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Title: James Morrison
Post by: eaststandbaggie on March 26, 2011, 11:57:10 AM
I live in Scotland and Morrison was interviewed with Scotland squad.Not only is his head heavily stitched he has an enormous black eye down to his cheek.It makes you realise not only how brave he was to come back on against Arsenal but how strong his desire is to fight for this team and be part of it.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: reis wbafc patel on March 26, 2011, 12:27:48 PM
I saw him do the cross bar challenge on soccer am, and he missed by a mile!  :P
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggieboyjop on March 26, 2011, 12:35:22 PM
Nice to see a bit of old fashioned grit, determination and passion. Keep it up for the rest of the season and i feel a premier league spot is ours for the taking for next season
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 26, 2011, 07:37:49 PM
Fair play to him for showing true grit last week.For me he does not do enough.Scores the odd classic and thats it
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 26, 2011, 09:41:35 PM
Fair play to him for showing true grit last week.For me he does not do enough.Scores the odd classic and thats it
Berbatov
Bendtner
Balotelli
Torres
Arteta
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on March 27, 2011, 02:41:53 AM
I saw him do the cross bar challenge on soccer am, and he missed by a mile!  :P

I remember him and Brunty hitting the cross bar from a couple of seasons ago... :P
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: pointergeorge on March 27, 2011, 04:20:03 PM
The ITV commentator Called him Morrisoni after a great bit of Brazilian style football.  He had a good game and was well placed to score when Adam blazed it over when a pass was all that was needed,
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on March 27, 2011, 04:49:45 PM
Looking at his head and eye he also did well to play any part today aswell as actually completing the game last weekend
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: greggy8689 on March 27, 2011, 05:02:16 PM
Berbatov
Bendtner
Balotelli
Torres
Arteta

Really Berbatov and Arteta? Berbatov has been very good for man utd and Arteta can run the Everton midfield.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: The Joust on March 27, 2011, 08:30:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er1ev18h0EI

Love this!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: AlbionBest on March 27, 2011, 09:19:21 PM
The ITV commentator Called him Morrisoni after a great bit of Brazilian style football.  He had a good game and was well placed to score when Adam blazed it over when a pass was all that was needed,

Did ok considering the opposition and how poor going forward Scotland were..................
How poor was Charlie Adam !!!  Shocking yet he seems to be believing his own hype trying 'hollywood' passes every time.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 27, 2011, 09:25:45 PM
Morrison was the pick of the Scotland players today, got 89 minutes under his belt against a man he'll face-up to at the Hawthorns next Saturday. Well done Mozza, you are much underrated on here.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jack Russell on March 28, 2011, 08:50:25 AM
Morrison was the pick of the Scotland players today, got 89 minutes under his belt against a man he'll face-up to at the Hawthorns next Saturday. Well done Mozza, you are much underrated on here.


Overrated by some morelike.much too lightweight for me.Occasional good game.Never got a metion by a certain scottish Alan Brazil in his aftermatch
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mister AT on March 28, 2011, 08:53:43 AM
Techinically hes a good player... Just seems to be missing that little something to take him onto the next level.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on March 28, 2011, 10:47:20 PM
Techinically hes a good player... Just seems to be missing that little something to take him onto the next level.

Experience...?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on March 28, 2011, 10:53:57 PM
Techinically hes a good player... Just seems to be missing that little something to take him onto the next level.
The ability to produce what we know he can produce on a consistent basis.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: lewisant on March 29, 2011, 09:36:41 AM
i think he's been excellent of late
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 31, 2011, 02:37:22 AM
wish he could score the simple goals as well as his screamers!
think he should play on the right wing rather than behind peter O
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: greggy8689 on March 31, 2011, 09:35:39 AM
Experience...?

He probably has the most premiership experience out of our players.

wish he could score the simple goals as well as his screamers!
think he should play on the right wing rather than behind peter O

Morrison this season has looked his best on the right wing which is his natural position. I believe Dorrans is more suited to playing behind the striker.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: hardtobeat on March 31, 2011, 05:58:14 PM
I think Morrison is the sort of player that wont be fully appreciated until a time comes that for whatever reason he is no longer available to us.Don't deny he's had his bad games (ain't they all) but i think he is a good solid premier league player.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggieboyjop on March 31, 2011, 06:00:31 PM
I think Morrison is the sort of player that wont be fully appreciated until a time comes that for whatever reason he is no longer available to us.Don't deny he's had his bad games (ain't they all) but i think he is a good solid premier league player.

Here here  ;)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on March 31, 2011, 06:06:10 PM
I think hes a very good technical player and is an asset, however you can help but think his injuries have stalled his development.

When he joined I felt he would go further and further in his development however I still feel hes the same player that joined us. Thats not a slight on him as he was a very good player when he joined however if better players come in I could see him being left behind
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on March 31, 2011, 08:34:21 PM
He probably has the most premiership experience out of our players.

Yes, but I was thinking more in terms of maturity. Jim is still very young.

Morrison this season has looked his best on the right wing which is his natural position. I believe Dorrans is more suited to playing behind the striker.

Agreed.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieJames114 on March 31, 2011, 10:22:43 PM
Think he is a very good member of a very competitive midfield. We have some strong midfielders like Brunt, Dorrans, Mulumbu, Scharner, Thomas, Tchoyi, Barnes and Morrison.
I like Morrison, hes quick and can run with the ball, his passing is excellent and he chips in with goals. Although, he does seem to score the harder chances.

Valuable member of our side should we stay up or go down.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Rich99 on March 31, 2011, 10:55:01 PM
I like Morrison, hes quick...

Maybe I'm wrong about it, but I have to say that I wouldn't class him as particularly quick myself.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Rich99 on March 31, 2011, 10:58:48 PM
Credit to Morrison for playing on with a stitched head, Roy clearly thinks him important to the set up.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: richjonawba on May 25, 2011, 09:06:31 PM
Just bagged a good goal for Scotland, hes playing very well also, better than ive seen him play for ages for us. Watching this has actually reminded me how good he could be.

Recently i had lost faith in him abit because he has been poor mostly this season, bar a few very good goals. Hopefully he can get some form back next season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: richjonawba on May 25, 2011, 09:09:35 PM
just assisted a goal for dingle miller as well
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie Artist on May 25, 2011, 09:17:30 PM
Myhill is playing as well of course. Made some decent saves in the first half.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Gamma on May 25, 2011, 09:24:56 PM
He played very well actually and made some fantastic runs. Definitely one to keep ;) Not that anyone is suggesting otherwise, it's just I saw a post saying we'd be swapping him for Scott dann. Not only is that utter.. Rubbish ;) But Morrison is a great player to have.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggieboyjop on May 25, 2011, 09:41:46 PM
A big well done to mozza which has topped off a good few internationals for our guys with coxy scoring yesterday too
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: telford baggie on May 25, 2011, 09:43:14 PM
both had good games, morrison was very good going forward had alot of the ball and myhill made some good saves for a poor wales side
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on May 25, 2011, 09:59:58 PM
He played very well actually and made some fantastic runs. Definitely one to keep ;) Not that anyone is suggesting otherwise, it's just I saw a post saying we'd be swapping him for Scott dann. Not only is that utter.. Rubbish ;) But Morrison is a great player to have.
He hasn't been one of my favourite players this season and I've criticised him a fair bit, but I still see him as a good player and will be useful asset for the squad next season. Think he's a better right sided midfield player than an attacking mid behind the forward, and will be good backup to Brunt )as well as offering something different to him being right footed.)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 25, 2011, 10:00:55 PM
Glad to see Mozza score at times this season, he has been poor, but then at other games he has looked very good.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Rich99 on May 25, 2011, 10:02:43 PM
Well done to Mozza, it's his birthday as well I think, or so the commentator said.  Happy birthday.

Like with NI yesterday though, it was hardly the strongest Wales side in the world, so let's not get too carried away, he's not morphed into Messi overnight. :-*
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 25, 2011, 10:11:03 PM
Links up play reasonably well but it was a very good performance from the lad tonight.

Just seems there are some games where he doesn't actually appear to do much even though he is still doing the basics well so I think that clouds our judgement of him at times, the reason he looks better on the wing for us is that it gets him more involved in play I think.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Rich99 on May 25, 2011, 10:15:17 PM
I think he's certainly good enough for our squad and is a mid table, lower Premiership quality player.

The odd spectacular goal aside I think he's a no thrills technically competent bod, who links up play fairly well.  He's very much a cog in a team, rather than an individual, in my opinion.

If we were to move him on (I very much doubt we will) I'm fairly sure another Premiership side would come in for him, at very least a newly promoted one.  I don't think one can say that for all our players.

He's certainly good enough for our squad right now, in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on May 25, 2011, 10:18:42 PM
Think he's good, but not good enough for us. Perhaps a good attacking sub to bring on and we should keep him, but right now there's no room for him.

It just goes to show how much we've improved. It wasn't 3 seasons ago that the likes of Bednar, Zuiverloon, Koren and Teixera where 'our future'. Now they have all be sold on surplus to requirements. Shows the club has improved in a short moment of time.

Still, I wouldn't class him in their bracket. He's still got some amazing skills, but too often is inconsistent to be a starter.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Pistol Pete on May 25, 2011, 10:47:20 PM
Keep Morrison in the squad, he was Scotland's best player tonight IMO. He's too lightweight for a holding role and is more suited at being in behind a striker but he's only young and can improve. Very good squad player for us.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on May 25, 2011, 11:02:55 PM
Morrison is entering his best years as footballer now. Hopefully he can find his top form for next season, overall I had expected a little bit more from him this season. But he definitely has chipped in with telling contributions in games this year.

If we get a good offer I think the club could move him on this summer, but it would have to be a really good offer. Jimmy is a good little player but he will have to work his butt off this summer to stay in the team, which can only be a good thing. He is not an automatic choice anymore and he has to rise to that challenge.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on May 28, 2011, 07:27:10 PM
Quote
http://thesun.mobi/thescottishsun/sport/3605687/Scots-midfield-is-best-for-decades.html?mob=1

""We've actually got more players available to us now. I'm talking strength in depth. The biggest improvement for me over the last year has been James Morrison. He has been a revelation, and has now firmly established himself as one of our main players.

"I'm trying to get players to track back, doing the horrible, nasty stuff, and James is doing that. What pleases most is that he is learning to play that attacking midfield role.

Fantastic

"He [Morrison] cleverly gets himself into areas and spots where gaps are going to appear before they appear. When he gets there his touch and his awareness is fantastic.

"James doesn't say an awful lot, but he is a tremendous example to other players, in the way he plays and behaves.

"His team-mates are big fans. He doesn't get a lot of credit for the way he plays the game, but he has got everything. He's quick, he's fit, he is technically very good, he's got a very good game intelligence. "

High praise indeed :p
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on May 28, 2011, 07:29:47 PM
He is a gritty little player with some ability but he wasnt as good this year as he was the last time in the prem.

I cant help but feel in the next few years both WBA and Scotland will have better midfielder's available to them who may keep Mozza on the sidelines.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 28, 2011, 07:30:44 PM
Pity he as not improved with us this season
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on May 28, 2011, 07:34:50 PM
On the other hand very few players improve in a steady curve. If Mozza is with us next season I hope he finally takes that next step up to a higher level. He is at a good age to do so now.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kris_boing on May 28, 2011, 10:09:00 PM
He spent most of last season out injured and beforehand was predominantly used out wide.

We have to remember he is still relatively young and I'm not entirely sure that role behind the front man suits his game.

He is without doubt Premier League quality and should be part of our squad.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 28, 2011, 10:19:10 PM
He spent most of last season out injured and beforehand was predominantly used out wide.

We have to remember he is still relatively young and I'm not entirely sure that role behind the front man suits his game.

He is without doubt Premier League quality and should be part of our squad.


I must admit i have been James Morrison's biggest critic but you are right he was out with a lengthy injury last season.Cut him some slack,Big season for him next season
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggiebof on May 28, 2011, 11:45:34 PM
I like Mozza starting out wide and drifting into the middle to find the gaps. Similar to Brunty I suppose. I thought when Brunt and Thomas were missing against Villa, Morrison played really well and I was impressed by his willingness to get on the ball and lead. Unfortunately Vela on the other flank was trying to do the same and it didn't quite work in that game but it showed to me that that is where Morrison is best. Bit too lightweight to start in the middle but drifting in from wide to find the gaps suits him to the ground, I think.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BearwoodBaggie on May 29, 2011, 10:41:50 AM

I must admit i have been James Morrison's biggest critic but you are right he was out with a lengthy injury last season.Cut him some slack,Big season for him next season

Me too, I've been critical at times but I do agree that his heel injury played a part in that, next season he will be better. Undoubtedly got very good technical ability and good work rate. Good player to have.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 29, 2011, 05:47:45 PM
Well done to Mozza, technically he's okay although the attacking midfielder position is suited for much better players in my opinion with myself favouring Graham Dorrans, Simon Cox and Somen Tchoyi to that role.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on May 29, 2011, 06:50:46 PM
Deserved praise for Mozza, he is a good player and glad we have him.

I hope Roy finds a more defined role for him next season. Mozza is very very good at finding those little pockets of space, now he needs to learn to take the game to the opponents penalty area more. I am a little frustrated with him because I feel there is a real player in there and he is tantalizingly close to breaking out, but inconsitency (lack of defined role?) keeps him back. He must learn to stamp his authority on games more instead of drifting in and out and take the game by the horns and force it his way. He must be a leader on the pitch for us.

However he is only 25, over the next three or four years I hope we will see a first rate player emerge, he has it in him. 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on May 29, 2011, 07:07:33 PM
Strangely absent from Levein's team against ROI tonight, not even on the bench.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: jonny on May 29, 2011, 07:43:41 PM
Strangely absent from Levein's team against ROI tonight, not even on the bench.

Sure I read somewhere he was injured?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Political Cake on May 29, 2011, 07:55:48 PM
Yes, he was sent home with a minor leg injury, I heard.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Londonbaggymike on May 31, 2011, 10:13:38 AM
Yes, he was sent home with a minor leg injury, I heard.

Fits in with the "content to warm the bench" quote I read about him on another thread!

Can't get my head round some opinions.  :(
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: 63Brummie on May 31, 2011, 10:28:20 AM
Well done to Mozza, technically he's okay although the attacking midfielder position is suited for much better players in my opinion with myself favouring Graham Dorrans, Simon Cox and Somen Tchoyi to that role.
Good point, but he's a BLOODY GOOD SQUAD PLAYER though 8)
With the rigours of the premiership season and possible cup runs, not to mention silly international friendlies in outer space ??? ::)...we need to really use the  squad a lot more next term.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: lewisant on May 31, 2011, 10:57:53 AM
when we were last in the prem he was our best player imo. long injury then bought back out of position. i'd like to see him start on the right and hopefully get back to his best, i have faith in him. next season, brunt on the left, mozza on the right, dozza attack midfield please. thomas as an impact sub or starting against slower full backs. i think mozza still has a massive role to play here
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 31, 2011, 11:01:53 AM
The problem with saying he came back after injury out of position is that Morrison says his natural position is in the middle even though most fans would completely disagree. He is a fantastic player to have in the squad and is a little underrated but the key is to strengthen the squad as much as possible so although he has a role to play he may need to step up a level if he can to stay in the starting XI.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggieboyjop on May 31, 2011, 05:49:19 PM
Well done to Mozza, technically he's okay although the attacking midfielder position is suited for much better players in my opinion with myself favouring Graham Dorrans, Simon Cox and Somen Tchoyi to that role.

Agree. I do like mozza and am pleased he is progressing up the scotland pecking order but i just think he wouldnt get into our full strength side as we have players that are better than him and perhaps more suited than him. I've always thought he is best as a winger which for me was proved in our premiership season under mowbray where he was one of our stand out players. Having said all that i think he is a very good squad player for us and the odd screamer tops it all of nicely  ;D
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Rich99 on May 31, 2011, 05:54:26 PM
I'm not his biggest fan, but I think he's at very least definitely good enough for our squad in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: KingKoren on May 31, 2011, 06:04:53 PM
It's a shame for Morrison that he plays in a league where so much onus is put on physicality and aggression, which are not his strengths. He is a very good football who is 10x better than Cox imo, with the ball at his feet.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie79 on July 07, 2011, 08:55:59 PM
He has scored a couple of goals and a few assists but is he really good enough to make a big differance at this level or should we take the money now Gera will sign?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: The Joust on July 07, 2011, 08:58:07 PM
He has scored a couple of goals and a few assists but is he really good enough to make a big differance at this level or should we take the money now Gera will sign?

I always think he looks a lot better on the right wing. I know he's not the quickest but he always seems effective imo. Not in Darrans' league for the 'behind the striker' position.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: DaveWBA on July 07, 2011, 09:00:12 PM
I'd sell. Too lightweight for the Premier League.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on July 07, 2011, 09:00:37 PM
I think hes a cracking player but injuries have shunted his development in my view and is just a squad player now so he may not wish to just sit on the bench
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: yetik55 on July 07, 2011, 09:05:19 PM
I will probably get lambasted but i have never rated him.
I struggle to recall many great performances and cant see him really pushing on to the next level as the likes of Brunt, Mulumbu and Dorrans have.

I think his days are numbered if we recruit new midfielders as he is a bench player at best at the mo.
You have to ask if he could get in any decent premiership team and if the answers no then do we really need him if we are looking to push on to the next level.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 07, 2011, 09:11:50 PM
I think when he arrived he had a ton of potential, and indeed started as one of our best players. Whether its being played out of position, or the injuries, he simply hasn't fulfilled his potential. He does the odd spectacular thing (goal against Man Ure for instance), but I don't think his all-round game is up to inclusion in our strongest 11.

I'll trust Roy's judgement though...if he thinks he'll make it, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 07, 2011, 09:13:49 PM
I like him and think he makes a good squad player as things stand. If you are to continue improving the squad though then he would be the first midfielder to make way for me. I watched the season review the other day and he did look better than I remembered but there are too many games where he was anonymous for most of them.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 07, 2011, 09:14:21 PM
I think this could do with an unsure option.

He can be good one game and then not be involved for the next four or five. I've often questioned some of the contributions he's made in some games but credit to him he's got some goals. He just seems to slow in comparison to Simon Cox and Graham Dorrans when they're playing behind the striker.

However, the lad trys his heart off and that for me is good enough to keep him as a squad player.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: silver surfer on July 07, 2011, 09:20:25 PM
KEEP HIM
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Barrington on July 07, 2011, 09:43:34 PM
I think he's a decent squad player. He proved too lightweight for the middle of the park last season though and i think he's naturally more effective on the right wing. He has got some good technical ability and he does, on occasion, pop up with something special. I wouldn't be too hasty in getting rid of him. As some have said, the poll could probably do with an "unsure" option. He was out for a good while with that injury to be fair to the lad. Don't play him down the middle though, we have much stronger options in there.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mulumbu99 on July 07, 2011, 09:53:31 PM
quality player, proved he was a prem player under tm. class is permanent.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: DozzaIsKing on July 07, 2011, 10:10:56 PM
going to be a very close-run thing, this poll. He'll do nothing for 3 games then score a screamer in an important game and be instrumental in our build-up play. I'd be sad to see him go, but I see him as more of a squad player, and would imagine he wouldn't want to be warming the bench.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BB74 on July 07, 2011, 10:12:31 PM
I would sell. You never know when that blister might appear again.

It's time to move on. We aren't in the Championship anymore.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 07, 2011, 10:16:08 PM
I'd like to see him playing right midfield again. I think it's a simple case of attacking midfield just not suiting him, at least in the formation we play. It's no coincidence that during the Mowbray Premiership season he played right midfield and was considered one of our best players, and that during last season he played attacking mid and is now a player that a lot of people aren't sure about. I'd have him compete with Gera and Brunt for the right midfield berth next season, hopefully if he gets a chance there he can restore his reputation with us.

Although I would say if we do sign another midfielder who plays in the positions Morrison plays (I like the sound of Collison) then I'm afraid Morrison would have to make way for him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 07, 2011, 10:17:07 PM
is he good enough to play in the premier league?   yes
is he could enough to play for Albion?  yes has goals in him provides tempo
is he could enough to start? probably not there are numerous players above him in pecking order good squad player
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kris_boing on July 07, 2011, 10:22:40 PM
I think hes definitely good enough.  The only problem for him is he has no defined role.

He's not strong enough to play in central midfield and his close range passing isnt good enough.  Mulumbu and Scharner are far better in that deep role.  Playing in that advanced role I dont think suits him either.  He doesnt contribute enough goals in that role IMO.  Cox and Dorrans are better options.

I think his best position is out wide.  He's tricky, close control is good, neat and tidy and can deliver a decent cross. His problem is that Brunt and Thomas and now possibly Gera will be ahead of him too.

He'll be a great squad player because I think he has definite Premier League quality but I'm just not sure he would first team material.

If we recieved a good offer for him I'd be tempted to cash in and reinvest where the squad needs strengthening.  i.e. RB, CB and CF.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie Artist on July 07, 2011, 10:25:03 PM
Yes, I think he'll be a surprise star for us this season on the right wing. He wasn't even that bad last season, I know it can be a cliche but he really does do a lot of work that people don't notice, often playing that second last pass before a goal for example.

He's a good all round midfielder as well, who can do a bit of everything, so very much a Hodgson type of midfielder.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on July 07, 2011, 10:27:59 PM
He was our best player in the premier league season under Mowbray so he can hack this level but im not sure how he fits into our midfield at the moment. Seems the most obvious casualty if Gera and Thorne our going to get into the side.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RyanCoops on July 07, 2011, 10:29:25 PM
Think a lot of his work goes unnoticed, such as assists for goals (Odemwingie's first ever goal for us v Sunderland) as well as coming up with the odd screamer, definitely can make a big impact for us this upcoming season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: blandyisabaggie on July 07, 2011, 10:37:13 PM
I think hes worth keeping as a quality squad player. He can pick out a ball so well sometimes and can hit a ball so hard. However, he needs to get on the weights
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 07, 2011, 10:42:02 PM
I am a bit unsure about Mozza, he is a good back up player and scores soem great goals.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: brummyroader on July 08, 2011, 09:47:53 AM
It's his quality on the ball that makes him a good player, should keep him as he showed last year he can play anywhere in midfield always gives 110% definately should keep him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 08, 2011, 09:53:33 AM
Not good enough to start.much to lightweight.Championship Player.In his defense since his injury hes not been the same player
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jack_Wba11 on July 08, 2011, 10:24:06 AM
The 08/09 season (I think it was), I felt he was our best player. He was the one player that looked like he could make something happen, he used to run at the defenders and really provide an extra spark. Since he has come back from injury he hasn't really looked the same and I would say he has looked one of the weaker players in and around the first 11. I think we should keep him for a season unless we can use him to secure a big signing.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: joeymayo on July 08, 2011, 10:38:45 AM
Oh dear it looks like the Scottish International James Morrison is going to be the new target now Scotty has eloped to Turkey. This has been on the cards since people assumed he was going to replace Dorrans. This guy is good enough for Albion and probably good enough for over 50% of premier league teams.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: elminius on July 08, 2011, 10:49:36 AM
Oh dear it looks like the Scottish International James Morrison is going to be the new target now Scotty has eloped to Turkey. This has been on the cards since people assumed he was going to replace Dorrans. This guy is good enough for Albion and probably good enough for over 50% of premier league teams.

So assuming Dorrans plays next season where would you play Morrison? He cant tackle to save his life and he doesnt have a burst of speed or trickery to be a winger so what is his best position? Personally for me if he doesnt merit a starting place then I would sell as he doesnt provide any impact coming off the bench
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wbatesy on July 08, 2011, 10:56:31 AM
Every time I moaned about him being weak last season he shut me up by scoring so long may it continue: James, you aren't good enough! ;)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: dan7heman on July 08, 2011, 11:18:21 AM
Send him to daddy mowbray at boro. :-X
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jack Russell on July 08, 2011, 11:21:38 AM
Time for him to move on.He is a squad player at best
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 08, 2011, 11:30:47 AM
Oh dear it looks like the Scottish International James Morrison is going to be the new target now Scotty has eloped to Turkey. This has been on the cards since people assumed he was going to replace Dorrans. This guy is good enough for Albion and probably good enough for over 50% of premier league teams.

Total over-reaction there and trying to make something from nothing.

So by your theory people cannot have a view on a player unless its to sa the sun shines out of his backside ?

From what I can see the posts in this thread are all non abusive  and in no way suggest he is the 'new target' just people saying what they think of him on the pitch.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Savvas78 on July 08, 2011, 11:47:00 AM
Unless a shiny new signing comes to us, I see no reason to get rid. He is easily good enough as a squad player and do a job coming off the bench.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on July 08, 2011, 11:48:03 AM
On his day and played in his right position Morrisson is a quality player.
I dont believe we saw the best of him last season and he will need to step up his game this year with Dorrans and potentially another new signing being available.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: elminius on July 08, 2011, 11:59:42 AM
Unless a shiny new signing comes to us, I see no reason to get rid. He is easily good enough as a squad player and do a job coming off the bench.

What sort of job he is hardly an impact player is he?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Pistol Pete on July 08, 2011, 12:09:54 PM
Morrison does a job. Obviously I'd prefer to see other people such as Dorrans or even Tchoyi playing over him but he's scored a few important goals this season and worked hard every game. He deserves his place in the club and is still only young and probably keen to challenge for starting position which is always good motivation for our other players. The fact Morrison is now listed as one of our squad players just shows how much we've progressed over the past few years.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Slimbo on July 08, 2011, 12:21:11 PM
I think hes definitely good enough.  The only problem for him is he has no defined role.


Spot on, who do you drop Mulumbu, Scharner, Dorrans, Brunt, Thomas - none of the above.

I like Mozza and hope he still has a big future at the Albion.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on July 08, 2011, 02:35:27 PM
I think how much game time he gets will depend on the shape and style of football Roy adopts. Morrison can play either wide right or as the attacking midfielder in a 4-5-1 although I do not think he will be first choice in either position.  If Roy moves to a 4-4-2 then his opportunities will greatly diminish. If he is not getting game time then I think he will move on at the end of the season.

 Yes I think he is good enough and if we as fans really start to question players of Morrison's calibre as being good enough for the Albion we are about join the ranks of deluded at Villa Park and the Sports Direct Stadium.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: VVVAlbion on July 08, 2011, 02:43:14 PM
This shows to me either

i) how far we have come as a team to even consider whether Morrison is good enough to play for the Albion

or

ii) how much the expectations of our fans have grown?

Scottish international Morrison is clearly (in my opinion  ::)) good enough to play for the Albion. Is he first choice in any of the positions he plays, possibly not at the minute. Will this be the case all season, with injuries and suspensions, probably not.

Morrison or Tony Kelly?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieBoiJono on July 08, 2011, 02:43:59 PM
These kind of threads do my head in, James Morrison is a very good player and were lucky to have him.

Anybody who goes to the games would not vote NO.

His link up play with Odemwingie at times was brilliant, hes got a great shot and works very hard.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: SuperDorrans on July 08, 2011, 02:48:22 PM
Always something to moan about on here, Morrison made a great contribution last season in keeping us up by scoring some very important goals, he is definitely good enough, he is never going to be the greatest player but he works hard, has good technical ability and an eye for goal, I don't really see how you people can say he isn't good enough.

If Morrison becomes the new scapegoat for fans then that is pathetic.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 08, 2011, 02:57:21 PM
We may as well close the site down then if we aren't going to be able to discuss our opinions on here. No one is going to games and singling him out for criticism just for the sake of it after every game unfairly like other players have been in the past.

People can say he isn't good enough by judging his performances for themselves, there were too many games where he was a passenger last season and with a fully fit squad I reckon most on here wouldn't have Morrison in their starting XI. That does not make him a scapegoat at all with many saying he is still a good squad member but if you could improve that position then he would be the one to lose out for me, never any middle ground with some though it is either one extreme of the other.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: jim68 on July 08, 2011, 02:59:25 PM
Spot on, who do you drop Mulumbu, Scharner, Dorrans, Brunt, Thomas - none of the above.

I like Mozza and hope he still has a big future at the Albion.
i agree very underated player has weighed in with some important goals and been at the start of moves which resulted in scoring even mulumbu as good a season he's had dwelled on the ball to long got dispossessed which we conceded from i e fulham  h/a  and  spring to mind :D
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: KingKoren on July 08, 2011, 03:06:56 PM
Fantastic player if he is deployed correctly. It does seem he is becoming labelled a weak link by some fans though.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WSBaggie on July 08, 2011, 03:24:19 PM
Morrison is good enough for us, who do we think we are? Starting to sound like the seals here.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Rich99 on July 08, 2011, 05:33:44 PM
Yes, I'd say he is though his goal threat is questionable in that attacking role.

Easily good enough for our squad at least I'd say.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: b65baggie on July 08, 2011, 10:53:28 PM
Hmmmmmmm .... Scott Carson's gone, think we may have a new target for the Boo Boys !
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 08, 2011, 10:57:26 PM
Last time we were in the Premier League, Morrison was consistently performing (not scoring, just performing) and was easily one of our best players under Mowbray in the PL. I like him, rate him and think he's good enough. It shows with his goals against Manchester United and Birmingham City. And if you think he's not good enough, I assume Miller, Fortune and Bednar are well below standards, and Cox isn't safe either, as him and Mozza are fairly close.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on July 08, 2011, 11:33:00 PM
I voted 'no' but on second thoughts it's 'maybe'.

He's definitely a fancy player whose strength is attacking and not defending. I think if he were used as an attacking substitute in need of goals (when we're losing) then he could do a job. However, I wouldn't start him or expect too much. Nonetheless, his wondergoals and attacking play alone is pretty valuable.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: westbrom4ever on July 09, 2011, 12:24:34 AM
He is our best midfielder.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 09, 2011, 12:53:15 AM
He is our best midfielder.
Think you might be alone on that one.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kie the baggie on July 09, 2011, 03:21:13 AM
i wonder if he can play in goal   ::)  ::)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggiee_Boyy_Benn on July 09, 2011, 11:42:49 AM
If the right offer came in i would let him go.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 09, 2011, 11:57:22 AM
He is our best midfielder.


More like the weakest.He is ok when we are on well on top in a game but ineffective when chasing a game
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mulumbu99 on July 09, 2011, 11:58:07 AM

More like the weakest.He is ok when we are on well on top in a game but ineffective when chasing a game

bit like every other player then
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on July 09, 2011, 12:02:51 PM
Oh dear it looks like the Scottish International James Morrison is going to be the new target now Scotty has eloped to Turkey. This has been on the cards since people assumed he was going to replace Dorrans. This guy is good enough for Albion and probably good enough for over 50% of premier league teams.

Another super fan?

Really, Id love to know what people get out of saying this tired old knackered out line every time somebody gives a negative opinion on a player. This is a message board - a fan site might be a better thing to follow if your not keen on seeing opinions that arent always positive. Stop stifling debate.

I think personally this is a good topic to have. It allows us to deabte the merits of a player who was on the fringes last season and who with more midfield additions seems the most likely to fall out of contention.

This isnt a Morrison bashing thread, many on here including me have pointed to the fact he was our best player in the premier league season under Mowbray. It is interesting to se however what people feel now we have a congested midfield with possibly one other to come in.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on July 09, 2011, 12:10:42 PM
Morrison is good enough for us, who do we think we are? Starting to sound like the seals here.

It's more down to who he is better than in the midfield already?

Mulumbu and Brunt usually get a place in the side. Add to that the new signing of Gera who's link up between midfield and striker will be a big reason behind him signing (he makes the transition easier than Morrison), Scharner who plays the role of anchoring the midfield, Dorrans who if he can get back to his championship form will be a strater every week and then the fast paced wing play of either Thomas or Tchoyi, not to mention the chance of another midfield addition and maybe even the promotion of George Thorne, the spaces for Morrison in the side start to dwindle.

It doesnt mean we are above a player like Morrison, but with such competition questions must be asked about which each player brings to the side and Morrison last season did sometimes struggle to really influence a game. He would kep things flowing because he is quite cultured but if Hodgson decides he wants clearer roles this year Morrison could miss out. After all, with Gera and Dorrans now competing with him for the role in that attacking midfield spot he is so often used in  you have to ask if he is better than those two players.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 09, 2011, 12:31:09 PM
Another super fan?

Really, Id love to know what people get out of saying this tired old knackered out line every time somebody gives a negative opinion on a player. This is a message board - a fan site might be a better thing to follow if your not keen on seeing opinions that arent always positive. Stop stifling debate.

I think personally this is a good topic to have. It allows us to deabte the merits of a player who was on the fringes last season and who with more midfield additions seems the most likely to fall out of contention.

This isnt a Morrison bashing thread, many on here including me have pointed to the fact he was our best player in the premier league season under Mowbray. It is interesting to se however what people feel now we have a congested midfield with possibly one other to come in.

Spot on, thats what forums like this are for, to discuss the club and its players either positive or negative.

Just because someone says something which doesn't fit the kiss someones backside line does not mean they are slating anyone or creating the new boo boy.

Its called an OPINION or a VIEW.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on July 09, 2011, 12:46:16 PM
Oh dear it looks like the Scottish International James Morrison is going to be the new target now Scotty has eloped to Turkey. This has been on the cards since people assumed he was going to replace Dorrans. This guy is good enough for Albion and probably good enough for over 50% of premier league teams.

Would you be so kind as to name who you think the 50% are?

Off the top of my head I would say Norwich and that's it.

Certainly wouldn't be a starter for a QPR, Swansea or Wigan in my opinion.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Aztech on July 09, 2011, 01:11:34 PM
Would you be so kind as to name who you think the 50% are?

Off the top of my head I would say Norwich and that's it.

Certainly wouldn't be a starter for a QPR, Swansea or Wigan in my opinion.

All about opinions!

I think he would be a starter for the likes of QPR, Swansea or Wigan.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on July 09, 2011, 01:21:59 PM
I personally feel Morrison would be a useful player for a few sides like Swansea, Norwich etc but wether he is more than that im not sure. If you want to push on an consolidate into a side capable of comepting at this level year on year will a player like Morrison really be in your first eleven?

He has abaility thats for sure and has scored some great goals but he isnt a dominant midfielder and you are usually waiting for that moment of class while allowing him to work hard and keep things moving but do other players offer more. Id personally say in the 451 - midfielder come striker role both Gera and Dorrans are better opttions due to them being more natural front men. This is Morrisons problem, he is a tidy midfielder with moments of brilliance but im not sure if he is an all action midfielder with enough about him to hold down the spot next season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Wbamitch on July 09, 2011, 02:15:01 PM
Unfortunately for Morrison injury has got in the way of his progress, i did predict good things from him last season and he didn't quite live up to his potential. Although he did score some cracking goals. His best days in the stripes were the championship winning season and the premiership season following that.
Looking back at those, he can produce the goods, unfortunately he has only shown glimpses of what he has to offer and in many games he has struggled.
A good squad player though and hopefully he can replicate the form he has showed previously for the Albion, i do believe he still has things to offer for the club and i would like him to stay.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 09, 2011, 02:23:59 PM
Re: Claiming Morrison is the new target for the boo-boys

Why can't we have an honest discussion about the merits, abilities and qualities of a player without somebody claiming its a witch hunt?

Just because he's an Albion player, it doesn't mean he's perfect. I would imagine discussions like this go on within the club, certainly between Ashworth and Hodgson, on a near continual basis.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggiebof on July 09, 2011, 02:50:51 PM
I often find myself getting frustrated at Morrison during a game or thinking he should be subbed and he has shut me up with either a goal or an assist. I think he's good enough for us, yes. I believe his best position is wide in a five-man midfield. He plays this position well, not as a winger but more of an attacking midfielder. He comes inside an finds space in between the lines, free of his marker. Villa at home was a perfect example of this, he was good that day.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: divinewind on July 09, 2011, 03:01:43 PM
Morrison was a shadow of himself last season but then so was Dorrans.

If we cane get them both back to their best this season we will have some midfield.

I think it takes a season to get back to form when you were out as long as Mozza was.
I would deffo keep him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dexy on July 09, 2011, 03:46:16 PM
We know he has shown quality before and quality in the squad is what we need.Dont forget we were lucky regarding long term injuries last season and this season we might not be so lucky so its a keep for me.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggieboyjop on July 10, 2011, 07:51:29 PM
Always something to moan about on here, Morrison made a great contribution last season in keeping us up by scoring some very important goals, he is definitely good enough, he is never going to be the greatest player but he works hard, has good technical ability and an eye for goal, I don't really see how you people can say he isn't good enough.

I understand where you're coming from here, i think morrison despite the odd few games where he goes missing like many others do he has done nothing majorly wrong to leave us wanting to get rid however i do feel that with gera most probably coming in, dorrans getting back to full fitness and tchoyi making his mark and our apparent reluctance to play him in his true position (RM) then i feel he will be lower down the pecking ordere next season which may mean a move away would be good for him. Not for us but definitely for him
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Lloydy on July 11, 2011, 09:24:48 AM
Just take a look at our other options in various positions and compare them to Morrison.

Would you play Morrison on the right instead of Brunt, Gera or Tchoyi? No.

Would you play Morrison on the left instead of Thomas, Tchoyi or Gera? No.

Would you play Morrison just off the striker instead of Dorrans, Tchoyi or Gera? No. He's probably a better option than Cox but that's it.

In my opinion he's right down the pecking order in every position, and if we sign Collison then I think the writing is on the wall for James.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 11, 2011, 10:03:36 AM
I like Morrison, but I can't really argue with anything Lloydy said. He could possibly be second choice on to Gera on the right if Hodgson decides to use Brunt soley on his favoured left side, but even then I'd probably opt to move back Brunt to the right and play Thomas on the left if Gera were unavailable. I'd have Dorrans, Tchoyi, Cox and Gera ahead of him in the middle. We do need more than one natural right sided player to play on the right, and I'd say we need at least three players who can play right mid/wing (Gera, Brunt and Morrison. Don't think Tchoyi is suited to play there) so I'd keep him for that. However, he's in the same position as Tamas, Cech, Myhill and maybe Jara as in if we get another player in who plays in their position (two in the case of Myhill) then it's probably the end for him here.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 11, 2011, 11:51:49 AM
i cant believe this discussion even exists!
we cant afford to axe players like this until we are an established side!
you can never have enough midfield options!

morrison is a big game player! had a blinder against man utd! one of the best players against chelsea!
massive contribution against wolves at home and both games against the noses!

scores some corking goals!

not to mention he adds tempo and some of his final passes are brilliant! the assist for pistol pete v sunderland first home game springs to mind
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Axel Foley on July 11, 2011, 01:19:10 PM
He's had a rough couple of years has Morrison and when you think back to the player we had when he first signed, he set a very high standard for himself. That's probably his biggest downfall. I think he's still good enough to play a part for us though without question.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: blandyisabaggie on July 11, 2011, 09:22:55 PM
I think hes worth keeping just for that kind of unpredictable quality he has, because we all know what he has in his locker (see blues games/man u game)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 11, 2011, 09:31:13 PM
If we're relying on being unpredictable then don't we have Somen Tchoyi for that? As much as he's a very good footballer I can't see any place for him in our starting X1 as at the moment our options are currently better. In my opinion, the reason he looked so good in the Tony Mowbray premier league season is because some of those around him weren't as good as what we have now. We've improved dramatically as a team and squad since those days.

A player who often scores some corkers doesn't mean he has a guranteed place in our squad, what I want to see is consistency from footballers and for me James Morrison doesn't offer that when you compare him to someone like Graham Dorrans.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggieboyjop on July 12, 2011, 04:09:53 PM
I think hes worth keeping just for that kind of unpredictable quality he has, because we all know what he has in his locker (see blues games/man u game)

Thats is also my opinion. Tchoyi for me is even more unpredictable and does a lot more things that stand out to me as being poor but we all still want him in our squad. Even if you hate either of them there is no denying that both played big enough roles in the season just gone, scoring some vital and cracking goals. Sorry to have brought tchoyi into this its just i dont like tchoyi in the same way a lot dont like mozza but i still feel we need both of them as we cant afford to sell players who can produce such quality imo
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie79 on August 15, 2011, 02:15:20 PM
Not sure what he has had over the last three managers at this club but how the hell does this guy constantly get Premiership football? He in my opinion is not good enough to play in the prem but still constantly gets games, performs badly and then gets more games. How many of us think he is better than Dorrans? and yet he still gets in the team ahead of him? Avergae passer, cant tackle, constantly gives the ball away, not strong enough, doesn't get enough goals and cant head the ball, need I go on!

If someone could explain this to me I would be grateful or is it just me.

Thsi is not a personal thing as I have met him on numerous occasions and he is a very nice guy but purely based on his footballing ability I dont see it.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wbarich on August 15, 2011, 02:18:09 PM
In the Mowbray Prem season he played on the right wing and was our best player all season by a mile! He hasn't played there since. He has also had some injuries in his time which may have effected him. Also yesterday he was out of position playing left wing, it doesn't work the same as Brunt on the right, Brunt was shocking yesterday. It only works when players want to play on the opposite wing like JT.
Morrison is a top player on his day and he is a very good player to have in the squad.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mike on August 15, 2011, 02:20:40 PM
I think he is a proper premiership player.  He doesn't excel in one area, but can do a little bit of everything.  If he were to leave, he would get another premiership team come in for him, which speaks volumes.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggieboyjop on August 15, 2011, 02:20:50 PM
I think he is a good player to have in the squad because when he has a good day he is very good imo however they are too rare for him to start and i couldnt for the life of me figure out why dorrans sat on the bench the whole game  ???
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kris_boing on August 15, 2011, 02:27:14 PM
I dont think hes that bad.  Frustrating at times yes but if you ask me who out of Dorrans or Morrison is the better player I'd say Dorrans every time.

Morrison was ineffective Sunday and the game was crying out for Dorrans especially when Utd lost Vidic then Ferdinand.  The change should have come then.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie79 on August 15, 2011, 02:28:55 PM
My point is this, Is he better than Brunt, JT, Dorrans, Scharner, Mulumbu or Somen. No is the answer for me and yet he starts again. Be honest how many of you would have started him instead of Dorrans? Average squad player for me at best. Also he is not versatile, the only place he can play well is RM and he hasnt played there for ages, he just gets blown away in the middle due to his lack of height and strength.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dan on August 15, 2011, 02:29:32 PM
If he's been picked by 3 separate managers then obviously he's doing something that the average football fan can't see. He's also ahead of Dorrans for Scotland, and is first choice for them. A much better player than people on here make out anyway.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mike on August 15, 2011, 02:30:40 PM
Also worth noting how hight Craig Levein rates him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie Artist on August 15, 2011, 02:33:58 PM
I agree he offers a bit of everything but doesn't really excel anywhere. I'd only play him on the right as well.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieBoyLee on August 15, 2011, 02:39:05 PM
Slowly turning into the Greening of a few seasons back. Neat and tidy but offers absolutely nothing going forward
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie79 on August 15, 2011, 02:39:22 PM
Just wondering how many people would start with him if everyone was fit?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieBoiJono on August 15, 2011, 02:40:36 PM
Open your eyes, turn on the season review. Watch the killer passes he supplies. Simple. I could get so angry how people slag him off so muich..

granted he was poor yesterday.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Lloydy on August 15, 2011, 02:40:49 PM
For me, he's not strong enough to play in front of the back four, he's not quick enough to justify dropping Thomas or Tchoyi for him, he's not as creative or tenacious as Graham Dorrans and he is an inferior footballer to Chris Brunt and Zoltan Gera. If all those players are fit I would seriously struggle to explain to them why James Morrison is playing and they are not.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 15, 2011, 02:42:47 PM
Open your eyes, turn on the season review. Watch the killer passes he supplies. Simple. I could get so angry how people slag him off so muich..

granted he was poor yesterday.

And if you watch the Season Review its even more staggering how Dorrans is not in the side given the impact he had on the games he played last season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 15, 2011, 02:45:59 PM
Just doesn't offer as much as any of the other wingers currently on our books. These killer passes he supplies, I really can't remember many of these bar Sunderland last year first game of the season. I can already remember a few from Graham Dorrans. He isn't strong enough to play in the centre and for all his tidyness in possession it just generally isn't good enough. He should rightfully lose his place to Zoltan Gera, Graham Dorrans, Somen Tchoyi or Jerome Thomas.

Yesterday was his chance to shine and he didn't take it.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 15, 2011, 02:46:30 PM
I have a soft spot for Mozza, but he shouldn't be playing over a fully fit Dorrans. And he's not a winger.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: twistedh on August 15, 2011, 03:18:04 PM
For someone who spent nearly a year on the sidelines, I feel is a pretty damn good player. Indeed one of our best before the problem with his heel. Hodgson picked him over Dorrans as he has obviously impressed more in training or has a different game plan.

As pleased as I was with our mid-table finish last season people now have vastly unattainable expectations after just one game, spouting on various forums like big time Charlies. On about players poor performances and such. Give it a couple of weeks folks :)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: DutchBaggies on August 15, 2011, 03:18:21 PM
He kind of reminds of Luis Garcia and Vladimir Smicer who played for Liverpool a few years back. They would literally contribute nothing over the course of some games, but had decent scoring records.  The latter being a lot like Mozza in the fact that he was slight in stature, didn't really stand out as the kind of player who could take the game to the opposition, but would score excellent goals.

I have got to say, I have a lot of time for Mozza.  He's honest, hardworking and most occasions, know's where the back of the net is. 

Granted, he lacks pace and physical stature, and in all honesty yesterday's game was crying for Dorrans as Mozza was basically a passenger.  However, you just know that he is somebody capable of coming up with important goals when needed.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: richjonawba on August 15, 2011, 03:58:13 PM
The guy is simply not good enough. He offers absolutely nothing going forward or defensively. I literally do not know where he was supposed to be playing yesterday.

He shouldnt be starting for us at all
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MICKYMEL on August 15, 2011, 04:03:42 PM
I would imagine Morrison is terrific in training, he would be one of those in 5 -a-side you would want on your team, some one neat and tidy keeping the ball. This is what managers see every day.
In games however, he goes missing. Doesnt seem to create much and for a regular I cant remember too many assists from him. Back up player yes, 1st team regular in front of someone like Dorrans? no.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Tipton Baggie on August 15, 2011, 04:39:29 PM
Got all the time in the world for the lad and I think hes a Premier League player all the way, had a s***er yesterday though should of got subbed. Theres worse players than him in the squad still.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on August 15, 2011, 04:41:11 PM
I rate Mozza, but I rate Dorrans higher, he should have come on yesterday with 30 minutes to go.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBA Brad WBA on August 15, 2011, 04:42:21 PM
I think he's a great player, has the best long shot in our team by a mile, good dribbler and good passer.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on August 15, 2011, 04:53:07 PM
Morrison is okay and I personally think he can be good enough for the premier league as seen in his time under Mowbray where he was our best player that season. The problem with him for me is that he is a player who is a bit lightweight and when you look at our other options you are left frustrated that he gets into the side consistently at more exciting players expenses.

3 managers now have decided to have him in their first eleven so that should tell us he brings something to the side which we dont notice and of course he is hard working in training/good attitude but I look at our midfield and when you have both Paul Scharner and Yousuff Mulumbu playing the ball winning/defensive mid role, you dont need a third midfielder to do it (the only reason I can see for Morrison getting into the side). Instead, we need a creative midfielder and although Brunt is creative, he isnt a run with the ball man.

That leads us to the player who most fans want to see - Dorrans. I cant understand why he hasnt been given more of a go at this level, especially after he was so good 2 seasons ago. In the right midfield Dorrans would be devastating and he is more direct and exciting than Morrison, who is a bit slower and less dangerous - more of a "keep the ball moving" midfielder rather than Dorrans "something might happen" style.

At the moment I think Morrison is in the midfield to stay so we have to hope when Dorrans gets his chance he forces Hodgsons hand with some man of the match performances but thats a lot of pressure on him to perform. I just hope we dont live to regret wasting Dorrans talents as we seem to be doing at the moment.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: hardtobeat on August 15, 2011, 04:56:46 PM
Just doesn't offer as much as any of the other wingers currently on our books. These killer passes he supplies, I really can't remember many of these bar Sunderland last year first game of the season. I can already remember a few from Graham Dorrans. He isn't strong enough to play in the centre and for all his tidyness in possession it just generally isn't good enough. He should rightfully lose his place to Zoltan Gera, Graham Dorrans, Somen Tchoyi or Jerome Thomas.

Yesterday was his chance to shine and he didn't take it.
albeit playing totally out of position,he prefers the middle to the wide and if we are going to persist with him out wide then it should at least be on the right hand side.interestingly 1st 10/15mins apart he and Shorey were much better against Nani(whos just as good imo as Young)than Reid and Brunt were on the the other side against Young
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MattIsABaggie on August 15, 2011, 05:12:44 PM
He's consistent, he made some really good tackles yesterday.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 15, 2011, 05:17:48 PM
albeit playing totally out of position,he prefers the middle to the wide and if we are going to persist with him out wide then it should at least be on the right hand side.interestingly 1st 10/15mins apart he and Shorey were much better against Nani(whos just as good imo as Young)than Reid and Brunt were on the the other side against Young

You're right, he was out of position but there were occasions where he and Chris Brunt swapped wings in the first half and he still looked rather ineffective. I think Baggies has got it all spot on in his post. However, it wasn't just yesterday where Morrison was ineffective, there were games last season where his contribution to the side was questioned. I know it's a new season and it's time for a new start but what I saw was more of the same.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 15, 2011, 05:30:55 PM
Decent substitute but we have much better options now in my opinion.  Won't get much of a look in once Gera is fit
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Wbamitch on August 15, 2011, 06:01:15 PM
He's not as bad as people make out, the simple fact is we have better options. I am a fan of Morrison, when he plays to his capability he is very good and influential on the game. Unfortunately though i think he has let himself down in the majority of performances last season, I think when he performs to his capable standard he is definately a premier league player, although he just ins't showing the consistency that we saw in the Mowbray Prem season.

I wasn't totally against Morrison starting saturday, i was just dissapointed that Hodgson didn't change him for Dorrans at any point during the game. Recent Morrison performances have made us fans doubt his ability, i do believe he can be useful as a squad player and to see him start or feature in some games isn't a problem and he will find his form at some point surely.

Although for now its time to change it up, give Dorrans a game, we all know when he is on his game he is a very good player, worth giving him a chance next week and Morrison maybe on the bench.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: DaveWBA on August 15, 2011, 06:09:34 PM
Occasionally he'll do something brilliant like the goal against United last season but for 80% of the time he is lightweight and ineffective. Having said that I thought he had one of his more combative games yesterday.

When Dorrans is fit he should be playing, he rarely had a run in the side last season through one reason or another yet when he was fit he made things happen, just think second half performance against Blues, West Ham at home in the first half before we replaced him with Giles Barnes and Stoke away where he ran the game.

We need to see more of Dorrans this season so he has chance to fulfill his huge potential. Morrison is more than good enough as cover and warrants a place on the bench.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on August 15, 2011, 06:25:59 PM
The simple matter of fact is that he doesn't do enough. Last season he made a few killer passes and scored some goals, but most of the time you could barely tell he was playing - something an attacking player can't get away with. I got really angry with RDM persisting to use him last season despite him being ineffective week in week out and I'll start getting really annoyed with RH if he keeps starting him (unless he starts performing well which I can't see). Dorrans should easily be ahead of him, Saturday's game was crying out for some creativity in the middle. When Dorrans is playing you know he's playing, he takes players on; he bosses the midfield; he drags defenders around the pitch; spreads the ball about; not afraid to put a firm tackle in; runs forward with the ball; has good pace; has shots on goal and is also an excellent set-piece taker. Dorrans is a player who gets you out your seat.. I'm very worried that he seems to be a fringe player, and also with us not playing an 'attacking midfielder' I'm wondering how he'll fit in.

The one thing I'll say in Morrison's defence is that he hasn't been played in his best position, right midfield, for a while. A lot of people say (including Morrison himself) that attacking mid is his best position, well considering that when he played right mid for us in the Premiership he was arguably our best player compared to when he played central attacking mid last season where he was one of our most disappointing players, it has to be assumed that right mid is in fact his best position. Even so, even in that position he'd be third choice for me behind Gera and Brunt (Brunt on the right if Thomas plays ahead of Gera). Don't understand at all why RH played Morrison on the left and Brunt on the right on Saturday.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: CL3MO on August 15, 2011, 07:12:17 PM
Good post. Glad somebody brought this up as Dorrans IMO is a far better player and has more dangerous qualities in terms of harming the opposition.

I would drop him for Chelsea.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Clarkus on August 15, 2011, 07:27:10 PM
morrison isnt for me, his been with us awhile now and never truly convinced me his got what it takes, way too lightweight as yesterday proved when he ran in the box and got blew over, scoring the odd wonder goal doesnt cancel out the many games he go's missing in, dorrans & gera are better options as at least dorrans can take set pieces aswell as brunt has off days
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggieboyjop on August 15, 2011, 07:44:53 PM

The one thing I'll say in Morrison's defence is that he hasn't been played in his best position, right midfield, for a while. A lot of people say (including Morrison himself) that attacking mid is his best position, well considering that when he played right mid for us in the Premiership he was arguably our best player compared to when he played central attacking mid last season where he was one of our most disappointing players, it has to be assumed that right mid is in fact his best position. Even so, even in that position he'd be third choice for me behind Gera and Brunt (Brunt on the right if Thomas plays ahead of Gera). Don't understand at all why RH played Morrison on the left and Brunt on the right on Saturday.

I dont see it as necessarily being the fact that his best position is right mid i think its just in that mowbray season he was one of our most talented players but now he is still the same player its just we have a lot of better options which for me should force him out of the side unfortunately for him
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 15, 2011, 07:58:45 PM
Morrison is one of Albions most frustrating players, goes missing for long spells in many matches, capable of scoring great goals and the killer pass but it happens all too infrequently, one of the few players who it wouldnt bother me if another team came in for him, and like a few here perplexed how he is preferred to Dorrans.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wbaslw on August 15, 2011, 08:00:13 PM
I think James Morrison is a good player, his main weakness is strength, gets pushed off the ball too easily. He is very good in training, that is why i believe so many managers stick with him, he has quality....
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: joeymayo on August 15, 2011, 08:31:11 PM
How funny when Roberto was replaced I didn't see the following names in any of the bookies price lists on his replacement. wbaslw, Baggies4life, clarkus, cl3mo, kicking pigeons, et al. JP has missed a trick here when numerous managers and international managers seem to think Mozza is a good player, contributes much, was by all accounts not that bad against Man U, has taken the place of an unproven Premiership player who had a good 12 months in the Championship. It takes may forms to play the game and Mozza is part of that puzzle. He does a shift and does the dirty play effectively. He helps break up play and has good all-round distribution, plays players in, sees an early pass and is generally a good egg. Do us all a favour and stop rounding on ANY players it is a team game and their is no 'i' in TEAM. If anyone should be questioned on the first game of the season it probably should be the manager in picking a clearly unfit Reid, and also Scharner who in my opinion had a poor game. Also I cannot be the only person to notice that although Long scored on his debut his first touch is reminiscent of Earnshaw and will have to improve if he is to get any game time. This is the Premiership and poor standards will be shown up.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on August 15, 2011, 08:36:47 PM
It doesn't matter what I think Roy rates him and he's a better judge than me. CL said Mozza was our best performer during pre season I didn't see any games so can't comment. I like Mozza in truth I wouldn't start him but as I said I don't work with the guy day in and day out. I too would have liked to see Dorrans yesterday but certainly not on the wing.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Clarkus on August 15, 2011, 09:00:57 PM
How funny when Roberto was replaced I didn't see the following names in any of the bookies price lists on his replacement. wbaslw, Baggies4life, clarkus, cl3mo, kicking pigeons, et al. JP has missed a trick here when numerous managers and international managers seem to think Mozza is a good player, contributes much, was by all accounts not that bad against Man U, has taken the place of an unproven Premiership player who had a good 12 months in the Championship. It takes may forms to play the game and Mozza is part of that puzzle. He does a shift and does the dirty play effectively. He helps break up play and has good all-round distribution, plays players in, sees an early pass and is generally a good egg. Do us all a favour and stop rounding on ANY players it is a team game and their is no 'i' in TEAM. If anyone should be questioned on the first game of the season it probably should be the manager in picking a clearly unfit Reid, and also Scharner who in my opinion had a poor game. Also I cannot be the only person to notice that although Long scored on his debut his first touch is reminiscent of Earnshaw and will have to improve if he is to get any game time. This is the Premiership and poor standards will be shown up.

since when was it about replacing di mateo? subject was about morrison and opinions on him as a footballer not one of us mention him as a human being so keep it in perspective and how is it rounding on him or any of the players? i thought the whole point of a forum was to allow expression and opionion. I dont rate him to be in the first team ahead of what we got and thats my opinion and not me trying to tell roy what to do as if i know better, so dont try and vindicate us as if it was a carson type witchhunt.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 15, 2011, 09:03:54 PM
How funny when Roberto was replaced I didn't see the following names in any of the bookies price lists on his replacement. wbaslw, Baggies4life, clarkus, cl3mo, kicking pigeons, et al. JP has missed a trick here when numerous managers and international managers seem to think Mozza is a good player, contributes much, was by all accounts not that bad against Man U, has taken the place of an unproven Premiership player who had a good 12 months in the Championship. It takes may forms to play the game and Mozza is part of that puzzle. He does a shift and does the dirty play effectively. He helps break up play and has good all-round distribution, plays players in, sees an early pass and is generally a good egg. Do us all a favour and stop rounding on ANY players it is a team game and their is no 'i' in TEAM. If anyone should be questioned on the first game of the season it probably should be the manager in picking a clearly unfit Reid, and also Scharner who in my opinion had a poor game. Also I cannot be the only person to notice that although Long scored on his debut his first touch is reminiscent of Earnshaw and will have to improve if he is to get any game time. This is the Premiership and poor standards will be shown up.

If everyone agreed life would be boring. People used to discuss things in the pub, these days its online more so. Its not 'rounding' on players etc its giving your view, your opinion and thats what forums like this are for.

I agree with some of what you say but not everyone will and they have a right to say so whether we like it or not.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 15, 2011, 11:18:25 PM
200 plus PL games, decent scoring record, first choice for his country.

One decent season in the second tier, on the periphery of the same national side.

Not hard to see why Morrison is picked at all imo.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggiee_Boyy_Benn on August 16, 2011, 03:03:47 AM
Open your eyes, turn on the season review. Watch the killer passes he supplies. Simple. I could get so angry how people slag him off so muich..

granted he was poor yesterday.
Would you rather have one killer pass every three games or so? Or JT attacking pressure or dozza's all round play. He does offer a bit but i dont rate him higher then JT dozza, brunty or somen.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 16, 2011, 08:07:36 AM
Dont rate him but never get on his back.too lightweight for me.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: pointergeorge on August 16, 2011, 10:21:17 AM
I agree with JoeyMayo.  Some people don't realise 95% of football is of the ball.  That's why Koumas drove Bryan Robson wild.  Morrison covers more ground than most and is totally reliable.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: timdon on August 16, 2011, 10:29:34 AM
Good player but not as good as Dorrans imo. Dorrans is more creative, stronger, more dangerous around goal, is very good at set pieces, scores more, works just as hard, and can take a good penalty. How many reasons do you want?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: 63Brummie on August 16, 2011, 11:38:23 AM
I think he is a proper premiership player.  He doesn't excel in one area, but can do a little bit of everything.  If he were to leave, he would get another premiership team come in for him, which speaks volumes.
I agree with your assessment Mike, IMHO there is far too much call for "that dynamic player"...just for the sake of it.
This being said I think that James isn't the catalyst that Graham Dorrans is..but choice depends on SHAPE..as we all know.
Roy chooses the players to fit the shape and mode of play he wants and doesn't seem to fancy Graham at all.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jack Russell on August 16, 2011, 12:28:23 PM
Overrated in my humble.He has not had a good game for a year.Since he scored at Blues he has done nothing to suggest he should be in the team.Not his biggest fan
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dorrans17Long9 on August 16, 2011, 12:32:51 PM
How on earth any player could keep Graham Dorrans out of our team is beyond me, let alone Jimmy Morrison
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WSBaggie on August 16, 2011, 01:47:31 PM
I wonder if Mozza would be taking all this stick if Dorrans wasn't on the bench? Fact is Morrison fits better into Roy's plans it would seem.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: 63Brummie on August 16, 2011, 02:09:13 PM
How on earth any player could keep Graham Dorrans out of our team is beyond me, let alone Jimmy Morrison
I don't think that Roy rates/ likes Super Graham...
sad yet simples ???
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mulumbu99 on August 16, 2011, 02:10:41 PM
read roy's interviews from last season, he rates dorrans highly.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: KingKoren on August 16, 2011, 02:14:25 PM
read roy's interviews from last season, he rates dorrans highly.

Exactly.

Morrison is a very good player and so is Dorrans. They are completely different types of players so I don't see why people are so determined to draw a comparison.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: joeymayo on August 16, 2011, 06:39:29 PM
since when was it about replacing di mateo? subject was about morrison and opinions on him as a footballer not one of us mention him as a human being so keep it in perspective and how is it rounding on him or any of the players? i thought the whole point of a forum was to allow expression and opionion. I dont rate him to be in the first team ahead of what we got and thats my opinion and not me trying to tell roy what to do as if i know better, so dont try and vindicate us as if it was a carson type witchhunt.


The post was not about di-matteo it was made because their are so many people against Morrison it is untrue. There are better qualified people employed by the club to make these decisions and us as supporters should back those people. It says something that the last three eminently qualified managers seem fit to pick him above other players.

Accept it and stop these witchhunts because that's what they are. This is not the first topic regarding James Morrison and probably won't be the last but imagine him reading these things and you get a one-way slant.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Clarkus on August 16, 2011, 07:08:30 PM

The post was not about di-matteo it was made because their are so many people against Morrison it is untrue. There are better qualified people employed by the club to make these decisions and us as supporters should back those people. It says something that the last three eminently qualified managers seem fit to pick him above other players.

Accept it and stop these witchhunts because that's what they are. This is not the first topic regarding James Morrison and probably won't be the last but imagine him reading these things and you get a one-way slant.

well firstly its not a witchhunt as im new to this website so i wouldnt of known of other posts regarding mozza, and me saying i would rather have dorrans ahead of him is hardly starting a so-called witchhunt and just to verify i back all players that put on our beloved shirt so your quote is out of context.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rolfestreet on August 16, 2011, 07:24:24 PM
I feel Morrison is great on his day but for me these are few and far between, he also bottles out of tackles.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Albion UK on August 16, 2011, 09:11:10 PM
Morrison should be used as back up to the RM position, that is all. Hes not a CM or LM. I cant see him getting much game time once gera and thomas are fit again.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: off_foo_182 on August 17, 2011, 08:14:24 AM
Morrison is a good solid squad player. Simple as. Should not be in the first eleven.

Unless he has a specific tactical task that we would not notice
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: koren on August 17, 2011, 02:47:13 PM
I think Dorrans has more creative,he can provide more chances for the teammates.Therefore,I was confuse that why Hodgson didn't replace Morrsion with Dorrans when we losing 1 - 2 .
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 28, 2011, 06:00:35 PM
Enoughs enough now surely?

He offers nothing but huff and puff on a weey basis. Time for Dorrans to become a permanent fixture in the team once and for all.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 28, 2011, 06:02:32 PM
I thought he was poor today but in his defence I can't understand why he was put out on the left when Brunt was on the pitch. The midfield system needs looking at as its not working and the two wide players are becoming passengers.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Aztech on August 28, 2011, 06:05:43 PM
I thought he was poor today but in his defence I can't understand why he was put out on the left when Brunt was on the pitch. The midfield system needs looking at as its not working and the two wide players are becoming passengers.

Agreed.

We lack creativity in the midfield when Brunt is central.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Clarkus on August 28, 2011, 06:06:00 PM
doesnt help when him, brunt, jt keep swapping flanks, i think mozza was way too lightweight today and thats not the first time. he'll do a decent run then a gust of wind will blow him over
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mike on August 28, 2011, 06:18:05 PM
I've seen so many people contradict themselves.  Many have criticized the continuous long balls, and at the same time slaughtered our only player who has looked to pass it short and keep it on the ground.   
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Lloydy on August 28, 2011, 06:37:44 PM
I've seen so many people contradict themselves.  Many have criticized the continuous long balls, and at the same time slaughtered our only player who has looked to pass it short and keep it on the ground.

Morrison does play it on the ground but it's never positive enough, we need the drive of Dorrans or the pace of Thomas, not two steady eddy's like Morrison and Brunt.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 28, 2011, 08:00:29 PM
Can anybody tell me what hes meant to give to the team? Dorrans and Thomas are both superior midfielders, and the time has come to give them a go against Norwich. To be fair, Brunt was poor as well today.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Wbamitch on August 28, 2011, 08:26:10 PM
I don't think Morrison was that bad today and i wouldn't rush about dropping him from the next game.
Brunt was the worst player out there today.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggieheart on August 28, 2011, 08:30:14 PM
Can anybody tell me what hes meant to give to the team? Dorrans and Thomas are both superior midfielders, and the time has come to give them a go against Norwich. To be fair, Brunt was poor as well today.

Midfield shape. Morrison works very hard to ensure he is doing what is asked of him. Protect Shorey, support when you can.

peoples gripe with Morrison should be aimed at Roy not Jimmy. He is only doing what he is instructed to do.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: up_the_baggies on August 28, 2011, 08:31:00 PM
Morrison was awful today, total passenger.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on August 28, 2011, 08:34:09 PM
I don't think Morrison was that bad today and i wouldn't rush about dropping him from the next game.
Brunt was the worst player out there today.
Brunt wasn't that good but at least he tried some adventurous passes and got the ball into the box on a few occasions. I really can't remember Morrison doing anything of note, which is the same as most weeks. Also Brunt had an very good season last season whereas Morrison had a mediocre one which was masked over by a couple of good goals and the a couple of good assists. If he's not dropped next game then there's something seriously wrong.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on August 28, 2011, 08:40:00 PM
Brunt was worse than Morrison today with Morrison working very hard but when Brunt went off and he was asked to add more in attack he faltered. He went forward  a few times and every time he was dispossessed with ease. This is where the limitations come into his game, if you require him to be your main creative threat he struggles.

In a five man midfield, he keeps things ticking over very well while adding work rate and he does have some creativity as well as goals but in a midfield that lacks a creative threat he becomes a passenger.

at the moment, the question is over who to drop out of Brunt and Morrison to give us more threat from midfield. Neither have been great, but if I was Michael Appleton id remind Hodgson that Brunt, despite being a passenger for 89 minutes, can consistently make a goal happen. Can Morrison do it? I'm not convinced.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Wbamitch on August 28, 2011, 08:43:39 PM
I know Morrison does not really deliver the quality of balls Brunt can sometimes pop up with but i feel in general today at least he helps keep possession a lot more, i appreciate that Brunt is a very useful player and has a fantastic left foot, although he was very sloppy today and for me personally out of the two was the poorer player.

I do agree with you in the fact that Dorrans should be in the team, i am presuming you want him to replace Mozza?

Although i don't think it is a must we drop Morrison, although to allow Dorrans to make his biggest impact it  his position in competition so i can see your point.

Scharner is also a consideration for me to be replaced by Dorrans, not on a permanent basis but maybe against the lesser teams of the division we could try it out making a more positive approach.

Hopefully the international break is kind to us and we have a full squad to choose from for the next game.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on August 28, 2011, 08:53:52 PM
I'd rather a player lose the ball a few times due to trying an adventurous ball or by trying to take someone on rather than just passing 5 yards sideways so that possession isn't lost.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: SmethwickCaz on August 28, 2011, 09:00:18 PM
Morrison was infinately better than "Captain fantastic" today.........Unfortunately, he does not possess a "wand" of a left foot
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: richjonawba on August 28, 2011, 09:04:30 PM
Morrison had the best game ive seen him have for ages today and he was still cr*p, i think that says it all to be honest.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Wbamitch on August 28, 2011, 09:07:21 PM
I understand what you mean KickingPigeons although today i think Brunt wasted possession with those short passes and at times put us in very dangerous positions with that and his sloppiness on the ball. I love a player with creativity and who can pop up with something special Although he put us in trouble a few times today and better teams maybe would have taken advantage with better attacking play. 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 28, 2011, 10:18:57 PM
Midfield shape. Morrison works very hard to ensure he is doing what is asked of him. Protect Shorey, support when you can.

No point holding a shape if you are just a body rather than a contributor. Brunt had a poor game today, but he still had a couple of good passes / crosses, and is capable of doing something special at any given moment.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rolfestreet on August 28, 2011, 10:34:11 PM
As soon as dorrans is deemed fit enough to start morrison has to be dropped he just is'nt strong enough and offers nothing to the team as far as i'm concerned.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: AlbionBest on August 28, 2011, 10:38:08 PM
Morrison today was a typical 'past Mowbray's Albion Vs  Stoke' player - he was good on the ball but caused them no threat and when he did get near the box to cause problems, the ball was just taken off him as they overpowered him easily (once in the second half he was about to frive into the box and just got outmuscled so easily).
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: CL3MO on August 29, 2011, 01:03:32 AM
Morrison was probably the worst player on the pitch. Anybody notice how he bottled a couple of 50/50 challenges? I'm not trying to get on his back but it grinds me to see a far better player on our bench in Dorrans.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 29, 2011, 01:21:37 AM
yes he is not good enough!
but today i cant fault the bloke for putting a shift in!
Thomas game on and totally bottled it! didnt want the ball wouldnt run at his man!
James Morrison is not good enough and we have better but he doesnt hide in games!

I think we as Albion fans are getting greedy we want to see 2 upfront and 2 flair wingers in our team! this is all well and good but in doing this in 3 games we have 0 points!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 29, 2011, 11:14:25 AM
Morrison is a nice enough chap and i would never boo him like any other player but he just aint good enough at this level.Roy obviously has his favs
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kie the baggie on August 29, 2011, 11:46:03 AM
Tbh it didnt look like we had a midfield, everytime there defender cleared a ball or headed it out there was always a stoke player for the second ball, i dont think we performed badly think it was a typical stoke match, but we cant keep blaming morrison, yes perhaps dorrans should be starting ahead of him, but roy says he is not 100%, if you play players that arent 100% you will get turned over, after this international break we may well see dorrans starting over morrison, but if he isnt dont start slating him get behind him. its not going to help his performances if he is to scared to put a foot wrong as we all get on his back. who ever has them famous stripes on there backs should get full support, next game lets sing every players name in the team and watch them want to kick ar*e and we will win!!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: alex1 on August 29, 2011, 01:59:45 PM
Morrison is often referred to as a "neat and tidy" player and he also does his share of chasing back and covering. I also a read a statistic that he completed the most passes in the Chelsea game. What bothers me is that alot of his passes are sideways passes with absolutely no threat. All that does is keep possession which, granted, prevents the opposition from scoring. But if you want to win games, you need players able to make telling through passes that set up real goal chances. Especially from players in the zone behind the striker(s). I don't particularly blame Morrison for not doing that  yesterday against Stoke, because he was playing as a wide man, so he had another task, which I assume was getting past his full back.  His better position is probably behind the striker(s) but in my view there are 2 far better candidates for that position, Dorrans and Gera. Taking Dorrans, he has a vigorous style, and is able to pick out forwards with good sharp through balls.

There is a difference between good intelligent through passes and long hopeful balls forward. We had to play alot of the latter against Stoke as there was nobody playing in the hole behind the strikers, and unsurprisingly, the tall well organised Stoke defence were able to deal with them, especially as they easily outnumbered the attackers. You get at a team like Stoke by playing sharp probing through passes, as  they are not the quickest at turning and by using pace around the wings. Which makes the omission of JT puzzling. Admittedly  Tchoyi can and was a handful but he was outnumbered most of the time, and his slower style  allows defenders to get back.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 29, 2011, 06:23:58 PM
i would rather play morrison then a half fit jerome thomas and a out of form graham dorrans!
i know you play your way to from but i dont think morrison was that bad yesterday nor in the other two games!

and i mentioned this before he doesnt hide unlike both dorrans and thomas do at times
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: richjonawba on August 29, 2011, 06:27:15 PM
i would rather play morrison then a half fit jerome thomas and a out of form graham dorrans!
i know you play your way to from but i dont think morrison was that bad yesterday nor in the other two games!

and i mentioned this before he doesnt hide unlike both dorrans and thomas do at times

out of form graham dorrans?! hes played one game this season against bournemouth and was our best player.

Morrison doesnt hide, but he also doesnt do ANYTHING
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on August 29, 2011, 08:19:11 PM
Morrison keeps the ball moving and works hard defensivly but when you have another 2 players there doing exactly the same thing and your role is actually to be the creative one then it doesnt seem to work. IN a five man midfield I can see more value in having Morrison in the starting eleven but im not as keen when our midfield ends up being an flat and uninventive as it was on Sunday.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: 63Brummie on August 30, 2011, 09:50:16 AM
Scot Carson is dead...Long live James Morrison??? :o
Get off the guys back
Get behind Roy
and ....GET BEHIND THE TEAM 8)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 30, 2011, 12:47:30 PM
out of form graham dorrans?! hes played one game this season against bournemouth and was our best player.

Morrison doesnt hide, but he also doesnt do ANYTHING

differng in opinion i went to bournemouth and i thought he was woeful! others have agreed with me! some have not! in his 10minutes sunday you would of thoughtt it was morrison with all his 5 yard passes
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: richjonawba on August 30, 2011, 01:20:29 PM
differng in opinion i went to bournemouth and i thought he was woeful! others have agreed with me! some have not! in his 10minutes sunday you would of thoughtt it was morrison with all his 5 yard passes

Id like to see any player, even Cesc for example, come on for 10minutes against stoke when we were playing so poorly and change the game.

Dorrans should have started, if not atleast been given 20minutes, it is an insult to the guy that Morrison is ahead of him in my opinion.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: yetik55 on August 30, 2011, 01:27:37 PM
To me Morrison is the weaker member of our current first team squad.
While others have grown and matured into looking like prem footballers he still looks like a decent championship player.
I cant see him getting much pitch time once Gera and Dozza are both 100% and i suppose compared to tossers like Barnes and Miller he does have his uses on the bench as he can play in a few positions.
My biggest frustration on Sunday was with Hodgson though surely he could see that Morrison constantly kept leaving the wing and forcing Scharner at one point to have to play right wing. Its up to the mangement team to tell him to hold he posistion he was wondering round like a headless chicken most the game.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 30, 2011, 01:29:24 PM
differng in opinion i went to bournemouth and i thought he was woeful! others have agreed with me! some have not! in his 10minutes sunday you would of thoughtt it was morrison with all his 5 yard passes


I was at Bournemouth and he was by far our best player ask Bomber and his media friends too.God knows what game you were watching
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 30, 2011, 02:46:10 PM

I was at Bournemouth and he was by far our best player ask Bomber and his media friends too.God knows what game you were watching

as i said differing in opinion! just because you have a place in the media does not mean your opinion is any better or any more correct then those who are not.

but yet again i didnt think mulumbu was very good sunday some people thought he was his usual self just like i think shorey had a good game others disagree!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: CL3MO on August 30, 2011, 02:51:08 PM
Scot Carson is dead...Long live James Morrison??? :o
Get off the guys back
Get behind Roy
and ....GET BEHIND THE TEAM 8)

What is it with some people that whenever there is a constructive criticism of a player that suddenly they think that he is the new boo boy!? This forum is for discussing current issues of the team and what fans would like to see. Matchday itself is for 'getting behind the team'.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2011, 03:04:48 PM
yes he is not good enough!
but today i cant fault the bloke for putting a shift in!
Thomas game on and totally bottled it! didnt want the ball wouldnt run at his man!
James Morrison is not good enough and we have better but he doesnt hide in games!

I think we as Albion fans are getting greedy we want to see 2 upfront and 2 flair wingers in our team! this is all well and good but in doing this in 3 games we have 0 points!

How can you say Thomas bottled it? He was rarely given the ball in fairness, and when he did receive it, Andy Wilkinson I think it was made two or three cracking challenges.

Also, your last point, we have saw no flair wingers in our side. We've had Brunt and Morrison who have tucked in and not offered much in the way of creativity. Our goal against Man United was a goalkeeping mistake which let us off the hook, and our goal at Chelsea was superbly taken but could of been avoided from a Chelsea point of view. We've very rarely created much and ended up with 0 points.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: 63Brummie on August 30, 2011, 03:20:38 PM
What is it with some people that whenever there is a constructive criticism of a player that suddenly they think that he is the new boo boy!? This forum is for discussing current issues of the team and what fans would like to see. Matchday itself is for 'getting behind the team'.
We should ALWAYS be behind the team.
As for this so called "Morrison thread" the tone is becoming quite sour IMO. >:(
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on August 30, 2011, 03:45:51 PM
We should ALWAYS be behind the team.
As for this so called "Morrison thread" the tone is becoming quite sour IMO. >:(
Sour in what way? Because we aren't all sitting here saying that Morrison is great? We are behind the team, doesn't mean we can't have opinions on certain players. What would be the point of this forum if all people said was 'he's great'.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on August 30, 2011, 03:48:39 PM
^^Exactly^^

The general feeling I believe, is that he's a good player - but we have better options.

The way I see it, is that when Thomas is fully fit (hopefully Norwich), he will be a starter. Thomas is better than Morrison. He is more creative and gives us a better attacking option. Then there is Dorrans, who isn't 100% fit I believe, who may also be put above Morrison. Then there is Gera, who may replace him too.

Basically, without those 3 injuries Morrison would be on the bench right now. I'd be upset if he continued to start when all 3 became fully fit.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: 63Brummie on August 30, 2011, 04:06:15 PM
Sour in what way? Because we aren't all sitting here saying that Morrison is great? We are behind the team, doesn't mean we can't have opinions on certain players. What would be the point of this forum if all people said was 'he's great'.
In truth Roy is building a TEAM where individuals are components in the machine...if you regard James Morrison as being a part in the machine it may help you understand.
I'm not saying you're all Booo boys but we need to "nip it in the Bud" before we have a Carson scenario on our hands.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MarkW on August 30, 2011, 04:07:05 PM
Against Stoke, Morrison attempted 40 passes. Of those 40, he completed 30, which makes him look pretty good. Except that of those 40 passes, only 3 were into the box, and all three were incomplete.

Compare that to someone like Brunt, who attempted 47 passes, of which he completed 31. Thing is, he passed into the area 6 times, double that of Morrison, and 3 of them were successful.

Dorrans hasn't played enough to make the comparison, and Mulumbu and Scharner are both defensive minded, so not really comparable.

Basically, Morrison is a tidy box-to-box midfielder. He completed the majority of his passes, and will keep things ticking over. However, he isn't going to skin a player, or play a killer pass as often as other players might. I woud argue if I could compare 90 minutes for Dorrans vs Morrison you would see a lot more forward passes from Dorrans, with more largely lateral passes by Morrison.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: jjb0rdell0 on August 30, 2011, 04:38:02 PM
Against Stoke, Morrison attempted 40 passes. Of those 40, he completed 30, which makes him look pretty good. Except that of those 40 passes, only 3 were into the box, and all three were incomplete.

Compare that to someone like Brunt, who attempted 47 passes, of which he completed 31. Thing is, he passed into the area 6 times, double that of Morrison, and 3 of them were successful.

Dorrans hasn't played enough to make the comparison, and Mulumbu and Scharner are both defensive minded, so not really comparable.

Basically, Morrison is a tidy box-to-box midfielder. He completed the majority of his passes, and will keep things ticking over. However, he isn't going to skin a player, or play a killer pass as often as other players might. I woud argue if I could compare 90 minutes for Dorrans vs Morrison you would see a lot more forward passes from Dorrans, with more largely lateral passes by Morrison.

How many of those passes from Mozza were passes that were trying to make their way over to brunt? (Out of curiosity)

I suspect that Dorrans isn't yet fit enough for Roy's liking...id think in the near future he will be a starting player...

I don't dislike mozza, he works hard and does a steady job. Need to see Dorrans play more in the first team under Roy before deciding who I think fits into the side better
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 30, 2011, 04:53:44 PM
How many of those passes from Mozza were passes that were trying to make their way over to brunt? (Out of curiosity)


Morrison is very much involved in flowing moves he keeps the ball and provides tempo and is good at providing the killer ball! sunderland at home last season the goal for example
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MarkW on August 30, 2011, 05:10:23 PM
How many of those passes from Mozza were passes that were trying to make their way over to brunt? (Out of curiosity)


Just from having a quick scan, Morrison passed to Brunt twice. He seemed to pass to Mulumbu most, out of anyone.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on August 30, 2011, 05:10:54 PM
In truth Roy is building a TEAM where individuals are components in the machine...if you regard James Morrison as being a part in the machine it may help you understand.
I'm not saying you're all Booo boys but we need to "nip it in the Bud" before we have a Carson scenario on our hands.

Well, in the interests of debate, would you like to give your reasons why you feel posters not too sure of Morrisons place in the first eleven are wrong? Or do you feel actually they are right but they shouldnt say it (in which case, the forum does start to suffer as opinions generally are the way football forums work).
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on August 30, 2011, 05:12:27 PM
Against Stoke, Morrison attempted 40 passes. Of those 40, he completed 30, which makes him look pretty good. Except that of those 40 passes, only 3 were into the box, and all three were incomplete.

Compare that to someone like Brunt, who attempted 47 passes, of which he completed 31. Thing is, he passed into the area 6 times, double that of Morrison, and 3 of them were successful.

Dorrans hasn't played enough to make the comparison, and Mulumbu and Scharner are both defensive minded, so not really comparable.

Basically, Morrison is a tidy box-to-box midfielder. He completed the majority of his passes, and will keep things ticking over. However, he isn't going to skin a player, or play a killer pass as often as other players might. I woud argue if I could compare 90 minutes for Dorrans vs Morrison you would see a lot more forward passes from Dorrans, with more largely lateral passes by Morrison.

Interesting analyses Mark, it does back up what a few have said about the balance of our midfield being all wrong. Morrison is very good in possession of the ball but if he isnt creating that leaves a big burden on Chris Brunt and makes it very easy for the opposition to defend.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2011, 05:20:17 PM
Morrison is very much involved in flowing moves he keeps the ball and provides tempo and is good at providing the killer ball! sunderland at home last season the goal for example

It's about time you chucked forward another example of this 'killer ball'. That one's becoming rather repetitive. You can't keep living of one piece of magic
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Nocky on August 30, 2011, 05:26:09 PM
Morrison was his usual self yesterday tbh, neat and tidy but pretty ineffective. I can't remember one instance in the entire game when he tried to beat the full back on the outside. He was forever cutting inside and passing sideways to either Mulumbu and Scharner and generally offered very little in terms of creativity.

I personally feel that he is a Premier League standard player but at the same time I believe we have better options. I would expect Thomas to come back into the team once fully fit as he gives us a great outlet on the left and is our best wide player in terms of being able to beat a man.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on August 30, 2011, 05:26:54 PM
Morrison is very much involved in flowing moves he keeps the ball and provides tempo and is good at providing the killer ball! sunderland at home last season the goal for example

Morrison does keep the ball flowing and does give help keep up a certain tempo. I think it is the reason Mowbray liked him so much and a reason why Di Matteo fast tracked him back into the side after returning from injury despite it stifling Dorrans affect on the game.

This though does become a problem when you have a midfield set up as ours is. In the middle we have Scharner who is there primarily to protect the defence and makes a lot of tackles, which he did very well on Sunday. Next to him you have the slightly more creative Mulumbu who can spot a long pass and can go past the odd player but who usually is still there to get in the faces of opposition midfielder's and break up play. We then have Chris Brunt on the right wing, our only forward looking midfielder. Now Brunt is very similar to a David Beckham type player. Brunt does not dribble with the ball and isnt fast enough to join the forward line on attacks. His role is to collect the ball and either put the ball in the box, or in recent seasons, to spot a through ball.

If your an opposition defender, and you only have 1 player in midfield who is going to look to go forwards, dont you think it becomes quite easy and predictable to tell what is going to happen? In our first three games, we haven't given the opposition enough to think about with our team selections. You have to have at least 2 players in your midfield who are going to offer something going forward else we will just be a predictable team. Thomas seems most obvious, running past people on the left wing but Dorrans is also another option as he can go past players, spot passes and also join the forward line on occasions in attack due to him being faster than both Brunt and Morrison.

With Hodgson's want for a midfield that is very organised, it only makes the problem worse as Morrison and Brunt end up sitting back. With a midfield protecting the back four we currently have a midfield who over the course of the season will become very difficult to watch and who will create very little for the strikers. Our creativity on sunday mainly came in the first half when tchoyi was on his game causing them problems. Once he faded, we faded. Hodgson seriously needs to look at our tactics and our midfield over this fortnight else we will be in trouble, and Morrison is the most obvious casualty due to Brunt offering more going forward.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggieboyjop on August 30, 2011, 06:14:40 PM

I personally feel that he is a Premier League standard player but at the same time I believe we have better options. I would expect Thomas to come back into the team once fully fit as he gives us a great outlet on the left and is our best wide player in terms of being able to beat a man.

Exactly. He is premier league quality but his abilities are overshadowed by the superior abilities of other midfielders we have in the squad. Morrison would make a good squad player for us but that should be it imo
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: lordbaggie on August 30, 2011, 06:25:10 PM
I think a lot of people are missing a very obvious point here.

Everybody is debating the merits and demerits of Morrison which is fair enough, but I have to ask this question.

Other than playing Morrison on the left, what options has Roy had?

Odemwingie has been injured. Thomas too. Likewise Gera.

Dorrans is a great player but he's just come off a long period of injury absence and is short of match fitness. Seeing him on Sunday that became very apparent. No one else has mentioned this but to me he seemed to have added a few pounds - is he the sort of player who needs to be playing regularly to avoid this?

So with Pete out, Tchoyi plays up top with Long (no-one is suggesting Fortune or Bednar or Cox in place of Tchoyi and I'd agree with that.)

So Tchoyi isn't going to play left wing (or right wing), Dozza is confined to the bench. And the other options are either out injured or only up to a brief cameo from the bench.

So what wide options does Roy have at the moment other than Brunt and Jimmy - apart from the more defensive options of Cech or Jara?

IMHO when everybody's fit the pecking order for attacking midfield slots (wide or in the hole) is:

1. Brunt
2. Dozza
3. Gera
4. and 5. Thomas or Tchoyi (though I prefer him up front)
6. Jimmy

I suspect Roy may concur (maybe he would put Gera's experience above Dozza's promise) but until the injury/fitness issues are resolved Jimmy is promoted to no. 2 in the order.

Instead of us moaning about Jimmy, I think we should be pretty grateful we've got such a professional, technically competent and hard working, lower Premiership player to come in and do a decent if not spectacular job when we have four of our main "front six" options injured or unfit.

It's not so long ago we were having to choose between Carter and Chaplow as first choices.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on August 30, 2011, 06:29:39 PM
Lordbaggie, Thomas and Dorrans both started in the week, how long do you have them around the squad before you decide they are fit enough to play premier league games exactly?

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Rybs on August 30, 2011, 11:23:58 PM
Hi, long time reader/watcher of the forum here. I play football on a Saturday (not to a great standard, but one to which I understand tactics), and am also studying for my UEFA B coaching badges at present.
I feel Morrison is restricted by instructions given to him, he is one of the players in our squad who is better at keeping the ball. I've always been taught that if a pass is on and the player wants it - which at the level of the premier league they most likely will - then give the man the ball.
As an Albion fan I'm also frustrated by the fact he may not be splitting the oppositions defence as much as we'd like, but not every pass has to be a "killer" pass.
In my opinion he may be being told to keep the ball rather than take a man on, as realistically, the team (percentage wise) are more likely to create a goal scoring chance with build up play rather than the 50/50 of a winger taking on a full back.
We cannot blame somebody who has had their game changed several times (for the teams benefit) for our lack of creativity, the manager picks the players he feels will help us create and score goals.
For the record I don't feel my playing or coaching experience means my opinion counts for more than anybody elses, just wanted to state that managers tactics play a larger part than has been mentioned!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: lordbaggie on August 31, 2011, 09:23:22 AM
Lordbaggie, Thomas and Dorrans both started in the week, how long do you have them around the squad before you decide they are fit enough to play premier league games exactly?

1. Bournemouth away in a (relatively) meaningless Cup game, where we picked our second string? Different kettle of fish to the Premier where points lost could see us relegated with major repercussions. You can take risks with the first.

2. Thomas only lasted 45 mins in the Cup

3. If Dorrans is rebuilding his fitness it makes sense to run him out in the Cup, but is risky to ask him to play 90 mins twice in 4 days
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Poisonous_Squirrel on August 31, 2011, 09:31:10 AM
Depends what you want from your midfielder. For my money Morrison has the best understanding of finding space between the lines in our squad, it's just a shame that when he finds it making the right decision or seeing/executing a killer pass isn't consistently there yet. Then again if it were he probably wouldn't be at the Albion.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 31, 2011, 12:45:42 PM
AFAIK, Dorrans has had a full pre-season like everyone else, so arguably should have been as fit as the rest of them going into the pre-season friendlies. If he's lost fitness since then, it's probably to do with him just getting 10 mins here and there, apart from the Bournemouth game.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: nick_wba on September 03, 2011, 03:02:36 PM
Hope Jimmy has a stormer for the Jocks today, prove his haters wrong!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: CL3MO on September 03, 2011, 03:08:57 PM
Hope Jimmy has a stormer for the Jocks today, prove his haters wrong!

There are not haters! I'm sick of post's like this.

People are just making justified criticism of a player that has started all three of our games and hasn't seemed to make an impact in any of them, when we have Dorrans, who is most people say is one of our best technical players at the club.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 03, 2011, 03:10:36 PM
Hope Jimmy has a stormer for the Jocks today, prove his haters wrong!

They certainly aren't haters as but many believe (myself included) that we have better options available to us and they would rather see them get a chance instead. Competition for places will get even stronger soon with Gera available and clearly a favourite for Hodgson so he will have to do really well for us to keep his place.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 03, 2011, 03:52:20 PM
Poor first half against the Czechs in my opinion. Hope he picks it up in the final 45.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 03, 2011, 03:58:41 PM
He's playing for Scotland just like he plays for us - short 5 yard passes, but offering nothing at all.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie Artist on September 03, 2011, 04:14:31 PM
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They certainly aren't haters as but many believe (myself included) that we have better options available to us and they would rather see them get a chance instead.

Dorrans not even on the bench for Scotland though
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieBoyLee on September 03, 2011, 04:17:11 PM
Such an average player. The last 5 times he's had the ball vs the Czechs he's given it away under no pressure at all.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: KingKoren on September 03, 2011, 04:52:42 PM
Such an average player. The last 5 times he's had the ball vs the Czechs he's given it away under no pressure at all.

Think he played well. Adam was awful.

The ref has really done Scotland over - horror show from the ref.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieBoyLee on September 03, 2011, 04:55:38 PM
Genuinely feel quite gutted for Scotland. Shocking performance from the ref, nailed on penalty at the end!

As for Morrison, bystander again for the whole game. Nothing really worth noting.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 03, 2011, 05:05:25 PM
He was a little better in the second half, but still mostly invisible.

A very dislikeable performance by the Czechs. Lots of diving, lots of fouling, little quality. That penalty was nauseating.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggieheart on September 03, 2011, 05:36:31 PM
amazing at how many bad performances he puts in for club & country & still gets picked. ::)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 03, 2011, 05:49:36 PM
amazing at how many bad performances he puts in for club & country & still gets picked. ::)

You're certainly welcome to point out whatever it was you think he did well today. Other than that nice feed to Kenny Miller in front of goal in the second half, I saw very little.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggieheart on September 03, 2011, 05:52:32 PM
You're certainly welcome to point out whatever it was you think he did well today. Other than that nice feed to Kenny Miller in front of goal in the second half, I saw very little.

didn't watch the game. I believe Jimmy follows his managers instructions superbly which I would imagine when your the underdog in a game is very important.

Tired of people picking on his game to be honest.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 03, 2011, 06:07:36 PM
didn't watch the game. I believe Jimmy follows his managers instructions superbly which I would imagine when your the underdog in a game is very important.

Hehe ok, I suppose that's possible. Craig "4-6-0" Levein isn't exactly Jose Mourinho.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 03, 2011, 06:28:22 PM
I thought he had a fairly effective game, doing his job, putting his foot in and disrupting play. Was instrumental in creating one of Scotland's best chances in the match.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 03, 2011, 06:46:51 PM
One..... Two.....Three..

....BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Its going to happen, you can see it coming for miles.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: richjonawba on September 03, 2011, 07:06:15 PM
One..... Two.....Three..

....BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Its going to happen, you can see it coming for miles.

oh boohoo

the guy is a professional footballer for a club we pay to watch, he is there to be scrutinised. It doesn't mean people are going to boo him, that would be so nasty   :'(.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 03, 2011, 07:17:48 PM
The reaction from the supporters when he was subbed off for Graham Dorrans against Stoke said it all really. Ironic cheers and plenty of comments along the lines of 'about ******* time' followed by the heroes welcome for his replacement.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 03, 2011, 07:25:11 PM
Richjon, what's he done to deserve it apart from not being Dorrans?

Fickle, so fickle.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: gerry m on September 03, 2011, 07:42:07 PM
Richjon, what's he done to deserve it apart from not being Dorrans?

Fickle, so fickle.

looks like he's the new whipping boy! talking over from scott carson.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: jonestown on September 03, 2011, 07:59:55 PM
morrison links up pay well, moves the ball quickly, tracks back well, he was a vital cog in the machine. these arent the exciting stand out jobs, which is why people dont notice, yet he did skip passed a few players and set up goalscoring chances against chelsea and stoke. dorrans time will come, hes a great player, but roy is a master tactician and knows what players are affective against certain oppostion. dorrans is a player who in certain games will go into the lineup and be a huge benefit. his composure and ability to seemingly unlock a defense wont be wasted on roy, but in the games against the two best teams in the country, morrison is the more disciplined and instead of the flashy stuff which may pay off in 6 times out of 10(dorrans), overall roy has probably got it right in choosing steadier stuff but 8 times out of 10 (morrison). the only time this didnt work was when the game was flat against stoke, and hodgson made the sub, possibly too late.

but i agree with the point that morrison is getting treated unfairly because he isnt dorrans. but as i said dorrans will get his chance, no doubt, roy knows what hes doing
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: the rainbow turn east on September 03, 2011, 08:35:17 PM
morrison links up pay well, moves the ball quickly, tracks back well, he was a vital cog in the machine. these arent the exciting stand out jobs, which is why people dont notice, yet he did skip passed a few players and set up goalscoring chances against chelsea and stoke. dorrans time will come, hes a great player, but roy is a master tactician and knows what players are affective against certain oppostion. dorrans is a player who in certain games will go into the lineup and be a huge benefit. his composure and ability to seemingly unlock a defense wont be wasted on roy, but in the games against the two best teams in the country, morrison is the more disciplined and instead of the flashy stuff which may pay off in 6 times out of 10(dorrans), overall roy has probably got it right in choosing steadier stuff but 8 times out of 10 (morrison). the only time this didnt work was when the game was flat against stoke, and hodgson made the sub, possibly too late.

but i agree with the point that morrison is getting treated unfairly because he isnt dorrans. but as i said dorrans will get his chance, no doubt, roy knows what hes doing


How can Roy be a master tactician when he leaves the only player with any sort of pace `JEROME THOMAS`!!
on the bench against Stoke City who have one of the slowest back 4 `s in the prem,
this clown has got to start changing the team around abit  before we end up bottom of the league and 10 points adrift. Hodgson was alright last season as he just left off from Di Matteo`s good work
but when Albion have their team captain talking about negative football then that worrys me alot . :'(
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 03, 2011, 08:45:18 PM
Jerome Thomas was out of action for three weeks, he was never fit enough to start that game he would have been lucky to last 45 minutes especially with his injury record ffs. But lets just throw him straight in against a team that kicks anything that moves and risk losing the lad for even longer.

I honestly can't get over the fact you have called Hodgson a clown, read your post again and then tell me you haven't completely overreacted. Then have a look in the mirror and see if you have any face paint on.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 03, 2011, 08:47:16 PM
"This clown"

Wow, you must either be a dingle or the newest jonny come lately of all, unelievable.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: jonny on September 03, 2011, 09:06:03 PM
"This clown"

Wow, you must either be a dingle or the newest jonny come lately of all, unelievable.

 :o I'm not that bad am I?!?!

Jimmy is a good player, keeps possession nicely and always keeps running IMO.

Would notice it a lot more if he wasn't in the team!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Albion79 on September 03, 2011, 09:24:37 PM
I think Morrison is getting a lot of unfair stick, i think he is obviously asked to do a job which would seem he dees effectively as he has played every game this season.

Under Mowbray i thought he was arguably our best player until he got injured, under Hodgson especially this season now he has stamped his influence i expect us to be a lot more organised and hard to beat and lose some of the attacking flair and skill that worked last season, it may be a good thing as teams will know more about us than last season, it may be a bad thing as i personally enjoyed watching thinking we would score most games.

Hodgson has obviously seen something in Morrison he thinks adds to the team that Dorrans doesnt, when Dorrans gets a chance its up to him to prove he should play but although he was superb 2 years ago, with the odd fleeting moment Dorrans hasnt really had any impact on the prem under RDM or Hodgson, not writing him off as i hope he will be superb but maybe we are expecting a bit too much from him,

I would like as a fan to see Morrison make that killer pass, or some great piece of skill but i think he is an intelligent footballer and probably one of those players whose teammates appreciate him more than us fans. There have been a few players like that over the years, most notably of late Heskey, fans laugh and slate him but Owen, Rooney, Beckham, Defoe, Gerrard to name a few all said how good a teamplayer he was and i have a feeling if you asked the Albion and Scotland players the same they would say the same about Morrison.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: richjonawba on September 03, 2011, 11:58:32 PM
Richjon, what's he done to deserve it apart from not being Dorrans?

Fickle, so fickle.

Its not a matter of him not being Dorrans, its more that he isn't good enough and Dorrans is. Id also prefer to see Thorne given a go ahead of him if that makes you feel any better..

You might want to look up the definition of fickle, because i don't actually seem to recall ever really rating Morrison above being a decidedly average player at best.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 04, 2011, 12:32:00 AM
Another day another manager picking James Morrison, how do all these top football people keep getting work?  :-*

Imagine being Scottish and an Albion fan, you must be seething... Premier League regular once again incorrectly selected ahead of Championship flat track bully... The mind boggles!  ::)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WSBaggie on September 04, 2011, 01:32:12 AM
I don't care what people think of Mozza I rate him and I'm grateful for the job he does for the team. I'm also a big Dorrans fan but I'm going to respect whatever decision Hodgson makes over the pair of them.

As for the Mozza 'haters'  Viva Jimmy Morrison!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: joeymayo on September 04, 2011, 08:05:41 AM
Its not a matter of him not being Dorrans, its more that he isn't good enough and Dorrans is. Id also prefer to see Thorne given a go ahead of him if that makes you feel any better..

You might want to look up the definition of fickle, because i don't actually seem to recall ever really rating Morrison above being a decidedly average player at best.


I must be blind I never saw your name amongst the candidates when RDM was sacked. You obviously know more than the last three coaches and they are so under qualified. James Morrison gets picked because he's the right for the part. Graham Dorrans has done nothing of note whilst we have been in the Premiership. This is a higher echelon of football and if you if you don't perform you don't play. You have no right to question RH decisions, as a supporter, the definition is in what you are, so support whoever wears the shirt. If Dorrans comes on to the field it's up to him to show what he can do.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: richjonawba on September 04, 2011, 08:50:56 AM

I must be blind I never saw your name amongst the candidates when RDM was sacked. You obviously know more than the last three coaches and they are so under qualified. James Morrison gets picked because he's the right for the part. Graham Dorrans has done nothing of note whilst we have been in the Premiership. This is a higher echelon of football and if you if you don't perform you don't play. You have no right to question RH decisions, as a supporter, the definition is in what you are, so support whoever wears the shirt. If Dorrans comes on to the field it's up to him to show what he can do.

My god some people are tetchy on here, seeing as this is a place for opinions its ridiculous the way some people feel they must defend players and managers.

I never said i could be manager, but these three managers you mention, they are human beings, they are capable of getting things wrong. Hodgson got our whole game plan wrong on sunday for example. Morrison is an alright player, but he offers absolutely nothing, Dorrans has rarely played for us in the premier league, but id say even in his first season where he was here on loan he looked a lot better than Morrison ever has playing in this league. Im sorry, feel free to defend the manager and any other player you feel i offended, you hero.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggieheart on September 04, 2011, 09:53:22 AM
My god some people are tetchy on here, seeing as this is a place for opinions its ridiculous the way some people feel they must defend players and managers.

I never said i could be manager, but these three managers you mention, they are human beings, they are capable of getting things wrong. Hodgson got our whole game plan wrong on sunday for example. Morrison is an alright player, but he offers absolutely nothing, Dorrans has rarely played for us in the premier league, but id say even in his first season where he was here on loan he looked a lot better than Morrison ever has playing in this league. Im sorry, feel free to defend the manager and any other player you feel i offended, you hero.

Perhaps their opinion is Morrison is better.

Others see it as when people start complain that even the Scotland manager picks him and we are going to pull apart his game for them (which unless your Scottish or support Scotland is pathetic) it is pure bullying of a player because they want Dorrans in the side.

Still when Thomas is fully fit, neither Morrison or Dorrans will be starting.

Wonder which midfielder will be pulled upon then?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 04, 2011, 10:11:24 AM
Every season we must have a target to seek out and destroy - it just wouldn't do to respect a managers decision - we must let him know that we know better.

There are posts on this thread I agree with and are well put together, there are also some that stink of bitterness, arrogance and disrespect .
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on September 04, 2011, 12:50:20 PM
At the end of the day he's an underachieving premiership footballer so he's there to be criticised.

He wasn't good enough last season and he certainly hasn't started this season well either.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 04, 2011, 12:51:56 PM
Those making "appeals to authority", i.e. "your opinion is not valid because you disagree with a professional football manager", do so at their peril. They cannot ever then disagree with him themselves, lest they rightfully be dismissed as hypocrites.

And if they don't ever disagree, always chiming in that the manager must be right, since he's the professional, then no-one needs to hear from them, do they? It's merely irritating background noise, contributing nothing but condescending reminders that only professionals are qualified to have opinions.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on September 04, 2011, 12:55:10 PM
I think the problem is its not just Hodgson that seems to prefer him so does Crag Levin, there must be some reason behind it, perhaps Dorrans doesnt adapt to team instructions?

However for me Dorrans needs to replace Morrison in our set up but whilst Morrison is in the team he should not be hounded out, my concern is this will happen due to the treatment of previous players at our club that 'fans' do not want to see in the first team.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 04, 2011, 01:24:04 PM
I think the problem is its not just Hodgson that seems to prefer him so does Crag Levin, there must be some reason behind it, perhaps Dorrans doesnt adapt to team instructions?

Craig Levein, like most national managers, is very much averse to using players who aren't getting consistent first-team action. (Sir Alex felt it necessary to ring Levein up personally to make sure Darren Fletcher played in yesterday's game.) As long as Roy uses Morrison and doesn't use Dorrans, he's making the decision for the both of them.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 04, 2011, 01:33:46 PM
Perhaps Hodgson should have given him a call personally to ask him to drop a midfielder that has played for his club and play Dorrans instead to do us a favour considering his lack of first team action as of late.

As I see it out of the two Morrison is a proven steady performer in the Premier League as Dorrans has done very little of note in his time as a Premier League player, personal issues and injury being the reason. He needs to take any chances he gets with both hands and force his way into the team. At the moment Morrison is the one to displace and once Gera is available who is a clear favourite of Hodgson's  there is even more competition for places.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 04, 2011, 01:39:49 PM
Perhaps Hodgson should have given him a call personally to ask him to drop a midfielder that has played for his club and play Dorrans instead to do us a favour considering his lack of first team action as of late.
Sir Alex wasn't asking for a favour; he was making sure Levein knew that Fletcher was ready to return to United's first team after his long absence.

Or are you being snide for some reason?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 04, 2011, 01:41:14 PM
It was a very much a tongue in cheek comment.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 04, 2011, 01:46:49 PM
People can have opinions all day long, sadly a few players have ended up going through the wringer with fans deciding to let the manager know they don't want him.

That game at Reading sticks in my mind as the day I really changed my mind about some of my fellow fans, and not in a good way - arrogant, pig headed, ill informed, impatient, ungreatful, loutish and short sighted comes to mind.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 04, 2011, 01:49:48 PM
People can have opinions all day long, sadly a few players have ended up going through the wringer with fans deciding to let the manager know they don't want him.

That game at Reading sticks in my mind as the day I really changed my mind about some of my fellow fans, and not in a good way.

I feel exactly the same, I don't think I will ever forget that game and the shame I felt being associated with a high number of our so called supporters that day. They did far more harm than good.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 04, 2011, 01:54:37 PM
Not wanting to turn this into a Carson thread but I honestly believe he went because he told the club he had no intention of staying here - he hated us as fans, you could tell in the post Everton lap of honour and I don't blame him.

Then we have Luke Moore and the smart arse abuse he got at the open training day whilst signing autographs for kids.

We have some pitiful scumbags in our ranks who think they can do and say what they like.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 04, 2011, 01:57:51 PM
Anyone who boos one of his own side's players merely for not having enough talent merits a kick in the scrotum.

I think I'll make that my signature.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mat15(MH) on September 04, 2011, 02:22:54 PM
For me, some of it is frustration with Morrison.Some of the goals he scored, or the passes he made, were brilliant so you know he is able to perform really well at this level.But the problem is when he doesn't do either of these, there's not much he can offer like going past a full-back and whipping in a cross.I'm not sure he's consistent enough.

Do we know if Dorrans is consistent enough? No, but has he been given a chance to show he can be? No.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on September 04, 2011, 07:39:36 PM
I see Mozza played the full match for Scotland and Dozza didn't feature. Roy and Craig must be idiots right?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on September 04, 2011, 07:48:54 PM
I see Mozza played the full match for Scotland and Dozza didn't feature. Roy and Craig must be idiots right?
You tell us. The rest of us wouldn't really know since we're not on first name terms with them.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on September 04, 2011, 08:33:48 PM
Kicking Pigeons my point being everyone seems to know better than two excperienced managers and as for the first name terms comments that is so childish I'd expect a comment like that off a dingle not a baggie. So silly to argue amongst ourselves. Quite sad really that its come to that. I'm going to cancel my account now after 4 years posting can't be bothered to fall out with my fellow baggies anymore I'd rather not comment. Goodbye and boing boing!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on September 04, 2011, 08:56:29 PM
Kicking Pigeons my point being everyone seems to know better than two excperienced managers and as for the first name terms comments that is so childish I'd expect a comment like that off a dingle not a baggie. So silly to argue amongst ourselves. Quite sad really that its come to that. I'm going to cancel my account now after 4 years posting can't be bothered to fall out with my fellow baggies anymore I'd rather not comment. Goodbye and boing boing!
I'm sorry I didn't mean any offence. I was only joking ???.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: KingKoren on September 04, 2011, 08:58:54 PM
I'm sorry I didn't mean any offence. I was only joking ???.

You don't know where the line is DO YOU?!!  :P
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 05, 2011, 12:43:29 AM
Kicking Pigeons my point being everyone seems to know better than two excperienced managers and as for the first name terms comments that is so childish I'd expect a comment like that off a dingle not a baggie. So silly to argue amongst ourselves. Quite sad really that its come to that. I'm going to cancel my account now after 4 years posting can't be bothered to fall out with my fellow baggies anymore I'd rather not comment. Goodbye and boing boing!

Those making "appeals to authority", i.e. "your opinion is not valid because you disagree with a professional football manager", do so at their peril. They cannot ever then disagree with him themselves, lest they rightfully be dismissed as hypocrites.

 And if they don't ever disagree, always chiming in that the manager must be right, since he's the professional, then no-one needs to hear from them, do they? It's merely irritating background noise, contributing nothing but condescending reminders that only professionals are qualified to have opinions.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 05, 2011, 12:43:48 AM
I think this thread has gone far enough. The reasonable points have all been made, and now people on both sides have been reduced to trading barbs, implied or overt. I suggest it be locked.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on September 05, 2011, 12:57:11 AM
You don't know where the line is DO YOU?!!  :P
I know, always been my problem, ruins every Christmas :(.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: greggy8689 on September 05, 2011, 03:57:13 PM
Not wanting to turn this into a Carson thread but I honestly believe he went because he told the club he had no intention of staying here - he hated us as fans, you could tell in the post Everton lap of honour and I don't blame him.


The feeling inside the club was that they had no intention of wanting to keep him here either. I agree this forum in honesty makes me laugh at sometimes how stupid and idiotic our fans are with what they say. I try not to post much anymore because just like banging your head against a wall with some people.

JM is very consistent but doesn't quite have that spark that other players have in their locker. Does the standard stuff every single game. He did look very lightweight against Stoke.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 05, 2011, 04:53:14 PM
I think this thread has gone far enough. The reasonable points have all been made, and now people on both sides have been reduced to trading barbs, implied or overt. I suggest it be locked.

We went over 50 pages on a thread with Scott Carson.. 'Scott Carson - time to go' I think it was called  :D
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on September 05, 2011, 05:01:55 PM
There's a huge difference between the two...

Carson made horrendous errors and wasn't very consistent (good keeper but we now have better for the time being) whereas Morrison doesn't make many errors, he's just consistently average. You can't really compare outfielders to a keeper either.

And...if he does get booed then it shows there's something wrong. I'm not condoning it and have never booed an Albion player but usually it says a lot about the person being booed. Dorrans is better. End of!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie Artist on September 05, 2011, 05:15:47 PM
Dorrans has played a handful of games for us on the wing, there's no guarantee that he will be better than Morrison at all. I don't blame the crowd for getting  frustrated with Carson and Fortune last season as both were poor but I think it's getting a bit out of hand when they're being so vocal about relatively close calls in squad selection.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tommcneill on September 05, 2011, 05:29:09 PM
Open your eyes, turn on the season review. Watch the killer passes he supplies. Simple. I could get so angry how people slag him off so muich..

granted he was poor yesterday.

Yes he does play a fair amount of killer balls that eithee assist or lead to assists..

I prefer Dorrans still as he has more to his game..

Morrison is a good player to have round the squad...cant knock his enthusiasm or ability just,his how lightweight he seem
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on September 05, 2011, 05:33:48 PM
Agree on all counts. Bit worried about the long ball bypassing midfield against Stoke, Morrison at least wasn't afraid to play the simple pass rather than hoof.
Still want to see Dorrans get extended run in attacking midfield position (yes would mean 4-5-1) - that's where he played when rifled in the goal against West Ham and can play the killer pass to Pete / Long.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: mandyaaren on September 05, 2011, 05:50:54 PM
 I know everyone is entitled to an opinion but You all need to be careful what you wish for!!!  ::)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on September 05, 2011, 08:57:06 PM
I know everyone is entitled to an opinion but You all need to be careful what you wish for!!!  ::)

Not sure I follow what you mean ...?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 06, 2011, 12:03:56 PM
i would agree with pots hat he isnt our best midfielder and there is numerous players who on paper are better then him. But i dont think he has started badly he doesnt hide he keeps the ball he adds tempo!

unfortunately we cant go playing bunt thomas gera and dorrans although would be good going forward it wouldnt work!

to some respects mozz is abit like AJ hes a chaser and he plays the simple pass which at times is what is required.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Clarkus on September 06, 2011, 12:15:18 PM
i thought dorrans played well against galatasary in the pre season friendly in the morrison position so we would have to see him givin games there to see if his more productive than morrison. with thomas now back i cant see him not getting the left side position anyway. Thing with morrsion that frustrates me is when he gets muscled off the ball easy and quite frequant. the man needs some protein shakes  ;)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jack Russell on September 06, 2011, 12:16:51 PM
i would agree with pots hat he isnt our best midfielder and there is numerous players who on paper are better then him. But i dont think he has started badly he doesnt hide he keeps the ball he adds tempo!

unfortunately we cant go playing bunt thomas gera and dorrans although would be good going forward it wouldnt work!

to some respects mozz is abit like AJ hes a chaser and he plays the simple pass which at times is what is required.

Totally disagree Morrison is nothing like AJ
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mister AT on September 06, 2011, 12:17:13 PM
Can see Dorrans getting the nod against Norwich.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Clarkus on September 06, 2011, 12:27:21 PM
with the front 2 of long & pete looking like there going to struggle id say its 5 midfielders against norwich so morrison might be behind tchoyi which is his best position. we'll see
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 06, 2011, 01:16:43 PM
In Scotlands starting 11 tonight, no sign of Dorrans again..
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 06, 2011, 01:18:14 PM
cant get in the Albion XI or Scotlands despite adam being injured tends to suggest its well known he isnt fit or on form.....
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 06, 2011, 01:21:54 PM
Well if he isn't getting a game he hasn't even got the chance to get on/off form. Also he is fit, he played full 90 minutes at Bournemouth and came on for 20 minutes at Stoke. Something really is up with Dorrans  ???
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 06, 2011, 01:24:47 PM
as you said got 90 at bournemouth and atleast 10 against stoke! he will get back to his best i hope dont want another ishmael miller style detoriation!

wouldnt rush him into starting he needs to start making an impact from the bench before he can be considered he looks very rusty
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tylerm on September 06, 2011, 01:30:16 PM
i think that you will see Gera getting a chance before Dorrans
TBH would like to see Brunt back on the left and Gera right
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 06, 2011, 01:32:31 PM
i think that you will see Gera getting a chance before Dorrans
TBH would like to see Brunt back on the left and Gera right

agreed!
but were going off the point of james morrison here!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: t76 on September 06, 2011, 02:30:58 PM
agreed!
but were going off the point of james morrison here!
You mean twinkletoes?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Webby on September 06, 2011, 03:40:23 PM
You mean twinkletoes?

I think you mean he has 'soft' feet ;)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jack Russell on September 06, 2011, 03:42:10 PM
I think you mean he has 'soft' feet ;)


Tippy Tappy
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on September 06, 2011, 11:32:48 PM
Anyone watch the Scotland game? Did he do anything? (apart from work hard)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 07, 2011, 12:23:51 AM
Anyone watch the Scotland game? Did he do anything? (apart from work hard)

I watch all Scotland games, but I'm done reviewing Morrison. I'll send you a private message, if you want.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: greggy8689 on September 07, 2011, 07:58:03 AM
i would agree with pots hat he isnt our best midfielder and there is numerous players who on paper are better then him. But i dont think he has started badly he doesnt hide he keeps the ball he adds tempo!

unfortunately we cant go playing bunt thomas gera and dorrans although would be good going forward it wouldnt work!

to some respects mozz is abit like AJ hes a chaser and he plays the simple pass which at times is what is required.

No way can Morrison be compared to AJ.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: crisoWBA on September 09, 2011, 11:15:58 PM
James Morrison is a great player, i would like to play him with Dorrans in the squad to which would mean taking out Brunt. But check this video on him i made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY1mZcwv3F4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY1mZcwv3F4)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: mandyaaren on September 10, 2011, 06:29:36 PM
I totally agree with what you say about morrison/dorrans not sure about taking brunt out though.... :-\
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Political Cake on September 10, 2011, 06:36:43 PM
I totally agree with what you say about morrison/dorrans not sure about taking brunt out though.... :-\

Spoilt for choice much, arn't we? :P

Morrison for me is a very good player, capable of permorming in the Premier League, however I see the issue often comes at points, like now, where we have another play in Dorrans who could potentially be better. And then it gives Roy a headache whether to take a risk on Dorrans, who is not yet as proven as Morrison, and could potentially get injured again, or take the safe option from Morrison who often performs just alright, and once every while have an excellent game.

Definately need to keep him in my view. Start him though? It's in the balance at this point.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on September 17, 2011, 07:30:49 PM
Another game and another non performance.  Should have been bounced out of the club in the summer with the other underachievers.

Not quick enough to play wide and not strong enough to play centrally so not sure what the hell he's supposed to be.  Never a premiership player in a million years.

Maybe not the only player to have a bad game today but Morrison is crap on an all too regular basis.

Any more rubbish from Jerome Thomas and he'll be deserving his own thread as well soon!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Aztech on September 17, 2011, 07:32:26 PM
Another game and another non performance.  Should have been bounced out of the club in the summer with the other underachievers.
Not quick enough to play wide and not strong enough to play centrally so not sure what the hell he's supposed to be.  Never a premiership player in a million years.
Maybe not the only player to have a bad game today but Morrison is crap on an all too regular basis.

Any more rubbish from Jerome Thomas and he'll be deserving his own thread as well soon!

Maybe we should start a thread for every player after today's performance!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on September 17, 2011, 07:51:06 PM
I think thats an over reaction Red head.

I dont know what he brings to our side in his current role personally and his inclusion in the side makes me ask questions about Hodgson and even our summer transfer policy but he hasnt been an under achiever. He works hard and if anything he is just limited.

Hopefully Dorrans can get fit and start to show more when he comes on and takes the place. After our start to the seaosn though, I fail to feel very positive about anything with the Albion.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie79 on September 17, 2011, 07:53:19 PM
After being shot down when I started this thread I am glad people are starting to see just how ineffective Morrison is.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 17, 2011, 08:28:00 PM
After being shot down when I started this thread I am glad people are starting to see just how ineffective Morrison is.

I've seen it for a while but have been happy to give him a chance, I think now he's had more than enough chances and has not delivered.

Good squad player but not a first choice option for me anymore but I can't see things changing.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieJames114 on September 17, 2011, 08:40:10 PM
We have a very good midfield and Morrison wouldnt be a starter for my first choice midfield but hes certainly not a poor player. Hes good on the ball, hes quick he can deliver defence splitting passes, he can score goals and he runs at players.

Hes a different sort of player to Dorrans. Dorrans is more comfortable on the ball and likes to hold onto it more whereas Morrison looks to get the ball forward as quick as possible and tends to lose the ball more
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie79 on September 17, 2011, 08:52:05 PM
I've seen it for a while but have been happy to give him a chance, I think now he's had more than enough chances and has not delivered.

Good squad player but not a first choice option for me anymore but I can't see things changing.

That's the worrying thing mate!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Wbahunty on September 17, 2011, 08:52:31 PM
COMPLETLY AWFUL!

Havnt a clue what Roy see's in him! Today once again he showed how naff he is!

Sinclair cut inside everytime today against Mozza who didnt get close at any point, he lost the ball everytime he went forward. He couldnt pass (No-one could today)

I always get the impression hes running in quicksand! Never gets there fast enough!

NAFF.

4-5-1  Thomas who needs to improve one side and Tchyoi the other!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: duffneal on September 17, 2011, 08:53:28 PM
Morrison knows how to do a disappearing act far too often!! it can be excused every so often but he turns up one in 10 at best!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 24, 2011, 05:52:36 PM
Took some stick lately and fully justified but credit where its due, he came on and did well today.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Lloydy on September 24, 2011, 05:53:06 PM
Took some stick lately and fully justified but credit where its due, he came on and did well today.

Agreed, thought he did well when he came on.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Aztech on September 24, 2011, 05:58:24 PM
Took some stick lately and fully justified but credit where its due, he came on and did well today.

He did indeed, despite chants of " does he take it up the arse" from some thick twats who call themselves supporters
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on September 24, 2011, 06:01:09 PM
Took some stick lately and fully justified but credit where its due, he came on and did well today.

Well I did see him head the ball twice. Takes some doing.... :o
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on September 24, 2011, 06:04:22 PM
Dorrans was shattered and in all fairness as Phil says Morrison detutised very very well.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on September 24, 2011, 06:15:24 PM
He did indeed, despite chants of " does he take it up the arse" from some thick twats who call themselves supporters
Utterly pathetic if that's what our 'supporters' were chanting.  He's an honest hard working member of the squad. Homophobic chants ( thats what they are) on a par with racist chants - should be no place for it.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Wbamitch on September 24, 2011, 06:53:57 PM
Morrison did well today when he came on, Dorrans despite many of us calling out for him to start, including me was well below par, im starting to think we should maybe put Morrison back in until Gera is fit, trying to use Dorrans as an effective subsitute where he may make more of an impact.

Although our midfield looks our strongest positions in terms of strength in depth it is concerning that neither Dorrans or Morrison have really put in a performance to assure them of a start for the next game. As Morrison probably did more today than Dorrans did even though it was only a short period that maybe warrants him the start at Sunderland.

I do hope Gera is still at least close to the same player he was in his previous spell with the club as it is a position we are struggling with.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 24, 2011, 06:59:49 PM
I'd look at why midfielders are constantly ineffective. Brunt is not a central midfielder, Dorrans is not a holding midfielder, Mulumbu is not a wide midfielder neither is Scharner but at times all 4 have been doing that job. You play to your strengths instead of trying to fit players where they don't go.

Personnel is not the problem, the positions they are put in is.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieJames114 on September 24, 2011, 07:01:53 PM
Good to see him with a bit of spark when he came on, Its nice when players know they have to perform well to get in the side.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BobTaylor on September 24, 2011, 07:06:17 PM
His more suited to Hodgsons orders as is tchoyi, i hate to say it but Thomas and dorrans don't have a future with us under him its like there legs are tied together.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on September 24, 2011, 07:24:15 PM
Good to see him with a bit of spark when he came on, Its nice when players know they have to perform well to get in the side.

Mate, if the truth be known he didn't do anything worth mentioning. He rarely does...
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on September 24, 2011, 08:01:09 PM
On the plus side for Dorrans he got in 120 mins Weds and 70 odd today (looked knack'd after 45 last Saturday) which is hopefully going to stand him in good stead -
Not sure if central midfield is just a holding midfield role. Roy had Danny Murphy central midfield when he was at Fulham and he really pulled the strings for them.
Think Dorrans could potentially do similar - give him another month of regular action. 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 24, 2011, 08:28:09 PM
Didn't hear any chants towards him but did hear some isolated booing, simply no need and doesn't help anyone. He did well when he came on but he needs to do that consistently.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: AlbionBest on September 24, 2011, 09:51:23 PM
Dorrans did a good impression of Morrison today - no better, no worse but untimatley the same results - INSIGNIFICANT !!!

The current Dorrans is hardly an improvement, I just don't know what's happened to either player this season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Rich99 on September 24, 2011, 09:55:05 PM
In my humble opinion, Long and Dorrans did no better today than the worst of Morrison.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Albion07 on September 24, 2011, 11:22:20 PM
Utterly pathetic if that's what our 'supporters' were chanting.  He's an honest hard working member of the squad. Homophobic chants ( thats what they are) on a par with racist chants - should be no place for it.
What on Earth's that about?? ridiculous.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieJames114 on September 24, 2011, 11:35:32 PM
Really dont understand why supporters need a hate figure in the team. Morrisons in his 5th season now and has always been well liked (?) and now all of a sudden its groaning and moaning whenever hes playing. Baffling.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TLMS17 on September 24, 2011, 11:51:30 PM
I personally don't rate Mozza he's never been the same since that blister (or what ever the injury was) how ever I don't chant about him and I don't boo him just like I don't boo anybody who pulls on the stripped shirt of ours
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 25, 2011, 05:16:58 AM
Utterly pathetic if that's what our 'supporters' were chanting.  He's an honest hard working member of the squad. Homophobic chants ( thats what they are) on a par with racist chants - should be no place for it.

Agree 100%. That's even beneath the away support. If it were at a Quakes game, I'd either have a word with the vermin or simply report it to a steward and let him put a stop to it.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: crisoWBA on September 25, 2011, 12:35:59 PM
He did indeed, despite chants of " does he take it up the arse" from some thick twats who call themselves supporters

Am i missing something here? Mozza is gay? or is it just some cavemen types being dumb?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MarkW on September 25, 2011, 01:29:40 PM
Am i missing something here? Mozza is gay? or is it just some cavemen types being dumb?

The implication is that him and RH are fornicating, hence why he constantly gets put on as a sub.

Personally I thought he did well yesterday. Dorrans was ineffective in the deep role yesterday (he needs to be played further forward), and looked shattered by the time he came off. Made a good tackle virtually straight away from coming on, and looked decent in possession.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Aztech on September 25, 2011, 01:31:18 PM
Am i missing something here? Mozza is gay? or is it just some cavemen types being dumb?

What certain so called Albion supporters were chanting when he came on as sub?

Obviously think he is one of Hodgson's favorites, yet pathetic in my opinion.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: crisoWBA on September 25, 2011, 01:40:56 PM
He gets played because he's a good player. Everybodies entitled to their opinion but you gotta remember this guy has been a loyal baggie for a long time now, i think he's our longest serving player in recent years alongside Brunt. He has come up and gone down with the club.

You haters weren't complaining when he scored them screamers last season and when he got the equaliser against Bolton. He plays good football and passes the ball well. He has off days, yes, who doesn't.

Mozza rules :)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WSBaggie on September 25, 2011, 02:07:42 PM
Some people have got an agenda against Morrison plain and simple, a few random boos when his name was read out and when he came on. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: t76 on September 25, 2011, 02:08:52 PM
He gets played because he's a good player. Everybodies entitled to their opinion but you gotta remember this guy has been a loyal baggie for a long time now, i think he's our longest serving player in recent years alongside Brunt. He has come up and gone down with the club.

You haters weren't complaining when he scored them screamers last season and when he got the equaliser against Bolton. He plays good football and passes the ball well. He has off days, yes, who doesn't.

Mozza rules :)
Everyday is an off day for him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 25, 2011, 02:12:09 PM
If we are going to split hairs with one player to be objctive we have to do it with all - like Ben Fosters spilling easy saves and letting balls through his legs.

He's not the best but he's easilly good enough for our squad and gave more than that pathetic performance dorrans turned in.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: hardtobeat on September 25, 2011, 02:15:05 PM
Morrison did more in his short time on the pitch than golden boy Graeme did in considerably longer,will Dorrans be booed i think not!!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: mandyaaren on September 25, 2011, 06:35:41 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinions and i respect that but shouting that is vile  >:(  and the so called albion fans should be totally ashamed of themselves... Morrison has stayed loyal to the fans and to the club and because he has a few off games its like the world has ended  i wonder if he scored the winner yesterday how many views of him would change?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on September 25, 2011, 07:24:23 PM
He's not the best but he's easilly good enough for our squad and gave more than that pathetic performance dorrans turned in.

Morrison did more in his short time on the pitch than golden boy Graeme did in considerably longer,will Dorrans be booed i think not!!

What has Graham Dorrans done to be dragged in to this thread? Here is possibly our most talented footballer (is in my view) trying to establish himself again after a season of miserable injury woes. Working hard for the team and getting slagged off because he has not yet hit the incredibly high standards we know hes capable of when hes not even had a good run in the team yet! The fickle nature of the football fan
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 25, 2011, 07:57:29 PM
So one player can be criticised but another cannot? I didn't think Dorrans was very goof at all yesterday and believe it or not that is allowed.

I've not written him off or abused him, I've simply said he was rubbish yesterday which most people agree with. Is that fickle?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WSBaggie on September 25, 2011, 08:05:03 PM
What has Graham Dorrans done to be dragged in to this thread? Here is possibly our most talented footballer (is in my view) trying to establish himself again after a season of miserable injury woes. Working hard for the team and getting slagged off because he has not yet hit the incredibly high standards we know hes capable of when hes not even had a good run in the team yet! The fickle nature of the football fan

Simple, everyone compares Morrison and Dorrans in our midfield because they are battling for the same position. It's only natural comparisons are going to be drawn and as painful as it might be for some people on here, Morrison did more in his 10 minutes than Dorrans did in 80.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 25, 2011, 08:56:51 PM
Morrison had a better game yesterday but its fair to say he has not impressed this season overall. I feel the same with him as I did with Miller and I do with Bednar. They have served us well but I think now we need that little bit more and he should be a squad player who can offer something when needed but not consistently.

I am a big Dorrans fan but yesterday he was poor, could it be down to the role he was asked to play ? could it be a lack of fitness ? could it be he is still having problems dealing with off field issues ? or could it be he was just crap ?

I think Morrison suffers at times from not having a defined and settled position.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on September 25, 2011, 10:14:16 PM
So one player can be criticised but another cannot? I didn't think Dorrans was very goof at all yesterday and believe it or not that is allowed.
I've not written him off or abused him, I've simply said he was rubbish yesterday which most people agree with. Is that fickle?
Simple, everyone compares Morrison and Dorrans in our midfield because they are battling for the same position. It's only natural comparisons are going to be drawn and as painful as it might be for some people on here, Morrison did more in his 10 minutes than Dorrans did in 80.
Did i say you had written him off or abused him? All players are open to criticism of course. Its a results driven business like many out there. As you said yourself he was simply "rubbish" with no context or argument to support it. My original argument was that considering the injuries that GD has had his performance was actually pretty good yesterday. He worked hard and tried to pass the ball for the benefit of the team. hence my comment re fickle fans. "pathetic" you really believe that sums up his performance yesterday?

"morrison did more in his 10 than dorrans did in 80" that sounds ridiculous. what actual substance is there to back that up?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 26, 2011, 10:18:26 AM
Did i say you had written him off or abused him? All players are open to criticism of course. Its a results driven business like many out there. As you said yourself he was simply "rubbish" with no context or argument to support it. My original argument was that considering the injuries that GD has had his performance was actually pretty good yesterday. He worked hard and tried to pass the ball for the benefit of the team. hence my comment re fickle fans. "pathetic" you really believe that sums up his performance yesterday?

"morrison did more in his 10 than dorrans did in 80" that sounds ridiculous. what actual substance is there to back that up?

So if i havn't abused or written him off then what exactly is your problem? I've given substance to my conclousion elsewhere on here but for your benefit i felt he was slow, innacurate when passing and absoloutly miles off the pace of the game in general. When Morrisson came on i felt he added more of a consistant presence on the field and was more available and aware.

Dorrans needs to get match fit, but the premiership isn't a gymnasium.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on September 26, 2011, 10:44:31 AM
So if i havn't abused or written him off then what exactly is your problem? I've given substance to my conclousion elsewhere on here but for your benefit i felt he was slow, innacurate when passing and absoloutly miles off the pace of the game in general. When Morrisson came on i felt he added more of a consistant presence on the field and was more available and aware.

Dorrans needs to get match fit, but the premiership isn't a gymnasium.

LOL rowley were going to have to shake hands on this one or if were not careful WBA Oldbury will be refereeing pistols at dawn in sandwell park! but you cant beat some lively footie debate though!
Firstly im going to apologise for attributing WSbaggies quote to you that was my typo error sorry. I have never had a problem i just felt based on what i had read that GD had to be defended a little. If you have given your substance elswhere i respect that although to be fair to me i had not had that hindsight. I think perhaps all our difference on this one is that i just felt GD actually did a bit better on the day than you. just a difference of opinion. I do think that GD has done probably all his gym work and actually what he really needs is a good run of games. I certainly agree with your view on morrison he looked very lively when he came on. I await our next clash in anticipation..
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieBoiJono on September 26, 2011, 11:05:06 AM
The fans around me row HH in smethwick should be ashamed of themselves booing when morrison came on the pitch.. Ok he might not have " played " well in recent games, but he always gives 110%, and definately doesnt deserve booing.

It was good to see his tackling back something missing from dorrans game, hence why roy has been picking him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on September 26, 2011, 11:34:11 AM
LOL rowley were going to have to shake hands on this one or if were not careful WBA Oldbury will be refereeing pistols at dawn in sandwell park! but you cant beat some lively footie debate though!
Firstly im going to apologise for attributing WSbaggies quote to you that was my typo error sorry. I have never had a problem i just felt based on what i had read that GD had to be defended a little. If you have given your substance elswhere i respect that although to be fair to me i had not had that hindsight. I think perhaps all our difference on this one is that i just felt GD actually did a bit better on the day than you. just a difference of opinion. I do think that GD has done probably all his gym work and actually what he really needs is a good run of games. I certainly agree with your view on morrison he looked very lively when he came on. I await our next clash in anticipation..

Don't worry ruby, respect to you.

Oldbury wouldn't have intervined as the disagreement was sorted out by us bother acting like adults, which is what we want more of.

Welcome to the site.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WSBaggie on September 26, 2011, 01:10:43 PM
Did i say you had written him off or abused him? All players are open to criticism of course. Its a results driven business like many out there. As you said yourself he was simply "rubbish" with no context or argument to support it. My original argument was that considering the injuries that GD has had his performance was actually pretty good yesterday. He worked hard and tried to pass the ball for the benefit of the team. hence my comment re fickle fans. "pathetic" you really believe that sums up his performance yesterday?

"morrison did more in his 10 than dorrans did in 80" that sounds ridiculous. what actual substance is there to back that up?

The substance is Morrison looked more lively, tackled better, and passed well (maybe because he has a point to prove). Dorrans looked off from the start and did very little compared to what we have seen him do in the past.

Oh and by the way before you accuse me of been a Morrison 'lover' for the record I like both players and actually think Dorrans edges it. Just giving an honest opinion on what I saw yesterday.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Tipton Baggie on September 26, 2011, 01:19:50 PM
Did well when he came on, played a nice through ball and tracked back and tackled well. An improvement.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on September 26, 2011, 01:27:26 PM
The substance is Morrison looked more lively, tackled better, and passed well (maybe because he has a point to prove). Dorrans looked off from the start and did very little compared to what we have seen him do in the past.

Oh and by the way before you accuse me of been a Morrison 'lover' for the record I like both players and actually think Dorrans edges it. Just giving an honest opinion on what I saw yesterday.

No intention of accusing you of morrison bias WS. actually i agree wholeheartedly with you re morrison when he came on. my point in defence of GD was that to compare apples with apples morrison would have to be on the pitch for much longer. If he had been absolutely awful for the next 70 mins hypothetically then over 80 mins might not have been any better than GD imo. Didnt think 10 minutes was enough to make that comparison.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 26, 2011, 01:35:10 PM
Dorrans for me but Morrison did ok for his ten minute cameo
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: SuperDorrans on September 30, 2011, 12:47:27 AM
Morrison is a decent premiership player imo but the trouble is we have other players in the same position as him who are much more creative and are just generally better like Tchoyi, Dorrans and Gera when he returns.

The stick he is getting from the stands is pathetic though, just because Carson has gone the fans need to find a new scapegoat to target. He is our longest serving player now and has done a lot for the club over the years in the Championship and Premiership, whoever was booing him against Fulham aren't fans in my eyes.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on September 30, 2011, 12:48:56 PM
Morrison is a decent premiership player imo but the trouble is we have other players in the same position as him who are much more creative and are just generally better like Tchoyi, Dorrans and Gera when he returns.

The stick he is getting from the stands is pathetic though, just because Carson has gone the fans need to find a new scapegoat to target. He is our longest serving player now and has done a lot for the club over the years in the Championship and Premiership, whoever was booing him against Fulham aren't fans in my eyes.

Well said SuperDorrans Well Said!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on September 30, 2011, 01:05:39 PM
I don't think fans really boo the indivdual (unless they aren't showing any desire or effort) but more the selection of the player itself. Not that I'm saying booing is acceptable of course. Morrison is one of the hardest working players we have but just lacks that extra bit of spark. I do wish he would stop shying away from challenges though.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on September 30, 2011, 02:08:41 PM
I don't think fans really boo the indivdual (unless they aren't showing any desire or effort) but more the selection of the player itself. Not that I'm saying booing is acceptable of course. Morrison is one of the hardest working players we have but just lacks that extra bit of spark. I do wish he would stop shying away from challenges though.

Understand what your saying smethwick, but im not sure i totally agree judged on some of the absolute garbage thats directed at individual players from people who seat around me
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WSBaggie on September 30, 2011, 05:28:14 PM
I've had a couple of run ins with Albion 'fans' who have booed our own players blatantly around me at home matches (and I mean blatant booing and abuse not just the odd moan which every fan does obviously). Funnily enough they have no answer to give back to me which shows just how a mindless thing it really is. 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: crisoWBA on September 30, 2011, 07:24:30 PM
EVERYBODIES entitled to opinions, but bare in mind these guys are just human beings, they shouldn't be put on pedastalls and thats why theyre entitled to have a few off days, but booing is down right out of order, Morrison is a great player & if i was him and seen half the rubbish some of you have been letting out i'd be gutted and wanting to leave. The guy is human & i dunno if you saw the Mozza video i made (removed by the fa) but it showed how great he was last season and how important some of his goals were.

Get behind the team, dont bemoan one of our longest serving players. Idiots.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: gerry m on September 30, 2011, 08:01:42 PM
Some people have got an agenda against Morrison plain and simple, a few random boos when his name was read out and when he came on. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

real fans dont boo our players! simple as that!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: crisoWBA on October 01, 2011, 04:04:01 PM
I hope you miserable old moaners appreciate this great player even more now after that goal.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 01, 2011, 04:07:25 PM
He has had a good game so far today.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 01, 2011, 05:07:02 PM
I hope you miserable old moaners appreciate this great player even more now after that goal.

No problem with criticising players if they feel they deserve it as Morrison has of late, problem comes when they are singled out and poor performances from their favourites either ignored or made excuses for.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on October 01, 2011, 05:07:26 PM
He has had a good game so far today.

You cursed him!  ;D

In all fairness he was very good first half (playing football), second half he went missing (playing hoofball). Notice the trend?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie79 on October 01, 2011, 05:08:27 PM
Poor again for me. One goal does not make up for his performances.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: graka on October 01, 2011, 05:09:06 PM
i dont think he had a good game today. i dont dislike him good squad player but doesnt contribute enough offensively or defensively.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 01, 2011, 05:09:44 PM
You cursed him!  ;D

In all fairness he was very good first half (playing football), second half he went missing (playing hoofball). Notice the trend?
I did, he was very quiet second half, as all the midfield was.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on October 01, 2011, 05:15:06 PM
Good in the first half (with or without the goal), was positive and noticeable, but anonymous again in the second.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on October 01, 2011, 06:59:35 PM
I thought he played really well as did Dorrans, I have concerns over Mulumbu not his workrate but the fact he now seems to be winning the ball then giving it straight away
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: AlbionBest on October 01, 2011, 07:19:14 PM
Good to see him get a goal and put in decent performance by the sound of things.
Allied to his bright sub performance last week, maybe he's coming back to form and boo boys will lay off !
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 01, 2011, 09:55:38 PM
He scored and did what else exactly ?

No better, no worse than anyone else, totally average.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie79 on October 02, 2011, 11:23:46 AM
Anyone else notice him stand there and allow the cross for the second goal to come in, not even a leg stuck out, shocking.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Lloydy on October 02, 2011, 11:29:09 AM
He scored but he was still poor for me, did well first half when Sunderland gave him the freedom of the city but second half he was terrible and, much like Brunt, failed to track runners from midfield and looked lazy.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rolfestreet on October 02, 2011, 11:35:00 AM
Didn't his poor pass result in sunderland having possesion going up the other end and pull the goal back?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: richjonawba on October 02, 2011, 11:42:15 AM
Anyone else notice him stand there and allow the cross for the second goal to come in, not even a leg stuck out, shocking.

that was mcauley
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: SuperDorrans on October 02, 2011, 01:15:12 PM
Nobody can really single Morrison out for cristicsm at all, the other midfielders haven't done a thing this season either and at least he scored yesterday. It's just unfair, you don't see people booing Scharner who has been shocking or Brunt and Thomas who are non existent game in, game out.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: texisonfire on October 02, 2011, 01:33:42 PM
Fades out of games too often and brings very little to the table.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 02, 2011, 01:45:06 PM
Fades out of games too often and brings very little to the table.

Can say exactly the same about all of our midfielders this season to be honest especially with the ball flying over their heads far too often.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 03, 2011, 02:32:43 AM
Poor again for me. One goal does not make up for his performances.

was the pick of our midfield at sunderland!
dorrans was woeful couldnt control the ball kept losing possession didnt win his tackles, mulumbu poor by his standards missed scharner, brunt was only in the game for spells.

best game morrison has had for a long time, and yet people are still on his back. Dorrans has been utter dross for the last 3 games and his name is sang from the rooftops.

hodgson is a man of favourites and he obviously likes morrison so we should get used to him playing.

no reason for any booing, criticise on here get behind the team.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on October 03, 2011, 09:14:35 AM
I'm all for constructive criticism of a player but it seems to me alot of Albion fans don't do the constructive bit and just go for the blinkers method, for example....

Odemwingie is above criticism, even when woeful, yet Long scores but still gets his game picked apart.

Mulumbu is above criticism, even when below par, yet Morrisson scores but still gets his game picked apart.

It even goes back to Bednar getting hero worship despite seriously letting the club down and being crap for at least two years now - yet Fortune gets his head down, doesn't moan, gives 100% yet is treated like some sort of joke figure.


Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 03, 2011, 02:27:01 PM
I'm all for constructive criticism of a player but it seems to me alot of Albion fans don't do the constructive bit and just go for the blinkers method, for example....

Odemwingie is above criticism, even when woeful, yet Long scores but still gets his game picked apart.

Mulumbu is above criticism, even when below par, yet Morrisson scores but still gets his game picked apart.

It even goes back to Bednar getting hero worship despite seriously letting the club down and being crap for at least two years now - yet Fortune gets his head down, doesn't moan, gives 100% yet is treated like some sort of joke figure.

totally agree

above criticism: Odemwingie mulumbu Dorrans (all 3 were pretty rubbish at sunderland especially odemwingie and dorrans)

criticised even when playing well: Long, Morrison, Shorey
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 03, 2011, 03:22:05 PM
No player is above criticism and shouldn't be. I don't hide the fact i'm a big Dorrans fan and yeah I am disappointed in him so far but unlike many i'll judge him and a couple of others when we play to suit them. Dorrans and Brunt should not be sitting in front of the back four. Dorrans should be in a more attacking role and Brunt should be out wide, when they are put in roles they can play then we should be judging them but some can't wait to get on here to have a pop at some while others like Odemwingie have excuses made. Mulumbu is doing the work of two men at the moment and struggling with it, until we sort it out then he will be nowhere near the player we are used to.

Morrison should never be wide left as he was Saturday.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 04, 2011, 12:13:11 AM
oldbury with regards to mulumbu doing the work of 2 men either means dorrans didnt play well or we miss scharner in midfield?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 04, 2011, 12:20:46 AM
oldbury with regards to mulumbu doing the work of 2 men either means dorrans didnt play well or we miss scharner in midfield?

Its a combination of both, whether Dorrans/ Brunt/ Morrison is in the middle or not Mulumbu has not been the same player this season. Your dislike of Dorrans is obvious but the failings of our midfield and the lack of any decent performances in there all season are not down to individuals but more down to formation.

Play midfielders to their strengths and then judge performances.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 04, 2011, 12:27:21 AM
i dont dislike dorrans i dislike how hes above critisism!
if hes not playing behind the striker hes not in my team. hes not a winger hes not straight cm for me either.

mulumbu without scharner has failed to make any runs into the box like he was last season.
numerous of us on here keep on about how 4-4-2 isnt working as well as 4-5-1 but its not going to change back to how it was.sadly. if we went and beat wolves and villa and bolton playing 4-4-2 we would soon say its working
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 04, 2011, 12:32:34 AM
He's not above criticism, no-one is but how can you criticise someone for not being played in a position to suit him ? the current midfield stifles a player like Dorrans is that his fault ? Mulumbu is stifled whether its because Scharner is there or not who knows. Scharner is another who has not performed as well this season. Brunt/ Morrison the same, both constantly played out of position and been poor most of the season. The odd pass or through ball doesn't hide the rest of the abject performances from them.

Again Thomas, you've just made a point in another thread that he is a left winger not a left midfielder. Well surely that theory which I agree with also applies to others like Dorrans who is not a defensive type midfielder but is being asked to play that role.

Saturday when the ball was on the floor for the first 20 minutes or so Dorrans ran the midfield with Brunt and Morrison supporting him well, then we started hoofing and it all went tits up and the midfielders might as well have come off the pitch.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: timdon on October 04, 2011, 02:02:27 PM
Perfect analysis Oldbury. Agree 100%
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 04, 2011, 02:26:29 PM
i agree to an extent but dorrans played that postion all the championship season so he can play there just isnt good enough to play it at this level!

im yet to think any of our midfielders have been overly good or on top form the change of system has stifled our creativity.

brunt and morrison have had the odd games where they have played well.
mulumbu has been alright but not to the high standard we saw last year
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on October 04, 2011, 03:49:59 PM
i dont dislike dorrans i dislike how hes above critisism!
if hes not playing behind the striker hes not in my team. hes not a winger hes not straight cm for me either.

mulumbu without scharner has failed to make any runs into the box like he was last season.
numerous of us on here keep on about how 4-4-2 isnt working as well as 4-5-1 but its not going to change back to how it was.sadly. if we went and beat wolves and villa and bolton playing 4-4-2 we would soon say its working

451 would have got us relegated if Roy hadn,t come in and stuck a sticking plaster over it. Roy knows what hes trying to achieve with a different formation but formation is not really the issue for me. Its all about players adapting their style and  performing the task the've been given by the coach whatever that might be. At the moment they are not quite doing that the way he wants but we've a very good squad and a very good coach so I think its just a matter of time before they find the solution. Then I think we might prove a real handful for a fair few teams.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 04, 2011, 05:50:24 PM
i agree to an extent but dorrans played that postion all the championship season so he can play there just isnt good enough to play it at this level!

In fairness, there's a massive gulf in class between the championship and Premier League. In the championship you can afford a player or two out of position as our quality is too good for the other teams. In the Premier League, when teams have more quality than us, players in the wrong positions stands out more. To get the best from them, they need to be played correctly in a formation which will suit them.

Dorrans was often the midfielder who was supporting Roman Bednar during our Championship season as well. Our rotation around the midfield as well as their quality was another factor in us being very strong in the middle that season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on October 04, 2011, 06:18:25 PM
Think Dorrans is still getting there fitness wise.
I hope we don't revert to Mulumbu + Scharner in a 4-4-2 - just not enough creativity with that combo, especially as fullbacks don't push forward and link up play (Shorey better at that than Reid).
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on October 04, 2011, 06:45:25 PM
451 would have got us relegated if Roy hadn,t come in and stuck a sticking plaster over it. Roy knows what hes trying to achieve with a different formation but formation is not really the issue for me. Its all about players adapting their style and  performing the task the've been given by the coach whatever that might be. At the moment they are not quite doing that the way he wants but we've a very good squad and a very good coach so I think its just a matter of time before they find the solution. Then I think we might prove a real handful for a fair few teams.

I know we have a squad capable of causing problems for a fair few teams in this division. That is why it is so frustrating to see the crap football we are serving up atm.

Then again, having seen Roy Hodgson teams since the 1970s in Sweden onwards, I am not holding my breath for a huge improvement. Roy peaked with Fulham and the best we can hope for is that he manages us to gel into a Fulham like unit, but the early signs are not positive at all. The strength of our squad is not typical RH football to say the least.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on October 04, 2011, 08:31:44 PM
I understand your point Gr but I do think that to step up and become an established PL club you have to concede some of your footballing principles and concentrate on the basics which arn't always pretty. I think this is why the club went for RH because they believe he is well suited to do this. Since he arrived the one thing that stands out is how much harder we generally are to break down. Over time I think its this principle which will likely see us stick around. If we do for for 2/3 seasons thats 120 to 150 million minimum in the bank ands its that sort of cash which will provide the platform for further progression. It all revolves around cash at the end of the day whether we like it or not.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: saml30 on October 08, 2011, 04:43:48 PM
just wondering who people would rather be playing at this moment in time, both are not playing very well and thomas has been told(im guessing) not to take anyone on ever again, so...

Thomas or Morrison?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 08, 2011, 06:57:38 PM
morrison! last few games he has looked half decent thomas has been woeful so far!
morrison atleast has a shot in the locker and seems to pop up for a few headers not sure thomas has either and doesnt offer as much defensively (not saying morrison is mr defensive but he does track back)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 08, 2011, 07:05:23 PM
If you play Morrison on the left and Brunt on the right you end up with an extremely narrow midfield and no out ball for the full-backs. Thomas doesn't track back well enough and has stopped going forward, its not a great option either way at the moment.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: bigbadjohn on October 08, 2011, 07:51:19 PM
Morrison plays class for Scotland ! Looks quality until
He puts on a Albion shirt !
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on October 08, 2011, 08:23:24 PM
Morrison plays class for Scotland ! Looks quality until
He puts on a Albion shirt !

Sorry to disagree, but I don't see the big difference. Really, he plays a smaller role with Scotland with Barry Bannan, Charlie Adam, Darren Fletcher, and Steven Naismith all in midfield.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on October 08, 2011, 08:29:35 PM
If you play Morrison on the left and Brunt on the right you end up with an extremely narrow midfield and no out ball for the full-backs. Thomas doesn't track back well enough and has stopped going forward, its not a great option either way at the moment.
I see the point about width but at least with the midfield we had at Sunderland we can get some passing movements going. In the previous 4-4-2 with Scharner and Thomas involved in the midfield 4 there just weren't enough passers in the team. Leaving 2 of Dorrans Brunt, Morrison on bench certainly didn't help in dire displays against Stoke, Swansea, Fulham.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jack Russell on October 08, 2011, 11:16:51 PM
Morrison plays class for Scotland ! Looks quality until
He puts on a Albion shirt !


Thomas anyday, Morrison plays well against Second rate internationally

Morrison Jimmy Krankie will never make this level
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 09, 2011, 01:17:09 AM
If you play Morrison on the left and Brunt on the right you end up with an extremely narrow midfield and no out ball for the full-backs. Thomas doesn't track back well enough and has stopped going forward, its not a great option either way at the moment.

you end up with a narrow midfield if you play people on the opposite wings fullstop! the only reason we had width last year was because the extra man in the middle allowed thomas to hug the tocuhline
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 09, 2011, 09:26:42 AM
Some very disrespectful comments on this thead, it was'nt long since Morrison was seen as one of the most vital squad members.
He is regularly picked by his club and national team managers ahead of others, scores a few goals, defensively sound, give the guy a break and stop creating another Carson out thread.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 09, 2011, 09:58:13 AM
I see the point about width but at least with the midfield we had at Sunderland we can get some passing movements going. In the previous 4-4-2 with Scharner and Thomas involved in the midfield 4 there just weren't enough passers in the team. Leaving 2 of Dorrans Brunt, Morrison on bench certainly didn't help in dire displays against Stoke, Swansea, Fulham.

I was pretty happy when I saw the midfield that was picked for our last game but that was when I assumed we would go with Morrison on the right and Brunt on the left, that would have been the most balanced midfield used this season in my opinion but for some reason we decided to go with them on the opposite wings.

I do like Morrison on the right, I think its his best position for us. He's one of those steady types that usually does all the simple things well that appears to go unnoticed but can deliver quality at times, if he was a little stronger and produced an end product more often he would be playing elsewhere I reckon.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: crisoWBA on October 09, 2011, 12:04:10 PM
Some very disrespectful comments on this thead, it was'nt long since Morrison was seen as one of the most vital squad members.
He is regularly picked by his club and national team managers ahead of others, scores a few goals, defensively sound, give the guy a break and stop creating another Carson out thread.
Amen. I wish this thread was deleted already. I'm up for people having opinions, but name the thread 'James Morrison'  not 'James Morrison... seriously?'.. It's just downright disrespectful & he is so loyal to our team & 95% of the time plays well. It actually really annoys me the way some people act like these guys are like super humans and because they're on mega wages that they aren't allowed to do a thing wrong. Doubt if you haters seen him in the street you'd go and tell him that he's 'out of form', you'd say 'great goal against birmingham'...
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 09, 2011, 01:27:05 PM
Amen. I wish this thread was deleted already. I'm up for people having opinions, but name the thread 'James Morrison'  not 'James Morrison... seriously?'.. It's just downright disrespectful & he is so loyal to our team & 95% of the time plays well. It actually really annoys me the way some people act like these guys are like super humans and because they're on mega wages that they aren't allowed to do a thing wrong. Doubt if you haters seen him in the street you'd go and tell him that he's 'out of form', you'd say 'great goal against birmingham'...

It won't be deleted so if you don't like the thread then why post in it ?

As we keep saying this forum is for ALL Albion fans, positive, negative and ones in the middle and will remain that way. So instead of people saying things like this thread should be deleted, this thread is pathetic etc how about giving reasonable and proper responses and keep the pathetic comment type stuff for Facebook and other inferior sites.

I suggest a few people read and take note of this link

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=4083.msg82615#msg82615
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie79 on October 09, 2011, 04:29:13 PM
Amen. I wish this thread was deleted already. I'm up for people having opinions, but name the thread 'James Morrison'  not 'James Morrison... seriously?'.. It's just downright disrespectful & he is so loyal to our team & 95% of the time plays well. It actually really annoys me the way some people act like these guys are like super humans and because they're on mega wages that they aren't allowed to do a thing wrong. Doubt if you haters seen him in the street you'd go and tell him that he's 'out of form', you'd say 'great goal against birmingham'...

If you look at the date that I started this topic you will notice it was right at the start of the season so it was not just a jumping on the bandwagon topic that it seems to be now and is just my own feeling but seriously do you think he plays well 95% of the time? Even he would not believe that to be true.

He is not a bad player but my point was that he is not a starting Prem player quality and he was a squad player at best. All about opinions I suppose!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WSBaggie on October 09, 2011, 04:33:32 PM
Amen. I wish this thread was deleted already. I'm up for people having opinions, but name the thread 'James Morrison'  not 'James Morrison... seriously?'.. It's just downright disrespectful & he is so loyal to our team & 95% of the time plays well. It actually really annoys me the way some people act like these guys are like super humans and because they're on mega wages that they aren't allowed to do a thing wrong. Doubt if you haters seen him in the street you'd go and tell him that he's 'out of form', you'd say 'great goal against birmingham'...

I agree the title is unfair in my opinion. Mozza's a good squad player and gives his all when he plays for us what more can we ask for?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: richjonawba on November 12, 2011, 05:06:39 PM
I have never been his greatest fan because to me far too often games pass him by without him offering much to the side, however over the last few games in the time he has had on the pitch he has looked about our best midfielder and to me he is certainly more deserving of a start than chris brunt who has been well below par for weeks.

I think he should replace Brunt in the side for the Bolton game.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 12, 2011, 05:32:43 PM
I am not the biggest fan of either but yes i would give Morrison a start over Brunt against Bolton
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 12, 2011, 07:29:57 PM
He derserves a start, and I think he should replace Brunt who hasnt got into form yet.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: crisoWBA on November 12, 2011, 07:37:47 PM
Amen, Brunt has been below par for a while for me. Never looks too bothered. Morrison is a great player, he was great for Scotland the other night too, really great passer of the ball and scores the odd goal too.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: 17GD on November 12, 2011, 09:50:20 PM
I would defo drop Brunt, but I'm not sure Mozza is our best midfielder. Mulumbu has been running himself into the ground yet for some reason has been subbed in a few games. He's a quality player.

Personally I feel that Mozza has been ineffective in the games he's taken part in, bar the header at Sunderland.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on November 12, 2011, 10:06:23 PM
He always seems to do one or two good things a game e.g. cracking half volley ball to Odemwingie against Wolves which could have put us 3-1. Also put Tchoyi in during second half v Arsenal. He's never going to run a game but worthy of place in side / bench.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: graka on November 12, 2011, 10:16:54 PM
not for me. never does enough to change a game. neat and tidy,good sub but thats it for me.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on November 12, 2011, 10:29:56 PM
Current midfield 4 for me would be Morrison, Thorne, Mulmbu, Brunt
(I rate Dorrans but something's not right - he's not fit enough so go with Thorne to create instead)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: crisoWBA on November 13, 2011, 12:21:41 AM
 I disagree with that last comment, as we have Paul Scharner who is very effective, i like Thorne but not enough just yet. Morrison should be on the right where Brunt usually is, as Brunt don't cut it, and itll kick him into shape, dropping him.

 Or have Tchoyi on the wing, he was so effective on the wings last season when he played, he took on the full backs which is what we seem to be lacking right now. Everton, perfect example.

 I would personally always have Scharner and Mulumbu in the centre when their both fit. They might not be so 'attacking' but they do score goals. We just need the wingers / wide midfielders to take on the full backs, this is when Gera will come into play ;)

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on November 13, 2011, 12:16:35 PM
We'll have to differ on this - Mulumbu Scharner combo nowhere near creative enough in my reckoning.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: KingKoren on November 13, 2011, 04:00:51 PM
I think he really shines when the team is struggling funny enough, when we are doing well I don't think he contrinutes as much. I wouldn't hesitate playing him against Bolton.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: crisoWBA on November 13, 2011, 05:25:28 PM
I know this is only a tiny glimpse of what he can do, but this was pretty awesome.

Check it at 7 . 32

http://vimeo.com/31484349 (http://vimeo.com/31484349)

Good player :)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 13, 2011, 06:09:04 PM
Or have Tchoyi on the wing, he was so effective on the wings last season when he played, he took on the full backs which is what we seem to be lacking right now. Everton, perfect example.

Somen Tchoyi isn't good enough defensively to play on the wing. This is why, Brunt, Thomas, Morrison and Gera are all ahead of him for those wing positions. We've already noticed this season that the work rate of our wingers has improved massively, I don't think Tchoyi has the work rate or defensive ability to feature on the wing.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: jonasyoulegend on November 13, 2011, 06:42:02 PM
personally i don't think playing the weakest (physically) player in the whole prem against a big tough Bolton side is a good ides
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Wbamitch on November 13, 2011, 06:50:20 PM
Morrison did well when he came on against Liverpool and you could say was our best player against Arsenal, I would also like to see him start in place of Brunt for the Bolton game.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on November 13, 2011, 07:20:12 PM
I do really like Morrison and he deserves a run in the side my concern though is hes just like Brunt as he has little pace
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 13, 2011, 07:32:58 PM
I like Mozza but he doesn't impose himself on a game anywhere near enough especially if playing in his preferred central midfield role. For me I would like to see Gera return to the right over Morrison and Brunt can fight it out with Thomas for a place down the left.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBA Brad WBA on November 13, 2011, 08:12:37 PM
Whenever we drop Brunt we never seem to have any leadership upfront and dropping him for a big game such as Bolton could prove costly, I personally would like to see Mozza come on for a sub a lot earlier (60-70 min) for Thomas.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 13, 2011, 08:22:06 PM
I'd agree with Brad. I think we often as fans under rate Chris Brunt. It's only when he's not there where we actually realise how important he was too us. Stoke at home and Wolves away were prime examples of where we missed his calmness on the ball and his general ability. Losing him out the team means we also lose our best set piece taker. If we're being honest, the closest we've looked to scoring lately is from a set piece.

James Morrison has performed well lately but can he have the effect we all want him to? I don't think he can.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on November 14, 2011, 12:48:01 AM
Olsson is the only one out of last seasons spine that seems comfortable with the current system. Mulumbu is fast losing form ("not following instructions" apparently), Brunt is equally frustrated and PO completely missing in action. Next step is to start replacing them with "better" players...
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: brummyroader on November 14, 2011, 08:49:06 AM
I would love to see Morrison start in the middle, don't think he is the same player on the wing.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: lewisant on November 14, 2011, 10:31:16 AM
everybody couldnt wait for him to be dropped a few weeks ago! He's looked good coming off the bench no doubt so maybe we should keep it that way
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 14, 2011, 06:24:45 PM
We'll have to differ on this - Mulumbu Scharner combo nowhere near creative enough in my reckoning.
Was this not the same combination that destroyed Sunderland last season away ?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on November 14, 2011, 07:24:07 PM
Was this not the same combination that destroyed Sunderland last season away ?
There's always exceptions - we were playing 4-5-1 then with Odemwingie flying at the time. Could say they did well against Wolves and maybe Villa but it was also the combination in lifeless displays against Stoke, Fulham, Norwich (even though we won), Swansea + Liverpool. Just my opinion that we need a more creative player in there and hope we are not afraid to play Thorne.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 14, 2011, 08:20:20 PM
There's always exceptions - we were playing 4-5-1 then with Odemwingie flying at the time. Could say they did well against Wolves and maybe Villa but it was also the combination in lifeless displays against Stoke, Fulham, Norwich (even though we won), Swansea + Liverpool. Just my opinion that we need a more creative player in there and hope we are not afraid to play Thorne.
I think your both right 442 = mulumbu OR Scharner + a creator         451 Mulumbu AND Scharner + a creator
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 14, 2011, 10:20:19 PM
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 18, 2011, 05:16:20 PM
morrison does deserve a game he played well against sunderland then was dropped unceremously and didnt feature until arsenal away with the worlds craziest line up ever which wasnt fair.

in regards to dropping brunt hes the only person in our midfield who can keep the ball hes an outlet hes abit like greening he rarely loses the ball and is always open for a pass. when he doesnt play we miss him.

thomas should get dropped if anyone. id like to see gera on one wing brunt on the other morrison and mulumbu for bolton game! thcoyi and cox up top
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: jonny on November 19, 2011, 06:33:56 PM
Excellent today and worthy of his place in the team!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MICKYMEL on November 19, 2011, 07:58:16 PM
Not quite sure he was excelent today, 6/10 for me
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: mulliganstired on November 19, 2011, 08:02:43 PM
Looked good enough on the streams, busy and involved thoughout - terrible moustache though, must be for charity!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mulumbu99 on November 19, 2011, 08:03:44 PM
gives the ball away an awful lot. steady player, would be on the bench for me.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GAZZER on November 19, 2011, 08:19:12 PM
Got better as the game went on, gave it away an awful lot though.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kris_boing on November 19, 2011, 08:20:31 PM
I thought he gave the ball away a fair bit first half and a couple of times early in the second but as the game wore on he looked more impressive.  Overall I thought he did well today.

I can see why Hodgson prefers him to Dorrans.  Hes a bit more 'safe', better at tracking back and the defensive side of his game while Dorrans is a little more 'hollywood'.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on November 19, 2011, 08:51:33 PM
Got better as the game went on, gave it away an awful lot though.

If I had gotten in first I would have posted the same comment
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Pistol Pete on November 20, 2011, 01:32:31 PM
He was average and that's what I expect every game he plays in for better or worse.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on November 20, 2011, 01:37:01 PM
Worked hard and broke up play well but im surprised by that stats as I felt he gave possession away a lot in the game. Maybe he makes a lot of short passes?

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on November 20, 2011, 01:47:10 PM
I had the same feeling about yesterdays performance from Morrison I felt he didnt retain the ball aswell as we know he can.

However with Scharner out he is the safer option in the middle of the park
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 20, 2011, 02:52:40 PM
I thought he got better through the game, as has already been said, good but not spectacular.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on November 20, 2011, 09:37:23 PM
I think he did pretty well. With Gera making it more of a 4-5-1, think someone playing the simple ball alongside Mulumbu is ideal, plus he can pick out the odd telling pass. Personal opinion but I'm against Mulumbu and Scharner playing alongside each other whether 4-5-1 or especially 4-4-2, we become less of a passing team.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 24, 2011, 10:52:03 AM
Looks like Roy is happy to see Morrison in the centre as he plays there for Scotland as well, big difference though, for Scotland he is one of a central three and usually plays on the right of that three.

http://www.wba.co.uk/page/News/0,,10366~2525816,00.html

ROY Hodgson insists James Morrison is 'central' to his plans - thanks to the extra dimension he has added to the defensive side of his game.

The Scotland international lined up in the middle of the park for the second match running against Bolton on Saturday - a position the head coach says is 'Mozza's' strongest.

The former Middlesbrough ace has often operated in wide positions, or just behind the striker, during Hodgson's 24 league games in charge and the Baggies boss is grateful for his versatility.

But he has now challenged Morrison to cement his position in central midfield - especially with engine-room regular Paul Scharner close to fitness.

"Morrison's best position is in the middle," said Hodgson.

"He's not a wide player but, like a lot of central midfield players, he is mobile and technically gifted, so he can also play wide.

"But I've no doubt that if you ask him or, say, Graham Dorrans where they prefer to play, they would say in the centre because that's where they've grown up playing.

"Luckily for their team and head coach, they have both learned to play in other positions, which gives them an extra string to their bow.

"It gives them a bit more of a chance of getting into the team every week.

"If you've only got one position - and that is it - then you better make sure you play fantastically well all the time because when you lose that position, there is nowhere else for you to go.

"Whereas when it comes to Morrison and Dorrans, every week I can always debate 'should I be playing them' because I can always play them in the wide areas as well as the central areas.

"It's an extra advantage for them.

"Having said that, Morrison plays in the centre for Scotland and I've been happy for him.

"He's a hard worker and has worked very hard on the defensive side of his game.

"I've been quite impressed that, for a technically-gifted player with a reputation as a ball player, passer and goalscorer, he has worked very hard on the defensive side of his game to become an all-rounder."

Morrison has started seven of Albion's opening 12 league games of the season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 24, 2011, 12:32:50 PM
I do recall him making two successful tackles against Bolton. He's no Mulumbu or anything, but at least he's contributing something defensively.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie79 on November 24, 2011, 01:13:58 PM
Maybe I just need to hold my hands up on this one and say maybe i'm wrong because I still just dont see it with Mozza, he just seems totally average and lightweight yet has been played by the last few managers!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 24, 2011, 04:06:03 PM
Maybe I just need to hold my hands up on this one and say maybe i'm wrong because I still just dont see it with Mozza, he just seems totally average and lightweight yet has been played by the last few managers!

Not just you mate. I don't see it. I read a Scottish national team forum and its the same comments on there, some are for him, more against though to be saying he has been poor for the past 12 months for them.

For me he's a neat tidy player but not the answer in the centre.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 24, 2011, 04:28:30 PM
Not just you mate. I don't see it. I read a Scottish national team forum and its the same comments on there, some are for him, more against though to be saying he has been poor for the past 12 months for them.

If that's the Tartan Army Message Board, I concur. And I wouldn't attach any significance to Craig Levein's opinion. Roy Hodgson knows vastly more about managing football than Levein.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 24, 2011, 04:33:02 PM
If that's the Tartan Army Message Board, I concur. And I wouldn't attach any significance to Craig Levein's opinion. Roy Hodgson knows vastly more about managing football than Levein.

I wouldn't argue with that at all, however my point was more to do with the fact they are just as split over him as we are. In the Scots side though he's not based as centrally as he is for us so has a bit more freedom with the 3 in the middle and a lot less pressure.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 24, 2011, 04:39:51 PM
I wouldn't argue with that at all, however my point was more to do with the fact they are just as split over him as we are. In the Scots side though he's not based as centrally as he is for us so has a bit more freedom with the 3 in the middle and a lot less pressure.

I know, I was making that point for the people who keep saying that Levein's preference for Mozza over Dozza is somehow significant.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 24, 2011, 05:10:16 PM
Whenever I think of Mozza in the centre of midfield I always have Wolves away suddenly appear into my head.
 :(
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mulumbu99 on November 26, 2011, 06:38:05 PM
quality performance. keep it up jimmy.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: CL3MO on November 26, 2011, 06:40:37 PM
Been a big critic of him at the start of the season but last two home games he has been very good.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 26, 2011, 06:41:50 PM
Been critical of him before, been times when I just don't think he offers enough to the team but credit where it is due he was fantastic today.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 26, 2011, 06:42:05 PM
Given him some stick in the past, but today was one of his best performances long may it continue.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on November 26, 2011, 06:42:53 PM
Today was proberbly his best performance in the four years hes been with us.

He looked every bit the Premier League central midfielder, perhaps hes actually worked on his game rather than sulking like others seem intent on doing
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wba1993dave on November 26, 2011, 06:43:09 PM
Did some Messi like runs today :D  much better i hope he keeps it up.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 26, 2011, 06:50:35 PM
Back at the start of the season, some folks insisted Mozza was just doing what Roy wanted (i.e. just staying in position and keeping the ball moving). Today he was unrecognizable. So has Roy taken the leash off?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rolfestreet on November 26, 2011, 06:52:56 PM
This is why i have slagged him off in the past, because today he showed us the player he can and should be, he was class. His attitude seems to have changed he seemed more willing to take responsibility and get stuck in as in the past i have felt he bottled to many challenges. Pleased for the lad lets hope his current form continues.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 26, 2011, 07:00:46 PM
Big critic of Morrison but today he was excellent and fully .deserved to be named Man of the Match, hope it continues. He's always been a neat and tidy player but today offered a lot more.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Barrington on November 26, 2011, 07:06:24 PM
Morrison was excellent today. Take a bow James.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie79 on November 26, 2011, 07:11:23 PM
He was very good today, still hasnt changed my views on him but that is for another day. Well done Mozza on a very good performance.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: hardtobeat on November 26, 2011, 07:17:20 PM
In fairness to Jimmy he has been our most consistent performer since coming on as sub against liverpuddle also he is now playing in the position he has always said he wanted to. A real triumph for perseverance :)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kris_boing on November 26, 2011, 07:21:37 PM
I thought he was outstanding today.  Fantastic all-round midfield performance.

Keep performing like that and that midfield position is his for keeps.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dexy on November 26, 2011, 07:26:09 PM
Whether he can keep it up i dont know but with Mulumbu next to him it certainly brings us a lot of mobility.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on November 26, 2011, 07:28:30 PM
Was excellent today, the defensive side to his game has definitely improved.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: albion59 on November 26, 2011, 08:16:15 PM
i have been a critic in the past but the last two games he as played really well.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on November 26, 2011, 08:20:18 PM
Played like he id in the year he got his foot injury. Hard to argue that might just have been his best performance for us. His confidence seemed to go through the roof as the game went on and he seemed to believe he could go past anyone. His creativity for both of the Cox and Brunt chances deserved a goal for his work alone so it is a shame he didnt get the reward he deserved. Easily our best player today.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggieheart on November 26, 2011, 08:27:08 PM
Great game Jim.

Please that sponsors and fans in the crowd recognised it as well.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TLMS17 on November 26, 2011, 08:39:03 PM
Have given Morrison stick the last couple of season's but today credit where credit is due, had an excellent game and hope to see more performances like today's. Nice to see other people who have slagged him off as well saying well done to him today
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on November 26, 2011, 09:00:21 PM
He looks like he's getting back to being that player we had last time in the Premiership.
As they say form is temporary quality is permanent.
Keep it up Jimbo
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 26, 2011, 09:02:19 PM
I've given Morrison some stick in the past, but I always hoped he would get better...today he was top class, and if he can keep that up he'll be a first choice for a while yet.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TLMS17 on November 26, 2011, 09:09:38 PM
Just watching game of the day and it's our game on, maybe mozza's great performance was thanks to his tosh he must be growing for movember  ;D
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: richjonawba on November 26, 2011, 09:36:12 PM
superb today, would be nice if he can maintain that performance level
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: saml30 on November 26, 2011, 09:51:41 PM
him and mulumbu both brilliant today, seemed to have a good understanding, one going whilst the other sat back, but very deserving of his MOTM
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: graka on November 27, 2011, 12:41:48 AM
had a very good game. showed what he should be doing more often
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 27, 2011, 09:53:47 AM
I have been one of his biggest critics that for sure, he played well lets hope it continues.
Time for Brunt to have a rest now
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: AlbionBest on November 27, 2011, 10:14:19 AM
Considering the quality of the opposition, I think yesterday was probably Morrison's best game in an Albion shirt - looked a threat going forward and put in plenty of challenges to block the Spurs midfield.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: AshD on November 27, 2011, 12:03:30 PM
The balance of the midfield looks ten times better with him in the team. He gets stuck in but also gets forward.

Fantastic display from him yesterday, hopefully he will kick on from this!!!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WSBaggie on November 28, 2011, 01:52:24 PM
I've defended Morrison alot on here and it was good to see such a great performance from him against Spurs showing everyone what he can do.

Now he just has to do it consistently.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on November 28, 2011, 10:01:37 PM
The balance of the midfield looks ten times better with him in the team. He gets stuck in but also gets forward.

Fantastic display from him yesterday, hopefully he will kick on from this!!!
AND in that position he plays the simple pass when that's the obvious thing to do which just helps the fluency of the team
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mister AT on November 29, 2011, 12:22:56 PM
Cracking performance from him on Saturday, hope he keeps it up and has showed the doubters he does have talent.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 29, 2011, 01:54:04 PM
Yes he's shown he has talent, but 1 swallow doesnt make a summer. It was a fantastic performance from him on saturday I agree....BUT, he needs to show that level consistently, then we'll be saying he should be first name on the teamsheet but until then.................... I think he said that in his after-match interview about showing consistency, or at least he alluded to it.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on November 30, 2011, 07:59:49 PM
Well that's 2 good games on the spin in that position - thought he played well against Bolton without the eye catching runs he made on Saturday.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on December 04, 2011, 10:15:42 AM
Superb again today!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: richjonawba on December 04, 2011, 12:02:28 PM
He has a good nack of slowing and then accelerating past players, which has worked well the last couple of games and is causing problems when he gets forward. Ive been impressed with him last few games, hope he keeps it up.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Wbamitch on December 04, 2011, 12:05:00 PM
Man of the match for the second week running  for me, excellent performance, was at the centre of our creativity today with his bursting runs and a great ball through to pete for the goal.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Nocky on December 04, 2011, 01:10:34 PM
Quality again yesterday. His acceleration and bursts from deep are causing teams all sorts of problems. I have to admit, I've never really seen him as a central midfielder but he's really starting to establish himself in that position.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dexy on December 04, 2011, 02:14:41 PM
Played well again,only down point was playing Shorey into trouble for their goal and again second half playing Shorey into danger but this time we got away with it.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WSBaggie on December 04, 2011, 05:54:06 PM
Superb yet again from Morrison, like I said last week he just needs to show consistency week in week out to prove he can do it.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 04, 2011, 06:50:15 PM
he is playing great and working so hard for the team. one of my favourite players of this season. if he keeps this up i can see him getting player of the season for us.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: AlbionBest on December 04, 2011, 07:35:47 PM
Another excellence performance from Mozza yesterday - he was the real driving force from the middle of the park and seems to have hit the rich form similar to the last season in the Prem under Mowbray where he was our best player arguably.

Long may it continue - we just need Brunty to follow suit now !
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wba1993dave on December 04, 2011, 09:18:34 PM
He has been superb, probably one of the first names on the team sheet at the moment. Its hard to believe he is 25 and has already played 118 games for us :o Hope he keeps it up
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rajesh-wba on December 04, 2011, 09:32:58 PM
He was a real driving force at times. Has been very good the last two matches in central midfield. His ability to run with the ball is excellent at times. Important he maintains the high level of performance he has achieved against Tottenham and Bolton.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wbarich on December 05, 2011, 02:30:45 PM
I hope you all feel very stupid now! I could not believe the amount of stick he was getting on here by most people. People have short memories, he was our best player in the prem under Mowbray when played wide right, he would get the ball and run at his full back and more often than not beat them. He has always been a very good player to have in the squad, whether it be to start or as an option on the bench.

Yes he had a few games where he wasn't playing very well (which every player has) and this came when the team on a whole werent playing very well. However since coming on against Liverpool in the second half he looks back to his old self. He was our best player in that game and only played for about 20-30 mins!

The last 3 games hes been brilliant, especially Spurs last week he was getting stuck in winning the ball back, running and beating players, getting the ball in the box and looking dangerous.

And to the people who used to post saying hes the new greening who can only pass sidewards or backwards, it didn't look like that to me on our goal Saturday!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 05, 2011, 02:35:27 PM
I think he has played really well in the last few games, made some great runs against Spurs.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Greenock Baggie on December 05, 2011, 02:54:44 PM
Needs to show this level of perfomance consistantly though, not just 3 games. I am glad he is showing us finally what he's capable of. Fair play to him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on December 05, 2011, 02:55:27 PM
Ahhhhhhhhh!
how wonderful is the gift of hindsight?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 05, 2011, 03:00:21 PM
Here we go.I wondered how long this one would take.Morrison 5 games ago wasn't worth his place but i will give credit to both Roy and James, Roy for persisting and James for getting his head down.I say it was the kick upon his bottom he needed
Lets hope the same happens to Brunt now
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 05, 2011, 03:13:14 PM
I hope you all feel very stupid now! I could not believe the amount of stick he was getting on here by most people. People have short memories, he was our best player in the prem under Mowbray when played wide right, he would get the ball and run at his full back and more often than not beat them. He has always been a very good player to have in the squad, whether it be to start or as an option on the bench.

Yes he had a few games where he wasn't playing very well (which every player has) and this came when the team on a whole werent playing very well. However since coming on against Liverpool in the second half he looks back to his old self. He was our best player in that game and only played for about 20-30 mins!

The last 3 games hes been brilliant, especially Spurs last week he was getting stuck in winning the ball back, running and beating players, getting the ball in the box and looking dangerous.

And to the people who used to post saying hes the new greening who can only pass sidewards or backwards, it didn't look like that to me on our goal Saturday!

Its a site for differing opinions, perhaps you should learn to understand that before calling people stupid.

Fact is Morrison was poor for much of this season and has now started showing he is worthy of a place, long may it continue but thats football and players form goes up and down all the while.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WSBaggie on December 05, 2011, 03:22:27 PM
I hope you all feel very stupid now! I could not believe the amount of stick he was getting on here by most people. People have short memories, he was our best player in the prem under Mowbray when played wide right, he would get the ball and run at his full back and more often than not beat them. He has always been a very good player to have in the squad, whether it be to start or as an option on the bench.

Yes he had a few games where he wasn't playing very well (which every player has) and this came when the team on a whole werent playing very well. However since coming on against Liverpool in the second half he looks back to his old self. He was our best player in that game and only played for about 20-30 mins!

The last 3 games hes been brilliant, especially Spurs last week he was getting stuck in winning the ball back, running and beating players, getting the ball in the box and looking dangerous.

And to the people who used to post saying hes the new greening who can only pass sidewards or backwards, it didn't look like that to me on our goal Saturday!

Well said mate I too think the stick he was getting was undeserved. Don't get me wrong he was playing badly and deserved to be questioned like any player playing poorly should but the abuse I heard at games and some of what were in my opinion 'silly' posts on here were taking it too far.

Let's just hope he can show it consistently now.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie79 on December 05, 2011, 04:51:28 PM
I hope you all feel very stupid now! I could not believe the amount of stick he was getting on here by most people. People have short memories, he was our best player in the prem under Mowbray when played wide right, he would get the ball and run at his full back and more often than not beat them. He has always been a very good player to have in the squad, whether it be to start or as an option on the bench.

Yes he had a few games where he wasn't playing very well (which every player has) and this came when the team on a whole werent playing very well. However since coming on against Liverpool in the second half he looks back to his old self. He was our best player in that game and only played for about 20-30 mins!

The last 3 games hes been brilliant, especially Spurs last week he was getting stuck in winning the ball back, running and beating players, getting the ball in the box and looking dangerous.

And to the people who used to post saying hes the new greening who can only pass sidewards or backwards, it didn't look like that to me on our goal Saturday!

As well as the two decent games he has had a lot of poor games, I am not fickle enough to change my opinion based on two decent games. I would suggest baseing an opinion on two games instead of his career on the whole is a tad dare I say stupid.

I stand by the fact I dont think he will ever be good enough to consistanly excel in the Prem, if I am wrong then I could not be happier to be wrong. Lets just base things on more than two games shall we.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BobTaylor on December 05, 2011, 04:52:46 PM
 ;D Goes from one extreme to the other this board has me in bits.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: reiss on December 05, 2011, 05:16:01 PM

  He was playing rubbish in my opinion so i can critisise him but i never slaged him off. but he has now discovered form so fairplay to the lad
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 05, 2011, 05:17:38 PM
I don't recall anybody who slagged him off, more so just questioning why he's in the team as for large parts of this season he's been quite ineffective. The last three games or so have seen a massive improvement, both offensively and defensively. It's important that he keeps this run of form going otherwise Paul Scharner will be more than happy to take his place.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on December 05, 2011, 05:25:26 PM
He wasnt adding anything at the start of the season. By all accounts he has been our best player over the last three games but that does not prove everybody wrong or make them look stupid.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: crisoWBA on December 05, 2011, 05:27:28 PM
I hope you all feel very stupid now! I could not believe the amount of stick he was getting on here by most people. People have short memories, he was our best player in the prem under Mowbray when played wide right, he would get the ball and run at his full back and more often than not beat them. He has always been a very good player to have in the squad, whether it be to start or as an option on the bench.

Yes he had a few games where he wasn't playing very well (which every player has) and this came when the team on a whole werent playing very well. However since coming on against Liverpool in the second half he looks back to his old self. He was our best player in that game and only played for about 20-30 mins!

The last 3 games hes been brilliant, especially Spurs last week he was getting stuck in winning the ball back, running and beating players, getting the ball in the box and looking dangerous.

And to the people who used to post saying hes the new greening who can only pass sidewards or backwards, it didn't look like that to me on our goal Saturday!

AMEN. Jimmy Mozza = Legend
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: liam-zuiverloon on December 05, 2011, 05:33:48 PM
I hope you all feel very stupid now! I could not believe the amount of stick he was getting on here by most people. People have short memories, he was our best player in the prem under Mowbray when played wide right, he would get the ball and run at his full back and more often than not beat them. He has always been a very good player to have in the squad, whether it be to start or as an option on the bench.

Yes he had a few games where he wasn't playing very well (which every player has) and this came when the team on a whole werent playing very well. However since coming on against Liverpool in the second half he looks back to his old self. He was our best player in that game and only played for about 20-30 mins!

The last 3 games hes been brilliant, especially Spurs last week he was getting stuck in winning the ball back, running and beating players, getting the ball in the box and looking dangerous.

And to the people who used to post saying hes the new greening who can only pass sidewards or backwards, it didn't look like that to me on our goal Saturday!

Mate i dont think Morrison has ever had a bad reputation with our fans or us guys on here like your suggesting, players will have good games and bad games and will be criticized when not performing then praised when they find form... Yes Morrison has had a few good games thats great but im afraid to say setting up a goal and few decent performances doesnt mean people cant decide for themselves if they think he's a "very good  player" all of the time or part of the time... you need to open your other eye from time to time. 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on December 05, 2011, 05:47:10 PM
He's playing very well. I think it highlights why 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 suits us better than genuine 4-4-2. There's more cover to allow Morrison or Mulumbu to surge forward. There's more freedom for Thomas and for the fullbacks to get forward more. Hope Roy sticks with this even if he is tempted by the Long + Pete combo.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieBoiJono on December 05, 2011, 06:24:21 PM
I hope the man i had an arguement with SME ROW GG seat ** who booed morrison onto the pitch when he came on as sub in one of the recent home games, i hope he feels very silly.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: KingKoren on December 05, 2011, 06:29:07 PM
I have done nothing but defend him so I feel vindicted.  :D
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on December 05, 2011, 07:24:32 PM
Great idea. Drive that pro-/anti-James Morrison wedge in farther. Then when his forms dips, we can look forward to some retaliatory gloating over the decline of one of our own players.  ::)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Booker on December 05, 2011, 07:40:06 PM
ive slagged off Morrison and i think it was just because his performances were poor plus i also give him lots of credit for his current form. lets hope he can keep it going
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on December 05, 2011, 07:58:06 PM
At the end of the day fans get frustrated by Morrison because hes a player with a wealth of experience at this level but at times does look like a 'little boy lost'.

I am a big fan of him but earlier this season he looked very poor and even I felt his time here maybe up if he didnt improve.

Its not being 'thick' its making an observation on a players development
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Touching Johnson on December 05, 2011, 08:49:09 PM
I hold my hand up - I think through trial & error - and a bit of good fortune - we've finally found a position that suits him.

He just needs fattening up now ( We have a talented but rather small and lightweight midfield IMHO )
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 05, 2011, 09:01:39 PM
One swallow does not make a summer.

To come up with this on the back of less than a handful of really good performances, after 2 years of nothing, shows who really has the short memory.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: KingKoren on December 05, 2011, 09:04:04 PM
One swallow does not make a summer.

To come up with this on the back of less than a handful of really good performances, after 2 years of nothing, shows who really has the short memory.

He was far from poor last season. Quite a few goals (some stunners) and assists. Some people can't accept when they are wrong.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 05, 2011, 09:07:42 PM
He was far from poor last season. Quite a few goals (some stunners) and assists. Some people can't accept when they are wrong.

I can accept when I am wrong. If he keeps this up all season, I will gladly admit I was wrong, and with a great big smile on my face.

3 games does not make a great player, and his contribution last season was not great.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: KingKoren on December 05, 2011, 09:18:55 PM
I can accept when I am wrong. If he keeps this up all season, I will gladly admit I was wrong, and with a great big smile on my face.

3 games does not make a great player, and his contribution last season was not great.

Thats fair enough. I do think it is over the top to say he has contributed 'nothing' for two season though. I think we all thought he was going to be amazing after his first premiership season, however his injury and the strength of our midfield have made it harder for him to progress. Lets hope he pushes it on and becomes a top player.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on December 05, 2011, 10:04:21 PM
This season my 3 most moaned about players have been:

- Morrison
- Thomas
- Shorey

What are you getting at exactly? This is a forum where views are posted and where debate happens. For the first half of the season Morrison was fairly poor, but these past 3 games he's been pretty great. Credit where it's due he seems to have improved, but it isn't some conspiracy that the majority thought he was poor earlier. I mean, the fans hardly booed him or claimed he was dreadful did they?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 05, 2011, 10:08:46 PM
give over matey. people have a right to question a players inclusion when he is off form. no one slagged him off.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 05, 2011, 10:09:37 PM
Check back on my posts and you will see I reminded people that he was one of the first on the team sheet a while ago, and seen as a big miss when injured. Not so stupid eh! ;D
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: blackcountryblues on December 05, 2011, 10:42:06 PM
 you give me something that james morrison has done lately
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on December 05, 2011, 10:45:02 PM
Why the hell should anyone feel stupid for 'slagging off' James Morrison? It's a forum for God sake, a place for differing opinions, yet some people on here decide that everyone should think the same as them and throw petty remarks at anyone who doesn't. Morrison has been good the last few games, that's great, I couldn't be happier about that, however, the games previous this season he offered nothing and last season on the whole he was mediocre, the criticism he got was deserved much like the praise he's getting for his recent performances is muchly deserved. No I don't feel stupid for criticising him because the whole point of this forum is to share opinions which I wish people would remember.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Rich99 on December 06, 2011, 12:34:15 AM
He's done very well the last few games, no doubt about that, let's hope he keeps it up.

Things like his superb burst from midfield for our last goal won't show up in stats like below. 

Anyway, goals and assists per minutes played so far this season:

............................G...A.....per min
1 Zoltan Gera      0   1   175.0
2 Shane Long      5   0   197.2
3 Peter Odem      2   1   205.3
4 Chris Brunt       1   4   221.2
5 Paul Scharner   1   1   344.5
6 Billy Jones        0    1   355.0
7 Nicky Shorey      0   2  452.5
8 Jerome T          1   0   821.0
9 James Mozza   1   0   886.0
10 Youssouf M      1   0    1079
11 Steven Reid     0   1    1255
12 Jonas Olsson   1   0    1260
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2011, 09:22:52 AM
AMEN. Jimmy Mozza = Legend


Hey steady on with the legend comment
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 06, 2011, 11:39:20 AM
The term legend is banded about way to much these days.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: albion59 on December 06, 2011, 11:52:12 AM
i was trying hard no to reply to this topic but i have got to now james morrison his an average  premier player who has had a couple of really good games and i hope it continues for him and the team BUT he is a very long way from being a legend.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: VANDERLEI on December 06, 2011, 12:55:04 PM
The frustrating thing for me with Morrison is how most of his shots have as much power as a typical U-14's player, then he lets rip and scores a long range screamer every so often. He's obviously a good player but I would have Scharner in CM every day of the year over Mozza. Saying that, he has done quite well in the last few games.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kie the baggie on December 06, 2011, 01:06:12 PM
I am happy that he is starting to prove most of us wrong fact is apart from the last 3 games he didnt contribute anything to the team and got stick for it and rightly so, now he is looking like a different player more powerful and holding players off more he is getting credit which he does deserve. keep it up jimmy!!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wbarich on December 06, 2011, 02:22:42 PM
People who are having a go at me for saying hes a good player based on the last 3 games are the biggest hypocrites ever! As you lot are basing him being an 'average' or 'poor'player based on the first half of this season so far. I am basing him being a good player for us on the whole time he has been here, like when playing in his strong positions such as right wing under Mowbray in Prem he was brilliant for us, probably our most consistent player that season. He has scored some great goals over the years as well as consistent good performances.

The things people were writing on here were ridiculous. Yes he was struggling for form, but so was everyone at that point apart from Long and Olsson. What people seem to be forgetting as well is in most of these games he was playing left wing! He aint a left sided player, just the same as Brunt aint a right sided player, it just doesn't work. He's now come into a more suited position for him and is proving all of his boo boys wrong
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2011, 02:29:33 PM
A message to all the boo boys, well done for giving him the kick start he needed.Now lets see no more slacking
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wbarich on December 06, 2011, 02:41:06 PM
A message to all the boo boys, well done for giving him the kick start he needed.Now lets see no more slacking

Im sure its not the boo boys who have done that, maybe it was Roy dropping him, as when he came on against Liverpool he has done very well since then. Boo boys dont do anyone any good
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mat15(MH) on December 06, 2011, 02:53:01 PM
Boo-boys?

There's a difference in saying on here that you don't think he merits a place in the team at present to being a boo-boy.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mulumbu99 on December 06, 2011, 03:02:56 PM
A message to all the boo boys, well done for giving him the kick start he needed.Now lets see no more slacking

boo boys ? no one has been booed this season...
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2011, 03:04:53 PM
boo boys ? no one has been booed this season...


I must have been hearing things then, maybe it was the manager substituting a player that we didnt agree with
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mulumbu99 on December 06, 2011, 03:07:45 PM
i haven't even heard that....
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: albion59 on December 06, 2011, 03:23:12 PM
i havent heard anyone boo morrison.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Wbahunty on December 06, 2011, 03:47:20 PM
He needed a kick up the backside and thats what he got when droped from the squad!

He has been brill last few games! I moaned about him and will own up to it because he was terrible before his run of form!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 06, 2011, 04:40:14 PM
you give me something that james morrison has done lately

our best midfileder in 2 of last 3 games and man of the match in the other one...will that do?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: saml30 on December 06, 2011, 05:26:20 PM
Yes i slagged him off, and i still thing i was right to do so, last season and the start of this season he really has not been that good really, the add cracker here and there has covered up how poor he has been at times, yes he has done well the last 3 games, needs to keep it up though, hes now performing at where he did  when mowbray was in charge.

so basically ii dont take back anything i said..........................................yet
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 06, 2011, 08:48:01 PM
People who are having a go at me for saying hes a good player based on the last 3 games are the biggest hypocrites ever! As you lot are basing him being an 'average' or 'poor'player based on the first half of this season so far. I am basing him being a good player for us on the whole time he has been here, like when playing in his strong positions such as right wing under Mowbray in Prem he was brilliant for us, probably our most consistent player that season. He has scored some great goals over the years as well as consistent good performances.

The things people were writing on here were ridiculous. Yes he was struggling for form, but so was everyone at that point apart from Long and Olsson. What people seem to be forgetting as well is in most of these games he was playing left wing! He aint a left sided player, just the same as Brunt aint a right sided player, it just doesn't work. He's now come into a more suited position for him and is proving all of his boo boys wrong

You are choosing to ignore the last two years where his contribution has been limited by injuries and then not up to scratch once back fit. And the first nine games is a longer period to judge a player over than the last three.

James Morrison is a right midfielder. That is his position. He is still being played out of position, and yet he is now starting to deliver. This means that it probably wasn't the position, more a general lack of form. And notice how Chris Brunt, despite playing on his weakest side, still manages to chip in with the most assists.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on December 06, 2011, 08:54:50 PM
I wouldnt agree I think Morrisons position was right midfield but injuries have curtailed the pace he once had and needs to move into and adapt to that central role.

It seems he has worked on his game and applied himself and this had led to a slow but sure improvement in his game centrally
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TLMS17 on December 06, 2011, 08:59:41 PM
I don't think it was people slagging Morrison off, just saying he had been performing poor recently which he had, and now he's upped his game in the last 2 games to what we know he can do so let's hope it continues
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on December 06, 2011, 09:54:26 PM
I'm sure he prefers a central midfield role and that is how Tony Mowbray persuaded him to move from Middlesbrough, but for one reason or another, he never managed to oust Greening and Koren and continued to be used out wide.

Not sure if he should be a definate starter with a fully fit squad to choose from but he is definately PL quality for our club and most of those around us.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wbarich on December 07, 2011, 01:43:30 PM
You are choosing to ignore the last two years where his contribution has been limited by injuries and then not up to scratch once back fit. And the first nine games is a longer period to judge a player over than the last three.

James Morrison is a right midfielder. That is his position. He is still being played out of position, and yet he is now starting to deliver. This means that it probably wasn't the position, more a general lack of form. And notice how Chris Brunt, despite playing on his weakest side, still manages to chip in with the most assists.

Injuries isn't his fault, he has still made contributions in the last couple of years. Yes but the first 9 games he has been out of position and the team as a whole were all playing fairly poor. He could always play right/centre midfield.

Brunt might still be chipping in with assists as you would expect a player of his quality to, but in general his performances this season have been way below average, he gives us no width down the right at all and offers Reid very little (if any) help defensively.

How many crosses do you see us put it in from the right week in week out??
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: fletchboing on December 08, 2011, 10:18:44 PM
Let"s hope Mozza's current form continues, that we cheer not jeer him and on future forums we are all singing from the same hymn sheet. He does have what it takes to be a success in this league. I hope he proves it.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tipton baggie 80 on December 19, 2011, 12:08:54 AM
Thought it worth bumping this thread up.

He's been fantastic in recent weeks. Our best player in my opinion.

Let's hope his injury isn't serious and his form continues...
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WSBaggie on December 19, 2011, 12:16:26 AM
Now I don't like saying I told you so but I can't wait to see the guy who I had an argument with in the Smethwick over abuse he was giving Morrison a couple of weeks ago.

Like most I knew Mozza could do it but he just hadn't shown it before the last couple of weeks, now lets hope he can keep it consistent.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: liam-zuiverloon on December 19, 2011, 12:39:36 AM
Now I don't like saying I told you so but I can't wait to see the guy who I had an argument with in the Smethwick over abuse he was giving Morrison a couple of weeks ago.

Like most I knew Mozza could do it but he just hadn't shown it before the last couple of weeks, now lets hope he can keep it consistent.

Sounds like you love to say i told you so ha...

 Maybe the title of this post should just be changed its a tad too childish really, people say silly things at football games and tempers can get out of hand. well done jimmy great goal, needs to play on wednesday! ;D
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 14, 2012, 09:32:14 PM
He was crap today. Didn't provide any width, wasted possession far too much. After a good run of form too, it was especially disappointing.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 14, 2012, 09:35:21 PM
Worst thing we have done recently is shunt him out wide again, was brilliant alongside Mulumbu in a two, sick of us accommodating Scharner or Dorrans into this team.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 14, 2012, 09:37:16 PM
I dont think for a second that he is a winger, he is a much better player when playing in the middle.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Aztech on January 14, 2012, 09:39:01 PM
Worst thing we have done recently is shunt him out wide again, was brilliant alongside Mulumbu in a two, sick of us accommodating Scharner or Dorrans into this team.

I guess everyone needs their scapegoat!  ;)

Joking aside I would prefer to see Morrison alongside Mulumbu.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 14, 2012, 09:41:30 PM
I guess everyone needs their scapegoat!  ;)

Joking aside I would prefer to see Morrison alongside Mulumbu.

He's my go to guy ;D ... if only his performances for the last 2 years didn't make it so easy!!

I'm glad we concur on JM  ;)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GREGMT on January 14, 2012, 10:35:57 PM
Morrison never in a million years a winger - too slow, no tricks.

But he is a decent CM when played with the right player i.e. Mulumbu.

Taxi is needed for Scharner and Dorrans.  Why can't we play with genuine pace down the flanks?  It would add a new dimension to the team.  Look at the assists provided by Lennon, Bale & Nani.  Get Odemwingie & Tchoyi lining up left and right wing. 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on January 14, 2012, 10:39:14 PM
Morrison never in a million years a winger - too slow, no tricks.

But he is a decent CM when played with the right player i.e. Mulumbu.

Taxi is needed for Scharner and Dorrans.  Why can't we play with genuine pace down the flanks?  It would add a new dimension to the team.  Look at the assists provided by Lennon, Bale & Nani.  Get Odemwingie & Tchoyi lining up left and right wing.

Morrison is way too lightweight as CM in a 442. Scharner is a donkey on the ball and that hurts is badly at home playing 442.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kris_boing on January 14, 2012, 10:44:47 PM
What cheeses me off more than anything is that that Morrison is selected to play on the right hand side of midfield and was constantly drifting inside.  Whether he was told to do that or took it upon himself to do it, it offered us no width and the fact he had a 'mare means he offered nothing in midfield either.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GREGMT on January 14, 2012, 10:51:34 PM
Morrison always drifts inside cluttering CM I've seen him do it loads of times. 

Morrison is a strange player sometimes excellent sometimes ineffective.

I've written him off many times then next game he has a stormer!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 14, 2012, 11:31:23 PM
What cheeses me off more than anything is that that Morrison is selected to play on the right hand side of midfield and was constantly drifting inside.  Whether he was told to do that or took it upon himself to do it, it offered us no width and the fact he had a 'mare means he offered nothing in midfield either.

he is a centre midfielder you have to blame Roy for playing him there.
although he was woeful today one thing i cant take away from morrison is he will have a go. which has been a problem for us. last season we scored lots of goals from distance this year were trying to walk it in!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Tequila Rich on January 14, 2012, 11:38:34 PM
Morrison is way too lightweight as CM in a 442. Scharner is a donkey on the ball and that hurts is badly at home playing 442.

In the games he played at centre midfield i think he did really well and put in some decent tackles too.  ok he's not a big tough centre midfield but he's quick, decent on the ball, and adds a bit more drive and goal threat.  maybe away from home play scharner, but at home when we need to attack more he should play.  i would prefer an in form dorrans, but i think we can forget that!

but we need new blood out on the wing, to start or at least if thomas is having a stinker, and brunt is injured we can just freshen it up!   
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on January 15, 2012, 12:21:51 PM
Morrison is way too lightweight as CM in a 442. Scharner is a donkey on the ball and that hurts is badly at home playing 442.
The evidence of Morrison's 5 or 6 games in centre midfield recently showed he can certainly play there and improve our football. He was without doubt our best player over the course of those games. Agree that Scharner isn't a prem class centre midfield player especially at home when you have to create and open teams up.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wbarich on January 16, 2012, 02:28:41 PM
What cheeses me off more than anything is that that Morrison is selected to play on the right hand side of midfield and was constantly drifting inside.  Whether he was told to do that or took it upon himself to do it, it offered us no width and the fact he had a 'mare means he offered nothing in midfield either.

He is clearly playing under instruction as thats what Brunt did every week when he played on the right
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on January 16, 2012, 02:48:45 PM
What cheeses me off more than anything is that that Morrison is selected to play on the right hand side of midfield and was constantly drifting inside.  Whether he was told to do that or took it upon himself to do it, it offered us no width and the fact he had a 'mare means he offered nothing in midfield either.
Just a reminder, he did have 2 or 3 good attempts on goal including one headed off the line. AND he played perfectly weighted first time pass with his left into the path of Cox for clear goal scoring chance.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on January 16, 2012, 03:01:14 PM
its all a bit of a muddle.
Brunty is played in the middle when hes more effective wide and Mozza is played wide when he's more effective in the middle  :-X
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: greggy8689 on January 17, 2012, 12:42:36 PM
What cheeses me off more than anything is that that Morrison is selected to play on the right hand side of midfield and was constantly drifting inside.  Whether he was told to do that or took it upon himself to do it, it offered us no width and the fact he had a 'mare means he offered nothing in midfield either.

Brunt did exactly the same when he was finally put on the left the other week which would make you think they are being instructed to do it, that or they are poor disciplined at sticking to their roles.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: HampshireBaggie on January 17, 2012, 01:24:29 PM
Brunt being out has completely thrown our midfield out of balance.

Morrison has proven to us this season with his excellent CM performances that he is a CM. So is Dorrans. Tchoyi is not a striker. Which leaves us with 1 recognised winger, Thomas. Who has been carrying an injury for months.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: brummyroader on January 17, 2012, 08:37:05 PM
We should refer back to 4-2-3-1 with Morrison being played behind Wingie or Long.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 17, 2012, 08:43:53 PM
We should refer back to 4-2-3-1 with Morrison being played behind Wingie or Long.

I actually think 4-4-2 is worth persevering with as long as we have someone creative in the middle alongside Mulumbu especially for home games, Morrison has shown before he got injured that he can do that. As for Odemwingie and Long they haven't had that run of games together to strike up a partnership yet.

With that said I don't think formations are the be all and end all to be honest, no matter what shape a team plays the side needs to be balanced right and ours rarely look it.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: brummyroader on January 17, 2012, 08:49:00 PM
I actually think 4-4-2 is worth persevering with as long as we have someone creative in the middle alongside Mulumbu especially for home games, Morrison has shown before he got injured that he can do that. As for Odemwingie and Long they haven't had that run of games together to strike up a partnership yet.

With that said I don't think formations are the be all and end all to be honest, no matter what shape a team plays the side needs to be balanced right and ours rarely look it.

The thing is mate I think we miss Scharner on the whole when he isn't in the team, i know his form hasn't been very good the last few games. Then at least we would have someone to come off the bench to help if needed.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: hardtobeat on January 17, 2012, 10:06:27 PM
We should refer back to 4-2-3-1 with Morrison being played behind Wingie or Long.
Gets my vote if only because it was good enough to beat Arsenal at the Emirates last season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: KingKoren on January 17, 2012, 10:15:51 PM
He can't shoot. He is amazing at volleying but if the ball is on the deck he can't hit a barn door with a banjo. He should just flick the ball up and volley everything.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: 63Brummie on January 17, 2012, 10:56:07 PM
We'll have to differ on this - Mulumbu Scharner combo nowhere near creative enough in my reckoning.
You make a good point, but that's not what their primary role is.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Rich99 on January 21, 2012, 09:26:24 PM
I've been pretty impressed with him lately. He's looking good when going down the middle: energetic, pacy :o, imaginative.  It looks like he's enjoying his game very much too.

With me, it's perhaps in the balance whether he maybe tries one too many, but I can't blame him as when he hits it right he can hit a real peach of a shot.

I'd say he's one of our players who another Premiership side would happily snap up.  He's most certainly good enough for our squad at very least, in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on January 21, 2012, 09:29:51 PM
Yes he's gone from 'good squad member' to automatic selection (central midfield) in past couple of months for me.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 21, 2012, 09:30:08 PM
I thought he had another good game today, scored a good goal.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Rich99 on January 21, 2012, 09:33:22 PM
I thought he had another good game today, scored a good goal.

He deserved it as well as the scorcher of a shot he hit before had goal written all over it.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Nocky on January 21, 2012, 09:59:45 PM
The balance of the midfield looked so much better with Morrison and Dorrans offering a bit of creative spark alongside the industrious Mulumbu. I wouldn't be too disappointed to see us stick with the five man midfield in the next few games as it suits the likes of Morrison and Dorrans down to the ground.

I think this season Morrison has demonstrated that he is a much better CM than he is a wide player, something that I wouldn't have thought I would be saying this time last season. He is quite exciting bursting from deep with pace and his shooting, although a bit erratic, has improved no end.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jonah on January 21, 2012, 10:06:07 PM
I think that Morrison is playing as good as if not better than he was three years ago before his injury. I also think that its apparent that the injury that kept him out for the majority of the 2009/2010 season was the reason for the loss of form last season and at the start of this one.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on January 22, 2012, 05:28:10 AM
He can't shoot. He is amazing at volleying but if the ball is on the deck he can't hit a barn door with a banjo. He should just flick the ball up and volley everything.

I remember a thread about Morrison from last year, my main gripe with him was that he lacked a finishing shot (we all know he can volley). Tbf to him he has had a few cracking shots this season. Even the one he scored today was a good shot that Sorensen underestimated. Ofc he should have caught it but it did swirl a lot in the final five meters and then there was the one that Sorensen pushed onto the bar.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tipton baggie 80 on January 22, 2012, 12:13:11 PM
What's this nonsense about an investigation into a 'gesture' after he scored? What's he supposed to have done? And how about they investigate what Peter Crouch actually DID do!?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 22, 2012, 12:37:03 PM
What's this nonsense about an investigation into a 'gesture' after he scored? What's he supposed to have done? And how about they investigate what Peter Crouch actually DID do!?

He did exactly what Phillips did against the wolves, anyone upset needs to get a life to be honest.


Theres a pic on this link:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4077180/Roy-Hodgson-I-didnt-see-James-Morrison-fist-pump-gesture.html
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggieboyfred on January 22, 2012, 01:07:36 PM
I remember a thread about Morrison from last year, my main gripe with him was that he lacked a finishing shot (we all know he can volley). Tbf to him he has had a few cracking shots this season. Even the one he scored today was a good shot that Sorensen underestimated. Ofc he should have caught it but it did swirl a lot in the final five meters and then there was the one that Sorensen pushed onto the bar.
would not disagree entirely with that but i will say this at least he is the one player who is trying to shoot when he gets the chance, not like others who try and walk the ball into the net , bottom line the more shots you try the better chance you have of scoring, he had two great shots  that hit the woodwork today, one pushed on to the post by the keeper, as well as one that went just wide if JT had been a bit more positive we would have been out of sight before they scored their goal, at least he  does not shoot if there is a better option unlike PO, so lets not be to hard on him
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 22, 2012, 01:32:40 PM
He did exactly what Phillips did against the wolves, anyone upset needs to get a life to be honest.


Theres a pic on this link:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4077180/Roy-Hodgson-I-didnt-see-James-Morrison-fist-pump-gesture.html
Agreed mate, we as fans give a lot of stick to players, I like it when the players give them a bit back.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on January 22, 2012, 01:38:15 PM
I'm certainly not upset, but I do think he ought to refrain from such incendiary gestures in the future.  ;)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on January 22, 2012, 01:48:13 PM
He helped run the game against Stoke and it seems he is back on course to have a season similar to his under Mowbray in our ill fated top flight season a few years ago.

Those 2 shots that hit the post would have been special goals.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: HampshireBaggie on January 22, 2012, 01:53:08 PM
Agreed mate, we as fans give a lot of stick to players, I like it when the players give them a bit back.

So he fist pumped to the stoke fans? is that what this is all about?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on January 22, 2012, 01:54:51 PM
Hes a player of immense quality albeit the time spent with us in the Championship hes played the majority of his career in the top flight. that says something.

His injuries over the last couple of years curtailed his development and at times I felt he might not find that level again for which he could develop from.

However this season he seems to have found the hunger and desire to build his career further.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 22, 2012, 01:56:34 PM
Mozza has been in a very good run of form over the last few weeks. I think he gets stuck in a lot more now, which he didnt do as much when he first came.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 22, 2012, 02:13:57 PM
I was under the impression that he wasrubbish and should never wear the stripes again a few weeks ago. It's a good job that I watch matches and don't just list to the twaddle, sorry, I mean the opinions, of certain posters on this site.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 22, 2012, 02:16:28 PM
I was said a few weeks ago, that he should have been dropped, but that goal he scored at Blackburn has done him the world of good.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 22, 2012, 02:21:23 PM
I'm actually referring to posts much earlier on in the season when he was basically getting dog's abuse. He has always been a good player and certainly premier league standard. He is currently in a great vein of form but as soon as he has an off day it will start again.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: mulliganstired on January 22, 2012, 02:32:28 PM
I suspect he's under general instructions to feel free to give it a whack whenever he's within 25 yds of goal - and why not?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 22, 2012, 02:38:03 PM
Made 13 apps for Scotland so far, and has also played in the Europa League for Boro.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on February 13, 2012, 07:46:40 PM
Cant find the original thread but do think this is worthy of revisting. the original argument questioned his ability to hold down a place in our midfield. Many branded him lightweight and inconsistent and quite a few defended him. There was maybe some merit in both sides of the argument.

Yesterday I thought Jimmys performance was absolutely fantastic. I thought he completely dominated the midfield and ran the game. This on the back of a string of impressive performances for us. He seems to have really rounded out his game and has matured into a top quality prem midfielder. Could he play for a top 6 side?

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wbarenno on February 13, 2012, 07:53:16 PM
Player of the season for us!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Pistol Pete on February 13, 2012, 07:55:05 PM
Last time we were in the Premiership he looked well above anything else we had, last season and the beginning of this season he was largely inconsistent and never really hit his best but towards the end of last season he began to show glimmers and, in my opinion, this season so far he has (after a torrid start where I slated him) probably progressed to be our player of the season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tlms-p23 on February 13, 2012, 07:56:08 PM
Has been absolutely magnificent of late. Involved in it all yesterday. Assist for the Andrews goal, assist for Odemwingie's 3rd. 2 goals from his corners. I have previously been a critic of his, but he's been top notch recently. Keep it up Jimmy!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: DaveWBA on February 13, 2012, 07:58:07 PM
Last time we were in the Premiership he looked well above anything else we had,

Thats because the majority of the side he was playing in was garbage.

I wasn't impressed with him last season, thought he had little end product. This season however he has been outstanding, up there for player of the season if he keeps it up.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Tequila Rich on February 13, 2012, 07:59:04 PM
im not sure about playing for a top 6 club but he certainly is a pivotal player in our team, and probably would be in any mid table to relegation side.

he works very hard. is a creative spark in midfield. gets forward a lot. times his runs into the box well. likes having a pop at goal. and has even learnt to get his foot in at the right time.  an extremely important player for us with the likes of gera and brunt out!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 13, 2012, 08:08:53 PM
I think for the fan who doesn't get to watch us alot (namely myself) there's a question of "what kind of player is he?"

He's too small and light to be a tough tackling so and so, he's not particually creative, he scores maybe 3 a season, so what is his thing?

I think the answe is he's not an out and out anything, he's a good/7 outa 10 in most if not all areas.

He's been Brilliant for us this last 10 games or so. Sometimes the only player giving it his all.

Him and Olsson are the first oputfielders on the teamsheet for me these days.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 13, 2012, 08:10:34 PM
I think he has matured as a player and worked hard on his all round game and we are seeing the best of him now, really hope he keeps on improving but he has been by far our most consistent performer. Seems to be best as a box to box player.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: cads_ap_albion on February 13, 2012, 08:12:09 PM
seems to have a got a yard of pace back as well.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 13, 2012, 08:21:55 PM
Been good this season but really played well at Stoke , and yesterday of course ..
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Tom1964 on February 13, 2012, 08:27:08 PM
Thought he was fantastic yesterday and probably been the player of the season so far for me.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on February 13, 2012, 08:30:24 PM
I think for thr fans who doesn't get to watch us alot (namely myself) there's a question of "what kind of player is he?"

He's too small and light to be a tough tackling so and so, he's not particually creative, he scores maybe 3 a season, so what is his thing?

I think the answe is he's not an out and out anything, he's a good/7 outa 10 in most if not all areas.

He's been Brilliant for us this last 10 games or so. Sometimes the only player giving it his all.

Him and Olsson are the first oputfielders on the teamsheet for me these days.

He is getting much better at shielding the ball and rolling off tackles with the ball still under control. He has made some genuine improvements to his game lately which are very good to see and telling on the field.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on February 13, 2012, 08:36:00 PM
Very good all round player. Like a couple of others he's better suited to 4-5-1 but also played very well in the centre of a 4-4-2 pre Christmas. He's now a very experienced prem mdifielder and still only 25.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BigFrank20 on February 13, 2012, 08:46:33 PM
I think he performs much, much better when Brunt isn't playing in the same team too
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tlms-p23 on February 13, 2012, 08:51:59 PM
He is getting much better at shielding the ball and rolling off tackles with the ball still under control. He has made some genuine improvements to his game lately which are very good to see and telling on the field.

I've noticed this as well and it was particularly evident in the build up to Andrews goal. He shielded the ball really well from Ward before burning him for pace and cutting it back for the goal.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 13, 2012, 09:05:52 PM
Mozza did well again Yesterday, got more stuck in, and made some good passes. A very underated player I think.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: HampshireBaggie on February 13, 2012, 09:08:22 PM
Player of the season contender.

A proper mid-table premier league player, who is also our longest serving. Always gives 100% and kiss badge tapping at the wolves fans was a joy!

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adamstv on February 13, 2012, 10:57:27 PM
Two things yesterday really made me smile with Morrison. In the 2nd half we got a corner and as he went to take the corner touched his badge right in front of the wolves fans. Then when he set up Andrews and he was off the pitch he just turned round to the wolves fans and raised his arm with clenched fist - for me sums up his attitude and commitment to us.

Watching the game again now and he is involved in everything. Second half is superb.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MulumbuPower! on February 13, 2012, 11:00:24 PM
I think he's turning into the prem player we were counting on Dorrans to become. Theres still time for that though. If we can get them both playing together at the height of their powers... can you imagine?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Rich99 on February 13, 2012, 11:05:08 PM
He's playing great and he seems to have taken Albion a bit to heart too.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: graka on February 15, 2012, 10:10:51 AM
he is playing really well at the moment and i was someone who questioned what he contributed earlier in the season. he as stepped up and delivered. with brunt and gera fit and andrews coming in would be very tough to pick a 5 let alone a 4!!!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: VANDERLEI on February 15, 2012, 11:00:52 AM
He was in danger of becoming the next scapegoat for our fans ala Carson/Moore. It's as if he has looked at the negative comments and completely upped his game. All aspects (shooting, workrate, passing) are on a different level to earlier on in the season where he would be a passenger in games. Well done to him for showing everyone how good he is. He's quickly becoming West Brom's answer to Frank Lampard.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Greenock Baggie on February 15, 2012, 11:27:08 AM
No doubt about him being a masively improved player for us lately and I'm well chuffed for him but about his performance at the Dingles,.......he was in a 5 man Albion midfield against a 4 man Dingle midfield and was "in effect" our spare midfielder so wasnt involved in any match-up on the pitch, therefore as the spare midfielder he had the time and space to make things happen without being under too much pressure when receiving the ball.

I hope he keeps it up though and continues to improve. Great stuff
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Nocky on February 15, 2012, 12:42:04 PM
He has been very good so far this season. He's obviously more effective when played in the middle as opposed to out wide but more specifically, i think he's shown himself to be absolutely superb when played in a 5 man midfield. It gives him greater freedom to carry the ball forward at pace, something that has almost become a trademark of his this season.

I think his better performances have generally come away from home as there is more space for him to operate in. At home, when teams tend to sit deeper, i personally don't think he's been as effective. Overall though he's been fantastic this season. His end product has improved no end and he's looking every inch a PL midfielder.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 15, 2012, 01:01:24 PM
best player so far
alot of people on here are blinded by dorrans fever! and would have him in the team over morrison but theres no doubt in my mind morrison is a class above!

his form is not as good as his away form but thats the same for the whole team! we set up wrong at home
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on February 15, 2012, 11:34:32 PM
On course for a serious challenge to be our player of the season again.

I said at the time he had talent as he was our best player in Mowbray prem season but I did think he was coming near to the end of his time/usefulness here. He seems to have reinvented himself which is great and is filling the creative void as best as he can.

I still believe he is playing at his maximum with us - he wont go any higher, but what is wrong with being one of the better players in a lower mid table premier league team? I hope he can continue how he has been playing. When he hits a groove, he seems to be able to make up for his lack of pace and dribbling with intelligent play and good vision as well as a dogged determination.

Well done Mozza
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAGinge on February 16, 2012, 03:36:24 AM
Ive always seen Mozza as a decent team/squad player, just before Christmas i thought he was brilliant and going through a good spell, he's since slowly gone back to being decent at best until Sunday. Any other week he would of been man of the match, but Odemwingie and Fortune were on form also.


I would also love to point out that Odemwingies third goal was a superb goal, not on Peters side but Morrisons. Not many players would of made that run he did and overlap Fortune to get into a position, where a perfectly weighted ball into the box, would split the opposition defence apart ready for a tap in for the striker. World class football in my opinion and great thinking on Morrisons part.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Nocky on February 16, 2012, 11:39:09 AM
On course for a serious challenge to be our player of the season again.

I said at the time he had talent as he was our best player in Mowbray prem season but I did think he was coming near to the end of his time/usefulness here. He seems to have reinvented himself which is great and is filling the creative void as best as he can.

I still believe he is playing at his maximum with us - he wont go any higher, but what is wrong with being one of the better players in a lower mid table premier league team? I hope he can continue how he has been playing. When he hits a groove, he seems to be able to make up for his lack of pace and dribbling with intelligent play and good vision as well as a dogged determination.

Well done Mozza

He's easily one of the quicker CM in the PL. He doesn't have the explosive pace or trickery to be really effective out wide but when he bursts from the middle of the park he is hard to live with.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on February 16, 2012, 06:14:31 PM
He's easily one of the quicker CM in the PL. He doesn't have the explosive pace or trickery to be really effective out wide but when he bursts from the middle of the park he is hard to live with.

Im not convinced he is one of the faster central mids in the league really but who knows. I know pace is not something he naturally has though - certainly not pace to take him past people.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: leeiswba on February 16, 2012, 06:23:33 PM
Last season and first 5-10 games this season he was very inconsistant, but honestly he is becoming my favourite Albion player.

Hes always seems to have a smile on his face when playing, always seems to be a player who does work for the community programme and always a player who is around the celebrations when we score, and for him to come out and say what he did in the window it seems he wants the best for the club.

If he keeps up this form he will be player of the season. Well done Jimmy Mozza.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tommcneill on February 17, 2012, 09:36:34 PM
Huge improvement this season...

Perhaps the injury he had was so bad it just took time to get back because we are now seeing the player I expected.

Fantastic from Mozza...no crying, moaning or sulking just gets on with the job..

Thanks for the touching badge moment infront of the inbreds...top man
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: boinging_along on February 17, 2012, 11:36:03 PM
He's been really good this season.  The only frustrating side to his game usually comes in the oppositions half.  Like misplacing a pass at a crucial time or scuffing a shot along the floor.  Thankfully this season it's been at a minimum.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: 63Brummie on February 18, 2012, 10:29:46 PM
Player of the season for us!
A bloody good shout.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: clintsmoker on February 19, 2012, 01:11:45 PM
Morrison has always been a quality player. Needs to be supported by the likes of scharner , mulumbu and Dorrans so he can get on with what he does best.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wbarich on February 20, 2012, 02:36:12 PM
I think he's turning into the prem player we were counting on Dorrans to become. Theres still time for that though. If we can get them both playing together at the height of their powers... can you imagine?

Dont mention Dorrans and Morrison in the same sentence! Morrison is head and shoulders above that over rated clown dorrans. Much better attitude, much better player Morrison is loving it! His comments in transfer window suggest he wants best for the club, his celebrations at Stoke and Wolves show he loves it! Morrison is our player of the season so far for me, while dorrans is most overrated, uninterested, lazy, underperforming clown of the season
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: gerry m on February 20, 2012, 03:05:18 PM
Dont mention Dorrans and Morrison in the same sentence! Morrison is head and shoulders above that over rated clown dorrans. Much better attitude, much better player Morrison is loving it! His comments in transfer window suggest he wants best for the club, his celebrations at Stoke and Wolves show he loves it! Morrison is our player of the season so far for me, while dorrans is most overrated, uninterested, lazy, underperforming clown of the season

thats a bit strong mate! yes dorrans has struggled of late but people tend to forget the tragic family loss he had!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on February 20, 2012, 03:31:59 PM
Dont mention Dorrans and Morrison in the same sentence! Morrison is head and shoulders above that over rated clown dorrans. Much better attitude, much better player Morrison is loving it! His comments in transfer window suggest he wants best for the club, his celebrations at Stoke and Wolves show he loves it! Morrison is our player of the season so far for me, while dorrans is most overrated, uninterested, lazy, underperforming clown of the season

Bit ridiculous opinion but to each their own. I'd like to see Graham build full fitness and settle into the team for a while before calling him out. It seems that the last couple of season every time Graham has started to find some form he has been hit by a new injury. Look at Mozza, he looks much stronger physically lately, not least in the core muscles and upper body, and he is reaping the benefit of excellent fitness. Let's have Graham get back to full fitness himself before we project a lot of crap on him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wbarich on February 21, 2012, 02:05:00 PM
All the excuses are starting to run out for Dorrans now! Its nearly 2 years where by he has done nothing and nowhere near fulfilled the potential he showed in the Championship! I wouldnt mind if he at least looked interested and put 100% effort in when he comes on but he doesnt hes lazy and puts no effort in, only looks interested when on the ball. Hes one of our top earners and for what? Nothing. Hopefully he will be gone in the summer
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on February 21, 2012, 03:50:56 PM
All the excuses are starting to run out for Dorrans now! Its nearly 2 years where by he has done nothing and nowhere near fulfilled the potential he showed in the Championship! I wouldnt mind if he at least looked interested and put 100% effort in when he comes on but he doesnt hes lazy and puts no effort in, only looks interested when on the ball. Hes one of our top earners and for what? Nothing. Hopefully he will be gone in the summer

To be fair rich dorrans has never made excuses publically that i am aware of. injuries are unfortunate and personal problems a fact of life for us all. but to class him as lazy and disinterested is scandalous in my view. he is a talented player who has struggled for form and fitness that's all. if at the end of the season he sits down with the club and they decide together that a fresh challenge would be best then he should go with our best wishes. your forgetting that it was the scintillating form that you mention that played a significant part in getting us PL football in the first place!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 21, 2012, 06:08:31 PM
To be fair rich dorrans has never made excuses publically that i am aware of. injuries are unfortunate and personal problems a fact of life for us all. but to class him as lazy and disinterested is scandalous in my view. he is a talented player who has struggled for form and fitness that's all. if at the end of the season he sits down with the club and they decide together that a fresh challenge would be best then he should go with our best wishes. your forgetting that it was the scintillating form that you mention that played a significant part in getting us PL football in the first place!

Good post, Dorrans goals were crucial and worth a fortune.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wbarich on February 22, 2012, 02:04:48 PM
To be fair rich dorrans has never made excuses publically that i am aware of. injuries are unfortunate and personal problems a fact of life for us all. but to class him as lazy and disinterested is scandalous in my view. he is a talented player who has struggled for form and fitness that's all. if at the end of the season he sits down with the club and they decide together that a fresh challenge would be best then he should go with our best wishes. your forgetting that it was the scintillating form that you mention that played a significant part in getting us PL football in the first place!

I dont mean Dorrans making excuses,  i meant the fans keep making excuses for him! And yes i appreciate his role in getting us up which is why it is even more frustrating that he has done nothing for TWO years nearly when we saw how good he was in the championship. Dorrans needs to take a long hard look at Morrisons attitude, effort and performances and do the same.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 22, 2012, 02:37:45 PM
Dont mention Dorrans and Morrison in the same sentence! Morrison is head and shoulders above that over rated clown dorrans. Much better attitude, much better player Morrison is loving it! His comments in transfer window suggest he wants best for the club, his celebrations at Stoke and Wolves show he loves it! Morrison is our player of the season so far for me, while dorrans is most overrated, uninterested, lazy, underperforming clown of the season

i agree with the majority of this! not sure you can call him a clown mind you
dorrans is a good player but is technically not as good as morrison!
morrison has improved his strength and the nitty gritty side of his game.
dorrans looks out of his depth best thing that could happen is a loan to the championship so he could get some games, because as it stands he gets a chance gets injured as is at the moment the weakest link in ou midfield department. thanks for the goal at stoke mind you
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on February 22, 2012, 06:44:05 PM
I dont mean Dorrans making excuses,  i meant the fans keep making excuses for him! And yes i appreciate his role in getting us up which is why it is even more frustrating that he has done nothing for TWO years nearly when we saw how good he was in the championship. Dorrans needs to take a long hard look at Morrisons attitude, effort and performances and do the same.

Ah i see what you mean. Mind you it has to be said that JM has been given far more opportunity to shine than Dorrans though injury has a lot to do with that. Its a great shame that GD hasnt gone on to show the PL what he is capable of but there is still time yet. One thing that would I believe make a difference is if he was played in the middle of the park more and got forward more when he has played the odd game centrally he has played much deeper. Hard to see this happening with the strength we have in central midfield unless we get a rash of injuries.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 23, 2012, 09:40:00 PM
Ah i see what you mean. Mind you it has to be said that JM has been given far more opportunity to shine than Dorrans though injury has a lot to do with that. Its a great shame that GD hasnt gone on to show the PL what he is capable of but there is still time yet. One thing that would I believe make a difference is if he was played in the middle of the park more and got forward more when he has played the odd game centrally he has played much deeper. Hard to see this happening with the strength we have in central midfield unless we get a rash of injuries.

Remember Morrison was also out for over a year with his foot injury, I don't think anyone was making excuses for him, like they do for Dorrans :D
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on February 23, 2012, 10:26:18 PM
Remember Morrison was also out for over a year with his foot injury, I don't think anyone was making excuses for him, like they do for Dorrans :D

True halifax but Morrison was back before Dorrans under Roy. And so established himself in Roys lineup. Been a bit more difficult for Dorrans to get that same opportunity. I do agree that we havnt seen GD at the same level he reached before he had difficulties. Ive always maintained that it is difficult to put the two of them in the same team as essentially they do the same job just that Morrison is doing it much better this season. But thats just a matter of opinion really.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: The Joust on February 24, 2012, 09:29:36 AM
Dorrans - Koumas mark 2...?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Nocky on February 25, 2012, 10:17:20 PM
Great performance again today.

He showed plenty of those trademark bursts through the middle and once again showed that he is hard to live with once he gets into his stride. He's in the form of his live at the moment and his thriving at the heart of that 3 man midfield.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Barrington on February 25, 2012, 11:33:30 PM
James was immense today. Well done : )
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: 63Brummie on February 25, 2012, 11:43:00 PM
I have never been his greatest fan because to me far too often games pass him by without him offering much to the side, however over the last few games in the time he has had on the pitch he has looked about our best midfielder and to me he is certainly more deserving of a start than chris brunt who has been well below par for weeks.

I think he should replace Brunt in the side for the Bolton game.

"Over theast few games"?
Are you on medication???
Mozza, never hides, and is imho our player of the season...so far.
I think what irks many is the fact that James Morrison simply isn't very "sexy"....
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: leeiswba on February 25, 2012, 11:48:06 PM
"Over theast few games"?
Are you on medication???
Mozza, never hides, and is imho our player of the season...so far.
I think what irks many is the fact that James Morrison simply isn't very "sexy"....

He posted that 12th November so was a pretty fair assessment at the time in my opinion
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on February 26, 2012, 12:04:50 AM
Brilliant today as ever this season!

I know they had a lack of midfield, but still - some of his marauding runs and passes were excellent. He's really developed well of late. I can't find my post in this thread from months back, but I basically said how he'd stood still as a footballer and was a sub at best!

I think my views were justified, but since he's kicked on and has been excellent.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smosher34 on February 26, 2012, 10:20:54 AM
in the sun today he touched the ball 93 times top was toure with 118 and a few otherman city players , just goes to show how well he is playing and must be heading for player of the season  ;)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Tipton Baggie on February 26, 2012, 11:04:12 AM
Player of the season so far, as soon as he picks up the ball he goes forward, he seems to run with the ball more often than he has done in previous seasons, keeps it simple and scores the odd belter...he really has come into his own this season, always said hes a Prem player...well played jimmy boy
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on February 26, 2012, 05:46:40 PM
"Over theast few games"?
Are you on medication???
Mozza, never hides, and is imho our player of the season...so far.
I think what irks many is the fact that James Morrison simply isn't very "sexy"....

It's a shame to trawl and find a post from November to bring up. It was quite balanced as well - he was supporting him.

Lets try to keep personal insults out of it.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on February 26, 2012, 05:50:55 PM
Immense yesterday, the amount of space he had though was unreal. His decision making is top notch and always seems to be in the right place at the right time, vastly underrated not only by our fans but by other managers and long may it continue. Give him time and space and watch the goals/assists come.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 26, 2012, 07:33:16 PM
Dorrans - Koumas mark 2...?

In my opinion, no.

I think Dorrans has much better application than Koumas.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: mateinone on February 27, 2012, 06:53:50 PM
Dorrans - Koumas mark 2...?
Koumas had more talent, but he was far lazier than anyone can realistically claim Dorrans is.
Dorrans is a good player that has had a couple of poor seasons, will probably be moved on for it at the end of this one unless something changes, but he has been very good for us overall and when he goes it will be with a pat on that back and thanks for your time here.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: VANDERLEI on February 27, 2012, 07:09:56 PM
Seems like some people on here have found themselves a new scapegoat. I suppose it had to happen with Moore and Carson leaving, Morrison playing the best football of his career and Odemwingie scoring for fun. So they are out of the running, I know lets make Dorrans the new pariah. Absolute jokers.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jonah on February 27, 2012, 10:24:50 PM
Dorrans is in the same position that Morrison was a few months ago. I think that Dorrans is more than capable of rediscovering is best form. However I have a bad feeling that it will be next season with another club.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on February 27, 2012, 10:50:37 PM
Dorrans is in the same position that Morrison was a few months ago. I think that Dorrans is more than capable of rediscovering is best form. However I have a bad feeling that it will be next season with another club.

Dorrans didn't look superfit to me against Sunderland. I won't really pass judgement on him until he has recovered his real fitness, like Morrison has now.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tipton baggie 80 on February 27, 2012, 11:02:48 PM
I remember reading someone's post on here that James Morrison would consistently give you 7 out of 10, meaning that he would be good but not spectacular in games (at the time it was probably fair). I think he's still Mr Consistent, but has raised his game to an 8 out of 10. With his form over the last few months he should be one of the first names on the team sheet and a stand out contender for player of the season.

As for Dorrans, i like him, i feel he has bags of abillity (capable of 9s or 10s out of 10) but not as consistently. I also think that everything points to him leaving the club. Just personal opinion, but I guess we'll soon see.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 28, 2012, 12:17:16 AM
Seems like some people on here have found themselves a new scapegoat. I suppose it had to happen with Moore and Carson leaving, Morrison playing the best football of his career and Odemwingie scoring for fun. So they are out of the running, I know lets make Dorrans the new pariah. Absolute jokers.

Not really, I think a few people are finally beginning to wake up and smell the coffee with Dorrans, I've maintained he's not as good as a lot of our fans think since midway through that Championship season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on February 28, 2012, 12:19:42 AM
Still he had an assist again in limited minutes against Sunderland (to go with his goal against Stoke). A goal and an assist from a player who isn't near his top fitness, not bad I'd say.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 28, 2012, 12:21:42 AM
Indeed a very nice lay-off. I think we're slowly but surely out growing the likes of Graham Dorrans, who as we know fits extremely well in a top 7-8 Championship team.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on February 28, 2012, 12:35:38 AM
Well if Graham produces goals and assists in the PL, while not yet fully fit, I can't wait to see how he does when fully fit. Regardless his production levels are promising for this level of football. He isn't even 25 yet so he still has time to find his feet in the PL.   
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 28, 2012, 01:04:06 AM
if i was voting for player of the season morrison would have my vote without a shadow of a doubt.
hes stronger with the ball then he used to be, hes more dogged out of possession, Roy has really got him to improve the weaker parts of his games.

crucially he scores goals and makes goals which is crucial.

with regards to dorrans fever he is a good player and he does need time and games which as it stands he is not going to get from WBA we should have loaned him out for a month or so to get matchfit and sharp
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on February 28, 2012, 09:49:17 PM
Would love to know what the issue is with Dorrans' fitness as it's that not ability, which is lacking. Someone on here said Mowbray had said Dorrans wouldn't be fit enough for the prem.
Is it a lifestyle thing ? Does he not train hard ? I like him as a player. If he needs match fitness, play him in every reserve game until he is match fit.
 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on March 25, 2012, 06:37:57 PM
Looks like he's out for the season, Roy said he's done his ligaments in his knee. Huge loss, been our best player this season. Only one thing that needs to be said... step forward Graham, this is your chance.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wba1993dave on March 25, 2012, 06:43:46 PM
Big Shame that but it gives Dorrans 8 games to prove he is good enough.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on March 25, 2012, 06:46:29 PM
All the best of luck to James

:(
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 25, 2012, 06:46:33 PM
Big Shame that but it gives Dorrans 8 games to prove he is good enough.

We might recall Thorne and get him to play. Dorrans doesn't seem right and hasn't for ages.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wba1993dave on March 25, 2012, 06:48:28 PM
We might recall Thorne and get him to play. Dorrans doesn't seem right and hasn't for ages.

True but i would like to see Dorrans given one last go before we turn to Thorne. Dont forget Gera could be back soon.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 25, 2012, 06:51:09 PM
Massive blow losing James Morrison. Been fantastic for us all season and it'll be a shame he has to miss a large chunk. However, this gives Graham Dorrans a fantastic oppurtunity to show his worth and its one he must take otherwise his Albion days could quite well be numbered.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on March 25, 2012, 06:55:14 PM
Massive blow losing James Morrison. Been fantastic for us all season and it'll be a shame he has to miss a large chunk. However, this gives Graham Dorrans a fantastic oppurtunity to show his worth and its one he must take otherwise his Albion days could quite well be numbered.

But Dorrans isn't fit is he? I do wonder what the problem is since Graham hasn't been fit for any length of time since we have been promoted to the PL. And it's not the personal problem I am talking about but his physical fitness. He is constantly getting niggle after niggle.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MulumbuPower! on March 25, 2012, 06:59:17 PM
Does seem to be a problem with Dorrans. Did he even make the bench today?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 25, 2012, 07:03:17 PM
I was amazed he weren't included alongside Tchoyi unless they were both injured. Caught me by surprise. He's been unfortunate that whenever he's made some progress it's been haulted. He's then given ten minute poxy run outs here and there and our fans are saying he isn't good enough. If you've hardly played any football then I'm not expecting the lad to put out a wonder performance in ten minutes.

The lad will eventually leave the club and I for one will think we've missed out on a talented footballer.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dexy on March 25, 2012, 07:05:18 PM
Dorrans has an injured hamstring.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on March 25, 2012, 07:06:23 PM
Hopefully Gera won't be to far off now. The club did say that he would hopefully be available for the last month of the season. He was showing some signs of linking up well with Shane Long before his injury.

Not sure about Dorrans. The occasions I've seen him this season he's looked like he'd rather be anywhere but on the pitch.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 25, 2012, 08:05:59 PM
Dorrans has an injured hamstring.

In that case, fair enough.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: labaggies on March 25, 2012, 08:40:56 PM

James Morrison, will not be playing for us next season, so why should we care.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dexy on March 25, 2012, 08:42:20 PM
James Morrison, will not be playing for us next season, so why should we care.
Care to explain?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: albion59 on March 25, 2012, 08:46:05 PM
James Morrison, will not be playing for us next season, so why should we care.
because he is one of ours,and as dexy asks please explain you cant just put that statement on here and  not comment further.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dexy on March 25, 2012, 08:50:14 PM
James Morrison, will not be playing for us next season, so why should we care.
By the way reading the O/S his knee injury doesnt look good so he isnt going anywhere just yet!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on March 25, 2012, 08:53:55 PM
Mozza has given so much this season and generally seem to have taken the club to his heart which makes many fans care about the bloke.

I hope he makes a quick and full recovery.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dexy on March 25, 2012, 08:58:08 PM
Mozza has given so much this season and generally seem to have taken the club to his heart which makes many fans care about the bloke.

I hope he makes a quick and full recovery.
He hasnt had much luck with injuries for a young bloke,he is due a bit of luck.Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: AlbionBest on March 25, 2012, 08:59:16 PM
Mozza has given so much this season and generally seem to have taken the club to his heart which makes many fans care about the bloke.

I hope he makes a quick and full recovery.

Too true, let's hope it's not too bad.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: labaggies on March 25, 2012, 09:02:37 PM
Care to explain?

Sorry I can't, but will be happy to discuss it with you in the summer.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kris_boing on March 25, 2012, 09:11:27 PM
Sorry I can't, but will be happy to discuss it with you in the summer.

Depends on the injury now though doesnt it?  Roy has said its a ligament injury so if its cruciate then it could well scupper his move.
 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: jjb0rdell0 on March 26, 2012, 12:13:26 PM
Out for the rest of the season according to the WBA site, bad news to say the least
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 26, 2012, 12:39:24 PM
What type of challenge was it, my eyes must have been elsewhere. Pitch again possibly?
Seem to recall Brunt and Gera getting injured in similar circumstances
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on March 26, 2012, 12:41:50 PM
No, as I recall it was a 50/50 challenge and his knee took a hard blow from the side, giving it a forceful twist.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: up_the_baggies on March 26, 2012, 01:09:42 PM
Very bad news, been our player of the season!

Could be a chance for Dorrans to step up to the plate.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on March 26, 2012, 01:13:49 PM
Very bad news, been our player of the season!

Could be a chance for Dorrans to step up to the plate.

I hope so UTB wouldnt it be great to see Dozza show some of what we know he is capable of
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on March 26, 2012, 05:16:00 PM
This is Dorrans chance I suppose. Brunt has been off form this season and with Morrison who has been our player of the season now out, I think Dorrans has to give it one last go, even if it is to put himself in the shop window.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on March 26, 2012, 08:03:50 PM
This is Dorrans chance I suppose. Brunt has been off form this season and with Morrison who has been our player of the season now out, I think Dorrans has to give it one last go, even if it is to put himself in the shop window.

If he is injured that is a big ask.

Dorrans hasn't really been fit this season, which is a big worry. Two seasons now have gone down the toilet because of niggling injuries and lack of physical and match sharpness. These constant physical issues do raise the question if we can afford to give him more chances or if we start to look elsewhere.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 27, 2012, 12:43:48 AM
If he is injured that is a big ask.

Dorrans hasn't really been fit this season, which is a big worry. Two seasons now have gone down the toilet because of niggling injuries and lack of physical and match sharpness. These constant physical issues do raise the question if we can afford to give him more chances or if we start to look elsewhere.
What do you think Allan's for? Young promising player from Glasgow, sound familiar?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on March 27, 2012, 01:30:21 AM
Maybe I am naive, but Allan is a winger, and I just saw him as part of the natural evolution of our squad. And didn't Allan said in the club interviewe when he joined that Dorrans encouraged him to sign?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on March 27, 2012, 01:45:59 AM
Allen is just another young player that the club decided to sign, I doubt Dorrans had anything to do with the decision.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on March 27, 2012, 03:34:51 PM
Looks like Mozza might be back before the end of the season

http://www.wba.co.uk/page/News/0,,10366~2694715,00.html
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: AlbionBest on March 27, 2012, 06:51:46 PM
Excellent news after we all feared the worse.

The only problem with Mozza is that he takes a long to to regain his top form after injuries..........
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on March 28, 2012, 04:29:15 AM
Great news if true once secondary scans are carried out.  Been excellent this year and hopefully will see some action before the end of the season and fighting fit for next season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Rich99 on April 08, 2012, 06:29:05 PM
According to Roy we are in talks with him over extending his contract.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 08, 2012, 06:40:12 PM
Is that in an article Rich? could anyone link it if it is as i'm interested to see if a figure comes up
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Rich99 on April 08, 2012, 06:45:11 PM
Is that in an article Rich? could anyone link it if it is as i'm interested to see if a figure comes up

Oh it was just one quote from Roy saying he believes Olsson and Morrison are both in talks over extending their contracts.  There wasn't anything more in depth about it.

"As for players, I believe Jonas Olsson is in talks with the club to extend his contract, as is James Morrison."

Here's the link
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7659493/?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Rich99 on April 29, 2012, 02:24:39 AM
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BB74 on April 29, 2012, 09:13:11 AM
Nice to see a Manager giving his blessing for this. I see Fergie and others havd already started whining!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on April 29, 2012, 09:17:46 AM
I can understand managers complaining when the players are going to Euro 2012, they arent robots they are human beings.

I feel the three overage players will be Beckham, Giggs and Brunt in all fairness
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: stephenpkirk1992 on May 17, 2012, 02:27:49 PM
James Morrison is by far my favourite player at the albion at the moment for several reasons; his work ethic, his technique and the love he seems to have for the albion (my thoughts go back to when RDM was sacked and in an interview James Morrison said something along the lines of "i don't care who the manager is, i just want to play for the albion"). However, i feel like up until recently he seems to have had quite a lot of stick from supporters on here and I just think it's high time that we show our appreciation to a player who i believe will go down in history as one of Albion's greatest servants. I can honestly see him spending his whole career at the albion, i really hope he does. He's our next Bomber Brown.

If you need a little more persuasion, how about when he taunted the wolves fans when we beat them 5-1 by tapping the crest over his heart. Classic

Albion Legend in waiting.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dan on May 17, 2012, 02:28:54 PM
A lot of stick recently? Didn't he just come 2nd in the voting for fans player of the year and has been widely praised for his season?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: stephenpkirk1992 on May 17, 2012, 02:31:42 PM
i said up until recently
up until about half way through the season everyone was asking for him to be dropped
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 17, 2012, 02:33:19 PM
i said up until recently
up until about half way through the season everyone was asking for him to be dropped

And up until the performances from James Morrison improved, quite rightly so.

His performances improved and he quite rightly received the plaudits.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wbarich on May 17, 2012, 02:41:35 PM
i said up until recently
up until about half way through the season everyone was asking for him to be dropped

Couldn't agree moret with you mate. The stick Morrison used to get on here was totally uncalled for and unjustified. He started the first few games quite slowly but for me has been our best outfield player all season. People on here was calling for him to be dropped altogether and saying he isn't even a premiership midfielder. Think he proved them wrong anyway
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 17, 2012, 02:46:25 PM
And up until the performances from James Morrison improved, quite rightly so.

His performances improved and he quite rightly received the plaudits.


Agree, his criticism at the time was justified but along with Foster and Olsson probably our best 3 in the final third.Hope we sign him on a longer deal
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on May 17, 2012, 06:19:06 PM
I actually think Morrison has been one of our best players for the entire season, not just half of it. In the summer I questioned if he might become surplus to requirements but I dont remember him getting too much stick this season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on May 17, 2012, 06:40:40 PM
Morrison's been a relevation. By the looks of it he added 5 pounds of muscle and what a difference it has made to his game. No longer is he easily brushed off the ball which enables him to complete his telling forward passes and take the ball forward himself.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 17, 2012, 10:44:05 PM
I actually think Morrison has been one of our best players for the entire season, not just half of it. In the summer I questioned if he might become surplus to requirements but I dont remember him getting too much stick this season.

He was getting a great deal of stick on here (well he had Dorrans' shirt didn't he  ::) ) virtually up until Blackburn away.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 17, 2012, 10:46:00 PM
He was getting a great deal of stick on here (well he had Dorrans' shirt didn't he  ::) ) virtually up until Blackburn away.

He was getting stick because his performances were not what people expect from him and know what e is capable off.

The constant Dorrans comments are getting just a bit boring now to be honest. You don't rate him, we get it.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 17, 2012, 10:50:03 PM
He was getting stick because his performances were not what people expect from him and know what e is capable off.

The constant Dorrans comments are getting just a bit boring now to be honest. You don't rate him, we get it.

Oldbury, go back and look, it was Morrsion isn't good enough, why is Dorrans on the bench...

If the outcry at the time was for Scharner to feature more I'd have used that as the example, in this case I'm not tongue in cheek and my point on Dorrans I feel is valid.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 17, 2012, 10:52:19 PM
Yes there were people saying give Dorrans a chance, how does that mean he was taking Dorrans shirt ?

Morrison was going through a poor spell, he's more attacked minded than Scharner and so is Dorrans hence why no-one was asking for Scharner.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: KingKoren on May 17, 2012, 10:54:02 PM
Surely the Arsenal game demonstrates that Morrison and Dorrans can play together. They are both very good players; I'm not sure who is he superior player- to be honest I don't care.   ;D
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wbarich on May 18, 2012, 02:19:03 PM
Yes there were people saying give Dorrans a chance, how does that mean he was taking Dorrans shirt ?

Morrison was going through a poor spell, he's more attacked minded than Scharner and so is Dorrans hence why no-one was asking for Scharner.

Morrison was only going through a bad spell when he was being played out of position on the left wing early in the season. I agree with Jacko, people were calling for him to be dropped and Dorrans to replace him constantly. The stick Morrison got was pathetic and embarassing
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 18, 2012, 02:33:05 PM
Morrison was only going through a bad spell when he was being played out of position on the left wing early in the season. I agree with Jacko, people were calling for him to be dropped and Dorrans to replace him constantly. The stick Morrison got was pathetic and embarassing

People were calling for him to be dropped and replaced by Dorrans who is the only other attack minded midfielder we had, its normal when a player is not playing well for people to ask for someone else to come in and get a chance.

As for the stick being pathetic and embarrassing, theres a lot of that on here at times about other players but that seems to be overlooked when its a player not rated by some.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on May 18, 2012, 02:39:22 PM
Morrison got the criticism he deserved for a mediocre 2010-2011 season which continued into the start of last season. People wanted him to be dropped because he wasn't playing well. End of. Of course people wanted Dorrans to replace him - 'replace attacking midfielder who's off form with other attacking midfielder', who else was supposed to replace Morrison? (bar Gera who wasn't fit yet) When he started playing really well again he got the praise he deserved.

If Morrison goes through another bad patch will there be comments saying that the praise he got was 'pathetic and embarrassing'?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wbarich on May 18, 2012, 02:48:18 PM
People were calling for him to be dropped and replaced by Dorrans who is the only other attack minded midfielder we had, its normal when a player is not playing well for people to ask for someone else to come in and get a chance.

As for the stick being pathetic and embarrassing, theres a lot of that on here at times about other players but that seems to be overlooked when its a player not rated by some.

At the very start of the season (when out of position) i agree his performances deserved to be questioned BUT there was people on here who were saying we should sell him and he is far too lightweight to play in midfield and that he's awful and nowhere near good enough. That was the pathetic criticism i was talking about. Just glad he's proved them all wrong like i said he would by being our best outfield player all season
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 18, 2012, 02:52:49 PM
At the very start of the season (when out of position) i agree his performances deserved to be questioned BUT there was people on here who were saying we should sell him and he is far too lightweight to play in midfield and that he's awful and nowhere near good enough. That was the pathetic criticism i was talking about. Just glad he's proved them all wrong like i said he would by being our best outfield player all season

Unfortunately you will always get an over-reaction both positive and negative towards all players. Some of the abuse is I agree pathetic and some of the praise is just as cringeworthy and just as over the top.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 18, 2012, 02:54:12 PM
need to be tied down to a long term contract, the way hes improving he could be an integral part of side for years to come!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Tipton Baggie on May 18, 2012, 03:58:49 PM
seems as though hes bulked up alot, tends to have more a free role now and is able to shoot on site, my player of the season
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on May 23, 2012, 07:28:52 PM
Article about Morrison from a Scotland perspective.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/102754-online-writers-player-of-the-year-5-james-morrison/?

Online Writers' Player of the Year #5 - James Morrison

It's now five years since James Morrison was persuaded to commit his international future to Scotland by then manager Alex McLeish.

Five years too since the 21 year old Morrison left Middlesbrough to join Tony Mowbray's West Bromwich Albion and four years since his decision to wrap himself in the Saltire was rewarded with a first cap.

Since then he's suffered relegation and enjoyed promotion, he's seen club and international managers come and go and he's quietly but effectively established himself as a consistent presence in the English Premier League and an automatic inclusion in Craig Levein's Scotland squad.

It's a steady and impressive progression but not one that has silenced all the doubters. In Scotland the brickbats are thrown still when Morrison is picked for international duty by Craig Levein.

He suffers, I think, for reasons outwith his control. West Brom remain a resolutely unfashionable club, there remains a lingering distrust of the SFA's policy of recruiting "Anglos" and there's a sizeable number who are convinced that Craig Levein can do no right.

He seems commendably unperturbed by all that. Over the course of his 20 caps he's grown in stature in a Scotland shirt and, still only 25, he looks set to become one of the key senior players over the course of the squad's next couple of campaigns.

Domestically he's been a key player as Roy Hodgson has quietly and effectively turned West Brom into a lean, mean survival machine.

Five goals from 30 league games is a reasonable - if not eye catching - return for a midfielder in a mid-table English Premier League side but it does illustrate the attacking threat of a player integral to West Brom's success this year. Roy Hodgson, now the latest man to try his luck at dragging England from the shadow of Alf Ramsay, has masterminded his success. Hodgson's trust in Morrison proves that this is a player who combines attacking intent with an admirable work ethic.

Flair and toil. Toil and flair. Few Scotland manager's can resist those twin attractions. For Craig Levein it is the stuff of dreams, for his preferred tactics to work Levein needs midfielders who'll work their socks off as a defensive unit and get forward to support the lone wolf striker. It's a sound enough plan if you can find the players to execute it.

In which light the continued emergence of James Morrison this season might be seen as the continued emergence of a player who is absolutely critical to our international hopes. Maybe next season we'll even learn to love him.

Tom Hall is the editor of the (Scottish Football Blog)[http://www.scottishfootballblog.co.uk/]. You can follow them on (Twitter)[https://twitter.com/#!/ScotFootBlog].
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 23, 2012, 08:06:21 PM
Article about Morrison from a Scotland perspective.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/102754-online-writers-player-of-the-year-5-james-morrison/?

Online Writers' Player of the Year #5 - James Morrison

It's now five years since James Morrison was persuaded to commit his international future to Scotland by then manager Alex McLeish.

Five years too since the 21 year old Morrison left Middlesbrough to join Tony Mowbray's West Bromwich Albion and four years since his decision to wrap himself in the Saltire was rewarded with a first cap.

Since then he's suffered relegation and enjoyed promotion, he's seen club and international managers come and go and he's quietly but effectively established himself as a consistent presence in the English Premier League and an automatic inclusion in Craig Levein's Scotland squad.

It's a steady and impressive progression but not one that has silenced all the doubters. In Scotland the brickbats are thrown still when Morrison is picked for international duty by Craig Levein.

He suffers, I think, for reasons outwith his control. West Brom remain a resolutely unfashionable club, there remains a lingering distrust of the SFA's policy of recruiting "Anglos" and there's a sizeable number who are convinced that Craig Levein can do no right.

He seems commendably unperturbed by all that. Over the course of his 20 caps he's grown in stature in a Scotland shirt and, still only 25, he looks set to become one of the key senior players over the course of the squad's next couple of campaigns.

Domestically he's been a key player as Roy Hodgson has quietly and effectively turned West Brom into a lean, mean survival machine.

Five goals from 30 league games is a reasonable - if not eye catching - return for a midfielder in a mid-table English Premier League side but it does illustrate the attacking threat of a player integral to West Brom's success this year. Roy Hodgson, now the latest man to try his luck at dragging England from the shadow of Alf Ramsay, has masterminded his success. Hodgson's trust in Morrison proves that this is a player who combines attacking intent with an admirable work ethic.

Flair and toil. Toil and flair. Few Scotland manager's can resist those twin attractions. For Craig Levein it is the stuff of dreams, for his preferred tactics to work Levein needs midfielders who'll work their socks off as a defensive unit and get forward to support the lone wolf striker. It's a sound enough plan if you can find the players to execute it.

In which light the continued emergence of James Morrison this season might be seen as the continued emergence of a player who is absolutely critical to our international hopes. Maybe next season we'll even learn to love him.

Tom Hall is the editor of the (Scottish Football Blog)[http://www.scottishfootballblog.co.uk/]. You can follow them on (Twitter)[https://twitter.com/#!/ScotFootBlog].

Top class Premier League midfielder and with the downfall of Fletcher probably Scotland's most important player.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on May 24, 2012, 10:27:47 PM
Produced the pass of the season for me - 1st time left foot pass to put Cox in (think against Norwich in the cup). Sublime, high degree of difficulty, got it spot on - Cox couldn't slot it past Ruddy.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on June 19, 2012, 07:40:34 PM
If Ben Foster hadnt come in and made such an impact then James Morrison for me would have been easily our player of the season. The improvement in his game under Roy was immense. From being a skillful tippy tappy midfielder he developed into a combative, creative all round midfielder that seemed to be able to influence games on a regular basis. I wonder whether SC might consider him as a player we could build around next season. Under Roy he did play centre, right and left on the odd occasion as required. Could he become our "Frank Lampard" the central creative player around which the team functions. Perhaps moving Mulumbu back in front of the back four right behind as SC would have coached Essien.
Either way I feel he has  possibly arrived as a genuine class PL player?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: collins101 on June 19, 2012, 09:51:53 PM
Top player, recenty watched the highlights from the Wolves away and Arsenal home games which made me realise how important he was !
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie79 on June 19, 2012, 10:54:53 PM
It is weird how opinions differ but for all the hype I still think he is a player who produces the odd moment of class but in general is a lightweight bang average midfielder. Just my personal opinion but I suppose three or four managers have kissed his arse and im sure they know way more than me but if we didn't have differing opinions this forum wouldn't be very entertaining would it.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 19, 2012, 11:08:05 PM
It is weird how opinions differ but for all the hype I still think he is a player who produces the odd moment of class but in general is a lightweight bang average midfielder. Just my personal opinion but I suppose three or four managers have kissed his arse and im sure they know way more than me but if we didn't have differing opinions this forum wouldn't be very entertaining would it.


Surely the managers in question have utilised their superior knowledge to your good self as you say, including regular access to the player in training and his attitude around the club and just decided he is one of our three or four best midfielders??
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MICKYMEL on June 20, 2012, 12:17:35 PM
Have always wanted my centre mid players to be big and powerful such as viera, keane etc, but the likes of xavi/iniesta prove that 'lightweight' players like morrison can go on to be top players too.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: westbrom87 on June 20, 2012, 12:58:55 PM
It is weird how opinions differ but for all the hype I still think he is a player who produces the odd moment of class but in general is a lightweight bang average midfielder. Just my personal opinion but I suppose three or four managers have kissed his arse and im sure they know way more than me but if we didn't have differing opinions this forum wouldn't be very entertaining would it.

Got to be honest, I think this time last year I'd have pretty much agreed with you about him being average.  I just never seemed to notice him in games.

However, this season he has been absolutly superb and as somebody has said above, if we didnt have the 2nd best keeper this country has in goal, he would have walked away with player of the season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WSBaggie on June 21, 2012, 06:16:50 PM
Got to be honest, I think this time last year I'd have pretty much agreed with you about him being average.  I just never seemed to notice him in games.

However, this season he has been absolutly superb and as somebody has said above, if we didnt have the 2nd best keeper this country has in goal, he would have walked away with player of the season.

Well said he was incredibly hard done by to not win player of the season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: westbrom3wolves0 on June 23, 2012, 08:13:53 PM
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: maccbaggie on June 23, 2012, 08:42:20 PM
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: westbrom3wolves0 on June 23, 2012, 08:46:45 PM
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tipton baggie 80 on July 22, 2012, 12:29:34 PM
http://t.co/9Muu1UCt

Read this yesterday, but I don't think its been covered anywhere on here.

Thought it deserved a post as for me, for about 18 months now, James Morrison has been our best midfielder. Never seems to get the recognition or plaudits he deserves with some of the other favourites our fans have, so nice to see his talents acknowledged. Well done Jimmy! Keep it up!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mike on July 22, 2012, 12:35:16 PM
Worrying that there's been no news on a new contract.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on July 22, 2012, 03:55:34 PM
What's his current contract situation ? I think for our best games as a 4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1) last year, we had Morrison in CM with Mulumbu, including one of our best team displays 1-3 defeat to Spurs at home.   
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: spencer Baggie on July 22, 2012, 09:07:30 PM
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 14, 2012, 10:56:27 AM
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mossi28 on September 14, 2012, 10:56:49 AM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/mozza-signs-new-deal-366768.aspx

Great news! Now on to Jonas.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 14, 2012, 11:14:14 AM
 Absolutely Massive. Nice one James
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: up_the_baggies on September 14, 2012, 11:21:21 AM
Great news!

He will be a massive part in Albion's next 4 years.

Brilliant to see how much he's grown as a player since he joined us.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kris_boing on September 14, 2012, 11:24:15 AM
Excellent news.  He has been fantastic for us and chuffed we've got him on a long term deal.   Was worried he would be leaving at the end of last season.
 
One of the first names on the teamsheet for me.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: DownInAlbion on September 14, 2012, 01:20:42 PM
Waking up to this has made my day. Thank you James!!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tommi on September 14, 2012, 01:31:43 PM
Great news.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Sessegod on September 14, 2012, 02:36:33 PM
great news that the players want to stay at our fantastic club... come on Jonas a little squiggle on a piece of paper and we are all good.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on September 14, 2012, 04:26:30 PM
A player who I felt had been left behind after his injuries but the work hes put in to improve his game is something to be commended as Kris says hes the first name on the teamsheet virtually now.

He seems a true professional and a bloke who once is happy and settled somewhere doesnt see the need in keep jumping to the next better deal very much akin to Ben Foster.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 14, 2012, 04:37:17 PM
I was critical of him early last season but like all the good players, they come back and respond with performances which prove you wrong. Since, November his performances have been consistently good and that's all we ask for from our players. Morrison has delievered and earned himself a new contract.

Keep it up Mozza!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 14, 2012, 04:58:06 PM
I'm a big fan of Morrison, most of the goals that he has scored have been sublime, really has improved his game over the last couple of season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: gerry m on September 14, 2012, 05:43:50 PM
exellent news! his vast experience is always going to be vital for us.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: CL3MO on September 14, 2012, 06:35:59 PM
i gave him so much stick a year and a half ago and I thought his time with us was up, and rightly so, as he wasn't contributing enough to the game.

However, what a turn around! He's been nothing short of a revelation since then and he completely deserves the terms on his new contract.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: divinewind on September 14, 2012, 06:44:37 PM
Fantastic news.Mozza is just reaching his peak and we will benefit from it.

nailed his colours to our mast,these are the sort of players i like.

Now lets get Jonas signed up.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 14, 2012, 09:46:41 PM
Great news. Mozza has been a top peformer for us and looks like he has stepped up to the next level as a player.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: mateinone on September 14, 2012, 10:40:15 PM
Great news for Morrison.

The problem with signing Jonas?
I tend to think that we need to be top 6-8 at Christmas to convince him we can take the next step...
Now the problems with that is that if we are in fact top 6-8, then Olsson is likely to be commanding more cash than we can afford in our wage structure.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: AlbionBest on September 14, 2012, 10:59:28 PM
Excellent news...............he's still one of the Premiership's best kept secrets !!!   ;)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: up_the_baggies on September 14, 2012, 11:13:39 PM
Also,a rejuvenated player under Hodgson. Hodgson (unrightfully in my opinion) receives a lot of critics by a certain section of supporters - but it's completely apparent the way he helped Mozza to become the player he is now. 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WSBaggie on September 15, 2012, 01:12:25 AM
Also,a rejuvenated player under Hodgson. Hodgson (unrightfully in my opinion) receives a lot of critics by a certain section of supporters - but it's completely apparent the way he helped Mozza to become the player he is now.

Yes I can imagine the input Hodgson had into Morrison's game was incredible. No coincidence he came on leaps and bounds during Hodgson's time with us making the switch from out wide to central midfield.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Webby on September 15, 2012, 09:51:54 AM
Good ole Jimmy, given us years of great service long may it continue
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: jsam on September 15, 2012, 12:14:50 PM
Delighted he's re-signed (I nearly wrote resigned, which would have not been the same thing!). I also like how he's thanking the fans for their support during those yo-yo days.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on September 15, 2012, 01:57:39 PM
Good player Good club man. Not inconceivable that his decision could be vindicated with some silverware at some point in the near future. I expect some of our other senior players to follow suit.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on September 15, 2012, 09:07:31 PM
 Thought he was our best player today, though that wasn't really hard  ???

Just looks so lively in attack at times, if he continues he could easily be our player of the season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: geoff on September 16, 2012, 10:52:07 AM
A well deserved extension to his contract for all the hard work he puts into ever game.
Another good sign of a happy dressing room & long may it continue.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 16, 2012, 10:58:05 AM
From what I saw, I thought he has a decent game Yesterday. I'm really pleased about singing a contract, been a great players for us.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tipton baggie 80 on September 23, 2012, 11:00:48 AM
Have to say he was excellent again yesterday. Had the 2 best shots on target, both of which brought excellent saves from Reading's keeper. He's fast becoming my favourite player at the shrine. Not just for his performances (which have been of a consistently high level for 18 months) but also because of his attitude. He doesnt appear to seek fame / fortune, there's never any talk of him wanting away, he never sulks or moans at others, and appears genuinely happy here. Unfortunately because of his unassuming nature I dont think he gets the recognition he deserves.

If he continues as he is, and extends his stay as our longest serving player for the next four years or more, I think he should rightly be considered in the same breath as Taylor, Clement, Moore etc, all modern day club legends.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kc56wba on September 23, 2012, 12:39:42 PM
Have to say he was excellent again yesterday. Had the 2 best shots on target, both of which brought excellent saves from Reading's keeper. He's fast becoming my favourite player at the shrine. Not just for his performances (which have been of a consistently high level for 18 months) but also because of his attitude. He doesnt appear to seek fame / fortune, there's never any talk of him wanting away, he never sulks or moans at others, and appears genuinely happy here. Unfortunately because of his unassuming nature I dont think he gets the recognition he deserves.

If he continues as he is, and extends his stay as our longest serving player for the next four years or more, I think he should rightly be considered in the same breath as Taylor, Clement, Moore etc, all modern day club legends.
Tipton me mon, totally agree
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies on October 08, 2012, 11:05:30 PM
We have all had a laugh at Garth Crooks expense after stating Roy Hodgson should consider Morrison, but it did get me thinking, did Morrison make a mistake in picking Scotland too early?

He only qualifies for Scotland through his grandparents and would probably have chosen England if they had tried, but did he make the right decision?

Scotlands fans have never been sure about him, and he does appear to be a player that suits some systems rather than others, but he seems to be hitting a vein of form these last few years where has arguably been our best player. He is one of the most "continental" midfielders in the premier league, being able to spot passes higher up the pitch than a Joe Allen and maybe there would have been room for him in the current England squad.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dan on October 08, 2012, 11:12:08 PM
Definitely should have waited, seems to be unfairly targetted by Scotland fans. I presume because Levein regularly praises him, and they hate Levein so Morrison gets disliked by proxy. For example against Serbia they absolutely slated him, yet of about the 4 chances they had, 3 were directly set up by Morrison.

Considering England's midfield options in the centre are incredibly weak, there's virtually no one aside from perhaps Cleverley (I guess Wilshere as well if he regains fitness) at the moment who's under 30 and is particularly impressive. Hence people as average as Livermore getting caps. He'd be a shoe in under Hodgson, who clearly highly rates him, certainly he'd be around the squad.

Technically good on the ball, good at incisive passing and a pretty handy dribbler, these are skills England severely lack in the their emerging generation of midfielders. People like Henderson and Rodwell are safety first players who don't have much range and certainly aren't going to open teams up.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tipton baggie 80 on October 08, 2012, 11:14:35 PM
I was going to start this very topic  ;)

I think he's got better each year, to the point now where he is arguably our best player as you say. And yes, I think as things stand, he'd certainly make the England squad (if not start).

Unfortunately for James, this was something that you couldn't see happening when he made his choice. There were just too many players in front of him / he was a shadow of the player he is now.

As to whether the decision he made was the right one, on balance of probability - at the time of making it - I would say yes it was for him. He got to play international football against the likes of Spain etc when it wasn't conceivable he would get a chance with England.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Quakes Fan on October 08, 2012, 11:22:10 PM
Watch him play for Scotland. Better yet, go back and watch his past games for Scotland. He has shown very little of the brilliance he has shown for us. As Baggies says:

Scotlands fans have never been sure about him, and he does appear to be a player that suits some systems rather than others, but he seems to be hitting a vein of form these last few years where has arguably been our best player.

Thanks to us, Scotland fans have the luxury of seeing what he could do, if their managers weren't always playing for 1-0.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Webby on October 09, 2012, 01:07:58 PM
I think he would have been a squad player getting the odd cap in meaningless friendlies here and there.

I know England haven't delivered but if you look at the players on paper he would have had to dislodge for major tournaments he probably thought there was no chance.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Pseudo_Intel on October 09, 2012, 01:21:56 PM
Morrison is a clever player. He shows glimpses of it playing for Scotland but the system doesn't allow him the freedom that ours offers.

I think he's also targetted by Scotland fans but simply because they want to see Celtic/Ex-rangers players playing for Scotland. I mean - Commons over Mozza ffs?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: saml30 on October 09, 2012, 01:36:41 PM
Did you know? West Brom have won only 24% of the Premier League games in which James Morrison has started for them compared to 39% when he has not started (since his debut)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 09, 2012, 01:40:00 PM
Morrison is a clever player. He shows glimpses of it playing for Scotland but the system doesn't allow him the freedom that ours offers.

I think he's also targetted by Scotland fans but simply because they want to see Celtic/Ex-rangers players playing for Scotland. I mean - Commons over Mozza ffs?

Don't neccesarily agree with your second sentence.

Generally the abuse Morrison will receive will due to him being English, as well as him being close to Craig Levein who isn't their cup of tea at the moment added to his performances which are nothing like what they are for us. Saying Scotland fans want to see their Celtic/Rangers players is strange considering the majority of Scottish football fans have a strong dislike to both clubs and people that represent them, add to that, the squads are made of up of very few Rangers/Celtic connections.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on October 09, 2012, 03:53:41 PM
Did you know? West Brom have won only 24% of the Premier League games in which James Morrison has started for them compared to 39% when he has not started (since his debut)

That is a meaningless statistic that probably only tells you that Morrison has been here long enough to have played 30 times for the rather mediocre Mowbray side of 2008/9.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: saml30 on October 09, 2012, 04:02:12 PM
That is a meaningless statistic that probably only tells you that Morrison has been here long enough to have played 30 times for the rather mediocre Mowbray side of 2008/9.

I completely agree, I just saw it and thought I would share it, it insinuates we are a better team without him which is complete rubbish, also remember he was out for pretty much the whole season when we got promoted and a shed load of points   
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on October 09, 2012, 04:12:13 PM
We have all had a laugh at Garth Crooks expense after stating Roy Hodgson should consider Morrison, but it did get me thinking, did Morrison make a mistake in picking Scotland too early?

He only qualifies for Scotland through his grandparents and would probably have chosen England if they had tried, but did he make the right decision?

Scotlands fans have never been sure about him, and he does appear to be a player that suits some systems rather than others, but he seems to be hitting a vein of form these last few years where has arguably been our best player. He is one of the most "continental" midfielders in the premier league, being able to spot passes higher up the pitch than a Joe Allen and maybe there would have been room for him in the current England squad.

A very good point Baggies. I think had he waited he would now be very much in the mind of any England manager. But you can see it from his point of view. As a young player international recognition would be top of his footballing ambitions and lets face it when your turning out for Middlesborough most of the London Mafia have never been there let alone thought that anyone could make the England team. Had he come through the ranks at Spurs Arsenal Chelsea etc they would have been extolling his virtues from the rooftops. I guess he just thought this is my best opportunity take it while its there and judging by his Scotland career so far it looks a decent decision
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 09, 2012, 05:35:45 PM
I feel a bit sorry for Morrison, he plays for a National team which are so defensive its unrealy even against teams they could easily beat at home.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Zigga Zagga on October 10, 2012, 08:30:53 PM
He made the correct ecision,
If Derek Statham couldn't get caps for england Mozza wouldn't, he plays for an unfashionable midland club called west brom
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Bilston Dan on October 11, 2012, 10:43:21 AM
He's come on leaps and bounds in the past few seasons. I mean I thought he was a talented footballer when he first signed for us but now he is showing he's a top player. He's direct and looks to do something rather than just give off an easy 5 yard pass. It's a shame really as I think he'd have a really good chance of getting into the England team, he's definitely got the ability.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: katadamick on October 11, 2012, 12:07:19 PM
Did you know? West Brom have won only 24% of the Premier League games in which James Morrison has started for them compared to 39% when he has not started (since his debut)

You can get statistics to say what you like. I was told there's lies Damn lies and statistics
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Bilston Dan on October 11, 2012, 12:12:44 PM
You can get statistics to say what you like. I was told there's lies Damn lies and statistics

Quoted by Lyndon B. Johnson, who also came out with a great quote, "don't p*** down my back and tell me it's raining."

You're right though, statistics are easy to manipulate.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Greenock Baggie on October 11, 2012, 12:29:49 PM
Quoted by Lyndon B. Johnson, who also came out with a great quote, "don't p*** down my back and tell me it's raining."

You're right though, statistics are easy to manipulate.
Also quoted on the film " The Outlaw Josey Wales"
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on October 11, 2012, 03:14:57 PM
At best Morrison would get maybe 3 caps for England in various un-needed friendlies or obscure qualifiers, the same way the likes of Jarvis, Davies, Hendrie, Carson, Wright, Bothroyd et al have. Then, there's slightly less obscure ones such as Jenas, Dyer, Wright-Phillips, Downing, Carroll, Agbonlahor, Sinclair down the years who have all played 10+ times and looking back you really wonder how...

My point is, with Scotland he can at least get game time and be really appreciated. Ok, he'll never have true glory or the thrill of playing at Wembley but I think the mass of games he'll play for Scotland (70+?) will be well worth it.

Realistically he'd have to replace one of Gerrard, Lampard, Parker, Wilshere for a chance of 'more than 1 cap' which he will probably never do.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: KingKoren on October 14, 2012, 01:47:16 PM
Morrison would never of been a regular for England, even with the Hodgson connection. Playing for Scotland has afforded him the opportunity to play the likes of Spain and Brazil; I very much doubt (and don't think) he should regret his decision.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 14, 2012, 06:06:18 PM
I would think that he would have had the odd cap for England in a friendly, or in a game like San Marino, but not a first team regular.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on October 14, 2012, 07:25:55 PM
At best Morrison would get maybe 3 caps for England in various un-needed friendlies or obscure qualifiers, the same way the likes of Jarvis, Davies, Hendrie, Carson, Wright, Bothroyd et al have. Then, there's slightly less obscure ones such as Jenas, Dyer, Wright-Phillips, Downing, Carroll, Agbonlahor, Sinclair down the years who have all played 10+ times and looking back you really wonder how...

My point is, with Scotland he can at least get game time and be really appreciated. Ok, he'll never have true glory or the thrill of playing at Wembley but I think the mass of games he'll play for Scotland (70+?) will be well worth it.

Realistically he'd have to replace one of Gerrard, Lampard, Parker, Wilshere for a chance of 'more than 1 cap' which he will probably never do.

All of which play for fashionable stroke London teams and are courted by the fleet street press. Every England manager in my lifetime has quickly realised the need to keep them happy. Im not suggesting they pick the side but you know what i mean...............
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Reddiebaggie on November 11, 2012, 10:27:42 PM
Withdrawn from the Scotland squad groin injury
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: j_dog_1980 on November 11, 2012, 10:55:32 PM
Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy Morrison!!!!!!! Great goal and been an inspiration this season! Keep it up!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 12, 2012, 08:23:19 AM
Withdrawn from the Scotland squad groin injury

Hope he isnt not out for too long, could be a big blow missing Mozza.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 12, 2012, 08:30:15 AM
Hope he isnt not out for too long, could be a big blow missing Mozza.
More likely that he's dropped out for the injury he's just come back from, O/S article states he's expected to train all week.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: divinewind on November 12, 2012, 09:26:43 PM
Our own Steve Gerrard.I can't praise the bloke enough.How he has matured in the time since he joined us is amazing.Can run,pass,dribble,packs a shot in both feet,and for a little bloke can get up and power in a header.

I am deadly serious when i say that if he continues like this he will be mentioned in the same breath as Clive Clark and Tony Brown.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on November 13, 2012, 07:26:27 AM
Our own Steve Gerrard.I can't praise the bloke enough.How he has matured in the time since he joined us is amazing.Can run,pass,dribble,packs a shot in both feet,and for a little bloke can get up and power in a header.

I am deadly serious when i say that if he continues like this he will be mentioned in the same breath as Clive Clark and Tony Brown.

While of course his record on paper is never going to compare with The Bomber if he were to see his career out with us then he "will" rightly become an Albion legend
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Albionwarrior on November 13, 2012, 07:30:14 AM
Isn't it great to see the Club have faith in a player by giving him a 4 year contract and then watch him produce consistency like he is doing.  Stability in the current climate cannot be overstated - Love it

 8)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: overseas baggie on November 13, 2012, 08:05:35 AM

Undoubtedly one of the most improved players in the Premiership.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 13, 2012, 08:22:26 AM
More likely that he's dropped out for the injury he's just come back from, O/S article states he's expected to train all week.

That sounds much more promisng then. I would say he has been one of our best players so far this season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 01, 2013, 05:37:07 PM
Thought Mozza was poor today, in fact don't think he's played well since Swansea. We need him firing definitely!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dexy on January 01, 2013, 05:40:26 PM
Thought Mozza was poor today, in fact don't think he's played well since Swansea. We need him firing definitely!
Playing the system we do you need your front man to hold the ball and bring the attacking midfielder into play more , today Lukaku didn't do that once.Not those two players fault mind more Clarke's for picking the wrong team.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 01, 2013, 05:42:37 PM
Arguably our most influential player has turned into our most flattest player within a few weeks. The side is not helped when our midfield trio are having off days, one performing bad you can get away with but when there are three which don't perform it makes it extremely hard to create anything or have an impact on the game. I can't quite pinpoint what it is with Morrison. He was superb in the early stages of the season but he's gone off the boil. Just like several others have done.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 01, 2013, 05:45:32 PM
Arguably our most influential player has turned into our most flattest player within a few weeks. The side is not helped when our midfield trio are having off days, one performing bad you can get away with but when there are three which don't perform it makes it extremely hard to create anything or have an impact on the game. I can't quite pinpoint what it is with Morrison. He was superb in the early stages of the season but he's gone off the boil. Just like several others have done.

I know I was going to bring a Gera thread to the top as well but I couldn't find one...
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on January 01, 2013, 05:51:10 PM
Arguably our most influential player has turned into our most flattest player within a few weeks. The side is not helped when our midfield trio are having off days, one performing bad you can get away with but when there are three which don't perform it makes it extremely hard to create anything or have an impact on the game. I can't quite pinpoint what it is with Morrison. He was superb in the early stages of the season but he's gone off the boil. Just like several others have done.

He signed a new 4 year contract didn't he? Looks like he had a reaction to that and took his foot off the pedal a bit...

Or maybe he doesn't like the heavier pitches this time of year. I'm not best pleased with his performances lately, his position is so important to our team and the player there simply has to perform.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dexy on January 01, 2013, 06:14:14 PM
His better games have come with Long in front of him, again i think rotating the team has a lot to do with Mozza's form.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 02, 2013, 09:36:57 AM
He wasn't at his best Yesterday, I thought he had a quiet game.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 02, 2013, 12:52:10 PM
I've gave Mulumbu a grilling for it and now it's his turn. Allowing Berbatov to stroll forward in the build up to the second goal isn't good enough. When he actually realises the danger it ends up being too late and Berbatov ends up scoring. Having seen it again, I thought it was typical of his incredibly flat performance.

I'm just amazed that Berbatov can stroll into the penalty box with all the time in the world  ::)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on January 02, 2013, 12:58:38 PM
When Rafa came in at Chelsea he said the players weren't in top shape and had them work out more.

I have a feeling our players need a dose of reality and to be made to sweat a bit, God knows they don't sweat a lot in the games lately as they just stroll around at 40% tempo. Looking at the other games yesterday all of them were played in much higher tempo than our dreadful showing.

When did we become so incredibly lazy? Is it Clarke? Is it the players?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 02, 2013, 01:49:54 PM
When Rafa came in at Chelsea he said the players weren't in top shape and had them work out more.

I have a feeling our players need a dose of reality and to be made to sweat a bit, God knows they don't sweat a lot in the games lately as they just stroll around at 40% tempo. Looking at the other games yesterday all of them were played in much higher tempo than our dreadful showing.

When did we become so incredibly lazy? Is it Clarke? Is it the players?
I'm with you...
2nd half v qpr (at home) we came out like we had just eaten a Sunday dinner, v west ham we (again) looked slow and tired, Swansea I don't think we touched the ball until they were two up?
However when we play high tempo and go at teams (Everton,Sunderland,Liverpool , man city) we look bloody dangerous.
It is all about opinions and the one that really counts is Steve Clarke , but surely someone will be asking questions soon?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Geralegend on February 04, 2013, 02:01:42 AM
Mozza's been shocking lately. His challenge on Bale in the lead up to the goal was pathetic! Saying that, Clarke should take some of the blame for devising a formation where Mozza actually has defensive responsibilities. We should either go back to 4-2-3-1 with Mozza as the number 10 in behind Long/Lukaku or play 4-4-2 and drop him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 04, 2013, 08:22:02 AM
I thought that he didn't have his best of games Yesterday, however I do feel that he should be playing higher just behind the striker is where he is at his best.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on February 04, 2013, 08:47:55 AM
Without doubt his best games come when he's pushed further forward, maybe this will happen once Mulumbu and Yacob are firing on all cylinders
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 04, 2013, 08:48:20 AM
Jimmy Krankie has gone off the boil
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 04, 2013, 10:45:50 AM
Was well off the pace yesterday, give him a rest/drop him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mister AT on February 04, 2013, 12:36:05 PM
His best position is just behind the striker.

Hasnt been able to play there effectively since the Reading game.

Think he plays his best when Mulumbu and Yacob are protecting behind him.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on February 04, 2013, 01:17:29 PM
I hate seeing Morrison in as a central midfielder in a 442 if we go to that formation I would rather see him wide right. So yesterday he was probably fair to say that he was out of position which does not play to his strengths and exposes his weaknesses, however that does not excuse him from doing the basics right and just too much of his work was sloppy.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: maximus on February 04, 2013, 01:27:30 PM
I'm not his greatest fan in truth, I feel his consistently inconsistent, Way too lightweight and runs into no mans land most of the time. You can count on one hand the games where he has played well. Behind the striker is such an important role and for me personally he go's missing too many times.

A good model pro though.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on February 04, 2013, 01:43:33 PM
Where has he been since November?

He played well against Reading, but then he was playing against a player completely new to the PL that looked like a deer in the headlights. He is a senior pro and simply has to contribute more consistently. Even in his preferred position it is far too easy to take him out of the game and then he has no plan b how to cope.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: phbaggies on February 04, 2013, 01:44:52 PM
I'm not his greatest fan on truth, I feel his consistently inconsistent, Way too lightweight and runs into no mans land most of the time. You can count on one hand the games where he has played well. Behind the striker is such an important role and for me personally he go's missing too many times.

A good model pro though.
Are you serious?? How big are your hands?? How often have you watched Albion over the last couple of years? JM has been one of our most improved, consistent and reliable players in the squad! Agreed he is not at his best at the moment but who is??
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: maximus on February 04, 2013, 02:08:08 PM
Are you serious?? How big are your hands?? How often have you watched Albion over the last couple of years? JM has been one of our most improved, consistent and reliable players in the squad! Agreed he is not at his best at the moment but who is??
I'm judging him this season, And on my left hand he has played well in 5 games, My right hand is still open for the remainder of the season. Too lightweight and for someone who has been at the club for years i still dont think we know what his best position is. A fit gera would always get the AM position ahead of Morrison.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 06, 2013, 10:31:22 PM
Once Mulumbu and Yacob ar eback then no doubt Morrison will be pushed up higher, and can hopefully get a couple of goals for us.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: costa blanca baggie on February 07, 2013, 12:08:21 AM
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rubyruby on February 07, 2013, 05:28:09 PM
I'm not his greatest fan in truth, I feel his consistently inconsistent, Way too lightweight and runs into no mans land most of the time. You can count on one hand the games where he has played well. Behind the striker is such an important role and for me personally he go's missing too many times.

A good model pro though.

Worrying because he has been our best midfielder by some way this season. What would that say about the rest. Personally think he has maintained a very good standard this year. His best at the Baggies.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tommcneill on February 08, 2013, 12:21:46 PM
Our own Steve Gerrard.I can't praise the bloke enough.How he has matured in the time since he joined us is amazing.Can run,pass,dribble,packs a shot in both feet,and for a little bloke can get up and power in a header.

I am deadly serious when i say that if he continues like this he will be mentioned in the same breath as Clive Clark and Tony Brown.

My Dad says the exact same thing....he says he is an Albion player through and through
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tommcneill on February 08, 2013, 12:24:01 PM
Personally I think he is our future captain
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 08, 2013, 12:48:39 PM
Top player, top pro, footballer of real quality, get off his back the moaners, you have never had it so good! :P
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tommcneill on February 08, 2013, 12:51:42 PM
I dont know why but I see a youngish Bryan Robson
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tommcneill on February 08, 2013, 12:52:52 PM
Players that have come from the North East have always excelled at the Albion
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 08, 2013, 12:59:43 PM
Players that have come from the North East have always excelled at the Albion

David Mills! :o ;D
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: jonasyoulegend on February 08, 2013, 01:44:40 PM
are people forgetting he was rubbish until he played under Roy?!?!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: leeiswba on February 08, 2013, 01:57:07 PM
are people forgetting he was rubbish until he played under Roy?!?!

I would say he was one of the best players for us 08/09 season under Mowbray.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: lewisant on February 08, 2013, 02:18:38 PM
I would say he was one of the best players for us 08/09 season under Mowbray.

Id say the best player. He got that injury, struggled when he came back then proven us all wrong, i was a doubter then. I'd prefer to see him wide right or behind the striker rather than in a defensive role!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 08, 2013, 04:49:06 PM
In the 08/09 season, Brunt got into double figures I thought he had a great season, but Morrison was my second choice.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on February 08, 2013, 07:03:53 PM
Morrison comes across as a very intelligent and informed bloke.

His last few months have not been anywhere near the standard he set himself earlier this season, he is still though one of our most influencial players, I do wonder whether Clarke will push Dorrans in his position and play Morrison down the right wing and Brunt down the left.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 09, 2013, 02:34:57 PM
Over the last couple of seasons Morrison's game has improved dramatically. He hasn't been at hi best lately but that will come back.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Geralegend on February 09, 2013, 09:44:17 PM
Once Mulumbu and Yacob ar eback then no doubt Morrison will be pushed up higher, and can hopefully get a couple of goals for us.

Yeah, think you hit the nail on the head there. Mozza needs the solid foundation of Mulumbu/Yacob sitting behind him to been seen to his best affect. Hopefully its Monday night that we see that for the first time in a long while.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 09, 2013, 09:47:32 PM
Although Morrison has imporved on his defensive game, I still think we are too lightweight without Mulumbu and Yacob together. This hopefully will benefit Morrison but also Olsson and Mcauley too.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 19, 2013, 09:01:33 AM
He had a much better game last week when he was pushed further up the midfield. However he wasn't at his best though.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: AlbionBest on May 05, 2013, 09:58:46 AM
What's happened to him since the turn of the New Year ?

He's one of my favourite current Albion players and was superb for the brilliant opening to the season.

Looks generally poor and lightweight lately - many sloppy passes last week in a good team performance and ineffective when introduced yesterday. His spot in midfield was always a 'nailed on' certainty over the last few years yet now in looks a weaklink that we might need to address ?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jack Russell on May 05, 2013, 10:00:17 AM
gone back to how he was after his heel injury, too lightweight
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 05, 2013, 10:02:00 AM
Before his injury he has been playing really well. he has looked lightweight at times in the second half of the season. hopefully he can get back to his best for next season now.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: AlbionBest on May 05, 2013, 10:02:19 AM
gone back to how he was after his heel injury, too lightweight

Always has been a little lightweight but that has generally not stopped his effectiveness over the past number of seasons though you have a point about injuries - he does seem to take longer to get over them than most. Maybe carrying an injury ?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TROCAL on May 20, 2013, 12:43:39 PM
Whats up with him all of a sudden? had a pop at fans a few times in the last couple of weeks. dont seem to happy at the minute?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: maximus on May 20, 2013, 12:58:24 PM
His taking his own frustration out on the fans, Bottom line is the man wouldnt get in my first 11, His so stale, Yesterday once again ran with the ball into no man's land, Lost a 50-50 with Cleverley of whom is similar physique, He will never be consistent, 1 good game he'll give us in 7...Gera is better in that luxurious role behind the striker, I hope the management either stick with Rosenberg or buy someone for that role.   
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: elminius on May 20, 2013, 01:15:57 PM
His taking his own frustration out on the fans, Bottom line is the man wouldnt get in my first 11, His so stale, Yesterday once again ran with the ball into no man's land, Lost a 50-50 with Cleverley of whom is similar physique, He will never be consistent, 1 good game he'll give us in 7...Gera is better in that luxurious role behind the striker, I hope the management either stick with Rosenberg or buy someone for that role.

Di Santo possibly?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on May 20, 2013, 06:11:27 PM
Thought he was one of our better players first half and worked really hard. Faded a touch second half.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 20, 2013, 06:30:56 PM
At times he was of the pace Yesterday, but overall I didn't think that he that bad of a game Yesterday. Also scored a good goal Yesterday. Overall this season he has played really well his injury hasn't helped and that's why on other games he has looked of the boil but certainly a player that I want us to have for next season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 20, 2013, 07:05:04 PM
Great player. One of our longest serving. Generally consistent. Can be a game changer. Has rough patches of form but form is temporary, class is permanent.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wardy65 on May 20, 2013, 07:15:58 PM
 Had a good first half of the season & then seems to have faded a bit ... much like the team really.

 These players do themselves no favours when they react badly to a few jeers.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 20, 2013, 09:37:30 PM
His taking his own frustration out on the fans, Bottom line is the man wouldnt get in my first 11, His so stale, Yesterday once again ran with the ball into no man's land, Lost a 50-50 with Cleverley of whom is similar physique, He will never be consistent, 1 good game he'll give us in 7...Gera is better in that luxurious role behind the striker, I hope the management either stick with Rosenberg or buy someone for that role.
How surprised would you be to see Valero in that role (the one he's good at)?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Chipperfan on May 20, 2013, 09:48:54 PM
How surprised would you be to see Valero in that role (the one he's good at)?

Eh? How surprised? Absolutely, utterly, totally astonished. That's how surprised.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 20, 2013, 10:07:21 PM
Eh? How surprised? Absolutely, utterly, totally astonished. That's how surprised.
Our scouts have been at , at least 3 matches this season with him playing?, we could be looking at Savic the big defender that didn't really settle at Man city, maybe Adam laljic (21) scored 11 in 28 last year and i beleive only twelve months left on contract (almost joined Man U for 8m 4 yrs ago or we could be about to spend 20m on jovetic :D.
I just wouldn't discount it ...yet?

Re mozza , like many players if he was great all the time he wouldn't be with us, the gestures to the crowd yesterday won't help , but over 4-5 years definitely part of our success core, think we may miss him if he left?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Chipperfan on May 20, 2013, 10:17:20 PM
Three matches with him playing? So that's something like sixty four other potential targets not including substitutes...not to worry, who cares? Valero has only a marginally better chance of playing for Albion than me next season!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: up_the_baggies on May 20, 2013, 10:32:55 PM
Didn't think he was off the pace at all on yesterday, I thought, apart from Lukaku, he was our main threat going forward.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on May 21, 2013, 06:21:06 AM
Don't know why people are making an issue about his 'gestures to the crowd'
All I saw was him hold his arms up to the Brummie as if to say 'what do you want?'
Personally I rate him and hope we have him here next year. Looked a bid jaded second half of season but so have a few others.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: dangerman on May 21, 2013, 09:32:49 AM
Don't know why people are making an issue about his 'gestures to the crowd'
All I saw was him hold his arms up to the Brummie as if to say 'what do you want?'

No need for it though is there? If he was getting abuse then fair enough. But it was a groan from the crowd.

Morrison for me has been poor since the turn of the year.

He had a spell last year where he was fantastic, but this year he has been below his best.

Hopefully we'll see him back to his best next season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 21, 2013, 09:48:58 AM
Don't know why people are making an issue about his 'gestures to the crowd'
All I saw was him hold his arms up to the Brummie as if to say 'what do you want?'
Personally I rate him and hope we have him here next year. Looked a bid jaded second half of season but so have a few others.

He's just in a poor run of form that started when every other player for us seemed to be going through it, he is a quality player and will no doubt be vital for us again next season.

I also agree about the gesture to the fans too. Compare that to Olsson and the couple of times he's made gestures to supporters, its a nothing incident.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: joeymayo on May 21, 2013, 10:34:31 AM
Don't know what people want from Morrison, consistenly our best player over the past five years, yet open to severe (and I mean severe) criticism when he does not show sparkling form.
The whole team has not played well for months yet everyone wants to jump on someone or other, its a team game, either the whole team gets criticised or none.
And if you want me to name one player who really should be given a rest, or dropped, then that player is Olsson.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: CL3MO on May 21, 2013, 12:59:17 PM
Don't know what people want from Morrison, consistenly our best player over the past five years, yet open to severe (and I mean severe) criticism when he does not show sparkling form.
The whole team has not played well for months yet everyone wants to jump on someone or other, its a team game, either the whole team gets criticised or none.
And if you want me to name one player who really should be given a rest, or dropped, then that player is Olsson.

I think that's a bit of a over reaction concerning the criticism Morrison has received over the last few months. Yes, the team has been overall poor over the second half of the season, with certain individuals receiving justifiable criticism. For example, Olsson has took a lot and rightfully so. He is one of few players who we expect to perform at the consistently high standards he has set over the last four years at the club. From the first 20/25 games of the season, Olsson's performances were no lower than a 7/8 out of 10.

Morrison is one of these players who we expect to perform due to the incredibly high standards we know he is more than capable of. He is an excellent player who, in his best position, can pick passes, find space and most importantly, chip in with 6/7 goals a season from midfield. However, in the second half of the season he has sometimes been put out on the wing, or a more regimented right midfield spot in a 4 4 2 that could contribute partly to his poor form. He has shown periods in the last 20 games where he has been too lightweight, gone missing in important games, with his assists and goals drying up significantly.

I think as one of our most important players and arguably our most technically gifted, the constructive criticism that has been dished in his direction is completely fair. Hopefully his form wil return come the start of next season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kendo on December 01, 2013, 10:25:33 AM
Can anybody tell me how Morrison gets a game every week ? and have we give up on Dawson, he never gets a look in, has he ever played as a back ? and I bet Vydra wishes he never come to us. We were rubbish last night and to throw a 2 goal lead like we did against the Villa, keep it up lads and we will be in a relegation battle. I hope I am wrong. I remember I got slated for moaning about , when we signed Anelka.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: maximus on December 01, 2013, 11:09:21 AM
Yesterday proved how ineffective Morrison is, I don't think his near our best 16 let alone 11. I'm assuming experience is the reason he gets the nod, But for me his not good enough to be in the team, Still again too lightweight for a midfielder, Runs down blind alleys and pass's in no mans land most of the time. Been a good servant too the club but for me we have better.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on December 01, 2013, 12:16:53 PM
Can anybody tell me how Morrison gets a game every week ? and have we give up on Dawson, he never gets a look in, has he ever played as a back ? and I bet Vydra wishes he never come to us. We were rubbish last night and to throw a 2 goal lead like we did against the Villa, keep it up lads and we will be in a relegation battle. I hope I am wrong. I remember I got slated for moaning about , when we signed Anelka.

Morrison has been played mainly from the bench since we signed Sessegnon. His performance yesterday won't have convinced anyone that he should be starting.

Who would you suggest makes way for Dawson though, mate?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: AlbionBest on December 01, 2013, 12:28:56 PM
In past seasons, Morrisons name would have been one of the first on my team sheet.
However, since our second half of the season slump last term he has generally been poor with some of his games like last night and Norwich away just appalling.
He looks stale and might need a new challenge (similar to Brunt and Dorrans?) - whats happened to his drive, energy and passing ability ?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: saml30 on December 03, 2013, 05:11:56 PM
I like Morrison and on form is one of our best 5 performers IMO so I am going to stick up for him (albeit just a little), there is no way anyone can say anything but he has been poor, especially in the last two or so games but for me he is one of those players who really does take a few games to get into his stride, which for me is the reason he is performing so below par, coming off the bench for 20 mins here or there and only starting a handful of games this season (deeper than his usual role may I add) is not what he needs, the problem is how do we give him a run of games? well for me although sess is probably the player who can create something out of nothing his last couple of games he has been appalling, especially in the derby, now hopefully he can put that right at some point this week (2 games) or for me  let Morrison have a few games in a row.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on December 03, 2013, 06:33:24 PM
Morrison isn't a holding midfielder, his best position is just behind the front man. That's where all his best games have been played.
To play Mozza for Yacob and expect him to flourish is folly imp.


Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: liam-zuiverloon on December 03, 2013, 07:26:44 PM
Morrison isn't a holding midfielder, his best position is just behind the front man. That's where all his best games have been played.
To play Mozza for Yacob and expect him to flourish is folly imp.
Completely agree, he is wasted as a DM needs to be getting in and around the box getting on the attack. I hope we set up to have a good go at City and play Yacob as our only Defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: geoff on December 03, 2013, 08:49:50 PM
Morrison isn't a holding midfielder, his best position is just behind the front man. That's where all his best games have been played.
To play Mozza for Yacob and expect him to flourish is folly imp.

I agree 100% 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rajesh-wba on December 03, 2013, 08:54:07 PM
Completely agree, he is wasted as a DM needs to be getting in and around the box getting on the attack. I hope we set up to have a good go at City and play Yacob as our only Defensive midfielder.

I don't think he's asked to play a "DM" role. In my opinion, Yacob is the DM and Mulumbu is generally the box-to-box midfielder. I think Morrison will invariably have better games when played alongside Yacob - as he is very well disciplined. With regards his best position - it is most definitely the No.10 role. However he has had good games as the central player of a two in the 4-2-3-1 and alongside Mulumbu in a conventional 4-4-2 under Hodgson.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: spencer Baggie on December 03, 2013, 10:42:35 PM
I'd drop Sess tomorrow and play Mozza in the hole.

Bring sess off the bench if needs be.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on December 04, 2013, 12:27:55 AM
I'd drop Sess tomorrow and play Mozza in the hole.

Bring sess off the bench if needs be.

Sess is better than Mozza, but we need to stop the hopeless hoofing to Long. We don't have a better attack than Berahino, Sess, Amfi and a top forward who can control the ball on the deck and bring in the other midfielders into the game. Long isn't that player and never will be. Long is the problem, not Sess.

How many good players are we going to ruin just to fit in Shane Long?

Morrison for me is back up to Sess and nothing else, we've seen in the pitiful Fulham debacle at home last season and now against Newcastle that Mozza is no cover for Yacob.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on December 04, 2013, 08:50:19 AM
Sess is better than Mozza, but we need to stop the hopeless hoofing to Long. We don't have a better attack than Berahino, Sess, Amfi and a top forward who can control the ball on the deck and bring in the other midfielders into the game. Long isn't that player and never will be. Long is the problem, not Sess.

How many good players are we going to ruin just to fit in Shane Long?

Morrison for me is back up to Sess and nothing else, we've seen in the pitiful Fulham debacle at home last season and now against Newcastle that Mozza is no cover for Yacob.

This line of logic is getting ridiculous swap any other forward for Shane Long and we still would be going long if the midfielders were not showing for the ball or maintaining control of it for more than a couple of passes. A player known to be inconsistent has a couple of poor games and it is somehow it is Shane Long's fault or by proxy Clarke's for playing the one of the only two options he has available in the Centre Forward role. How about it being  Sessegnon's fault, that or accept he will blow hot and cold?

Returning to the matter in hand Morrison really only has one place where he is effective and that is in the hole behind a lone striker and at the moment he has been replaced by Sessegnon who has been poor for the last couple of games. Fortunately Morrison is ready made replacement and should be pushing Sessegnon for his place but otherwise I would not expect him to play much this season. He has neither the drive nor the physical presence for the Mulumbu role, is never a defensive midfielder in the Yacob mold and although when he joined us seemed he did well in a wide midfield role he has not been that effective when he has filled in there for us recently.

 

 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 04, 2013, 06:04:10 PM
This line of logic is getting ridiculous swap any other forward for Shane Long and we still would be going long if the midfielders were not showing for the ball or maintaining control of it for more than a couple of passes. A player known to be inconsistent has a couple of poor games and it is somehow it is Shane Long's fault or by proxy Clarke's for playing the one of the only two options he has available in the Centre Forward role. How about it being  Sessegnon's fault, that or accept he will blow hot and cold?

Returning to the matter in hand Morrison really only has one place where he is effective and that is in the hole behind a lone striker and at the moment he has been replaced by Sessegnon who has been poor for the last couple of games. Fortunately Morrison is ready made replacement and should be pushing Sessegnon for his place but otherwise I would not expect him to play much this season. He has neither the drive nor the physical presence for the Mulumbu role, is never a defensive midfielder in the Yacob mold and although when he joined us seemed he did well in a wide midfield role he has not been that effective when he has filled in there for us recently.

Is it ridiculous because you don't agree with it? I suspect so. The common denominator when we play hoof ball is invariably a Republic of Ireland centre forward we acquired from Reading.

Morrison had a poor game but he is an accomplished Premier League midfielder and a vital member of the squad.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on December 05, 2013, 12:06:54 AM
Is it ridiculous because you don't agree with it? I suspect so. The common denominator when we play hoof ball is invariably a Republic of Ireland centre forward we acquired from Reading.

Morrison had a poor game but he is an accomplished Premier League midfielder and a vital member of the squad.


The line that we go direct when Long is on the pitch is one thing but stretching that to give the rest of the team a free pass for their own ineptitude is stretching the point beyond credibility. If we don't have any sort of control in midfield we will go long regardless of who is up top.

Obviously playing any other Centre Forward would suddenly allow Morrision to rediscover the ability to find a team mate with some of his passes. Unfortunately we were not able test that hypotheses tonight because Morrision was subbed at about the same time that Anichebe came on for Long.   
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on December 05, 2013, 12:26:24 AM
The line that we go direct when Long is on the pitch is one thing but stretching that to give the rest of the team a free pass for their own ineptitude is stretching the point beyond credibility. If we don't have any sort of control in midfield we will go long regardless of who is up top.

Obviously playing any other Centre Forward would suddenly allow Morrision to rediscover the ability to find a team mate with some of his passes. Unfortunately we were not able test that hypotheses tonight because Morrision was subbed at about the same time that Anichebe came on for Long.

It's simply a matter of cause and effect. When we hoof it to Long the consequence is that the midfield players don't receive the ball in situations where they can do much with it. Compare the Sessegnon of the game against United at Old Trafford and compare him in a game where he is straining his neck watching the ball fly around over his head all over the pitch and hardly touching it. What is Sess and the others supposed to do? Grow 10 foot necks to pick the ball out of the air?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on December 05, 2013, 09:24:06 AM
It's simply a matter of cause and effect. When we hoof it to Long the consequence is that the midfield players don't receive the ball in situations where they can do much with it. Compare the Sessegnon of the game against United at Old Trafford and compare him in a game where he is straining his neck watching the ball fly around over his head all over the pitch and hardly touching it. What is Sess and the others supposed to do? Grow 10 foot necks to pick the ball out of the air?

All teams tend to go long when they have no control of the midfield and the player in possession has too few options for a shorter pass. The ball is flying over Sessegnon's head in part because at Newcastle he was not dropping deep to collect and Morrison was losing possession before the rest of the team had a chance to even show for a pass which on the rare occasions was forthcoming was misplaced. 

In the absence of the Mulumbu/Yacob combination our central midfield is as weak as water and we will end up going long because the alternative is an inevitable turnover of possession probably in our own half which is  the greater of two evils.   
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jack Russell on March 04, 2014, 12:12:03 PM
would rather be with Scotland than the Albion i read :(
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 04, 2014, 12:35:26 PM
would rather be with Scotland than the Albion i read :(

I think it's a fair enough comment, he probably shouldn't have said it out loud, but if he was asked then fair enough.

The International will be a nice break if stuff "back at the office" is getting a bit muggy and a bit of a pain.

Hopefully with McD gone and Mel able to sit down with those who haven't gone out then some stability will return!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 04, 2014, 12:44:53 PM
I don't know what he's doing making those comments. Who does he think he's helping? We might have been in a better position with Clarke in charge? Well maybe you should have turned up a bit more often for your mate Clarkey, and he would still be in a job.

But suppose everybody will think his comments are fine, because he is one of the chosen few who can do no wrong.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 04, 2014, 12:53:35 PM
We now know the scapegoat after Saturdays game then
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: monkey nuts on March 04, 2014, 01:14:35 PM
pot kettle black from the main instigator
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Chipperfan on March 04, 2014, 01:16:38 PM
would rather be with Scotland than the Albion i read :(

Well that's something I would agree with him about. I would rather he was with Scotland than the Albion as well.

However I wouldn't dream of scapegoating him, not while Ridgewell's in the side anyway. ;D
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: mulliganstired on March 04, 2014, 01:35:12 PM
It's the usual selective media slant if you read the whole thing.  He probably should have kept his mouth shut, but its just basically saying it's all been a bit of a bit of a pain in the**** and he's glad of a change of scene for a few days.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on March 04, 2014, 01:38:55 PM
Obviously if things are not going so well at the club an international is an opportunity to get a change of scenery but I am not sure why Morrison felt the need to be so frank with the media. I do not want to scapegoat individual players but I am struggling to remember the last good game Morrison had for us, it is probably a sad reflection on the state of Scottish football that a player who has been out of sorts for the best part of a year is still in their squad.   
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Legend on March 04, 2014, 01:41:20 PM
Everyone's fault but the players  :o
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 04, 2014, 01:50:49 PM
Everyone's fault but the players  :o


very true
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: PsalmXXIII on March 04, 2014, 02:11:58 PM
Obviously if things are not going so well at the club an international is an opportunity to get a change of scenery but I am not sure why Morrison felt the need to be so frank with the media. I do not want to scapegoat individual players but I am struggling to remember the last good game Morrison had for us, it is probably a sad reflection on the state of Scottish football that a player who has been out of sorts for the best part of a year is still in their squad.   

Alan Hutton still plays for them, not kicked a ball for Villa all season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Albion79 on March 04, 2014, 02:29:37 PM
I can probably imagine it may be a nice getaway for a few days from the Albion to be fair but dont really see what he has gained from saying it, its not like he has said anything constructive to help the situation.

On one hand its nice to hear a different response to the standard footballer quotes, but on the other it probably dont do much for the whole 'we are in this together thing' if players are pleased to be away!

I hope Morrison doesnt become a scapegoat, no need for all that, but if i was him i may also be looking a bit closer to home and asking is he doing enough, just after Clarke left he did an interview saying he was restricted when playing, now apparently its all a bit of pain in the a**e being around the club, maybe he himself has gone a bit stale and it may be time for a move to kickstart his enthusiasm again.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kris_boing on March 04, 2014, 02:31:03 PM
He's 100% correct.  We've all been saying it so why can't a player?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jack Russell on March 04, 2014, 02:48:05 PM
Yes its true what he says we all know that but whats he going to do about it.He is putting himself under the spotlight, hes too bloody lightweight anyway
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jack Russell on March 04, 2014, 02:54:45 PM
He's 100% correct.  We've all been saying it so why can't a player?


Not exactly inspiring the supporters is he though
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: maximus on March 04, 2014, 04:10:48 PM
Should focus more on what he contributes too the team, Which is nothing, And has become our most stale player, Too lightweight and doesn't bring nothing. He should take a leaf out of Leon Osman's book on how to play that role with a light frame.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Chipperfan on March 04, 2014, 04:28:34 PM
Should focus more on what he contributes too the team, Which is nothing, And has become our most stale player, Too lightweight and doesn't bring nothing. He should take a leaf out of Leon Osman's book on how to play that role with a light frame.

It's strange how he has become such a nonentity. A couple of years back he was superb, but now he looks one paced, one footed, lightweight and often pretty clueless.

Joking aside it would be good to see him get back to something like his best, starting Saturday preferably.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jack Russell on March 04, 2014, 04:41:22 PM
It's strange how he has become such a nonentity. A couple of years back he was superb, but now he looks one paced, one footed, lightweight and often pretty clueless.

Joking aside it would be good to see him get back to something like his best, starting Saturday preferably.


and if he dont he will get slaughtered. the atmosphere could be very cold on saturday
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on March 04, 2014, 05:04:40 PM
Ive got no problem with what he said if the players weren't partly to blame.

His comments were idiotic due to the fact he would know himself the feelings the press as a whole have for our club at the moment
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 04, 2014, 05:37:18 PM
From what I can tell it's originally quoted from a Scottish paper, so It's actually a rather normal passage. It's basically a saying "There's problems at the club (and there have been) but now I can enjoy the game with the national team" He never mentions directly bad performances or bad direction... Just the outlandish stuff that is going on like the sudden sacking and Anelka's quinelle suspension. (ergo a soap opera, tv based on "normal people" that is actually quite ridiculous) while not making enemies with either Clarke (who is Scottish so best not to criticize him in a Scottish paper) or Pepe.

I think some are breathing a bit too much into this and using it as a excuse to directly criticize him, despite Morrison not really doing anything other than acknowledge the elephant in the room.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: stubba on March 04, 2014, 07:00:27 PM
He can stay in Scotland for me!! Been abysmal for months
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: stubba on March 04, 2014, 07:02:50 PM
Incidentally  this is the same Morrison who claimed he was fed up under Clarke and annoyed with lack of game time.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wardy65 on March 04, 2014, 07:10:54 PM
Suppose he was just asked a question & gave an honest answer, but being a footballer you've got to be a bit cleverer than that! The guys a shadow of the player we had a couple of seasons ago, the one that looked like he enjoyed playing for us, & the one that could chip in with 5 or 6 goals a season. No, not worthy of a first team shirt for me ... & that's nothing to do with these comments!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on March 04, 2014, 07:11:57 PM
woop de doo, more negativity to do with our club YET again, sick of this now, just roll on may and see where we end up, the anticipation is a killer. If we are championship then so be it, hopefully we can lift the spirits again. However for us to move forward, staying in the league is crucial. Whatever the outcome, albion through and through.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GREGMT on March 04, 2014, 08:17:39 PM
Morrison - you've been at the Hawthorns too long.  It's time to move on. 

However, probably your family is settled in the area and that's the problem.

It sounds like there's a split down the middle between the old guard players and new boys.

Someone should have been more ruthless in Summer 2013 and decided who was for the chop.  Instead we were left with too many bodies.  We've shot ourselves in the foot with this policy.  To my knowledge only 11 players can be selected to start and 3 more utilised from the bench.  We don't require 30 players!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 04, 2014, 09:30:45 PM
Someone should have been more ruthless in Summer 2013 and decided who was for the chop.  Instead we were left with too many bodies.  We've shot ourselves in the foot with this policy.  To my knowledge only 11 players can be selected to start and 3 more utilised from the bench.  We don't require 30 players!

Pick the way you want to play, then two good players for each position (with three keepers). Squad of 23 should be fine.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on March 04, 2014, 10:13:38 PM
I'm a bit confused by the talk of our squad being too big - is it any different to other clubs ? Any club can only have a squad of 25 max, supplemented by under 21s - only Berahino and Vydra have played as under 21s I believe. There are only 22 over 21's in our squad by my reckoning which seems about the right number ?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on March 05, 2014, 06:17:36 AM
Just goes to show that some of the ill feeling at the club probably goes deeper than we thought.
Always liked Morrison, all he's done is said what he thinks, no harm in that.
We've all got our opinions on what's going on at the club.
Thanks for being honest Jimbo.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: spencer Baggie on March 05, 2014, 08:31:43 AM
After a week of headlines, I'd prefer it if he'd do his talking on the pitch.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on March 05, 2014, 09:00:21 AM
After a week of headlines, I'd prefer it if he'd do his talking on the pitch.

Yeah, as I keep saying: The old core players need to stop talking and start performing if we are to survive. We haven't seen the 'real' Morrison, Olsson, Mulumbu etc for about a year. Time for those players to show they are as good as they say they are.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: colinmax on March 05, 2014, 09:51:54 AM
Could someone explain to me what Morrison does that is extra to what any professional player could do?
Any professional could make the occasional tackle,have one or two wild shots and make a few passes to team mates but we as supporters are entitled to ask more of a premiership player in our team.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jack Russell on March 05, 2014, 09:53:21 AM
Lets just hope if selected he dont have a stinker on Saturday
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: joeymayo on March 05, 2014, 10:34:38 AM
Could someone explain to me what Morrison does that is extra to what any professional player could do?
Any professional could make the occasional tackle,have one or two wild shots and make a few passes to team mates but we as supporters are entitled to ask more of a premiership player in our team.

When Pepe eventually goes i'm going to throw your name in the hat for head coach, jeez Hodgson, Di Matteo, Clarke, Mel some eloquent names have been head coach and picked Morrison so show some respect if not for him the coaches mentioned, that notwithstanding at least three national coaches who have been selecting him.

Not one person has stated that he mentiones the camaradarie with the players if fine but then again soap operas are by definition what they are useless actors in useless productions!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 05, 2014, 12:08:35 PM
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 05, 2014, 01:46:26 PM
I come here and yes i had my Moan about Clarke and the transfer policy and even give my opinion about who should play and in what position. However slating some of the players has got ridiculous on here. Morrison has said this and yes it's not the smartest thing to say. Yes some of the players aren't good enough for this division however we are stuck with them until summer, so lets get behind them and the new manager.

If it comes may and they have got relegated and they have had a go il be gutted and il be ready for next year. If they go down with a whimper il be p****d off but il be behind them again for next season, regardless of division.

I was one of those who didn't think long was good enough but he's gone we didn't replace him and like with not replacing odemwingie and lukaku we find ourselves in a mess.

We need to stop laying into the players we have, including Morrison despite his daft comments, support the team do our part and hope they do there's
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on March 05, 2014, 02:12:29 PM
I come here and yes i had my Moan about Clarke and the transfer policy and even give my opinion about who should play and in what position. However slating some of the players has got ridiculous on here. Morrison has said this and yes it's not the smartest thing to say. Yes some of the players aren't good enough for this division however we are stuck with them until summer, so lets get behind them and the new manager.

If it comes may and they have got relegated and they have had a go il be gutted and il be ready for next year. If they go down with a whimper il be p****d off but il be behind them again for next season, regardless of division.

I was one of those who didn't think long was good enough but he's gone we didn't replace him and like with not replacing odemwingie and lukaku we find ourselves in a mess.

We need to stop laying into the players we have, including Morrison despite his daft comments, support the team do our part and hope they do there's

I share some of those sentiments. We are where we are and all we can do is get behind whoever plays and hope for the best. I would however draw a distinction between being critical of a player on here and moaning at them when I am at the game or giving them abuse on twitter. Fans moaning at players does no good if they have an ounce of professional pride they know they have made mistakes and want to do better if they haven't got that then a negative reaction from the fans is not going to give it to them. If they are struggling with confidence or carrying injuries having a few thousand people on your case doesn't help either.

I think we have every right to be critical of a group of players who have demonstrated that they are good enough at their best for this Division but have in some cases not produced their best for the last 12 months or if they have it has only been for a few matches here and there. I put Morrison very much in that category he is a Senior Professional he has Premier League contract and a 100 plus games at this level I expect leadership instead I get whining and excuses.   
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 05, 2014, 02:19:57 PM
I come here and yes i had my Moan about Clarke and the transfer policy and even give my opinion about who should play and in what position. However slating some of the players has got ridiculous on here. Morrison has said this and yes it's not the smartest thing to say. Yes some of the players aren't good enough for this division however we are stuck with them until summer, so lets get behind them and the new manager.

We need to stop laying into the players we have, including Morrison despite his daft comments, support the team do our part and hope they do there's


Clarke wanted Anelka Sinclair he got them (neither for me have done anything, Anelka having a few moments is not enough)

Mcdonut was responsible for Anichibe, Lugano and Vydra. Vydra loaned as a panic signing purely of a good championship season, Lugano of reputation. Clarke wanted someone to replace odemwingie he got Sessi, started well gone off boil.

The sumemr window has saw us sign 3 journeymen: Sinclair hasnt kicked a ball when hes been on the pitch, Anelka floats around and i think was carried for many matches, Lugano came with reputation and has cost us so many goals and points- vill park the worst!

Sessi we paid over the odds same with big vic and both have had spells doing ok- both panic buys. Vydra distinctly average yes he scored an important goal saturday and agaisnt Hull but he looks out of his depth!


Yep, lets get behind them eh.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 05, 2014, 02:28:12 PM
Totally agree. We must get behind them all if we stand anychance of staying up
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: leeiswba on March 05, 2014, 03:02:06 PM
Cant see whats wrong with what he has said to be honest, read in The Sun today he said the whole season has been a shambles which is true. Mozza has been a good servant over the years I hope he can find some form back and is here for a few more years to come.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on March 05, 2014, 03:06:05 PM
Not very sensible comments and a bit unnecessary. Best keeping any comments about Clarke to himself and I doubt the rumours and events of last week really impacted on the players at all. I doubt there was any speculation outside of the press that Mel could have departed last week. Maybe best to listen to what they hear first hand and ignore the press.
That said there's no point in any of the crowd having a go at him on Saturday (if selected). 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Albion79 on March 05, 2014, 03:47:28 PM
I agree with Standaman, i dont think there is anything wrong fans picking up on somebody saying something they dont agree with on a forum or social networking, it doesnt mean we are not behind the player or not backing the team.

If people boo and jeer him then thats different but i havent seen any comment from what i have read that suggest people will do that, it seems a fair few people arent really that bothered what he said (me included) but just think it was a bit of a stupid thing to say.

My opinion is as before, i dont understand what he has gained from saying it, if the players had played well and were doing there bit then i think comments about the club in general are fair game, however as they have played rubbish for 18 x months, got  Clarke the sack, i would be more inclined to say get your own house in order before slating others.

I think the fans can do more and be more positive, but i think after 18 x months of witnessing very half hearted performances  in 3/4 of those games, i think the players owe the fans a bit more than the fans owe the players. I think there is a bit of ill feeling towards the players at the moment, last weeks rumoured stuff about the players visiting the clubs hierachy to complain, training camp been finished earlier than planned,  the overall poorness of the last 18 x months, etc all build up so personally i dont really care what the players have to say, i would prefer to see actions on the pitch rather than comments on other stuff.

I can accept it players arent good enough or beat by better teams, cant do much about it, but i think there have been a number of occasions when we have gone through the motions and lacked effort (games v bigger clubs excepted) its time for the players to show if they are good enough or if they have had their day at this level.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mr Cynical on March 05, 2014, 04:40:02 PM
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 05, 2014, 05:24:36 PM
Yep, lets get behind them eh.

I admit I have criticised as have alot of other people but we have reached a point when it's beyond healthy. We have changed the manager we have sacked Mdonut now it's do or die.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 05, 2014, 05:27:19 PM
So what will the atmosphere really be like Saturday folks. Upbeat or tense?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wardy65 on March 05, 2014, 05:53:48 PM
So what will the atmosphere really be like Saturday folks. Upbeat or tense?
Well if we're to have any chance of getting out of this mess it needs to be good!
I'll be bellowing my head off on Saturday & I know Maresca & his mates behind me will be too, but what about the rest of you? We've gotta raise the roof & even (like me) if you think Mozza should be left out, still get behind him & the team. Sitting on your hands & feeling sorry for yourself won't help us win, so man up!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 05, 2014, 05:55:19 PM
Turn the music off and Bring Emily back. It did work under Hodgson
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Gilsey 56 on March 05, 2014, 06:23:03 PM
I have only just joined the forums and think they are great for having a moan and getting rid of the frustrations we are all feeling at the moment,
Come Saturday we will shout our heads off whoever is wearing our shirts and long after they have gone'

I think Morrison should concentrate on getting his form back, we have not seen it for a while. He only said a few weeks ago he was not that upset with Clarke going has he did not always get picked.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 05, 2014, 06:36:58 PM
So what will the atmosphere really be like Saturday folks. Upbeat or tense?

I think the atmosphere will be decent, although lunch time kick offs always sterilises things a little.  As supporters this season we seem to have only raised ourselves for the bigger games, coincidentally a bit like the team, goes hand in hand I guess.  But we really need to get behind them and also BACK MEL!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: leeiswba on March 05, 2014, 06:43:01 PM
Drowned out by the Man United fans like every other year unfortunately.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Greenock Baggie on March 05, 2014, 07:15:50 PM
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jack Russell on March 05, 2014, 10:14:28 PM
Poor Morrison . I bet he's dreading going back to the soap opera
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: leeiswba on March 05, 2014, 10:18:26 PM
Poor Morrison . I bet he's dreading going back to the soap opera

Nearly as much as us fans are dreading going back!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on March 05, 2014, 11:09:38 PM
Poor Morrison . I bet he's dreading going back to the soap opera

At least he can cry all the way to the bank.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 06, 2014, 10:00:38 AM
Obviously we will see if the players are really up for the fight starting this coming Saturday
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jack Russell on March 06, 2014, 12:11:39 PM
The players should come out to the theme tune of Elderado, remember?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: colinmax on March 06, 2014, 03:31:16 PM
I posted a question yesterday asking someone to tell me how he deserves a starting place and what he actually does as regards scoring,ball winning and creating and no one has come up with the answer.
One reply stated he must be good because DM,RH,SC,PM and Scotland have all picked him.
Well I have seen him have good games in the past which may explain his selection by DM and RH but I would point out that SC got sacked PM is under pressure and Scottish football is not as good as it has been historically.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on March 06, 2014, 04:01:08 PM
I posted a question yesterday asking someone to tell me how he deserves a starting place and what he actually does as regards scoring,ball winning and creating and no one has come up with the answer.
One reply stated he must be good because DM,RH,SC,PM and Scotland have all picked him.
Well I have seen him have good games in the past which may explain his selection by DM and RH but I would point out that SC got sacked PM is under pressure and Scottish football is not as good as it has been historically.

The short answer is he is an attacking midfielder and at his best a decent one at that. He will score a few goals  make some decent runs in and around the opposition's area and make some telling passes. He has not been at his best for nigh on a year. As a manager if you play him in any other position you may as well write your own P45 Clarke and Mel have both made that mistake. I hope Pepe does not repeat it.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: seteefeet on March 06, 2014, 07:39:12 PM
It's ok keep saying get behind them and fair enough that is what we need to do, but when are these overpaid egotists going to think about us? Did Morrison ever think about what the fans would think about his comments? Of course not.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Gilsey 56 on March 06, 2014, 08:36:49 PM
I can't help feeling that we have missed the boat not playing Dorrans in that central position. He hasn't played there for years, when he gets picked he always plays wide and i think he is the best two footed player at the club. When he played there regularly he scored goals and numerous clubs were chasing him. Please give him a go at the top of the diamond Pepe or we will miss out on a fine player to Notts Forest .



Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 06, 2014, 10:23:23 PM
I posted a question yesterday asking someone to tell me how he deserves a starting place and what he actually does as regards scoring,ball winning and creating and no one has come up with the answer.
One reply stated he must be good because DM,RH,SC,PM and Scotland have all picked him.
Well I have seen him have good games in the past which may explain his selection by DM and RH but I would point out that SC got sacked PM is under pressure and Scottish football is not as good as it has been historically.
Tis a fair question, and didn't all those managers pick Ridgwell ? :D
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 08, 2014, 04:00:40 PM
I find it laughable that he has the cheek to call us a soap opera and then he churns out a performance like that.

Shut the **** up and concentrate on your football because you're not very good at it.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 08, 2014, 04:03:09 PM
He was awful today, looked like he didn't care one bit, he has been awful all season, wouldn't mind one bit if he didn't play for us again this season. I don't know how he can come out and say its been like a soap opera when he has been so poor this season. I would rather Dorrans come back into the squad.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on March 08, 2014, 04:04:15 PM
I find it laughable that he has the cheek to call us a soap opera and then he churns out a performance like that.

Shut the **** up and concentrate on your football because you're not very good at it.

My thoughts exactly, it's disrespectful towards the club but when you're the worst performer on the pitch it's a joke.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 08, 2014, 04:08:09 PM
To be fair to Jimmy, he was doubtful before the game with fatigue after his 45 minutes for Scotland in mid-week   :o
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on March 08, 2014, 04:20:51 PM
Another who wants to feel 'comfortable' with his ex team mate as part of the coaching set up.

Arrogance beyond belief.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: gazberg on March 08, 2014, 04:40:03 PM
Morrison and Ridgewell are an embarrassment.

For Morrison to come out with those comments and then turn in an unprofesisonal performance like that. Disgusting.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: slimboyfat1972 on March 08, 2014, 05:36:44 PM
Morrison and Ridgewell are an embarrassment.

For Morrison to come out with those comments and then turn in an unprofesisonal performance like that. Disgusting.
What I found totally embarrassing wasn't his misplaced passes or the lack of effort but the way he tried to tackle Rooney in the 2nd half , he chased him round like an under 8 schoolboy and 3 times Rooney made him look a fool in 30 seconds.
I cringed and thought can you imagine McInnes letting someone do that.
The fire in the bellies of a lot players has gone out now.
And as for ridgewells contribution..the dives in the 1st half were cringeworthy.as for the half assed attempt to stop the cross for the second goal..pathetic.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: HampshireBaggie on March 08, 2014, 05:47:01 PM
One of the first players to move on in the summer, he's undermined the club.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Gilsey 56 on March 08, 2014, 06:01:24 PM
i couldn't agree more the way he chased Rooney around and his general game, he could have come out with slippers on. We lost our best two players in Brunt and Jacob,even the gods have given up on us, very down tonight.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: gazberg on March 08, 2014, 09:36:31 PM
Mozza and LR should be ashamed at how they have let their performance levels drop.

Mozza was a good player at one point now he wouldn't make an impression in the Championship.

Ridgewell has never been great but a steady performer until this season where he has been consistently garbage but he is under no pressure. He has no competition. That LR can play as bad as he does and Popov is nowhere near match day squad shows how highly rated GP is. What a waste of a loan.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Chipperfan on March 08, 2014, 09:40:17 PM
Morrison was a disgrace today. Thoroughly unprofessional and a total waste of a shirt.

I seem to recall he was touted as the player who would blossom best under Mel. Well, he has just ruined that chance to be a hero.

Utter rubbish.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on March 08, 2014, 10:04:34 PM
As soon as Yacob was replaced by Morrision I knew the game was up the United players would have more difficulty going past a traffic cone.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 08, 2014, 10:35:27 PM
Another useless twonk with an over inflated ego, get rid.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Chipperfan on March 08, 2014, 10:37:16 PM
Another useless twonk with an over inflated ego, get rid.

Hard to disagree with those sentiments.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kris_boing on March 08, 2014, 11:00:49 PM
One of many I hope to see the back of at the end of the season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: graka on March 08, 2014, 11:45:49 PM
Disgusting lack of effort. Ridgwell is poor but at least he trys. Get rid along with olssen
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: bangkokbaggie on March 09, 2014, 12:02:10 AM
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: maximus on March 09, 2014, 12:14:38 AM
The most stale player at the club, One of the longest serving yet when the club needs players like that to rally others he puts further digs in with his comments, There's a reason no other clubs come in for him other than Bolton years ago.

We was alright earlier in the season without him or Brunt in the team.

But then 2 out of the 4 wins came against 10 men, or 9 men in sunderland so even those wins look tainted.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on March 09, 2014, 12:15:23 AM
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: AlbionBest on March 09, 2014, 12:36:09 AM
Morrison seems another of our growing list of players that like to mouth out yet show so little on a match day - when was the last time the waster had a good game ?  Looked his usual lightweight nothing again today.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: graka on March 09, 2014, 08:38:30 AM
Morrison, Mulumbu, Olsson, Ridgewell have been poor to dreadful for over a year.  That doesn't stop them from being the biggest talkers at the club though.
mulumbu? for all his shortfalls never gives less than 100% effort and commitment. I think if we go down him and brunt will be the two players who attract most interest.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: joeymayo on September 08, 2014, 12:14:56 PM
On the internationals front it was good to see Morrison get 90 minutes under his belt, the sooner he returns to the match day eleven the better.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tylerm on September 08, 2014, 12:18:17 PM
On the internationals front it was good to see Morrison get 90 minutes under his belt, the sooner he returns to the match day eleven the better.

Why?
He hasn't had a good game for 2 years
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 08, 2014, 03:04:24 PM
On the internationals front it was good to see Morrison get 90 minutes under his belt, the sooner he returns to the match day eleven the better.

Totally agree. Excellent player. Adds crispness to our passing and movement. Also has a lot of experience which is vital.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on September 08, 2014, 07:11:04 PM
Consistency is his problem. The last time he had a real run of consistent form was just before he got his last contract. For the last couple of years his form has been distinctly patchy.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 28, 2014, 08:51:27 PM
Getting closer to seeing the James Morrison of old.

Good with the ball, getting stuck in and seems to have regained that purposeful running with the ball.

About time we saw him getting closer to the high standards he has set himself previously.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Chipperfan on September 28, 2014, 08:58:14 PM
Getting closer to seeing the James Morrison of old.

Good with the ball, getting stuck in and seems to have regained that purposeful running with the ball.

About time we saw him getting closer to the high standards he has set himself previously.

I'm not a huge fan if his and fir a long time I have struggled to see what he brings to the team, but today, different class. A really very good game.

Well done James.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: timdon on September 28, 2014, 09:22:43 PM
Well, it's all about opinions, but for me he was the weakest of our midfield today. Did ok but nothing more, and personally I would replace him in the next match
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on September 28, 2014, 09:50:26 PM
Although it was a comfortable ride today, it's a bonus if Morrison and Gardner can play well in the centre. Helps with the passing and general movement of the team.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 09, 2014, 10:11:35 PM
Please tell me again what this player offers to the team to be in the first 11 week in/week out?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: enzo maresca on November 09, 2014, 10:13:27 PM
Feck all and thats being kind to him
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: John Rest on November 09, 2014, 10:15:32 PM
Thought he put in some decent crunching tackles today.

Don't get me wrong, he was poor, but him and Lescott are the only two players I can find anything positive to say about today.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 09, 2014, 10:15:58 PM
Please tell me again what this player offers to the team to be in the first 11 week in/week out?
he demonstrates how to bottle challenges??
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Costakiblue on November 10, 2014, 11:21:52 AM
Thought he put in some decent crunching tackles today.

Now there's a word (crunching) I never thought I'd see applied to Morrison.
He put in one decent tackle and hurt his back, then thought better of it. He wasn't the only culprit though. Gardner aside, is there anyone in our midfield who can put in a decent challenge.
The number of free kicks we give away week after week due to poor tackling technique is a joke! Brunt, Dorrans and to a lesser extent Mulumbu are all culpable here too.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Morany on November 10, 2014, 11:30:21 AM
Now there's a word (crunching) I never thought I'd see applied to Morrison.
He put in one decent tackle and hurt his back, then thought better of it. He wasn't the only culprit though. Gardner aside, is there anyone in our midfield who can put in a decent challenge.
The number of free kicks we give away week after week due to poor tackling technique is a joke! Brunt, Dorrans and to a lesser extent Mulumbu are all culpable here too.

They're all from the Mowbray era of soft feet. Like you've said, Gardner aside we have nobody in the middle who can tackle
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie Boy on November 10, 2014, 11:34:06 AM
Morrison has been very poor recently and I don't see how he continually warrants a place at the moment, the amount of times he lost the ball yesterday was ridiculous, his passing is dodgy and he is a lightweight. I think a Gardner/Mulumbu partnership is by far the better pairing with Sess in front of them.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 10, 2014, 11:40:25 AM
He was poor yesterday but when he has played this season he has been by and large very good. He has also seemingly created a good understand with Craig Gardner in protecting the back four. I'm not going to go jumping on his back after one poor performance this season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dexy on November 10, 2014, 11:44:44 AM
Morrison has been very poor recently and I don't see how he continually warrants a place at the moment, the amount of times he lost the ball yesterday was ridiculous, his passing is dodgy and he is a lightweight. I think a Gardner/Mulumbu partnership is by far the better pairing with Sess in front of them.
With respect mate nobody gives the ball away as much as Mulumbu , to be fair to Morrison i think he has played well this season and i think he was unlucky to have to deal with Sissoko where my choice would have been Yacob in that role rather than bringing Mulumbu back in the side.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Gilsey 56 on November 10, 2014, 07:42:47 PM
I think Gardener out of the side yesterday highlighted the fact that Morrison has a holding player in the centre of midfield is ridiculous.
Dorrans was our best player in that role until he was moved to cater for him, we need him back there and some width in the side.
i think Brunt as played quite well the last few games but i must be watching a different game to those who think Morrison can play there.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 10, 2014, 09:01:06 PM
Don't know how much Premier league football you watch but nobody puts crunching tackles in anymore. Nobody tackles anymore and yesterday's referee allowed more tackling than most allow you to get away with.  There is a reason why Gardner was suspended,  he is the one most likely to put a challenge in.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: elkiellis on November 10, 2014, 09:08:56 PM
needs to be moved on too lightweight,if fact apart from gardener and sess id get rid of the rest of the midfield too
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 10, 2014, 09:09:16 PM
Don't know how much Premier league football you watch but nobody puts crunching tackles in anymore. Nobody tackles anymore and yesterday's referee allowed more tackling than most allow you to get away with.  There is a reason why Gardner was suspended,  he is the one most likely to put a challenge in.

Only two of the 5 were for fouls (same as Dorrans incidentally), the others for handball and unsporting behaviour.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 10, 2014, 10:13:39 PM
Only two of the 5 were for fouls (same as Dorrans incidentally), the others for handball and unsporting behaviour.
See, if he hadn't made those two tackles he wouldn't be suspended ;D (Internet myth alert :-[)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jeb-Dog on November 11, 2014, 10:20:32 AM
For me Morrison in his new position slows down the game too much. He dawdles on the ball on 90% of the time ends up passing sideways to backwards. Because of this he kills any counter attack dead he is involved in.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: seteefeet on November 11, 2014, 12:27:29 PM
For me Morrison in his new position slows down the game too much. He dawdles on the ball on 90% of the time ends up passing sideways to backwards. Because of this he kills any counter attack dead he is involved in.
He doesn't look confident at all does he?
I thought he might kick on after the Tottenham game, but to be honest him and the whole midfield have only performed in fits and starts. I genuinely believe that there is no plan B as, whenever the other team has come out fighting, like Newcastle did, they don't react they just keep trying the same old tired routine.
We need leaders on the pitch who can react to a dodgy start and orchestrate change. Morrison used to be one of those who could drive the team on, but he doesn't seem to have the confidence anymore and, sadly, neither do any of the others.
Irvine needs to throw away the rule book sometimes and instil a bit of flexibility. Meticulous planning is all well and good when it works but, when it doesn't, you need to react and adapt.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on November 11, 2014, 01:04:30 PM
Our midfield needed a complete overhaul in the summer as it is just too stale, one paced and predictable. Sadly it wasn't done which is why we are still having to make do with the old guard. I'd say our current crop is the poorest midfield we have had since being back in the top flight.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie79 on November 11, 2014, 06:57:54 PM
My opinion on JM is that if you look what he offers it speaks for itself.

Doesn't create enough
Doesn't score enough goals
Doesn't tackle enough

Not sure what he does offer to make him a starter?

This is not a knee jerk reaction I have always been open on here that I think he is Pub.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BobTaylor on November 11, 2014, 07:04:46 PM
At one stage a good couple years ago he was our best player alongside lukaku going forward and he was fantastic didn't look phased even against midfields of spurs and arsenal which speaks volumes however that has changed over time whether through the dressing room or just he's personal attitude but he shouldn't be starting at the moment, very inconsistent and probably plays one good game out of three if lucky.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on November 11, 2014, 07:28:53 PM
At one stage a good couple years ago he was our best player alongside lukaku going forward and he was fantastic didn't look phased even against midfields of spurs and arsenal which speaks volumes however that has changed over time whether through the dressing room or just he's personal attitude but he shouldn't be starting at the moment, very inconsistent and probably plays one good game out of three if lucky.

JM was very good in the cam role for a while. Then teams started to get clued in and man marked him or made sure he didn't get the ball in certain situations. After that he simply didn't do enough. Mozza in one of three, four maybe five (Mozza, Dozza, Sess, maybe Ideye and Blanco, and possibly more) players whose best positions is cam yet they find themselves playing anywhere but there because we don't have enough starters in other positions... And this poor balance in the squad hasn't been addressed for a few years now.

 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Gilsey 56 on November 11, 2014, 07:57:05 PM
has i said earlier when Gardener was missing on Sunday it showed Morrisons short falls in that position.
Dorrans has all but lost his form being dragged out wide.
Gardener the best signing we made in the summer along with lescott.
why not try 3 at the back and give us some width with our full backs, at least try it once, we have the centre backs and full backs to do it but not a brave enough coach I fear.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: timdon on November 11, 2014, 08:01:11 PM
He doesn't look confident at all does he?
I thought he might kick on after the Tottenham game, but to be honest him and the whole midfield have only performed in fits and starts. I genuinely believe that there is no plan B as, whenever the other team has come out fighting, like Newcastle did, they don't react they just keep trying the same old tired routine.
We need leaders on the pitch who can react to a dodgy start and orchestrate change. Morrison used to be one of those who could drive the team on, but he doesn't seem to have the confidence anymore and, sadly, neither do any of the others.
Irvine needs to throw away the rule book sometimes and instil a bit of flexibility. Meticulous planning is all well and good when it works but, when it doesn't, you need to react and adapt.
Good points, agree with them all
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 11, 2014, 08:05:23 PM
Don't know how much Premier league football you watch but nobody puts crunching tackles in anymore. Nobody tackles anymore and yesterday's referee allowed more tackling than most allow you to get away with.  There is a reason why Gardner was suspended,  he is the one most likely to put a challenge in.
Yacob
catermole
toure
shawcross
barton
nolan
terry
etc etc
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: leeiswba on November 11, 2014, 08:22:32 PM
Yacob
catermole
toure
shawcross
barton
nolan
terry
etc etc

Think thats his point made really, look at their disciplinary record.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie Boy on November 11, 2014, 08:43:47 PM
With respect mate nobody gives the ball away as much as Mulumbu , to be fair to Morrison i think he has played well this season and i think he was unlucky to have to deal with Sissoko where my choice would have been Yacob in that role rather than bringing Mulumbu back in the side.

I agree Mulumbu does but he also completes more forward passes and involves himself in the game more, Morrison for me is being used too deep. If he was deployed further forward like under Clarkes first season or Hodgson we may see an improvement. I do think Yacob would be better to deal for Sissoko, I agree there but I think it would mean that Anichebe should have been kept out for Sess as it gives us more mobility- Yacob isn't the quickest
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: caravanc58 on November 12, 2014, 10:48:22 AM
My opinion on JM is that if you look what he offers it speaks for itself.

Doesn't create enough
Doesn't score enough goals
Doesn't tackle enough

Not sure what he does offer to make him a starter?

This is not a knee jerk reaction I have always been open on here that I think he is Pub.
totally agree, he was poor all last season and maybe should have been moved on this summer. our midfield needed refreshing in the transfer window yet we seem to have the same players we had years ago.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: joeymayo on November 12, 2014, 11:10:35 AM
My opinion on JM is that if you look what he offers it speaks for itself.

Doesn't create enough
Doesn't score enough goals
Doesn't tackle enough

Not sure what he does offer to make him a starter?

This is not a knee jerk reaction I have always been open on here that I think he is Pub.

Same could be said for any of our midfielders at present mate.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: joeymayo on November 12, 2014, 11:12:28 AM
totally agree, he was poor all last season and maybe should have been moved on this summer. our midfield needed refreshing in the transfer window yet we seem to have the same players we had years ago.

Its been refreshed but the new faces are not good enough to get in the team, if anything JM has been compromised by poorer midfielders around him and also playing deeper when its patently obvious he is the best central attacking midfielder at the club.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MarkW on November 12, 2014, 11:18:37 AM
People talk about Mulumbu always giving the ball away - his pass completion was the best out of the midfield on Sunday.

He is however, awful at tackling. Only Morrison had a lower tackle success rate in our midfield
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Morany on November 12, 2014, 11:28:01 AM
Agree with many on here. I think we have to call time on Morrison. Great servant and put in some really good shifts, but in terms of what he actually adds unfortunately it's very little.

We are playing with a championship midfield and have showed no progression at all.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tommcneill on November 12, 2014, 12:51:56 PM
See I like Morrison but I think our midfield needs changing, it has been the same since the Championship seasons and its time it was updated.

He has the odd good game but he is still too lightweight for me.

I think Dorrans plays better in his position personally
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggie96 on November 12, 2014, 06:27:34 PM
When he drives the midfield forward I think he is one of our better players. Playing as a deep lying playmaker he is quite frankly not as good as dorrans,brunt, Gardner etc. when he plays alongside Gardner I rate him as he can bring the ball forward.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BobTaylor on November 14, 2014, 07:04:48 PM
Morrison not even in the squad tonight and dorrans takes place on the bench.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 14, 2014, 08:53:10 PM
Morrison not even in the squad tonight and dorrans takes place on the bench.

He's ill.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggie82 on December 20, 2014, 04:58:58 PM
Complete powderpuff. Fuming with him. Had a losers mentality today from start to finish. Slow and ponderous on the ball. Pathetic in the tackle. No assists, no goals, no defensive ability. Mulumbu has to play in the middle else teams have a free run at our back four. How can Alan Irvine - the master of detail not see that.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: 17GD on December 20, 2014, 05:01:19 PM
Morrison hasn't been that good for a long time. He's scored a few decent goals, but surely a player has to bring more than the odd goal.

Watch him new years day - he will be p*ssed as a newt running round like a lune. He's always drunk NYE with hangover NYD. A truly professional player.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on December 20, 2014, 05:11:36 PM
Dorrans is exactly the same, and Gardner is a slight improvement on both, who to be fair has a shot on him which can create chances.

Whenever Dorrans and Morrison play, they both have to be at their best to get a result, otherwise we struggle big time. You can't expect to win games with arguably the worst central partnership in the league...
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dudleylad on December 20, 2014, 05:18:06 PM
Morrison for me typifies the problem with our midfield too inconsistant to have any confidence in what performances you are going to get.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 20, 2014, 05:55:25 PM
No doubting that James Morrison should have gone years ago but Mulumbu has hardly been setting the world on fire either with his appalling distribution of the ball and constant giving away of free kicks. He had a chance against Newcastle and was diabolical so it doesn't surprise me that Morrison has got an extended run in the side. Even when Irvine opted to give Yacob a chance he let himself down by getting sent off.

Our central midfield is something which needs addressing in the summer.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggie82 on December 20, 2014, 06:14:14 PM
I don't agree Liam with your criticism of Mulumbu. He's been a monster for us for years and deserves our support. He was no where near as bad as you make out against Newcastle and needs a run in the team to get to his best.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 20, 2014, 06:16:18 PM
I don't agree Liam with your criticism of Mulumbu. He's been a monster for us for years and deserves our support. He was no where near as bad as you make out against Newcastle and needs a run in the team to get to his best.

Mulumbu has been a very good servant and is a good player, there is no doubting that. He has been given opportunities this season most notably against Newcastle and Bournemouth and failed to impress in either. He can have no complaints that he is sitting on the bench.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dexy on December 20, 2014, 06:43:54 PM
I don't agree Liam with your criticism of Mulumbu. He's been a monster for us for years and deserves our support. He was no where near as bad as you make out against Newcastle and needs a run in the team to get to his best.
He was awful and rightly dragged off after a pathetic attempt at stopping the  cross for the 2nd goal , that said it's hard to perform straight away after a while out.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: caravanc58 on December 20, 2014, 06:46:10 PM
Mulumbu has been a very good servant and is a good player, there is no doubting that. He has been given opportunities this season most notably against Newcastle and Bournemouth and failed to impress in either. He can have no complaints that he is sitting on the bench.
hes no poorer than the others who play week in week out, for years ive always thought as our midfield being our strong point,  now it seems like our weakest, the likes of brunt and Morrison should have been replaced last season not given 3 yr extentions in brunts case.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: gazberg on December 20, 2014, 06:47:07 PM
Mulumbu was awful when he played against Newcastle but was rusty as hell. A superior player to Morrison overall, showed signs of getting back to his old self when he last played. Deserves a run.

If we pay a midfield with Mozza and Dozza in against Man C. i dread to think what the score will be.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kris_boing on December 20, 2014, 06:48:51 PM
Morrison was very poor today but its the same Morrison who had his best game in a long while against Villa last week.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: caravanc58 on December 20, 2014, 06:52:19 PM
Morrison was very poor today but its the same Morrison who had his best game in a long while against Villa last week.
best game yes but nothing above what you would expect from an experienced player at this level, just highlights how poor hes been by putting in a standard display
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on December 20, 2014, 06:57:17 PM
Mozza, Dozza and Brunt are well past their best and played together we will always struggle to win games. Gardner isn't a great improvement on them either. We need a midfield general. Our best spells at this level have come with both Mulumbu and Yacob paired behind an attacking 3.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 20, 2014, 07:28:10 PM
Mulumbu may not be what he has been in the past but I think he's still got i in him and I'd rather see him and Yacob than Morrison.

Also don't get me wrong - I used to love Morrison (and Dorrans and Brunt) but I think those three are way past their sell-by. Sorry.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: hardtobeat on December 20, 2014, 07:34:30 PM
Should not play both Morrison and Dorrans in this system one or the other as Morrison is the choice for his country i would have to go with him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 20, 2014, 07:41:22 PM
Should not play both Morrison and Dorrans in this system one or the other as Morrison is the choice for his country i would have to go with him.

I agree with this neither of them are tough enough to control midfield. We really are missing Mulumbu's strength in Midfield.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 20, 2014, 08:48:55 PM
One good game then another 6 or 7 average ones at best. Midfield needs a complete shakeup in the Summer with Brunt and Dorrans also being moved on or replaced in the starting selection by better quality. All great servants but the time comes when all have to be replaced.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kirk on December 20, 2014, 10:45:32 PM
Could it be our head coach is playing him sitting in front of the back 4? He is never that type of player.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: bangkokbaggie on December 20, 2014, 10:55:44 PM
One good game then another 6 or 7 average ones at best. Midfield needs a complete shakeup in the Summer with Brunt and Dorrans also being moved on or replaced in the starting selection by better quality. All great servants but the time comes when all have to be replaced.

Agree. It's just not good enough to have a player as first choice who puts in one decent performance now and again and then is anonymous for most others. People have commented he played well last week against Villa but I wonder if it would have been the same if against 11 men?

Surely there must be a player in the reserves that can come in and break up this dominance of a midfield of similar types of player. Cue next week a midfield of Morrison, Brunt, Dorrans and Gardner.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 21, 2014, 12:31:45 AM
Great servant to the club like brunt but needs to be a squad player not a starter. Looked a liability today
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: pete on December 21, 2014, 06:26:45 AM
There are a lot of clubs out there looking for a "midfield General" Mulumbu has been our for many years and it worked (in the most) so much so that even Arsenal were looking at buying him for a reported £10 million.  Give him game time and let JM have the Dorrans role!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: overseas baggie on December 21, 2014, 10:20:24 AM
There are a lot of clubs out there looking for a "midfield General" Mulumbu has been our for many years and it worked (in the most) so much so that even Arsenal were looking at buying him for a reported £10 million.  Give him game time and let JM have the Dorrans role!

Agreed re Mulumbu, but his partnership with Yacob worked brilliantly and Yacob is nowhere to be seen.

A spine of Foster, Lescott/McAuley, Mulumbu/Yacob and Berahino gives us something very solid indeed.

Add in Wisdom, Poc, Sess, Varela and ONE of Gardner/Brunt/Dorrans/Morrison and it looks very different.   However we are continually playing with at least 3 and sometimes all 4 of Gardner/Brunt/Dorrans/Morrison,  and that's not good enough for the Premiership.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggie82 on December 21, 2014, 12:54:50 PM
we are continually playing with at least 3 and sometimes all 4 of Gardner/Brunt/Dorrans/Morrison,  and that's not good enough for the Premiership.

Spot on. This is doing my head in when Yacob and Mulumbu are on the bench.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: KingKoren on December 21, 2014, 01:08:19 PM
Gone from being the best player against Villa to putting in that disgraceful performance. Of course that's Irvine's fault somehow.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: lewisant on December 21, 2014, 01:31:25 PM
I'm just going to put myself in the minority here and oppose what everybody is saying. Firstly, I think he, Gardner and Dorrans were poor yesterday BUT overall I think he's a great player to have on the pitch. I don't think he always passes sideways or backwards and I do think he's a player that shores up the midfield very well.

He's quick-footed and his one touch passing is excellent.

I do think however that Dorrans, Gardner, Brunt and Morrison should never start together. I'd much rather see him in the middle of an attacking 3 of Sess and Varela. Stick Mulumbu and Yacob behind. I think he'd be effective in that midfield.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: joeymayo on December 22, 2014, 10:31:26 AM
Gone from being the best player against Villa to putting in that disgraceful performance. Of course that's Irvine's fault somehow.

Obviously Brunt did not play so JM becomes the scapegoat.

I tend not to look at this board because there is so much negativity surrounding certain players, I make my own analysis from viewing the game, however I was not at QPR so was restricted to what I saw, like many others, on TV.

Yes he held his marker, like so many others, unfortunately he was the unlucky one who got caught. But for the other goals he had no input as to their execution, unlike Poco who was the main protagonist with the second and third.

Another thing I like to do is take an unbiased opinion, that would be the press, who give their own individual assessment and JM in most opinions started brightly and faded as the game went on and overall averaged a mark of 6 out of 10.

Other players were marked lower but they don't seem to be berated on here, the obvious one is Dorrans who has been nothing short of embarrasing for some weeks now.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mister AT on December 22, 2014, 10:48:26 AM
Ive always liked Morrison in terms of his playing ability, just at times he seems off form. But then that goes for 95% of our team.

If I had to pick who to start between him and Dorrans, I would probably play Morrison if im honest.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: lewisant on December 22, 2014, 12:50:18 PM
In regards to the last two posters, i'd agree, Dorrans has been below par for a while now, he's got himself in good positions only to fluff his passes/crosses/shots. I don't see me as using him as a scapegoat because he's actually one of my favourite players but i think he should be dropped.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 22, 2014, 12:53:21 PM
The whole midfield is much of a muchness, none are better or worse than any others whether that be Morrison, Dorrans or Brunt. Gardner started off slightly better but recently has dropped below those standards. Its not any particular one of them thats needs dropping its all of them. They ALL give the ball away at times not just one or two of them.

The axis needs to be returned to Mulumbu and Yacob with then one of Gardner, Morrison, Dorrans or Sess beyond the striker and Varela on the left with Brunt or Sess on the right
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 22, 2014, 01:07:10 PM
Morrison was very poor today but its the same Morrison who had his best game in a long while against Villa last week.

That's the thing with Morrison at this level though I guess, he just isn't and has never been consistent, has always had purple patches when you think he is a proper player but then goes missing and struggles to influence games.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 22, 2014, 09:10:39 PM
i went to the Vile game and when the side se out i saw Morrison playing in the sweeper role and thought i had lost my mind.
then when they went down to 10 men and Morrison played really well i thought this genius of a coach had at last arrived.
Then when Delph came on and ran the midfield and Morrison hardly had a kick sanity returned to my head and then the panic set in  :o :o :o he might play him there against QPR, no surely not in a game of high tempo players flying around like wasps and a real pressure cooker of a ground. Just how would we get away with that?.
Well we didn't and he was given the run around as i feared. I am not blaming him, How can anyone in there right mind having seen him play and know the type of player he "WAS", play him in that position and have Mulumbu and Yacob on the bench.
Any faith i had of getting out of this mess vanished in an instant, god help us.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggies54 on December 23, 2014, 11:45:42 AM
How can the new wonder boys in the backroom allow Morrison to be the one to make this post on the official club site, sure ther is truth in some of it, but Morrison, they are havin' a giraffe aint they.  They have certainly had some 'picking up' to do this year.

JAMES Morrison has insisted that the whole of the Albion squad will be pulling in the same direction as they prepare to tackle a hectic Christmas schedule.

The Baggies face Barclays Premier League champions Manchester City on Boxing Day, before heading to Stoke City two days later and then West Ham on New Year’s Day.

Morrison played the full 90 minutes of Saturday afternoon’s defeat at Loftus Road, where his side were unable to build on last weekend’s derby win over Villa.

But with three games in six days, the Scotland international says the player’s must take the positives from QPR into the ‘crucial’ festive period.

“We have to pick ourselves up,” said Morrison.

“On a positive note it is good for us that we have a string of games coming up thick and fast.

“The Christmas season is crucial to your season and in the past we have struggled.

“We are going to need the whole squad to pull in the same direction to get through this period.

“We have a massive three games ahead of us and we need to start winning.

“We are really disappointed with the QPR result but we must take the positives from the performance.”

The 28-year-old added: “Our next game is against Manchester City and they don’t come much tougher than that.

“We have a good bunch of lads in the dressing room and we all know what it will take to get a result against them.

“We just have to take the positives from the QPR game and give it our all, and then you never know what can happen.”

Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-west-brom-wba-james-morrison-2157884.aspx#A0xQbw4VfbDw7Z0o.99
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Albionic on December 23, 2014, 12:50:30 PM
"good set of lads, all pull together"  doesn't really cut it , simply platitudes, where is the

"we have been doing drills on defending corners and attacking from set pieces",
"the set piece takers have had extra training on delivery",
" the forwards had sessions against defence focussing on finding space and shooting practice" ............
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 23, 2014, 02:56:34 PM
its far too cushy isnt it, blah blah this blah blah that
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggie82 on December 31, 2014, 09:09:49 AM
Some classic quotes from Morrison on the official site:

"Every week you give your all for the head coach and the bond with the players was strong. You could probably see in the performances that we were all trying our hardest"

Last time I checked standing around like a traffic cone did not constitute giving your all or trying your hardest. His performance levels and work rate have been abysmal. I'm looking forward to Pulis putting the living fear into a few of them.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2014, 09:13:07 AM
Some classic quotes from Morrison on the official site:

"Every week you give your all for the head coach and the bond with the players was strong. You could probably see in the performances that we were all trying our hardest"

Last time I checked standing around like a traffic cone did not constitute giving your all or trying your hardest. His performance levels and work rate have been abysmal. I'm looking forward to Pulis putting the living fear into a few of them.


Me too presuming Pulis does get the job. Some of these players will not know what's hit them.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 09:14:18 AM
Some classic quotes from Morrison on the official site:

"Every week you give your all for the head coach and the bond with the players was strong. You could probably see in the performances that we were all trying our hardest"

Last time I checked standing around like a traffic cone did not constitute giving your all or trying your hardest. His performance levels and work rate have been abysmal. I'm looking forward to Pulis putting the living fear into a few of them.

If he honestly feels he's given 100% in every game he's played then he needs to be sold as he simply ain't good enough.

We all know what Morrison is capable of but even the most positive of Albion fans can agree that Morrison is far away from giving 100% each game this season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Albionic on December 31, 2014, 09:21:37 AM
tongue in cheek comment ?

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: joeymayo on December 31, 2014, 01:00:59 PM
Some classic quotes from Morrison on the official site:

"Every week you give your all for the head coach and the bond with the players was strong. You could probably see in the performances that we were all trying our hardest"

Last time I checked standing around like a traffic cone did not constitute giving your all or trying your hardest. His performance levels and work rate have been abysmal. I'm looking forward to Pulis putting the living fear into a few of them.
Well all managers/head coaches cant be wrong I'll bet he's in the team whoever is in charge, Mozza is one of only a few stars we have at this club.
Probably first name on the sheet when fully fit, class act
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Albionic on December 31, 2014, 01:06:23 PM
Well all managers/head coaches cant be wrong I'll bet he's in the team whoever is in charge, Mozza is one of only a few stars we have at this club.
Probably first name on the sheet when fully fit, class act .

I doubt many would question JM's ability.
Attitude ??
Application ??
Commitment ??
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on December 31, 2014, 01:57:32 PM
Bit off-topic from the recently quoted Morrison article, but I actually still see a future for him at the club.
Basically, as bad as he's been this season, the fact remains he's been played out of position. I would never want him replacing Sessegnon in an attacking role as he's inferior...but Morrison isn't a holding midfielder, and never has been.

It reminds me of Chris Brunt last year. In the end of his reign, Steve Clarke was putting him in the middle and it looked awful, then Mel put him on the wing and he looked transformed. My point is, Morrison isn't exactly Messi but even then he was always going to look a lot worse when played out of position, that goes for any player.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Albionic on December 31, 2014, 02:00:31 PM
fair point, must be demoralising being played out of position, maybe thats why he looks so poor / out of sorts.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggie82 on December 31, 2014, 04:40:51 PM
There is no excuse for his lack of effort. Watching Man City break on us from our corner on Boxing Day and watching Morrison and Gardner make no attempt to get back in time to assist Lescott & co was an eye-opener. Lescott's reaction to Morrison when the third goal went in from Silva was priceless. Pulis will not stand for it. Ability alone isn't enough, you have to work for the team and Morrison has been content for a long time to let games pass him by, when he has the talent to affect them.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 31, 2014, 05:32:28 PM
There is no excuse for his lack of effort. Watching Man City break on us from our corner on Boxing Day and watching Morrison and Gardner make no attempt to get back in time to assist Lescott & co was an eye-opener. Lescott's reaction to Morrison when the third goal went in from Silva was priceless. Pulis will not stand for it. Ability alone isn't enough, you have to work for the team and Morrison has been content for a long time to let games pass him by, when he has the talent to affect them.

You mean when Lescott gave the ball away trying a very simple pass to Morrison that I would hope to complete 100 percent of the time?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 05, 2015, 06:24:34 PM
ITV Central News---- Chris Morrison scored Albions 6th goal  ::) 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on March 06, 2015, 02:24:19 PM
Well done Jimmy Morrison, 250 appearances if he plays against the vile (200 League last Tuesday).

Love this paragraph, seems to know whats required for tomorrow

"The manner of the defeat is extra motivation, especially seeing them celebrate like they'd won the cup - not least as they'd been struggling and won it with the last kick of the game.

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/west-bromwich-albion-james-morrison-baggies-throstles-2317453.aspx
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: SmethDan on March 06, 2015, 03:02:21 PM
Nice one James.
Let's have another goal or two like the one linked in the video below for tomorrow please.
 8).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8shzB8WIeWA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8shzB8WIeWA)

The first aerial view of that goal from the Smeth' toward the end of the clip, was pretty much my view of it.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Gilsey 56 on March 07, 2015, 01:37:15 PM
We need a big performance tonight off the midfield they were awful on Tuesday.
lets bring the roof down tonight . COYB
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 08, 2015, 01:23:21 PM
Another one who talks his mouth and backs it up on the pitch with **** all.

Is he out of the Villa players back pockets yet?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: zac on March 08, 2015, 04:15:48 PM
He was too far back for my liking yesterday. In that midfield we put out yesterday he is the only one who i thought could possible produce something but he was effectively forced to play as a defensive midfielder. I would have liked to have seen Mulumbu on and let Morrison go a bit further forward and provide some support to the strikers as they've had none at all in the past 2 games.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: alfie07 on August 23, 2015, 08:52:49 PM
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/08/23/james-morrison-was-simply-outstanding-for-west-brom-against-chel/?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on August 23, 2015, 10:25:21 PM
Best performance in a long while small wonder when played in his best position which is the attacking midfielder in a 4-2-3-1. I would hope to see him playing away at Stoke in the same role.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 23, 2015, 11:05:18 PM
Shame about the penalty miss.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on August 23, 2015, 11:05:19 PM
Best performance in a long while small wonder when played in his best position which is the attacking midfielder in a 4-2-3-1. I would hope to see him playing away at Stoke in the same role.

He has been very good in that position before, which is easily his best position. The problem is that our opponents figured that out and started to mark him out of games. When that happened he simply disappeared from games.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on August 24, 2015, 07:47:12 AM
He has been very good in that position before, which is easily his best position. The problem is that our opponents figured that out and started to mark him out of games. When that happened he simply disappeared from games.

The last time he had an extended run there was in Clarke's first season which was the season that he and the rest of the team put the flip flops on shortly after Christmas so I am not sure whether it was team's sussing us out or an appalling lack of application. My criticism of him at the time was that even when he played well he wasn't scoring enough goals. If we are playing 4-2-3-1 we need the three behind Rondon to weigh in with goals and ideally at least one of them to score 10 plus goals across the season. Morrison has got off to a good start but he cannot go another 10 games without scoring if we are to play him there.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: joeymayo on August 24, 2015, 10:38:51 AM
He has been very good in that position before, which is easily his best position. The problem is that our opponents figured that out and started to mark him out of games. When that happened he simply disappeared from games.


No he didn't disapper out of it. A multi-million pound midfield which maraudes all over the pitch will always overwhelm one man sitting behind the front players, two players out wide, two defensive midfielders sitting back protecting the back four (especially Ollson, who is a liability every game). Morrison was the best Albion player on the pitch, identified by the Sky analysts, who also said he was unlucky not to get Man of the Match.
He was substituted because of fatigue, if all players put in as much effort as him who knows what we would have got out of the game.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BobTaylor on August 24, 2015, 10:48:20 AM
First name on the teamsheet if we are not going to sign a creative centre mid, Unless people want to see a centre midfield of Gardner, yacob, Fletcher  :-X.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on August 24, 2015, 01:23:37 PM

No he didn't disapper out of it. A multi-million pound midfield which maraudes all over the pitch will always overwhelm one man sitting behind the front players, two players out wide, two defensive midfielders sitting back protecting the back four (especially Ollson, who is a liability every game). Morrison was the best Albion player on the pitch, identified by the Sky analysts, who also said he was unlucky not to get Man of the Match.
He was substituted because of fatigue, if all players put in as much effort as him who knows what we would have got out of the game.

I was talking about Jimmy's previous spells as attacking midfielder, not this one game. He has had some excellent runs as cam (going back to the RdM and Hodgson days and later) where he was very efficient for a number of games, but then suddenly only to fall of the radar completely once our opponents started to mark him. Then the head coach would switch tactics and Mozza would barely have any impact for months on end (being asked to play defensive mid or somesuch nonsense).
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jimmy on August 24, 2015, 07:23:30 PM
Was named in the Gazette dello Sporto team of the week.

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/west-brom-star-named-in-europe-s-best-after-chelsea-heroics (http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/west-brom-star-named-in-europe-s-best-after-chelsea-heroics)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 24, 2015, 07:26:03 PM
Was named in the Gazette dello Sporto team of the week.

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/west-brom-star-named-in-europe-s-best-after-chelsea-heroics (http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/west-brom-star-named-in-europe-s-best-after-chelsea-heroics)

I'm not surprised, he was outstanding apart from the penalty miss, but to be honest, that should have been sorted before kick off.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kris_boing on January 03, 2016, 12:24:30 AM
Thought Mozza was brilliant today. Hasn't been the most consistent but I think forward thinking players until Pulis will struggle for consistency anyway.

I look at players like Morrison and Brunt and get the feeling we'll miss them when they are gone. I hope that Pulis doesn't deem them surplus in favour of more 'physical' players.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on January 03, 2016, 01:01:00 AM
Thought Mozza was brilliant today. Hasn't been the most consistent but I think forward thinking players until Pulis will struggle for consistency anyway.

I look at players like Morrison and Brunt and get the feeling we'll miss them when they are gone. I hope that Pulis doesn't deem them surplus in favour of more 'physical' players.
Indeed, his assist was taken nicely. He did the same ball to Lambert who may have scored if he didn't mess it up and trip on the ball.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on January 03, 2016, 03:33:54 AM
Indeed, his assist was taken nicely. He did the same ball to Lambert who may have scored if he didn't mess it up and trip on the ball.
After that trip I am like cant make anymore excuses for Rick I hope he proves me wrong though
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: cads_ap_albion on January 03, 2016, 08:57:01 AM
Isn't he out of contract this year. I hope we are talking to him because he is a good squad/ starting player on his day.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 03, 2016, 09:22:07 AM
Our longest serving player and deserves a new contract just for slapping Berahino. Bought by Tony Mowbray, 10 managers ago. (Poetic license using caretaker managers  ;D)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on January 03, 2016, 09:46:06 AM
Isn't he out of contract this year. I hope we are talking to him because he is a good squad/ starting player on his day.

Yes and it surprising that he hasn't  signed an extension, I suspect he might be running the his contract down
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 03, 2016, 03:41:31 PM
I've never warmed to Morrison the same way I have to Brunt, and I think it might be because of how inconsistent he is.

Yesterday is what he is capable of, yet when he plays badly, he might as well not be on the pitch - he tends to be a passenger.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: overseas baggie on January 11, 2016, 12:05:06 AM
From the Daily Star tonight

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/486597/James-Morrison-West-Brom-Premier-League-FA-Cup-Bristol-City-Tony-Pulis-Saido-Berahino

Really not sure why we would be releasing him.   Is he a troublemaker (other than thumping Berahino)?   
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 11, 2016, 02:22:19 AM
Some tough decisions need to be made about the squad soon and Morrison is one of them. I've always liked him but I'm not sure he has enough influence on games on a consistent enough basis especially as he'll be one of our higher earners.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on January 11, 2016, 06:39:43 AM
Always like Morrison and though he was our only real Premiership quality player when we flitted between the Prem and the the Championship.
I'd play him ahead of Fletcher any day.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 11, 2016, 08:47:04 AM
From the Daily Star tonight

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/486597/James-Morrison-West-Brom-Premier-League-FA-Cup-Bristol-City-Tony-Pulis-Saido-Berahino

Really not sure why we would be releasing him.   Is he a troublemaker (other than thumping Berahino)?

it's from the Daily Star!
Morrison has given a really good interview in recent match day programs where he was talking about wanting to get into the 300 club like Brunt and about being part of the team that takes West Brom to another (higher) level if possible.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: seteefeet on January 11, 2016, 09:38:41 AM
The poll attached to the article has 91% wanting him to stay.
Not the first name on the team sheet, but a crucial part of a paper thin squad, definitely should be getting an extension.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on January 11, 2016, 09:53:45 AM
He's the kind of player that we need to improve on but has been a good servant and we'll miss him if we fail to replace him.  Can see him potentially returning to Middlesborough should they come up and we don't sort something out first.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BB74 on January 11, 2016, 10:00:27 AM
I think he'll go this summer. Pulis is not afraid to make the tough decisions such as when Mulumbu was let go.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: sing on our own on January 11, 2016, 10:10:16 AM
Pulis wants to build the team around 'Gards' Gardner so players like Morrison are going to be surplus, never mind in 'TP' we trust apparently.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 11, 2016, 10:15:49 AM
Pulis wants to build the team around 'Gards' Gardner so players like Morrison are going to be surplus, never mind in 'TP' we trust apparently.

Even though he's played every game when he's been available?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: seteefeet on January 11, 2016, 10:19:17 AM
Pulis wants to build the team around 'Gards' Gardner so players like Morrison are going to be surplus, never mind in 'TP' we trust apparently.
I have been one of Gardner's biggest critics and yes, he does get too much game time, but I don't think anyone could suggest Pulis is building a team around him! Nor can he build a team around Morrison, neither are good enough.
That said, of the two, Morrison is far superior and should be kept on as a squad player. He may, of course, want to go elsewhere for regular football, in which case good luck to him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: sing on our own on January 11, 2016, 10:20:52 AM
I was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 11, 2016, 10:40:47 AM
I was being sarcastic.

Ah sorry!,
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mikkyk on January 11, 2016, 10:48:38 AM
I would be very disappointed if he doesn't get offered a new contract
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 11, 2016, 11:27:02 AM
I would be very disappointed if he doesn't get offered a new contract

agreed. should be done now, it shouldn't be hard to tie up in reality
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Morany on January 11, 2016, 11:38:05 AM
For me, I'm on the flipside. He's been a great servent to the club, and whilst I wouldnt moan if we offered him a new deal, I wouldn't be too fussed if we let him go.

He's not been very good for a while for me, and doesn't offer as much as he used to.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on January 11, 2016, 11:44:47 AM
I think he'll go this summer. Pulis is not afraid to make the tough decisions such as when Mulumbu was let go.

or wrong ones.
He let the likes of Mulumbu and Dorrans go and brings in the likes of Lamchop and Chester.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 11, 2016, 12:17:12 PM
or wrong ones.
He let the likes of Mulumbu and Dorrans go and brings in the likes of Lamchop and Chester.

Hardly pulling up trees at Norwich though are they?. Dorrans has played more (11 times) than Mulumbu (5) in the league though. Our midfield is not any weaker without them.

Agree Chester and Lambert have been poor though.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: darbolina on January 11, 2016, 12:43:43 PM
I'm of the opinion if we can get a younger, stronger attacking centre midfielder I'd thank Mozza and wish him good luck and goodbye......... We're approaching the time when he, Brunt, Olsson and McCauley who have been the back bone of our team for a while will be off (or should be)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 11, 2016, 12:46:11 PM
Morrison still has a role to play here for the next couple of years. While we should be looking at better players, he should still be good enough for a squad player until he's at least 32/33.

That being said, Pulis will let him go for somebody bigger and stronger. I still get the feeling the Pulis vision is being hamstrung by our transfer policy, but if he can get rid of some (such as Morrison and Sessegnon) on free transfers at the end of the year it will suit him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Morany on January 11, 2016, 12:48:12 PM
We are crying out for a box to box midfield with height and pace. Morrison doesn't fit any of these criteria. He will be phased out
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on January 11, 2016, 01:06:42 PM
Think Jimmy has been brilliant for us but I'm sure there's better out there with great respect. I'm happy if he stays but not too fussed if he goes.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jimmy on January 11, 2016, 01:27:56 PM
Honestly, Morrison is a class above most of our team. Sell him at our peril.

Another shot in the heart of the Albion if he goes in my opinion.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 11, 2016, 01:29:39 PM
Well I had the crystal ball out and posted in another thread yesterday that we should be less nostalgic and the midfield needs an overall
I think he's been ok in the prem and good in the champ but....why do people moan about Saido but praise Morrison who assaults one of our team?, also lost a bit of respect when he interviewed with Scotland making under the breath comments re WBA .

No big loss
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: mulliganstired on January 11, 2016, 01:36:25 PM
Morrison still has a role to play here for the next couple of years. While we should be looking at better players, he should still be good enough for a squad player until he's at least 32/33.

That being said, Pulis will let him go for somebody bigger and stronger. I still get the feeling the Pulis vision is being hamstrung by our transfer policy, but if he can get rid of some (such as Morrison and Sessegnon) on free transfers at the end of the year it will suit him.
I like him as a player, but not sure he's suited to a bit part role, he isn't the sort of player to come on and shake things up.  At the moment he's the only real attacking central midfielder we've got, though So I'd want to give him a 2 year contract - he's an honest player who gives us continuity.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on January 11, 2016, 01:40:53 PM
A fantastic servant and one of the reasons why we are an established top flight club. However he like Brunt and Olsson are past their prime and need replacing to enable us to progress as a team.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tylerm on January 11, 2016, 01:46:07 PM
I look at it this way
What other premier league clubs would want to take him ?
Sides just promoted probably but very few others in my opinion
There is the answer (same with Brunt )
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on January 11, 2016, 01:48:03 PM
Well I had the crystal ball out and posted in another thread yesterday that we should be less nostalgic and the midfield needs an overall
I think he's been ok in the prem and good in the champ but....why do people moan about Saido but praise Morrison who assaults one of our team?, also lost a bit of respect when he interviewed with Scotland making under the breath comments re WBA .

No big loss

I prefer to think of it as bitch slapping a disrespectful little tosser. I hope he does it again before his contract ends
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: ComebackStrodds on January 11, 2016, 01:59:20 PM
Well I had the crystal ball out and posted in another thread yesterday that we should be less nostalgic and the midfield needs an overall
I think he's been ok in the prem and good in the champ but....why do people moan about Saido but praise Morrison who assaults one of our team?, also lost a bit of respect when he interviewed with Scotland making under the breath comments re WBA .

No big loss

I'll always love Morrison, he's head and shoulders above most of our current squad. As for assaulting berahino, it's a shame he didn't break his legs, ungrateful little gobshi**
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Morany on January 11, 2016, 02:18:07 PM
I look at it this way
What other premier league clubs would want to take him ?
Sides just promoted probably but very few others in my opinion
There is the answer (same with Brunt )

Great point, nobody really apart from promoted sides looking for experience would want him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: SmethDan on January 11, 2016, 03:06:20 PM
Morrison has been/still is a good club servant and remains a technically proficient performer.

However, I cannot help but think he's one of those players who TP refers to as being too comfortable.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jimmy on January 11, 2016, 03:32:15 PM
If we sell him who the F@ck do you think Pulis will buy?

I dont trust him to buy a better midfielder.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 11, 2016, 03:35:12 PM
I would be very disappointed if he doesn't get offered a new contract

To be fair I was very surprised to hear that they haven't had any talks with him, I remember reading back in the summer some time that the club were set to sit down and have discussions about a new deal for him. Perhaps this is his way of trying to get questions asked to push the issue.

Personally I'm often left frustrated by his performances, he's a good technical footballer that I feel could add so much more to the side than he often does.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 11, 2016, 04:14:22 PM
If we sell him who the F@ck do you think Pulis will buy?

I dont trust him to buy a better midfielder.


I agrre with this, morrison should easily get another 2 years
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kris_boing on January 11, 2016, 06:26:47 PM
It'll be a disappointing day if we let his contract run out and he leaves.  One of the first names on the team sheet for me and although I know theres no room for sentiment in football Morrison still deserves a place in the team.

In a more attacking team I feel Morrison would benefit and produce more consistently than he perhaps has done this season.

If he does go I don't trust Pulis one bit to replace him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 11, 2016, 09:30:15 PM
Morrison has been/still is a good club servant and remains a technically proficient performer.

However, I cannot help but think he's one of those players who TP refers to as being too comfortable.

I agree with this - maybe new surroundings is best for both?

In a summer which will see a potential high turnover in players I'd be tempted to offer Morrison some extension of some sort just to cover ourselves in case the summer window doesn't go as anticipated.

Further to that I'd build a statue of Morrison next to Bomber, purely because he whalloped that twonk Berahino.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: elkiellis on January 11, 2016, 09:49:01 PM
hes a better goal scorer than anyone who plays in the forward line at the moment,in a 4 5 1 formation being allowed to push on in a central position that's were he is best,a very clever footballer and a great servant to the club
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: darbolina on January 12, 2016, 05:58:26 PM
Two years ago Elkie maybe but he just isn't the same player these days.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jimmy on January 12, 2016, 06:00:54 PM
Two years ago Elkie maybe but he just isn't the same player these days.

Hes not as good as he was and still a better player then most of our team.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 12, 2016, 11:31:34 PM
While I believe we have to evolve from brunt Morrison Olsson etc. Tbat doesn't mean get rid off. It means find somebody better and phase them out over time.
A short term deal is required.

Squad spaces need freeing up but there are a lot of bit part and even no part players that need going before our top scorer
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on January 12, 2016, 11:59:41 PM
I don't believe Morrison was central to TP's plans going into the season but since we have dropped the 4-4-2 with Lambert or Berahino playing alongside Rondon and moved to a 4-2-3-1 Morrison has a role. Going forward I am sure that Pulis will revert to type and at that point Morrison won't be a starter. I would never give a player who is not going to be a regular starter a new contract particularly  if they are one of the bigger earners in the squad.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 13, 2016, 12:27:58 AM
I guess a lot would depend on his demands as well, he's reportedly on around £48k a week at the moment, how much higher can the club go and what offers would he get elsewhere on what would possibly be his last big pay deal given his age.

From a personal view I would give him a 2 year plus 1 year option BUT as its known we are looking for central midfielders could those wages be better used ?

Tricky one for the club with no right or wrong decision.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BigFrank20 on January 13, 2016, 05:03:41 AM
Perhaps we are waiting to see how this transfer window finishes up before making, or not, him an offer?
I hope we do 'because I have quite a soft spot for our Jimmy and his contribution over the years
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on January 13, 2016, 09:01:13 AM
I guess a lot would depend on his demands as well, he's reportedly on around £48k a week at the moment, how much higher can the club go and what offers would he get elsewhere on what would possibly be his last big pay deal given his age.

From a personal view I would give him a 2 year plus 1 year option BUT as its known we are looking for central midfielders could those wages be better used ?

Tricky one for the club with no right or wrong decision.


If the £48k a week figure is true then it is a real simple decision for that wage he has to be a regular starter if he is going to be given a new contract. Someone at the club needs to sit Tony Pulis  down and ask him what are his plans for Morrison going forward. If the answer is anything other than the AM role in a 4-2-3-1 then no contract. I think the conversation has already happened and anything that he says otherwise is probably the usual Pulis BS.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: AshD on January 13, 2016, 09:20:06 AM
Damn good club bloke and still a big player for us - one of, if not the only, fetcher and carrier we have. He quite often drives us forward.

Defo worth a new two year deal.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: caravanc58 on January 13, 2016, 09:41:13 AM
has been a great club man but he goes missing for long spells, to go forward we need to find younger replacements with equal abilities as Morrison, we will struggle eventually if we don't bring in some pace and lower the average age of the squad.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: joeymayo on January 13, 2016, 10:31:52 AM
has been a great club man but he goes missing for long spells, to go forward we need to find younger replacements with equal abilities as Morrison, we will struggle eventually if we don't bring in some pace and lower the average age of the squad.

Problem with that scenario is it is going to cost. The way forward is to offer JM a new contract at reduced wages.That aligned with other players running down contacts and TP looking to offload is going to balance the books as it were.
JM is a damn good player but unfortunately time waits for no man. He could also drop a goolie by not reducing his demands. JM is settled in the area and is well liked around the club - not a trait everyone gives. Sign him up (at the right price of course).
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on January 13, 2016, 10:51:33 AM
Problem with that scenario is it is going to cost. The way forward is to offer JM a new contract at reduced wages.That aligned with other players running down contacts and TP looking to offload is going to balance the books as it were.
JM is a damn good player but unfortunately time waits for no man. He could also drop a goolie by not reducing his demands. JM is settled in the area and is well liked around the club - not a trait everyone gives. Sign him up (at the right price of course).

Absolutely but it needs to be done. We can't keep going down the cheap and easy option of giving players like Morrison, Ollson and Brunt new deals. They are all ageing and on the decline. Sooner or later it will catch up with us and we will get relegated.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MarkW on January 14, 2016, 10:30:02 AM
Any news on how long he'll be out for?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 16, 2016, 08:18:38 PM
If 8 weeks is true, and if it is also true that he felt his hamstring in the two previous matches then surely there must be some concern as to who is giving them the nod to play?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adamstv on January 16, 2016, 08:39:47 PM
That's really disappointing that he'll be out for so long. Now he's out let's see how we perform over the next few weeks. He'll be missed
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 16, 2016, 09:29:41 PM
Ridiculous as it was said he felt his hamstring the previous couple of games. Medical staff and manager have to take some responsibility for is one. I know he isn't at his best anywhere near often enough but he'll be a big loss, we need to hope that Fletcher isn't out for too long now too.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 16, 2016, 11:45:20 PM
Ultimate responsibilty falls on the player, he will only play if he feels he can, questions will be asked as to whether he feels he can play, he only has to say no and the medical staff will be watching to see how he perfroms in training.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: frazzle on January 16, 2016, 11:49:14 PM
Ultimate responsibilty falls on the player, he will only play if he feels he can, questions will be asked as to whether he feels he can play, he only has to say no and the medical staff will be watching to see how he perfroms in training.

Possibly, but how many players are asked to play through an injury by their manager. I'm sure it happens all the time, and Pulis strikes me as the kind of guy who would want his players to play through  injury if they can. Same applies to Olson.

Ultimately he's not using his squad.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 17, 2016, 11:04:00 AM
Possibly, but how many players are asked to play through an injury by their manager. I'm sure it happens all the time, and Pulis strikes me as the kind of guy who would want his players to play through  injury if they can. Same applies to Olson.

Ultimately he's not using his squad.

So the player has to say no I am injured, the story ends then.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: AlbionBest on January 17, 2016, 11:08:44 AM
Missed him yesterday.

I said in an earlier thread about a midfield without Mozza and Fletch and it's frightening after witnessing yesterday - CHEQUE BOOK TIME MR PEACE !

This squad needs some help or we could be regretting it come the end of the season as the clubs around are strengthening and bringing in some potentially exciting signings to give them a boost.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Smooth Lad on January 17, 2016, 11:25:42 AM
So the player has to say no I am injured, the story ends then.

I disagree slightly, if the player uses his head, he won't risk it, he won't play. However, I'm sure we've all played football, we know that if you love the game so much, you want to play all you can, till you literally cannot physically play, sometimes we use our heart over head and risk it, not taking into account we could be out for longer if we carry on playing.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 17, 2016, 11:30:11 AM
I disagree slightly, if the player uses his head, he won't risk it, he won't play. However, I'm sure we've all played football, we know that if you love the game so much, you want to play all you can, till you literally cannot physically play, sometimes we use our heart over head and risk it, not taking into account we could be out for longer if we carry on playing.

I know players are not exactly the smartest at times, there's plenty of players that declare themselves fit and then end up going off during a game, Andy Carroll seems a master of it but they have to take the responsibility if they declare themselves fit. Managers have to take their word for it. Yeah I know they will say, take an injection and you'll be fine, still upto the player.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 17, 2016, 12:06:15 PM
So the player has to say no I am injured, the story ends then.
Not so sure with TP, if I were a player there may be a fear that he takes it personally ....again?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 17, 2016, 12:22:47 PM
Not so sure with TP, if I were a player there may be a fear that he takes it personally ....again?

Given how outspoken said player is I doubt he gives a toss about anyone taking anything personally.  :D

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Foster#1 on January 17, 2016, 08:32:20 PM
8 weeks then..

may hinder his chances of a new contract?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on January 17, 2016, 09:23:54 PM
8 weeks then..

may hinder his chances of a new contract?

It will certainly hinder our progress to 40 points
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 18, 2016, 10:18:46 AM
Morrison is a key player in this team off the striker, his end product is better than any of the other midfielders, miles better than the next best option Sess.

Big, big dent in our hopes of a cup run and a comfortable March, April and May, I feel he's a big enough miss that instead of being safe early March it could now be mid April before we hit 40 points.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: cads_ap_albion on April 07, 2016, 12:35:01 PM
Has anyone heArd any news of James being spoken to by the club about a new contract?

I am sure he was quoted somewhere as saying that he had not had any discussions, which if he is correct, amazes me....

Whilst not the best player in the league, he is one of our more creative players and I think we have missed his ability to dribble and create.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 07, 2016, 12:39:30 PM
is he fit & ready? Hull Baggie has him in Saturdays team
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: darbolina on April 07, 2016, 12:43:31 PM
He can put a foot in , is committed, has skill, can take the ball 'between the lines' from defence to attack, can score one or two and can play in a variety of positions across midfield. We should offer him a new contract.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 07, 2016, 12:56:40 PM
is he fit & ready? Hull Baggie has him in Saturdays team

He was supposed to be ready for Saturday, after having a set back that prevented him playing against Sunderland.

My including him in the team is more hope that anything else!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on April 07, 2016, 02:16:53 PM
He can put a foot in , is committed, has skill, can take the ball 'between the lines' from defence to attack, can score one or two and can play in a variety of positions across midfield. We should offer him a new contract.

I'd agree but for us to improve as a side I don't see him as a regular starter. A good solid squad player for me.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: johnny Cash on April 07, 2016, 02:42:20 PM
When I think of the rebuild needed and it seems silly to allow him to leave.

Enough squad places to worry about without letting a steady player go.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on April 07, 2016, 05:35:49 PM
When I think of the rebuild needed and it seems silly to allow him to leave.

Enough squad places to worry about without letting a steady player go.

It might be Morrison does not want to stay as much as us letting him go. Equally unless Pulis is planning on playing him as a first choice attacking midfielder then I wouldn't have him as a squad player he simply isn't good enough in any other position to justify what are quite likely to be more than decent wages.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: stokelad84 on April 07, 2016, 05:43:27 PM
Is he not keeping his options open in case Middlesboro win promotion?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 07, 2016, 07:32:07 PM
Has anyone heArd any news of James being spoken to by the club about a new contract?

I am sure he was quoted somewhere as saying that he had not had any discussions, which if he is correct, amazes me....
Pulis commented soon afterwards that those quotes weren't quite correct which would suggest we have had talks.  Personally I would be disappointing to see him leave and then to see us to spend a big dollop on someone like Jake Livermore.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 07, 2016, 09:44:26 PM
Morrison is a key player in this team off the striker, his end product is better than any of the other midfielders, miles better than the next best option Sess.

Big, big dent in our hopes of a cup run and a comfortable March, April and May, I feel he's a big enough miss that instead of being safe early March it could now be mid April before we hit 40 points.
In a morning when you have a cup of tea, do you spend the rest of the day telling everybody that coffee is crap?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 07, 2016, 10:05:40 PM
In a morning when you have a cup of tea, do you spend the rest of the day telling everybody that coffee is crap?

My post is worryingly accurate... 40 points in April and what cup run?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BigFrank20 on April 08, 2016, 04:55:20 AM
Pulis commented soon afterwards that those quotes weren't quite correct which would suggest we have had talks.  Personally I would be disappointing to see him leave and then to see us to spend a big dollop on someone like Jake Livermore.
Is that not like being a little bit pregnant? We are either negotiating something with him or we are not?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on April 08, 2016, 06:48:25 AM
I still feel that Morrison is one of the few creative quality footballers that we have in our side.
Personally when you see the like of Jake Livermore's name banded about how can anyone in their right mind think about letting Morrison leave?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on April 08, 2016, 08:33:35 AM
I still feel that Morrison is one of the few creative quality footballers that we have in our side.
Personally when you see the like of Jake Livermore's name banded about how can anyone in their right mind think about letting Morrison leave?

I believe myself to be sane so here goes trying to make a case for letting him go (always assuming he wants to stay at the club in the first place)

Q1. Does the coach want to play with a 3 man central midfield?

No go to question 2, Yes go to question 4.

Q2 Does the coach want to play him in an alternative position e.g. Wide Right?

Yes go to question 3 No let him go

Q3. Is the player happy with that role?

Yes Go to question 4. No let him go

Q4. Is he likely to be the first choice player for the likely duration of the contract e.g. 3 years?

 No Go to question 5 Yes Offer him the best terms possible.

Q5. Is he the first choice player in his position next season?

No Let him go Yes Offer terms that reflect this but become conditional in the latter years of the contract e.g. options in the club's favour appearance clauses etc..

I think that is a rational framework without threatening anyone with the bogeyman that is Jake Livermore although he is a very different type of player to Morrison. 

 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on April 08, 2016, 10:50:56 AM
I still feel that Morrison is one of the few creative quality footballers that we have in our side.
Personally when you see the like of Jake Livermore's name banded about how can anyone in their right mind think about letting Morrison leave?

I agree yet people seem happy to let Pulis have loads of money to rebuild. We will need another complete rebuild once he's gone too.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on April 08, 2016, 11:27:02 AM
I believe myself to be sane so here goes trying to make a case for letting him go (always assuming he wants to stay at the club in the first place)

Q1. Does the coach want to play with a 3 man central midfield?

No go to question 2, Yes go to question 4.

Q2 Does the coach want to play him in an alternative position e.g. Wide Right?

Yes go to question 3 No let him go

Q3. Is the player happy with that role?

Yes Go to question 4. No let him go

Q4. Is he likely to be the first choice player for the likely duration of the contract e.g. 3 years?

 No Go to question 5 Yes Offer him the best terms possible.

Q5. Is he the first choice player in his position next season?

No Let him go Yes Offer terms that reflect this but become conditional in the latter years of the contract e.g. options in the club's favour appearance clauses etc..

I think that is a rational framework without threatening anyone with the bogeyman that is Jake Livermore although he is a very different type of player to Morrison.

All that just to say you don't agree  ::)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on April 08, 2016, 12:00:43 PM
All that just to say you don't agree  ::)

Personally I got to Q5 and went Yes!! But I'm not the coach and I don't view football the same way as him
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Baggie79 on April 08, 2016, 07:23:00 PM
I am virtually sure he will sign an extension, probably something like 2 years and an extra in the clubs favor. Personally I have always thought and nobody will ever change my mind but I think he is Pub and we should get rid if want to progress, I also include Sess, Vic and Jonas in the same bracket.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 08, 2016, 11:23:01 PM
My post is worryingly accurate... 40 points in April and what cup run?
The point being you pick a good and slate something else immediately
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: mb1 on April 11, 2016, 10:09:58 PM
I am virtually sure he will sign an extension, probably something like 2 years and an extra in the clubs favor. Personally I have always thought and nobody will ever change my mind but I think he is Pub and we should get rid if want to progress, I also include Sess, Vic and Jonas in the same bracket.

ITK or speculation? I think Jimmy is still good enough for the first team and with the rebuild we need in the summer, he is a player that I'd rather we didn't have to replace in addition.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dexy on April 11, 2016, 10:12:59 PM
Read on another forum he has turned down a two year deal and is looking to move back up north ,nothing to back that up though.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on April 12, 2016, 02:38:35 AM
Read on another forum he has turned down a two year deal and is looking to move back up north ,nothing to back that up though.

If you mean North East he must be looking for Championship football
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 12, 2016, 02:41:28 AM
Unless Middlesbrough get promotion and want him I can't see a club closer to home that he could go to. I wouldn't blame him if he did want to move nearer to home or if he just wanted a fresh challenge to be honest but it would be a shame to see him go especially on a free.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on April 12, 2016, 08:17:48 AM
Morrison has been free to talk to other clubs since January, I would have thought his agent would have spoken to all of his options including the teams involved in the championship promotion race 4 of which Burnley,Hull,Sheffield Wednesday and 'Boro are Northern Clubs. I also wouldn't rule out Sunderland even in the Championship if he is strongly motivated by a move home.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on April 12, 2016, 01:02:53 PM
Unless Middlesbrough get promotion and want him I can't see a club closer to home that he could go to. I wouldn't blame him if he did want to move nearer to home or if he just wanted a fresh challenge to be honest but it would be a shame to see him go especially on a free.

I agree but I think maybe he wants / needs a fresh challenge. We also need to evolve as a club and I'd like us to be replacing him with better quality. If he stays then he may only be seen as a squad member and not regular starter anymore. The same applies to Olsson who IMO needs moving on for both his and the clubs sake. Whether we can actually attract better quality remains to be seen.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 25, 2016, 03:26:41 PM
Where is he?  Will we ever see him don the stripes again?  He was supposedly going to be ready at the start of April but I have heard no update on his current fitness for weeks.  Read a few murmurings on twitter than he is no longer happy at the club, disillusioned with life under TP and disappointed the club didn’t act upon his contract status sooner.  Conjecture or something in it?  Are we attempting to sneak him out the back door... 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 25, 2016, 03:31:54 PM
We surely have to do all we can to keep him?  :o

A central midfield of Yacob, Fletcher, Sandro and Marc Wilson next season...oh happy days.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on April 25, 2016, 03:44:56 PM
Where is he?  Will we ever see him don the stripes again?  He was supposedly going to be ready at the start of April but I have heard no update on his current fitness for weeks.  Read a few murmurings on twitter than he is no longer happy at the club, disillusioned with life under TP and disappointed the club didn’t act upon his contract status sooner.  Conjecture or something in it?  Are we attempting to sneak him out the back door...
I really hope not. As has been mentioned on here for the past few months, he and Sessegnon are our two most creative players, and Morrison is probably more consistent out of the two, so losing him would be a big loss.

Personally I don't think he is disillusioned with Pulis. He's been here years, at harder times than this and Pulis seems to quite like him so it wouldn't make sense.

I do know, that a few years back he had a 'small' injury which put him out for something like 8 months in the end, when he was meant to be out for a month tops - it just didn't go away (I think it was a foot injury?). A similar thing happened to Foster - he was meant to be back in October this season but returned around February.

I really hope it's just an injury anyway  ???
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on April 25, 2016, 03:54:34 PM
I don't think it is anything particularly sinister about Morrison's none return to the starting line up I just think he isn't quite ready. However I don't think he will sign another contract with us. He will have options at the end of the season and I think he will move on.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smosher34 on April 25, 2016, 05:50:25 PM
bet he is waiting see if boro come up then of he goes my bet .
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: lewisant on April 25, 2016, 07:35:43 PM
Please come back Jimmy. We all miss you and you're one of our best technical (perhaps best?) players. WBA needs you!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggiejohn on April 26, 2016, 08:57:27 AM
It would be interesting to see JM's availabilty stats over the past 3 seasons, I suspect it's less than 60%. I would think his recent injury record may well go against him for a new contract.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 26, 2016, 09:23:17 AM
It was quite a bad hamstring injury he had, I don't see us risking him having a set back when we don't really have anything to play for. I certainly don't think there is anything sinister in not hearing much about him as of late.

As for his contract situation he holds all the cards, at this stage of his career I don't blame him one bit for seeing what other options he has. If he does choose to go elsewhere then I will be very disappointed but also wish him all the best.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 26, 2016, 09:36:40 AM
It would be interesting to see JM's availabilty stats over the past 3 seasons, I suspect it's less than 60%. I would think his recent injury record may well go against him for a new contract.
in the last 3 seasons hes played (so been available more often) in the league:
13/14-32 games
14/15-33 games
15/16-18 games
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggiejohn on April 26, 2016, 11:56:28 AM
in the last 3 seasons hes played (so been available more often) in the league:
13/14-32 games
14/15-33 games
15/16-18 games

I thought his "heel injury" was more recent (2009 apparently)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on April 26, 2016, 12:00:44 PM
I thought his "heel injury" was more recent (2009 apparently)

that was in the Mowbray Premier League season and carried on into the RDM championship season as well. he was out for ages with that.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MarkW on April 27, 2016, 05:08:53 PM
Not a lot of point rushing him back given we're safe already. May as well just focus on becoming 100% happy with himself, then if he's staying he can have a good pre season
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Albionic on April 27, 2016, 05:49:33 PM
Signing on fee, better wages, improved "quality" of football, a move could be very attractive at this point in his career.

Shame, good player and a good bloke around the club i would imagine.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: sing on our own on April 27, 2016, 06:23:50 PM
Jimmy Morrison will always be a hero to me for giving Berahino a straightner, whatever he's done on the pitch is a welcome bonus.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on April 29, 2016, 09:53:16 AM
According to the Express & Star

The 29-year-old midfielder was a first-team regular before he ruptured his hamstring in January but he’s out of contract at the end of this season.

Head coach Tony Pulis is planning a major overhaul of the club’s attacking line-up this summer, and the Baggies have been looking at 21-year-old Feyenoord midfielder Tonny Vilhena. But the Express & Star understands the club are talking to Morrison’s representatives in a bid to tie the long-serving Scot down to a new deal.

Those talks have been ongoing since the turn of the year, but reaching a decision both parties agree on has been made more difficult by Morrison’s long-term injury.

The former Middlesbrough man was initially expected to be out for just eight weeks, but a couple of infuriating setbacks have aggravated his injury and stopped him returning to the side.

He is now closer to full fitness than at any other point since January, and has an outside shot of making tomorrow’s squad against West Ham.


http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/04/29/james-morrison-in-contract-talks-as-west-brom-eye-feyenoords-tonny-vilhena/
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 29, 2016, 09:56:05 AM
Be great to see him play for us before the season is over, that little bit of flare he provides i have missed
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MarkW on April 29, 2016, 10:11:37 AM
Really would like him to stay - in his peak years and like Devon says, has that flair.

That said, I've watched Tonny Vilhena on BT Sport a few times and he is a very exciting talent. Hopefully we can have both!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on April 29, 2016, 11:19:48 AM
If he stays then he'll no doubt be a regular starter next season again. This will almost rule out a major signing in his position I reckon. I'm not saying I don't want him to stay but by the same token I want the squad to evolve. We need to be bringing in good quality starters with the likes of Mozza, Brunt, Olsson becoming our squad players.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: lewisant on April 29, 2016, 11:25:09 AM
I'm really worried we're going to let him go and that would really upset me as he's such a key player to us in the current feel of our squad. Yes Pulis may want to overhaul but I think we need to keep a decent backbone to the squad and Morrison should very much be part of that.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 29, 2016, 12:08:49 PM
I didn't really rate him at every match until he was injured.
I can now see what he brings to the team.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on April 29, 2016, 12:10:52 PM
He's a quality footballer. We don't have enough of those in the squad to let Jimmy go.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 29, 2016, 12:12:53 PM
You don't know what you have got, until it's gone.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: darbolina on April 29, 2016, 12:14:03 PM
We should sign one or two players who can carry the ball with power and pace from midfield. If we don't, Jimmy is a decent option for some games. I'm not sure he's an every week starter anymore though. Having said this, I'd give him a contract because he's probably the only player of his kind in the squad (maybe Sess or Gardner on a good day?) and he's versatile and committed to the Baggies.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jimmy on April 29, 2016, 05:51:10 PM
Sad day when he leaves. Truly sad day.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggies_24 on April 30, 2016, 06:51:51 AM
I'm still of the belief that if we want to kick on as a club its players like Morrison that we need to upgrade on. I want is to look at replacing him with a better player whilst signing Morrison up to a new contract and use him as a squad player, it would make us a much better team. Just think if we were 1-0 down chasing the game, I'd much rather see Morrison coming on than Gardner.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on April 30, 2016, 07:38:09 AM
Reading between the lines the writings on the wall for James to move on

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/04/30/james-morrisons-future-to-be-decided-at-end-of-season-meeting/?

I fear what will be bought in to replace him
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Dexy on April 30, 2016, 08:01:50 AM
Suspect he's had a good offer elsewhere and wants us to match it , most likely Boro.
Good player but we can't be held to ransom for someone who does pick up injuries and vanish from games at times , same for Sess imo. I'd like to keep both but not for huge amounts of money.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on April 30, 2016, 08:39:51 AM
I am sure Morrison has other offers on the table but they may well be dependent on the Promotion/Relegation issues being resolved, so I suspect he won't sign until the end of the season. Morrison will be 30 at the end of May and plays in a position which doesn't have a lot of players playing into their 30's at the top level and those that do are the exception rather than the rule.

I don't think we should keep him unless he will be first choice attacking midfielder in a 4-2-3-1, he is not a good squad player because he really only has one position in one formation.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Marcus on April 30, 2016, 08:42:52 AM
Whether we want him to stay or not, the fact that we have allowed the contracts of two saleable assets, in him and Sess, to run down is criminal.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: johnthebaggie on April 30, 2016, 09:19:14 AM
Players come and players go, as long as they are replaced by better ones it won't really matter. I remember fans, including myself, being up in arms about losing Dorrans, Mulumbu etc.

Morrison is a very good player and has been missed this season, but, we have had 9 years off him, he's becoming inconsistent and injuries may catch up on him so if he wants a nice free transfer and pay day it's his choice. Albion should not pay over the odds just to keep players who may just want a change.

As for Sessegnon, a very good but very inconsistent player. I think in these last few, mindlessly boring seasons we are a little rose tinted in Sess. He is the one player who has the ability to beat players and do something for us to shout about, but, it would be interesting to see how many assists he actually has, runs down a few too many dark alleys for me to be honest.

I would like to keep both, but it's not really a disaster if they go.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 30, 2016, 09:32:55 AM
Whether we want him to stay or not, the fact that we have allowed the contracts of two saleable assets, in him and Sess, to run down is criminal.

Unfortunately you can't tie them to a chair in a dark room until they agree to sign a new deal, players hold all of the cards.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: overseas baggie on April 30, 2016, 10:32:53 AM
Whether we want him to stay or not, the fact that we have allowed the contracts of two saleable assets, in him and Sess, to run down is criminal.

Not really.  If we had tied them down already then we'd potentially be stuck with them even if we wanted to offload them, just like we were/are with Anichebe, Gamboa, Pocognoli and now Lambert, waiting for somebody to take them off our hands.  At least this way a certain number of players are bound to find the exit door and fresh blood can be brought in with the wages off the payroll.

Only issue is that they are our two most creative players so they absolutely must be replaced properly.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on April 30, 2016, 10:43:25 AM
For us to have secured either Morrison or Sess we would have to offered improved terms last summer. In Morrison's case I honestly believe the player has been keeping his options open and it would have taken a huge offer to persuade him otherwise. There comes a point where he simply isn't worth the money particularly as the contract will run into back end of his career.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Marcus on April 30, 2016, 10:51:51 AM
Unfortunately you can't tie them to a chair in a dark room until they agree to sign a new deal, players hold all of the cards.

Indeed. And as Standaman has said it would of potentially taken improved contracts to get their signatures I guess, which we are possibly not willing to offer.

Hope we get to give Morrison a send off before the end of the season in case he does go.

Going to be an interesting Summer that's for sure
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 30, 2016, 01:17:42 PM
Whether we want him to stay or not, the fact that we have allowed the contracts of two saleable assets, in him and Sess, to run down is criminal.
I've forgotten who it was (but Bednar springs to mind) but didn't we fairly recently extend a contract which was clearly only to maintain a saleable asset only to pay an extra years wages for a player who didn't feature and then was released anyway?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jimmy on April 30, 2016, 01:25:41 PM
Stuck with Pulis and it looks like Morrison might leave.

Shaping up to be the crappest year going.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 30, 2016, 01:55:19 PM
Stuck with Pulis and it looks like Morrison might leave.

Shaping up to be the crappest year going.

You cannot force a player to sign a deal, coming up to what will probably be his last big contract its understandable he will be keeping options open, also probably hoping Boro come back up, he still has a house up there, goes back regularly to see friends etc etc
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: KingKoren on April 30, 2016, 02:10:37 PM
Couldn't imagine anyone other than the promoted teams wanting him.

We desperately lack creativity, and with him being our longest serving player, I hope he stays.

Not the end of the world if he departs however.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jimmy on April 30, 2016, 02:49:19 PM
Morrison is Albion,  he's one of the few who cares.

Get rid of him,  or allow him to go and TP has single handedly put a nail in the Albion for me when you look at this season as a whole.

Who could replace him,  who can TP buy that is as good as him?  What player will come in and love the Albion as much as him?

EDIT: Better player than Fletcher and Gardner and McClean. If we keep Gardner but let him go, i f***ing despair.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on April 30, 2016, 03:56:58 PM
Morrison is Albion,  he's one of the few who cares.

Get rid of him,  or allow him to go and TP has single handedly put a nail in the Albion for me when you look at this season as a whole.

Who could replace him,  who can TP buy that is as good as him?  What player will come in and love the Albion as much as him?

EDIT: Better player than Fletcher and Gardner and McClean. If we keep Gardner but let him go, i f***ing despair.

There are hundreds of better players out there. It's up to the club to find them and then convince them to come. We need to evolve by bringing in better. Sadly Pulis will probably replace him with another Gardner.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: PsalmXXIII on April 30, 2016, 03:59:01 PM
Begging for him today. We have nothing in the centre of the park.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jimmy on April 30, 2016, 03:59:58 PM
There are hundreds of better players out there. It's up to the club to find them and then convince them to come. We need to evolve by bringing in better. Sadly Pulis will probably replace him with another Gardner.

Entirely the point i made.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggiecarl on April 30, 2016, 06:30:30 PM
There are hundreds of better players out there. It's up to the club to find them and then convince them to come. We need to evolve by bringing in better. Sadly Pulis will probably replace him with another Gardner.
That's the danger with pulis he more than likely to replace Morrison with a Gardner type and and replace sess with another McClean
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: SirTonyM on April 30, 2016, 07:22:03 PM
There are hundreds of better players out there. It's up to the club to find them and then convince them to come. We need to evolve by bringing in better. Sadly Pulis will probably replace him with another Gardner.

Pulis inherited Gardner and played Morrison when fit. Strange logic.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggiecarl on April 30, 2016, 07:51:35 PM
Pulis inherited Gardner and played Morrison when fit. Strange logic.
strange logic....you mean like playing centre-back's as fullback's and playing your best defender as a leftback
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 01, 2016, 01:13:57 PM
Pulislogic, even worse than Pulisball.....
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: SirTonyM on May 01, 2016, 11:53:30 PM
strange logic....you mean like playing centre-back's as fullback's and playing your best defender as a leftback

We weren't talking about that at all we were talking about Gardner. I agree on Evans by the way who Pulis happened to buy :)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Throstletown on May 02, 2016, 06:17:22 PM
Morrison should go he past his best and we needs someone to command the centre going forward, Morrison would not have handled Noble on Saturday he would have gone into his invisble mode.
Bypass Yacob and the midfield has not got a decent tackle in them, Sess is about the next best Mozza certainly is not a battler when its crutch time and remember him in the Championship is a long time gone. 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggiecarl on May 02, 2016, 10:19:20 PM
We weren't talking about that at all we were talking about Gardner. I agree on Evans by the way who Pulis happened to buy :)
I know what you were referring to ,however I was illustrating the point, that if you think people on here are displaying 'Strange logic'; conversely pulis is as well with is penchant for playing player's out of position
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mikkyk on May 03, 2016, 02:03:54 PM
People have said he goes missing but there's also been a number of games where we've been pinned in our own half/box and Morrison has carried the team forward. He's the only player in the team that 'drives' forward with the ball. Something that certainly none of our other central midfield players do.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jordie1471 on May 03, 2016, 03:18:06 PM
People have said he goes missing but there's also been a number of games where we've been pinned in our own half/box and Morrison has carried the team forward. He's the only player in the team that 'drives' forward with the ball. Something that certainly none of our other central midfield players do.

True but I think we can comfortably pick up another player who does this and is younger than Morrison in the summer for 5 million or so
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 03, 2016, 03:40:07 PM
Creates room for another centre back in the squad.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on May 03, 2016, 06:06:33 PM
True but I think we can comfortably pick up another player who does this and is younger than Morrison in the summer for 5 million or so
I would be very dissapointed if he goes, because it's not as easy as simply going out and spending £5 million with an instant replacement, I wish it was.

As has been said, him and Sess are our ONLY two dribblers which are desperately needed in a Pulis team (maybe Leko too?)

Lose him and it makes us even less creative. That is, if he's not replaced properly.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: spencer Baggie on May 03, 2016, 11:17:37 PM
Won't play for WBA again. Injury prone now. Gave a lot for the club though.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: hollisk on May 03, 2016, 11:23:21 PM
For the last 5 seasons he has played over 30 games each. He has one Injury in January and that makes him injury prone????  :o

Are you in the training ground every day watching him? Your statement is based on what?

Please don't go around making claims you cant prove and that have no evidence.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 03, 2016, 11:43:47 PM
Some odd posts the last few days on here. Morrison is head and shoulders our best midfield player since Brunt has been moved to left back.

The only reason he hasn't re-signed yet is because he can get a better deal elsewhere in the Premier League.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 04, 2016, 07:49:40 AM
Morrison is one of the first names on the team sheet when fit. Has ups and downs in form like any player but has been our most consistent performer for years.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kris_boing on May 04, 2016, 08:23:23 AM
Be a sad day if he does leave.  I know there should be no sentiment in football but I really hope, form permitting, that both Morrison and Brunt finish their careers with us.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 04, 2016, 08:30:05 AM
Be a sad day if he does leave.  I know there should be no sentiment in football but I really hope, form permitting, that both Morrison and Brunt finish their careers with us.

Hear, hear
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: mulliganstired on May 04, 2016, 10:31:11 AM
Some odd posts the last few days on here. Morrison is head and shoulders our best midfield player since Brunt has been moved to left back.

The only reason he hasn't re-signed yet is because he can get a better deal elsewhere in the Premier League.
Not so much "best", but just different - with Brunt at Left Back, he's the only one who can make the time to look for a dangerous pass from a forward midfield position... and then actually do it.  (Dorrans could too, but the problem was he couldn't do much else!)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on May 04, 2016, 11:27:46 AM
If Morrison is as good as people make out then he won't be short of offers. Time will tell.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 04, 2016, 11:53:50 AM
Short interview with Morrison from Brummie Mail, suggests he will sign a new contract.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-albion-midfielder-could-11280230
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 04, 2016, 01:27:26 PM
Short interview with Morrison from Brummie Mail, suggests he will sign a new contract.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-albion-midfielder-could-11280230

I'm not convinced he will, all depends on the Middlesbrough situation IMHO.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 04, 2016, 11:45:43 PM
This contract scenario is like a soap opera. I hope he stays he's one of our only genuinely quality midfielders.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Throstletown on May 05, 2016, 07:19:14 AM
Morrison and Brunt should go, no pace no skill, not prem quality and people who say they are basically living in the pas at least 5 years.
Brunt and Morrison could not beat an egg, Leko in one game has done more than both over the season, 3 crosses and a dribble and we dont know if he is any good yet, one swallow does not make a summer . Ollie given a contract ridiculous we are going down next season with these guys old, slow, no fight and without our 8 1 1 formation and some unusual results we would have gone this one.
Can anyone say we played well this season ?
 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 05, 2016, 08:37:53 AM
Morrison and Brunt should go, no pace no skill, not prem quality and people who say they are basically living in the pas at least 5 years.
Brunt and Morrison could not beat an egg, Leko in one game has done more than both over the season, 3 crosses and a dribble and we dont know if he is any good yet, one swallow does not make a summer . Ollie given a contract ridiculous we are going down next season with these guys old, slow, no fight and without our 8 1 1 formation and some unusual results we would have gone this one.
Can anyone say we played well this season ?

Funny how we lose Morrison and Brunt and the results go off a cliff.  ::)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 05, 2016, 09:20:14 AM
Morrison and Brunt should go, no pace no skill, not prem quality and people who say they are basically living in the pas at least 5 years.
Brunt and Morrison could not beat an egg, Leko in one game has done more than both over the season, 3 crosses and a dribble and we dont know if he is any good yet, one swallow does not make a summer . Ollie given a contract ridiculous we are going down next season with these guys old, slow, no fight and without our 8 1 1 formation and some unusual results we would have gone this one.
Can anyone say we played well this season ?

Possibly the most ridiculous post I've read in ages.
 Morrison has scored 4 goals this season and 3 assists and has been out since Jan 13th. Brunt also has 3 assists no other players have more than those two.
I'm not denying that Leko looks promising but to say he's done more in 1 match than Morrison and Brunt have in the season so far is stupid.
Morrison has been out for 15 games and Brunt for 8 who's to say they wouldn't have both added to their goal and assists totals if they'd not been injured.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: DaveWBA on May 05, 2016, 09:21:46 AM
Morrison and Brunt should go, no pace no skill, not prem quality and people who say they are basically living in the pas at least 5 years.
Brunt and Morrison could not beat an egg, Leko in one game has done more than both over the season, 3 crosses and a dribble and we dont know if he is any good yet, one swallow does not make a summer . Ollie given a contract ridiculous we are going down next season with these guys old, slow, no fight and without our 8 1 1 formation and some unusual results we would have gone this one.
Can anyone say we played well this season ?

Hello Mr Irvine, how have you been the last 12 months?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Throstletown on May 05, 2016, 09:30:57 AM
Not as bad as youve watched this season.
Brummie with more seats showing everygame, booing and mass exodos of fans after 75 minutes youve had a ball have you Ive not.
Brunt 3 assists possibly corners free kicks if you lump it in the air and some one gets to it thats an assist hoofball weve played all season.
Morrison again deluded fans with premiership eyes only, you dont know if he,s on the pitch most matches as for stupid post how about watching that 34 times this season like I have, not come to this conclusion through listening on the radio.
By the way where do you buy those Premiership googles must work wonders or do the just show highlights, so 1 set of batteries last the season.
I hated Stoke and and thats what weve become but worse cant wait till we buy the Stoke OAPS for next season there coming Whelan and co.   
You will be telling me next Saido worth 25 million, thats delusional, cant trap a ball, hold a ball, cant head a ball, no real pace and tests Pukka pies in his spare time.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 05, 2016, 01:55:23 PM
Not as bad as youve watched this season.
Brummie with more seats showing everygame, booing and mass exodos of fans after 75 minutes youve had a ball have you Ive not.
Brunt 3 assists possibly corners free kicks if you lump it in the air and some one gets to it thats an assist hoofball weve played all season.
Morrison again deluded fans with premiership eyes only, you dont know if he,s on the pitch most matches as for stupid post how about watching that 34 times this season like I have, not come to this conclusion through listening on the radio.
By the way where do you buy those Premiership googles must work wonders or do the just show highlights, so 1 set of batteries last the season.
I hated Stoke and and thats what weve become but worse cant wait till we buy the Stoke OAPS for next season there coming Whelan and co.   
You will be telling me next Saido worth 25 million, thats delusional, cant trap a ball, hold a ball, cant head a ball, no real pace and tests Pukka pies in his spare time.

I don't listen to our games on the radio, I go home and away. You're response was stupid because you claimed that a player that has started 1 game and a couple of sub appearances and made a few dribbles and put a couple of decent crosses into the box had done more than players who have actually scored and assisted in the scoring of goals.

Not sure what the bit I've put in bold even means! It's not in English that makes any sense. Please explain.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Throstletown on May 05, 2016, 11:55:02 PM
I'll explain Premiership goggles you obvious count success staying there over football.
If that satisfies you then good, Pulis and the team have done there job.
To me playing football is entertainment, edge of your seat refusing to sit down because what you are watching is engrossing, exciting and fills you with pride.
What Ive watched is slow, boring, players who obviously are not capable of passing a ball on a park with your kids, no drive, no skill, players who could not beat an egg and if by some chance they do send it either over the bar or for a throw in, that has disappointed me and time and time again, listen to WM and Bomber can not sum up in words how sh1te weve been.
Pride in your team, your club for me, if 40 points is sucess, fills you with pride then those goggles are working. Each to there own mate         
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 06, 2016, 07:19:29 AM
I'll explain Premiership goggles you obvious count success staying there over football.
If that satisfies you then good, Pulis and the team have done there job.
To me playing football is entertainment, edge of your seat refusing to sit down because what you are watching is engrossing, exciting and fills you with pride.
What Ive watched is slow, boring, players who obviously are not capable of passing a ball on a park with your kids, no drive, no skill, players who could not beat an egg and if by some chance they do send it either over the bar or for a throw in, that has disappointed me and time and time again, listen to WM and Bomber can not sum up in words how sh1te weve been.
Pride in your team, your club for me, if 40 points is sucess, fills you with pride then those goggles are working. Each to there own mate         

I don't know where you get the idea that I'm happy with the way the team has been playing and that I'm happy to just be in the Premier League? I've not mentioned it once. That is your assumption. It's also very wrong. I was talking about Brunt and Morrison having more of an effect that Leko.

Like you I want to be entertained, I want the edge of the seat excitement, I want to leave either The Hawthorns or an away stadium feeling that my team gave it all and wanted to win, I think we all do.

We have been very poor a few times this season, usually at home against lower table sides that we struggle to break down, Watford away and Stoke away were also low points but at least we didn't lose.

To me we have played well in the following games: Chelsea (H) Everton (H), Man Utd (H) Stoke(H), Spurs(H), Palace(H), Arsenal (H), Newcastle(H). Villa (A) Liverpool (A), Everton(A), Leicester(A) Chelsea (A), Man City (A). We only won 7 of those games but in those games we had a go. You could add the 2nd half against West Ham and Spurs away to that list. That's 14 games and 2 halfs where IMHO we've had a go and played some decent attacking stuff. That's every 2.4 games.
I would say we've been poor or very poor in about 9 games, mostly we've been slow,dull and unimaginative. We've been like it for a good few seasons now though not just under Pulis.

I hate this 40 points equals success mentality too, I want us to get as many points as possible and finish as high up the table as we can. I certainly don't want us to be in the Premier league just making up the numbers as you are suggesting, if I did I doubt I'd make the 200 mile+ round trip to the Hawthorns for 19 games a season and the countless miles for away games.
 

 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 06, 2016, 08:18:30 AM
I don't know where you get the idea that I'm happy with the way the team has been playing and that I'm happy to just be in the Premier League? I've not mentioned it once. That is your assumption. It's also very wrong. I was talking about Brunt and Morrison having more of an effect that Leko.

Like you I want to be entertained, I want the edge of the seat excitement, I want to leave either The Hawthorns or an away stadium feeling that my team gave it all and wanted to win, I think we all do.

We have been very poor a few times this season, usually at home against lower table sides that we struggle to break down, Watford away and Stoke away were also low points but at least we didn't lose.

To me we have played well in the following games: Chelsea (H) Everton (H), Man Utd (H) Stoke(H), Spurs(H), Palace(H), Arsenal (H), Newcastle(H). Villa (A) Liverpool (A), Everton(A), Leicester(A) Chelsea (A), Man City (A). We only won 7 of those games but in those games we had a go. You could add the 2nd half against West Ham and Spurs away to that list. That's 14 games and 2 halfs where IMHO we've had a go and played some decent attacking stuff. That's every 2.4 games.
I would say we've been poor or very poor in about 9 games, mostly we've been slow,dull and unimaginative. We've been like it for a good few seasons now though not just under Pulis.

I hate this 40 points equals success mentality too, I want us to get as many points as possible and finish as high up the table as we can. I certainly don't want us to be in the Premier league just making up the numbers as you are suggesting, if I did I doubt I'd make the 200 mile+ round trip to the Hawthorns for 19 games a season and the countless miles for away games.

Exactly right Hull, I want improvement, I want a cup win, but I'm realistic that from the position we had reached following a number of organisational errors, we need to rebuild and be patient. If I do not see improvement next season, I think it will be time to consider change.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: overseas baggie on May 07, 2016, 02:45:07 PM
Middlesbrough up - Morrison off?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: gerry m on May 07, 2016, 02:47:44 PM
Middlesbrough up - Morrison off?

I thought that!. Not in the squad and Boro likely to pay him more than we will.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: spencer Baggie on May 07, 2016, 05:44:15 PM
For the last 5 seasons he has played over 30 games each. He has one Injury in January and that makes him injury prone????  :o

Are you in the training ground every day watching him? Your statement is based on what?

Please don't go around making claims you cant prove and that have no evidence.

 ::) simmer down. No idea who you are, but I don't make broad sweeping statements without a bit of insider knowledge.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 08, 2016, 08:02:07 AM
Surely the promotion of boro and the none selection of jimmy yesterday means he is off??

Have mixed feelings if true. Whilst not a great player, he has consistently been one of few players who can dribble with ball and run at pace. A bit powder puff sometimes but an attacking option in a squad with virtually no attacking option.

One of a few players we have who can make things happen.

I am more concerned what it says about our ambition and the fact we need to sign another attacking player.
We have to sign a lot of players this window and our track record has not been good recently.

Good luck Jimmy - a loyal servant who did their best.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: frazzle on May 08, 2016, 08:09:31 AM
Surely the promotion of boro and the none selection of jimmy yesterday means he is off??

Have mixed feelings if true. Whilst not a great player, he has consistently been one of few players who can dribble with ball and run at pace. A bit powder puff sometimes but an attacking option in a squad with virtually no attacking option.

One of a few players we have who can make things happen.

I am more concerned what it says about our ambition and the fact we need to sign another attacking player.
We have to sign a lot of players this window and our track record has not been good recently.

Good luck Jimmy - a loyal servant who did their best.

We need to lose a lot of players this summer who don't really contribute anything and on that basis I think we have room to retain Morrison and Sess for that matter - especially given that they are pretty much the only, vaguely creative players we have in midfield.

However with Pulis at the helm expect another McClean on the right wing and another Gardner for the bench. Sess and Morrison released and younger players loaned out.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MarkW on May 08, 2016, 03:14:31 PM
I think making judgements about the club based speculation is a very silly thing to do. We don't know what the situation is with Jimmy.

He ruptured his hamstring - that's a very serious injury to come back from. So he might not be 100% yet. We haven't heard anything about a new contract which I agree isn't good, but until it's announced one way or the other I'm not going to criticise.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 08, 2016, 03:26:42 PM
We need to lose a lot of players this summer who don't really contribute anything and on that basis I think we have room to retain Morrison and Sess for that matter - especially given that they are pretty much the only, vaguely creative players we have in midfield.

However with Pulis at the helm expect another McClean on the right wing and another Gardner for the bench. Sess and Morrison released and younger players loaned out.
And yet he tried to sign Antonio and Phillips, can't blame him  that we wouldn't pay the money
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 08, 2016, 06:58:33 PM
And yet he tried to sign Antonio and Phillips, can't blame him  that we wouldn't pay the money
We need to off load quite a few.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: caravanc58 on May 08, 2016, 07:08:02 PM
And yet he tried to sign Antonio and Phillips, can't blame him  that we wouldn't pay the money
it would help if we didn't waste £3m of the money on a 34 yr old striker.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MarkW on May 08, 2016, 07:42:04 PM
it would help if we didn't waste £3m of the money on a 34 yr old striker.

I and many others thought Lambert was going to be a decent buy when he came to us. He has disappointed but when he came in I was reasonably pleased.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: caravanc58 on May 08, 2016, 10:22:12 PM
I and many others thought Lambert was going to be a decent buy when he came to us. He has disappointed but when he came in I was reasonably pleased.
if it had been a signing without a fee then it was worth the risk, but with the age of the squad I cannot see the point in splashing £3m on an aging striker who missed nearly all of the previous season, its an expensive risk when you know we already have a striker like anichibe at the club who barely gets a game because he's out injured . that's £9m worth of strikers on undoubtedly good wages who've contributed zilch this season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 21, 2016, 10:59:42 PM
Been offered a 4 year deal £70,000 per week deal with a £2million signing on fee by Boro, he is gone!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tommcneill on May 21, 2016, 11:01:51 PM
Been offered a 4 year deal £70,000 per week deal with a £2million signing on fee by Boro, he is gone!

And id be happy to let him go for him to earn that kind of money.

Swansong at Boro.

I love Jimmy but thats a great deal if true. What would we get for him 6/7 million??
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 21, 2016, 11:08:06 PM
He's not a 70k a week player. Will be gutted if he leaves as I'm a big fan of his but head has to rule over heart and 70k can be better spent elsewhere.

We will need to replace him mind.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on May 21, 2016, 11:41:17 PM
Where's this been reported? Crazy money for a player of his quality and age! Great servent and all that but we can use his wages elsewhere
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: rajesh-wba on May 22, 2016, 12:15:46 AM
Where's this been reported? Crazy money for a player of his quality and age! Great servent and all that but we can use his wages elsewhere

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/672549/Middlesbrough-Premier-League-James-Morrison-West-Brom-Transfer-News-Summer-News

Would be interesting to know how much he is on currently. At a guess I would suggest around £35k?

Considering he is turning 30 next year, I personally wouldn't offer him a four year deal.
At a push a 2+1 with an offer of around £45k.
If that doesn't appeal to him then I'd back the club to opt out pushing to try and match Boro.
Don't forget as Boro won't be paying a transfer fee they can put this towards his wages.
However £16.5m over 4 years is mega money. If figures are true, and moving back home appeals to him, who would turn that down? 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on May 22, 2016, 01:17:17 AM
If the 'Boro deal is as reported there is no way on this Earth we are going to match it and nor should we. We can just about swallow £70k a week we could cope with a £2m signing on fee but a four year contract at that level is the height of folly.

If this signals where salaries are headed this summer we are in for a tough time of things and Hammond is going to have to perform miracles to get players in from the British market. Although that said the 'Boro offer is overkill I suspect the player would have signed for a lot less. He cannot be on more than £40k a week with us and I doubt we would have offered him more than about £60k a week on a two plus one basis, if 'Boro had matched that but on a four year deal I'm sure Morrison would take it.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on May 22, 2016, 08:04:55 AM
Yep, if the deal is anywhere near what's reported then it would be a no brainer for James to accept it.
It's also a no brainer for us to not attempt to match it.

I guess his 7 years prem experience would appeal to 'Boro as well as the fact he's a good (but not great) player. Any wonder there didn't seem to be much action on him re-signing with us.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 22, 2016, 11:41:25 AM
Been offered a 4 year deal £70,000 per week deal with a £2million signing on fee by Boro, he is gone!
Reports untrue according to Middlesbrough press
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on May 22, 2016, 01:50:51 PM
Reminds me a bit of Billy Jones; was offered an ok deal renewal here but chose Sunderland who gave him a big deal in terms of wages and years which we wouldn't match.

If those are the figures then he can go, and to be fair would be a fool not too.a
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: mulliganstired on May 22, 2016, 07:56:27 PM
If this is true, then good luck Jimmy.  Helped end the yo-yo stuff, touch of class on his day, bagged a few crackers... and stuck one on the big yed too.  He's not getting any younger though, it would be a big call for Boro.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jimmy on May 22, 2016, 07:59:49 PM
Would be a damn shame to lose him.

Who do we have to replace him? Who's coming in? Who in the team is actually better than him. No one in my opinion.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 22, 2016, 08:19:21 PM
He's our best midfield player from an attacking viewpoint. He is also in my opinion worth every penny of £70k a week, in the inflated market of the Premier League. What he isn't worth is anything more than a 2+1 year contract.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: baggie96 on May 22, 2016, 08:24:36 PM
Don't think the 70k a week would be the problem as he will already be on around 50k. It's the 4 year deal and the £2 million signing on fee. I think he will go back to boro anyway, even if we offered the same wage
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: mulliganstired on May 22, 2016, 08:28:24 PM
Maybe they're after making him Captain?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: boing_boing68 on May 22, 2016, 09:00:44 PM
sounds about right if we do get rid of him, after all he is a player who likes to attack so Pulis won't like that
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Doobuy on May 22, 2016, 09:02:03 PM
you have to take into account the cost of bringing him in - zero, the risk that he wont fit into the prem league - zero into the cost. its only a wages and signing fee deal - and the fact that he has let his contract run down means that he is likely to get more money as we dont have to pay a transfer fee.

we'd be happy enough paying a 5m fee+ for player of his quality - and that's what it is going to have to be if we dont re-sign him
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jimmy on May 22, 2016, 09:43:25 PM
you have to take into account the cost of bringing him in - zero, the risk that he wont fit into the prem league - zero into the cost. its only a wages and signing fee deal - and the fact that he has let his contract run down means that he is likely to get more money as we dont have to pay a transfer fee.

we'd be happy enough paying a 5m fee+ for player of his quality - and that's what it is going to have to be if we dont re-sign him

couldnt find a player of his quality for less than 15million.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Throstletown on May 23, 2016, 07:07:59 AM
In the open market a team would not pay over 3-5 million for a 30 year old player of Morrisons ability if he had a contract.
15 million to replace him seems well over what he is worth maybe a 21-24 year who was class act in the making but not a player wanting one last pay day who is not consistent, does not dominate games but occasionally turns up for 10-15 minutes of a game.
He to my way of thinking should be given a lower value contract than he is currently on, theres only one way his performances are going to go and that should be reflecis deal.
Time to allow to leave and replace with youth and energy and better quality.
Dele Ali what did he cost how much better is he than Mozza, the players are there you just have to be looking for emerging talent hopefully Hammond brings that to our scouting team and business plan. 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 23, 2016, 10:59:26 AM
I would be sad to see him go, but that is largely because I know we will fail to replace him more than anything else. He is our best option as an attacking midfielder, because we have not signed anyone to compete with/replace him since our promotion as we have a tendency to go for defensive midfielders when making any signings in that area.

Disagree that he is worth £70k per week though, even in the inflated Premier League market. He is a bottom end Premier League player, at most he should be earning around £45k per week. I fear that people's opinion of him will have risen beyond his actual abilities due to the fact that we have had to witness Gardner and Fletcher behind the striker in the past few months.

Our squad is so poor when you think about it  :'(
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 23, 2016, 11:10:06 AM
no way are boro going to pay him that much
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jordie1471 on May 23, 2016, 11:12:13 AM
I would be sad to see him go, but that is largely because I know we will fail to replace him more than anything else. He is our best option as an attacking midfielder, because we have not signed anyone to compete with/replace him since our promotion as we have a tendency to go for defensive midfielders when making any signings in that area.

Disagree that he is worth £70k per week though, even in the inflated Premier League market. He is a bottom end Premier League player, at most he should be earning around £45k per week. I fear that people's opinion of him will have risen beyond his actual abilities due to the fact that we have had to witness Gardner and Fletcher behind the striker in the past few months.

Our squad is so poor when you think about it  :'(

I think this hits the nail on the head really. Lets not forget we signed Morrison back when we were in the championship. And being as he is 30 (in 2 days) his best days are clearly behind him.

Its ok playing well into your 30's as a holding midfielder or defender but attacking midfielder is a role we really need youth, stamina and pace.

For me its time to say thank you for the memories James and lets go out and find a young exciting 10 million pound number 10 to replace him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 23, 2016, 11:33:04 AM
I think this hits the nail on the head really. Lets not forget we signed Morrison back when we were in the championship. And being as he is 30 (in 2 days) his best days are clearly behind him.

Its ok playing well into your 30's as a holding midfielder or defender but attacking midfielder is a role we really need youth, stamina and pace.

For me its time to say thank you for the memories James and lets go out and find a young exciting 10 million pound number 10 to replace him.

The problem is for £10 million you won't be getting a better player than Morrison in all likelihood.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jordie1471 on May 23, 2016, 11:46:13 AM
The problem is for £10 million you won't be getting a better player than Morrison in all likelihood.

I believe we CAN. However with our recent recruitment track record will we? Probably not
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on May 23, 2016, 11:59:11 AM
The problem is for £10 million you won't be getting a better player than Morrison in all likelihood.

Leicester did with Marhez.  :P

Seriously it's up to our scouts to go out and find the gems that we have in the past. With Pulis in charge I can't see that happening. He'll throw loads of money if given the opportunity at British based players all of whom will command over inflated fees.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mister AT on May 23, 2016, 12:57:33 PM
Leicester did with Marhez.  :P

Seriously it's up to our scouts to go out and find the gems that we have in the past. With Pulis in charge I can't see that happening. He'll throw loads of money if given the opportunity at British based players all of whom will command over inflated fees.

Matt Phillips springs to mind.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: caravanc58 on May 24, 2016, 06:12:51 PM
sunderland after Morrison now as well as boro
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/832028797?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 24, 2016, 09:00:31 PM
sunderland after Morrison now as well as boro
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/832028797?-11200:789:0

For lots of reasons I'd be much happier if he went to Middlesbrough.
Hate to see him go but I guess it's time.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 25, 2016, 01:06:13 PM
The "story" on Sunderland interest in Morrison is from James Nursery at The Mirror...need I say more?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MarkW on May 25, 2016, 01:29:20 PM
Thread for James Morrison transfer discussion
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Morany on May 25, 2016, 02:34:00 PM
If what I've read about him wanting 70/75k a week he can go
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 25, 2016, 02:43:59 PM
If what I've read about him wanting 70/75k a week he can go

Thought it was some bullsh*t story that Boro were willing to pay him £70K a week, rather than Morrison wanting £70K a week?

This is from today's Middlesboro Gazette:

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/premier-league-transfer-rumour-round-11383039

I hope he stays with us as he will be difficult to replace.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Morany on May 25, 2016, 02:59:25 PM
Thought it was some bullsh*t story that Boro were willing to pay him £70K a week, rather than Morrison wanting £70K a week?

This is from today's Middlesboro Gazette:

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/premier-league-transfer-rumour-round-11383039

I hope he stays with us as he will be difficult to replace.

Fair enough, I'd keep him myself if the wage demands aren't stupid.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mister AT on May 25, 2016, 03:05:27 PM
What would you class as a decent deal for him?

Would a 3 year 40k a week deal please everyone?

Just trying to get peoples opinions on him as it seems as though with offers elsewhere he is going to be able to demand a little more.

Geniuinely think hes torn between staying were he is settled, and moving 'home'.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on May 25, 2016, 03:13:19 PM
Thought it was some bullsh*t story that Boro were willing to pay him £70K a week, rather than Morrison wanting £70K a week?

This is from today's Middlesboro Gazette:

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/premier-league-transfer-rumour-round-11383039

I hope he stays with us as he will be difficult to replace.

I kind of agree but he really shouldn't be that difficult for an established side like us to replace. I just don't see us as an attractive proposition for such players.

Has anyone considered that the style of our play may influence his decision? A creative footballer like Mozza will no doubt prefer to play in a footballing side.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on May 25, 2016, 05:39:44 PM
Can't believe I'm saying this because I've loved him for years, but I think nows the time to move forward. We've had some high earners at the club who haven't really contributed enough the past few season. hopefully with Anichebe, Sessegnon & Morrison gone that frees up well over 100,000 a week in wages. If we could somehow offload Gamboa, Pocognoli and Lambert then there's 200,000 in wages we'd have free from last season. It gives us a good platform to build on when negotiating potential in comings contracts. With Berahino hopefully off we should have a decent budget for signing players so there's no excuses for Pulis not to get players in.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on May 25, 2016, 05:44:19 PM
Can't believe I'm saying this because I've loved him for years, but I think nows the time to move forward. We've had some high earners at the club who haven't really contributed enough the past few season. hopefully with Anichebe, Sessegnon & Morrison gone that frees up well over 100,000 a week in wages. If we could somehow offload Gamboa, Pocognoli and Lambert then there's 200,000 in wages we'd have free from last season. It gives us a good platform to build on when negotiating potential in comings contracts. With Berahino hopefully off we should have a decent budget for signing players so there's no excuses for Pulis not to get players in.

I couldn't agree more. The squad needs to evolve as it has got stale. Mozza has been a great servant but we need to move on. No room for sentiment. Olsson should have been moved on too. Can we attract quality players now though? I think we are prepared to pay the going rate wage wise but we are still an unfashionable club that plays terrible football. Will quality players want to come and play for Pulis?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 25, 2016, 06:08:36 PM
With Mozza it's not really sentiment though. He's our best midfielder.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Lloydy on May 25, 2016, 06:18:07 PM
With Mozza it's not really sentiment though. He's our best midfielder.

And there lies the problem, senior players who have never been replaced see squad fillers come and go every summer.

If I had any faith in the manager and the club bringing in a suitable replacement I would happy to say thank you James but goodbye, but the thought of replacing him with another midfield plodder is thoroughly depressing.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Throstletown on May 25, 2016, 07:18:55 PM
30 years of age coming to end of career I would be looking a max of 20k a week and only 1 year and an option of another just in case he goes further down hill like Wickee
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 25, 2016, 07:46:12 PM
30 years of age coming to end of career I would be looking a max of 20k a week and only 1 year and an option of another just in case he goes further down hill like Wickee

Cristiano Ronaldo is 31.

You need to be realistic. He's not going to deteriorate for 2 or 3 years at least.

As I have said previously all the new money will go to the players and agents. £70-80k a week will be the new £40k a week.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on May 25, 2016, 09:26:15 PM
Cristiano Ronaldo is 31.

You need to be realistic. He's not going to deteriorate for 2 or 3 years at least.

As I have said previously all the new money will go to the players and agents. £70-80k a week will be the new £40k a week.

If we were talking about a Centre Back I think your argument would hold water but a cursory review of attacking midfielders (no Morrison can't drop deeper) in the Premier League reveals none of any note are much older than 30. He might not drop off a cliff tomorrow but he won't be a Premier League player at 33/34.

As for £70k being the new £40k if clubs income goes up by 40% and wages rise proportionately the new £40k will be £56k however you want to cut it anything over £60k week is top dollar for Morrison or anyone in our squad. No doubt our top salary will go out to £75k to £80k but that shouldn't be Morrison.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: darbolina on May 26, 2016, 09:14:38 AM
Mozza has been a great buy at £1.5m and a great servant for the club. However, it would seem a good time to say thanks and goodbye. Frequency of injuries has increased (he's always been liable to have a couple of months out each season for something anyway) and I don't think he's added enough over the past couple of years to warrant a long contract on bigger money.

Having said that, If he'd accept a two year deal on roughly the same terms, I'd keep him as he can play wide, central and is one of the only attacking midfielders we have who can break and score now and again - sad but true!!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: cornishbaggie on May 26, 2016, 01:18:00 PM
does anyone here have the confidence that Pulis will bring in a better, more creative, younger midfielder?

i don't. letting go of Morrison would be bad news.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MarkW on May 26, 2016, 01:37:26 PM
does anyone here have the confidence that Pulis will bring in a better, more creative, younger midfielder?

i don't. letting go of Morrison would be bad news.

But what if he doesn't want to stay?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 26, 2016, 08:35:56 PM
Morrison has only ever had bad spells when being played out of position. Pulis has actually played him where he should be played and as a result has been one of our best players for the last 2 season. I hope we keep him, but could definitely do better providing our scouts are doing their jobs properly.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on May 26, 2016, 09:24:50 PM
I actually think Morrison can play deeper in a box to box role and has done a decent job when he's played there. He doesn't look out of position whether playing box to box CM, AM or in a wider role.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: darbolina on May 27, 2016, 08:38:28 AM
Would Jimmy be good enough to be a first choice centre midfielder in a Swansea, Southampton, Stoke, Palace or other mid-table Premiership team? I don't think so. He would be a valued squad/ impact player though. That's how we should view him now if we sign the right players this summer.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on May 27, 2016, 09:00:51 AM
Would Jimmy be good enough to be a first choice centre midfielder in a Swansea, Southampton, Stoke, Palace or other mid-table Premiership team? I don't think so. He would be a valued squad/ impact player though. That's how we should view him now if we sign the right players this summer.

Sunderland and Middlesbrough seem to be offering him  contracts that imply they think he is a first choice Central Midfielder. We can't have squad players earning north of £60k a week it is that simple either he is first choice in his preferred position of Attacking Midfielder or we don't agree the sort of terms that would appear to be required to keep him. 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: paulosull on May 28, 2016, 01:36:05 PM
Great servant for the club whom the fans will fondly remember but for Albion to push on then the likes of Jimmy need to be let go. Also this contract will be his last where it's in his favor so if he can get 70,000.00 a week at boro or where ever go luck to him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 29, 2016, 01:39:33 AM
I'd match it. Vastly underrated.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 29, 2016, 09:41:37 AM
I'd match it. Vastly underrated.

The more I think about the prospect of losing him the more I'm inclined to agree. We've really missed him since his injury.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: SmethDan on May 29, 2016, 11:30:27 AM
I like James Morrison and I too believe that he is under rated by some.

However, £70K pw would be too rich for me.

From what I have read in their local press he will not be offered that amount at Boro'.

If he can get it elsewhere then thanks for the memories and all the best.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: alex1 on May 29, 2016, 06:06:56 PM
does anyone here have the confidence that Pulis will bring in a better, more creative, younger midfielder?

i don't. letting go of Morrison would be bad news.

I'm sure Pulis will have some wonderful holding midfielder lined up. Another Sandro who will score once next season and set up 2 assists.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: gerry m on May 29, 2016, 06:18:18 PM
A top quality player on his day, but there was never any way the club was going to pay him £75k a week. Lets hope Nick Hammond has a suitable replacement lined up.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 29, 2016, 08:56:38 PM
I'd like him to stay. He's one of the few players in our squad I care a jot about at the moment.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 30, 2016, 09:23:50 AM
Does anyone have any evidence that Morrison has asked for £70K a week? I can't find any report on it at all. Is it just rumour? The only thing I have read about it was in the Brummie Mail that Boro were supposed to be going to offer him £70K a week...this was denied by Boro a day or so later.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on May 30, 2016, 09:54:44 AM
Does anyone have any evidence that Morrison has asked for £70K a week? I can't find any report on it at all. Is it just rumour? The only thing I have read about it was in the Brummie Mail that Boro were supposed to be going to offer him £70K a week...this was denied by Boro a day or so later.

If he's been offered that sort of money he'd be a fool to turn it down.
If he leaves I'd be sorry to see him go, one of our few quality players over a number of seasons.
Whatever he does good luck to him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on May 30, 2016, 10:09:54 AM
Does anyone have any evidence that Morrison has asked for £70K a week? I can't find any report on it at all. Is it just rumour? The only thing I have read about it was in the Brummie Mail that Boro were supposed to be going to offer him £70K a week...this was denied by Boro a day or so later.

No and nor will they, aside from press reports. I suspect had it been offered as reported then Morrison would have signed because I don't see us offering him that sort of contract. His contract runs out at the end of June, my guess our best and final offer is on the table, Morrison's agent is now trying to get a better offer probably from one of the Northern Clubs Sunderland Middlesbrough or Hull. If one is forthcoming then he might give us the chance to match it or he might not.

Equally he might want a move closer to home or have a change of scenery and it really doesn't matter what we offer him I don't think it is the case because we wouldn't still be in discussions with him, Morrison would have just finished at the end of the season.This cannot drag on much beyond the end of June at which point he is not being paid by anyone so it is starting to cost him money and he will want to be signed up somewhere before pre-season starts
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Throstletown on May 30, 2016, 12:53:42 PM
Its all about the money and there lies his loyalty.

Millionaire, financially secure, can afford 60k on a golf day but will sell his loyalty for the top dollar.

Decent player but in the 10 a penny league now, easily replaced so whats the worry.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on May 30, 2016, 01:12:15 PM
Its all about the money and there lies his loyalty.

Millionaire, financially secure, can afford 60k on a golf day but will sell his loyalty for the top dollar.

Decent player but in the 10 a penny league now, easily replaced so whats the worry.
It's not about the money though, he's a Boro fan born and raised and has family up there. He isn't easily replaced anyway, he's been a very good player for us over the years.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Throstletown on May 30, 2016, 01:32:05 PM
He'd go to Brighton if they payed him the most, its about money, theres no loyalty anymore, this guy can afford to see his family 1st class anytime he wants and his family can come to him anytime.
As for a decent player yes, but he is 30 he is not going to get better and I think easily replaced and not worth anything over 25k a week and that would be a 2 year max contract.
Replacing him is easy because we need strong, fit, quick, skilful box to box midfielders and over the years Mozza especially in the Premiership has not dominated enough games to put him in the category, he plays in patches 10-15 minutes then goes missing.
You are showing him more loyalty than ever he would show us.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 30, 2016, 02:00:10 PM
He'd go to Brighton if they payed him the most, its about money, theres no loyalty anymore, this guy can afford to see his family 1st class anytime he wants and his family can come to him anytime.
As for a decent player yes, but he is 30 he is not going to get better and I think easily replaced and not worth anything over 25k a week and that would be a 2 year max contract.
Replacing him is easy because we need strong, fit, quick, skilful box to box midfielders and over the years Mozza especially in the Premiership has not dominated enough games to put him in the category, he plays in patches 10-15 minutes then goes missing.
You are showing him more loyalty than ever he would show us.
was there ever any loyalty? find me cases of players refusing to move despite more money.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: darbolina on May 30, 2016, 02:11:30 PM
was there ever any loyalty? find me cases of players refusing to move despite more money.

Steve Bull from Wolves?

Like the rest of us on Earthly wages, money which influences job choices but those with families and connections in certain parts of the countries will be drawn to be nearer them usually hence why Mozza is linked with Sunderland. Boro and now Hull as far as I can see.

Jimmy owes use nothing. We owe him nothing. If both sides can't agree then good luck and we both move on. He'll do a solid enough job for someone in the premier league but if someone pays him over the odds for a couple more years, then he's definitely doing well out of it financially and good luck to him.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on May 30, 2016, 02:17:34 PM
Personally I wouldn't play the loyalty card either way. Given the dogs abuse meted out to players by their own supporters and the hundreds of kids shown the door by clubs every year why should players show a club loyalty? Yes they are wealthy young men who like us all make economic decisions based on their own best interest. Get over it.

The best you can ever hope for is they act professionally and don't bite the hand that feeds. That said they do have lives outside of football and sometimes they will take a job that meets their broader social needs rather than extracting the last cent from their chosen profession.

So were does that leave us with Morrison? He might be tempted to a move up North or by a too good to turn down move to one of the far flung outposts of global football. Either way it's his choice and given he is a free agent good luck to him. 

With regard to a replacement it is not beyond the wit of man and within our resources but it would be better if didn't have to, certainly this summer. 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 30, 2016, 10:57:06 PM
was there ever any loyalty? find me cases of players refusing to move despite more money.
Gerrard 😛
Bullay
Le tissier
Shearer
Puyol
Raul
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: mulliganstired on May 31, 2016, 08:07:48 AM
Its all about the money and there lies his loyalty.

Millionaire, financially secure, can afford 60k on a golf day but will sell his loyalty for the top dollar.

Decent player but in the 10 a penny league now, easily replaced so whats the worry.
Wasn't the 60k golf thing for charity?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: caravanc58 on May 31, 2016, 08:12:43 AM
Wasn't the 60k golf thing for charity?
it was for petrovs charity dinner, a cancer research charity.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: AshD on May 31, 2016, 09:19:12 AM
I personally think giving us 9 years of his career should as loyalty - not once has he come out and asked to move on or rocked the boat.

If at the age of 29/30 he fancies a new challenge and/or one last big payday, good luck to him. Will be a big loss for us!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tommcneill on May 31, 2016, 11:10:21 AM
I personally think giving us 9 years of his career should as loyalty - not once has he come out and asked to move on or rocked the boat.

If at the age of 29/30 he fancies a new challenge and/or one last big payday, good luck to him. Will be a big loss for us!

This is so true.

The guy has given us 9 years...how much more loyalty do you want?

If the reported wages are true I would be taking them aswell...16.5m over 4 years...thank you very much and goodbye
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: mulliganstired on May 31, 2016, 11:18:52 AM
Do we still do testimonials at 10 years, I know the original point of a loyalty bonus/pension contribution is largely irrelevant now?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 31, 2016, 12:28:51 PM
This loyalty issue is misguided some what in my eyes.

The days of one club players are pretty much dead. The only 3 I can think of in recent years are Giggs, Gerrard and Carragher all of whom played for clubs that were winning things on a consistent basis or if not actually winning things then competing at the highest level. If your club is doing that why would you move on?

Is it disloyal to want to be paid more money (allegedly) and be nearer family and friends?

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Morany on May 31, 2016, 12:35:39 PM
This loyalty issue is misguided some what in my eyes.

The days of one club players are pretty much dead. The only 3 I can think of in recent years are Giggs, Gerrard and Carragher all of whom played for clubs that were winning things on a consistent basis or if not actually winning things then competing at the highest level. If your club is doing that why would you move on?

Is it disloyal to want to be paid more money (allegedly) and be nearer family and friends?

With regards to Gerrard, wasn't he on the verge of being a Chelsea player, only to change his mind due to death threats?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 31, 2016, 12:46:41 PM
With regards to Gerrard, wasn't he on the verge of being a Chelsea player, only to change his mind due to death threats?

Yes I think he was, even if he had gone though my point would still stand that loyalty is meaningless in today's game. He would have moved from a club challenging for things to a club winning things.

The death threats thing is interesting as obviously it's going to make someone think twice. I was watching class of 92 last night and couldn't believe that Phil Neville got death threats for giving away that penalty against Romania which knocked England out of the 2000 WC.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 31, 2016, 12:59:21 PM
He's seen out his contract and given his all whenever he's played so that is loyalty enough for me and I don't think you can really ask for any more from a player. Lets face it football is just a job to these guys so like any of us when the opportunity comes to move on to something else we just weigh up all the options and make a decision accordingly.

Hopefully we can do enough to convince him that we are his best option for the future it if we can't then I'll wish him well for the future.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Throstletown on June 04, 2016, 07:59:05 AM
After this long I suspect we are the only ones interested in giving him a contract, he has not signed it yet as he hopes his agent can get him a better deal, my guess he wont get it.
The rumours were to create interest hopefully from Boro, but they have just signed a young winger/attacking midfielder and are actively looking at other targets.
I think Jimmy will signed as we will be his best option, maybe his only option as to be honest and that shows his quality and standing within the game. I can not remember anyone come knocking the door for him.
Yes 9 years loyalty maybe more if no interest, as I have said before Jimmy is not going to take us forward just to our demise.
I hope Im wrong because I dont rate him over a season, the odd game yes but we should be looking for better.
 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Chipperfan on June 04, 2016, 11:13:24 AM
After this long I suspect we are the only ones interested in giving him a contract, he has not signed it yet as he hopes his agent can get him a better deal, my guess he wont get it.
The rumours were to create interest hopefully from Boro, but they have just signed a young winger/attacking midfielder and are actively looking at other targets.
I think Jimmy will signed as we will be his best option, maybe his only option as to be honest and that shows his quality and standing within the game. I can not remember anyone come knocking the door for him.
Yes 9 years loyalty maybe more if no interest, as I have said before Jimmy is not going to take us forward just to our demise.
I hope Im wrong because I dont rate him over a season, the odd game yes but we should be looking for better.
 

Spot on. Nothing doing for him anywhere but here.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 04, 2016, 11:14:28 AM
After this long I suspect we are the only ones interested in giving him a contract, he has not signed it yet as he hopes his agent can get him a better deal, my guess he wont get it.
The rumours were to create interest hopefully from Boro, but they have just signed a young winger/attacking midfielder and are actively looking at other targets.
I think Jimmy will signed as we will be his best option, maybe his only option as to be honest and that shows his quality and standing within the game. I can not remember anyone come knocking the door for him.
Yes 9 years loyalty maybe more if no interest, as I have said before Jimmy is not going to take us forward just to our demise.
I hope Im wrong because I dont rate him over a season, the odd game yes but we should be looking for better.
 

Pure speculation and conjecture on your part? You might as well have just posted you think he's chite and Albion are chite.

Morrison is our best midfield player, a lynchpin in an albeit average national team, and as you said a loyal servant of our great club.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Throstletown on June 04, 2016, 03:40:53 PM
I have said he is coming to the end of his career, he wont be getting any better, faster, skill, technique and I doubt if anyone could disagree.
As for the Albion being Chite read the board and make your mind up, I witnessed the team last year put more dire performances by far than anything else.
We need a new player in that role head up and get us moving quicker Mozza is not that person anymore, nor is Brunt going to solve our problems, players who happy to do a Milner for England pass back and leave it to someone else, result pedestrian football.
 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on June 19, 2016, 10:51:40 PM
Looks like he will sign a new deal according to the usually reliable John Percy to be announced next week

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/19/west-brom-manager-tony-pulis-targets-queens-park-rangers-4m-wing/?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 20, 2016, 08:49:07 AM
Excellent news. 50k per week is very fair. He's the closest we've got to a club legend and he is a very useful player who we missed dearly last season.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on June 20, 2016, 02:42:36 PM
I like Mozza but him staying will probably mean that we won't be signing a new attacking midfielder. If this is the case the starting 11 will not really improve much from the one that has struggled for the last 3 years.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: liverbaggie on June 20, 2016, 02:49:14 PM
I know what you mean smethwickw I think he will become an important squad member,but I do think that we will sign an am anyway.
Ive always liked mozza and fair play for him wanting to stay but he does get injuries regularly.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 20, 2016, 02:49:46 PM
Quite happy with this to be honest - one of our better attacking players because he is able to carry us sixty yards up the pitch. Morrrison isn't the problem - its the severely limited footballers like Gardner and McClean that are the problem.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 20, 2016, 02:49:56 PM
I like Mozza but him staying will probably mean that we won't be signing a new attacking midfielder. If this is the case the starting 11 will not really improve much from the one that has struggled for the last 3 years.

We can't go into the season with just him as an attacking midfield player, his injury record shows hes susceptible to time on the sidelines and then we are left with no real central attacking options. I still expect us to look to sign another attacking midfield player.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on June 20, 2016, 02:54:08 PM
We can't go into the season with just him as an attacking midfield player, his injury record shows hes susceptible to time on the sidelines and then we are left with no real central attacking options. I still expect us to look to sign another attacking midfield player.

I agree. What I meant was that I can't see us signing a 'starter' if Mozza does stay. We'll most likely sign an inferior squad player or use someone like Phillips as cover. To really improve we need to bring in a Vasquez for example as well as keeping Mozza. The starting 11 needs to improve massively.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on June 20, 2016, 06:28:25 PM
Giving Morrison a £50k a week contract and then signing a very obvious Morrison replacement would be one of the dumber moves this club has made in recent years. I would therefore assume that the plan is Morrison is our starting number 10 next year the question then becomes how we provide cover for that role.

Phillips can play there so that becomes an option if he signs. We are probably going to bring in another striker to replace Berahino and I would have hoped they could drop into the 10 role and I would hope that any winger we sign isn't of headless chicken variety and could also play inside.

Longer term I would hope Leko could progress into the role.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on June 20, 2016, 07:43:26 PM
Giving Morrison a £50k a week contract and then signing a very obvious Morrison replacement would be one of the dumber moves this club has made in recent years. I would therefore assume that the plan is Morrison is our starting number 10 next year the question then becomes how we provide cover for that role.

Phillips can play there so that becomes an option if he signs. We are probably going to bring in another striker to replace Berahino and I would have hoped they could drop into the 10 role and I would hope that any winger we sign isn't of headless chicken variety and could also play inside.

Longer term I would hope Leko could progress into the role.

Like I say in this case I really can't see the starting 11 improving too dramatically. I think we'll sign more squad players which will give us slightly better strength in depth. I see the regular starting 11 like this for next season.

                    Foster

Dawson  McAuley  Evans  Brunt

             Fletcher  Yacob

                   Morrison

Phillips ?? / Leko     McLean / Robson Kanu??

                   Rondon


This side will see us struggle IMO especially as other teams will strengthen considerably. I really think we need at least 4/5 quality starters to move us forward.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on June 20, 2016, 07:45:24 PM
Our form notably dropped without him last season towards the end. He is the link between the midfield and attack, without him we look blunt. Hopefully he signs with us.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on June 20, 2016, 08:55:56 PM
I don't honestly think that keeping Morrison rules out strengthening the  starting XI it probably shifts the emphasis. An additional winger, a striker, a centre back a left back and a central midfielder, it would look radically different.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: dan7heman on June 20, 2016, 10:08:52 PM
Kind of meh.. on this one.

Do I like him yeah, Do i think we should do better yeah...

1yr addon is good for me. Squad player next year.. love him but need better to start x
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 20, 2016, 10:21:44 PM
Like I say in this case I really can't see the starting 11 improving too dramatically. I think we'll sign more squad players which will give us slightly better strength in depth. I see the regular starting 11 like this for next season.

                    Foster

Dawson  McAuley  Evans  Brunt

             Fletcher  Yacob

                   Morrison

Phillips ?? / Leko     McLean / Robson Kanu??

                   Rondon


This side will see us struggle IMO especially as other teams will strengthen considerably. I really think we need at least 4/5 quality starters to move us forward.

All we need to improve on to garner another 8/10 points is Gardner and McClean on the flanks, you are underrating the rest of our players, in an ideal world we'd sign a more talented player than Fletcher but it isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: dan7heman on June 20, 2016, 10:24:54 PM
All we need to improve on to garner another 8/10 points is Gardner and McClean on the flanks, you are underrating the rest of our players, in an ideal world we'd sign a more talented player than Fletcher but it isn't going to happen.

Jacko.

I think we should sign better than Jimmy not Dazza. IMO Dazza means more to the team than Jimmy.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 20, 2016, 10:37:46 PM
Jacko.

I think we should sign better than Jimmy not Dazza. IMO Dazza means more to the team than Jimmy.

But Morrison is a better footballer than Fletcher, and we are criminally short of footballers.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: dan7heman on June 20, 2016, 10:42:43 PM
But Morrison is a better footballer than Fletcher, and we are criminally short of footballers.

Agree with you. But as a club/team Fletch is more important than Morrison. It hurts me to say that btw,

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on June 20, 2016, 10:55:05 PM
I think and hope that we will still be looking for a high class central midfielder,ideally someone who can play box to box CM or AM.
We had to sign Sandro and Pritchard for cover this year so we need someone ...and someone of quality to improve us.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: dan7heman on June 20, 2016, 11:10:07 PM
I think and hope that we will still be looking for a high class central midfielder,ideally someone who can play box to box CM or AM.
We had to sign Sandro and Pritchard for cover this year so we need someone ...and someone of quality to improve us.

100% agree Adder. Hope we can find one. If not Jimmy will do.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on June 20, 2016, 11:16:17 PM
We are desperate for a box to box central midfielder and Morrison is not that. If we go into the season with a Central Midfield two of Yacob and Fletcher then it doesn't matter who we sign to play ahead of them we will not improve even marginally.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: dan7heman on June 20, 2016, 11:18:09 PM
We are desperate for a box to box central midfielder and Morrison is not that. If we go into the season with a Central Midfield two of Yacob and Fletcher then it doesn't matter who we sign to play ahead of them we will not improve even marginally.

Yeah but we will stay up Standaman... Bottom lines wins me think,
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on June 20, 2016, 11:36:08 PM
Like I say in this case I really can't see the starting 11 improving too dramatically. I think we'll sign more squad players which will give us slightly better strength in depth. I see the regular starting 11 like this for next season.

                    Foster

Dawson  McAuley  Evans  Brunt

             Fletcher  Yacob

                   Morrison

Phillips ?? / Leko     McLean / Robson Kanu??

                   Rondon


This side will see us struggle IMO especially as other teams will strengthen considerably. I really think we need at least 4/5 quality starters to move us forward.

I disagree that we will only sign fillers, Phillips would be signed as a starter. If we spent under £10 million I would be utterly dissapointed and cannot see it happening especially after letting go the likes of Sess.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 21, 2016, 05:42:48 PM
It's interesting to see that, whereas whether or not Morrison's place in the side has been justified has been borderline during his time with us, mostly because of his inconsistency, his absence from the side because of injury has turned him into a midfield genius in some people's eyes. I suspect it says more about our other midfielders, and the approach we have to games, than it does about Morrison's own abilities.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on June 21, 2016, 06:29:50 PM
It's interesting to see that, whereas whether or not Morrison's place in the side has been justified has been borderline during his time with us, mostly because of his inconsistency, his absence from the side because of injury has turned him into a midfield genius in some people's eyes. I suspect it says more about our other midfielders, and the approach we have to games, than it does about Morrison's own abilities.

I think it is telling that in spite of missing half the season he still achieved the joint highest number of assists and fourth highest number of goals. 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on June 21, 2016, 07:28:54 PM
It's interesting to see that, whereas whether or not Morrison's place in the side has been justified has been borderline during his time with us, mostly because of his inconsistency, his absence from the side because of injury has turned him into a midfield genius in some people's eyes. I suspect it says more about our other midfielders, and the approach we have to games, than it does about Morrison's own abilities.

I agree. Morrison is an average player made to look good by the poor squad we have. If he was really that good he'd have been snapped up already.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: beechyboy90 on June 21, 2016, 09:54:17 PM
Best of a bad bunch at the club.
Reason WBA have stagnated or of recent gone backwards is because we failed to upgrade on the likes of Olsson brunt and Morrison.

Unfortunately this year there are so many issues that need addressing we can't afford to not give him a new deal. Whole sale squad changes isn't good for a club. Were desperate for strikers wingers fullbacks that's 6 players before you even get to the centre midfield!

Morrison and brunt have been loyal servants and have been constantly our best players. He deserves his laste deal, testimonial and to get the chance to join the 300 club.

It would be daft to replace the better players. Replace the deadwood and evolve that way
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 21, 2016, 10:34:10 PM
Morrison is quality when played in his preferred position consistently.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 21, 2016, 10:43:22 PM
Most of our players are.
IF played in their right position.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on June 21, 2016, 11:17:19 PM
Yeah but we will stay up Standaman... Bottom lines wins me think,

I wouldn't count on it if our defence declines even slightly then without more goals there is a real possibility that we go down.

I can understand both sides of the Morrison argument. On the one hand we have nowhere enough creative attacking players in the squad and losing one of the few trusted by the manager obviously diminishes us. We plainly missed him when he was injured (although that was made worse by the Pulis not using or trusting the alternatives that were available) so if he signs it looks like we are at least no worse off.

However we have almost certainly seen peak Morrison he is now 30, the reported wages are  £50k a week and while not astronomical by premier league standards they would still make him one of our better paid players going into the twilight of is career. I think it is quite likely that in the short term means we are viewing him as a starter and we are unlikely to improve in this area much this summer.

I could of course be wrong. However if we either buy a first choice attacking midfielder e.g. Vazquez or go with a 4-4-2 with second striker then giving him a new contract at that level seems an odd decision. However only when we see the full picture can we form a judgement.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: t76 on June 22, 2016, 02:20:58 PM
Should have kept Sandro.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MarkW on June 22, 2016, 02:28:30 PM
Should have kept Sandro.

At the £4 million he would have cost, no thanks.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 22, 2016, 02:29:58 PM
Should have kept Sandro.

I'm sure I read somewhere the other day that he failed a medical at Sporting Lisbon. If it was ever a choice between him and Morrison I know exactly who I would give the £50k-a-week to and it isn't Sandro.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on June 22, 2016, 02:55:50 PM
Should have kept Sandro.

Different kind of players. I'm happy for Mozza to stay but think we should be improving on him. I guess there is so much work to do in other areas so money saved here.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: SmethDan on June 22, 2016, 03:10:59 PM
Far be it from me to state the obvious gents, but to my knowledge Morrison still hasn't put pen to paper.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: caravanc58 on June 22, 2016, 06:03:05 PM
I'm sure I read somewhere the other day that he failed a medical at Sporting Lisbon. If it was ever a choice between him and Morrison I know exactly who I would give the £50k-a-week to and it isn't Sandro.
I wouldn't pay either Sandro or Morrison £50k a week.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 22, 2016, 07:05:16 PM
I wouldn't pay either Sandro or Morrison £50k a week.

I'm afraid that with the new tv deal in place £50k-a-week is the new £35k-a-week so to speak.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on June 23, 2016, 09:27:12 PM
I don't honestly think that keeping Morrison rules out strengthening the  starting XI it probably shifts the emphasis. An additional winger, a striker, a centre back a left back and a central midfielder, it would look radically different.

Radically different? Tony Pulis - radically different?

Yeah  :-X
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on June 24, 2016, 08:40:54 AM
Radically different? Tony Pulis - radically different?

Yeah  :-X

Yes I know the make up of squad would look different but I fear the outcome would look the same
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: BB74 on June 30, 2016, 07:12:01 AM
Official site now - signed new contract.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: lewisant on June 30, 2016, 07:20:34 AM
Official site now - signed new contract.

Great news! Can see him being more of a utility player over the next two years but I'd rather see him start in the middle if we're 442 next to Yacob or Fletcher as he offers more I feel. If we buy two new wingers and go 4232 I wouldn't be against him being the number 10.

Fantastic that he'll make a testimonial year and I love the reasons he gave for staying.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MarkW on June 30, 2016, 08:14:06 AM
http://www.wba.co.uk//news/article/2016-17/james-morrison-contract-west-brom-albion-premier-league-3148507.aspx?site=desktop

Morrison has made 278 appearances in nine years at Albion
LONG-SERVING Albion midfielder James Morrison has put pen to paper on a new contract at The Hawthorns.

The Scotland international, who joined the Baggies in August 2007, has signed a two-year deal which includes a further one-year option in the club's favour.

Morrison's contract had been set to expire on July 1 but will now run until at least the summer of 2018.





Securing the 30-year-old's future, amid interest from rival teams, represents an important step as the club continue preparations for a seventh successive Premier League campaign in 2016/17.

The fans' favourite spent a frustrating spell on the sidelines over the second half of last season having sustained a ruptured hamstring in the 2-2 draw against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in mid-January.

And it was the premature end to the season which had a major bearing on his thinking as he weighed up his options.

"I was aware of the speculation and some of the stories were true," said Morrison.

"I had a good sit down and think about it - did I need a new challenge? What more could I do with the Club?

"I spoke with my family, the Chairman, Richard Garlick and they told me their vision about where we go from here and I also thought about the end of last season. I didn't like the way I went out - walking around the pitch and then out the door.

"I had worked too hard for it to finish like that. Now I hope that we can push the club on again because we all have to accept that since finishing eighth we haven't done as well as we wanted to."

Head Coach Tony Pulis said:"It was inevitable that James would consider his options at the end of his contract but we're delighted that he as decided to sign back up with Albion.

"He will be keen to prove his worth this season and we are sure he has a big contribution to make."

Morrison arrived from Middlesbrough and enjoyed a memorable maiden year, clinching the 2007/08 Championship title and reaching an FA Cup semi-final at Wembley.

Relegation followed in the subsequent season before Morrison helped Albion once again seal promotion from the second tier back among England's elite.

He has since been an ever-present and consistent figure in the club's six successive Premier League campaigns and will now bid to become the newest member of the '300 club' after Chris Brunt reached the landmark last term.

Morrison has so far made 278 career appearances for Albion, scoring 33 goals



Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 30, 2016, 08:17:12 AM
like signing a new player, welcome back Jimmy
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tambag on June 30, 2016, 08:53:44 AM
Good news. 

Had a feeling we would have some news today, as he would be a free agent tomorrow and wouldn't be getting a salary !
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: stever60 on June 30, 2016, 09:20:45 AM
I for one am really pleased with this news. Think we definitely missed him back end of last season
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: don1thedon on June 30, 2016, 09:27:38 AM
Great news, now let's push on!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 30, 2016, 10:48:58 AM
This news doesn't excite me I'm afraid. Morrison is being put on an unwarranted (IMO) pedestal by some, but I think his heightened stock is because of the deficiencies of others at the club.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on June 30, 2016, 11:09:35 AM
it's good that he's decided to stay because I really don't trust us to replace him if he'd gone.

our track record with transfers is frankly embarrassing at the moment
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 30, 2016, 11:18:30 AM
Fantastic signing, badly underrated by some of our support.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: geoff on June 30, 2016, 12:02:22 PM
Glad to see him sign a new contract with us  :D
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 30, 2016, 12:09:16 PM
Fantastic signing, badly underrated by some of our support.

I find it hard to believe some of our supporters lack of appreciation for Mozza. When played in his favoured position, he is a top player for us. It's no coincidence that since Pulis utilised him centrally rather than as a winger under previous managers, we see the best of him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tommcneill on June 30, 2016, 12:19:50 PM
Very happy with this, fair play to the player aswell in a time of money grabbing players its nice to see a player that truly wants to be here, very happy here, has a great connection with the fans and still has plenty to offer.

Will join the 300+ club for us and will have spent 10 years at the club.

Cheers Mozza its made my day
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Morany on June 30, 2016, 12:21:02 PM
Hopefully like a new signing if he's at full fitness
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on June 30, 2016, 12:51:35 PM
Fantastic news. Although it doesn't have the excitement of a new signing I imagine this could be the biggest signing for us of the summer in terms of importance. He's consistently been one of our best players over the years. Hopefully he is fully fit by the new season as we missed him.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kris_boing on June 30, 2016, 01:03:22 PM
Chuffed to bits with this news.  Mozza has been great for us and is still among our best players.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mikkyk on June 30, 2016, 01:20:34 PM
I find it hard to believe some of our supporters lack of appreciation for Mozza. When played in his favoured position, he is a top player for us. It's no coincidence that since Pulis utilised him centrally rather than as a winger under previous managers, we see the best of him.

I think spot on. Roy also played him centrally for a bit if you remember - which caused Garth Crooks to say if he carries in like this he'll be picked for England!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: MarkW on June 30, 2016, 03:27:49 PM
Him and Brunt are talking about a testimonial next summer:

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/west-brom-albion-james-morrison-chris-brunt-3161327.aspx

Mozza and Brunt to celebrate 10 years together at Albion

JAMES Morrison will discuss plans for a joint charity testimonial with Chris Brunt as the duo prepare to mark their 20-year allegiance with the Club.

The summer of 2017 will mark the 10th anniversary of the two players, once youth-team colleagues at Middlesbrough, arriving at The Hawthorns.

After signing a new deal this week, Mozza is now hoping to build on his 278 appearances and follow Brunt through the 300-barrier he broke last season.

And Morrison has revealed that a possible testimonial celebration next summer is a subject that came up during his talks with the Club about a new deal.

"At the moment, we have had a gentlemen's handshake on the idea and we will look at it in more detail further on," says Morrison.

"But not many players do that in this day and age and it would be nice to celebrate the moment for charity.

"I will have a chat with Brunty and see if he is up for it."
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: bradleysrocket on June 30, 2016, 03:35:00 PM
Even if you don't rate either of them as great just now, I don't think you can underplay just how important either of these players have been in getting us to where we are as a premier league club today. Hopefully everybody will get behind the idea of a joint testimonial, lord knows we don't seem to see too many of them nowadays.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 30, 2016, 03:37:21 PM
He is worth re-signing just because he slapped Bera after the Cardiff match.  :o
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 30, 2016, 03:45:36 PM
Even if you don't rate either of them as great just now, I don't think you can underplay just how important either of these players have been in getting us to where we are as a premier league club today. Hopefully everybody will get behind the idea of a joint testimonial, lord knows we don't seem to see too many of them nowadays.
mozza is

http://mobile.wba.co.uk//news/article/2016-17/west-brom-albion-james-morrison-chris-brunt-3161327.aspx
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: seteefeet on June 30, 2016, 03:52:09 PM
Happy with this. May not be 1st choice, but we could easily spend £5m on someone who turns out to be far worse.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 30, 2016, 08:26:51 PM
If he is back up then fine, starter no.
Interesting that he spoke to family,garlick,chairman..and no mention of tone?

I think the takeover will bring new management
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on June 30, 2016, 08:59:29 PM
Glad to hear this and 2 + 1 is a sensible length of contract.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Cleobury_WBA on June 30, 2016, 10:27:25 PM
Really pleased with this news, we really missed him last season when he was injured.

Still one of the best players in our squad IMO.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: wba1993dave on June 30, 2016, 10:31:09 PM
No mention of TP, interesting.....
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Adder on June 30, 2016, 11:08:04 PM
I would suspect that TP has indicated his approval for the contract offer and then it would all be handled by Garlick and JP as that's more their patch.

 
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on June 30, 2016, 11:11:06 PM
People are reading into TP too much. If Morrison didn't like him, he'd have quit for Boro. He even spoke about running up Austrian mountains as a nod to Pulis.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on July 01, 2016, 07:07:51 AM
Also interesting to hear that Mozza stayed after speaking to JP and being told that we were after quality players to push us up the league.  ;)
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Standaman on July 01, 2016, 07:40:59 AM
I always take everything that a player is quoted as saying on signing a contract with any club with a pinch of salt. Players are never going to say "frankly the club offered more money than anybody else or M'boro is a bit of a dump and the missus didn't fancy it" Their given reasons are a little contrived so trying to read anything into what they didn't say is stretching things. He signed so he must be happy enough with his lot at the Hawthorns.

I think the fact that the deal is only for two more years is a good move on the part of the club. I wouldn't want us to commit to him beyond that. I am assuming that he goes into the season as first choice attacking midfielder in a 4-2-3-1 but as with everything else we will have to wait and see who else arrives.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: GrGr on July 01, 2016, 04:32:50 PM
Also interesting to hear that Mozza stayed after speaking to JP and being told that we were after quality players to push us up the league.  ;)

Like everybody else in the PL.

I will believe we sign quality players when I see it. Also we still have Pulis so it doesn't really matter if we have "better" players, they will still be regimented according to the rules of Pulisball.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Bigrob80 on July 01, 2016, 05:28:44 PM
I'm happy he has stayed even though I think we only see flashes of brilliance we do still see flashes and we need those in our midfield!
Am also pretty happy the club went with a 2 year contract as it basically says you have 2 years to perform or you out! Keeps him a bit more on his toes, so to speak.
Hopefully we end up with a class midfield and he can be used as fresh legs when we need him.
Here's hoping over the next few weeks😂👍🏻
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on July 02, 2016, 06:26:38 PM
Very happy with this, fair play to the player aswell in a time of money grabbing players its nice to see a player that truly wants to be here, very happy here, has a great connection with the fans and still has plenty to offer.

Will join the 300+ club for us and will have spent 10 years at the club.

Cheers Mozza its made my day

It's fairly obvious that we offered him the most money. I said before if he was that good then bigger clubs would come calling. Middlesbro were the only real strong contender and I suspect that they couldn't afford him. He'd have moved like a shot if so.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: gerry m on July 02, 2016, 06:36:58 PM
It's fairly obvious that we offered him the most money. I said before if he was that good then bigger clubs would come calling. Middlesbro were the only real strong contender and I suspect that they couldn't afford him. He'd have moved like a shot if so.

If i read right what you are saying he's only signing for the money and not the club!
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 02, 2016, 07:09:53 PM
It's fairly obvious that we offered him the most money. I said before if he was that good then bigger clubs would come calling. Middlesbro were the only real strong contender and I suspect that they couldn't afford him. He'd have moved like a shot if so.

Totally agree, I think his heart has always been in Middlesbrough but if the reports of his agents demands were true then I bet he ain't getting what he wanted here either.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: gerry m on July 02, 2016, 07:33:09 PM
Totally agree, I think his heart has always been in Middlesbrough but if the reports of his agents demands were true then I bet he ain't getting what he wanted here either.

Im sure i read somewhere that he or his agents were asking for £70,000 a week :o.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jimmy on July 02, 2016, 10:45:32 PM
Still the best player at the club.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 03, 2016, 12:02:15 AM
Still the best player at the club.

If that's true, it's a sad reflection on the club, his assists and goals scored are not high enough to be "good" in my opinion. He's decent and not a let down, but a club who finish 11th, 10th, 8th, 17th, 13th, 14th should have a player better than Mozza.

For my money, Rondon is a better player easily.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Throstletown on July 03, 2016, 10:42:05 AM
He stayed as we gave him a deal, no one else was interested.
If he had the club at heart this would not be a discussion, basically he would have been out of contract in days, not weeks, not months when he signed.
Money is at his heart and another team paying him more and he would have gone and made a blah statement at another press conference.
As for being our best player that is not really true, he is a average player who can contibute but is no midfielder dominator and thats why transfer window after transfer window there have been no interest.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: overseas baggie on July 03, 2016, 10:49:31 AM
He stayed as we gave him a deal, no one else was interested.
If he had the club at heart this would not be a discussion, basically he would have been out of contract in days, not weeks, not months when he signed.
Money is at his heart and another team paying him more and he would have gone and made a blah statement at another press conference.
As for being our best player that is not really true, he is a average player who can contibute but is no midfielder dominator and thats why transfer window after transfer window there have been no interest.

Sorry mate but that's rubbish.  There's been "no interest" in him in previous transfer windows because he was still under contract with us and we weren't looking to sell him!

I agree that he's not our best player, but he's our best in his particular role, and one of our most creative players.   Am pleased he is staying, but there are other inferior players who we really should quickly offload, like Gardner and McClean.  And I wouldn't have given a new contract to Olsson.

Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: smethwickw on July 03, 2016, 11:50:24 AM
Sorry mate but that's rubbish. There's been "no interest" in him in previous transfer windows because he was still under contract with us and we weren't looking to sell him!

I agree that he's not our best player, but he's our best in his particular role, and one of our most creative players.   Am pleased he is staying, but there are other inferior players who we really should quickly offload, like Gardner and McClean.  And I wouldn't have given a new contract to Olsson.

I disagree. Every one of our players is 'for sale' at the right price. Berahino is a perfect example. How come the likes of Southampton and Swansea have sold players over the last couple of years for big sums? Perhaps it's because those players have been good ones. Our fans go on about the likes of Brunt and Morrison as some kind of world beaters. They are very average which is why they play for us and no one better. Berahino aside the only real player of quality we have IMO is Evans and it won't be long before bigger teams come sniffing.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Throstletown on July 04, 2016, 09:13:36 AM
Southampton and the like buy potential, they see beyond a season or to, they make money off their investmants, we buy then either make a loss, or have to give them away due to their old age. No revenue gained to invest, dead money, stagnation.
Hence our squads average age.
I agree with Brunty and Mozza average players no one would buy and the next time their contracts are up they will walk, squad players who have no real value, but that does not mean they have not contributed.
Ambition? 
Lacking for years!   
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: SirTonyM on September 01, 2016, 02:08:49 AM
The big question is...what did JP say to Jimmy to make him sign an extension?
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: kendover on September 01, 2016, 03:04:44 AM
Probably same as he told Chadli
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: 17GD on September 01, 2016, 08:35:50 AM
Just read that Morrison wanted to leave yesterday for Celtic but the club blocked the move.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: WBArgo on September 01, 2016, 09:35:32 AM
Just read that Morrison wanted to leave yesterday for Celtic but the club blocked the move.

I read that too, possibly Camacho was meant to come in and Morrison out...not the craziest idea in the world?

That said, I think Mozza is more than professional enough to continue this season and won't moan. It's pretty important he returns now due to our lack of players. The issue with him is that historically he struggles with injuries and they often linger for longer than expected.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: timdon on September 01, 2016, 09:41:56 AM
I read that too, possibly Camacho was meant to come in and Morrison out...not the craziest idea in the world?

That said, I think Mozza is more than professional enough to continue this season and won't moan. It's pretty important he returns now due to our lack of players. The issue with him is that historically he struggles with injuries and they often linger for longer than expected.
I think he is a bit stale as well as injury prone. He shouldn't really have been offered a new contract and shouldn't have signed it imo. He needs a new challenge at this stage of his career and it's easy to see the allure of Celtic. Don't think we will ever see an on song Morrison for us again
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jimmy on September 01, 2016, 03:06:18 PM
Feel sorry for Morrison. Shanghaied (is that a pun) into a new deal on the promise of investment from this takeover. Probably.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2016, 03:07:50 PM
Feel sorry for Morrison. Shanghaied (is that a pun) into a new deal on the promise of investment from this takeover. Probably.

and denied a move to Celtic and Champions League football to boot at the last minute
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Jimmy on September 01, 2016, 03:09:29 PM
and denied a move to Celtic and Champions League football to boot at the last minute

Pretty despicable from the club really.
Title: Re: James Morrison
Post by: Mister AT on September 01, 2016, 03:10:16 PM
Feel sorry for Morrison. Shanghaied (is that a pun) into a new deal on the promise of investment from this takeover. Probably.

I dont feel sorry for him at all, hes old enough and wise enough to know how football works, and hes been at this club long enough to know how we work as a club, he will have seen first hand the situation with Saido