 AM
Its been reported many times it was Jacobs decision to move on nothing the club could do about it.

Agreed. Always said if we let Jacobs walk away we must be crackers.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boinging_along on November 06, 2018, 11:07:47 AM
I still don't get the pining for him.  We have plenty of slow moving, no creativity midfielders at the moment, how on earth do people think he'd be the fix we need?  All I see is people wanting pace and creativity in midfield, that's not Yacob.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 06, 2018, 11:27:17 AM
I still don't get the pining for him.  We have plenty of slow moving, no creativity midfielders at the moment, how on earth do people think he'd be the fix we need?  All I see is people wanting pace and creativity in midfield, that's not Yacob.

He does the dirty job we have no-one at present capable of doing but I do think he would have needed someone alongside him as we have no-one with the creative nouse either. Morrison does it in fits and starts but thats it.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boinging_along on November 06, 2018, 11:52:31 AM
He does the dirty job we have no-one at present capable of doing but I do think he would have needed someone alongside him as we have no-one with the creative nouse either. Morrison does it in fits and starts but thats it.

Yeah, but if I had to list the problems we have with the midfield at the moment it's not the lack of an enforcer in there that's causing us issues.  We have plenty of possession that we find difficult to move through midfield, Yacob wouldn't help with that at all. 

When we've got the ball Yacob wouldn't help us, he's at least as slow as what we've got.  His passing is even more limited.  He'll still get overrun when up against an extra man and pace in the middle of the park.

While we haven't got the ball you could (just about) argue that Yacob would offer us something, but more often than not we are conceding soft goals.  What we wouldn't need is someone giving away even more cheap free kicks.

I feel like wanting Yacob back is just a cheap stick to beat the club with for some people.  Yeah, we could get him back but we'd have to play a completely different system to what we have now and that's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 06, 2018, 12:03:56 PM
Yeah, but if I had to list the problems we have with the midfield at the moment it's not the lack of an enforcer in there that's causing us issues.  We have plenty of possession that we find difficult to move through midfield, Yacob wouldn't help with that at all. 

When we've got the ball Yacob wouldn't help us, he's at least as slow as what we've got.  His passing is even more limited.  He'll still get overrun when up against an extra man and pace in the middle of the park.

While we haven't got the ball you could (just about) argue that Yacob would offer us something, but more often than not we are conceding soft goals.  What we wouldn't need is someone giving away even more cheap free kicks.

I feel like wanting Yacob back is just a cheap stick to beat the club with for some people.  Yeah, we could get him back but we'd have to play a completely different system to what we have now and that's not going to happen.

His passing is better than he gets credit for to be honest. Yes he does give free kicks away but so are the others in there but he can tackle unlike the powder puff efforts we're seeing currently. Not saying he's the messiah by any means but mistake to let him go and not replace him.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggiebof on November 06, 2018, 12:19:22 PM
Agree with the sentiments above regarding needing a midfielder very good on the ball the way we are playing, which Claudio was not. He was a decent passer but we need someone who can take the ball under pressure and turn away from a man as well as being able to play penetrating balls through he middle of the pitch, which again, Claudio was not. Take the point about the solidity in there however I would argue that we play so expansively, we actually need a really mobile ball winner in there, someone to do what Kante did for Conte's Chelsea. Yacob certainly was not mobile and Livermore is not mobile enough either really. Love Claudio but not disappointed he is no longer with us.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: KN22 on November 06, 2018, 12:40:38 PM
As is often the case in life we look back through rose tinted specs. I do not feel he would help at all. No pace, not a good passer and very prone to giving away free kicks in dangerous positions. We have enough guys already who fit that bill  ;)
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 06, 2018, 01:57:39 PM
Letting Claudio Yacob leave was the right decision. Deciding not to replace him was the wrong decision.

Quite frankly, if someone had said to me that he would not be replaced then I would not have advocated his departure.

Instead, we get the luxury of watching Chris Brunt and Jake Livermore and their continuous powder puff performances.

And to add, when in a midfield containing three in the middle, Yacob often excelled. His ability to screen his back four, win the ball and move it onto someone technically better than him is something we are crying out for.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie82 on November 06, 2018, 03:14:13 PM
As is often the case in life we look back through rose tinted specs. I do not feel he would help at all. No pace, not a good passer and very prone to giving away free kicks in dangerous positions. We have enough guys already who fit that bill  ;)

I thought he was superb with us throughout his career. He played 160 games for us and barely had a bad game. His positional sense was superb, his tackling was tigerish and his passing was pretty decent actually, didn't give it away much. Much better than what we have now. No brainer to keep him. Obviously was more effective and a better midfielder than Livermore who does zilch.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BalisPen on November 06, 2018, 03:56:51 PM
If Yacob is the answer, we need to look at the question again.

Brunt and Morrison should have gone with Yacob and some energy should have been brought in.

Imo we should have signed Woods and tested the water at the vile in relation to Hourihane.

We need the box to box energy and never say die attitude of a Mulumbu.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 06, 2018, 04:34:15 PM
If Yacob is the answer, we need to look at the question again.

Brunt and Morrison should have gone with Yacob and some energy should have been brought in.

Imo we should have signed Woods and tested the water at the vile in relation to Hourihane.

We need the box to box energy and never say die attitude of a Mulumbu.

I think the fact they are still considered two of the constants in the side is one of the big worries, this league requires youth and legs. They have legs but unfortunately both run like me, as though stuck in quicksand.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BalisPen on November 06, 2018, 04:43:24 PM
I think the fact they are still considered two of the constants in the side is one of the big worries, this league requires youth and legs. They have legs but unfortunately both run like me, as though stuck in quicksand.

The way we have been run of late with these players given new contracts and giving Barry a clause which allowed him another year if he managed so many appearances makes me want to cry.

It smacks of everyone being in a comfort zone, where players are retained because there is no alternatives that have been identified to replace them and there is just no desire to progress.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Jimmy on November 06, 2018, 07:43:41 PM
Would work in a treat in the set up we have now.

We have no real defensive midfielder at the minute, who is breaking up play? Who is chasing after the ball?

Opposition teams are just waltzing through our midfield.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: TheBrom on November 08, 2018, 12:42:11 PM
Our biggest problem with this was not replacing him properly. Centre mid has been one of our biggest problems this season
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: tommcneill on November 08, 2018, 12:54:39 PM
I still think it was a ludicrous decision to let him leave

Personally think he would excel in this side and formation and provide the defensive cover in midfield that we are seriously lacking

Awful decision in my book

Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: seteefeet on November 08, 2018, 01:25:28 PM
Completely agree.
Yeah, he was the only defensive midfielder we had. Couldn't pass for toffee but boy could he break up play. Livermore can't play the role because he has neither the discipline (positional not temperamental) or the ability. I really don't know what he offers to be honest, he can't tackle, pass (not forwards anyhoo), head or shoot, just seems to want to be wherever the ball isn't. No better than Craig Gardner, at least he scored a worldy every other season.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: skyclad99 on November 08, 2018, 01:39:05 PM
Yeah, he was the only defensive midfielder we had. Couldn't pass for toffee but boy could he break up play. Livermore can't play the role because he has neither the discipline (positional not temperamental) or the ability. I really don't know what he offers to be honest, he can't tackle, pass (not forwards anyhoo), head or shoot, just seems to want to be wherever the ball isn't. No better than Craig Gardner, at least he scored a worldy every other season.

You have summed him up perfectly there. I think an earlier poster said his distribution was superb and he could pass quite accurately - I personally didnt see any evidence of that but god could he tackle and break up play, and that is exactly what we are missing at the moment, especially in front of this back 3.......
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dexy on November 08, 2018, 01:57:49 PM
Big fan of Yacob but theres a bit of rose tinted going on here in my humble , firstly he was a top draw breaker but his passing was woeful in his last few seasons and not much better before it.
Secondly , he got trounced playing in a two under every manager that tried it . Saints at home under Pardew was painful to watch him struggle last season against their 3 man midfield .
The only way he shines is in either Steve Clarke's 4 2 3 1 or under early Pulis , don't get  me wrong I love the bloke but he couldn't be more ill suited to the current set up with poor passing and little pace(I'm totallly against the current set up BTW ) .
Sadly Yacob is suited to how Karanka sets up with one up top so will do well for them.
Thirdly we'll likely not know whether Jenkins axed him or as some say he walked away from the club .
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 08, 2018, 02:48:43 PM
I always felt Claudio had a pretty decent footballing brain that had been thoroughly well schooled in the tough South American leagues which pretty much made up for his shortcomings in pace and occasional lapses
I miss his infectious and mischievous smile too ;D but the team misses his nasty face  >:(
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: geoff on November 08, 2018, 07:48:15 PM
If Yacob is the answer, we need to look at the question again.

Brunt and Morrison should have gone with Yacob and some energy should have been brought in.

Imo we should have signed Woods and tested the water at the vile in relation to Hourihane.

We need the box to box energy and never say die attitude of a Mulumbu.

I can't argue with that Mukka.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 09, 2018, 07:55:04 AM
If Yacob is the answer, we need to look at the question again.

Brunt and Morrison should have gone with Yacob and some energy should have been brought in.

Imo we should have signed Woods and tested the water at the vile in relation to Hourihane.

We need the box to box energy and never say die attitude of a Mulumbu.

We need both types of player in my opinion. A Yacob to put his foot in an break up play and a Mulumbu to carry it forward and link up with the attacking players.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albionic on November 09, 2018, 11:49:10 AM
We need both types of player in my opinion. A Yacob to put his foot in an break up play and a Mulumbu to carry it forward and link up with the attacking players.

exactamundo, those 2 in tandem were a force !
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on November 09, 2018, 04:23:46 PM

Yacob was just too one dimensional...especially playing in a central two. Mulumbu always struggled when he was closed down and out-numbered which is exactly what's happening to our current central two whoever plays there.

In the absence of two genuine CMs with quality and work rate, we currently need to play with 3 in there to get some parity in midfield.

 
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: gerry m on November 09, 2018, 05:53:01 PM
If Yacob is the answer, we need to look at the question again.

Brunt and Morrison should have gone with Yacob and some energy should have been brought in.

Imo we should have signed Woods and tested the water at the vile in relation to Hourihane.

We need the box to box energy and never say die attitude of a Mulumbu.

Correct! Brunt and Morrison's legs have gone! It looks like Big Dave has gone with experience but it is not working.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: VANDERLEI on November 09, 2018, 11:07:29 PM
I can't believe anybody who has watched Yacob play week in, week out would ever think it was the right decision to let him leave. He was the best defensive midfielder we have had in a long time. He should be playing in the Prem, never mind us. One of my favourite Albion players of all time.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 09, 2018, 11:32:06 PM
I can't believe anybody who has watched Yacob play week in, week out would ever think it was the right decision to let him leave. He was the best defensive midfielder we have had in a long time. He should be playing in the Prem, never mind us. One of my favourite Albion players of all time.
Maybe so. But quite often he was a ticking time bomb. If he got booked early, he had to hold back with what he was good at.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: VANDERLEI on November 09, 2018, 11:34:53 PM
Maybe so. But quite often he was a ticking time bomb. If he got booked early, he had to hold back with what he was good at.

I don't recall him holding back to often. His positional sense and tenacity was first class. Limited with his range of passing but actually had better passing stats than he is given credit for and let's face it, he'd still do a sterling job of protecting our garbage back 3.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: geoff on November 10, 2018, 08:49:56 AM
Yacob was just too one dimensional...especially playing in a central two. Mulumbu always struggled when he was closed down and out-numbered which is exactly what's happening to our current central two whoever plays there.

In the absence of two genuine CMs with quality and work rate, we currently need to play with 3 in there to get some parity in midfield.

He was a old fashioned stopper someone who break up play at which he was very good. His motto should have been
" Take No Prisoners "
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on November 10, 2018, 09:27:07 AM
I can't believe anybody who has watched Yacob play week in, week out would ever think it was the right decision to let him leave. He was the best defensive midfielder we have had in a long time. He should be playing in the Prem, never mind us. One of my favourite Albion players of all time.
The reason he's not playing in the prem and not a regular starter in the Championship is a lot of good judges realise his limited style of play doesn't fit in with what is needed for their team in the modern game.
As for your first sentence, we all have opinions, you obviously wanted us to re-sign another player over 30 who is slow and doesn't play a forward pass....a lot of us think it was the right thing to do. We also should have let Morrison go and re-modelled our midfield further.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albionic on November 29, 2018, 04:43:50 PM
Played in the WBA 5 Man U 5 (SAF retirement game) and the AVFC 5 v NFFC 5 game

not many players been in 2* 5-5 games i should think.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Adder on November 29, 2018, 06:19:20 PM
Played in the WBA 5 Man U 5 (SAF retirement game) and the AVFC 5 v NFFC 5 game

not many players been in 2* 5-5 games i should think.
Not great really if your trade is shielding the back four !
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: baggie82 on November 29, 2018, 11:02:09 PM
I can't believe anybody who has watched Yacob play week in, week out would ever think it was the right decision to let him leave. He was the best defensive midfielder we have had in a long time. He should be playing in the Prem, never mind us. One of my favourite Albion players of all time.

Agreed. Had he been in playing in central midfield this season I would have expected us to be top and clear of the pack already. Forrest fans are raving about him, describing him as the best midfielder in the championship. Their local paper said he was outstanding and both Michael Dawson and Lewis Grabban have been singing his praises. None of that is a surprise as he was 8/10 every game us for years.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 30, 2018, 12:10:41 AM
Agreed. Had he been in playing in central midfield this season I would have expected us to be top and clear of the pack already. Forrest fans are raving about him, describing him as the best midfielder in the championship. Their local paper said he was outstanding and both Michael Dawson and Lewis Grabban have been singing his praises. None of that is a surprise as he was 8/10 every game us for years.
I had no qualms about Yacob being allowed to leave. He certainly wasn’t an 8/10 every game, especially when the red mist took him over. However, I was a tad miffed that we felt no need to replace him.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: albion59 on November 30, 2018, 07:33:07 AM
I had no qualms about Yacob being allowed to leave. He certainly wasn’t an 8/10 every game, especially when the red mist took him over. However, I was a tad miffed that we felt no need to replace him.
He was certainly 8/10 in my eyes. Should never have been let go
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 30, 2018, 08:13:13 AM
I had no qualms about Yacob being allowed to leave. He certainly wasn’t an 8/10 every game, especially when the red mist took him over. However, I was a tad miffed that we felt no need to replace him.

I think this red mist thing is a bit of a myth, he was booked 47 times in 175 for us in all comps and sent off twice. So he was booked once every 3.7 games and sent off once every 87.5 games. I don't think that's bad for a combative midfielder.

https://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=59937
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Dexy on November 30, 2018, 08:31:47 AM
Agreed. Had he been in playing in central midfield this season I would have expected us to be top and clear of the pack already. Forrest fans are raving about him, describing him as the best midfielder in the championship. Their local paper said he was outstanding and both Michael Dawson and Lewis Grabban have been singing his praises. None of that is a surprise as he was 8/10 every game us for years.
I've said before I'm a huge Yacob fan but he'd be unsuited to how we are trying to evolve , he doesn't have the pace or passing range needed. He is however excellent at reading a game and sitting in a midfield five which is pretty much how Forest play. Think back to the times numerous managers have tried 4 4 2 with Yacob and how he struggled , 4 3 3 we use right now would kill him.
Massive respect for Claudio but he does limit how you play.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: Albionic on November 30, 2018, 09:20:15 AM
Not great really if your trade is shielding the back four !

That is a great point, well made.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: boinging_along on November 30, 2018, 10:29:57 AM
I've said before I'm a huge Yacob fan but he'd be unsuited to how we are trying to evolve , he doesn't have the pace or passing range needed. He is however excellent at reading a game and sitting in a midfield five which is pretty much how Forest play. Think back to the times numerous managers have tried 4 4 2 with Yacob and how he struggled , 4 3 3 we use right now would kill him.
Massive respect for Claudio but he does limit how you play.

Agree 100%.  I thought yacob was great but I can't see how he'd fit into our team at the moment.  CM two of Yacob and Livermore.
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: skyclad99 on November 30, 2018, 11:31:12 AM
Great player and great memories, but he has moved on and so should we .............
Title: Re: Claudio Yacob
Post by: SmethDan on November 30, 2018, 12:19:23 PM
Gave Greasy Jack a kicking the other night, damned good man  8) .