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Title: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 26, 2011, 02:53:32 PM
Interview with the player after a England u20 training game, shows his goal as well from that game

http://www.thefa.com/video/England/Mens-U20s/2011/World%20Cup/Saido-Berahino-in-Denver
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on July 26, 2011, 03:37:56 PM
One of our elite youngsters. Good to see him getting a goal - hopefully he will get a chance to impress out on loan this year.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on July 26, 2011, 08:36:05 PM
You have to believe he is in with a chance of getting into the side during the second half of the season. Seems to be getting bigger now and to be playing under 20's having only turned 18 this year shows he is in front in his development.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kendover on July 26, 2011, 09:12:52 PM
Not 18 until next month I think  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboyjop on July 27, 2011, 04:04:20 PM
Not 18 until next month I think  :o

Wow!

He really does seem to be developing very well. Hopefully we have a star on our hands
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on July 27, 2011, 04:42:09 PM
17 and playing in the under 20's!!! Seems like this lad has got a big future ahead of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on July 27, 2011, 04:43:09 PM
17 and playing in the under 20's!!! Seems like this lad has got a big future ahead of him.

His name sounds rather African. Are you sure he is 17?  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on July 27, 2011, 04:50:24 PM
17 and playing in the under 20's!!! Seems like this lad has got a big future ahead of him.

Take a look at this link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1227986/THE-LIST-The-50-teenage-sensations-Premier-League-history-Nos-50-41.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1227986/THE-LIST-The-50-teenage-sensations-Premier-League-history-Nos-50-41.html)

At 17 if he was going to be a major force in football then you would expect him to be playing week in week out now really.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on July 27, 2011, 05:54:09 PM
Not necessarily BB74, being only 17/18 in a premier league side leaves him with lots of time to break in to the first team.

Admittedly, if he does not break in this season then there will be some doubts over whether he will be a top striker but you can be good enough for this level and break through in your twenties. It all depends how you develop and Berahino is coming along nicely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 27, 2011, 05:20:09 PM
Been scoring loads in the reserves, and when I've seen him he's looked very impressive. What do you guys think of him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 27, 2011, 05:24:13 PM
The one goal I've seen was a cracker. England U17, I think it was.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on September 27, 2011, 05:31:06 PM
Seems like a good prospect as does kemar roofe (apologies for spelling). Has anyone heard anything about Izzy Brown? He was a kid paraded in the hawthorns when he signed last season or season before.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 27, 2011, 06:00:12 PM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on September 27, 2011, 06:18:56 PM
I think Brown comes through next year.

As for Berahino, he has been highly thought of for a few years but im surprised he has only made the match day squad once and was not taken on the clubs pre season tour.

Players like Thorne, Mantom, Roofe etc all seem to have pushed ahead of him in the opportunity stakes and his tournament with the England u19s or 20's didnt seem to really work but hopefully this year he will get a chance to go out on loan somewhere like league 1 and we will see him start to develop.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on September 27, 2011, 06:25:30 PM
He was really poor at the U20 World Cup.  Played up front on his own which is a thankless task anyway but the way we played didnt suit his game.

Hate to draw comparisons but he reminded me alot of Ellington in terms of build, demeanor and workrate.

I'm hoping he just had a poor tournament because on thatt showing theres no way he'll break into our first team any time soon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Avonbaggie on September 27, 2011, 07:16:39 PM
What position does he play? Saw him in our squad list for the Swansea match but had no prior knowledge before that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 27, 2011, 10:01:29 PM
What position does he play? Saw him in our squad list for the Swansea match but had no prior knowledge before that.

He seems quite versatile. Think he has been playing on the wing the last few reserve games, and still getting some goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 27, 2011, 10:03:52 PM
Speaking of kids, what's up with Lateef Elford-Alliyu? Is he injured?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Shanewba90 on September 27, 2011, 10:11:38 PM
I remember he was quality in Football Manager after a few years!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on September 27, 2011, 10:19:18 PM
Scored again today in a 3 nil win over Sunderland,our side contained Dawson and Thorne with the latter going off injured after 68 mins.Roy was there watching too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 28, 2011, 12:17:42 AM
what the hell has happened to alliyu ?

Got injured towards the end of last season when he was on loan at Tranmere, don't think he's figured at all yet this season for any of the teams including the academy so maybe still injured
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnthebaggie on September 28, 2011, 07:34:17 AM
Speaking of youth players in general, is anyone else disappointed at the lack of players who actually become regulars in the Albion first team.?

I know it's difficult being a premier team and the reluctance to try the kids in matches, discounting the cups, but it seems like ages since anyone came through for our team.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: brummyroader on September 28, 2011, 09:39:04 AM
Speaking of youth players in general, is anyone else disappointed at the lack of players who actually become regulars in the Albion first team.?

I know it's difficult being a premier team and the reluctance to try the kids in matches, discounting the cups, but it seems like ages since anyone came through for our team.



I think you could say that about a lot of clubs at our level as well as Championship mate, obviously there are exceptions but i would say the majority are reluctant to blood youngsters as the stakes with money in respective divisions is too high to take a punt on younger players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on September 28, 2011, 04:11:22 PM
And yet the 2 Manchester clubs do better than most!!?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 28, 2011, 04:19:54 PM
The problem is simply that to compete regularly at PL level the young players have to have talent levels that are extremely rare (on the order of 1 among thousands, probably tens of thousands). There are a lot of players without extreme talent, but they have to work years to reach a proficiency that enables them to do a job for PL teams (see McAuley etc etc).

 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 28, 2011, 05:00:52 PM
I think the reserves are littered with young talent, very few 1st team players playing in the stiffs but they are top of their league, very promising I would say, many of them have moved up from junior teams to the reserves and they are still competitive, can only bode well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on September 28, 2011, 05:55:43 PM
The reserves is a start. Most teams play their youngsters in the reserves nowadays so our reserves doing well hints at the academy getting better. Villa often win the reserves league and it's no surprise that they produce so many players.

It's hard to tell how the academy is progressing as our youngsters are only just maturing into players now but I think this is a big year for them. A few of our players turn 20 in the next few months and will no longer be teenagers which can change your opinion about how young they really are. Players like Paul Downing, Romaine Sawyers, Lateef Elford Alliyu, Sam Mantom and Kayledon Brown all really have to get close to the first team or go out on loan this season like fellow age group players James Hurst and Chris Wood and impress if they are going to have a career here. To put that into perspective, Joe Mattock only a few months ago turned 21 and most had written him off a year ago.

Hopefully the players in the next age bracket like Thorne, Berahino, O Neil and Roofe also get close to the first team or a loan as they will be 19 before the season finishes and your only a youngster for so long.

We are making progress as a large number of the kids we release around that age now will have a football league career which is better than we were doing even 6 or so years ago but you just want things to speed up a bit now, be that doing something in the academy leagues and FA youth cup, doing something in the reserves or breaking into our or somebody else's first team.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 28, 2011, 06:08:11 PM
We are making progress. I have high hopes for the generation you mentioned Baggies. That team has been winning at each tier they have been playing. I am positive some of them will be able to play at the PL level. Hard to say exactly which ones yet, haven't seen enough of them all and the development paths and curves are so non-linear nearly always. But I like how comfortable they are on the ball and the way they play football.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on September 28, 2011, 10:02:15 PM
The next step for us is getting one of youngsters to shine in the Championship,a Thorne or a Mantom.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 29, 2011, 08:44:32 AM
The next step for us is getting one of youngsters to shine in the Championship,a Thorne or a Mantom.

 ??? How about Wood
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on September 29, 2011, 10:41:42 AM
??? How about Wood
I tend not to class him as home grown as he came over from NZ in his later teens although im impressed and pleased at how he has done both last season and this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on September 29, 2011, 07:04:09 PM
??? How about Wood

Wood is leading the way for our other youngsters which is great news but im hoping for our other youngsters when they get a loan move to impress with their general play rather than their goals. Wood has been brilliant at scoring goals but his fans at Blues seem to concede that when you take away the goals, he hasnt looked that good. Still only a teenager but turns 20 in the next few months and if your all round play isnt good enough at 20 in that league then you have a lot of work to do if your going to be a premier league regular. His movement seems to be brilliant though because despite never appearing to be brilliant, he still gets himself into the positions to score goals which is the first rule for a striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 29, 2011, 08:42:11 PM
Zigic is back from injury now and played some part today. I doubt Wood will be getting as much time now, unfortunately
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 20, 2011, 03:27:50 PM
Good luck to him, he will be in there sqaud to face Bradford on Saturday first ever experaince of playing senior football in front on ten thousand people.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: texisonfire on October 20, 2011, 03:39:33 PM
Might be at that game as part of my course so will be interesting to see how he gets on
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on October 20, 2011, 04:16:21 PM
Hopefully he plays and does well for them - his record at youth level and reserve level is superb.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dB on October 20, 2011, 04:48:36 PM
Hopefully he plays and does well for them - his record at youth level and reserve level is superb.

Absolutely. Be very interesting to see if he can replicate it. Hope so, looks a cracking player at the minute.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 20, 2011, 10:13:10 PM
Of all our kids this is the big one for me, his record at age group levels is phenomenal, I think he'll score for fun in the lower leagues.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 20, 2011, 10:18:52 PM
I agree with that. He seems to have fitted in and excelled at every level, making the step up every time. With Wood scoring for fun at blues hopefully Saido can score in 1st team games too and we'll have home grown talent coming through sooner than later.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: katadamick on October 21, 2011, 08:35:42 AM
You can see it now big boot up front wood flicks it on berahino runs on the end of ot goal simples. Or am i dreaming  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mulumbu99 on October 22, 2011, 09:29:38 PM
Credit where credit's due, the lad was one of he few players to emerge from the latest debacle with any credit at all.  He may not have got or created many chances but he worked hard and showed a nice touch and a bit of promise for the future. What I liked about him is he seems to be a "winner". Sadly, not in the getting-three-points sense today, but in the way Mr Atkins used to label players. He kept going and going, chasing after the ball when it went out of play to get play going again while we still had a chance. He really didn't want to lose today and that is an attitude that will hopefully rub off on a few of our other players.


quote from one of there forums... played 90 mins, lost 2-1 at bradford.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mulumbu99 on October 25, 2011, 09:08:13 PM
just scored against hereford... losing 2-1.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 26, 2011, 12:33:19 PM
just scored against hereford... losing 2-1.

Is that a goal on debut? Just checked the Northampton page on the BBC and it was his second start.

Really have high hopes for this kid. Would love to see an Albion first XI with two or three regular players who have come through the academy (Berahino, Thorne and maybe Sawyers or Elford Alliyu)

On a personal note I want Romaine to do well as I taught his cousin about 12 years ago and some time later he saw me outside of school and told me to watch out for Romaine at the albion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 26, 2011, 12:46:35 PM
Is that a goal on debut? Just checked the Northampton page on the BBC and it was his second start.

Really have high hopes for this kid. Would love to see an Albion first XI with two or three regular players who have come through the academy (Berahino, Thorne and maybe Sawyers or Elford Alliyu)

On a personal note I want Romaine to do well as I taught his cousin about 12 years ago and some time later he saw me outside of school and told me to watch out for Romaine at the albion.


Berahino started on Saturday as well so it was his second game last night.

Romaine Sawyers scored in the Birmingham Senior Cup game against Redditch Utd last night.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 26, 2011, 01:07:22 PM
Berahino started on Saturday as well so it was his second game last night.

Romaine Sawyers scored in the Birmingham Senior Cup game against Redditch Utd last night.

Cheers for that. I'd noticed the first point and editted my post.

Sawyers scoring put him in mind  as I'd checked the OS earlier. Always read about the reserves and kids as I'd love to see some home grown talent coming through. Should start to see this soon as we've had academy status for quite a while now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 03, 2011, 01:32:18 PM
Loan extended until January 2nd

http://www.wba.co.uk/page/News/0,,10366~2504503,00.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 05, 2011, 04:23:52 PM
He has scored his second goal of the day.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on November 05, 2011, 05:43:34 PM
Well thats 3 in 4 I think so as long as he keeps up his goalscoring record he is moving forward. Id have liked to see him tested at league 1 rather than league 2 but there is lots of time for that to happen and more goals at this level can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 05, 2011, 07:45:43 PM
25 yarder his first one today. :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mat15(MH) on November 07, 2011, 07:58:52 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15613944.stm

His two goals are in that video. Two very nice finishes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on November 12, 2011, 04:31:50 PM
Sky Sports reporter covering the game is saying Berahino is playing very well. He is beating players down the wing and trying o chip the keeper among other things. Lets hope he climbs the divisions quick with his loan moves like Wood has because he is exciting.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on November 29, 2011, 01:27:27 PM
The changing of manager can't help Saido, and Northampton are really struggling. Its a shame because it sounded like he was doing well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 29, 2011, 01:47:52 PM
The changing of manager can't help Saido, and Northampton are really struggling. Its a shame because it sounded like he was doing well.
Could also work the other way as everybody will start with a clean slate so he has just as much chance to impress as anybody else there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on December 26, 2011, 07:37:08 PM
Scored in the first minute today for Northampton but they lost again. Without a win in 12 games and I dont think they have won since he signed.

Despite that, read the below link, go to "cobblers corner" and then the first thread (first sticky) which seems to be a man of the match thread.

http://www.thehotelend.co.uk/

To say the comments on Berahino are glowing would be an understatement. Best player on the pitch, unanimous MOM choice and comments that he is like a young Jermaine Defoe who will be "some player in the future".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mulumbu99 on January 02, 2012, 03:26:31 PM
just banged in one away to shrewsbury.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on January 02, 2012, 03:41:38 PM
Scoring goals in a poor side shows he really has some class! Hope to see him playing for us soon, really rate Saido!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bobcracker on January 02, 2012, 09:15:02 PM
I've seen a few of his goals on the highlights, and what stands out is the way he's taking his chances. Looks so natural, I have high hopes for the lad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on January 02, 2012, 09:21:48 PM
I'm surprised he's staying with them, 5 in 10 games for a club who've been in dreadful form and are in the relegation zone of league 2 is very impressive, and it seems its not just goals, he's skillful and very hard working.

I suppose he's going to get starts there, but at least a league one club would surely be interested. Still, they seem to be handling him well, and he appears to like it there so its not the worst idea to let him stay.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on January 02, 2012, 11:27:41 PM
Get him dahn the Saddlers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on January 05, 2012, 11:13:21 AM
For those that have seen him play how near is he to getting into the first team squad? From what I have read he looks like a very exciting prospect and is doing himself no harm at the moment getting 5 goals in only 10 games so far with Northampton.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on January 06, 2012, 06:50:35 AM
Had his loan extended into February.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boinger1968 on January 12, 2012, 10:21:02 AM
Has to be good news. Nice to see so many of our academy players being rewarded. We must be doing something right.

http://www.wba.co.uk/page/News/0,,10366~2573575,00.html

Not sure if the link works but it's on the OS.



Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on January 12, 2012, 10:42:57 AM
He's still only 18 and popping in the goals regularly for Northampton - a player whose development Albion fans will watch with keen anticipation. Good decision to award him a longish term contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on January 12, 2012, 11:21:30 AM
do you think he will make our first 11? i hope he does solely for his name, sounds brazilian!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on January 15, 2012, 12:53:32 AM
Scored again  today against high flyers Southend,looks quite strong almost like a mini Yakubu!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on February 06, 2012, 04:03:56 PM
Back at the club:

http://footytweets.com/wba/news/644305
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 06, 2012, 04:09:38 PM
and called up for the England under 19's today with Thorne

http://www.wba.co.uk/page/News/0,,10366~2601622,00.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on February 06, 2012, 09:03:15 PM
We should see if Walsall are interested. They have struggled to score goals (so i am told at work) and we can see him in a division higher.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mat15(MH) on February 08, 2012, 07:25:44 PM
http://footytweets.com/wba/news/644891?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Not going back to Northampton as he will be off to a League One club. Nice to see he will be making a step-up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on February 08, 2012, 08:08:49 PM
Thats the sort of progression he has to make. If this next spell goes well for him then the championship next season wont be out of the question and then he will be on course to find a place in our side.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: throstle on February 08, 2012, 10:34:59 PM
Going on loan to Brentford according to

http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/football/cobblers/breaking_news_striker_berahino_leaves_cobblers_1_3497760
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on February 09, 2012, 02:55:33 PM
Joined Brentford on loan, a step up from League 2 anyway.

http://www.wba.co.uk/page/News/0,,10366~2604912,00.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 18, 2012, 10:36:52 AM
First game for Brentford at home to Carlisle is live on Sky Sports Monday night.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on February 18, 2012, 12:10:33 PM
First game for Brentford at home to Carlisle is live on Sky Sports Monday night.

Cheers for that. This kid is really promising.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on February 20, 2012, 07:07:00 PM
Starts on the bench tonight.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: reiss on February 20, 2012, 07:19:14 PM
i would rather wacth paint dry than Brentford v Carlise
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mulumbu99 on February 20, 2012, 08:28:35 PM
screamerrrrrrrrrr.  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on February 20, 2012, 08:32:41 PM
Berinho just scored a worldy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AuxerreAlbion on February 20, 2012, 08:46:28 PM
Cracking goal from him, a nice pass for the second goal and his general play has livened-up a poor game, I'm almost looking forward to the second half.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mulumbu99 on February 20, 2012, 09:00:19 PM
wtf, another worldy  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on February 20, 2012, 09:01:26 PM
Worldy No2! Wow
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AuxerreAlbion on February 20, 2012, 09:02:55 PM
Eat my goal!
I thought his first finish was good, but that was class.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on February 20, 2012, 09:04:17 PM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 20, 2012, 09:05:53 PM
I knew there was a reason to watch this game tonight. Can't believe I've missed them both.

Well done to the kid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 20, 2012, 09:11:37 PM
Worth a sub appearance last game or two if we're safe?

Recalling him and Wood, probably losing Cox..

Strike force of Berahino, Pete, Long, MAF, Wood ain't too shabby.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie steve on February 20, 2012, 09:24:51 PM
Two great goals and nearly the hat trick, looks a good un
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: rajesh-wba on February 20, 2012, 09:29:02 PM
Worth a sub appearance last game or two if we're safe?

Recalling him and Wood, probably losing Cox..

Strike force of Berahino, Pete, Long, MAF, Wood ain't too shabby.

No. Not yet. I think he will 'make it' at WBA, as will George Thorne. Berahino could do with playing the remainder of the season at League 1, and looking to hopefully experience Championship football next season. (Hopefully with WBA staying in the Premier League). He's only 18. I'm sure the club has high hopes for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 20, 2012, 09:38:05 PM
Worth a sub appearance last game or two if we're safe?

Recalling him and Wood, probably losing Cox..

Strike force of Berahino, Pete, Long, MAF, Wood ain't too shabby.

Whilst I would agree with your point & I'd throw Scott Allan in as well, if, as you say we were safe but I dont think Roy will do that, as it might be thought of as taking a risk & thats not in his make up. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on February 20, 2012, 09:42:13 PM
To be fair, every point counts even when safe, finishing 11th instead of 13th is an extra however much money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tim on February 20, 2012, 09:43:03 PM
great balance fab goals how good  was that second goal
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: howard62baby on February 20, 2012, 09:46:26 PM
A stunning brace for saido stepping up to the plate gets mom award well done kidda
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 20, 2012, 10:08:39 PM
To be fair, every point counts even when safe, finishing 11th instead of 13th is an extra however much money.

Of course it is but if you get a chance to play these lads in a couple of games when the pressure is off & they step up, they could save us money for transfers for other back up players & allow us to strengthen in other areas.

As I've said in other posts, you'll never know how good these kids are/can be until you throw them in against Premier opposition.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 20, 2012, 10:14:13 PM
No. Not yet. I think he will 'make it' at WBA, as will George Thorne. Berahino could do with playing the remainder of the season at League 1, and looking to hopefully experience Championship football next season. (Hopefully with WBA staying in the Premier League). He's only 18. I'm sure the club has high hopes for him.

Fair point, if, lets say 3 seasons from now we're looking at having 2 or 3 lads who have come up through the ranks and we're still at Prem level, then that in it's self will have paid for the whole system. It's nice to think our kids actually have a fuuture. We've done very very little since the Chambers twins and Justin Richards
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on February 20, 2012, 10:23:47 PM
Typed his name into twitter. Seems everyone is talking about him - he is a real prospect. h has got a swagger about him and at only 18/19 you have to believe he has got a great chance of making it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: rajesh-wba on February 20, 2012, 11:30:21 PM
Fair point, if, lets say 3 seasons from now we're looking at having 2 or 3 lads who have come up through the ranks and we're still at Prem level, then that in it's self will have paid for the whole system. It's nice to think our kids actually have a fuuture. We've done very very little since the Chambers twins and Justin Richards

I agree. I strongly believe that Thorne and Berahino will become 'PL players'.  Berahino reminds me of Jermain Defoe. Looks a very exciting prospect.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 21, 2012, 12:06:02 AM
Does anyone have any links to his goals? All i found on youtube was him Vs Australia. Cheers
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on February 21, 2012, 09:52:17 AM
http://www.griffinpark.org/forums/showthread.php?t=97488&page=6

Brentford fans are impressed with him.

Have to say having seen the goals this morning they looked top notch.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DommyKeay19 on February 21, 2012, 10:04:47 AM
"Let's just enjoy him while we can..he will go to a bigger team than West Brom in the future."

Bold claim! There are bigger teams than Westbrom?  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on February 21, 2012, 02:17:45 PM
Cracking goals but i was also very impressed with his touch and eye for a pass.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on February 22, 2012, 10:52:04 PM
goals on skysports website now

2 great finishes, one shows power and the other shows skill and class
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on February 23, 2012, 12:23:11 AM
Just watched his two latest goals. VERY impressed. Got a feeling this guy could be a great asset to the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ben1983 on February 23, 2012, 12:31:11 AM
Why isnt he, Thorne and Dawson in the team now? Hodgson out  :D

SB reminds me of Defoe!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on February 23, 2012, 10:03:57 AM
Positive reviews for this lad.

Hope he keeps his feet on the ground.

If successful on this loan spell, id consider sending him to Pompey for a month for a few games.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on February 23, 2012, 04:16:09 PM
his goals were fantastic quite excited about this chap
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on February 23, 2012, 10:43:52 PM
The Brentford fans seem to have fallen in Love  :). I hope he can carry on from where he has started and not just settle into being a normal league 1 striker. The way they are talking he was a class above every other player on the pitch and if he can do that in his teenage years it all looks good for our future. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on February 24, 2012, 12:03:41 PM
I have asked this before, how near is he to getting into the first team squad?

He is without doubt a really promising prospect but unlike some other managers who are prepared to play such talented players in the Premiership at an early age I would imagine that RH will be too cautious and reluctant to take the risk. Of course next season RH may not be at the club so in that situation the opportunity for Berahino could change favourably for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on February 24, 2012, 03:24:17 PM
It is impossible to say Bangkok. Wood and Thorne are out on loan to championship clubs so logic says they will be above him in the pecking order but if he has a good summer he might end up on the bench and then it is all down to fat and who we bring in.

With his age, their is no real rush. He could go out on loan to a championship club next season and still be on course.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on February 24, 2012, 07:33:53 PM
It is impossible to say Bangkok. Wood and Thorne are out on loan to championship clubs so logic says they will be above him in the pecking order but if he has a good summer he might end up on the bench and then it is all down to fat and who we bring in.

With his age, their is no real rush. He could go out on loan to a championship club next season and still be on course.

Also, nobody grows in a steady line. We all have our ups and downs. I don't see the need to rush these kids into our full PL squad. Let them develop as humans and as players. They will get their chance soon enough and if they are mature mentally and ready football wise it will all go so much smoother for them. As long as the kids keep growing both club and kids will win out.

We don't need some 19/20 year old kids who think they own the world because they have mad their PL debut and had a bit of success only to stop growing and end up in some kind of celebrity life style living on reputation and fame while they miss out on reaching their full potential. The football world is full of these types of 'prodigies'.
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on February 24, 2012, 09:06:41 PM

We don't need some 19/20 year old kids who think they own the world because they have mad their PL debut and had a bit of success only to stop growing and end up in some kind of celebrity life style living on reputation and fame while they miss out on reaching their full potential. The football world is full of these types of 'prodigies'.
 

I must say, that's a very sensible and mature post. Well said.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 24, 2012, 11:45:39 PM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on February 25, 2012, 12:05:25 AM
^^^
I didn't know that, a very interesting story. It's awful that he had to suffer such terrible experiences in his home country, but on the positive side the fact that he has endured real hardship in his life should make him more grounded and determined to succeed than most young players who have the entire world given to them from a ridiculously young age because they're able to kick a ball better than most people. It's no surprise so many promising young players either fade into obscurity because they can't be bothered or turn out to be complete arrogant toe-rags who think they can too whatever they want (Jack Wilshere, Ravel Morrison etc).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on March 06, 2012, 09:06:13 PM
Scored again tonight against Exeter.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: reiss on March 06, 2012, 09:21:15 PM
scored again, two tonight
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 06, 2012, 09:47:46 PM
Berahino and Mantom scoring.

Fantastic night for both of them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on March 06, 2012, 09:59:12 PM
Berahino and Mantom scoring.

Fantastic night for both of them.
And for us as a club when without a regular lads we can still beat Man Ut reserves,not bad is it?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 06, 2012, 10:02:48 PM
And for us as a club when without a regular lads we can still beat Man Ut reserves,not bad is it?

Not at all. I watched the game tonight and it was the first time I'd seen a few of those lads and they were very good. Especially Roofe and Nabi.

Mantom, Berhino, Thorne, Allen, D Daniels, Roofe, Nabi & Wood all seem to have promising futures providing they put the effort it which can only be good news for us as a club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on March 20, 2012, 11:43:12 PM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on March 21, 2012, 01:55:03 PM
Sounds like Saido threw his toys out of the pram. Hopefully he takes this incident as an opportunity to mature a bit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DaveWBA on March 21, 2012, 01:58:42 PM
Young lad angry about being substituted after he had a poor game, nothing wrong with that. Least he's showing a bit of passion, could have been worse atleast he didn't headbutt the manager and punch the assistant.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 21, 2012, 02:07:24 PM
All part of the learning experience really. As long as he doesn't let it happen again he will be fine but I'm sure Albion and Brentford have made it clear he has to be more professional.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AidantheBaggies on March 21, 2012, 02:10:42 PM
All part of the learning experience really. As long as he doesn't let it happen again he will be fine but I'm sure Albion and Brentford have made it clear he has to be more professional.

Agree, we all make mistakes but the most important thing is that we learn from them and move on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 21, 2012, 04:16:41 PM
Not his first show of dissent from what I know about his time with us.  Needs to grow up a bit, not a question of passion but attitude on occassions.  His only young and hopefully will learn from his mistakes as his an excellent prospect.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on March 21, 2012, 05:10:59 PM
This is the problem with twitter. It allows players who are angry after a match to share their personal opinions in a public forum. 10 years ago players would have been similar to this but they didnt have a medium to tell everybody.

He does need to learn a lesson from this though else he will have problems in his career.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on March 21, 2012, 05:41:18 PM
Not condoning it, but all it is is a young lad getting a bit frustrated and posting a silly message on the internet. Players a lot older and more in the public eye than him who should know a lot better have done much worse things.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on March 21, 2012, 10:07:39 PM

Nothing wrong in anybody making a mistake our making a bad judgment call its all part of learning  :-[
as long as you do learn from it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on April 03, 2012, 12:24:55 PM
I see that Albion have recalled Saido Behrino from his youth spell at Brentford for 'personal reason'. I wonder what those reasons are!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on April 03, 2012, 12:32:11 PM
I see that Albion have recalled Saido Behrino from his youth spell at Brentford for 'personal reason'. I wonder what those reasons are!

They are personal......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on April 03, 2012, 03:16:48 PM
They are personal......

When has any football gossip ever been personal? :D :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on April 03, 2012, 04:16:48 PM
He mouthed off on twitter after being subbed at HT, so that might have something to do with it. I really hope the reasons aren't too serious as he's very young to be dealing with trauma.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on July 31, 2012, 09:17:06 PM
http://www.wba.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=288638

Long Tips Berahino For First Team Role
   
Shane Long has tipped youngster Saido Berahino to make an impact in the first team this season, after impressing Steve Clarke in our pre season games so far.

Speaking to the Birmingham Mail Long said of the Burundi born striker who turns 19 this Friday, that he has all the qualities necessary to be a real challenger for the first team this season.

'He's a great prospect, he's a good finisher, a natural goalscorer. He's working on other aspects of his game to bring him up to that level, Saido is definitely going to add to the competition for places.'

Clarke has shown he will involve the youngsters in pre season so it's down to them to take the chance now.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on July 31, 2012, 09:29:09 PM
Just scored a brace against Stockport tonight.

I think he has big potential. Did well out on loan and wingers tend to get a chance at a younger age.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on July 31, 2012, 09:39:50 PM
Just scored a brace against Stockport tonight.

I think he has big potential. Did well out on loan and wingers tend to get a chance at a younger age.
He's a striker mate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on July 31, 2012, 09:42:17 PM
He's a striker mate.

I know but I've seen him play on the wing before - that's where I expect him to get opportunities at first.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 31, 2012, 09:46:52 PM
I know but I've seen him play on the wing before - that's where I expect him to get opportunities at first.

This kind of thinking has all but ruined Theo Walcott. Play the lad up top in the cups and as a substitute or loan him out imo.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on July 31, 2012, 09:47:21 PM
I know but I've seen him play on the wing before - that's where I expect him to get opportunities at first.
Maybe your right but i cant see that myself,not sure he would be disciplined enough at the highest level to play wide.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on July 31, 2012, 09:52:26 PM
I kind of agree Jacko. Walcott and Sturride are two examples of players who have been forced out wide when really they are strikers. I just think initially, to get some experience, it wouldn't hurt to play him there for some games.

I think young pacey players get pushed out wide so they don't have to be as disciplined. It depends on what Clarke wants from his wide men.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dinkydave2003 on August 06, 2012, 11:53:46 AM
he's an out and out striker, seen him score literally hundreds  (no exaggeration) for Phoenix Utd
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies on August 09, 2012, 10:23:43 PM
It seems Clarke rates him highly. With the amount of forwards we have you would think he would struggle to get inot the team but im getting the impression we might actually see a bit of him this season in a 433 formation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 10, 2012, 11:12:02 AM
If we get Lukaku in and don't lose a senior striker before the season starts then we need to look at getting him a decent loan move so he's getting games. He needs to get regular playing time to develop as a player, having seen him on video at Walsall compared to other times I've seen him he looks like he's developed physically in recent months so it looks as though he's a good prospect for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 10, 2012, 11:27:06 AM
I've always felt that you need at least 1 extra player per position.

If we assume Cox and Wood are either sold or in the case of the latter, loaned out then we could line up like this:

RF: Odemwingie
CF: Lukaku
LF: Rosenberg

SC and Ashworth made a point of saying Rosenberg can play in various positions so i think we'll see him wider.

That means Long could be utilised out wide. Fortune as back up to Lukaku. Leaving Berahino as a back up to the other wide man.

But because all our striker naturally play through the middle. I would definitely loan Berahino out if SC plans to play every other striker in the squad before him if we suffer injuries or suspensions.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 08, 2013, 02:33:08 PM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 08, 2013, 02:35:00 PM
great potential , quick , tricky good build , this guy could be our best signing this season .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 08, 2013, 02:39:44 PM
I wouldn't think of sending him out on loan until he has had a sniff of the premier league. See what he can do first.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on August 08, 2013, 03:03:33 PM
Must have been a long, long time since one of our academy products was called up the under 21's, I wonder who was the last?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 08, 2013, 03:16:06 PM
I think it might have been Remi Moses. Others have made appearances since e.g. Dawson and Davies but they were not a product of our youth set up. It has been a long wait but I think the youth development programme is starting to bare fruit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on August 08, 2013, 03:21:39 PM
Congrats Saido, let's hope you get some time on the pitch.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 08, 2013, 03:42:44 PM
Shame Thorne got injured. if he hadn't I would have thought we'd have had 2 academy products in the u21 squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: coram_wba906 on August 08, 2013, 04:02:09 PM
Best of luck to him, he must be looking forward to his call up.
Holding on to our young talent is my worry. I was lifted by the appearance of Isaiah Brown last season, and then look what happened.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 08, 2013, 04:05:52 PM
Best of luck to him, he must be looking forward to his call up.
Holding on to our young talent is my worry. I was lifted by the appearance of Isaiah Brown last season, and then look what happened.
Difference is I don't think Saido's batch really apply, as many have professional contracts. With them we get what we want for them, without going to tribunal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on August 08, 2013, 04:10:10 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but i think Saido is already on a senior pro contract?
I do rate him and have for a while but I'm not convinced he is ready for the top flight just yet , such a shame his loan at Peterborough was cut short by injury.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 08, 2013, 04:25:06 PM
I have a sneaky feeling that at some point next season this shall become the official Saido Berahino thread..

Congratulations to him - and let's hope he continues to improve.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2013, 04:31:15 PM
I have a sneaky feeling that at some point next season this shall become the official Saido Berahino thread..

Congratulations to him - and let's hope he continues to improve.

Quicker than you think  :o

Been impressed with Saido both this pre-season and last plus the reserve games i've seen him in. Will cause defenders problems towards the end of a game if we stick him on the bench this season although a loan until Christmas may be better to help with fitness after his injury last season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 08, 2013, 04:34:28 PM
You've seen him more than me, Phil, what's he like? Do you reckon he'll be around the first team this year? More importantly, is he good enough for that stage yet or does his development need to be continued elsewhere?

Sorry for the barrage of questions  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2013, 04:39:19 PM
He's quick, nippy, not scared to take someone on, not scared to have a shot, bit raw at times I guess. Is he good enough ? time will tell to be honest, I would send him out until Christmas to get him fit but no lower than Championship and only to a club that will play him regular otherwise keep him and stick him on the bench to bring on against tiring defenders.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 08, 2013, 06:10:50 PM
Well done Saido, suffered a frustrating injury last season when he was showing real potential, I would give him a few cameo performances in the cup and last ten minutes of games. If he needs it, then send him to a Championship club for 'finishing', hope he makes the grade for us, we are over due some talent coming through.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on August 08, 2013, 09:29:07 PM
If we don't sign anyone then Berahino could be important off the bench with no Lukaku or Pete to offer impact off the bench.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WSBaggie on August 09, 2013, 12:55:41 AM
If the coaching staff rate him lets hope he gets a decent chance. He could be like an extra signing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 09, 2013, 12:17:32 PM
He needs to go out to a Championship club to play week-in, week-out until at least the Jan window to give everyone a proper idea of what he's capable of.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 09, 2013, 04:11:20 PM
He needs to go out to a Championship club to play week-in, week-out until at least the Jan window to give everyone a proper idea of what he's capable of.
why would/should the coaching staff care what we think? they'll loan him for his benefit not ours.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on August 09, 2013, 04:28:59 PM
Did i hear Arsenal were sniffing?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 09, 2013, 04:49:55 PM
Did i hear Arsenal were sniffing?

Means nothing, he's under contract and not subject to pathetic Academy rules
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 10, 2013, 10:04:35 AM
why would/should the coaching staff care what we think? they'll loan him for his benefit not ours.
I didn't say they wouldn't.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on August 28, 2013, 12:13:42 AM
What a player! Looked really good tonight! Reminded me of odemwingie, albeit at a lower level but you can only play against those in front of you. Could he be the right winger we are looking for? The team looked so balanced tonight with him and sinclair on the wings. However I very much doubt Clarke will have the balls to start him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on August 28, 2013, 07:56:54 AM
Impressive. He's obviously very two footed as his cracking 2nd goal was with his left and he took the penalty with his right. I remember seeing him score a similar cracker for Brentford with his right also.

Think age should be forgotten. Judged just on performance, and I know it was against Newport, but he would be the 1st striker picked for Saturday.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on August 28, 2013, 08:01:59 AM
I know he's come by a different route, but I still remember becoming aware of one "C. Regis" making his first impression in a league cup early round game, 2 goals against Rotherham, one a pen- and he'd apparently never taken one before so he just belted it.

Here's hoping...!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mank baggie on August 28, 2013, 08:05:28 AM
just enough time left in the transfer window for some team to come and whisk him away for next to nothing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on August 28, 2013, 08:13:03 AM
His link up play with jones was excellent. He was our best forward player, easily better than Rosenberg and vydra. Saido has a bright future that's for sure.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on August 28, 2013, 08:16:30 AM
Didn't go last night but saw the goals this morning on SSN and his second was a beauty with his 'weaker' foot.
 
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on August 28, 2013, 08:25:09 AM
Berahino showed me more in 31 minutes(granted it was newport) then rosenberg has in the whole time he has been here. Give the kid a chance!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 28, 2013, 08:53:50 AM
I was impressed last night not only with his goals but his overall contribution. Yes it was only Newport but that didn't stop other more senior players looking poor at times the kid looked confident in everything he did and I don't think he would be phased by a bigger stage.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on August 28, 2013, 09:00:26 AM
Superb performance from Saido last night. He really impressed me in pre season and didn't disappoint last night either. As others have said it wasn't just his finishing but his around play that surprised me. His link up play, movement off the ball and probably most surprisingly, how well he could back into bigger defenders and shield the ball. For me, especially with Vydra out, I'd be tempted to stick with 433 and play Berahino and Sinclair either side of Long on Sunday. He's done himself no harm, we are a bit short of options and his confidence is sky high.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pete on August 28, 2013, 09:38:26 AM
Agree with what has been said by all but what has really impressed me by this kid is

HES HUNGRY, willing to improve and learn DAILY!

He seems to love the game and just be playing rather than wanting to just sit and collect cash! Saido will make it at our club I have a feeling in my water! ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 54hines on August 28, 2013, 09:48:07 AM
Watched the game last night, this guy was head and shoulders above anybody else, not just scoring a hat trick,(which can sometimes flatter a players overall performance ) but his lay offs and involvement in the game. Ok it was against inferior opposition but other players in our team were playing inferior opposition and they did not exactly stand out. Not getting carried away but I think this guy is worthy of giving him another run out in the first team and could help solve a few problems. How ironic having been linked with some big names if the surprise of the season comes from a player we already have.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on August 28, 2013, 09:55:21 AM
I thought he was terrific last night.
On the down side our chairman may view the lads performance as the perfect excuse not to dip into the transfer market for a more experienced alternative.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 28, 2013, 09:59:08 AM
just enough time left in the transfer window for some team to come and whisk him away for next to nothing.

He's on a pro contract with us so his value has just gone up after last nights performance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 28, 2013, 10:03:45 AM
I'm not one to get carried away by young players impressing in one cup game against poor opposition. However I've seen the lad a couple of times now in pre-season/cup games and he does look like he has the attributed to become a very handy player.

The first goal last night looked a decent team goal but he made a fantastic run and it was a good finish, his second goal was a special finish on what I assume is his weaker foot and he showed great composure for his penalty to secure a hat-trick. Signs are promising but he has only come up against relatively poor opponents so far, will be interesting to see how he gets on against better quality players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on August 28, 2013, 10:09:22 AM
I thought he was terrific last night.
On the down side our chairman may view the lads performance as the perfect excuse not to dip into the transfer market for a more experienced alternative.


Thats exactly what worries me
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 28, 2013, 11:03:54 AM
I really hope we see a lot more of him this season, I wouldn't play him every game but I would be happy to see him start in the Premiership as there is a lot of potential there and hopefully this will spur on the likes of Rosenberg even more as he knows Berahino is staking his claim to start. I'm really looking forward to seeing his goals tonight.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 28, 2013, 11:31:24 AM
Hopefully the more we see of him the more that people will get his name right including Albion fans singing his name. Its Berahino not Brinho, Berinho but BERAHINO  :D

He's earned a regular place on the bench for a while at least, there may come a time where he needs to be taken out of the action for a couple of weeks as some youngsters do but regular action from the bench will break him in gently without putting too much pressure on him.

Hopefully Southgate will give him his U21 debut in the next game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on August 28, 2013, 09:23:36 PM
I thought he was terrific last night.
On the down side our chairman may view the lads performance as the perfect excuse not to dip into the transfer market for a more experienced alternative.
Guess there's 2 ways of looking at it. If he is viewed as ready, then why sign someone else and freeze Saido out ? I agree that as a young player he will probably need to be taken out of the firing line at some stage during a season but he's looking good so give him full chance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 28, 2013, 09:27:11 PM
Guess there's 2 ways of looking at it. If he is viewed as ready, then why sign someone else and freeze Saido out ? I agree that as a young player he will probably need to be taken out of the firing line at some stage during a season but he's looking good so give him full chance.
If Saido's deemed ready then we have 5 strikers on the books. With the cry for a winger do we need another? especially if we play a 4-5-1 with a lone striker?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MHB WBA on August 28, 2013, 10:20:04 PM
Should start against swansea
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on August 29, 2013, 01:24:34 AM
Should start against swansea

Agreed, give him a chance Clarke. Berahino, Sinclair and Anelka up top.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on August 29, 2013, 06:16:19 AM
I reckon he'll bring him on for Long in the 82nd minute, unless we're a goal up, in which case Berahino will stay on the bench.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mannimc on August 29, 2013, 12:00:16 PM
It will be Long and Anelka, Berahino will come on for 10 mins at the end
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on August 29, 2013, 12:03:55 PM
If Saido's deemed ready then we have 5 strikers on the books. With the cry for a winger do we need another? especially if we play a 4-5-1 with a lone striker?

Use the term loosely. Do you really think the strikers we have are capable of scoring the goals to fire us into another top half finish? I personally don't. We may have just enough to survive but nothing more IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mannimc on August 29, 2013, 12:10:02 PM
I dont think we have enough goals to survive

I think were looking at roughly

Long 10
Anelka 8
Saido ?
Rosenburg 1-2
Vydra 8?
Morrison 5
Malumbu 3
Yacob 1
Sinclair 6?
Brunt 2
Dorrans 1 or 2

Theres not a lot of goals at all
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WSBaggie on August 29, 2013, 12:41:40 PM
I dont think we have enough goals to survive

I think were looking at roughly

Long 10
Anelka 8
Saido ?
Rosenburg 1-2
Vydra 8?
Morrison 5
Malumbu 3
Yacob 1
Sinclair 6?
Brunt 2
Dorrans 1 or 2

Theres not a lot of goals at all

Thats close to 50 goals, very generous in my opinion. Nobody thought Lukaku was going to get 17 last year so it would be nice for somebody else this season to surprise us. Long, Anelka maybe even Rosenberg or Vydra. not saying these are going to get 17 but hitting double figures would surprise me.

You haven't included any goals from our defenders who do pop up with a few as we are quite dangerous from set pieces. That could balance out the generous amount of goals you have handed Vydra or Sinclair maybe.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 29, 2013, 01:58:28 PM
I dont think we have enough goals to survive

I think were looking at roughly

Long 10
Anelka 8
Saido ?
Rosenburg 1-2
Vydra 8?
Morrison 5
Malumbu 3
Yacob 1
Sinclair 6?
Brunt 2
Dorrans 1 or 2

Theres not a lot of goals at all

Anelka should comfotably be top scorer (as the squad stands), not sure what you're basing goals from Rosenberg and Yacob on though mate  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 29, 2013, 03:04:18 PM
I dont think we have enough goals to survive

I think were looking at roughly

Long 10
Anelka 8
Saido?
Rosenburg 1-2
Vydra 8?
Morrison 5
Malumbu 3
Yacob 1
Sinclair 6?
Brunt 2
Dorrans 1 or 2

Theres not a lot of goals at all
lukaku 21
kalou 16
moses 6
anelka 9
Sinclair 6
berahino 2
vydra 7
mulumbu 3
Olsson 3
gmac 5
jones 2
mozza 5
gera 1

96     championees :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 29, 2013, 04:02:10 PM
I dont think we have enough goals to survive

I think were looking at roughly

Long 10
Anelka 8
Saido ?
Rosenburg 1-2
Vydra 8?
Morrison 5
Malumbu 3
Yacob 1
Sinclair 6?
Brunt 2
Dorrans 1 or 2

Theres not a lot of goals at all
that's 47 goals. Around what we got last year? plus it's only 3 short of the target Clarke's set. I'd be happy with that  :)

Add the couple McAuley can get from corners, Jones will probably get 1-2 too, and Saido and we can actually beat the 50 goal target!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on August 29, 2013, 07:47:23 PM
lukaku 21
kalou 16
moses 6
anelka 9
Sinclair 6
berahino 2
vydra 7
mulumbu 3
Olsson 3
gmac 5
jones 2
mozza 5
gera 1

96     championees :D

You left out Foster's penalty hat-trick! Silly man  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on August 30, 2013, 01:07:51 AM
Hope he at least gets some minutes on the pitch against Swansea. His confidence will be sky high,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 05, 2013, 07:22:51 PM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on September 05, 2013, 08:00:38 PM
Scored 13 minutes into his under 21 debut.

Shame he'll have been pushed down the order by the signings, really deserves a chance for us. Makes a mockery of our academy if even starting under 21's never get a chance, no wonder the likes of Brown leave us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on September 05, 2013, 08:05:11 PM
Made a quality finish in his debut,great to see him score.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 05, 2013, 08:22:24 PM
Scored 13 minutes into his under 21 debut.

Shame he'll have been pushed down the order by the signings, really deserves a chance for us. Makes a mockery of our academy if even starting under 21's never get a chance, no wonder the likes of Brown leave us.
Some said not to breathe too much into the Newport game because the level was much lower than what you would expect. Same here, Saido could play the full Moldovan internationals and come out on top. In reality he's not going to displace those around him (all of whom are full international players bar Anelka and Anichebe who have both served in the past) easily but if he impresses consistently then he'll get his chance.

P.S. I believe Brown is a Chelsea fan (and have just as bad if not worse habit of not using their academy) so he was going as soon as.

P.P.S I'm liking this Moldovan goalkeeper, hope the scouts keep tabs on him. :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tucka9 on September 05, 2013, 08:39:05 PM
movement, close control, always looking to get shots off don't depend on the opposition though. Owen just said what I've been thinking all summer that he reminds me of Defoe.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pattayabaggie on September 05, 2013, 08:41:29 PM
Scored 13 minutes into his under 21 debut.

Shame he'll have been pushed down the order by the signings, really deserves a chance for us. Makes a mockery of our academy if even starting under 21's never get a chance, no wonder the likes of Brown leave us.
Its only Moldova U21 lets not get carried away I think he'll be much better if he goes and spends the year in the championship personally its got to be better than sitting on the bench getting 10 minutes here and there
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 05, 2013, 09:42:13 PM
He just looks good - sharpness, skill, can engineer something out of nothing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on September 06, 2013, 09:07:57 AM
he oozes class and has a great first touch, last weeks game was begging for him to come on for an under par shane long
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Smooth Lad on September 06, 2013, 09:11:18 AM
I really do feel positive about Saido, like we have a really good player on our hands. Providing we keep him, time to put the leg work in and not let the likes of Chelski and Scousepool nick him for 2million net summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on September 06, 2013, 10:18:23 AM
I really do feel positive about Saido, like we have a really good player on our hands. Providing we keep him, time to put the leg work in and not let the likes of Chelski and Scousepool nick him for 2million net summer.

Not that money won't count for him, but reading about his past issues and how we as a club have looked after him & his family will count for a lot when the time comes for him to sign a new contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WSBaggie on September 06, 2013, 10:18:47 AM
Scored 13 minutes into his under 21 debut.

Shame he'll have been pushed down the order by the signings, really deserves a chance for us. Makes a mockery of our academy if even starting under 21's never get a chance, no wonder the likes of Brown leave us.

Brown left us whilst sitting on the bench at the age of 16
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 06, 2013, 10:39:33 AM
In terms of development I wouldn't send him out on loan to the Championship for the whole season he is going to learn everything he is going to learn at that level in three months the rest is just repetition and more game time. I would loan him out to the end of the year.

In January whichever striker Clarke has completely ignored (there is almost certainly will be at least one) I would ship out and bring Berahino back into the squad. The one thing we need to be absolutely clear about is the only way this club will progress is by developing its own young players and when we do have a player of potential we need to give him the opportunity to thrive here.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 06, 2013, 01:36:06 PM
Brown left us whilst sitting on the bench at the age of 16

Berahino is on a professional contract, whereas Brown was on an academy one. He probably got game-time to try to convince him to stay with us when we heard Chelsea were sniffing around.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 06, 2013, 04:42:43 PM
movement, close control, always looking to get shots off don't depend on the opposition though. Owen just said what I've been thinking all summer that he reminds me of Defoe.

Ive been saying the same thing for 2 years about the lad since I first saw him properly

Very much like defoe
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: saml30 on September 06, 2013, 06:31:24 PM
Ive been saying the same thing for 2 years about the lad since I first saw him properly

Very much like defoe


Something I have always said so I will second(or third) that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on September 06, 2013, 07:14:16 PM

In terms of development I wouldn't send him out on loan to the Championship for the whole season he is going to learn everything he is going to learn at that level in three months the rest is just repetition and more game time. I would loan him out to the end of the year.

In January whichever striker Clarke has completely ignored (there is almost certainly will be at least one) I would ship out and bring Berahino back into the squad. The one thing we need to be absolutely clear about is the only way this club will progress is by developing its own young players and when we do have a player of potential we need to give him the opportunity to thrive here.

That's bang on. And it's a structural weakness of the coach/director of football split. The guy who picks the team has a short term horizon. He cares about the next game, maybe next month, but almost certainly not next season. That longer term look is the sporting director's job. The coach is measured on the immediate term only.

So he never picks the developing player, because he has no interest in trading off the present against the future. He only weighs one side of the balance.

Whereas the guy paid to have an eye on the future (sporting director) doesn't pick the team.

Seems to me, anyway.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 06, 2013, 09:08:47 PM
The way he is performing, it would be criminal not to give him some game time. This kid is a great talent. The way he can turn a defender and finish in the blink of an eye tells me that we have some serious raw talent that we shouldn't be afraid to unleash in the last 20 minutes of a game. He's one of those match winner type players that will score for fun when confident.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 06, 2013, 09:17:53 PM
That's bang on. And it's a structural weakness of the coach/director of football split. The guy who picks the team has a short term horizon. He cares about the next game, maybe next month, but almost certainly not next season. That longer term look is the sporting director's job. The coach is measured on the immediate term only.

So he never picks the developing player, because he has no interest in trading off the present against the future. He only weighs one side of the balance.

Whereas the guy paid to have an eye on the future (sporting director) doesn't pick the team.

Seems to me, anyway.
But then why does it work so well in Europe? places like Germany, The Netherlands and Belgium where the system is common?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on September 07, 2013, 09:50:32 AM

But then why does it work so well in Europe? places like Germany, The Netherlands and Belgium where the system is common?

I don't mean that it's a fatal flaw, just a weakness.

I suspect that long termism and youth development are bigger in the whole football culture of those countries and therefore of the coach's instincts, and the kind of behavior which seems appropriate, even if it may not be totally in his direct, immediate, next game interest.

Another aspect is the million pound a place premier league money which means younger squad players don't get the chance the last few games of the season the way they used to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andzy on September 07, 2013, 09:58:57 AM
But then why does it work so well in Europe? places like Germany, The Netherlands and Belgium where the system is common?

I think it works so well in Europe because there's not the money there is in the English leagues so finishing 8th in france doesn't mean as much revenue to finishing 8th in the EPL.

But with a system of a coach/ DoF maybe the DoF should be telling the manager there's no need to be buying a player for a certain position as there's a suitable player in the academy just my thoughts though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on September 09, 2013, 06:28:46 PM
Scored again for the under 21's, equaliser away to Finland.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andzy on September 09, 2013, 07:38:44 PM
Another good display from him tonight think he needs a bit of game time see what he can do in the first team
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 09, 2013, 09:04:45 PM
But then why does it work so well in Europe? places like Germany, The Netherlands and Belgium where the system is common?
I don't know the facts but maybe they keep heir managers longer so less of a risk ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lordbaggie on September 10, 2013, 01:03:45 AM
Wake up Baggies!

This is our best forward prospect since the late 70's.

Did we send Cunningham and Regis into a lower division to " gain experience"?

No we effing didn't!

Berahino seems to be most people's no 1 "get rid" option (albeit on loan)

For me he's our no1 retain option.

Keep him and Anelka and probably Sess and any rejects come out of the rest (prob Long and Rosie no matter how harsh)

We don't want him scoring 25 in the champ - we want 10-15 in the Prem - for us!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on September 10, 2013, 07:30:44 AM
I'd consider a loan til Xmas. He's not going to get much game time with us so keep up his development. After his 2 England performances clubs will be fighting over him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on September 10, 2013, 07:52:06 AM
This just highlights what was said last week from the FA. To many foreigners and not enough english getting  games with their clubs.He should be given a run of games starting from Saturday
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on September 10, 2013, 09:03:17 AM
For me, he needs minutes on the pitch in a West Brom shirt. His touch has looked good and he's scored 5 goals this season, west brom are struggling for goals. Long looks out of sorts, the berg cant score and vydra could still be injured. Inspite of all of that i'd still like to see him start anyway, or at least be coming off the bench ahead of long and the berg
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 10, 2013, 09:11:51 AM
Berahino does demonstrate the problem faced by young players in this country. The equivalent German, Dutch, French or Spanish player would be very much part of the first team plans if they were playing for a mid table team in those countries. Here there is a debate as to whether or not to send him out on loan to a 2nd tier club because there are 5 strikers ahead of him 3 of whom were bought in this window the continental clubs could not afford that luxury in fees or wages.

I think there is a completely different mind set abroad outside the really big clubs were coaches expect to blood youngsters as part of their job whereas here  coaches expect to have 2 or 3 senior players to choose from in every position and only use young players if they have a crisis or the youngster is exceptionally talented.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on September 10, 2013, 09:14:18 AM
Wake up Baggies!

This is our best forward prospect since the late 70's.

Did we send Cunningham and Regis into a lower division to " gain experience"?

No we effing didn't!

Berahino seems to be most people's no 1 "get rid" option (albeit on loan)

For me he's our no1 retain option.

Keep him and Anelka and probably Sess and any rejects come out of the rest (prob Long and Rosie no matter how harsh)

We don't want him scoring 25 in the champ - we want 10-15 in the Prem - for us!

Big difference here is that Cunningham and Regis came to us have gained experience in the lower leagues. Cunningham in particular had a great spell at Orient so we had no need to loan him out. Regis played much non league football
Berahino needs game experience and time at a championship club will aid his development
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on September 10, 2013, 09:54:17 AM
Berahino just has to play in the next two matches!

My team would be:

Any keeper.

Jones.
McAuley.
Olsson.
Popov.

Sessignon.
Mulumbu.
Morrison.

Berahino.
Anichebe.
Sinclair.

Drastic I know....but we desperately need goals before confidence becomes a major problem. Anichebe could just provide the link-up we need to bring people like Saido, Mozzer and Sess into goal scoring opportunities.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on September 10, 2013, 10:12:09 AM
I would love to see him given a chance - 1) because he is bang in form and deserves a chance and 2) its a great incentive for the academy players to show there is a path to the first team.

As somebody else said, we need goals and he scores goals, to be fair to our strikers we have created very little first 3 league games but Saido looks like he can create something from nothing, personally i would like him even if not handed a start, on the bench and not given 5-10 minutes, give him a good half hour. I would like him to spend a bit of time with the first team, get him some game time and call it from there, if he shows he can play this level regular then he stays in the team and doesnt become the fallguy, or if he isnt quite ready, loan him out to the championship til xmas.

Saido also will lift the fans like probably no other player in our squad, he is one of ours and than in itself gives him a massive boost with the supporters.

However.......

Although dont really want him to, I do feel he will be loaned out.

The strikers we have now Vdrya, Anelka, Anichebe you would think at least 2 will play each game with the other been on the bench, and then you have Long and Rosenberg who probably one of those will be on the bench too (although i think it will be Long and Rosenberg will be loaned out) I just think Saido will be seen as the easy one to loan out which does have some logic but personally would love to see him get a chance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on September 10, 2013, 10:27:48 AM
It would be crazy to send him on loan at the moment.  We have one of the best strikers of premiership history at the club for who knows how long and this kid can learn a hell of lot training daily with him.  Hopefully he can learn by getting minutes on the pitch as well.  He is our only striker to have scored this season so by rights he should be given a chance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on September 10, 2013, 10:51:41 AM
I have long thought that he would be the most promising youngster coming from the academy and I will be very disappointed if the club send him out on loan again. As others have said he is bang on form and eager so why not give him an opportunity, at least from the bench.

Sadly I think the mindset of SC and the club will be to loan him out again. Why not take a chance for a change, other clubs have with their own promising youngsters coming through before they reach 21.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 10, 2013, 10:55:31 AM
Big difference here is that Cunningham and Regis came to us have gained experience in the lower leagues. Cunningham in particular had a great spell at Orient so we had no need to loan him out. Regis played much non league football
Berahino needs game experience and time at a championship club will aid his development

This just makes me laugh because it demonstrates how much the game has changed in the intervening years. We went into the season with Regis as second choice Centre Forward a player with no league experience whatsoever I don't know who the third choice was probably some callow faced 17 year old. Had we tried to do that this season the board would have gone into meltdown. If we signed Cunningham today I would guess that half our fans would be condemning him as a "Championship Player" who is unproven at this level almost regardless of how many games he had played at that level. 

It was a different world but young players got a chance because clubs were not carrying the bloated squads they do today, during the same season Albion used the grand total of 17 players throughout a season which saw us play over 50 games in league and cup a number which we have already exceeded this season to get through 3 fixtures. If Clarke is ever down to 17 Senior Pro's he will be saying that he is down to the bare bones and fretting about reinforcements during the January window. Actually the answer is play the kids because they will rise to the challenge and probably be as effective than some Senior Pro who has the hump because he is not playing in his favourite position.

Our attitude to young players as a club has to change if we are to progress.
   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bob on September 10, 2013, 11:26:45 AM
I think the fans attitudes have to change before the clubs can.

If we were to play Berahino for a couple of games and he didn't score, then Clarke and the club would be getting untold amounts of stick.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on September 10, 2013, 11:57:54 AM
I said earlier in the thread, loan him out till Christmas. That was because realistically I don't believe there's much chance he'll get game time till the new year, depending on injuries and poor form by the more senior players.

I do think on current form he's our number three striker at the moment though, behind Anelka and Anichebe. If I were picking the team, I'd use Saido ahead of the other three. I don't think that's likely though, so he might as well be loaned as playing in the reserves.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 10, 2013, 12:49:37 PM
He just needs to play. One way or the other. If SC is going to use him (and not just as a 10 min sub), then great. But I think SC can only use him by totally dropping Berg and possibly Long also, which i'm not sure he will do.

If that's the case, i'd loan him to the Champ until Christmas, sell Berg, Long and probably Dorrans/Brunt and bring back Saido along with one more incoming player.

Peace will have his 22 man squad and we'll actually have come attacking power in the team!

The important part here is to not be bottom 3 by christmas, as getting in players may be an issue if we are. (along those lines, I think we'll be fine. I'd be amazed if we don't finish 15th at worst)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tylerm on September 10, 2013, 01:07:39 PM
This just makes me laugh because it demonstrates how much the game has changed in the intervening years. We went into the season with Regis as second choice Centre Forward a player with no league experience whatsoever I don't know who the third choice was probably some callow faced 17 year old. Had we tried to do that this season the board would have gone into meltdown. If we signed Cunningham today I would guess that half our fans would be condemning him as a "Championship Player" who is unproven at this level almost regardless of how many games he had played at that level. 

It was a different world but young players got a chance because clubs were not carrying the bloated squads they do today, during the same season Albion used the grand total of 17 players throughout a season which saw us play over 50 games in league and cup a number which we have already exceeded this season to get through 3 fixtures. If Clarke is ever down to 17 Senior Pro's he will be saying that he is down to the bare bones and fretting about reinforcements during the January window. Actually the answer is play the kids because they will rise to the challenge and probably be as effective than some Senior Pro who has the hump because he is not playing in his favourite position.

Our attitude to young players as a club has to change if we are to progress.
 

Standaman I agree with you, it is a different game today. The point I am trying to make is that Anelka, Anchobie, Long and Vydra will be ahead of Berahino for the next 12 months if only because of the money we have paid for them (Rosenberg is a different story)
Training and sitting on the bench wont make him a better player-only playing games will. Dawson has done well out of a loan to Bolton and I still think that a 3 month minimum loan to a top end championship club will benefit all parties. Throwing him into a struggling first team wont help him.
Clarke wont play him after recruiting forwards the way he has this summer
When you say 'this makes me laugh' I presume you mean the way the game is in this era and in that respect I agree that the modern players are far too pampered and the poor dears cant play 30 games in a season let alone 50 !!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bob on September 10, 2013, 02:51:01 PM
Agree. A loan to the Championship with a recall option after 30 days would suit all parties i think.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 10, 2013, 04:52:37 PM
Standaman I agree with you, it is a different game today. The point I am trying to make is that Anelka, Anchobie, Long and Vydra will be ahead of Berahino for the next 12 months if only because of the money we have paid for them (Rosenberg is a different story)
Training and sitting on the bench wont make him a better player-only playing games will. Dawson has done well out of a loan to Bolton and I still think that a 3 month minimum loan to a top end championship club will benefit all parties. Throwing him into a struggling first team wont help him.
Clarke wont play him after recruiting forwards the way he has this summer
When you say 'this makes me laugh' I presume you mean the way the game is in this era and in that respect I agree that the modern players are far too pampered and the poor dears cant play 30 games in a season let alone 50 !!!!

Ultimately playing is obviously better for Berahino than not and logically a spell with a decent championship side is the most likely outcome. I find the comparison between era's laughable on two counts firstly the modern footballer is overly cosseted and secondly the approach to youth development where players are loaned out to a lower level until they are deemed ready for first team action does not seem to be delivering noticeably better young players.

If Regis was recruited today we would farm him out for a season in the Championship to see if made the grade bring him back as fourth choice striker and possibly give him the occasional twenty minute appearance as a sub. Back in the late seventies the raw Regis was given a chance and he was tearing up defences for two seasons before his 21st century equivalent would be granted a place on the bench.

I think it is a pity that he will be loaned out instead of being pushed into the first team squad. I would rectify this in January providing injuries permit by moving on the surplus strikers and bringing Berahino back into the fold.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 10, 2013, 04:57:43 PM
With the new signings then he is down the pecking order and I would rather in play in the Championship gain some more experience and hopefully get a few goals, then not at all, however training with someone like Anelka who has been a quality striker for a long time then Berahino would learn a lot from him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboyfred on September 10, 2013, 05:16:41 PM
the kid should play , i have been following him for last 4 years, he is developing well , what does he have to do , he is the only player in the 1st team squad at the club who has scored a goal in proper matches this season including 2 international goals.
sometimes you have to take a chance and at the moment his confidence must be sky high and thats half the battle , put it this way he can't do any worse than the rest of the strikers in the  squad have done so far, and ok if it does not work straight off for him at least we won't be wondering  about him . then put him out on loan in january for rest of season and get him ready for another tilt next season, but i think he will surprise us all
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 10, 2013, 05:30:12 PM
the kid should play , i have been following him for last 4 years, he is developing well , what does he have to do , he is the only player in the 1st team squad at the club who has scored a goal in proper matches this season including 2 international goals.
sometimes you have to take a chance and at the moment his confidence must be sky high and thats half the battle , put it this way he can't do any worse than the rest of the strikers in the  squad have done so far, and ok if it does not work straight off for him at least we won't be wondering  about him . then put him out on loan in january for rest of season and get him ready for another tilt next season, but i think he will surprise us all

You can get arrested for that you know  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on September 10, 2013, 05:38:10 PM
As a friend of mine pointed out, also worth noting he is 20 now, not some 17 or 18 year wet behind the ears.

I think sometimes we dont give players a chance because of how young they are deemed to be, and they get labelled a bright kid, etc, its quite patronising as Saido is now 20, will of been a professional footballer for 3 x years so he has earnt his corn and deserves his chance, i think to give an insight he is 3 months younger than Lukaku! (I know Lukaku is special but its just to show that young players can be good players!)

He cant be the kid with potential forever, he has to be given the platform to develop that potential.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on September 10, 2013, 05:58:43 PM
I would love to see him given a chance - 1) because he is bang in form and deserves a chance and 2) its a great incentive for the academy players to show there is a path to the first team.

As somebody else said, we need goals and he scores goals, to be fair to our strikers we have created very little first 3 league games but Saido looks like he can create something from nothing, personally i would like him even if not handed a start, on the bench and not given 5-10 minutes, give him a good half hour. I would like him to spend a bit of time with the first team, get him some game time and call it from there, if he shows he can play this level regular then he stays in the team and doesnt become the fallguy, or if he isnt quite ready, loan him out to the championship til xmas.

Saido also will lift the fans like probably no other player in our squad, he is one of ours and than in itself gives him a massive boost with the supporters.

However.......

Although dont really want him to, I do feel he will be loaned out.

The strikers we have now Vdrya, Anelka, Anichebe you would think at least 2 will play each game with the other been on the bench, and then you have Long and Rosenberg who probably one of those will be on the bench too (although i think it will be Long and Rosenberg will be loaned out) I just think Saido will be seen as the easy one to loan out which does have some logic but personally would love to see him get a chance.

how can he be behind vdrya in the pecking order, they are approximately the same age and both scored in the lower reaches of the English game if there was a choice of who gets game time in the premiership it must be certain that the player who is sign and registered to us must be given that priority to develop
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on September 10, 2013, 06:45:03 PM
how can he be behind vdrya in the pecking order, they are approximately the same age and both scored in the lower reaches of the English game if there was a choice of who gets game time in the premiership it must be certain that the player who is sign and registered to us must be given that priority to develop

Bang on. The young man is doing more than showing promise, he is delivering.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2013, 06:47:18 PM
Yes we need to end any thought that a home produced youngster has to be behind players who have cost us money to bring in. Pick on form and what's being produced and nothing else.
Anyway Saido shouldn't be loaned out while we are still in the Capital One. He should start again in the next round against Arsenal.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 10, 2013, 07:41:30 PM
Yes we need to end any thought that a home produced youngster has to be behind players who have cost us money to bring in. Pick on form and what's being produced and nothing else.
Anyway Saido shouldn't be loaned out while we are still in the Capital One. He should start again in the next round against Arsenal.
That there is probably the best option.
SC will be aware that he is under a certain amount of pressure , most coaches then go for the "safe" option , not an untried (at prem level) player.
Play him In the cup match and if he shines , throw him on in the next maybe?
I think Clarke will look to experienced heads to get him out of trouble?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on September 10, 2013, 08:45:49 PM
I think Clarke will look to experienced heads to get him out of trouble?

He may as well, it's their abject performances that have got us where we are.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lordbaggie on September 11, 2013, 11:01:14 AM
Standaman I agree with you, it is a different game today. The point I am trying to make is that Anelka, Anchobie, Long and Vydra will be ahead of Berahino for the next 12 months if only because of the money we have paid for them (Rosenberg is a different story)
Training and sitting on the bench wont make him a better player-only playing games will. Dawson has done well out of a loan to Bolton and I still think that a 3 month minimum loan to a top end championship club will benefit all parties. Throwing him into a struggling first team wont help him.
Clarke wont play him after recruiting forwards the way he has this summer
When you say 'this makes me laugh' I presume you mean the way the game is in this era and in that respect I agree that the modern players are far too pampered and the poor dears cant play 30 games in a season let alone 50 !!!!

Yeah - he was sensational for Bolton. He's come back and is now 4th choice ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on September 11, 2013, 11:37:49 AM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 12, 2013, 10:27:50 AM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 12, 2013, 11:04:50 AM
Fair point from Clarke it is easy to forget that he has only just come back from a fairly serious knee injury and whether he is up to two games a week which is what playing Championship often means is debatable.  Although it falls on Clarke's shoulders to make sure he gets some meaningful football over the coming months. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tjmill on September 12, 2013, 12:27:37 PM
This kid looks the business. For the U21 side looked calm and lethal in front of goal and not someone we have had in our team at that young age for some time.
Hes the future of the club and I hope he gets game time rather than the likes of Amichibe and Vydra,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on September 12, 2013, 12:40:11 PM
It will be disappointing if he is sent out on loan again. What kind of message will that send out to him or any of the other kids at the club? You can see why Izzy Brown decided to go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 12, 2013, 12:50:56 PM
It will be disappointing if he is sent out on loan again. What kind of message will that send out to him or any of the other kids at the club? You can see why Izzy Brown decided to go.

How many loans had Izzy Brown had? None. Loaning players out to get them to improve would have had no bearing on his decision to leave the club for Chelsea. He thought he had made it by getting into our squad and then finally getting an appearance for the team. He got seduced by the club he actually supports, no doubt he is getting more money which his family/advisors would have wanted him to take and he's now even more likely to end up loaned to a club than he would have been had he remained with us.

Each youngster is different, some need time playing competitive football to develop before being ready for Premier League football. Berahino needs to play competitive games to improve, we have a decision to make as to whether a loan deal would be beneficial to him/us or whether we are willing to give him game time here. For me personally I think he should be loaned out to a decent enough Championship side until January and then re-evaluate, we can't afford to let his development stall by not giving him any game time. That was exactly what we tried to do last year when we loaned him to Peterborough but he picked up a knee injury.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 13, 2013, 10:55:00 AM
We have got the advantage now of him getting meaningful games with England u21's. That plus Capital One Cup would make it sensible to keep him for at least the next month (2 England u21 games in Oct and 2 in Nov by the looks).
As has been said, some training with the likes of Anelka and the new boys shouldn't do him any harm either - and who knows, he may get some Saturday game time....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 15, 2013, 08:44:40 AM
How did he look yesterday?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 15, 2013, 08:53:34 AM
How did he look yesterday?

In the short time he had on the pitch I thought he looked really lively, takes up some great positions & looks a real threat when he's got the ball, I know its early doors with the lad (& I'm not normally one to get carried away) but he could be a great player for us & I for one will be disappointed if he's loaned out this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 15, 2013, 09:13:18 AM
I thought Bearahino looked good when he came on. I think Steve Clarke is using him well giving him some game time towards the end of the game tiring defences and he has lots of pace and his full of confidence at the minute.  He won us the corner which lead to the goal, and I wouldn't at all send him out on loan as I think we have a real player here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on September 19, 2013, 09:51:02 AM
I'd rather us develop and give game to time Berahino rather than Vydra who will end up going back to Udinese at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 19, 2013, 07:52:06 PM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on September 26, 2013, 04:06:53 PM
Excellent again last night, hold up play was 100% better than Long and yet again proved he is a real goalscorer and a real threat.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Wbamitch on September 26, 2013, 04:40:29 PM
I thought he did ok last night, i could understand why he got took off but i still thought it was a little harsh. He rarely put a foot wrong and did try to create openings, also held his position well and tracked back effectively also. I got the impression that the occasion perhaps restricted him m expressing himself to his full potential. Delighted he got a goal which was probably the biggest positive to take from the night. He should have definately earned a chance to get more Premiership matchday experience with him being a good option on the bench. Probably better than Rosy and long at the moent.
Didnt go to the Newport game, did he play out wide then, just wondered for those who watch him more,  what is his best position?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 26, 2013, 09:28:25 PM
Fir a player with little first team experience he really has impressed me. He looks very calm and assured on the ball, is happy to take the simple option when needed and without doubt is a natural goal scorer. Not only is the lad a good finisher, his positioning looks to be instinctively good. I'm really glad he's getting game time this season as he deserves it and could turn out to be a very valuable commodity in the coming years. 4 goals in 2 starts is a superb effort, especially up against Mertesacker and Vermaelen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: CL3MO on September 26, 2013, 11:09:35 PM
Played reasonably well last night. Reminds me a bit of Defoe with his movement with the ball, as well as always looking to shoot.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 28, 2013, 05:36:56 PM
How fantastic to have a young lad from our youth setup score 5 already this season and one is the winner at Old Trafford!?

Brilliant for us all.

Is his contract really up this summer? That MUST be put right as soon as possible before some buggers try to lure him away!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on September 28, 2013, 06:08:09 PM
What a player this kid is.   He just seems unfazed by the whole situation.


He is a definite starter now that Sinclair is out.


Give him a long term contract right now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 28, 2013, 06:09:15 PM
From player profile on wba.co.uk

SAIDO Berahino signed a new two-and-a-half year deal to keep him at The Hawthorns until June 2014, plus a further year's option in the club's favour, on January 10, 2012.

Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/team/player-profile/index.aspx?playerid=449744&tcmuri=41560#lwZbcY6tYp1zvOPB.99 (http://www.wba.co.uk/team/player-profile/index.aspx?playerid=449744&tcmuri=41560#lwZbcY6tYp1zvOPB.99)

So we have a years option on him still. No worries here. He deserves a rise though!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 28, 2013, 06:52:32 PM
Thanks for that SB. So we've got him tied up for 18months or so.

I still think he should be put on a 3+1 extension. 

Come the start of next season he could realistically be a starting striker for a top half prem club (us). As so he deserves a decent salary.

I expect Long and Berg to both be gone before the next season kicks off and I wouldn't be surprised to see Anelka leave also.

As so he'll have a great chance to establish himself. Also, his ability to play wide attack (was he wide attack left today, as he came on for Scott?) stands him in great stead.

Am very excited about him and Morgan creating and scoring chances for the lead striker and the hole player.

Boing Boing!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: georgespaniel on September 28, 2013, 06:57:23 PM
Watch and weep Izzy brown..it could have been you ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KYA on September 28, 2013, 07:03:37 PM
This kid as the knack of finding space and then adding the finish, he really is an exciting prospect and it would be criminal if the Albion do not sort out a contract.
Talks are ongoing which is good news.
http://www.teamtalk.com/premier-league/8945699/Transfer-news-West-Brom-striker-Saido-Berahino-opens-talks-over-new-deal
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 28, 2013, 07:29:39 PM
What a fantastic prospect we have on our hands here. I thought he was great today, the goal he scored was fantastic and he also played well in other attacks that we had and did a good job at the other end too. Too have a number of attacking players out injured today and  for a young inexperienced player to play at Old Trafford and do so well, shows that we have a real talent here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: slugga1 on September 28, 2013, 07:42:11 PM
Very impressive, the kid has maturity beyond his years. Not only took his goal superbly but on numerous occasions in the last part of game he held possession well and made simple passes backwards rather than trying to over impress and attack. Fantastic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: woodta on September 28, 2013, 08:05:40 PM
This guy has so much potential its unreal! Its also great that that he has only come on in the last 12 months. Which means that he is tied into a professional contract and will cost a few bob for us to sell.

He really does have the potential to become an albion great. Only the right contract, the club moving forward and player commitment will make this happen.

well done saido it really does make me proud to see an albion youth coming through the ranks and smashing it with the top boys!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on September 28, 2013, 08:06:41 PM
7 goals in all competitions this season so far for the young man, and the last 2 against Arsenal and Man Utd in the space of 4 days. He must be on cloud nine right now. Hopefully shows the other young academy players you can make it here
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 28, 2013, 08:43:40 PM
What a classy little player Saido is, great attitude, great finisher and for me has stamped his place as a serious starting XI player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: John Rest on September 28, 2013, 09:48:23 PM
He moves so well.  This guy has the potential to be seriously class.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: woodta on September 28, 2013, 10:10:34 PM
Saido Berahino ?@SBerahino 10h
"Those who love money will never have enough. How meaningless to think that wealth brings true happiness!" Ecclesiastes5:10 #foodforthought

he seems to be level headed as well

Please stay like that Saido and you will go far
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggiee_Boyy_Benn on September 28, 2013, 10:20:36 PM
How does he makes those headers for such a small player! Incredible.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 28, 2013, 10:22:23 PM
That's 2 cracking finishes with his 'weaker left foot' this year. His movement and touch and ability to make something happen makes him a quality player now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 28, 2013, 11:29:41 PM
A real gem indeed.

(So happy he slipped past the kiddie nappers in Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea etc.)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 28, 2013, 11:38:53 PM
Saido Berahino ?@SBerahino 10h
"Those who love money will never have enough. How meaningless to think that wealth brings true happiness!" Ecclesiastes5:10 #foodforthought

he seems to be level headed as well

Please stay like that Saido and you will go far

Great to read a comment like from him, he comes from the same ilk of Lukaku, who could have very easily sat on Chelsea's bench last season and played the odd cup game here and there. I'm so delighted that he scored today playing some like Old Trafford clearly didn't faze him either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 28, 2013, 11:40:58 PM
Great to read a comment like from him, he comes from the same ilk of Lukaku, who could have very easily sat on Chelsea's bench last season and played the odd cup game here and there. I'm so delighted that he scored today playing some like Old Trafford clearly didn't faze him either.

Saido could have had a hattrick, never mind scoring the winner at OT as his first PL goal...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on September 29, 2013, 12:46:27 AM
going to be a legend
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on September 29, 2013, 01:29:37 AM
If this lad continues to work hard, I can see him playing for the senior England team one day.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: chipperclark on September 29, 2013, 02:35:31 AM
 :D Lukaku??? Who is he? We have our own......combination,looks like PO scores like  Lukaku!
We have a diamond in our own backyard.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on September 29, 2013, 08:12:03 AM
How does he makes those headers for such a small player! Incredible.

You don't have to be a giant to be able to head a ball, in fact some of the best headers of a ball such as our Jeff and players like Denis Law and even our Bomber were great headers of the ball and were generally only 6 foot tall or less!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: garry on September 29, 2013, 09:35:38 AM
I wonder, when Izzy Brown was watching Berahino on MOTD last night, he was thinking perhaps the move to Chelsea might have been a mistake.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 29, 2013, 09:38:00 AM
I would hope that performance has buried any talk of him going out on loan he has to be an integral part of the squad and he is ahead of several more established players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Brummie Road on September 29, 2013, 10:55:30 AM
I wonder, when Izzy Brown was watching Berahino on MOTD last night, he was thinking perhaps the move to Chelsea might have been a mistake.

Yep, from a football perspective, I'm still bemused as to why a 16 year old kid would want to leave a club who had given him playing time in the first team at Premiership level?

On the basis that the outstanding Lukaku isn't deemed good enough for the Chelsea first team, I'd suspect that Brown might struggle to catch the Special One's eye.

Back on the topic of Saido, well he fully deserves all the praise he's getting, and nice to see he appears to be a level headed lad.

Clearly though he's still very young and it's a massive step up to this level from where he was last season (not that he appears to be struggling!!) and I would imagine SC will manage him carefully, but if he continues with this form then it's a real unexpected bonus for everyone.

Also the Academy staff must be very pleased and I really hope, after the frustration of Brown's departure for relatively little financial compensation, that the club continues with it's investment into the Academy.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboyfred on September 29, 2013, 01:01:23 PM
 i don't want to be smug and say i told you so but i am going to be, as i have said in previous posts in this forum, i have been watching this kid playing at various levels over the last 4 years and trust me , barring another injury that took him out for 6 months last year, he will join the ranks of the great "baggy" number 9's we have watched over the years, if he can get some reasonable game time under his belt this season, and I am hope SC will make sure of that, then watch him go next season, gentlemen I firmly believe we have a future England senior international player on our hands and my opinion is not just based on his performance this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionwarrior on September 29, 2013, 02:38:21 PM
I'm sure the Club will tie the lad up to a deal that good for all parties .... he's another one on fire at the moment.

 8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 29, 2013, 03:04:15 PM
I think SC deserves a lot of credit for having the balls to bring him on yesterday. SC has come in for a bit of criticism over recent months but he deserves praise for his inclusion of Saido this year. The thing that has struck me about Saido his how composed he is for a young kid. He plays with maturity beyond his years and while his finishing is looking to be deadly, he doesn't have a one track mind and is more than happy to pass the ball around rather than only having the Odemwingie type of directness that could be frustrating at times. I think that by the end of this season, if he stays injury free, he has the ability to be one of the first names on the teamsheet, and he really seems to have a genuine sense of gratitude to the club which is really nice to see.  As someone said earlier in the thread, I wouldn't be surprised to see him make his full England debut in the next few years, we ain't exactly flush with striking talent at international level, and this kid doesn't seem to be phased by pressure whatsoever. He just looks like he loves playing football.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 29, 2013, 03:36:15 PM
a starter for the Arsenal match?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on September 29, 2013, 04:00:38 PM
a starter for the Arsenal match?

Got every chance especially if Sinclair is unfit. Although you would imagine Anelka would be busting a gut to play if he's fit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on September 29, 2013, 08:59:49 PM
Got every chance especially if Sinclair is unfit. Although you would imagine Anelka would be busting a gut to play if he's fit.

Start with Anelka and bring him on for the last 35 mins.  Anelka will tire them and then they will not cope with Berahino's pace.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 29, 2013, 09:00:58 PM
think it could knock his confidence if he wasn't picked especially after the high he will be on after yesterday. think he deserves to start and see how he gets on, if he struggles then we can bring Anelka or Brunt on but he deserves his chance.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 29, 2013, 09:44:16 PM
think it could knock his confidence if he wasn't picked especially after the high he will be on after yesterday. think he deserves to start and see how he gets on, if he struggles then we can bring Anelka or Brunt on but he deserves his chance.

Agree totally he has earnt his chance to start, I understand if Anelka is bought back in as he is the No.1 striker but its about playing for your place, injury and suspension can allow another player to come in stake his claim which Berahino has more than done

Id start him see whether his goalscoring form continues if it doesnt go as planned at least you have a player of Anelkas quality to bring on
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on September 29, 2013, 10:28:32 PM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on September 29, 2013, 10:47:47 PM
I'm prepared to have my words shoved down my throat but...

I really think this lad has his head screwed on and has a sense of something greater than money and fame. His tweets say this, his demeanour says this and everything about him seems class. I think you can forget about the others- he will sign a deal for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 29, 2013, 10:56:14 PM
I'm prepared to have my words shoved down my throat but...

I really think this lad has his head screwed on and has a sense of something greater than money and fame. His tweets say this, his demeanour says this and everything about him seems class. I think you can forget about the others- he will sign a deal for us.

I believe so too, and I hope so. Saido will have a great career but he should stay with us for a season or three to grow into himself and into the league. After that he will have a decade with the big clubs (and I'm not talking Everton here).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 29, 2013, 10:57:42 PM
I think he will have gone within another 3-4 years, but only because I think he will have outgrown us.  I have no doubt that he will by then be an England star and will be with one of the "Big 6" clubs.  If he's anywhere near as good as we all know he will be, then he will go a lot further than we can take him.

In the meantime, lets see him blossom and make the most of it.  I'd hate to see him move to a big club now and waste it on the bench like Zaha and Brown are,  and like Sinclair did.  He needs game time to develop and we need to make sure that he gets it.  Anelka, Long and Rosenberg must not block his progress.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on September 29, 2013, 11:35:27 PM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 30, 2013, 12:34:42 AM
I think in Berahino we have a lad who appreciates where he came from and where he is now. He has a good head on his shoulders but my worry is the head-turning that could come from the Under 21's, hopefully he will look at what he can do here and what would happen if he went to Arsenal where he would get the odd game in the Capital One cup and maybe get on the bench here and there but that's it, at Everton he may get some game time as Martinez does play youngsters more than some but would that be an improvement on what he can do here ? not for me. I'd expect us to tie him down to a new 3/4 year deal as we still have the 12 month option on him at the end of this year and then we see what happens after.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on September 30, 2013, 12:59:53 AM
I think in Berahino we have a lad who appreciates where he came from and where he is now. He has a good head on his shoulders but my worry is the head-turning that could come from the Under 21's, hopefully he will look at what he can do here and what would happen if he went to Arsenal where he would get the odd game in the Capital One cup and maybe get on the bench here and there but that's it, at Everton he may get some game time as Martinez does play youngsters more than some but would that be an improvement on what he can do here ? not for me. I'd expect us to tie him down to a new 3/4 year deal as we still have the 12 month option on him at the end of this year and then we see what happens after.

From what I've read/seen about him he seems level headed and also strongly attached to the community...  All good signs :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on September 30, 2013, 06:34:33 AM
gave a very mature interview to the Sky team.
Seems like a very well grounded youngster.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on September 30, 2013, 08:10:04 AM
I think in Berahino we have a lad who appreciates where he came from and where he is now. He has a good head on his shoulders but my worry is the head-turning that could come from the Under 21's, hopefully he will look at what he can do here and what would happen if he went to Arsenal where he would get the odd game in the Capital One cup and maybe get on the bench here and there but that's it, at Everton he may get some game time as Martinez does play youngsters more than some but would that be an improvement on what he can do here ? not for me. I'd expect us to tie him down to a new 3/4 year deal as we still have the 12 month option on him at the end of this year and then we see what happens after.

I would have no issues with him if he found his feet with us in the prem for the next 3-4 years and then moved onto a CL team to progress his career, that's how it should be done and not the Izzy way.

This is the time where he'll be learning a lot and playing PL football will help that and not in the backwaters of Chelsea.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbatillidie on September 30, 2013, 08:49:52 AM
Don't think it will be a case of either him or Anelka to play against Arsenal considering he came on to replace Sinclair out-wide. Anichebe was playing with an injury so maybe we will see Berahino and Anelka starting instead of Anichebe.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionwarrior on September 30, 2013, 10:37:38 AM
Could just be lazy journalism ... or mischief making?

Looks to me like we have the option to keep him, he appears to be in the position to deserve a new contract ... No reason why the club don't give him one ....

He seems like a really decent lad and if things progress well will obviously move to e bigger club and the fee will reflect both his development, ability and effort the club has put into him over the years .... Seems fair all round doesn't it?

If he is motivated totally be money and perceived status there is probably nothing we can really do about it ..... but lets hope that he is what he appears to be and I've seen nothing that would appear to suggest anything other than that.

 ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on September 30, 2013, 11:04:39 AM
Not surprising if its true.. Chelski did it with Izzy Brown.
Hopefully we wont be slow in addressing the issue of and extended contract...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionwarrior on September 30, 2013, 11:39:39 AM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 30, 2013, 12:39:47 PM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 30, 2013, 04:09:06 PM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on September 30, 2013, 09:25:51 PM
not that I know this for sure..... but ;)

Wasn't Izzy a Chelsea fan to start with... and Saido a Baggie.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 30, 2013, 10:30:38 PM
not that I know this for sure..... but ;)

Wasn't Izzy a Chelsea fan to start with... and Saido a Baggie.

Izzy was/is a Chelsea fan, which in part $wayed him.

Saido isn't really a fan of any club as far as I'm aware. Not coming to the UK till 10 I guess he wasn't brought up following anyone. BUt he's commented often enough about Albion treating him right and it feeling like home.

Id be shocked if this wasn't sorted in our favour in the next month or so.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on September 30, 2013, 10:33:19 PM
Izzy was/is a Chelsea fan, which in part $wayed him.

Saido isn't really a fan of any club as far as I'm aware. Not coming to the UK till 10 I guess he wasn't brought up following anyone. BUt he's commented often enough about Albion treating him right and it feeling like home.

Id be shocked if this wasn't sorted in our favour in the next month or so.


Hope its sooner than that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: breakfastbaggie on October 01, 2013, 12:59:54 AM
Izzy was/is a Chelsea fan, which in part $wayed him.

Saido isn't really a fan of any club as far as I'm aware. Not coming to the UK till 10 I guess he wasn't brought up following anyone. BUt he's commented often enough about Albion treating him right and it feeling like home.

Id be shocked if this wasn't sorted in our favour in the next month or so.

All Saido has ever known is the baggies.  This is home and he will likely sign a new deal for the next 3 to 4 years. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on October 01, 2013, 07:28:25 AM
It has probably been said before but it annoys me how commentators pronounce his name 'Bereenyo' (think Ronaldinho) instead of Berahino. He's not sodding Brazilian!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liverbaggie on October 01, 2013, 10:50:35 AM
I know. Its still early days I've seen his progress in the last two years. Very level headed lad well done to his mom and baggies backroom staff. Remember that Roy knows him and with work cup coming up?as a surprise pick like wallcott.regarding big Vic my mate is an everton fan up in lpool and he said that Vic was highly respected and didn't wat him to go.saido will sign and I think he could become a legend for us like Laurie.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on October 01, 2013, 02:15:57 PM
Arsenal and Everton already mentioned with being interested in signing him today.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on October 01, 2013, 07:20:49 PM
IF he left, part of that would be our own fault. If we couldn't see what we had and what we were in a poll position to sign... then others have the option to try and get him in. 850 quid a week.... They must have known before these games he was a goer and even signed him for 3-4 seasons at a few thousand quid... why let it run to this situation. IF we lose him and if it is for 300k compensation... We can't blame the other clubs for taking advantage of a situation we created.

On the plus side... I think we will sign and pretty quickly, but it does frustrate me that we are in this position.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wolly wombat on October 01, 2013, 08:24:23 PM
Come on now, the reports linking Everton and Arsenal were in the 'Daily Mail'. I always check to see if they have managed to get the date right when I read that load of garbage.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on October 01, 2013, 10:34:50 PM
IF he left, part of that would be our own fault. If we couldn't see what we had and what we were in a poll position to sign... then others have the option to try and get him in. 850 quid a week.... They must have known before these games he was a goer and even signed him for 3-4 seasons at a few thousand quid... why let it run to this situation. IF we lose him and if it is for 300k compensation... We can't blame the other clubs for taking advantage of a situation we created.

On the plus side... I think we will sign and pretty quickly, but it does frustrate me that we are in this position.

it's funny isn't it....

I bet people would be slamming the club if it was found out we were paying a 20 yo Academy player "a few thousand quid a week" just three weeks ago...

and has anyone actually check to see if he doesn't get increased wages depending on which level he plays? (youth player are known to get bonuses for appearances)


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 01, 2013, 11:59:37 PM
Strange comments..  This is how it works... academy player has a couple of decent senior games. Press reports interest from other clubs... said player signs new deal with current club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bob on October 03, 2013, 09:28:31 AM
it's funny isn't it....

I bet people would be slamming the club if it was found out we were paying a 20 yo Academy player "a few thousand quid a week" just three weeks ago...

and has anyone actually check to see if he doesn't get increased wages depending on which level he plays? (youth player are known to get bonuses for appearances)

Dead right. Maybe we should give all of our academy prospects and younger players a big fat long contract now just in case they make it.

I'm sure the club will do the right thing. Must admit im pleasantly surprised with how Berahino has done. Would be great to have a player come through the ranks and make it at premiership level. Lets hope he does show us some loyalty as well. Could really be a catalyst in getting a good atmosphere back at the Hawthorns
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 03, 2013, 09:30:50 AM
If England qualify for Brazil does anyone think he coud make the squad if he scored 15 goals say
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 03, 2013, 12:28:18 PM
If England qualify for Brazil does anyone think he coud make the squad if he scored 15 goals say

If he gets 15 league goals and 1 or 2 more established lads have injuries, then yes.

But thats a fair few Ifs.... He isn't even a regular bench guy for us as yet. Lets not put too much on him and lets get him to sign a new bloody contract!  :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on October 03, 2013, 01:16:04 PM
He is a good prospect full stop.
Lets not put to much of a load on his young shoulders, give the lad time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Gaffer on October 03, 2013, 01:24:05 PM
He's a class act he ia a natural goalscorer it is clear to see that even at this stage. He and Amalfitano have come along just when we NEEDED them DESPERATELY!!

Amalfitano reminds me of Beckham at his peak (slight differences but similar in oh so many ways) and Berahinho reminds me of a young Michael Owen.

Take these pair away and we are relegated, keep these pair fit and in form and we are fine and dandy. That is how big and important these two players are to the Albion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bob on October 03, 2013, 02:31:29 PM
Ridiculous thing to say. Whilst they both look good players, its still very early days and we have plenty of other good players as well.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 03, 2013, 02:48:14 PM
He's a class act he ia a natural goalscorer it is clear to see that even at this stage. He and Amalfitano have come along just when we NEEDED them DESPERATELY!!

I'd say it Amalfitano and Sessegnon we needed desperately rather than Berahino.

Let's not over hype the lad or put any necessary pressure or expectation on him. Let us just allow him to continue what he's been doing recently.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 03, 2013, 04:36:19 PM
He's got plenty of developing left to do yet, he's had a promising start and he's riding the crest of a wave so far this season but lets not get ahead of ourselves here with talk of 15 goals and World Cup squads.

He seems a pretty grounded young man and certainly deserves a new deal to reward him for his progress so far.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 05, 2013, 01:22:25 PM
Of all our kids this is the big one for me, his record at age group levels is phenomenal, I think he'll score for fun in the lower leagues.

Bump  8)

Keep it up Saido you'll be an absolute star if you keep your feet on the ground.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on October 05, 2013, 01:25:49 PM
Reading his latest interview its very encouraging a player with humility but also a realism of his ambitions . We need more players who have the drive to play for a top 5 club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 05, 2013, 01:32:28 PM
Bump  8)

Keep it up Saido you'll be an absolute star if you keep your feet on the ground.

"I think he'll score for fun in the lower leagues" very intuitive!  ::) 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on October 05, 2013, 04:18:37 PM
Who said the academy was pointless and a waste of money  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 05, 2013, 08:23:06 PM
Who said the academy was pointless and a waste of money  ;D

We just need to hide the lads till they've signed pro contracts! Talking of which, I'd be happy to hear Saido has signed a new one soon
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Reddiebaggie on October 06, 2013, 11:53:27 AM
Romelu lukaku's situation is the prime reason why any young striker should not look at Chelsea to further their career, Saido is at least a year behind Rom if not more so why would you go there if not for the money which he has stated on Twitter is of very little importance to him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on October 06, 2013, 12:27:38 PM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 06, 2013, 12:40:55 PM
New topic created in the Transfer Forum for rumours on Saido, this one we'll try to keep for general discussion

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=12311.msg261601#new
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on October 06, 2013, 12:41:11 PM
Absolute rubbish.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on October 06, 2013, 12:42:39 PM
Chelsea can't even find a place in the squad for Lukaku, no chance they're going to be after Berahino (for that amount of money anyway) surely.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on October 06, 2013, 01:51:43 PM
Absolute rubbish.

My thoughts exactly. How the writer of the article can deduce that Berahino has a better chance of being called up for the World Cup with Chelsea is beyond me. I wonder how much Saido's agent has had to do with this "story"?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on October 06, 2013, 01:59:48 PM
My thoughts exactly. How the writer of the article can deduce that Berahino has a better chance of being called up for the World Cup with Chelsea is beyond me. I wonder how much Saido's agent has had to do with this "story"?
I doubt its even his agent just the complete idiots at metro wanting to put a story together!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 06, 2013, 02:12:06 PM
I doubt its even his agent just the complete idiots at metro wanting to put a story together!
Then why not use Everton or Arsenal? teams actually linked to him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie Boy on October 06, 2013, 02:15:40 PM
Then why not use Everton or Arsenal? teams actually linked to him?

Because with Chelsea you get the stigma of Izzy Brown and Clarkes links to Chelsea. Its just poor journalism trying to sensationalise nothing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 06, 2013, 02:59:31 PM
His agents are Key Sports Management who are also the agents for amongst others Theo Walcott, Jordan Henderson and  Phil Jones. All of whom suffered from getting a "big" move a little bit too early in their careers and then failing to deliver up to the well orchestrated media hype surrounding them.  Closer to home they are the agents for James Morrison ,Chris Brunt and now ex- Baggie Izzy Brown. I sincerely hope Sadio has other sources of advice and the lad himself seems to be well grounded but I do fear the worse even if we do persuade him to sign a new contract. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on October 06, 2013, 03:31:19 PM
Yes Key Sports Management do like to get young players a move to the big clubs early on in their careers.
 
Its worrying but lets hope, for a change, that common sense prevails and he signs a new contract with us and does well and consistently scores goals and then gets the move away that he deserves with all of our blessings.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 06, 2013, 03:48:14 PM


"I think he'll score for fun in the lower leagues" very intuitive!  ::)

Was prior to his first loan... Not a prediction of his career as a whole. Context is key my friend.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on October 06, 2013, 06:57:12 PM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: section5 on October 06, 2013, 10:06:49 PM
very good performance from saido today, looks to have took to the premier league really well hopefully we can keep his feet on the ground and not let money grabbing agents turn his head, futures looking bright boingboing
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 07, 2013, 12:36:53 AM

Was prior to his first loan... Not a prediction of his career as a whole. Context is key my friend.

You gave yourself a big slap on the back for predicting Saido would score goals in "the lower leagues" not the Premier, context has a lot to answer for mukka
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 07, 2013, 05:56:21 AM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on October 07, 2013, 06:18:59 AM
Listening to Clarkes pre match interview yesterday he was les than impressed by Berahino's agent and more or less said so.
I'm sure the club are well aware of what they need to do here and will act accordingly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on October 07, 2013, 11:06:42 AM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 07, 2013, 11:11:40 AM
10k per week maybe. Rising towards 20k depending on appearances and goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 07, 2013, 12:53:19 PM
He COULD be really good for us , on the other hand remember Neil Mellor, Rob Hulse, Micheal Rickets etc etc , they were all going to be the next...
If anyone came anywhere near 6m now id rip their arm off , yes he scored a goal against manure, but so did Kenny miller ?.
id love him to stay and develop but if he has his head swayed then lets get a decent price.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 07, 2013, 12:59:15 PM
I'd put him on a performance related deal, with basic wages rising in stages over time, while appearance and goal bonuses rise with volume. Give him something to shoot for.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 07, 2013, 03:49:52 PM
Improved wages in line with lower end first team squad members, goal and app bonus and same "staying up" bonus as the others. The "staying up" bonus should be a given this year and very sizeable. That and a contract review after one or two seasons and he'd be mad to leave a club that is turning him into a star of the future.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 07, 2013, 04:08:11 PM
It is difficult balance to strike. Plainly we need to offer him enough so he is happy to commit to a three or four year deal but not so much as we end up stuck with an expensive player who has not developed as we would all hope. If he does fill his undoubted potential we all know that longer term we might struggle to hold onto him but it is absolutely critical when that time comes the club is in a strong contractual position. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies54 on October 07, 2013, 04:28:28 PM
Everyone seems keen on Saido and agree that we need to hang on to him, most are saying he is not the finished article but where do you think he needs to improve to make strides to becoming said finished article?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 07, 2013, 04:38:01 PM
Everyone seems keen on Saido and agree that we need to hang on to him, most are saying he is not the finished article but where do you think he needs to improve to make strides to becoming said finished article?

For me it's more a question of experience rather than needing to improve on anything per se. With more experience he will become a more rounded player. Hopefully he'll learn different things from each of our strikers.

He's a very exciting prospect and I'm glad he's ours.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 07, 2013, 05:38:33 PM
Everyone seems keen on Saido and agree that we need to hang on to him, most are saying he is not the finished article but where do you think he needs to improve to make strides to becoming said finished article?

There is a lot to happen in the next few years in terms of his development much of it mental as much as physical.  I hate to make comparisons with Luke Moore but at the age of 20 he looked like a real prospect but he failed to train on, often I witnessed flashes of ability when he was with us but his overall game pretty much crumbled to mediocrity by the time he left.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on October 07, 2013, 06:35:51 PM
It is difficult balance to strike. Plainly we need to offer him enough so he is happy to commit to a three or four year deal but not so much as we end up stuck with an expensive player who has not developed as we would all hope. If he does fill his undoubted potential we all know that longer term we might struggle to hold onto him but it is absolutely critical when that time comes the club is in a strong contractual position.
Tricky indeed. As we know agents have heavy influence unfortunately. Would be nice to offer say 10k then increments year by year performance related....BUT...Think we have to offer enough to avoid the agent saying 'I can get you twice that somewhere else'. Anything up to 30k I would think...he doesn't seem the type to get complacent.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 07, 2013, 07:31:38 PM
Listening to Clarkes pre match interview yesterday he was les than impressed by Berahino's agent and more or less said so.
I'm sure the club are well aware of what they need to do here and will act accordingly.

Agreed!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on October 07, 2013, 08:13:47 PM
He COULD be really good for us , on the other hand remember Neil Mellor, Rob Hulse, Micheal Rickets etc etc , they were all going to be the next...
If anyone came anywhere near 6m now id rip their arm off , yes he scored a goal against manure, but so did Kenny miller ?.
id love him to stay and develop but if he has his head swayed then lets get a decent price.

and do what with it?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 07, 2013, 08:17:48 PM
and do what with it?

Take him to the hospital I would hope.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on October 07, 2013, 09:13:07 PM
After the last few weeks it is easy to forget that at the start of the season particularly after the deadline day signings Berhahino was a long way down the pecking order. There was probably more chance of him being loaned out rather than breaking through into the first team in that context with two years left to run on his current deal there was no pressing need to throw money at a player whose chances of making it at Premier League level were no better than 50:50.
See the point but he's been highly regarded at the club and on the England under 21 radar for a while now - I remember Trevor Brooking mentioning Thorne and Saido in despatches at some stage last season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on October 08, 2013, 11:34:08 PM
I'd take 6 million and lukaku for saide fare price me thinks
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 08, 2013, 11:42:42 PM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Philly88 on October 09, 2013, 07:01:30 AM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbatillidie on October 10, 2013, 08:44:33 PM
I'd take 6 million and lukaku for saide fare price me thinks

You can't seriously think that's a fair price?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on October 10, 2013, 09:31:50 PM
Didnt play tonight for the U21s...mixed blessings really...dont want his profile raised too much mire but in the other hand goals would have given even more confidence...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on October 10, 2013, 09:34:53 PM
Didnt play tonight for the U21s...mixed blessings really...dont want his profile raised too much mire but in the other hand goals would have given even more confidence...

I don't think so, San Marino were just woeful no match at all so I agree with the first part that it's a good thing Saido was rested and didn't take part in this turkey shoot.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 11, 2013, 04:25:29 PM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 11, 2013, 05:12:03 PM
He seems like he is well grounded and I get the feeling he wouldn't have his head turned by a move to a big club. Perhaps Scott Sinclair could advise of the folly of a move to a big club?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Reddiebaggie on October 11, 2013, 07:16:14 PM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sportygirlwba on October 11, 2013, 09:24:21 PM
So far this season and for the England under 21's Saido Berahino has been playing amazing!

He has scored like 5 goals in 6 games and been very creative and has been very productive in the United, Arsenal and Sunderland matches.

Many clubs will be interested in Berahaino so therefore Albion need to sign him on a longer contract so if a club does bid it will have to be a large sum of money to gem him to leave.

Heard Arsenal are already interested????!!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lordbaggie on October 11, 2013, 10:57:59 PM
FFS  can you guys not see what's in front of you? Or I'd this a lack of historical perspective? IMHO this guy has the potential to be bigger than PO and he reminds me a lot of Laurie hesitate to say so because of the pressure. But comparisons with Luke S***e do me  a favour !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 12, 2013, 12:13:08 AM
FFS  can you guys not see what's in front of you? Or I'd this a lack of historical perspective? IMHO this guy has the potential to be bigger than PO and he reminds me a lot of Laurie hesitate to say so because of the pressure. But comparisons with Luke S***e do me  a favour !

Okay if you don't like the comparison with Luke Moore  how about Nugent, Darbyshire, Lita and Vaughn who were the forwards that England under 21's took to the 2007 European Championship who at that stage of their careers were attracting rave reviews but have hardly set the world alight since for whatever reason.

 The point being is all we have seen from Sadio is a few good games it has not been sustained for a season let alone two. I do not doubt he has potential but the worse thing to do with a young player is over-hype them and mentioning him in the same breath as Cunningham and Odemwingie is certainly that. Lets see how he does over the next couple of years if he continues to develop then maybe those sort of comparisons become legitimate. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lordbaggie on October 12, 2013, 11:48:22 AM
Okay if you don't like the comparison with Luke Moore  how about Nugent, Darbyshire, Lita and Vaughn who were the forwards that England under 21's took to the 2007 European Championship who at that stage of their careers were attracting rave reviews but have hardly set the world alight since for whatever reason.

 The point being is all we have seen from Sadio is a few good games it has not been sustained for a season let alone two. I do not doubt he has potential but the worse thing to do with a young player is over-hype them and mentioning him in the same breath as Cunningham and Odemwingie is certainly that. Lets see how he does over the next couple of years if he continues to develop then maybe those sort of comparisons become legitimate.
Well I'll trust my own eyes and judgement. I knew the quality of PO inside 90 minutes. Laurie inside 20. If I'd waited 2 years he'd already have been in a plane to Madrid! This boy has the right mental makeup
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Gaffer on October 12, 2013, 12:11:40 PM
Saido is a class act you can see it a mile off, he will be a top, top, striker.

Comparisons with Cunningham are stupid though, different types of player completely. Cunningham much more skillful and explosive, Berahinho much more of a finisher. Berahino WILL be a star at an elite club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lordbaggie on October 12, 2013, 12:16:19 PM
Saido is a class act you can see it a mile off, he will be a top, top, striker.

Comparisons with Cunningham are stupid though, different types of player completely. Cunningham much more skillful and explosive, Berahinho much more of a finisher. Berahino WILL be a star at an elite club.


Both have played as striker and winger. Both lean and quick. There are differences of course but comparisons are hardly "stupid "
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Gaffer on October 12, 2013, 12:22:41 PM

Both have played as striker and winger. Both lean and quick. There are differences of course but comparisons are hardly "stupid "


If you look at Laurie's goalscoring record it is nothing compared to what Saido's will be. Saido is like a young Michael Owen his technique and sharpness in front of goal is exceptional. He won't dribble past players or look "brilliant" like Cunningham did but he has the end product, it's not manufactured it's natural.

"stupid" may be slightly strong but I don't think comparisons are fair.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bob on October 13, 2013, 09:33:09 AM
Some of the comments on here are absolutely stupid. Im as excited about him as most Albion fans but he's done very little at the moment and still has a lot to prove to even keep in the squad when all of our players are fully fit.

Luckily he seems more level headed than a few of our fans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on October 14, 2013, 08:25:53 AM
You can tell there is no Premier League football being played at the moment cant you.  ::)

Supposed journalists/bloggers/hacks have nothing actually to write about so just keep rehashing, with minor variations, the same thing as all the others.

Nothing written so far has any more true in it than that "he is a talent" and the "Big" clubs like to over fill their rosters with "talents"

So yes, they may like what they see but actually it is doubtful they will even try.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on October 14, 2013, 08:55:03 AM
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Post by: ranj on October 14, 2013, 09:31:07 AM
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on October 14, 2013, 12:27:02 PM
I think a lot of Baggies fans, and most sensible fans of other clubs, know a future star when they see one! All my mates support other teams but they're all raving about Saido. It'd be criminal to let him go now, he WILL be a sensational player for years to come. Just a thought on the concern of most ordinary Albion supporters....note the colossal amount of 'views' on any threads about Saido. A lot of us are worried!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bob on October 14, 2013, 02:05:26 PM
Its probably fairly safe to say that, baring injury, Lukaku will be a "sensational player" for years to come. Far to early to say anything like that about Berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on October 14, 2013, 02:29:16 PM
Its probably fairly safe to say that, baring injury, Lukaku will be a "sensational player" for years to come. Far to early to say anything like that about Berahino

Cracking point. Althoguh Saido looks ok, he will never be the 'world class' player some are making out.

Could be an excellent player for us, but Saido has a lot to do to live up to somebody such as Jermain Defoe, let alone Michael Owen & other greats of the modern game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies54 on October 14, 2013, 02:48:53 PM
I always thought that Saido would have been better employed staying at West Brom rather than going on loan to Peterborough, training and working with the first team squad at baggies would have perhaps toughened him up a bit.( he might even have had a couple of games at back end).

He looks an exciting prospect but he is a little bit light on the ball and gets it taken off him a tad too easy, his percentage of completed passes needs to be stepped up a bit (imho).

It is nice to have a decent player coming from the academy, both he and Izzy and who knows which one will come through next, Adil Nabi and Kemar Roofe seem to play with some consistancy....futures bright in blue and white stripes (or is that white and blue).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 14, 2013, 03:55:19 PM
Cracking point. Althoguh Saido looks ok, he will never be the 'world class' player some are making out.

Could be an excellent player for us, but Saido has a lot to do to live up to somebody such as Jermain Defoe, let alone Michael Owen & other greats of the modern game.

Never be world class? How do you know?

Modern day great Michael Owen? Not high on my list- maybe had he not been injured all the time he would have been but I doubt when asked for a great of the modern game Owen would fly from their lips.

Back to Saido, he has the potential to be great, lets see if he can fulfil that (at least in part) with the Albion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on October 14, 2013, 04:56:05 PM
Never be world class? How do you know?

Modern day great Michael Owen? Not high on my list- maybe had he not been injured all the time he would have been but I doubt when asked for a great of the modern game Owen would fly from their lips.

Back to Saido, he has the potential to be great, lets see if he can fulfil that (at least in part) with the Albion.

Not going to get into much of a debate regarding this, but at 18 Michael Owen was the hottest property in the world.

World Cup 98 for example. Berahino has a lot to do to get to this stage.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 14, 2013, 10:23:40 PM
Cracking point. Althoguh Saido looks ok, he will never be the 'world class' player some are making out.

Could be an excellent player for us, but Saido has a lot to do to live up to somebody such as Jermain Defoe, let alone Michael Owen & other greats of the modern game.


Don't know how you can make these calls so early on. The lad shows outstanding promise, you can see it a MILE off. And I think this year he is going to pull all of your trousers down. (so to speak)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on October 15, 2013, 09:03:59 AM

Don't know how you can make these calls so early on. The lad shows outstanding promise, you can see it a MILE off. And I think this year he is going to pull all of your trousers down. (so to speak)

I hope he does. As an Albion fan id like nothing more!!

Im just taking a step back & making a judgement from there. Lets not get sucked in to the typical English way of hyping up younger players too soon.

Give him time to settle, give him time to improve. Lets not slate him when things go poorly.

Sterling, Carroll, Oxlade-Chamberlain are just some of the 'next big things' we've had in this country over recent seasons. Long term form proves they are nothing more than fairly good footballers!

But heres hoping Saido can be our superstar, but dont forget to be patient! Lets wait to see if he can perform regularly for 12months or so as a minimum before we hail every move!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 15, 2013, 09:17:22 AM
From the his twitter account sounds that he will be in the U21 side tonight will be interesting to see how he gets on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Gaffer on October 15, 2013, 11:04:26 AM
Berahino is a star of the future you wait and see. As a "goalscorer" he's just got it. Yes it's putting pressure on him but class acts handle pressure and this boy will.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 15, 2013, 01:36:53 PM
regardless of all of this we should get him on a longer contract.

1)rewards progress
2) if sugar daddys come along it has to be with stupid offer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 15, 2013, 06:06:11 PM
He's just scored for the under 21-s within the opening couple of minutes.

I'm relying on Twitter but there are apparently some doubts about whether the goal is actually his.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 15, 2013, 06:47:00 PM
He's just scored for the under 21-s within the opening couple of minutes.

I'm relying on Twitter but there are apparently some doubts about whether the goal is actually his.
It's Ravel Morrison's, Saido didn't get a touch but was enough to trick the keeper who fumbled it in the wrong side of the post. He's struggling on his own up front, cant turn his man and is struggling to make space between the lines for Morrison to exploit, the one time he has was the goal. Ince isn't doing anything for me, but Zaha 's got that left wing down.

Lithuania are playing VERY defensively (as you may expect) and are limiting our chances and forcing us to play sideways, their tactics are working quite well despite the scoreline.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on October 15, 2013, 07:24:05 PM
Berahino again...top class..now **** off Arsenal and any others he is ours !!!!@!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 15, 2013, 07:25:11 PM
He's just scored a wonderful goal, no doubts about this one.

A terrific finish. Opens his body up and from an acute angle bends it around the keeper into the corner.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 15, 2013, 07:36:07 PM
Just scored his second goal of the night - a penalty sending the keeper the wrong way.

He's now been substituted.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on October 15, 2013, 07:42:35 PM
I just hope we can keep him, I will be heartbroken if we lose another youngster.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 15, 2013, 07:54:26 PM
Got to start next match. This boy is flying. #goalmachine
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 15, 2013, 08:01:52 PM
I missed 10 mins so missed his first goal but in the 2nd half he had so much more space to work with, and he improved drastically. had a Good header which unfortunately was too central and another 1st time shot that could've easily squirmed under the keeper.

1st half was one sided and dull, the 2nd half was one sided and entertaining, Lithuania must've fell apart when the first subs were made when I was away because they really restricted us first half.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Gaffer on October 15, 2013, 08:28:04 PM
I just hope we can keep him, I will be heartbroken if we lose another youngster.


That's the problem I think it's inevitable we will lose him the "elite" clubs have too much pull.

I would slap one hell of a price tag round his neck though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ronnie_allen on October 15, 2013, 10:09:15 PM
Well done Saido - bit disappointed the ITV Commentator only mentioned Morrison getting two goals though  >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on October 15, 2013, 10:48:00 PM
Well done Saido - bit disappointed the ITV Commentator only mentioned Morrison getting two goals though  >:(

No surprise, par for the course especially with ITV.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 16, 2013, 12:03:06 AM
No surprise, par for the course especially with ITV.

He had a simple choice: mention west ham or West Brom and he used all of his knowledge of football and decided that he'd go with the established premier league team and talk about Morrison.  Obvious when you don't think about it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on October 16, 2013, 12:37:51 AM
Interesting that Morrison was on a hatrick but Berahino took the penalty.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ronnie_allen on October 16, 2013, 09:03:34 AM
BBC Radio 5 report this morning did the same with Under 21s. Only mentioning Ravel scoring his two. No problem with him being given the headlines, but would it have been too much trouble to spend an extra five seconds giving the full list of scorers. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbastrollers on October 16, 2013, 09:22:07 AM
BBC Radio 5 report this morning did the same with Under 21s. Only mentioning Ravel scoring his two. No problem with him being given the headlines, but would it have been too much trouble to spend an extra five seconds giving the full list of scorers.

We have a little gem - lets keep it hidden, lest  someone comes along and steals it  :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: section5 on October 16, 2013, 09:59:06 AM
we have to give him the contract he deserves, especially if he continues to be a first team regular/ squad member, he has to earn on a par with his peers so he feels valued as well, i know he's only young and we've got the years extra option but if we drag this out his head may be turned, i know its only early doors so it's a bit of a balancing act but if he continues to be around the first sixteen surely it would only merit a contract representing his new squad status
in an ideal world we sign him up on a long contract and he continues going strength to strength, there's a feel good factor around the squad and we don't want anything upsetting it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 16, 2013, 01:14:54 PM
I would very much hope we're not leaving his contract situation till January, or even worse, the summer?

A decent, but not elaborate contract, running for 4 years is needed right away, even if it pushes us over our wage allowance? Long &/or Berg will be gone by Feb, it'll even out long term.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tucka9 on October 16, 2013, 02:52:12 PM
Anyone think a good season of 10-15 goals from him (a big if at the moment) could force his way into the England squad? Rooney, Sturridge and Welbeck nailed on, which probably leaves 2 forward places up for grabs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 16, 2013, 04:54:37 PM
Anyone think a good season of 10-15 goals from him (a big if at the moment) could force his way into the England squad? Rooney, Sturridge and Welbeck nailed on, which probably leaves 2 forward places up for grabs.

He's already got about 8 or 9 I think including his U21 goals! I'd be half tempted to hide him away and play the other lads till his contract is sorted. He seems a good lad with a level head, but if he scores 6 or so by christmas his advisors are going to want huge money and some "big" club are bound to try their best to sway him.

It's an odd problem to have, you've got a great player, but you may have to not play him short-term, so that he will stay long term? I've honestly not got a firm idea how we'll handle this?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on October 16, 2013, 08:46:22 PM
Interesting that Morrison was on a hatrick but Berahino took the penalty.
Morrison didn't seem to like it as he squared up to Zaha after the pen. Not sure if Zaha was captain or not. Given that Southgate said he'd reminded them to be ruthless and not showboat at half time that could have been why they went with Saido who I assume must have been designated penalty taker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: 187_homicide on October 17, 2013, 05:57:55 AM
Three Lions boss Hodgson will call up West Brom striker Saido Berahino and in-form Norwich winger Nathan Redmond from the Under-21s for England's two friendlies at Wembley next month, and may also consider West Ham's reformed bad-boy Ravel Morisson.

Great news.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/england-starlets-must-force-take-2460416#ixzz2hx4uR41x?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on October 17, 2013, 06:09:17 AM
I'm pretty certain that saido is not ready to be the england centre forward (though it's not as if england has a single really outstanding one).

I hope hodgson sees it the same way, because if saido were to go to Brazil and play, unless he were a total flop he would not start the following season for wba.

Playing in the forthcoming friendlies would be bad enough in that respect.

Not that that story in the mirror is other than speculation presented as fact.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 17, 2013, 07:50:12 AM
I'm pretty certain that saido is not ready to be the england centre forward (though it's not as if england has a single really outstanding one).

I hope hodgson sees it the same way, because if saido were to go to Brazil and play, unless he were a total flop he would not start the following season for wba.

Playing in the forthcoming friendlies would be bad enough in that respect.

Not that that story in the mirror is other than speculation presented as fact.
I'd back him to out score Wellbeck?
Sometimes you just don't know how good they can be till you put them in, Townsend anyone?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 17, 2013, 10:57:32 AM
On the one hand it is good to see a young player of ours getting recognition but equally it is a worry that the hype surrounding Berhahino is getting a little bit out of hand and long term that is not good for either the player nor the club until the contract issue is resolved.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Doobuy on October 17, 2013, 11:02:21 AM
no harm in him being called up for the experience. he'll get no more than 15 mins i would think but why not get him used to the set up.  getting him a new contract is important but not urgent. The media are responsible for so much hype but the reality is that if he signs for a bigger club he wont get a look-in and his development will suffer as a result. he has years ahead of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on October 17, 2013, 11:12:57 AM
How is the progress of signing a new deal with Saido?We have to act quicker as I'm afraid that he will attract much more interest from the big clubs if he called up by England.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 17, 2013, 06:56:38 PM
I imagine we would have scheduled a meeting with Saido's people at the earliest opportunity following the game at OT.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 17, 2013, 10:51:07 PM
All seems very slow i'm afraid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on October 18, 2013, 06:24:36 AM
All seems very slow i'm afraid.

Its a contract that may affect the rest of a young players life so I would imagine that its not as cut and dried as we think it should be.
I would imagine that the contract will have several add ons and clauses based on how many Premier League goals he scores and how many England caps he might get at U21 and Full International level.
Add to that the release clauses that will be in there, it wont be sorted overnight.
At the end of the day the agent will want the maximum for his client and the Albion will want to be paying the minimum the can to secure his services.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 18, 2013, 09:06:02 AM
We still have the best part of two years to run on his current deal and as the previous poster noted contracts are far from straight forward so it won't get sorted quickly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on October 18, 2013, 03:47:30 PM
Not sure if anybody saw another bit in yesterdays Mirror but one of the main journalists put Saido in his World Cup squad for Brazil!

Obviously a lot can happen between now and then and important there isnt too much hype about him as he has actually only made one premiership start!

Signs are good though, he seems a sensible lad and i think he probably appreciates Albion have had a big part in his life, he has had quite a different background to most.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 18, 2013, 09:50:56 PM
Tottenham seemed to sort out Andros Townsend's contract quite quickly since his rise of form.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 18, 2013, 10:09:18 PM
Tottenham seemed to sort out Andros Townsend's contract quite quickly since his rise of form.

And?

Spurs are in a completely different situation to us, being a much smaller club the agent of Berahino will be looking for a massive pay rise for his client using supposed interest from bigger clubs to try and pressure Albion. The agent of Townsend doesn't have anything like that to pressure Spurs, also how long have they been negotiating a new deal for Townsend in comparison to us with Berahino.

I'm confident a deal will get agreed but there is no major rush for us so I don't see the need to panic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on October 19, 2013, 09:53:26 AM
Hopefully, whilst talks continue, we are 'looking after him' will ex gratia reward payments for appearances and goals !!!!!!!!

He seems a level headed young guy but the power and pull of the so-called 'big four' clubs cannot be underestimated if they come calling so the sooner we can get him on a long contract the better - remember the players all talk when they are away on international duty and heads can easily get turned.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 19, 2013, 02:15:50 PM
Januzaj contract negotiations tied up into a 5 year deal. These players all hit form at the same time as Saido. It's slow business as usual for us I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 19, 2013, 02:28:56 PM
Januzaj contract negotiations tied up into a 5 year deal. These players all hit form at the same time as Saido. It's slow business as usual for us I'm afraid.
So your argument is based on two teams in Europe with insane amounts of money to throw at them and realistically teams the player cannot improve on and in Townsend's case the team he's always supported? Whereas the whole basis of why so many larger clubs are linked is because they can give Saido more money and price us out.

Not the greatest comparison is it? I mean what else was Januzaj supposed to do after breaking into one of the largest teams in the world? go to a worse one for less money and play with worse players while probably playing just as much?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on October 19, 2013, 02:31:27 PM
Januzaj contract negotiations tied up into a 5 year deal. These players all hit form at the same time as Saido. It's slow business as usual for us I'm afraid.

Too true, I seem to recall it was mentioned that he was in talks about a contract after the Newport cup game
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on October 19, 2013, 02:38:10 PM
Well apparently, Townsend's near deal is only 16k a week, which for someone who's just launched themselves into the England starting line up and plays for Spurs is incredibly low. No reason to rush a contract and give him too big a contract too soon, he's got over 18 months left after all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mat15(MH) on October 19, 2013, 02:48:37 PM
Januzaj contract negotiations tied up into a 5 year deal. These players all hit form at the same time as Saido. It's slow business as usual for us I'm afraid.

Actually, United have been trying to sort a deal with Januzaj for a couple of months, so it's hardly quick business.

And as has been pointed out, Townsend/Januzaj are at a lot bigger clubs than us, Townsend and Januzaj in particular aren't likely to be able to join a bigger side than the one they are at.

A bit of patience is required, there was a similar fuss over McAuley and Mulumbu's deals in the summer and then they got done, plenty of time yet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on October 19, 2013, 08:55:07 PM
Did ok today in his most physical test so far , left Ridgewell a bit to open at times though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 19, 2013, 08:56:33 PM
I thought today showed that he has a long way to go before he becomes the finished article.

Couldn't really get into the game and when he did receive the ball he couldn't effect play.

Today will be a good learning curve for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Wbamitch on October 19, 2013, 09:31:40 PM
Agree with both of the above comments. I thought he actually showed decent strength in battling for and holding up the ball. Unfortunately didn't get much chance to lurk around the really dangerous areas.

Was always going to be a tough game, I personally would have gave him a rest but its a good experience for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 20, 2013, 12:33:20 AM
He struggled to get into the game today and I think we have better for the wide left position in both Sinclair and Brunt. Would like to see him given his head up front from the bench in future matches. I'm certain he won't start at Anfield next week.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Foster#1 on October 20, 2013, 12:14:56 PM
On the verge of a call up to the upcoming friendlys according to the mirror today.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 20, 2013, 01:33:09 PM
I think he did ok Yesterday I was surprised that Clarke had started him, and I felt he may have gone for Brunt. However it would be a very good learning curve for him and he would have gained some useful experience.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 20, 2013, 01:40:04 PM
He was quiet yesterday. Although his pass for Sessegnon's first chance was sublime. A lot of out traffic went down our right side with Amalfitano, maybe we were targeting their left back, which created the illusion of Berahino not being in the game.

He's still raw. Like Lukaku was this time last season.

I suspect he is filling in for Sinclair at the moment, and would expect Sinclair to come in when he returns from injury.

I would be inclined to start Brunt against Liverpool just to take come pressure off Berahino, he's had a big couple of weeks!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on October 20, 2013, 02:06:44 PM
He was quiet yesterday. Although his pass for Sessegnon's first chance was sublime. A lot of out traffic went down our right side with Amalfitano, maybe we were targeting their left back, which created the illusion of Berahino not being in the game.

He's still raw. Like Lukaku was this time last season.

I suspect he is filling in for Sinclair at the moment, and would expect Sinclair to come in when he returns from injury.

I would be inclined to start Brunt against Liverpool just to take come pressure off Berahino, he's had a big couple of weeks!!!
Agree..cant expect too much from him...like the way he didnt try too many tricks in the England U 21 game...far more mature a player than Zaha...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboyfred on October 20, 2013, 08:47:43 PM
thought he found the stoke defenders rather physical today but all part of the learning curve, he stuck at it, and will be all the better for the experience
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 30, 2013, 08:57:48 AM
Sensible deal the club has plenty of scope for increasing his pay as he progresses so we will be able to negotiate future extensions and hopefully keep him at the club at little bit longer than might otherwise be the case 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 30, 2013, 09:30:10 AM
Good news that he seems very close to signing a new deal, he deserves to be rewarded for his progress so far and it will mean if a bigger club wants him they will have to pay a big fee to get him. Hopefully he can keep up the hard work and stay in and around the squad to develop his game and ultimately make an even bigger name for himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on October 30, 2013, 12:59:31 PM
Hope his agent is sensible and the deal get's signed. He would get more than that if someone else snapped him up of course.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 30, 2013, 01:18:37 PM
Don't know how to break this to you all, but....

I think he actually wants to stay here , he is very grounded and would like to continue his progression at the baggies , whilst being paid a fair rate (of course).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 30, 2013, 03:59:07 PM
I agree that he seems settled and happy here and i've read quotes from him roughly says he feels he owes the club. Sign him up for 4+ years and let him loose on the Prem. Play the lad  upfront and he can be a starting player for up by next season. He'll only get better with Minutes on the pitch.

Long and Berg should not be getting any pitch time instead of Saido once he's signed (I think they're both good lads and i want them both to be happy elsewhere, but neither is a relaible goalscorer)

Sess, Saido, Vic and 1 other to be our attack by Sep 2014!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 30, 2013, 06:36:47 PM
I agree that he seems settled and happy here and i've read quotes from him roughly says he feels he owes the club. Sign him up for 4+ years and let him loose on the Prem. Play the lad  upfront and he can be a starting player for up by next season. He'll only get better with Minutes on the pitch.

Long and Berg should not be getting any pitch time instead of Saido once he's signed (I think they're both good lads and i want them both to be happy elsewhere, but neither is a relaible goalscorer)

Sess, Saido, Vic and 1 other to be our attack by Sep 2014!
Sess is a midfielder in the main, saido vic quaglierella and either ayew or mbokani
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 30, 2013, 09:59:25 PM
I think he will stay as long as we are stabilising in the Prem.
Everton will have to do that next season!!
I would rather have the goals coming from all over the team than one man.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 02, 2013, 07:48:40 PM
Really beginning to like this lad. Appears we have a very talented young boy on our hands and hopefully we can tie him down to this new contract sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on November 02, 2013, 07:52:02 PM
Chuck him a good contract now, good wage and all that, Can talk about what hes said all day but money talks alot today and im sure his got interest, seen enough of him to know his got a very bright future ahead of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on November 02, 2013, 09:25:10 PM
he scored a cracking goal, but mulumbu was class again.. and he's the one we cant lose
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 02, 2013, 09:27:53 PM
Berahino again showed today why he has a lot of talent and serious prospects on becoming a really talented player. The goal he scored today was pure class and I think he was also good in the attacks that we had in the second half. I'm really delighted for the young lad that he is making a big impact on our season six goals already for him is a great start. Each time I see him he gets better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 02, 2013, 09:44:37 PM
Imagine what he could do in his natural position!!  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mat15(MH) on November 02, 2013, 09:48:54 PM
Imagine what he could do in his natural position!!  ;D

He's going to have to start playing there soon, no way Clarke can justify picking any of our others strikers over him if he keeps scoring and they don't.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on November 02, 2013, 10:34:23 PM
Imagine what he could do in his natural position!!  ;D

I'm not sure if Saido is ready to play there yet for us. I like him on the wings for us atm.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on November 02, 2013, 10:37:07 PM
Clarke got it correct when he said that aside from his goalscoring its his all round game and defensive capabilities that really show what a good player he is.

He really supported Amalfitano on the right hand side today in what could have been a vary tough situation when Jones went off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 02, 2013, 10:41:47 PM
Clarke got it correct when he said that aside from his goalscoring its his all round game and defensive capabilities that really show what a good player he is.

He really supported Amalfitano on the right hand side today in what could have been a vary tough situation when Jones went off.

Agree with that, but that finish was so good, he hits it accurately, with power, but most of all, he takes the shot so early, very impressive.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on November 02, 2013, 10:45:42 PM
Agree with that, but that finish was so good, he hits it accurately, with power, but most of all, he takes the shot so early, very impressive.

I thought it wasn't that hard, but Saido made the most of a difficult ball after it bounced a bit awkward. To me it was more a Michu like finish not the hardest but expertly placed. Clive Allen used to score goals like that back in the day for Tottenham. SKP is another who had (has) a cool head in those situations. Know where to put it, concentrate on getting a good hit on the ball and shoot fast before the keeper is ready.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 02, 2013, 10:49:34 PM
I thought it wasn't that hard, but Saido made the most of a difficult ball after it bounced a bit awkward. To me it was more a Michu like finish not the hardest but expertly placed. Clive Allen used to score goals like that back in the day for Tottenham. SKP is another who had (has) a cool head in those situations. Know where to put it, concentrate on getting a good hit on the ball and shoot fast before the keeper is ready.

More of a general comment on his finishing, its the taking it so early that sets him apart.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on November 02, 2013, 10:55:50 PM
More of a general comment on his finishing, its the taking it so early that sets him apart.

Aye, and accuracy :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on November 02, 2013, 11:15:56 PM
Dont really care what else he can or cant do just give him quick accurate service in the penalty area and goalkeepers are going to be demanding overtime payments,he could well go on to be a top top goalscorer ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 02, 2013, 11:18:05 PM
Knows where the goal is from all ranges with both feet... A very exciting prospect who should be embraced into the starting XI and allowed to show what he can do.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbasoprano on November 02, 2013, 11:26:39 PM
He's 20, not 16, play him every week if he is fit. Our best finisher by a mile.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 02, 2013, 11:49:02 PM
He's 20, not 16, play him every week if he is fit. Our best finisher by a mile.
Exactly Lukaku was 19? If we don't play him we could lose him to someone on mega bucks who will not play him either!  ;)
In our side he looks well! 8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 03, 2013, 08:25:26 AM
I'm not sure if Saido is ready to play there yet for us. I like him on the wings for us atm.
Can't agree, would Liverpool have played micheal Owen out wide?
Yesterday he had to sit on the bench and watch an experienced forward (who's not as good as Berahino ) start the match, then due to injury he gets on, scores but is still expected to stay wide right.
If I were him I'd have reservations about signing the contract?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on November 03, 2013, 09:49:42 AM
Can he lead the line though? I honestly don't know. Need to try him there to find out.

He has the one killer attribute that sets players like Owen, Defoe and SKP apart from average strikers - Instinct.

Watch his goal against United, and I haven't seen the goal but by the way it sounds as described by you guys sounds like it was a very instinctive goal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionwarrior on November 03, 2013, 10:21:03 AM
Looks like a smart, really decent young man.

I'm sure the club are in the process of tying him up on a long term deal, and he deserves it......

No doubt in the future, if he progresses at this rate, he will be a sought after player and will move on, (That's the way things work generally isn't it). The club will cash in and so will Saido.

I hope he stays and it's very much down to him I would think, he reminds me a little of Lukaku's attitude and comments of last season ..... integrity is often in short supply in our game and it would appear that Saido may just have that X factor
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 03, 2013, 02:44:48 PM
I'd keep him out wide for the time being to be honest with Anichebe as the main striker, yes he's 20 and he is good enough from what we've seen so far to play in this division, not going to dispute that but he is still learning at this level and the last thing he needs is the added pressure of being the main striker, getting the crap kicked out of him week in week out and having a few games without a goal just for people to turn round and start knocking him. The club are doing it the right way at the moment whether thats by good judgement or just good fortune (bit of both at times). Next season is the one that will make or break him at this level for me and thats the season he could become the main striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: JtheMull on November 03, 2013, 04:21:03 PM
Daily Mail saying that Hodgson is ready to call him up for the friendliest and maybe even the World Cup squad! Garlick needs to sign him up to a new deal now!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on November 03, 2013, 04:44:42 PM

I'd keep him out wide for the time being to be honest with Anichebe as the main striker, yes he's 20 and he is good enough from what we've seen so far to play in this division, not going to dispute that but he is still learning at this level and the last thing he needs is the added pressure of being the main striker, getting the crap kicked out of him week in week out and having a few games without a goal just for people to turn round and start knocking him. The club are doing it the right way at the moment whether thats by good judgement or just good fortune (bit of both at times). Next season is the one that will make or break him at this level for me and thats the season he could become the main striker.

I think those are all very good points, from the point of view of the player's development, It's going to be harder to maintain the longer the other strikers don't score though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 03, 2013, 06:10:34 PM
Its currently working with him out wide so why not keep him there for a while to develop his game further. I'm happy enough to see the lad come in and out of the team, no need to over do it just yet but he is doing a great job of making it very difficult for Steve Clarke not to start him regularly.

His goal yesterday was superb, found plenty of space and showed great composure with a finish any top striker would have been proud of. He must be on cloud nine at the moment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 03, 2013, 09:17:11 PM
Its currently working with him out wide so why not keep him there for a while to develop his game further. I'm happy enough to see the lad come in and out of the team, no need to over do it just yet but he is doing a great job of making it very difficult for Steve Clarke not to start him regularly.

His goal yesterday was superb, found plenty of space and showed great composure with a finish any top striker would have been proud of. He must be on cloud nine at the moment.
I agree. It's going to be good for Saido in his career to be versatile enough to play anywhere across the front 3. When he eventually goes to a bigger club and gets into the England squad, that versatility will help him. He's also scored at least 5 goals for us this season when filling a wide role - as long as he has license to come in and take up goal scoring positions which he seems to have, then I can't see the problem.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 04, 2013, 07:45:26 PM
I agree. It's going to be good for Saido in his career to be versatile enough to play anywhere across the front 3. When he eventually goes to a bigger club and gets into the England squad, that versatility will help him. He's also scored at least 5 goals for us this season when filling a wide role - as long as he has license to come in and take up goal scoring positions which he seems to have, then I can't see the problem.
Maybe, but what if playing central he would have scored another 3?, this could be worth another 3-6 points already and (and I keep saying it) if he sees himself as a central striker it could influence the decision on signing the contract?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on November 04, 2013, 08:10:04 PM
He's adapted to play on the wing this season, done well there. Keep playing him there. That doesn't mean he won't ever play central. Expect him there next season really!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbastrollers on November 04, 2013, 08:28:15 PM
Maybe, but what if playing central he would have scored another 3?, this could be worth another 3-6 points already and (and I keep saying it) if he sees himself as a central striker it could influence the decision on signing the contract?

I get your point now zippy,however, I only partially agree - been held to ransom by a young whippersnapper is beyond the pale, then again he could be the striker that will make our season.
I think I will leave to  SC, thats what he is paid for ;) 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on November 05, 2013, 12:10:15 AM
According to the Daily Mirror, Monaco are after him!

Need to sign him up on a mega deal asap otherwise we will lose him for peanuts.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dubya BA on November 05, 2013, 12:25:50 AM
I bet Stoke City would love to have him right now but as for Chelsea, Arsenal or Monaco-I'm not so sure.

All the same we need to show him that we appreciate his talents. Potentially I think Saido could play at Champions League level but he already seems to have realised that you have to keep working on keeping what you have already got.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on November 05, 2013, 07:16:24 AM
I expect him to sign for us based on what I've read and heard about him but all this speculation is making me nervous right now. Hope he signs soon (this week) as it would give fans and team a boost.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on November 05, 2013, 09:20:25 AM
The hype surrounding him is ridiculous while he has done well in his appearances thus far this season he is way short of being a regular starter at a Champions League club nor is he ready for a full international debut. I really hope Roy does not call him up this week it is not in either our interests or the player's.

Given that he is getting game time here and critically there are question marks over the futures of all of the other strikers at the club with the possible exception of Anichebe his opportunities to play regularly are going to be greater with us than elsewhere. Maybe full international honours and Champions League football await him but for the next couple of years at least he will be better off continuing his development with us. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 05, 2013, 10:10:22 AM
The hype surrounding him is ridiculous while he has done well in his appearances thus far this season he is way short of being a regular starter at a Champions League club nor is he ready for a full international debut. I really hope Roy does not call him up this week it is not in either our interests or the player's.

Given that he is getting game time here and critically there are question marks over the futures of all of the other strikers at the club with the possible exception of Anichebe his opportunities to play regularly are going to be greater with us than elsewhere. Maybe full international honours and Champions League football await him but for the next couple of years at least he will be better off continuing his development with us.
Fully agree , it's way over the top and he isn't ready to be our main striker yet let alone get full honours.
I would hope Roy has more sense than to pick Saido , remember the ghost of Michael Ricketts!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies54 on November 05, 2013, 10:36:35 AM
The hype surrounding him is ridiculous while he has done well in his appearances thus far this season he is way short of being a regular starter at a Champions League club nor is he ready for a full international debut. I really hope Roy does not call him up this week it is not in either our interests or the player's.

Given that he is getting game time here and critically there are question marks over the futures of all of the other strikers at the club with the possible exception of Anichebe his opportunities to play regularly are going to be greater with us than elsewhere. Maybe full international honours and Champions League football await him but for the next couple of years at least he will be better off continuing his development with us.

At last a poster with a bit of common sense, Berahino is a good player(but by no means perfect) and one we should protecting from national vitriol should he fail at the top level, for now at least.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 05, 2013, 11:42:43 AM
Agree with Standaman's post, whilst he's made a promising start to this season, he still has a lot of developing to do before he can be considered as a first choice in my opinion and I do expect him to drop back down to the bench once Scott Sinclair returns from his injury. I like any other Albion fan want Berahino to stay and hope that in this time he keeps his feet on the ground but talk of England call ups, Champions League and these big clubs is for me, at the moment, is out doing his ability. I think he can have a successful England career in the future, he has plenty of time on his hands and hopefully he isn't rushed into the squads because he's the current flavour of the month.

Hopefully he can sign his new contract and all this hype and expectation surrounding him can ease slightly so we can allow Saido to improve his game without the burdens of our expectations.

I have to say, I'm also impressed with how Steve Clarke has handled this situation. Slamming the speculation, calming the expectation and using Berahino at times when it's appropriate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 05, 2013, 11:44:59 AM
Think he is going to be star.

He has so much talent and is big and strong with it.

Far from polished but you can see clearly through this rough diamond, better than Defoe he will be
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 05, 2013, 01:04:34 PM
Interesting comments I saw yesterday with I think it was Morrison describing him as once having a big time attitude, completely going against anything else I have seen about him since he broke into the team. Maybe that is the reason he is only just getting in the side at 20-years-old now he has apparently changed his attitude.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 05, 2013, 01:21:42 PM
Interesting comments I saw yesterday with I think it was Morrison describing him as once having a big time attitude, completely going against anything else I have seen about him since he broke into the team. Maybe that is the reason he is only just getting in the side at 20-years-old now he has apparently changed his attitude.
it's one reason he fell out at Brentford, not happy at being subbed, he took to twitter and lambasted the club and Rosler for it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on November 05, 2013, 01:30:52 PM
Its also easy to slip back into having that attitude now he is creating headlines.

This is where good management comes in to keep his feet on the ground.

The worry for me is whether his agents are pushing him towards a move or advising him to sign a contract with us and play premier league games.

I genuinely hope that he signs a long term (say 4 year contract) with us giving him performance related bonuses or pay increases along the way.   It will benefit his career in terms of development.  Lets just hope his advisors see it that way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 05, 2013, 01:33:19 PM
Interesting comments I saw yesterday with I think it was Morrison describing him as once having a big time attitude, completely going against anything else I have seen about him since he broke into the team. Maybe that is the reason he is only just getting in the side at 20-years-old now he has apparently changed his attitude.

I'm sure I've read somewhere that he's had a barney with Mulumbu who also put him back in his place.

Think it may have been in The Mirror.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 06, 2013, 02:39:09 PM
I'm sure I've read somewhere that he's had a barney with Mulumbu who also put him back in his place.

Think it may have been in The Mirror.

The hallmark of authenticity  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 07, 2013, 12:40:30 PM
Hasn't made it into the latest England squad. Must have been close though if Jay Rodriguez is in it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 07, 2013, 12:46:42 PM
Hasn't made it into the latest England squad. Must have been close drawn with straws though if Jay Rodriguez is in it.  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 07, 2013, 12:48:20 PM
He's been included in the Under 21s squad.

Apparently, Southgate asked Hodgson if he could have Berahino, Shaw and Morrison for the important qualifiers coming up.

I'm actually happy with that decision.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 07, 2013, 12:52:02 PM
I'm pleased that Berahino is in the U21 squad. I think it could be a bigger and tougher challenge for him to play in games in which England need to win rather than friendlies. I still think that he needs more time in the Premiership before he can make the step up into the full national side. If he continues to show this form then I think a call up to the senior side isn't too far off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on November 07, 2013, 12:59:56 PM
He's been included in the Under 21s squad.

Apparently, Southgate asked Hodgson if he could have Berahino, Shaw and Morrison for the important qualifiers coming up.

I'm actually happy with that decision.

If you're right that's great news. Much rather he was playing in matches that matter - real competitive football for his development. Also shows he is rated/ important in the U21 set up - there are some good players in that team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 07, 2013, 04:24:16 PM
How to pronounce his name, straight from the horses mouth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsTu5RtA21c

More.. "Berra-heino"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on November 07, 2013, 04:41:31 PM
Good decision for all involved really, an England cap would attract even more unwanted attention before his contracts signed, and for him, I think for him its an awful lot of pressure to dump on him when he was only about our 5th or 6th choice striker back in August.

If he carries on doing well for us and scoring in the league he should get given his chance in the March friendlies though, till then lets hope he keeps it up. We could feasibly have 2 players in the world cup squad this year.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on November 08, 2013, 07:33:01 PM
Very confusing im just going to call him burito to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 08, 2013, 08:30:47 PM
Peterborough fans took to calling him "Dave" during his loan spell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on November 13, 2013, 03:19:11 PM
Hope the reports on here are not true that he has refused to sign a new deal, desperate news.  Been tapped up by the big boys again, and his agent with itchy palms.  We need to push the boat out or we will lose him for peanuts yet again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 13, 2013, 03:33:47 PM
Hope the reports on here are not true that he has refused to sign a new deal, desperate news.  Been tapped up by the big boys again, and his agent with itchy palms.  We need to push the boat out or we will lose him for peanuts yet again.

Reports that he has refused to sign a new deal? Where are these, have heard nothing bar a few murmurings from the club a couple of weeks back that they were confident a deal would soon be done?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on November 13, 2013, 03:46:11 PM
Chris Lepkowski on Twitter two hours ago: "He'll sign a new deal at some point.  Contracted till 2015 so other clubs interest irrelevant in many ways."

Panic ye not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 14, 2013, 08:26:21 PM
Just scored again for the England Under 21s.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AidantheBaggies on November 14, 2013, 08:50:31 PM
Two good goals, looking a real talent.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 14, 2013, 08:54:19 PM
Much better served playing and scoring for the under 21's tonight in a competitive fixture than sitting on the bench for the senior side for friendlies.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jasonbot on November 14, 2013, 09:14:32 PM
Just scored again for the England Under 21s.

Why cant he just keep a low profile >_>
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on November 14, 2013, 09:43:02 PM
Much better served playing and scoring for the under 21's tonight in a competitive fixture than sitting on the bench for the senior side for friendlies.

very very true....


These young talents need to play and not sit on the bench...


U21s is much better for him than Seniors

West Brom is much better for him than reserve for the reserve bench at a supposedly "Big Club".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 14, 2013, 09:47:57 PM
Scored again in stoppage time  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on November 14, 2013, 09:48:35 PM
Peace will be rubbing his hands so hard they will be smoking...thats another million on his price tag...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Blakey on November 14, 2013, 09:58:06 PM
cant wait to see tomorrows papers with more links to more top clubs please please sign the lad up don't let him be snapped up for peanuts
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 14, 2013, 10:58:21 PM
This lad signing a 4+ year contract and Albion finishing above Villa are my two goals for the season.

Starting striker for us next season. Morgan on the right, Sess in the hole and someone decent on the left.... A great attacking lineup!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on November 15, 2013, 07:06:39 AM
Sounds like he hit the woodwork twice also!! Get him up front for us!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on November 15, 2013, 10:42:22 AM
Top scorer for the under 21's is apparently Alan Shearer with 13 goals in 11 games.

I personally dont think hes ready for the first team so with 6 in 4, Saido could rival that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 15, 2013, 11:01:40 AM
The guy is an absolute gem, he finishes so easily its too natural.

I agree the lad needs to play up front as the main striker, when you have someone with that kind of finishing ability you dont play them on the wing (even though for development it could do him good).

we need to embrace the striking skills and give the lad his opportunity.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on November 15, 2013, 11:34:04 AM
I'd start him against Villa.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 15, 2013, 11:51:24 AM
The guy is an absolute gem, he finishes so easily its too natural.

I agree the lad needs to play up front as the main striker, when you have someone with that kind of finishing ability you dont play them on the wing (even though for development it could do him good).

we need to embrace the striking skills and give the lad his opportunity.
His game isn't developed enough to play up front on his own in my opinion and nor is his body.  Berahino seems to be a striker whose sharp in and around the box and has pace to play off the shoulder of defenders.  Working off a pivotal experienced striker such as Long, Anichebe or Anelka suits him best for the time being.  I wouldn't want to burden him or pressure his development by making him our focal striker.

The formation we play suits his game well, in what is a wide attacking role, I wouldn't say he is being asked to play as an 'out n' out' winger but part of a three pronged attack, where the wider players are slightly deeper than the central striker.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 15, 2013, 11:55:00 AM
im just saying he serves his chance as the main striker..

he looks strong to me, has great control and boy can he finish
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 15, 2013, 01:13:17 PM
im just saying he serves his chance as the main striker..

he looks strong to me, has great control and boy can he finish

I think he will benefit from playing the wider role that he has been for us so far, developing different parts of his game and doesn't have a centre-half kicking him all game. There is less pressure on him out wide than being the lone striker, he's certainly doing a good job there so far.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 15, 2013, 01:24:47 PM
I see his booking last night means he is suspended for Tuesdays Qualifier. I presume that there's nothing to stop Roy calling him into the senior squad though as their game is a friendly ?

Come on Roy make his day  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 15, 2013, 01:49:06 PM
Make his agents day more like, that would probably be another 10k a week added to his demands
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on November 15, 2013, 04:18:30 PM
He's banned from the u21's next game for lifting up his top to say 'RIP love u dad'. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 15, 2013, 05:11:40 PM
He's banned from the u21's next game for lifting up his top to say 'RIP love u dad'. Unbelievable.

Apparently it's a strict rule and Southgate said if he'd known he had it on he would have made him take it off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 15, 2013, 05:17:02 PM
I'm really pleased that he scored twice last night shame that he wont be able to play in the game against San Marino. That is six goals in just four appearances for the England U21s. I am really sorry to hear about the passing of his Father. I think booking players for lifting your shirt is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 15, 2013, 05:38:35 PM
I wish we'd hurry up and get a new contract sorted for the lad before the vultures start swooping!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 15, 2013, 06:57:14 PM
I think as someone else has pointed out it isn't in his agents interest for us to sell him at the moment as we wouldn't get as much due to his current situation & therefore the agents %age cut of his fee will be lower then if he was sold on a decent contract with a few years left.

(made sense to me when I was writing it)  :-[ 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 15, 2013, 07:45:12 PM
Apparently it's a strict rule and Southgate said if he'd known he had it on he would have made him take it off.

Almost as farcical as having touchline technology and not using it isn't it.... BTW, go Mr. Peace, create war....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: petethebaggie on November 15, 2013, 08:56:02 PM
I dunno. My Dad loves him and he can be right occasionally, he doesn't seem to care how old he is or whether he has Prem experience or whether we need to phase him in gently. He is probably right did Regis, Cunnigham, Robson or even Brown get managed gently? The kids got talent play him every week that simple. I am more pragmatic perhaps we should play him on the left and let Long or Anichebe lead the line, great player to have and how exciting. As someone once said the future is bright in blue and white!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 16, 2013, 03:26:05 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2508070/Saido-Berahino-wants-to-2014-World-Cup-England.html

The comments at the end, if accurate, are a big concern.




Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on November 16, 2013, 09:41:52 AM
I don't see how we could lose him for 300k. He's 20 and a pro. It's a load of garbage!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Gaffer on November 16, 2013, 10:37:52 AM
Listen, for whatever faults he has has anyone ever known Jeremy sell us short? Trust him, he won't, if Saido leaves Albion it will be for ridiculous money that will strengthen our squad considerably. If he doesn't leave we have a fantastic new prospect. Either way it is win - win.

Don't worry folks - Chill.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on November 16, 2013, 11:11:02 AM
That is spot on this is not the Albion of the early eighties.  Peace knows the importance of trying to keep Berahino but will be be held to ransom and if a move happens it will be as The Gaffer says for money that will further improve our squad as a whole.

Remember we sold one of our best young up and coming forwards in 2001 and look where that took us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies54 on November 16, 2013, 02:02:12 PM
The taking off or pulling his shirt over his head was just another part of his naivety, common sense thing would be to wait for the changing of shirts at the end nobody gets booked for it and his message would be there for all to see, he could even walk up to the camera and show the world.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fireymoosse on November 16, 2013, 08:35:21 PM
He will be gone in January :-\
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on November 16, 2013, 10:16:53 PM
He will be gone in January :-\

So will Benteke 8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on November 17, 2013, 03:47:29 PM
He will be gone in January :-\
Hopefully the Vile will be relegated come January...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on November 17, 2013, 03:51:13 PM
Hopefully the Vile will be relegated come January...

Hopefully? How about probably?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: fireymoosse on November 17, 2013, 06:37:33 PM
I really hope we can keep hold on him, alas I do believe he will be gone in January, as I doubt we can match his or his agents aspirations, hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on November 17, 2013, 06:38:33 PM
I really hope we can keep hold on him, alas I do believe he will be gone in January, as I doubt we can match his or his agents aspirations, hope I'm wrong.

Stop fishing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 17, 2013, 07:17:18 PM
How the **** will he be gone in january when he's under contract until 2015 . HOW MANY MORE TIMES !!!!

AAAAAAAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 17, 2013, 07:38:16 PM
How the **** will he be gone in january when he's under contract until 2015 . HOW MANY MORE TIMES !!!!

AAAAAAAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets put it this way mate, I don't think the the poster you've replied to will be standing on the Brummie Rd a week tomorrow (read his other post's)  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 18, 2013, 07:14:59 PM
Oh please.
Indeed mate, I've given up trying !!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 18, 2013, 07:15:45 PM
Lets put it this way mate, I don't think the the poster you've replied to will be standing on the Brummie Rd a week tomorrow (read his other post's)  ;)
Oh I hope he will be so I can administer some ;-)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 18, 2013, 10:51:02 PM
I think if someone like say, Everton, Newcastle, Southampton, West Ham wanted to try to prise him away - they would be chasing a highly promising striker who is a regular for England under 21s. 20k would probably be the starting point on wages.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on November 19, 2013, 11:30:58 AM
I think if someone like say, Everton, Newcastle, Southampton, West Ham wanted to try to prise him away - they would be chasing a highly promising striker who is a regular for England under 21s. 20k would probably be the starting point on wages.

20k ???

This is what is wrong with the English game, plays a few games, rewarded with a massive contract.

IMO Berahino hasnt shown me anything other than being a decent player, hasnt blown anyone away has he
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 19, 2013, 01:28:31 PM
20k ???

This is what is wrong with the English game, plays a few games, rewarded with a massive contract.

IMO Berahino hasnt shown me anything other than being a decent player, hasnt blown anyone away has he
Quite right , we should offer him a really small contract , that way he will still stay with us and send out the right message to others ??? ???
Back in the real world....O hara is on 40k plus , are you honestly telling me Saido should not be on the (around) 25k that the club will offer ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 19, 2013, 01:42:41 PM
Quite right , we should offer him a really small contract , that way he will still stay with us and send out the right message to others ??? ???
Back in the real world....O hara is on 40k plus , are you honestly telling me Saido should not be on the (around) 25k that the club will offer ?
I think it was more of a general term, your example of O'hara is actually backing what he said... paid a huge amount of money when in reality he's done nothing hugely out of the ordinary to warrant it. I feel it's mostly a critique of football salaries as a whole.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on November 19, 2013, 02:26:06 PM
Brunt, Anichebe, Ridewell, Morrison -- All with over 100/200 Premier League games, full internationals etc etc

The ntoe regarding O'Hara, yes we all know he isnt that good anymore, but at the point of signing, O'Hara was playing well.

He had a great year at Pompey etc. Again, he had many more appearances than the 7/8 Saido has got.

Look at Sterling from last year, Connor Wickham, Francis Jeffers etc. DO NOT BUY INTO THE MEDIA HYPE! Saido will only ever be a very good premier league player, similar mould/career to Jermaine Defoe etc.

He is no Rooney, Messi, Ronaldo etc. BY this i mean he will never be the truly 'world class' player some are bigging him up to be.

Yes he will be good, if he has half the career/goals Defoe has got then weve found a talented kid, but lets not jump the gun.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 19, 2013, 06:37:13 PM
If it was announced tomorrow that the club had signed him on a 4 year contract at 20k a week I'd be delighted.
In an ideal world of non inflated wages for footballers it would be great to sign him up on 4 or 5k and bring him through gradually but that's not going to happen.
I'd be stunned if prem clubs with a bit more cash to splash than us tried to get him but only on wages of 10k - it would be a non starter so I think they will try to lure him with 20k plus - could be comfortably more.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 20, 2013, 10:51:01 AM
Either way his next contract will make him a millionaire....

8-10k a week tops he is still a millionaire but he has to progress at the current rate and keeps his feet on the ground to earn the 20-30k level people are talking about
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 20, 2013, 11:24:10 AM
my personal opinion is that he will score a sackful of goals over the next few years.

has to be managed well too for him, but he has big characters who are top top players around him and he will learn his trade well staying and playing with us and with this group of players.

but its still early days with him, plenty of time to get a move if he keeps getting better
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie53 on November 20, 2013, 01:33:21 PM
After the 9-0 goal fest last night I bet he regrets his booking in the previous match
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 20, 2013, 02:43:38 PM
Either way his next contract will make him a millionaire....

8-10k a week tops he is still a millionaire but he has to progress at the current rate and keeps his feet on the ground to earn the 20-30k level people are talking about


no he isn't, 20K a week gets you a million a year 8-10 K gets you roughly 400,000 or 500,000 a year.
I think your figure of 8-10K a week is in the right ball park though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 20, 2013, 03:12:31 PM
3 or 4 year contract though makes it 1.6-2 million

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 20, 2013, 03:23:09 PM
3 or 4 year contract though makes it 1.6-2 million

yes, sorry I misunderstood your post.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionwarrior on November 20, 2013, 04:22:06 PM
Newsnow rumours are suggesting his is about to sign ..... Even the BBC???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 20, 2013, 04:50:32 PM
yes, sorry I misunderstood your post.

no worries easy misunderstanding.

until he does it does it consistently over a period he isn't worth more than 10k a week





Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on November 20, 2013, 05:09:56 PM
He tweets some odd things....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: liam-zuiverloon on November 20, 2013, 10:12:45 PM
After the 9-0 goal fest last night I bet he regrets his booking in the previous match

Don't think he'll regret it, a nice touch from the boy to honour his father. Disgraceful that the referee booked him
for it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on November 21, 2013, 09:19:36 AM
If the deal is as reported it is excellent deal from the club's point of view. It secures him for at least another two years and allows us to offer him new contracts as he progresses without busting the club's wage structure. Hopefully he signs and the rumours of his departure can be put to bed for the time being.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on November 21, 2013, 08:49:18 PM
Excellent news but will be happier when we have him actually singed.
Very important for both the club and the player to have him settled and continuing to develop over the next few seasons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bob on November 22, 2013, 01:09:02 PM
If he does turn out to be a "defoe level" player (and that's a very big if) then you have to accept he will not be playing for us in 3 years anyway

All we can do is maximise the fee we would get for him which I have every confidence the club will do.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 26, 2013, 08:19:01 AM
Should have featured last night at some stage.Continuously proving his worth for the U21s hes going to become frustrated at the Albion
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on November 26, 2013, 08:24:36 AM
I think Long was knackered, i'd have liked to see Saido on after 80mins
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on November 26, 2013, 09:20:12 AM
Did anyone note the last few paragraphs of this article about a supposed Saido tweet? Hmmm ... ::)
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/article/165/9042644/-
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on November 26, 2013, 09:59:27 AM
Rather tiresome story Berahino makes a fairly random tweet "Time to be Selfish" the Twittersphere erupts with Baggies fans jumping to conclusions and giving the kid abuse. There are times I despair, those people giving him abuse should be ashamed of themselves.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 26, 2013, 10:02:07 AM
SBerahino
Wtf clearly people dont know me, do i look that immature to talk about my future on here, but thanks for the abuse. Godbless

Who are these muppets who abuse our own players all the time and people wonder why footballers don't feel affiliated to football clubs. No wonder, so many fickle twats about.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 26, 2013, 10:03:11 AM
Rather tiresome story Berahino makes a fairly random tweet "Time to be Selfish" the Twittersphere erupts with Baggies fans jumping to conclusions and giving the kid abuse. There are times I despair, those people giving him abuse should be ashamed of themselves.

Indeed mate, he could have been eating the last chocolate hobnob in the packet for all we know, yet some can wait to give him the "Izzy Brown" treatment. It's pathetic and hopefully he'll realise it's just a few no marks and sign the deal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggies54 on November 26, 2013, 10:19:33 AM
Indeed mate, he could have been eating the last chocolate hobnob in the packet for all we know, yet some can wait to give him the "Izzy Brown" treatment. It's pathetic and hopefully he'll realise it's just a few no marks and sign the deal.

I think you two have probably got that spot on and it was most likely a chocolate hobnob, because I think he loves his mum enough to give her his last Rolo.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on November 26, 2013, 10:22:22 AM
I think thats the downside to social networking, people can have instant access, give abuse and hide behind a keyboard.

I could be wrong but i am sure i read last night Clarke had said that Albion had expected Berahino to of signed his deal but there was a delay and it was agent related or something like that. People immediate over react and assume he is a money grabbing so and so and the abuse started.

I think he probably has a thick skin and wouldnt be too bothered by a few abusive tweets, i think the 20k plus inside the ground let him know their thoughts better than a few keyboard warriors!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on November 26, 2013, 02:59:54 PM
Hopefully just a storm in the social media teacup then - with chocolate hobnob of course!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 26, 2013, 03:21:09 PM
I was hoping it would be announced as a good news event on the day of the Villa match but not the case. Reading what Clarke said it sounds as though the club would be reluctant to increase the deal that's now in front of Saido - hope it gets done.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on November 26, 2013, 07:37:44 PM
so many plonkers about! quit messing with the guys head to these guys posting this verbal abuse
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnthebaggie on November 26, 2013, 08:22:52 PM
To be honest, I can't believe how naive footballers are to post daft comments like that and not expect idiots to respond with abusive comments.

Ok, it is not the scandal of the century to say "time to be selfish" and who knows what he meant, but, in the context of his situation he was stupid to post such a comment.

Of course people are free to post whatever they like, but high profile tweeters should really know better.

As for his contract situation, he is at the club till at least June 2015, with our option clause.

I don't honestly believe he'll want to be on 850 pound a week till then so a deal will more than likely be reached, probably with a get out clause or two should any large bids come in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on November 27, 2013, 12:03:15 AM
The BBC stated last week (20th) that a new long-term contract would be signed in the coming days whatever the number of days that could mean. They normally don't quote something unless it is pretty definite. So 7 days on and still no confirmation. Are there now more complications or problems?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on November 27, 2013, 02:42:12 PM
This fella should be getting more game time.Bringing Anechibe on at home instead was a joke
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 27, 2013, 02:52:23 PM
This fella should be getting more game time.Bringing Anechibe on at home instead was a joke

I understood the decision. We were under pressure most of the second half, clearing the ball up the pitch and it wasn't sticking it just came back at us all the time. When Anichebe came on he went some way to holding the ball up and take some of the pressure off so I certainly don't see the decision as a joke. Possibly should have had a chance to replace Long at some point in that game but he's still inexperienced but will get the chances he needs if he keeps his head straight, we have no idea how the contract speculation has affected him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: row ww on November 27, 2013, 03:30:31 PM
Think the tone has changed a little within the Club recently about Saido.Clarkes recent comment about the fact that SC himself thinks Saido has been offered a very good deal,suggests that the Club have made their final offer.He is on contract till 2015 anyway,so cant see him going anywhere else in the short Term.It seems interesting to me that he has hardly had a kick for the first Team recently,Perhaps Clarke thinks Saido is reverting back to his old ways,and is showing signs of getting carried away by his own importance a bit! Obviously I don't know,just speculation,lets hope he signs the new deal quickly,and lets see him back in the first Team again!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 27, 2013, 10:28:14 PM
Yes I was wondering if the contract situation might have influenced the fact he didn't come on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 28, 2013, 08:39:43 AM
Is it the Dingles giving him grief on tweeter 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 28, 2013, 10:05:41 AM
Is it the Dingles giving him grief on tweeter

Sadly not mate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 28, 2013, 10:28:09 AM
One of the reasons twitter is a bad thing for people like Saido. On one hand he's asking for trouble posting such cryptic messages on there and on the other some people simply shouldn't be allowed to use such sites if they can't interact with others without insulting them regardless of the situation. I know I wouldn't use sites like that if I was a footballer at a high level.

I'm still hopeful he will sign a new deal soon and that he will continue to kick on for us in time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: M666EYS on November 28, 2013, 11:48:25 AM
im wondering if hes stalling on a new deal, and thats the reason why we aint played much part in the last 2 games? seemed strange we needed an outlet on monday and he wasnt called upon.

hope it gets sorted soon, because this kid is special.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on November 28, 2013, 03:53:00 PM

West Bromwich Albion
18 seconds ago
Steve Clarke: '"I'm confident Saido Berahino will sign a new contract within the next 24 hours"
Full story to come at www.wba.co.uk
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on November 28, 2013, 04:15:58 PM
Brilliant news - put him in tomorrow to scare the Geordies
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tucka9 on November 28, 2013, 09:49:29 PM
Apparently a 3 and half year deal worth 20k a week, that's one hell of a pay rise.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on November 28, 2013, 10:34:01 PM
Reading between the lines the deal is already done - just waiting for headline catching press conference tomorrow.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnthebaggie on November 28, 2013, 10:51:03 PM
Great news if it happens.....lol.

Seriously, it's about time someone came through the system for us having invested heavily in young players. Let's hope he proves his worth.

My only concern is that the sudden leap in income may send him off the rails so to speak as it often does with young players suddenly having money to burn.

He seems quite level headed with decent family support so fingers crossed it works out for all parties.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on November 29, 2013, 08:01:50 AM
Excellent news, bring it on Saido!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 29, 2013, 09:14:27 AM
Speaking of youth players in general, is anyone else disappointed at the lack of players who actually become regulars in the Albion first team.?

I know it's difficult being a premier team and the reluctance to try the kids in matches, discounting the cups, but it seems like ages since anyone came through for our team.
Berahino and Thorne are the 1st products from the flow blown academy system developed during Ashworth's time. If we average one per year coming through into the 1st team squad from now on then that will be a significant help to the club. As has been said, there's so much competition for team spots in the premier league now, there's bound to be a very high proportion of the academy lads who never play for the 1st team.....and of course it doesn't help when clubs pinch our brighter academy talents like Izzy Brown
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on November 29, 2013, 08:44:12 PM
Im sure that 14k will be heavily dependent on a few stipulations i.e goals, appearances etc.

I maybe wrong but I could'nt see us not protecting ourselves against a sudden loss of form or second season syndrome.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pattayabaggie on December 02, 2013, 01:00:26 PM
Great news! they can start playing him now would like to see how he would get on playing in Sessegnon's role cause he is becoming a liability in front of goal (please don't mention the chelsea goal that was another terrible strike!) i reckon he could blossom in that role if he sticks with Long up top, thoughts guys ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Greenock Baggie on December 02, 2013, 01:02:02 PM
Now perhaps Clarke will think the poor wee mite is worth a shot in the starting line-up as what I saw at Newcastle, he doesn't exactly have much competition for a place in the team !!!

Well done son, you've earned it !
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on December 02, 2013, 01:10:36 PM
Good news we needed a lift. As long as he doesn't become complacent we are onto a winner. Could be a real star for us, hopefully Clarke will play him more now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on December 02, 2013, 01:22:31 PM
Great news! they can start playing him now would like to see how he would get on playing in Sessegnon's role cause he is becoming a liability in front of goal (please don't mention the chelsea goal that was another terrible strike!) i reckon he could blossom in that role if he sticks with Long up top, thoughts guys ?

Agree with that 100%!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on December 02, 2013, 04:36:48 PM
I would stick with Sess in that role - he's not playing as a striker. Assuming we are playing passing football he's the player most able to take defenders on and create some problems for the opposition. Great that Saido has signed but he's fighting it out for one of the front 3 slots in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on December 02, 2013, 08:47:28 PM
Have we got an extra years option on him?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on December 02, 2013, 09:25:06 PM
Have we got an extra years option on him?


Not that I can see anywhere.


Its low risk in a way for the club.  He isn't going to cripple the club financially over those 3 1/2 years should we get relegated.  These +1 contracts are designed to protect the club IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on December 03, 2013, 07:13:15 AM

Not that I can see anywhere.


Its low risk in a way for the club.  He isn't going to cripple the club financially over those 3 1/2 years should we get relegated.  These +1 contracts are designed to protect the club IMO.

According to either Lepko or Madely on twitter it is a straight 3 1/2 year deal with no option. Maybe that was the sticking point. We ALWAYS have an option in the clubs favour.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: pattayabaggie on December 03, 2013, 11:39:18 AM
According to either Lepko or Madely on twitter it is a straight 3 1/2 year deal with no option. Maybe that was the sticking point. We ALWAYS have an option in the clubs favour.
Lets be honest if he develops like we think he will do then he won't be at the club in 3 1/2 years time so i wouldn't worry about the option of a extra year in the clubs favour, some of the big boys already taking a keen interest in him by the sounds of it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on December 03, 2013, 11:41:47 AM
Straight into the team for me.A consistant run of games
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on December 03, 2013, 11:42:50 AM
Lets be honest if he develops like we think he will do then he won't be at the club in 3 1/2 years time so i wouldn't worry about the option of a extra year in the clubs favour, some of the big boys already taking a keen interest in him by the sounds of it

But that extra year ensures we get full value in any sale, still that is just thinking ahead, at least we have secured our most promising striker on for the next few years.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 03, 2013, 12:08:44 PM
Straight into the team for me.A consistant run of games

I think he's been managed very well so far coming in and out of the side so I see no reason to change that too much now. Its a fine balancing act we need to find, he is by no means the finished article but he needs time on the pitch to improve.

I would expect that the reason he hasn't had more game time recently is the affect the contract talks have had on him, if that is indeed the case then he doesn't have that to worry about now and should be 100% focused on improving as a player and we should benefit from that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 03, 2013, 01:12:56 PM
I think he's been managed very well so far coming in and out of the side so I see no reason to change that too much now. Its a fine balancing act we need to find, he is by no means the finished article but he needs time on the pitch to improve.

I would expect that the reason he hasn't had more game time recently is the affect the contract talks have had on him, if that is indeed the case then he doesn't have that to worry about now and should be 100% focused on improving as a player and we should benefit from that.

He has played and scored in 3 of our 4 wins this season. They need to get him into the team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 03, 2013, 01:18:15 PM
I'm sure they will get him in the team I just don't think they will be throwing him in to start every game, as I said its a fine balancing act we need to find. In that period where he scored those goals he got to a point where it was virtually impossible for Clarke to leave him out, the first chance he gets he needs to get to that standard again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 03, 2013, 02:05:58 PM
Glad it's all finally done and dusted.

I'd like to see him start against Norwich and Hull, not as a lone striker but in the hole or out wide left.

An attacking 5 of Berahino, Long, Sessegnon, Gera and Amilfitano should cause those defences problems.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie53 on December 03, 2013, 06:53:32 PM
I don't think the question of a years option is an issue at all. If he continues to progress he will have another new contract in front of him in 12 month's time, as Mulumbu did
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on January 29, 2014, 11:39:30 PM
is there a conspiracy throughout the club that restricts his time on the pitch,he hardly gets a game and is easily our best chance of a goal,in tonights express and star brunty is saying we have to be careful with him and not to play him because the expectancy might become to great for such a young player,the situation with his  time on the pitch and the predicament we are in ,is becoming beyond a joke
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on January 29, 2014, 11:43:00 PM
is there a conspiracy throughout the club that restricts his time on the pitch,he hardly gets a game and is easily our best chance of a goal,in tonights express and star brunty is saying we have to be careful with him and not to play him because the expectancy might become to great for such a young player,the situation with his  time on the pitch and the predicament we are in ,is becoming beyond a joke



How many young up and coming footballers are regularly playing for their clubs.That's nonsense
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: maximus on January 29, 2014, 11:44:54 PM


How many young up and coming footballers are regularly playing for their clubs.That's nonsense

The United lad seems to play most weeks, Januzaj.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on January 29, 2014, 11:46:44 PM
The United lad seems to play most weeks, Januzaj.


Barkley at Everton
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on January 29, 2014, 11:47:29 PM
The United lad seems to play most weeks, Januzaj.

Ross Barkley, Ravel Morrison are another 2 of the top of my head.

I would rather Saido played and either Vic or Anelka, than play Vic and Anelka together
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: valleybaggie on January 29, 2014, 11:48:13 PM
top scorer on the bench when we need to score goals to win games could you see liverpool sticking suarez on the bench for five weeks. when he's played he's looked our most potent striker  he should at least get half a game every match
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on January 29, 2014, 11:49:13 PM


How many young up and coming footballers are regularly playing for their clubs.That's nonsense
you think its nonsense that he is the best chance that we have of getting a goal,if he were at top 6 club he wouldn't play,any bottom 6 club ie us,would play him a dam sight more than we do
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 29, 2014, 11:53:04 PM
He has to be playing more from what I have seen of our strikers this season, Berahino has looked the most likely to win us games and points and the most threatening. Yet fourteen times this season he has come off the bench. He needs to be starting more games.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on January 29, 2014, 11:53:44 PM
you think its nonsense that he is the best chance that we have of getting a goal,if he were at top 6 club he wouldn't play,any bottom 6 club ie us,would play him a dam sight more than we do


I mean its nonsense we don't play him when other clubs regularly play players of the same age.Grooming and worrying about blooding him and burnout. We need him on the pitch.If you are good enough you are old enough
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dan7heman on January 30, 2014, 12:06:40 AM
The rumors are he has gone "gansta" since the contract and he's not being played due to attitude. This could all be rumor and hear'say of course.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on January 30, 2014, 12:28:09 AM
Didn't he have issues/bust up when out on loan at Brentford? Does appear to have an attitude problem which is sad when the club gave him an opportunity after escaping the civil war in Burundi.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: boing_boing68 on January 30, 2014, 12:49:00 AM
couldn't care less what his attitude is like, he is the only striker who even looks likely to put the ball in the net on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on January 30, 2014, 10:39:41 AM
I can only assume he is picked on performances in training and not match days which for me is wrong. Some players (at all levels) are great in training yet don't perform in matches and vice versa. He is not a kid anymore so all this talk of protecting him is rubbish IMO. Look at players like Rooney, Owen, Fowler, Wilshere, Barkley, Walcott etc. They have been thrown right in at very young ages and it's never caused them any problems.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 30, 2014, 11:17:54 AM
Ibrahimavic seems quite moody but would we give him 10 minutes here or there?
I may be wrong but it would seem if there was a fall out that kiely/downing are keeping a grudge and influencing Mel's thoughts?
Couldn't care less if he's turning up in a wolves tracksuit, with villa boots and bringing a posse of "bitches"to training with him....he's either good enough (so play him) or not (so sell him) and while we are on it if I was VYDRA I'd get a bloody shotgun and take out Clarke , kiely then downing , then sit down with Mel and say "look do you think 7 minutes every 3 matches is fair"?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboyfred on February 01, 2014, 01:41:06 PM
tale of 2 managers both have 20 year olds with great prospects one coach says yes he has great potential , but we must keep him grounded and bring him along slowly other coach says get out there and play son , you will make mistakes but we will live with that as long as you learn from them and put the effort in
result one coach fighting for champions league spot and his player has a full england cap , other coach 's team is being sucked into relegation battle.
no prizes for guessing the coaches were Martinez and Clarke ( we know its Mel now but he is still probably taking advice from coaching staff , lets hope he has a different view very quickly)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 01, 2014, 01:46:58 PM
tale of 2 managers both have 20 year olds with great prospects one coach says yes he has great potential , but we must keep him grounded and bring him along slowly other coach says get out there and play son , you will make mistakes but we will live with that as long as you learn from them and put the effort in
result one coach fighting for champions league spot and his player has a full england cap , other coach 's team is being sucked into relegation battle.
no prizes for guessing the coaches were Martinez and Clarke ( we know its Mel now but he is still probably taking advice from coaching staff , lets hope he has a different view very quickly)

Barkley is on a different level to Berahino, he's been in and around the Everton first team for the best part of 4 seasons and is widely tipped to go on to become a Wayne Rooney/Steven Gerrard level player. This is Berahino's first full season with us after several lower league loans.

We're handling Saido alright, I'd like to see more of him but there is clearly something amiss in either his attitude or his application.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on February 01, 2014, 04:43:23 PM
Barkley is on a different level to Berahino, he's been in and around the Everton first team for the best part of 4 seasons and is widely tipped to go on to become a Wayne Rooney/Steven Gerrard level player. This is Berahino's first full season with us after several lower league loans.

We're handling Saido alright, I'd like to see more of him but there is clearly something amiss in either his attitude or his application.

Absolutely. The club has so far nurtured Berahino's talent and physical training to the point he is able to compete in the PL. But the next part of the training is the truly crucial one, and that is the mental approach and mental strength.

There have been signs that Berahino is far from mature which is natural at that age, but if he wants to reach his full potential he needs to grow as a human being and in his application to his profession. The club is correct in handling him with care.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on February 01, 2014, 05:05:16 PM
FFS PLAY THE KID


Regardless of attitude at the moment we NEED wins desperately and we need goals and Berahino is more likely to score them than anyone else we have. We can't afford to be p##### about.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 02, 2014, 09:11:02 AM
How much of a melt down would this site have had if we said that we were going to rely on a bloke who has 30 starts in English football, mainly for Peterborough, Brentford, and Northampton as our main striker?

The bloke clearly has some talent and we should be looking to nuture it, which we are. To expect him to be the saviour of our season is a bit unrealistic and would put significant pressure on young shoulders (which have already been suggested to be immature?)

Let the professionals deal with it ;-)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 02, 2014, 01:15:40 PM
How much of a melt down would this site have had if we said that we were going to rely on a bloke who has 30 starts in English football, mainly for Peterborough, Brentford, and Northampton as our main striker?

The bloke clearly has some talent and we should be looking to nuture it, which we are. To expect him to be the saviour of our season is a bit unrealistic and would put significant pressure on young shoulders (which have already been suggested to be immature?)

Let the professionals deal with it ;-)
It's not really relying as most of our goals have been from midfield anyway.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 02, 2014, 06:08:05 PM
Looks very average when asked to play deep. Either play him up front or not at all.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbatillidie on February 02, 2014, 06:58:38 PM
Didn't see the point of sticking him out wide and deep today. Should be Vic/Anelka with Berahino/Vydra.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on February 02, 2014, 07:07:30 PM
Didn't see the point of sticking him out wide and deep today. Should be Vic/Anelka with Berahino/Vydra.

Yep. Vydra and Berahino doesn't work. Same with Anichebe and Anelka.

Need one striker to make the runs and one to provide the assists. We have good options in this regard.

Anelka/Berahino would be my favoured partnership personally.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on February 02, 2014, 07:14:11 PM
Saido is a finisher, he has a finishers instinct. I agree with others he is going to be no use wide right. Barcelona tried Lineker wide right - it didn't work, it wouldn't have worked using Michael Owen wide right, instinctive finishers need to be playing down the middle.

Berahino needs to be part of a two man attack to get the best out of him. To do that means abandoning the three man central midfield though and unfortunately we have looked better playing that way more often than not. The fact that we have no real pace in wide areas doesn't help us either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: A5HB on February 02, 2014, 09:27:11 PM
I know there is a clamour to start him all the time from a lot of fans, but I have often agreed with the policy to leave him out. I think we saw today why 3 coaches haven't seen him as a regular. The effort was there but his decision making (as you'd expect with an inexperienced player) was lacking, and Mel and Downing spent a good chunk of the first half trying to get him focused on whatever tactical instructions he was supposed to be carrying out, something they clearly didn't think he was doing. In the end they just have up with it and stuck him inside, where he could be a bit more of a free spirit and his performance did improve a little.

I have recently become a little worried about Saido. He has been brilliant this year and his rise to 1st team regular is to be commended, but I am concerned it is going to his head. Suddenly he is a big talking point, a hero for the fans and on a big new deal, it's understandable he may get a bit carried away. I first noticed against Palace in the cup that he was being very selfish, shooting when he should pass, etc. We know that he has previously had some attitude issues, and them seem to keep coming up. I'm also not sure that loads of fans constantly tweeting him all the time telling him he is amazing, should be starting etc are helping. The other players, the coaching staff and us as fans all have a job to do to help him stay on track. For me he still has an awful lot to learn and he needs to develop the selfless aspects of his game to become a regular starter.

A very talented player, who I'm sure will contribute again this year. Right now however, I think he is best coming off the bench, playing as a free spirit when we need a goal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: graka on February 02, 2014, 11:16:13 PM
need to cut him a bit of slack. a natural goalscorer who needs more minutes on the pitch be that starting or getting on from the bench. the vydra/berahino combination didn't work today but we were playing a good Liverpool team so against other teams where we create a bit more might work. if big vic could stay fit he is a good foil for saido or vydra to play off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on February 03, 2014, 09:18:24 AM
I know there is a clamour to start him all the time from a lot of fans, but I have often agreed with the policy to leave him out. I think we saw today why 3 coaches haven't seen him as a regular. The effort was there but his decision making (as you'd expect with an inexperienced player) was lacking, and Mel and Downing spent a good chunk of the first half trying to get him focused on whatever tactical instructions he was supposed to be carrying out, something they clearly didn't think he was doing. In the end they just have up with it and stuck him inside, where he could be a bit more of a free spirit and his performance did improve a little.

I have recently become a little worried about Saido. He has been brilliant this year and his rise to 1st team regular is to be commended, but I am concerned it is going to his head. Suddenly he is a big talking point, a hero for the fans and on a big new deal, it's understandable he may get a bit carried away. I first noticed against Palace in the cup that he was being very selfish, shooting when he should pass, etc. We know that he has previously had some attitude issues, and them seem to keep coming up. I'm also not sure that loads of fans constantly tweeting him all the time telling him he is amazing, should be starting etc are helping. The other players, the coaching staff and us as fans all have a job to do to help him stay on track. For me he still has an awful lot to learn and he needs to develop the selfless aspects of his game to become a regular starter.

A very talented player, who I'm sure will contribute again this year. Right now however, I think he is best coming off the bench, playing as a free spirit when we need a goal.

Both of us with the same wonderful name, both with the same opinion.

People mention his touch, but i find that one of his weakest points
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on February 03, 2014, 09:24:37 AM
Saido will be the next Chris Wood (or Woods if you are one of those fans who never pronounce names properly, you know who you are  :D ).

I think we jumped the gun offering him 10k a week or more depending on what you believe.

Hope I'm wrong though like I was when we signed McAuley.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 03, 2014, 10:05:06 AM
I thought he was largely lethargic yesterday when there were actually a number of reasons why he should have been looking to impress.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbadazza on February 03, 2014, 10:43:11 AM
It was mentioned on WM that in the first half they could see why he doesn't start every game....poor decision making, naive, etc....clearly a great talent but coming offthe bench as an impact player with a tiring defence is probably a good move at the mo....

if he keeps starting and it doesn't work out, it could murder his confidence as he still is young...lot of pressure for a young kid with no prem experience to be told he is our saviour this season!!!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on February 03, 2014, 10:44:56 AM
I think his best starting position is from the bench.
He's still learning his craft and I think the sudden exposure to national media and the talk of the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea looking at his has unsettled the lad a bit.
We shouldn't be heaping the responsibility for the way our season pans out onto his shoulders, lets get him eased into the side and back on song.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on February 03, 2014, 12:48:00 PM
Two things with Berahino firstly all young players suffer from a bit of inconsistency and secondly the least developed part of the game is their judgement, which tends to improve overtime (actually when it doesn't that is often the stumbling block in a players development). To some extent that is what we saw yesterday. Things did not go particularly well for him and he lost his way in the game.

I think it is easier for young players if the coach puts them into roles were they have a clear job I thought the deeper lying role yesterday required Sadio to make a decision as to when to join Vydra and when to hang back and too often he fell between two stools. Personally I would deploy him as a wide attacker with license to roam and instruct the full back not to get ahead of him. It gives him a clear mission without the need to worry overmuch about what is happening behind him. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on February 03, 2014, 06:18:47 PM
he seemed more concerned about defending and playing deep v Liverpool,i would carry on starting him as he is capable of beating his man,only him and sess in the whole squad can do this,his pace keeps the opposition on their toes and they will not commit in numbers when we use pacy forwards,this gives our midfield the upper hand,although a lot of fans not happy with berahino and vydra v Liverpool I think the presence of what they could potentially do pace wise,stopped Liverpool streaming forward at every oportunity
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 03, 2014, 06:28:34 PM
he seemed more concerned about defending and playing deep v Liverpool,i would carry on starting him as he is capable of beating his man,only him and sess in the whole squad can do this,his pace keeps the opposition on their toes and they will not commit in numbers when we use pacy forwards,this gives our midfield the upper hand,although a lot of fans not happy with berahino and vydra v Liverpool I think the presence of what they could potentially do pace wise,stopped Liverpool streaming forward at every oportunity

Amalfitano, Anelka, Jones, Sinclair & now Thievy ??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aztech on February 03, 2014, 06:33:43 PM
he seemed more concerned about defending and playing deep v Liverpool,i would carry on starting him as he is capable of beating his man,only him and sess in the whole squad can do this,his pace keeps the opposition on their toes and they will not commit in numbers when we use pacy forwards,this gives our midfield the upper hand,although a lot of fans not happy with berahino and vydra v Liverpool I think the presence of what they could potentially do pace wise,stopped Liverpool streaming forward at every oportunity

Whilst Berahino clearly has ability, his decision making yesterday was poor to say the least!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on February 03, 2014, 06:34:35 PM
Amalfitano, Anelka, Jones, Sinclair & now Thievy ??
amalfitano once v man utd,jones I will give you, Sinclair not in an albion shirt,anelka never,thievy who knows
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 03, 2014, 06:51:11 PM
amalfitano once v man utd, Please, have you not watched any other games this season

jones I will give you, Thanks

Sinclair not in an albion shirt, You stated SB & SS were the only squad players who could beat their man, Sinclair's injury problems have prevented a run in the team but I think your in a minority of 1 if you don't think he can beat a player

anelka never, His pace is still good & he certainly has the ability to go past defenders

thievy who knows>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juWKCoS17wU
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on February 03, 2014, 07:00:40 PM
Amalfitano did seem to have the ability start when he first came but seems to have lost it as the seasons gone on. Anelka I haven't seen this in any game he has played, composure on the ball may be but beat a man no way, Sinclair has done nothing in the few games he has played, Thievy looks great though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on February 03, 2014, 11:09:57 PM
Saido will be the next Chris Wood (or Woods if you are one of those fans who never pronounce names properly, you know who you are  :D ).

I think we jumped the gun offering him 10k a week or more depending on what you believe.

Hope I'm wrong though like I was when we signed McAuley.
In this day and age it had to be that sort of offer to get him to sign and ensure we get a decent price if someone does come in for him in the next 2 years.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Londonbaggymike on February 04, 2014, 07:46:05 AM
Been said elsewhere but surely Saido buzzing around Big Vic would create lots of chances for the lad. I'd like to see this from the start against palace.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on February 04, 2014, 10:51:20 PM
Been said elsewhere but surely Saido buzzing around Big Vic would create lots of chances for the lad. I'd like to see this from the start against palace.
I hope pepe goes for this I also think its our best option upfront
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WSBaggie on April 05, 2014, 12:24:55 AM
Well it is bizarre reading this thread after a couple of months of inactivity.

Best thing since sliced bread and now the most hated player at the club (maybe joint with Ridgewell).

Where has it all gone so wrong?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on April 05, 2014, 06:14:54 AM
Well it is bizarre reading this thread after a couple of months of inactivity.

Best thing since sliced bread and now the most hated player at the club (maybe joint with Ridgewell).

Where has it all gone so wrong?


The moment he put pen to paper on that new contract. The hunger went at that moment and he'd 'made it'.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeb-Dog on April 05, 2014, 06:45:28 AM
There was so much promise in this lad at the start of the season. Had a super start to the season but really curtailed. I've seen nothing in the second half of the season to suggest he can make it at this level. Goals have dried up and his attitude has been very poor off the field. Really needed to go out on loan and us to keep Long.

Hope the fans stick with him though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on April 05, 2014, 10:29:07 AM
Best way he could deal with this (for everybody) is to stick a couple in the back of the net and lay another on for JM today! COYB
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on April 05, 2014, 11:06:58 AM
The lad has a lot of potential and its upto him what he does with it.

He has made some mistakes, and even this week seems to of carried it on with his social media stuff, but also he is a young lad earning stupid money and he has done some stupid things, when i was his age i earnt rubbish money and did stupid things!

Its part of being young and if he has any sense he will realise what he needs to do now to be the best he can be, the last week could be the making of him, hopefully its brought him down a peg or two. Form wise i think he has been poor, but again that happens to most young players at some point, its how they bounce back.

It really is upto him, he can look back and think 'okay i was a p****k, lesson learnt and make the papers for his football talent' or he can act like that idiot at Stoke, have a comment for everything and be in the news for being an idiot rather than anything you do on the football pitch!

I hope the fans dont boo him or anything, give him another chance and see what happens, if he messes up again then judge it then, but it will be interesting to see how both Berahino and James 'Rocky' Morrison do today!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on April 05, 2014, 11:30:54 AM
The saving grace in all of this is Berahino is still young enough to learn from his mistakes but he would not be the first promising youngster to scupper his career because of an attitude problem before that career had begun. The most worrying thing about this was a comment from Chris Lepowski in a Birmingham Mail podcast was that when talking to people prior to writing the article on the dressing room bust up he couldn't find anyone at the club with a good word to say for him in which case his attitude must stink.

Hopefully he can grow up but he needs to do so quickly. How long we persevere with him remains to be seen but I suspect that if the right offer were to come in this summer we might just take the money and run. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 05, 2014, 11:47:53 AM
The lad has a lot of potential and its upto him what he does with it.

He has made some mistakes, and even this week seems to of carried it on with his social media stuff, but also he is a young lad earning stupid money and he has done some stupid things, when i was his age i earnt rubbish money and did stupid things!

Its part of being young and if he has any sense he will realise what he needs to do now to be the best he can be, the last week could be the making of him, hopefully its brought him down a peg or two. Form wise i think he has been poor, but again that happens to most young players at some point, its how they bounce back.

It really is upto him, he can look back and think 'okay i was a p****k, lesson learnt and make the papers for his football talent' or he can act like that idiot at Stoke, have a comment for everything and be in the news for being an idiot rather than anything you do on the football pitch!

I hope the fans dont boo him or anything, give him another chance and see what happens, if he messes up again then judge it then, but it will be interesting to see how both Berahino and James 'Rocky' Morrison do today!

Great that. :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on April 06, 2014, 04:23:59 PM
Did anyone catch the comments from Dean Kiely from the Beeb text commentary today?
I wonder if he had anyone particular in mind?  :-X

BBC Radio 5 live summariser Dean Kiely at Goodison ParkEverton 2-0 Arsenal

"Lukaku has detached himself from the centre-halves and has been out further wide on the right, closer to Monreal, to allow Naismith to mooch around. I couldn't help smile to myself at that goal as all of last season I saw that from him at West Brom. It was a devastating finish with the left foot. Outstanding.

"In this day and age of celebrity footballers, Romelu just wants to play football. He challenged us as coaches every day. He wants to do better. He would want to know from me each week about each goalkeeper. He will be a top-top player for many years to come."
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on April 08, 2014, 12:00:14 AM


 How long we persevere with him remains to be seen but I suspect that if the right offer were to come in this summer we might just take the money and run.

what bid do youthink we would get for him...for that golden month last year someone would have been willing to gamble 5+ but now that the truth is out what bid would we get????  What would you sell him for??  Me i'd hit a 3.5 bid IF one came in (which I doubt) . Maybe I'd live to regret it but.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albertbaggie on April 13, 2014, 08:20:43 AM
Here we go again, more bad press for the club
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/video-premier-league-star-saido-3405798
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mr taz on April 13, 2014, 08:26:32 AM
Get him out the club asap
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies_ash on April 13, 2014, 08:37:47 AM
I think it's becoming more and more apparent as to why the senior players have obviously got such a problem with him. What a farce this season is turning in to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on April 13, 2014, 08:55:46 AM
Hopefully some stupid club will come and take him away for a stupid amount. Hate the utter tool. This is what modern day football breeds. Slowly losing my passion for what used to be a wonderful sport.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on April 13, 2014, 08:59:56 AM
The club has become a laughing stock on and off the pitch this season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: royhan on April 13, 2014, 09:00:20 AM
Get him out the club asap

The problem is who will want such a player whose immaturity has seen him featured more on the front pages of the newspapers than the back pages? His ego is clearly much bigger than the ability he has shown so far,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on April 13, 2014, 09:06:12 AM
I agree. Get rid. Waste of a great talent. Ravel Morrison mark 2,

Whatever we get for him will be a good deal.  He'll be playing no higher than Championship for the rest of his career.

James Morrison didn't hit him hard enough.  Perhaps this is why the club didn't make more of the dressing room incident. The players clearly know what he's up to off the pitch.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: section5 on April 13, 2014, 09:28:03 AM
It's only laughing gas they use this stuff in hospital don't they? But obviously someone in his position should know better some friend this person was to him recording him, I have no idea why he would let someone record him I know the effect only lasts 30 seconds but as a pro footballer you should have a bit more sense about you, he's going to have to hit rock bottom to realise what an idiot he's been (saying that he won't with the amount of money he's earnt now he's "made it")
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on April 13, 2014, 09:32:14 AM
He'll probably be at QPR next season.  Barton, Morrison, he'd fit in well. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on April 13, 2014, 09:53:22 AM
The problem is that while people at the club might have known the extent of his off field issues this now breaks it into the public domain and while we might want to sell who in their right mind would buy? I am always staggered as to how footballers with really bad off field reputations seem to find a home but most of the time they at least have some sort of on field track record to make the risk worthwhile Berahino has barely got going.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on April 13, 2014, 10:04:36 AM
The problem is that while people at the club might have known the extent of his off field issues this now breaks it into the public domain and while we might want to sell who in their right mind would buy? I am always staggered as to how footballers with really bad off field reputations seem to find a home but most of the time they at least have some sort of on field track record to make the risk worthwhile Berahino has barely got going.

A couple of weeks back I was on here defending Saido after his mistake against Cardiff. Leaving the ground that day though I did say to someone that I don't think he'll amount to much.

This morning, after reading this stuff and seeing what he has been up to, I take back my defence and stand by my view of his future.

You're right, he has barely got his career going, and I for one will be amazed if he ever does.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 13, 2014, 11:11:38 AM
Problem young players have is when they get the big contracts they start moving in different circles and attract a lot of hangers on and also get the buzz from the big wages and spending money they only dreamed of having when they were younger. Clubs need to do more to prepare young players for it.

Saying that the player is old enough himself to know what he's doing and if he wants to ruin his career before he gets to 25 or so then carry on lad you're doing it right.

Needs someone in his family or his agent/ proper friend not hanger on to sit him down and lay into him otherwise he'll be another Francis Jeffers type player struggling to get a game at the likes of Accrington.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on April 13, 2014, 11:44:21 AM
Problem young players have is when they get the big contracts they start moving in different circles and attract a lot of hangers on and also get the buzz from the big wages and spending money they only dreamed of having when they were younger. Clubs need to do more to prepare young players for it.

Saying that the player is old enough himself to know what he's doing and if he wants to ruin his career before he gets to 25 or so then carry on lad you're doing it right.

Needs someone in his family or his agent/ proper friend not hanger on to sit him down and lay into him otherwise he'll be another Francis Jeffers type player struggling to get a game at the likes of Accrington.

I think that's justifying his behaviour - there's also lots of head strong youngsters and he's a grown man now. Sickens me that he was bought on over Anichebe. The deal has changed him, gone are his religious tweets, he's an idiot now - get rid asap he's poison.

Just looking on his twitter, who the f*** are these 'west brom' fans complimenting him?! Some people are truly pathetic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 13, 2014, 12:01:11 PM
I think that's justifying his behaviour - there's also lots of head strong youngsters and he's a grown man now. Sickens me that he was bought on over Anichebe. The deal has changed him, gone are his religious tweets, he's an idiot now - get rid asap he's poison.

Just looking on his twitter, who the f*** are these 'west brom' fans complimenting him?! Some people are truly pathetic.

Not justifying his behaviour at all in any way shape or form, he's turned into a dickhead but is not the first and won't be the last. I think clubs need to act more to try and avoid these problems, they're the ones paying massive wages to the kids so maybe they should do more to protect their asset. When you get more money and start moving in different circles heads get turned and hangers on appear and play a part in what were once sensible people turning into complete knobheads, then the money disappears when the career slides and the hangers on disappear leaving the person with no-one as the original proper friends have moved on after being pushed out in favour of the hangers on. If no-one sorts him out thats what will happen to Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Davros1582 on April 13, 2014, 12:02:18 PM
Time to cash in. I have viewed the footage and its utterly embarrassing for both him and the club. I thought we had unearthed a proper player when I saw the game against Newport but he has turned out to be another clown.

Is there anything else that can go wrong this season!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on April 13, 2014, 12:07:30 PM
Get rid >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on April 13, 2014, 12:09:49 PM
Laughing gas isnt it  ???

About as harmful as a few pints and a couple of fags!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on April 13, 2014, 12:10:09 PM
If he's not careful he'll get a reputation and then no matter how minor an incident he's involved in, the press will keep on raking things up. He may be past that point already!
He is only a kid doing what kids do and really needs someone to help mentor him and help with his direction ... but it needs to start from Saido. Come on lad you can do better than this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 13, 2014, 12:11:32 PM
Fine him two weeks wages, stick him in the reserves for the rest of the season and upto him then. Get someone like Anichebe or Cyrille to give the big bollocking he needs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on April 13, 2014, 12:13:24 PM
Fine him two weeks wages, stick him in the reserves for the rest of the season and upto him then. Get someone like Anichebe or Cyrille to give the big bollocking he needs.

Phil its laughing gas?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on April 13, 2014, 12:13:35 PM
I agree with Oldbury if he wants to mess up hes career hes going about it in the right way maybe when he looks at all hes mates going to brazil and then couple years after he ends up in league 1 he wished he done things differently.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on April 13, 2014, 12:14:45 PM
Phil its laughing gas?

Regardless mate hes attitude stinks to me and i dont think the quote " there was a long line of players waiting to knock him out " was far off, Cant stand the guy.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on April 13, 2014, 12:15:01 PM
Fine him two weeks wages, stick him in the reserves for the rest of the season and upto him then. Get someone like Anichebe or Cyrille to give the big bollocking he needs.
Good shout
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on April 13, 2014, 12:17:10 PM
Phil its laughing gas?

We'd just lost 0-3 to Man Utd - I think most of our players were inebriated off, I wouldn't have been partying he doesn't have any passion or regards for the very club that made him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on April 13, 2014, 12:18:29 PM
Done next to nothing since the Newcastle game.................looked so promising first part of the season but now rarely a real threat.

Another home grown potential talent thinking he's made when he's done nowt in the game...................Division One/Two beckons in a few years time the way he's going. He just seems to lack the drive and professionalism now he's earnt a 'man's' contract.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 13, 2014, 12:19:27 PM
Phil its laughing gas?

I know mate but its not like he works down the road in a factory, he's a professional athlete which comes with responsibilities and after Kyle Walker was given stick for it he should know better.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 13, 2014, 12:35:21 PM
Only laughing gas.
It's used as an anaesthetic and the pr1ck was driving. Also we had just lost 3-0.

Anyone mocking the senior pros should take note - at least they are fairly responsible.
Seems they know a thing or two about this fool.

There is no place for this in our club.

He needs to go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on April 13, 2014, 01:40:13 PM
Get rid of this c##t.

I pay my hard earned cash to watch idiots like him,it makes me sick and the attitude of modern day footballers is one of the reasons why i wont be renewing next season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on April 13, 2014, 02:29:14 PM
Supported him after Cardiff but this is inexcusable, I understand that it is meant to be only laughing gas but to get in a car and drive a long distance after puts him and more importantly others at risk.......god forbid we have another Lee Hughes moment.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on April 13, 2014, 02:35:33 PM
Supported him after Cardiff but this is inexcusable, I understand that it is meant to be only laughing gas but to get in a car and drive a long distance after puts him and more importantly others at risk.......god forbid we have another Lee Hughes moment.

It sends you light headed for 30 seconds then that is it. If he didn't drive for those 30 seconds it would have no affect on his ability to drive.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on April 13, 2014, 02:39:00 PM
I couldn't give a hoot about him, my only worry is that with every story like this his price drops by a million or so.

I would however expect much better from someone who has come from a very deprived background and been very very well looked after by the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on April 13, 2014, 02:49:45 PM
Being unfamiliar with effects of the substance in question I wouldn't want to comment on his fitness to drive or otherwise however it is indicative of a party lifestyle which is incompatible with being a highly paid athlete. He has since apologised and I for one would be happy to put it down to experience were it not for the fact that this incident seems to confirm some of our worst fears regarding his attitude. There must come a point where someone has the shape up or ship out conversation with him. I am not sure who he would pay attention to but that person needs to get hold of him and shake him.     
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on April 13, 2014, 02:51:44 PM
Has been a silly boy, but i wonder how much his so called 'Freind' got for selling this to the paper!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 13, 2014, 02:56:03 PM
Has been a silly boy, but i wonder how much his so called 'Freind' got for selling this to the paper!

The sort of hangers on he needs to get rid off who will vanish when things start going wrong and he slips down the leagues to find another mug to hang onto.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on April 13, 2014, 03:11:41 PM
It sends you light headed for 30 seconds then that is it. If he didn't drive for those 30 seconds it would have no affect on his ability to drive.

If that's the case ( & I doubt you not ) why in hell would ANY ONE use it just for a 30 sec buzz surely they could find something to do in them 30 sec, I mean in this case he was in a car with women by the sound of the voice ??? ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on April 13, 2014, 03:16:00 PM
It sends you light headed for 30 seconds then that is it. If he didn't drive for those 30 seconds it would have no affect on his ability to drive.

Mate my knowledge of this substance is poor, if he did it in a bar or at home then wouldn't erk me but sitting behind the wheel of a car and with mates like those, you've have to worry about his mindset and the hangers on that surround him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on April 13, 2014, 05:56:44 PM
It's exactly nonsense like this you'd hope our young up and coming players know to stay away from. Saido has clearly lost the plot this season, especially after signing his big new contract.

I agree with Oldbury, fine the lad and straighten him out. Remember Sessegnon was fined for drunk driving but we signed him after the fact anyway. Sadly Saido seems to have an attittude atm which is what is driving the senior pro's batty. Unfortunately Saido hasn't exactly had the best rode models at the club. Some previous players have been the epitomy of entitlement attitude.

Time to grow up, kid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on April 13, 2014, 06:04:08 PM
Couldn't give a damn if it was laughing gas or bleach he was taking in, his attitude stinks and someone needs to give him another clout. For a supposed God fearing man he has an enormous superiority complex.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 13, 2014, 06:16:31 PM
Couldn't give a damn if it was laughing gas or bleach he was taking in, his attitude stinks and someone needs to give him another clout. For a supposed God fearing man he has an enormous superiority complex.

Well said. I've said earlier I don't condone violence but the boy needs a bloody good hiding. Idiot. go on Morrison I'll hold your coat.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on April 13, 2014, 06:47:07 PM
There was many people on here who wanted him to be given a new contract. Now look at the situation . Methinks he could go the way of many others. And btw isn't it funny how one goal or two makes you an instant star. There was talk of a World Cup call up . I haven't seen much to convince me of his talent .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on April 13, 2014, 06:47:47 PM
I know saido through a friend. He's a nice kid that is young and still learning.

too many people look to pick holes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on April 13, 2014, 07:02:11 PM
Will speak in 15 years time when he has 50 caps for England and 150 goals in the top flight. Has I say 2 goals doesn't.make a great player does it .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 13, 2014, 07:04:14 PM
I know saido through a friend. He's a nice kid that is young and still learning.

too many people look to pick holes.

Well tell him a lot of us really admired his potential, were very excited by him, but if he doesn't wise up fast he is going to pi$$ it all away - whether here or elsewhere.

I would in truth rather he stayed with Albion but for God's sake we have had enough BS this season without any more of his 'learning' based antics. Maybe he isn't ready for first team action after all??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on April 13, 2014, 07:18:35 PM
Saido will be the next Chris Wood (or Woods if you are one of those fans who never pronounce names properly, you know who you are  :D ).

I think we jumped the gun offering him 10k a week or more depending on what you believe.

To early to say I told you so?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on April 13, 2014, 07:25:13 PM
Way, way too early. There were complaints about Raheem Sterlin's behaviour off the field last season and he went off the boil, now this season he's one of the best young players in the world. Berahino has the talent to be a good premier league striker, foolish to close doors on him.

As an aside he's clearly better than Chris Wood, he starts for England under 21's ahead of Danny Ings who's arguably the best striker in the championship.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggy nerd on April 13, 2014, 07:41:09 PM
I was a bit dubious about this player when he made a comment about the club following Clarkes sacking then pretended it was referring to something else.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on April 13, 2014, 07:44:01 PM
Way, way too early. There were complaints about Raheem Sterlin's behaviour off the field last season and he went off the boil, now this season he's one of the best young players in the world. Berahino has the talent to be a good premier league striker, foolish to close doors on him.

As an aside he's clearly better than Chris Wood, he starts for England under 21's ahead of Danny Ings who's arguably the best striker in the championship.

"Better than" Wood in terms of natural ability, but that alone never got anybody anywhere.  Attitude and work ethic turn good players into outstanding players.  Without those he will be nothing more than a Chopra or a Jeffers.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on April 13, 2014, 08:14:07 PM
I know saido through a friend. He's a nice kid that is young and still learning.

too many people look to pick holes.

To be honest mate people aren't having to pick holes,he is giving the ammo to his doubters all by himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WoysWunderful on April 13, 2014, 10:37:47 PM
Nas would have imparted him for a max of 30 seconds. People use them As you feel wonderful for a little bit and then it's over and done with, no comedown, no not sleing for 3 days, no being twisted the entire day after. Seems like another excuse to have a go at Sadio.

Did he even say he was going to take legal action over the Morrison incedent? Or was that just crap in the press?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on April 13, 2014, 10:52:47 PM
Nas would have imparted him for a max of 30 seconds. People use them As you feel wonderful for a little bit and then it's over and done with, no comedown, no not sleing for 3 days, no being twisted the entire day after. Seems like another excuse to have a go at Sadio.

Did he even say he was going to take legal action over the Morrison incedent? Or was that just crap in the press?

Than can you please explain to me the value of taking it. ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba1993dave on April 13, 2014, 11:25:17 PM
No doubt he has potential , but he could end up like Ravel Morrison playing in the Championship if he doesn't wise up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: chipperclark on April 14, 2014, 04:28:26 AM
 :D Nitrous Oxide (laughing gas) is fairly harmless. Scuba divers get it when they go too deep...gives a feeling of drunkeness.
Wears off fairly quickly.
Don't think he would have done himself much harm
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies37 on April 14, 2014, 07:43:59 AM
Lots of tension and anger around chez Hawthorns at the moment from fans (understandably so).

He's not doing himself any favours but he is a kid and hopefully a stern word come seasons end could have him back on the right track and see an improvement both on and off he field next year.

All this "get rid" nonsense is short sighted. This lad can easily turn this round but he needs some guidance.
If someone gave me 15k a week at 19 im not sure i'd wouldn't come off the rails just a bit.

Need a senior player/coach at the club to come and put his head straight. 
Maybe someone like Cyrille (as mentioned earlier) or a Kevin Campbell type.


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albertbaggie on April 14, 2014, 08:08:26 AM
Nas would have imparted him for a max of 30 seconds. People use them As you feel wonderful for a little bit and then it's over and done with, no comedown, no not sleing for 3 days, no being twisted the entire day after. Seems like another excuse to have a go at Sadio.

Did he even say he was going to take legal action over the Morrison incedent? Or was that just crap in the press?
People can't keep knocking the press all the time. We have made our own headlines over the past couple of seasons. Give them the ammunition and, of course, they will use it. They aren't there to just report good news, that's what the official Albion site is for. Odemwingie, Berahino, Anelka ... just a disgrace to the shirt. With Berahino, there's still time to turn it around, if he gets his head right. I hope but doubt he will. Really long for  the days when we had proper heroes at this club, Super Kev, Super Bob, Andy Hunt etc. Even The Horse..would love a player with his commitment now
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 14, 2014, 09:13:02 AM
:D Nitrous Oxide (laughing gas) is fairly harmless. Scuba divers get it when they go too deep...gives a feeling of drunkeness.
Wears off fairly quickly.
Don't think he would have done himself much harm

Nitrous Oxide, what next?
Unless someone puts a choke chain on this kid he's not worth the bother. The clubs been dragged through enough of late. Time to put a stop to it,.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jack Russell on April 14, 2014, 09:19:56 AM
Nitrous Oxide, what next?
Unless someone puts a choke chain on this kid he's not worth the bother. The clubs been dragged through enough of late. Time to put a stop to it,.


I work for BOC gases.This aint no joke
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bob on April 14, 2014, 09:57:21 AM
Sack him. I'm all for giving people a second and maybe even third chance but this kid seems more hassle than he's worth.

Even Brentford got rid due to a bad attitude.

I know we wont sack him but I hope we've made it very clear that anything else will be punished severely. All his humble words at the start of the season seem very hollow now.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on April 14, 2014, 10:10:54 AM
The only good thing to come out of this is that is happened after the Man United game and so was around 5-6 weeks ago.

Since then there has been the 'Morrison punch' stuff and hopefully that was the moment when he realised he was been a tool, i dont think anybody wants to go to work everyday knowing their work mates want to have a pop at them and by all accounts there were a fair few waiting to do it! Also i think a lot of fans reaction was good he deserved the slap for been an arrogant so and so, he didnt seem to get much sympathy and so lets just hope the penny has dropped after that.

If this 'legal high' happened since the Cardiff game i think the club would have a big decision to make as it would seem he wouldnt of learnt his lesson, but it happened a while ago and so i think he is now very close to being his last chance.

Its over to Saido, has a lot of potential, but potential with the wrong attitude means nothing, lets hope recent history is just him been a spoilt brat and he he now knows what he can and cant do to be the top footballer he can possibly be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hulsey74 on April 14, 2014, 10:16:16 AM
I have to smile reading this thread, half of the people saying get rid, are the same people that were saying give him 30k per week JP you tight ar@e!!

Perhaps, now people will start to understand why you cannot just go around giving out 4 yr contracts at 20-40k per week............ becomes a very expensive liability when it does not work out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on April 27, 2014, 09:17:26 PM
I'm surprised no one has given the lad any credit for his performance yesterday on this thread. People were quick to give him stick for his mistake against Cardiff. I thought he did well yesterday against a physical defence and with a bit of luck could have scored another. This kid is the future for us, we need to support him. Without his goals this season we'd be in big trouble.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on April 27, 2014, 09:31:14 PM
He worked hard and did well. I agree he needs support and I hope Pepe and/or one or two of the senior players can give him some support on and off the pitch. He clearly needs steering in the right direction sometimes but he certainly has talent.
I get the impression that Pepe in his selection responds to the work that people are putting in during the week so it could be that Saido has knuckled down since his couple of recent episodes.
I did think Vydra was unlucky to be left out though given his performances in the last 2 home games.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on April 27, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
played well yesterday and with the right attitude,should have done better with the 2 clear cut chances he had in 2nd half but deserves credit for his overall performance;i was surprised vydra didn't start as I think at this stage he is way ahead of berahino technically but hopefully this will come in time
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on April 27, 2014, 11:35:04 PM
Just heard Saido being referred to as 'Beraheenio' on MOTD. It's 'Beraheeno' he's not Brazilian!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 28, 2014, 08:01:50 PM
He's probably worth north of 5 mill,he's being paid thousands a day,he's still a kid and even though many might not like it,he's employed as a footballer not a role model??
Get a bit fed up of people slating him for doing nothing wrong,Morrison should shut up,on Saturday against West Ham he was in the corner,did he keep the ball??,no lost it and they broke,and laughing gas??really??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on April 29, 2014, 11:58:24 PM
He's probably worth north of 5 mill,he's being paid thousands a day,he's still a kid and even though many might not like it,he's employed as a footballer not a role model??
Get a bit fed up of people slating him for doing nothing wrong,Morrison should shut up,on Saturday against West Ham he was in the corner,did he keep the ball??,no lost it and they broke,and laughing gas??really??

I noticed that too. Morrison has been abysmal all season. Berahino has got goals and assists, crucial ones too. Berahino has great potential. A very valuable asset.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on April 30, 2014, 06:34:29 AM
I noticed that too. Morrison has been abysmal all season. Berahino has got goals and assists, crucial ones too. Berahino has great potential. A very valuable asset.

Difference is that Morrisson has proved that he can play in this division season on season, ok he's not pulled up any trees this season but neither have the likes of Van Persie. He's had a blip and hopefully he can get back to form for next season.
Berahino has the talent but has yet to prove that he has the disposition to perform season after season. He's a kid that needs to learn a bit of respect and humility.
That cuffing that Mozza gave him might just have been the wake up notice that he needed.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on April 30, 2014, 07:18:24 AM
Difference is that Morrisson has proved that he can play in this division season on season, ok he's not pulled up any trees this season but neither have the likes of Van Persie. He's had a blip and hopefully he can get back to form for next season.
Berahino has the talent but has yet to prove that he has the disposition to perform season after season. He's a kid that needs to learn a bit of respect and humility.
That cuffing that Mozza gave him might just have been the wake up notice that he needed.

I wonder if that's the first time Mozza has been compared to Van Persie?

JM has, to be fair, been more than pants this season, but I thought he put a good shift in when he came on last Saturday.

And quite agree about him slapping Saido, seems the boy needed a reminder about not getting too big headed and JM served him notice.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DownInAlbion on May 02, 2014, 08:19:02 PM
Saido made the bench in Vice's alternative team of the premier league season

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/vices-11-favourite-players-of-the-season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on May 02, 2014, 08:41:29 PM
Not given the credit he deserves. He's scored some vital goals. 4 in our 7 wins including 3 winners. Where would we be without those goals eh?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ABaggie on May 02, 2014, 08:49:14 PM
Not given the credit he deserves. He's scored some vital goals. 4 in our 7 wins including 3 winners. Where would we be without those goals eh?
A lot higher up the table if we had a better striker!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on May 02, 2014, 08:56:21 PM
Not given the credit he deserves. He's scored some vital goals. 4 in our 7 wins including 3 winners. Where would we be without those goals eh?

Spot on.  Remove Lukaku's goals from last season and we'd have been nine points worse off.  Remove Saido's from this season and we're seven points worse off.  Scoring one game-changing goal is infinitely more valuable to us than scoring ten consolation goals, and although he's got a long way to go yet, Berahino has that knack.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ABaggie on May 02, 2014, 09:03:28 PM
Spot on.  Remove Lukaku's goals from last season and we'd have been nine points worse off.  Remove Saido's from this season and we're seven points worse off.  Scoring one game-changing goal is infinitely more valuable to us than scoring ten consolation goals, and although he's got a long way to go yet, Berahino has that knack.
What a stupid argument! Do you really think we would've played with 10 men in those games if Lukaku or Berahino hadn't played in them?
Someone else would've played in their place. With a different player it's just as likely we would've scored more as it is that we would've scored less.

Our results after Lukaku became a regular were shocking so while he scored a lot of goals he didn't actually improve the results of the team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 02, 2014, 09:22:12 PM
What a stupid argument! Do you really think we would've played with 10 men in those games if Lukaku or Berahino hadn't played in them?
Someone else would've played in their place. With a different player it's just as likely we would've scored more as it is that we would've scored less.

Our results after Lukaku became a regular were shocking so while he scored a lot of goals he didn't actually improve the results of the team.

I thought that was a really interesting fact! :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on May 02, 2014, 09:23:02 PM
Do you really think we would've played with 10 men in those games if Lukaku or Berahino hadn't played in them?
Someone else would've played in their place. With a different player it's just as likely we would've scored more as it is that we would've scored less.

So if we'd fielded, let's say, Markus Rosenberg in place of Lukaku or Berahino, you think we'd have equalled or exceeded their goals tally?  It's largely a speculative argument whichever way you look at it, but the evidence isn't good.  Different players have different abilities and merits, and there's no guarantee that one will even put on target the kind of chance that another would stick in the back of the net in the blink of an eye.

You can only rate players on what they do for you.  Comparing them to imaginary Roy of the Rovers goal-machines is nothing short of risible.

Our results after Lukaku became a regular were shocking so while he scored a lot of goals he didn't actually improve the results of the team.

Exactly the point I was making about the value of game-changing goals compared to consolation goals.  So, it's such a stupid argument that you actually agree with it?   ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ABaggie on May 02, 2014, 09:41:34 PM
Exactly the point I was making about the value of game-changing goals compared to consolation goals.  So, it's such a stupid argument that you actually agree with it?   ::)

But exactly how many of those game-changing goals would not have been scored if a different striker had played in place of Berahino? The goal at Old Trafford? Any more? But there are loads of other chances that we may well have scored if Berahino hadn't been on the pitch because he may become a premiership striker if he fulfils his promise but he is nowhere near at the moment
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on May 02, 2014, 10:01:36 PM
But exactly how many of those game-changing goals would not have been scored if a different striker had played in place of Berahino? The goal at Old Trafford? Any more? But there are loads of other chances that we may well have scored if Berahino hadn't been on the pitch because he may become a premiership striker if he fulfils his promise but he is nowhere near at the moment

Yes, I agree that another striker may have scored the same goals, but then again, they may not; it's all pure speculation, and I deal strictly with the evidence in front of me.  The best way of judging a goalscorer's impact, for me, is measuring the points his goals have directly contributed to our season; it's not a perfect system by any means, and it doesn't account for might-have-beens, but nevertheless, it delivers some concrete facts to base opinions on.

Of course Saido isn't a full-fledged Prem striker yet; as I said in my initial post, he has a long way to go.  But his game-changing goals this season have been a demonstrable boon to us.  As they say, a bird in the hand...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on July 31, 2014, 03:14:56 PM
I honestly think this kid has a real bright future and, if he applies himself correctly, could get 15+ goals next season. I know he has attitude problems, but if Irvine is as good as he is being lauded when it comes to getting the best from youth, he could be our ace in the hole.
He's not the greatest footballer, but neither were Lineker or Shearer, they just had a real eye for goal. He's never going to be in their league, but could still carve out a good career if he keeps his feet on the ground IMO.

What's others thoughts, good prospect or overrated flash in the pan?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on July 31, 2014, 03:20:19 PM
Do or die season for him I think he should start showing more promise this campaign if he is to be successful, I think your right he could be more of a goalpoacher than someone who takes a man on, Over to you Saido.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on July 31, 2014, 03:20:41 PM
Welcome to the forum Saido  ;D

The kid has talent, just needs to apply himself to be honest. Get his head down, and let the football do the talking. At the moment he goes missing alot
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on July 31, 2014, 03:24:19 PM
Welcome to the forum Saido  ;D

The kid has talent, just needs to apply himself to be honest. Get his head down, and let the football do the talking. At the moment he goes missing alot

Need the bonuses to pay for my new Range Rover! ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on July 31, 2014, 03:38:30 PM
overrated flash in the pan !
Needs to much "management" for my liking, but then I am an old fart and he's a modern footballer so its not surprising I think that way
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 01, 2014, 08:37:27 AM
As long as he shows improvement in things like decision making and can score a few more goals then I'll be happy.

 Improvement season on season is what I want/expect from young players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 01, 2014, 08:45:55 AM
Big season for him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on August 01, 2014, 08:53:00 AM
I don't see it as a do or die season. He just needs to knuckle down, work hard, keep developing as a footballer and stay out of the headlines for the wrong reasons.


Still young but I think we'll see him nail down a regular first team place if he gets his attitude right.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: talkSAFT on August 01, 2014, 08:56:11 AM
I hope the new Coach will tell him off if he gets too greedy. How many times last season did he shoot when others were in a better position?
Pepe just seemed to let players do what they want, and Bigshot just wanted goals on his CV.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: don1thedon on August 01, 2014, 08:59:22 AM
I don't see it as a do or die season. He just needs to knuckle down, work hard, keep developing as a footballer and stay out of the headlines for the wrong reasons.


Still young but I think we'll see him nail down a regular first team place if he gets his attitude right.
I'd agree with that but I am hoping for a solid season from him with headlines for the right reasons, hopefully a bit of maturity and competition for places will bring the best out of him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 04, 2014, 08:39:42 AM
If he carries on like Saturday can't see him starting many games even if we play 451 at home with big Vic upfront and sessgnon in behind or dorrans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 04, 2014, 08:53:46 AM
If he carries on like Saturday can't see him starting many games even if we play 451 at home with big Vic upfront and sessgnon in behind or dorrans.


we need strikers.Big Vic and Berahino aint going to score the goals for us required.We just spent 10 million on a bloke we cant get a permit for and will miss the start of the season ffs.What date did we sign him again >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 04, 2014, 09:12:39 AM

we need strikers.Big Vic and Berahino aint going to score the goals for us required.We just spent 10 million on a bloke we cant get a permit for and will miss the start of the season ffs.What date did we sign him again >:(


we need strikers.Big Vic and Berahino aint going to score the goals for us required.We just spent 10 million on a bloke we cant get a permit for and will miss the start of the season ffs.What date did we sign him again >:(
I imagine Ideye will come straight in there's no excuse why he shouldn't be training on he's own.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieNick on August 05, 2014, 09:27:54 PM
The key to getting the best out of Berahino is to confiscate his mobile phone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on August 16, 2014, 07:58:14 PM
Good to see him get two goals. I felt Saido worked very hard today especially off the ball.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 16, 2014, 08:02:45 PM
He's a goalscorer and given the opportunity he will score goals.

He's not the finish product yet but he's getting there.  His awareness is something that needs to improve but I would imagine given time and a better understanding with our new players that will eventually come.

For such a young man he has great composure though. That's two excellent penalties he's taken for us when he pressure was on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wardy65 on August 16, 2014, 08:56:54 PM
Proper cool head from the spot. Wasn't a fan of Nathan Ellington, but he was a cool penalty taker & Saido seems similar.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on August 16, 2014, 09:30:39 PM
He's a goalscorer and given the opportunity he will score goals.

He's not the finish product yet but he's getting there.  His awareness is something that needs to improve but I would imagine given time and a better understanding with our new players that will eventually come.

For such a young man he has great composure though. That's two excellent penalties he's taken for us when he pressure was on.

Agreed, i also think his decision making lets him down. Whether its lack of vision, poor decision making, lack of awareness or just single mindedness he often retains the ball for too long
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 17, 2014, 08:46:49 AM
I'm quite happy for him to be that naive/unfinished/attitudinal every week.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on August 17, 2014, 09:16:15 AM
Well he's a fifth of the way to his target of double figures already. Just hope he keeps up the application which Irvine spoke about on Friday. Saido and Bobby could well become our front 2 of choice and we could reasonably hope for double figures from both.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 17, 2014, 10:30:35 AM
I think Berahino is an instinctive goal scorer and if we basically get him in and around the box there is a player that can certainly get to double figures. The question is how to get him into the team without exposing his weaknesses , he is a little bit too slight to play as a lone striker and lacks the vision to play as and number 10 (although over time this can and will improve). Personally I would play him in a 4-3-3 either side of a number 9 in front of the more defensively inclined side of the midfield and defence.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on August 17, 2014, 10:36:28 AM
I think Berahino is an instinctive goal scorer and if we basically get him in and around the box there is a player that can certainly get to double figures. The question is how to get him into the team without exposing his weaknesses , he is a little bit too slight to play as a lone striker and lacks the vision to play as and number 10 (although over time this can and will improve). Personally I would play him in a 4-3-3 either side of a number 9 in front of the more defensively inclined side of the midfield and defence.

And that is also how we'd fit in Sess, on the other side of Saido. Although where does the new winger we need fit in then?!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on August 17, 2014, 12:09:23 PM
Don't think we appreciate just how good saido is. We should make him feel loved, the guy is quality. If we'd signed him for £10million we'd be going loopy over how good he is! Reminded me of odemwingie yesterday, could really make the right wing position his own.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on August 17, 2014, 01:24:38 PM
Think he played well yesterday.
His movement off the ball is largely excellent, he pulls defenders out of postion and ghosts into dangerous areas just as he did for his second.
Good performance from him all around and he looked very sharp. He has clearly put a lot of effort into his preseason work, let's hope that he and the team reap the benefits over the course of the whole season.
Well done Saido.
 8).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on August 17, 2014, 03:14:11 PM
And that is also how we'd fit in Sess, on the other side of Saido. Although where does the new winger we need fit in then?!

I am not sure there is a way accommodating all the potential forward and wide players we might have by the window closes but I would be looking to Berahino on the pitch possibly ahead of more senior players like Sessegnon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KingKoren on August 17, 2014, 03:21:02 PM
Sessegnon needs a free role behind the striker. I really wouldn't want to see him anywhere else. He hasn't got the discipline to play out wide. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: robnewbold on August 18, 2014, 01:51:56 AM
May as we'll revel in the fact the we have the top scorer in the Premier League currently. Hope we can say the same ten games in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on August 18, 2014, 08:16:47 AM
For all AIs weaknesses he is thought of highly in the youth coaching circles. Hopefully what we saw on Saturday was influenced by AI and will push him onto the next level.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: NEBaggie on August 18, 2014, 08:18:11 AM
For all AIs weaknesses he is thought of highly in the youth coaching circles. Hopefully what we saw on Saturday was influenced by AI and will push him onto the next level.

It might be quite beneficial that we have a relatively (and I emphasise relatively) young squad then...?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on August 18, 2014, 08:34:56 AM
Well if long is worth over 12 million what is saido value got a player here me thinks?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 18, 2014, 08:54:15 AM
He appears to have a good future if he can introduce a bit of consistency and show he is not a dick. However,  we shouldn't put the extra weight of expectation on his shoulders and suggest he is the next saviour of WBA. Yet!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 18, 2014, 10:02:00 AM
What's his right position? Seems to play quite well on the wing but he's a natural goalscorer!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 18, 2014, 11:12:39 AM
Don't care if saido is a dick, quite interesting that many are mentioning his attitude etc what about the "seasoned"pro that thinks it's ok to slap a young player in front of the rest of the team?
Saido has it, can play, great pace and very aware for his age, willing to play wide for the team and still very dangerous, let's enjoy the future superstar.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 18, 2014, 11:35:05 AM
Don't care if saido is a dick, quite interesting that many are mentioning his attitude etc what about the "seasoned"pro that thinks it's ok to slap a young player in front of the rest of the team?
Saido has it, can play, great pace and very aware for his age, willing to play wide for the team and still very dangerous, let's enjoy the future superstar.
Lets bring back Anelka, Bednar and Odemwhingie too. Football is a team game if you don't have the respect of your fellow team mates it becomes a lot harder game. Having had a slap from a "seasoned" pro, do you think Saido has improved or regressed as a professional footballer?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 18, 2014, 04:50:57 PM
Well on the first point, ibrahimavic, ballotelli,Ronaldo and Cantona all had "attitudes" would you refuse to sign them?

On the second point, not for one second do I think the slap has had any positive effect on saido, I think he believes in his own ability and quite rightly too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 18, 2014, 04:51:40 PM
Lets bring back Anelka, Bednar and Odemwhingie too. Football is a team game if you don't have the respect of your fellow team mates it becomes a lot harder game. Having had a slap from a "seasoned" pro, do you think Saido has improved or regressed as a professional footballer?
For what it's worth I'd have anelka and pete back tomorrow .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on August 18, 2014, 05:07:38 PM
On what basis . Annelka too old , bad attitude and hasn't had a good season in 3 years . Has for the other one I am sure he burnt his bridges a long time ago . For clarity you need to remember we recued him from a nightmare at his previous club . Also  12 months before his transfer deadline antics he wanted away . Is this the type of player we need at our club . I don't think so .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on August 18, 2014, 05:10:32 PM
Did someone just say they would have Anelka back  :-X, appalling attitude and complete sick note for us, waste of wages that was.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on August 18, 2014, 09:02:17 PM
For what it's worth I'd have anelka and pete back tomorrow .
Lets hope tomorrow never comes !!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on August 19, 2014, 11:36:48 PM
deep down i miss Pete. Anelka??? DISASTER!!!!  A good few of us KNEW he would be from the day he was signed, and posted so at the time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on August 20, 2014, 10:58:44 AM
deep down i miss Pete. Anelka??? DISASTER!!!!  A good few of us KNEW he would be from the day he was signed, and posted so at the time.

In the end Both thought they were to big for the club but both players could find the back of the net. Pete goal record speaks for it self unfortunately the same cant be said about Nicko while he was a Baggie.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 20, 2014, 12:06:17 PM
I miss Odemwingie being a part of our team, appalled as I was by his attitude at the end.

Fantastic player. I'd forget every bloomin word he's said if he was back with us!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 20, 2014, 12:11:29 PM
Anelka??? DISASTER!!!!  A good few of us KNEW he would be from the day he was signed, and posted so at the time.

You "knew" nothing, you just guessed negatively and it turned out right. People have been guessing negatively on this board for the last 4 years as "knowing" stuff that never came to pass. Moose, Rainbow etc etc all "knew" we were going down and JP would never step up... getting one right out of 20 doesn't warrant an "I told you so"

In regards to Saido, if he can get at least 10 goals in the Prem this season, then he'll have paid off the accademy on his own. British, 21, scoring striker who is playing in the Prem.... Easily worth £10mill in this market, if not closer to £15m+
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on August 27, 2014, 11:15:33 PM
does anybody else think he should be starting upfront he looks our most natural goalscorer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on August 27, 2014, 11:46:46 PM
Hindsight is a great thing . All of these players have gone we should move on . Annelka was here for a meal ticket wasn't he . And the other nob wanted away 12 months before the qpr incident . So forget your odemwingie love in , it didn't last .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 28, 2014, 08:36:21 AM
does anybody else think he should be starting upfront he looks our most natural goalscorer
No. Might in time but not good enough at the minute.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 28, 2014, 09:49:39 AM
does anybody else think he should be starting upfront he looks our most natural goalscorer

In time he could be a very good striker. At the moment I think he's doing a great job out wide, really putting a shift in looking dangerous going forward and really helping out the full-back when needed.

He may be one of those strikers that suffer from not having a strike partner to feed off, if we insist on playing a lone striker I don't think he's suited to it but with that said I'm not sure we have one that is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: NEBaggie on August 28, 2014, 09:55:27 AM
I think Berahino needs a big guy playing just behind him to act as a distraction for the opposition and to knock some balls onto him. From the little I have seen, he plays off the shoulder of a defender well and I reckon that would benefit him.

Samaras or Ideye would be ideal...even Anichebe if I'm up for a debate.  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 28, 2014, 10:03:45 AM
I miss Odemwingie being a part of our team, appalled as I was by his attitude at the end.

Fantastic player. I'd forget every bloomin word he's said if he was back with us!


He has never again reached the same level he was in his first 12 months with us, looks very ordinary these days.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on August 28, 2014, 10:04:07 AM
Yeah I think Saido will have to develop into a SKP type of striker. Saido doesn't really have the pace to simply outrun defenders nor the speed and agility to turn them inside out. I still like him a lot and think in the right set up he could be a gem.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on August 28, 2014, 10:57:21 AM
I've been very impressed with his work rate so far this season. I think if he keeps up this attitude he will go on to develop into a good player at this level.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on September 09, 2014, 06:16:41 PM
Scored twice again for England under 21's, match ongoing and unlucky to not have at least a hat trick. Up to 9 goals in 11 games for the under 21's which makes him the equal second highest scorer of all time. Only Shearer, Bent, Lampard, Milner, and Jeffers have equal or more goals. Not a bad list to be apart of Jeffers aside.

He's criminally underrated by a lot of our fans, a fantastic striking talent waiting to happen if he keeps his head and is bought on well by the club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on September 09, 2014, 07:23:02 PM
Yes hopefully we will play a similar setup to the Sunderland game on Saturday with Saido more advanced then he has been in the two away games.
Whatever you think of him the fact is he was our top scorer last year and is, at this early stage, our top scorer this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bangkokbaggie on September 09, 2014, 11:17:52 PM
But will the coaching staff play him in his natural position instead of stuck out wide?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 09, 2014, 11:27:29 PM
But will the coaching staff play him in his natural position instead of stuck out wide?

It's funny you say that. My dad keeps banging on that Berahino isn't a number 10 and that he'd be better out wide. To be honest I haven't really seen much of Saido recently so I am reserving judgement at the moment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 10, 2014, 12:11:12 AM
He's a striker not a winger. Really does do my head in when he's stuck out there, not half as much as a threat as he could be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on September 10, 2014, 12:19:15 AM
Berahino is a number 9 not a number 10 or a winger. He's the type who would be best playing off another striker. For us to do that we'd have to play two up which means either 4-4-2 or 3-5-2.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 10, 2014, 08:16:44 AM
Firstly lets not get carried away by how well he does in the Under 21's. It shows he has good potential but we already know that but it just isn't up there quality wise with the Premier League, would be great to see him kick on for us while playing up front but with the system we have played so far he isn't suited to the lone striker role.

Maybe when everyone is fit the system may change to two up front but at the moment he is actually performing well for us out wide, full credit to him as his attitude has been in question in the past.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on September 10, 2014, 08:55:31 AM
Firstly lets not get carried away by how well he does in the Under 21's. It shows he has good potential but we already know that but it just isn't up there quality wise with the Premier League, would be great to see him kick on for us while playing up front but with the system we have played so far he isn't suited to the lone striker role.

Maybe when everyone is fit the system may change to two up front but at the moment he is actually performing well for us out wide, full credit to him as his attitude has been in question in the past.

Spot on, Dawson was solid for the 21's and scored a fair share, yet he's completely useless at premier league level in my opinion
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 10, 2014, 10:49:19 AM
Just found this article on the FA website. It seems as though he's got his head together a little bit more now.

http://www.thefa.com/news/england/under-21/2014/sep/player-reaction-moldova-100914 (http://www.thefa.com/news/england/under-21/2014/sep/player-reaction-moldova-100914)

Saido Berahino has refused to settle for personal accolades as he looks to fire England Under-21s to next summer’s Euro finals in Czech Republic.

The West Bromwich Albion forward bagged a brace against Moldova on Tuesday to take his tally in the group stage to nine goals in eight appearances.

It is the sort of form that has drawn praise from boss Gareth Southgate, whose team await Friday’s draw for the play-off round after topping Group One with nine wins in 10 matches.

And Berahino’s record in front of goal has put him joint third in the all-time Under-21 scoring records, just four strikes behind former Three Lions captain Alan Shearer and Francis Jeffers.

“It’s nice to hear about my record this season and hopefully I can break the total one day, but I just thank god that I’ve contributed to the team,” he told TheFA.com after the 3-0 victory in Tiraspol.

“You could see tonight that, even though there were a few changes [to the team], everyone stepped in and did their job.

“It just shows how strong we are as a group, we all gelled together and we all play together and understand each other well.

“The group is getting stronger and stronger as games are going by, so it was important that we got the victory and now we can kick on and go into the play-offs with confidence.”

After leading the line during Friday’s win over Lithuania, Berahino was switched into more of a supporting role in Moldova.

But after linking well with fellow forwards Harry Kane and Nathan Redmond, the 21-year-old admits he is more than comfortable in any of the positions.

“I’ve played on the left before for my club and I’ve played on the right, so I’m lucky enough that I can play on either side of the striker and up front if I’m required,” he added.

“I could have got four goals, but I’m happy to have got two and to contribute to the victory”

“Tonight, it was about going out there and doing what’s required for the team and I was happy to get on the scoresheet.

“I was actually disappointed with myself because I thought I had good chances, especially in the second half, to get my hat-trick.

“I could have got four really, but I’m still happy to have got the two goals and to contribute to the victory.

“I just need to make sure that I go back and work hard on the training pitch to ensure that I take every chance that comes my way.”

England already knew that they had secured top spot in the group a play-off berth earlier this summer, following their win over Wales in Swansea.

But Berahino says the attitude instilled by Southgate and his staff, along with the stiff competition for places, means there was never any danger of the players losing their focus.

“The staff, especially the gaffer, have ensured that we’ve been professional about it, even though we’d already qualified with two games left,” he explained.

“We made sure that we finished strongly, that’s what we’ve tried to do and it’s good that we have the momentum to take into the play-offs.”


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 10, 2014, 11:19:27 AM
Good too see him scoring more goals. Hopefully he brings that back with him.

The lad should be applauded and supported massively by us, he is one of our own and from the area with a real bright future ahead of him.

Lets get behind the lad and push him on, not negatively get at him let the press do that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on September 10, 2014, 12:57:26 PM
we massively underrate saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 10, 2014, 01:04:47 PM
we massively underrate saido

Not really. I said a few weeks ago if we made him available we'd get £20 million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 10, 2014, 01:21:17 PM
I'm on the fence with him I guess.

I see the obvious potential in the lad, he has a natural eye for goal and some of his finishes have been exquisite. Clearly has no lack of self confidence which is both a pro and a con, if he is focussed with it then it is a huge advantage, but it is just as likely to cause him to tail off like last season following his signing of the contract (coincidence or not).

My qualm is whether he is ready to be a week in week out starter for us yet. I think if you play him it has to be as a striker, he isn't a winger for me, too dangerous in front of goal to play him anywhere else if you are going to play him.

I've thus far seen nothing of Brown and whilst Vic doesn't score many, his attributes in holding the ball up and bringing others into the game are clear.

It all depends on how many we play up top. If we have two up front it should be easy enough to accomodate all three for those roles with Samaras more of a winger drifting in from the left but I have always felt we look better with one up top and two attacking wingers supporting the striker with three central players.

Not sure Berahino is enough of a presence as yet to play the lone striker role.

Conundrum for AI.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 10, 2014, 01:21:49 PM
we massively underrate saido

His scoring record for us needs to improve. Until that does we are rating him correctly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on September 10, 2014, 01:57:25 PM
 For me he has to play up to as part of a duo. Either Ideye or Anichebe has to partner him.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 10, 2014, 02:26:15 PM
I think some of our fans are in never never land with him, he has yet to beat a man for as long as I can remember and has rarely affected games over the last 12 months bar the odd game here and there, he's at the age now where he should be progressing and showing positive signs in this league on a more consistent basis now, Find it hard to believe he will have a starting place when valera is fit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 10, 2014, 02:41:42 PM
I reckon he will be at a Championship club in a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 10, 2014, 02:47:26 PM
I think some of our fans are in never never land with him, he has yet to beat a man for as long as I can remember and has rarely affected games over the last 12 months bar the odd game here and there, he's at the age now where he should be progressing and showing positive signs in this league on a more consistent basis now, Find it hard to believe he will have a starting place when valera is fit.

Who has had a consistently positive affect on our games the last 12 months? We have been very poor as a team for last 9 months and others would argue longer. As for him showing positive signs in the league, in my opinion he has done that this season as he's been one of our most consistent players arguably playing out of position.

When all the new players are fit and available you are assuming we will stick to using a lone striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 10, 2014, 02:49:43 PM
I reckon he will be at a Championship club in a couple of seasons.

If you listen to most on here he will be in the Championship next season, with us.

Personally I see him as one of those young lads that has so much potential but he has to work very hard to fully realise it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 10, 2014, 03:08:58 PM
For me he has to play up to as part of a duo. Either Ideye or Anichebe has to partner him.

Start with him and Bobby, then sub whichevers getting less of a sniff for the battering ram.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on September 10, 2014, 03:17:03 PM
Not really. I said a few weeks ago if we made him available we'd get £20 million.

I'd be amazed. 12m top.  A lot of people have said Lukuku is overpriced at £28 million, yet he is only 3 months older than Saido and his record is so far ahead of Saido's they shouldn't be spoken about in the same conversation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 10, 2014, 03:28:25 PM
I'd be amazed. 12m top.  A lot of people have said Lukuku is overpriced at £28 million, yet he is only 3 months older than Saido and his record is so far ahead of Saido's they shouldn't be spoken about in the same conversation.

One word. "English".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on September 10, 2014, 04:43:36 PM
I find it hard to believe that a lot of our fans would rather get behind plodders or average players yet continually write off or pick faults on the likes of Berahino. OK so he is raw and has a lot to learn but the kid has great potential. Considering he'd never kicked a ball at this level before the start of last season he's done amazingly well and outshone many other higher profile players we've had. Without the important goals he scored last season we'd have gone down. All of this when played out of position on many occasions. If Brown doesn't do the business then he's our only hope goals wise.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 10, 2014, 04:48:15 PM
One word. "English".

And to us, he's home-grown in club
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 10, 2014, 05:19:16 PM
The bloke has potential. It is up to him whether or not he fulfills it. Competition for a Premier league starting position should be massive and he will have to continue to earn it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba606 on September 10, 2014, 05:38:48 PM
youtube video of saido berahino https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtLA3lV7f_c
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on September 10, 2014, 10:32:26 PM
We're doing to saido what we did to odemwingie, sticking a really good threat on the wing. Honestly think if he played up front with ideye/anichebe he'd score 15+ He has got everything. A 1 in 4 record for us from the wing, we'd kill for varela/blanco/brunt to get that!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 10, 2014, 11:12:41 PM
We're doing to saido what we did to odemwingie, sticking a really good threat on the wing. Honestly think if he played up front with ideye/anichebe he'd score 15+ He has got everything. A 1 in 4 record for us from the wing, we'd kill for varela/blanco/brunt to get that!

He's not as good as Odemwingie, who could play up front on his own, but I do agree it is a waste playing the lad wide.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on September 11, 2014, 12:49:49 AM
He's not as good as Odemwingie, who could play up front on his own, but I do agree it is a waste playing the lad wide.

Let's hope we have real wingers in our squad now and can play and nurture Saido where he belongs. This thinking that we need players that 'can cover a lot of positions' is crap in my humble. We always end up with so many emergency solutions and compromises we look a mess on the pitch as a result. Proper players for proper positions please.

Saido is a different player type to PO. I see Saido as more of a SKP type to pop up and finish off a move rather than go past two or three players to take a shot.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Andio on September 11, 2014, 06:43:40 PM
He's wasted on the wings.

He can't play a lone role as he doesn't have much of a presence.

I honestly believe that if we played him off somebody he would get goals.

The problem is can our team set up to play with 2 up front......
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 12, 2014, 11:47:25 AM
We're doing to saido what we did to odemwingie, sticking a really good threat on the wing. Honestly think if he played up front with ideye/anichebe he'd score 15+ He has got everything. A 1 in 4 record for us from the wing, we'd kill for varela/blanco/brunt to get that!
Fully agree with that
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 12, 2014, 02:01:34 PM
Hodgson could be at the Everton game to look over him & Dawson

 http://www.sportinastorm.com/Premier-League/West-Bromwich-Albion/Berahino-and-Dawson-set-for-England-audition/X1Y84Z1803273?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 12, 2014, 02:05:23 PM
Hodgson could be at the Everton game to look over him & Dawson

 http://www.sportinastorm.com/Premier-League/West-Bromwich-Albion/Berahino-and-Dawson-set-for-England-audition/X1Y84Z1803273?

Might not see either, will they play???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on September 13, 2014, 06:17:40 PM
A bright spark in a dreary performance. Could have had a goal had Ideye managed to roll a five yard pass to him. Deserves to start against Spurs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on September 13, 2014, 06:30:48 PM
If he's any sense he'll put in a transfer request for January, I can't think of a worse team a young striker can play for. Absolutely no service at all, maybe if he has a growth spurt to 18ft he'll get on the end of some of our crosses, but until then,,,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 13, 2014, 06:31:15 PM
The only one to emerge with any credit from that farce

i didnt say poo

The word you're looking for falls victim to our swear filter.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on September 21, 2014, 04:28:33 PM
Very good performance today.

Think he is looking more and more polished every game. I believe he will be a massive player for us over the next few years.

As a young english striker that we produced, we need to hold him in very high esteem.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: SmethDan on September 21, 2014, 04:42:35 PM
Very good performance today.

Think he is looking more and more polished every game. I believe he will be a massive player for us over the next few years.

As a young english striker that we produced, we need to hold him in very high esteem.

Toatlly agree HampshireBaggie, he gave their centre halves problems throughout.
Good strength, movement and drive.
Very mature performance today.
Keep it up young 'un.
 8).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 21, 2014, 04:52:58 PM
Good to see Irvine has faith in him. Could be a very big season for the lad, he really needs to kick on from a decent break out season and it looks like he's doing it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mateinone on September 22, 2014, 12:07:01 AM
It will be a very interesting challenge trying to keep him in the future. I can see him being very much the type the Rogers will come for if he continues his progression.
When the biggest clubs (and bigger $$) come, it can be very hard to say no to.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 22, 2014, 12:10:12 AM
It will be a very interesting challenge trying to keep him in the future. I can see him being very much the type the Rogers will come for if he continues his progression.
When the biggest clubs (and bigger $$) come, it can be very hard to say no to.

He's on a long term contract, so it'll take huge money (plus the English bonus), but he doesn't (as yet) score enough to justify a huge fee. So unless he starts turning into a 15-20 goal a season guy, I think we'll keep him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on September 28, 2014, 08:44:42 AM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/berahino-im-in-the-best-shape-of-my-life-1968221.aspx

This is great to hear.  Also shows what knuckling down and working hard can bring to your game.

We all moaned about AI's appointment but it looks as though training is having a positive effect on players.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 28, 2014, 05:24:30 PM
Carry on like this between now and January and he will be off for £20million to one of the big boys.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on September 28, 2014, 05:56:37 PM
Carry on like this between now and January and he will be off for £20million to one of the big boys.
p

Yes - slow down Saido!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on September 28, 2014, 07:21:38 PM
Carry on like this between now and January and he will be off for £20million to one of the big boys.

30 million if wellbeck goes for 16.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on September 28, 2014, 07:33:34 PM
If it wasn't for the fact England under 21's have their play off's in a couple of weeks, he'd almost certainly be in the next England squad. Hopefully he keeps up this form as he'll certainly be in the squad come November if he keeps this up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 28, 2014, 07:39:12 PM
If we provide him with chances then he will score goals in this division - his second goal today was a terrific finish. I didn't catch his first but it seemed like he had the predatory strikers instincts of being in the right place at the right time. I thought the Berahino on the pitch last season seemed like a player who had been rewarded with his new contract and then proceeded to strut along with the billy big time attitude. I don't know whether it is the coaching staff or the slap that Morrison gave him but he has been a different player over the summer this year. He looks in good shape, he's working very hard whether playing upfront on his own or occupying the wing and he seems happy and enjoying his football.

As it currently stands, he deserves to be the lone striker, Anichebe and our all time record signing are going to have to fight bloody hard in training and take the chance when it comes along because at the minute the shirt is Saido's.

Furthermore, we keep hearing about the good work of the academy and I guess we can now put Saido Berahino down as a big success.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 28, 2014, 10:27:48 PM
Getting a mention in the telegraph. Also the leading English goalscorer this season:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11127094/West-Broms-Saido-Berahino-makes-his-case-for-an-England-call-up-with-double-against-Burnley.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on September 28, 2014, 11:01:50 PM
Got a pic with him aswell:p told him he should be on the phone to hodgson
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on September 28, 2014, 11:21:12 PM
This lad has been emense! If he played for arsenal or any other big team everyone would be going mad lad like they did about januzai (who I think is extremely overrated)he needs to play for the countries first team next to sturridge with sterling! We'd murder the opposition, let's start getting him the recognition he badly deserves! Let's start a chant! "Saido for England! Duh duh duh duh duh" and over again!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on September 28, 2014, 11:27:57 PM
This lad has been emense! If he played for arsenal or any other big team everyone would be going mad lad like they did about januzai (who I think is extremely overrated)he needs to play for the countries first team next to sturridge with sterling! We'd murder the opposition, let's start getting him the recognition he badly deserves! Let's start a chant! "Saido for England! Duh duh duh duh duh" and over again!

Singing that never worked for Houlty, who was at the time easily in the top four English keepers.

Hodgson knows all about Berahino so will call him up when he sees fit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on September 28, 2014, 11:30:18 PM
tbh, i would rather he stays away from all the Johnny big times and stays hungry as long as possible
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on September 28, 2014, 11:30:46 PM
Giving him the support will boost his confidence though I got a pic with him today and told him he needs to playing for England and he said "yA think so"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 29, 2014, 08:20:02 AM
Its time he got a full England call up
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on September 29, 2014, 08:45:07 AM
Giving him the support will boost his confidence though I got a pic with him today and told him he needs to playing for England and he said "yA think so"

Doesn't surprise me hes someone that wouldn't be much fun to have in your company im sure, However must good strikers are arrogant and if he keeps doing the business on the pitch for us i don't really care tbh, Hes movement is first class and hes hold up play is getting better by the game also looks fitter and that's made him a few notches sharper.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on September 29, 2014, 09:19:23 AM
The more I watch him playing upfront the more he reminds me or an early Jermaine Defoe.

Not the tallest, but gets in behind the defence and his runs are quite clever.

His 2nd goal yesterday was brilliant, started his run then curved it to avoid being offside followed by a first time finish.

Keep playing the lad up front and he will score goals.

Dont know if anyone saw the stat on MOTD2 last night, but think it was something like 14 goals in 22 starts (44 appearances) and 9 goals in 11 games for Under 21s or something? If that was a top 6 english striker we would be raving about him!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on September 29, 2014, 01:41:20 PM
For Dawsons goal there keeper was too busy trying to push Saido away from himself than intercepting  the ball & again for Saido 1st,before the corner was taken he was pushing Saido then went to the ball leaving him in free space for a simply headi-in " Saido stepped back a yard helped create that to"

This work was paramount in the opening goals as we didn't look like scoring from open play up to that point.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 29, 2014, 09:59:16 PM
Its time he got a full England call up

I'm not quite so sure. I don't think he's that good yet. He could be the next Defoe, but if we rush him, he could go back to thinking he's a superstar again and loose all the progress he's made.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RuncornBaggie on September 29, 2014, 10:13:26 PM
I'm not quite so sure. I don't think he's that good yet. He could be the next Defoe, but if we rush him, he could go back to thinking he's a superstar again and loose all the progress he's made.

As much as he has had a good start to the season, I don't yet think that he deserves an England call up.  A little premature for me.  Give him until the end of this season (Until Christmas at least) and ten see how he is. 

Look how his performances dipped when he got the new deal.  I feel that they may dip again if he got that call.  I hope that he gets the call eventually........but not just yet.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on September 29, 2014, 10:55:42 PM
When we signed all the defenders in the transfer window, I thought we would really struggle without any new proven goalscorers coming in. Although we got Ideye in, who hasn't really shown anything yet, and we know Anichebe has a very low goals to games ratio, Berahino can get us enough goals to keep us up. Let's hope he is more consistent than last season, when he drifted out of games. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 02, 2014, 11:34:01 AM
Not made it then :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on October 02, 2014, 11:42:41 AM
Not made it then :(

Good.
As soon as he plays for England, scores a couple, we won't be able to hang onto him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 02, 2014, 11:43:10 AM
Better to be in the U21's and play than sat on the bench for the senior squad plus the U21 game is a more important game
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on October 02, 2014, 11:46:32 AM
Better to be in the U21's and play than sat on the bench for the senior squad plus the U21 game is a more important game

Exactly that. Much better getting game time for development
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mini gaardsoe on October 02, 2014, 11:58:21 AM
It's a strong Under 21 squad with Chambers and Shaw also included, exactly how it should be. Make sure we qualify for the tournament and then every Under 21 player should be available for it in the Summer.

Berahino needed a lot more in the Under 21 game than against San Marino where he would only come off the bench for 10 minutes or so.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on October 02, 2014, 12:05:05 PM
He should be in under 21's like he is as he's not ready for the senior side yet I don't think. He will also develop more like others have said and it's a crucial game.

 Gareth Southgate really rates Berahino and I knew he wouldn't be called up for a game against San Marino who I could get a hat trick against!  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: freddy73 on October 02, 2014, 01:03:24 PM
Berahino's going to learn a lot more in the Croatia games, than even 90 mins in a 4-5-6-7 poss 8-0 shots in exercise v San Marino.
In fact every eligible U21 player should be in the U21 squad, Stirling et al.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on October 02, 2014, 01:05:23 PM
As Roy has only picked 3 strikers i suspect Saido may be promoted to the senior squad if any of them get injured this weekend or during the first of the internationals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on October 02, 2014, 03:44:52 PM
I can see Arsenal coming in for him quite soon, he's their kind of player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on October 02, 2014, 04:26:42 PM
As Roy has only picked 3 strikers i suspect Saido may be promoted to the senior squad if any of them get injured this weekend or during the first of the internationals.
I wouldn't bank on it after Hodgson's ridiculous statement today regarding why he chose Lambert over Saido! Ramblings of a mad man, could not possibly have been pre thought out, it makes no sense.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ronnie_allen on October 02, 2014, 04:54:57 PM
I can see Arsenal coming in for him quite soon, he's their kind of player.
He probably get his England cap on signing for Arsenal then before playing a game for them.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Astle1968 on October 02, 2014, 05:14:46 PM
Berahino's going to learn a lot more in the Croatia games, than even 90 mins in a 4-5-6-7 poss 8-0 shots in exercise v San Marino.
In fact every eligible U21 player should be in the U21 squad, Stirling et al.

True, but he would also learn a lot more training with the full squad for a week than he would playing a U21 game.

If he turns out to be the player we hope he can we are going to lose him at some point anyway, and even if it is against teams like San Marino if he had a record of 3 goals in 5 games for the senior England side his value would be north of £20m.

Apart from anything it would just be nice to see an Albion player score and play for England.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 02, 2014, 06:54:53 PM
Don’t understand the clamour from our own fans to get him into the England squad, sure it’s nice to see one of our players being recognised but Berahino is still only 21, let him develop and build some consistency in his game without the pressures of being an England international.   We all know his ego can become a touch out of whack and we also know that his performances fizzled out badly last season, with these factors in mind let him go about his business quietly without throwing him into the pressure cooker that is the national squad solely on the back of some early season form.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on October 02, 2014, 07:23:49 PM
Don’t understand the clamour from our own fans to get him into the England squad, sure it’s nice to see one of our players being recognised but Berahino is still only 21, let him develop and build some consistency in his game without the pressures of being an England international.   We all know his ego can become a touch out of whack and we also know that his performances fizzled out badly last season, with these factors in mind let him go about his business quietly without throwing him into the pressure cooker that is the national squad solely on the back of some early season form.

Not withstanding Hodgson's gibberish I tend to agree with this.

Along with the clamour for Daws to be picked it is premature to talk about Saido being an England player. He had a good start last year and became very average. He's had a good start this year but does need to maintain it.

As for Hodgson, wouldn't it have been better for him to just say "the lad's good, but not ready yet", or even "the U21s need him more"?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on October 02, 2014, 07:42:24 PM
Not withstanding Hodgson's gibberish I tend to agree with this.

Along with the clamour for Daws to be picked it is premature to talk about Saido being an England player. He had a good start last year and became very average. He's had a good start this year but does need to maintain it.

As for Hidgson, wouldn't it have been better for him to just say "the lad's good, but not ready yet", or even "the U21s need him more"?
In a nutshell!
Saido should be allowed to develop and improve without the pressure of being a full international and Hodgson could have said as much, instead he trots out this inane drivel. I am both angry and bemused and I hope Saido and the boys are too, perfect prep for Saturday.
As someone said earlier, stick Hodgson' s nonsense on the dressing room wall.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on October 02, 2014, 07:44:19 PM
Where is this Hodgson quote? I haven't heard or read him say anything of the sort.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MHB WBA on October 02, 2014, 08:18:17 PM
Anyone going to the u21 game at the custard bowl
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: JDWest_Brom on October 03, 2014, 10:14:17 AM
If it wasn't at stupid o'clock I would have gone.

If it wasn't for the U-21 game being an important play off then I feel Berahino would have been in the England squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: freddy73 on October 03, 2014, 12:59:08 PM
"True, but he would also learn a lot more training with the full squad for a week than he would playing a U21 game.

If he turns out to be the player we hope he can we are going to lose him at some point anyway, and even if it is against teams like San Marino if he had a record of 3 goals in 5 games for the senior England side his value would be north of £20m.

Apart from anything it would just be nice to see an Albion player score and play for England"

I'm going to have to disagree with you Astle1968.
I cannot poss see how training with the full squad is going to be of more long term benefit to Berahino (not necessarily us & his transfer value I agree), than playing 2 high pressure U21 games. Now if the U21 games were also against poor opposition, then you may have a point.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on October 03, 2014, 01:30:44 PM
Can see a few teams stiffing around this young man come January especially if his banging In the goals. Peace should put out a statement that he's under contract to the Albion, Irvines comments were foolish at best keep the kid under the radar want to see the lad at the baggies for a while yet'
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 03, 2014, 02:45:43 PM
Can see a few teams stiffing around this young man come January especially if his banging In the goals. Peace should put out a statement that he's under contract to the Albion, Irvines comments were foolish at best keep the kid under the radar want to see the lad at the baggies for a while yet'

The problem with Media Comments is that they are often published out of context.

The interviewer no doubt asked him something like "so, Saido is doing well and "bigger" teams are reportedly keeping track, will you stand in his way if a chance for a big move comes along?" ..... Now AI should have skipped the question, but he's been Naive in answering it with an honest answer, basically if a top 6 team comes in then it's because Saido is getting 15+ goals for us this season and as so, he'd cost alot, but in theory, of course everyone is for sale at the right price..... That then get's reposrted as "Albion striker made avaiable".

The media guys manipulate and distort almost everything. AI has been Naive, but i wouldn't be too worried about this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Yardley on October 03, 2014, 04:38:05 PM
Out of interest how much do you think Berahino is Worth? He reminds me very much of a young Defoe who at the same age in 2004 went to spurs for around 10 million (7 million plus Zamora) Defoe had scored more prem goal but had played many more games, but Berahino's u21 record wipes the floor with Defoe's. I would say if he continues to have a good season and gets between 10-15 goals he must be worth 20 million at least. If Longs worth 12 million and he is only going to get you 6-8 goals a season then Berahino must definitely be over that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 03, 2014, 04:49:32 PM
Out of interest how much do you think Berahino is Worth? He reminds me very much of a young Defoe who at the same age in 2004 went to spurs for around 10 million (7 million plus Zamora) Defoe had scored more prem goal but had played many more games, but Berahino's u21 record wipes the floor with Defoe's. I would say if he continues to have a good season and gets between 10-15 goals he must be worth 20 million at least. If Longs worth 12 million and he is only going to get you 6-8 goals a season then Berahino must definitely be over that.

At the moment it's difficult to say.... But let's say by the end of the season he has stats somewhere around the region of played 40 games, scored 18 goals (he already has 5 from 6 starts and 2 sub appearances afterall.... if his current ratio continued we'd be looking at 25 goals)

Allowing for 18 goals in all comps and maybe an England callup once the U21 playoff is resoved... Then you need to look at Long going for £12 and the Championship players going for £10-12mill.... But then Wellbeck was only £16mill, as was Mario....

I'd say Saido could be worth £16-18mill, if he were on the market. But he won't be, Albion have no need to sell and it would take an over the top bid to land him. With that in mind, we're looking at more like £20-22mill maybe? Lukaku went for £26mill and he's arguably better at this moment in time.

Either way, when you add the sales of Chris Wood, the still unsettled Izzy Brown afair and George Thorne, the Accademy is already paying for it's self, despite the very unfair rules currently in place for youth team development.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on October 03, 2014, 04:52:35 PM
Out of interest how much do you think Berahino is Worth? He reminds me very much of a young Defoe who at the same age in 2004 went to spurs for around 10 million (7 million plus Zamora) Defoe had scored more prem goal but had played many more games, but Berahino's u21 record wipes the floor with Defoe's. I would say if he continues to have a good season and gets between 10-15 goals he must be worth 20 million at least. If Longs worth 12 million and he is only going to get you 6-8 goals a season then Berahino must definitely be over that.

How much is 2004 £10 million in today's football money....?

If Shane Long goes for £12 stupid million Saido, being far younger, English and much more prolific, should easily go for several times Long money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 03, 2014, 05:24:41 PM
To believe whatever Alan Irvine says in the media will have any influence on whether Saido remains an Albion player is in my opinion naive in the extreme.
We are West Brom, if an offer comes in we will consider it and sell on our terms.
Even the worst scout for the worst team will know he is currently the top scoring English player in the Premier League and MOTD II were discussing the merits of an England call up. I would even be willing to bet Alan Shearer has heard of him  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on October 03, 2014, 05:31:14 PM

Either way, when you add the sales of Chris Wood, the still unsettled Izzy Brown afair and George Thorne, the Accademy is already paying for it's self, despite the very unfair rules currently in place for youth team development.

Bet Izzy wished he was getting first team chances with us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 03, 2014, 05:51:52 PM
Bet Izzy wished he was getting first team chances with us.

Izzy's family and agent took the quick cash. Izzy was/is apparently a Chelsea fan, so in some ways I don't blame him, but no doubt it's at least damaged his career, if not killed it.

Can't believe we've not settled it yet, but I don't beleive we have. I've certainly not read/heard anything about it?

It's a great lesson for Saido and others in our current youth teams. Moving to a "big" club is rearely the right thing to do for a youngster.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 03, 2014, 06:26:10 PM
Bet Izzy wished he was getting first team chances with us.
He's probably spending most of his time pointing out that he's a chelski player to wanna be WAGS.  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on October 04, 2014, 05:27:48 PM
Another excellent performance and his penalty was great too. When he stepped up for it I was never in doubt that he wouldn't score, his technique for penalties is very good. The way he held up the ball at times was impressive too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 04, 2014, 05:54:44 PM
Another excellent performance and his penalty was great too. When he stepped up for it I was never in doubt that he wouldn't score, his technique for penalties is very good. The way he held up the ball at times was impressive too.

Totally agree, he really has developed over the past six months. Whoever said whatever to him did a great job.

Bobby is going to have a very tough time getting that strikers role, but that's great news for WBA.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on October 04, 2014, 07:25:09 PM
How good is this guy?! Absolutely brilliant player. Honestly can't see any difference ability wise of him and lukaku who we had at the same age. Had goals to his game last year, now his all round game is superb.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbasoprano on October 04, 2014, 07:59:57 PM
Ability wise you're not far wrong but Lukaku frightened defences with just his sheer size.

Saido is doing a good job up front for us at the moment, long may it continue  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 04, 2014, 08:06:11 PM
Really impressive today. Has come back from criticism last year and worked hard to get where he is at now

Love him and hope this good form continues
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on October 04, 2014, 08:07:56 PM
Another excellent performance and his penalty was great too. When he stepped up for it I was never in doubt that he wouldn't score, his technique for penalties is very good. The way he held up the ball at times was impressive too.

We saw today who is the better bet for England !!!!  A pity Roy's head has been turned by the FA establishment mentality.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 04, 2014, 08:38:34 PM
We saw today who is the better bet for England !!!!  A pity Roy's head has been turned by the FA establishment mentality.

Saido's games in the double header against Croatia will be a far harder couple of games, plus Southgate has said time and again he wanted all those capable to be playing to put England through.

If Saido gets 18 or more and isn't in the England team, then you'll have a point, but right now it's a persecution complex.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 04, 2014, 10:04:12 PM
How good is this guy?! Absolutely brilliant player. Honestly can't see any difference ability wise of him and lukaku who we had at the same age. Had goals to his game last year, now his all round game is superb.
Yep very good striker.More of a Kevin Phillips type than Lukaku.
Same result bangs them in! :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on October 05, 2014, 01:33:47 AM
our best player today didn't stop running,needed more support from midfield
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on October 05, 2014, 07:14:24 AM
Took Roys words and shoved them back in his face. He looked miles sharper than Lambert who looked what he is , a fourth choice striker who has had little or no game time. Gravitas my a%%e more like any more statements like that and Roy should consider dignitas!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on October 05, 2014, 08:50:34 AM
Hes playing in the u21 because they need to qualify for the next stage so they need the best players that we have who are eligible to play,  His time will come thats for sure.
Plus he WILL get more time on the pitch against a better classed team.
 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on October 05, 2014, 08:58:07 AM
Hes playing in the u21 because they need to qualify for the next stage so they need the best players that we have who are eligible to play,  His time will come thats for sure.
Plus he WILL get more time on the pitch against a better classed team.
 
Another point on that , hasn't he played in all the qualifiers ? ....why would take him out the biggest games of all that the Under 21's have worked towards?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 05, 2014, 11:34:06 AM
Took Roys words and shoved them back in his face. He looked miles sharper than Lambert who looked what he is , a fourth choice striker who has had little or no game time. Gravitas my a%%e more like any more statements like that and Roy should consider dignitas!!!

I thought we'd clarified these weren't genuine quotes?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 05, 2014, 03:52:55 PM
I thought we'd clarified these weren't genuine quotes?

We did, some sad act made them up and actually went to the bother of mimicking Roy's way of speaking. Impressive, in a sad way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on October 05, 2014, 03:54:39 PM
Another point on that , hasn't he played in all the qualifiers ? ....why would take him out the biggest games of all that the Under 21's have worked towards?

He is also very close to breaking the top scorer record for the England's u21 of all times
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MarkW on October 10, 2014, 03:53:04 PM
Found this video of Saido (amongst others) training for the England U21.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-B-6BqEBvg&feature=youtu.be

Saido is at 0:35, 1:02, 1:27, 1:57 and 2:38
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on October 10, 2014, 03:55:04 PM
England u21 stream for todays game

http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=284308&part=sports

mods feel free to move has i wasn't sure were to post this
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on October 10, 2014, 04:00:32 PM
Good luck for today Saido, I reckon you will get at least a brace, you are class when you want to be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 10, 2014, 05:37:24 PM
Good luck for today Saido, I reckon you will get at least a brace, you are class when you want to be.

Not sure which of these will work. But here are some streams for them, depending on where in the world you are. I'm about to watch.

http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=284308&part=sports
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: hardtobeat on October 10, 2014, 06:21:29 PM
Croatia much the better team so far
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 10, 2014, 06:59:27 PM
Saido with the assist for the equaliser.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on October 10, 2014, 07:27:27 PM
Just won and scored a penalty
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 10, 2014, 07:28:22 PM
Now he's won and converted a Penalty, all of this while he's been a left wing forward, rather than striker, Kane of Spurs can the lead.

Saido is good and he's getting better. Get that new contract signed JP!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johnny Cash on October 10, 2014, 07:30:03 PM
Now he's won and converted a Penalty, all of this while he's been a left wing forward, rather than striker, Kane of Spurs can the lead.

Saido is good and he's getting better. Get that new contract signed JP!

He's set up the equalised, won a penalty and scored it. Otherwise he's not actually been involved that much.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 10, 2014, 07:35:50 PM
He's set up the equalised, won a penalty and scored it. Otherwise he's not actually been involved that much.

I'd take that each week  8) ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on October 10, 2014, 07:43:26 PM
We knew he had the talent. Now he's showing that he's got his head screwed on as well. This lad is going to go far if he keeps working hard. It won't be long until the big boys come calling. Just hope we get a fair price.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on October 10, 2014, 07:56:52 PM
He has shown that he should have the leading role on the front line of the U21,he will play even better if he play the central role.
I saw that Roy has attended the game,I think Saido will be called up by Roy very soon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 10, 2014, 08:09:37 PM
He's set up the equalised, won a penalty and scored it. Otherwise he's not actually been involved that much.
He made a few clever runs, but the through ball lacked accuracy. Gotta say though, he looked a class act. Sod the big boys, we should be trying to hang on to this lad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: MICKYMEL on October 10, 2014, 08:20:30 PM
Expect big interest in summer if this form carrys on, especially if he gets full England call up
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on October 10, 2014, 08:25:48 PM
A diamond a pure diamond, lost his way for a little while, but now oozing and showing pure class.

Best English striker for more than a generation
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: simonbaggie on October 10, 2014, 08:45:19 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/football/video-1126325/Saido-Berahino-scores-outrageous-volley-brilliant-chip-training.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on October 10, 2014, 08:53:24 PM
5 year contract being discussed
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: socalbaggie on October 10, 2014, 10:09:28 PM
We knew he had the talent. Now he's showing that he's got his head screwed on as well. This lad is going to go far if he keeps working hard. It won't be long until the big boys come calling. Just hope we get a fair price.
I think we can be confident that when or if that day comes JP will get more than a fair price for him!! Add in the fact JP rightly so is irritated to say the least on the lack of return the club has seen from our most promising youngsters in recent years as the bigger clubs can snatch them up for next to nothing so you can bet JP will have that on his mind and will be looking to make up for it on the sale of Saido!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on October 10, 2014, 10:14:16 PM
Get him signed up , and then make them pay. Through the nose . If Shane long is worth 12m the sky is the limit .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on October 10, 2014, 11:15:41 PM
It would be £25 million plus for us to even think about it. As said, 5 year contract is being discussed, hopefully go through quickly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 10, 2014, 11:22:38 PM
It would be £25 million plus for us to even think about it. As said, 5 year contract is being discussed, hopefully go through quickly.

Glad to hear it, he's only signed till 2017, with no option in our favour. So if he carries on like this this season, we would in all honesty have to think about selling him, as otherwise his value drops with each passing window, to an eventual £0.

In all reality, a new contract may end up involving a release clause, but as long as that clause is £25m+ i won't mind, as that's what he's worth adn I wouldn't begrudge him a move to a chmps league club once he's got us 30+ prem goals.

Hopefully this acts as a sign to our current youth kids (Leko is it?) to stay and end up like Saido, not Izzy Brown.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on October 10, 2014, 11:26:52 PM
Shows what football has become if Berahino is worth £25mil.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Avonbaggie on October 10, 2014, 11:30:54 PM
Shows what football has become if Berahino is worth £25mil.

It's true. I'm currently available for £20,000 if anyone is interested. Once scored 2 goals in an U11's match.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 11, 2014, 12:08:20 AM
This lad is going about things the right way and is reaping the rewards

Brilliant stuff fair play Saido keep 'em coming
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on October 11, 2014, 12:24:44 AM
I think Saido is a great prospect and it's ace to have a player from the youth team come through and make a name for himself... But let's be honest with some of our 'fans' if he doesn't score a hat trick v Utd it will be 'gerrim off Irvine put Brown on' ...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on October 11, 2014, 05:36:43 AM
According to the BBC website Spuds want Saido. £15m is the fee that the Sun are guessing at.

Last season I wondered if he was as good as he seemed to think he was. This season he has come on leaps and bounds and £15m just wouldn't be enough based performances and goals so far.

Sooner or later though he is almost certain to move on, but I imagine that when he does it will be to a big club, rather than someone like Tottenham.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on October 11, 2014, 06:32:58 AM
According to the BBC website Spuds want Saido. £15m is the fee that the Sun are guessing at.

Last season I wondered if he was as good as he seemed to think he was. This season he has come on leaps and bounds and £15m just wouldn't be enough based performances and goals so far.

Sooner or later though he is almost certain to move on, but I imagine that when he does it will be to a big club, rather than someone like Tottenham.

I guessed they would be first out of the blocks.
I would imagine that they would be keen to play Berahino and Kane in the same team.
Wonder if Kanes been having a word in his shell like, either way we need to hang on to him for the rest of this season and hope Brown gets his act together ready for next season.
Reast assured if the right offer comes in we will have no option but to sell
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on October 11, 2014, 08:38:42 AM
£15m is just laughable for a young English goalscorer in the current climate so no a chance of that and I doubt Spuds would be big enough and rich enough to afford him if he keeps up his form.

Let's just enjoy him whilst he with us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on October 11, 2014, 09:19:15 AM
It's all good saying £15million-£30million but think about it, we'll just get free's and spend max £2-3mill on a washed up player, and peace will keep the rest, but can you think of anyone worth say £20million who would come to a non champions league team?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on October 11, 2014, 09:36:07 AM
Spuds will have to double bid for this kid just to get jps attention, and then it will be one of the top four who in the
end gets him for north of 30 million but not yet not yet
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: leeiswba on October 11, 2014, 10:35:19 AM
I'd say actual football ability and potential - 7-9m

The fact he is English and the fact other English players have gone for ridiculous money we should definitely be looking £20m+

Hopefully though we just keep him but I can't see happening
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on October 11, 2014, 10:46:05 AM
I'd say actual football ability and potential - 7-9m

The fact he is English and the fact other English players have gone for ridiculous money we should definitely be looking £20m+

Hopefully though we just keep him but I can't see happening

Even if he wasn't English his football ability and potential is a lot more than 7-9 million  ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 11, 2014, 11:04:56 AM
It's all good saying £15million-£30million but think about it, we'll just get free's and spend max £2-3mill on a washed up player, and peace will keep the rest.

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

We operate at more than 70% wages to turn over. The signing on fees on Lescott and the other new lads, plus the fees for Bobby and co (which alone are worth in excess of £16mill net) mean we've easily spent £20mill on signing people, but yeah, JP will keep it all.... Doesn't it get boring repeating the same obviously not true stuff constantly?

In regards to Saido, If he signing a new contract, great, if not, then we may have to sell this summer, but certainly not this January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 11, 2014, 11:08:24 AM
Zzzzzzzzzzzz

We operate at more than 70% wages to turn over. The signing on fees on Lescott and the other new lads, plus the fees for Bobby and co (which alone are worth in excess of £16mill net) mean we've easily spent £20mill on signing people, but yeah, JP will keep it all.... Doesn't it get boring repeating the same obviously not true stuff constantly?

In regards to Saido, If he signing a new contract, great, if not, then we may have to sell this summer, but certainly not this January.

I thought the same...

Its getting boring now with people farting out these ridiculous posts on JP
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 11, 2014, 11:25:03 AM
At the end of the season we will have two years to run on his current deal so there is no good reason to sell in January unless there is a huge offer (£15m is not huge in this context) if he does not commit to an extended contract the clock is ticking from next summer and I would be very surprised if he is not sold. In the meantime here is youtube clip of his best bits to date
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJp7d5xIPHk
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on October 11, 2014, 11:32:53 AM
A lot of contracts these days have a buyout clause. When Saido's improved deal was sorted last year, it wouldn't be too surprising if he had a buyout figure of around £15m included in that.
I guess if a club met that, it would then depend on how the clause is viewed legally and whether or not Saido wanted to go to the club making the offer, as to whether we could keep him in that circumstance.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 11, 2014, 12:25:19 PM
A lot of contracts these days have a buyout clause. When Saido's improved deal was sorted last year, it wouldn't be too surprising if he had a buyout figure of around £15m included in that.
I guess if a club met that, it would then depend on how the clause is viewed legally and whether or not Saido wanted to go to the club making the offer, as to whether we could keep him in that circumstance.

Given his situation and how things were going at that point, i doubt he'd have a clause currently, partly due to his not setting the world alight at that point, so why would anyone envisage a huge bid? Partly also because i think Albion are very reluctant to have such clauses. Apart from Jonas being able to move to London is a european club came in, i don't know of any others we've got in players contract.

Having said that, as a negotiation point I'd expect us to agree to one in a new long term contract with Saido, otherwise i don't expect he'd sign.

All of this is idle speculation of course.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: CL3MO on October 11, 2014, 12:49:27 PM
I can't believe some of the exaggerated quotes being branded about on here. 25 million!? He's had a good start to the season, but it's only 5 goals (two of them penalties!)

I'm hoping we aren't going into a new contract already, as we made this mistake last season. His from drastically tailed off after those contract negotiations.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on October 11, 2014, 01:11:19 PM
I can't believe some of the exaggerated quotes being branded about on here. 25 million!? He's had a good start to the season, but it's only 5 goals (two of them penalties!)

I'm hoping we aren't going into a new contract already, as we made this mistake last season. His from drastically tailed off after those contract negotiations.

Calum Chambers moved to Arsenal for 16m based on 20 games. Strikers always cost a lot more than defenders and Berahino's one of the best young striker in the country. Even Zaha cost 16m and he was far from the best player in the championship that season and was always extremely patchy in form. Maybe not 25m, but if he can hit 15 goals this season it'll certainly be around there. Consider people like Troy Deeney had bids of 12m in the summer. Not too mention Shane Long, whom Berahino has already almost matched his best goalscoring season in this league.

Besides which, it'll be his all round game that'll be impressing as much as his goalscoring at the moment. His touch is excellent, he's developed into a really good player with his back to goal and keeps the ball well, and crucially for a striker his off the ball movement is superb.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: phat_vapor on October 11, 2014, 01:53:23 PM
i think jp will stick a 25-35m price tag on him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on October 11, 2014, 02:16:38 PM
If he keeps on banging in the goals then 30 million plus for s young English striker with transfer potential is peanuts in the crazy world of professional football add to that England caps then jp must be rubbing his hands with glee
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on October 11, 2014, 04:10:06 PM
Look at it this way, saw we get £25mill, who would we buy with it?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 11, 2014, 05:11:26 PM
Calum Chambers moved to Arsenal for 16m based on 20 games. Strikers always cost a lot more than defenders and Berahino's one of the best young striker in the country. Even Zaha cost 16m and he was far from the best player in the championship that season and was always extremely patchy in form. Maybe not 25m, but if he can hit 15 goals this season it'll certainly be around there. Consider people like Troy Deeney had bids of 12m in the summer. Not too mention Shane Long, whom Berahino has already almost matched his best goalscoring season in this league.

Besides which, it'll be his all round game that'll be impressing as much as his goalscoring at the moment. His touch is excellent, he's developed into a really good player with his back to goal and keeps the ball well, and crucially for a striker his off the ball movement is superb.

Absolutely...for a striker movement will determine for me how good you can be, add that with some pace and good finishing ability and it makes for an exciting future of watching this lad.

I really believe he could go to the very top
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on October 11, 2014, 05:52:49 PM
Calm down, calm down, the kid has had a good start to the season, BUT £25m !!!!
What price would Raheem Sterling generate then?

I seriously think some people are losing perspective here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 11, 2014, 06:26:51 PM
Calm down, calm down, the kid has had a good start to the season, BUT £25m !!!!
What price would Raheem Sterling generate then?

I seriously think some people are losing perspective here.
£48 Million.... apparently.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 11, 2014, 07:32:45 PM
£25m easily. Its not what he is worth, its what these big clubs would be stupid enough to pay. JP will take them to the cleaners.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on October 11, 2014, 08:35:02 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-bromwich-albion-baggies-prepare-7920943
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on October 12, 2014, 11:25:02 AM
If we sold him I'd like to see demba ba
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 12, 2014, 11:36:43 AM
If we sold him I would not like to see us replace him with a 30 year old that would do us no good a a club

I have no problem with Demba Ba but not as a replacement for Berahino.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on October 12, 2014, 12:54:17 PM
Hearing a 4+1 year deal is on the cards, also worth 40k plus. Likely to sign within next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 12, 2014, 12:58:40 PM
Hearing a 4+1 year deal is on the cards, also worth 40k plus. Likely to sign within next couple of weeks.

That's a good contract for both sides, if he keeps scoring there's no chance of him seeing it out. It's all about increasing the eventual fee. God help us if/when we sell as the Internet moaners will complain no matter what happens.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: CL3MO on October 12, 2014, 02:48:08 PM
Calum Chambers moved to Arsenal for 16m based on 20 games. Strikers always cost a lot more than defenders and Berahino's one of the best young striker in the country. Even Zaha cost 16m and he was far from the best player in the championship that season and was always extremely patchy in form. Maybe not 25m, but if he can hit 15 goals this season it'll certainly be around there. Consider people like Troy Deeney had bids of 12m in the summer. Not too mention Shane Long, whom Berahino has already almost matched his best goalscoring season in this league.

Besides which, it'll be his all round game that'll be impressing as much as his goalscoring at the moment. His touch is excellent, he's developed into a really good player with his back to goal and keeps the ball well, and crucially for a striker his off the ball movement is superb.

I think at the end of last season, if he was sold for anything in between 4-5 mill, a lot of albion fans would have took that. Let's rewind two/three weeks ago, after that Everton defeat, and we were all looking at where our goals were coming from. I just find everybody branding around these ridiculous fees about a bit silly after a couple of good goals and a few well placed penalties. I have been impressed with his hold up and link up play though. I guess we'll see what his value is come January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on October 12, 2014, 04:13:52 PM
I think at the end of last season, if he was sold for anything in between 4-5 mill, a lot of albion fans would have took that. Let's rewind two/three weeks ago, after that Everton defeat, and we were all looking at where our goals were coming from. I just find everybody branding around these ridiculous fees about a bit silly after a couple of good goals and a few well placed penalties. I have been impressed with his hold up and link up play though. I guess we'll see what his value is come January.
I'm with you on this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on October 12, 2014, 07:21:03 PM
On the basis of tonight's game against Estonia, I would have had Berahino as a shoe in, Wellbeck was utterly woeful, and how does Lambert get in?

I know Saido was quite rightly saved for the U21 game, but he would do a damn sight better than Wellbeck and Lambert, lallana and the ret of them anyday.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GREGMT on October 12, 2014, 09:52:22 PM
He plays for an unfashionable team so doesn't get picked, simple as.  Even in the U21 game he was required to play as a winger as Harry Kane was the target man, a position Kane doesn't even play for Spurs.

As soon as Berahino signs for a "big club" he'll be selected for England just like what happened with Bryan Robson.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 12, 2014, 10:08:23 PM
Bryan Robson played for England before he left Albion,
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on October 12, 2014, 10:46:58 PM
Bryan Robson played for England before he left Albion,
factually correct, however us owd uns can cite Statham, brown, astle as players who should have got England caps aplently but were overlooked for players from more fashionable clubs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 12, 2014, 10:48:11 PM
Bryan Robson played for England before he left Albion,

I idolised Bryan and find myself doing the same a bit with Saido....

If we draw all these parallels mate Saido will make a $#1T manager!!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on October 13, 2014, 09:05:21 AM
I think at the end of last season, if he was sold for anything in between 4-5 mill, a lot of albion fans would have took that. Let's rewind two/three weeks ago, after that Everton defeat, and we were all looking at where our goals were coming from. I just find everybody branding around these ridiculous fees about a bit silly after a couple of good goals and a few well placed penalties. I have been impressed with his hold up and link up play though. I guess we'll see what his value is come January.

You may well think it's silly but thats the current market for an English goalscorer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Greenock Baggie on October 13, 2014, 10:05:52 AM
Why  there all this talk of selling the kid, WHY do we "have to sell2 him, its not like we don't have a pot to pee in like we did when we sold Robson and Cunningham where we were only surviving by selling our top players. We re on a financial "even keel" now. Don't get me wrong if silly money is offered then we should look at it but he's only been in our first team five minutes, lets get some usage out of him before we offload him to the highest bidder, and by that I mean three or four years, not half a season FFS !!. A lot can change in those years, just ask Man United.

Really gets my goat all this talk of how much he's worth and this team or that team are looking at him and preparing bids, its all going to unsettle him and this type of crap is adding fuel to the fire. I personally hope JP has the cahoonas to tell anyone who comes what to do with themselves, at least for the next 4 years ( or 5 if he signs his new contract )  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on October 13, 2014, 10:27:55 AM
Why  there all this talk of selling the kid, WHY do we "have to sell2 him, its not like we don't have a pot to pee in like we did when we sold Robson and Cunningham where we were only surviving by selling our top players. We re on a financial "even keel" now. Don't get me wrong if silly money is offered then we should look at it but he's only been in our first team five minutes, lets get some usage out of him before we offload him to the highest bidder, and by that I mean three or four years, not half a season FFS !!. A lot can change in those years, just ask Man United.

Really gets my goat all this talk of how much he's worth and this team or that team are looking at him and preparing bids, its all going to unsettle him and this type of crap is adding fuel to the fire. I personally hope JP has the cahoonas to tell anyone who comes what to do with themselves, at least for the next 4 years ( or 5 if he signs his new contract )  >:( >:( >:(

I think the contract simply increases his fee. There's no chance unfortunately that he will see out the contract. I think he will stick it out this season and next season. I don't think it's a case of wanting to sell him, but if he has a few good seasons the value will just rocket.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 13, 2014, 01:07:32 PM
I think the contract simply increases his fee. There's no chance unfortunately that he will see out the contract. I think he will stick it out this season and next season. I don't think it's a case of wanting to sell him, but if he has a few good seasons the value will just rocket.

Agreed, in the projected future where by he scores 16 this season and 20 the next and we're still midtable, then I for one can't argue with the lad moving on, we get a huge fee to invest and he gets to play at a higher level.

The concept of keeping him forever and paying no regards to his wants is unrealistic.

I'm aware at this point some droll wag will have a go about JP investing a windfall, but that's another issue.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: we8seals on October 14, 2014, 01:20:32 PM
Anyone who thinks that Saido will be in an albion shirt at the start of next season - assuming his continued improvement - is in dreamland. Its not a case of Albion wanting to sell or JP having ambition or the balls to say he is not for sale. The reality is that bigger and wealthier clubs will come calling and once his head has been turned, which it most surely will be, he will go. That is just the reality of the Premier League and our place in the natural order of things, there simply is nothing we can do about it. The best we can do is improve our league position and pay - as we have started to do - higher wages and thus reduce the number of clubs that he might go to. If one of the top 5 or 6 come for him he will be gone! But a measure of how far we have come is that it the number of British clubs he might go to is a lot smaller than it used to be!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on October 14, 2014, 01:34:01 PM
£20million and I would walk to the buying club to get the money.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie82 on October 14, 2014, 01:43:02 PM
Anyone who thinks that Saido will be in an albion shirt at the start of next season - assuming his continued improvement - is in dreamland.

In that case why is Bony still playing for Swansea, are Swansea a bigger club than West Brom?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on October 14, 2014, 01:46:38 PM
In that case why is Bony still playing for Swansea, are Swansea a bigger club than West Brom?

He's not English though.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: albiontilidie on October 14, 2014, 01:53:34 PM
espicially with the new rulings it adds money to the players and makes all the english players move to the bigger clubs
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on October 14, 2014, 02:04:46 PM
He's not English though.

So wouldn't that make him cheaper and therefore more attractive to the bigger clubs?

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on October 14, 2014, 02:17:49 PM
But a measure of how far we have come is that it the number of British clubs he might go to is a lot smaller than it used to be!

Interesting point. What is also encouraging is that the club have actually produced a player of this quality, and given the progress of O'Neil and one or two others it is evidence that the academy is beginning to produce the goods.

Like others, JP included, I have wondered if it's worth the trouble and expense, but the more youth that come through, the fewer will follow the Izzie Brown route and jump ship for a life of bench warming.

Saido has had more experience in the Premier League and consequently huge exposure, far more than his contemporaries (I guess they amay have never all played together, someone who follows the youths will tell us I'm sure, but you get my drift) who left to chase the money. They must look at him and wonder if they did the right thing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on October 14, 2014, 02:51:49 PM
So wouldn't that make him cheaper and therefore more attractive to the bigger clubs?

Wouldn't have though so with the home grown rule and the chance to have a potential star England player amongst the ranks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on October 16, 2014, 05:19:50 PM
£20million and I would walk to the buying club to get the money.

i'd hold out for £25m  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 16, 2014, 08:01:26 PM
£20million and I would walk to the buying club to get the money.

Seeing as Long cost £12mill and we'd have to buy a replacement. We'd be looking at £12-15mill minimum really to replace Saido. Then you're looking at signing on fee's wages and the fact that he'd probably come from abroad, so people on here would moan about him not having Prem experience.

We'll be creating real problems for ourselves if we don't get at least £25mill and I'd prefer we didn't sell at all unless Saido forces our hand.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 17, 2014, 12:54:46 PM
In that case why is Bony still playing for Swansea, are Swansea a bigger club than West Brom?

Because Liverpool weren't preapared to pay what Swansea wanted for him this past Summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on October 17, 2014, 12:57:04 PM
Seeing as Long cost £12mill and we'd have to buy a replacement. We'd be looking at £12-15mill minimum really to replace Saido. Then you're looking at signing on fee's wages and the fact that he'd probably come from abroad, so people on here would moan about him not having Prem experience.

We'll be creating real problems for ourselves if we don't get at least £25mill and I'd prefer we didn't sell at all unless Saido forces our hand.
Agree would be a big risk if he keeps up this form that is.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on October 21, 2014, 12:12:17 AM
Brilliant performance tonight. Reminds me of KP at times and is vindication of the good work that we do in the academy.

Something that I can't understand is why he doesn't have the love and adoration of the crowd. Any other club that had a player that has come through the ranks, a striker and a potential England striker at that, would be adored but it doesn't seem to be that way with Saido. I don't think I've ever heard the Hawthorns join together in a song for him, not even tonight after such a good performance.

I know he had misdemeanours last season but he was and is a young guy, definitely forgivable in my eyes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 21, 2014, 12:34:52 AM
Brilliant performance tonight. Reminds me of KP at times and is vindication of the good work that we do in the academy.

Something that I can't understand is why he doesn't have the love and adoration of the crowd. Any other club that had a player that has come through the ranks, a striker and a potential England striker at that, would be adored but it doesn't seem to be that way with Saido. I don't think I've ever heard the Hawthorns join together in a song for him, not even tonight after such a good performance.

I know he had misdemeanours last season but he was and is a young guy, definitely forgivable in my eyes.
remember, folks were prepared to get rid for anything after that, some believe in the one strike system and it'll take more than a few goals to change that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 21, 2014, 06:04:17 AM
. I don't think I've ever heard the Hawthorns join together in a song for him, not even tonight after such a good performance.


Well I am 68 years old, and my family say I'm going deaf but even I joined in last night Saido,Saido Saido, Saido Saido,
BERAHINO. I can only assume you were watching on TV.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Quakes Fan on October 21, 2014, 06:42:11 AM
Well I am 68 years old, and my family say I'm going deaf but even I joined in last night Saido,Saido Saido, Saido Saido,
BERAHINO. I can only assume you were watching on TV.

I was watching 5200 miles away on an Internet stream, and I heard it loud and clear.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 21, 2014, 08:22:13 AM
Before I start let me say this is purely my personal opinion & in no way is it meant to be provocative or an attempt to get people up in arms.

I watched Saido very carefully last night & other then his goal I thought his was the worst performance of the whole team, he was lazy at times, his hold up play was poor for the most part, the couple of times he did get the ball under & shield it he elected to try & keep it against 2 or 3 defenders when a simple pass to an Albion player was on & ended up losing it.

I appreciate he's still a young lad & playing up front on your own is never easy (especially against the top teams) but for me he has a lot of improving to do if he is to become as good as many think he can, hopefully he'll mature & begin to understand football is very much a team game & as such he has to work a hell of a lot harder then he did last night.

I have no axe to grind with SB just a little realisation that he hasn't 'arrived' yet & as one of the post's above mentioned maybe this is why all our fans don't chant his name universally, if he can improve his work rate (up to him) & the coaching staff can develop his leading of the line we might just have this mega million pound player that many are waxing lyrical about, till then its very much a 'work in progress' for me   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on October 21, 2014, 09:06:22 AM
Before I start let me say this is purely my personal opinion & in no way is it meant to be provocative or an attempt to get people up in arms.

I watched Saido very carefully last night & other then his goal I thought his was the worst performance of the whole team, he was lazy at times, his hold up play was poor for the most part, the couple of times he did get the ball under & shield it he elected to try & keep it against 2 or 3 defenders when a simple pass to an Albion player was on & ended up losing it.

I appreciate he's still a young lad & playing up front on your own is never easy (especially against the top teams) but for me he has a lot of improving to do if he is to become as good as many think he can, hopefully he'll mature & begin to understand football is very much a team game & as such he has to work a hell of a lot harder then he did last night.

I have no axe to grind with SB just a little realisation that he hasn't 'arrived' yet & as one of the post's above mentioned maybe this is why all our fans don't chant his name universally, if he can improve his work rate (up to him) & the coaching staff can develop his leading of the line we might just have this mega million pound player that many are waxing lyrical about, till then its very much a 'work in progress' for me

Personally I'd agree with most of that.
Last night, at times, we were looking for a forward just to hold the ball up and relieve the pressure but time again it just came back at us.
I'd agree that at times his decision making was pretty poor going for the Holywood finale rather than a simple lay off, but again that is something he wil learn with time and games under his belt.
The faults that are currently in his game are, in my opinion, the faults that will reduce the number of £15m suitors (according to some posters) that will come in for him.
All that said with the right nurturing he will no doubt become hot property sooner or later.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on October 21, 2014, 09:25:41 AM
He was very isolated in the 2nd half far to much with little to no service & the time's we did get the ball up to him 2/3 defenders were all over him like a rash & with on support would lose the ball 9 times out of 10.
He's still a rough diamond but he's a diamond neither the less.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on October 21, 2014, 09:36:12 AM
Well I am 68 years old, and my family say I'm going deaf but even I joined in last night Saido,Saido Saido, Saido Saido,
BERAHINO. I can only assume you were watching on TV.

I was at the game, I am a season ticket holder. Interesting then, I sit at the back of the Brummie and didn't really hear anything - certainly not all four sides of the stadium together. Maybe there's less Berahino love inthe Brimmie! It appears there were cheers, I'm glad, I feel it's deserved.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on October 21, 2014, 09:49:42 AM
Before I start let me say this is purely my personal opinion & in no way is it meant to be provocative or an attempt to get people up in arms.

I watched Saido very carefully last night & other then his goal I thought his was the worst performance of the whole team, he was lazy at times, his hold up play was poor for the most part, the couple of times he did get the ball under & shield it he elected to try & keep it against 2 or 3 defenders when a simple pass to an Albion player was on & ended up losing it.

I appreciate he's still a young lad & playing up front on your own is never easy (especially against the top teams) but for me he has a lot of improving to do if he is to become as good as many think he can, hopefully he'll mature & begin to understand football is very much a team game & as such he has to work a hell of a lot harder then he did last night.

I have no axe to grind with SB just a little realisation that he hasn't 'arrived' yet & as one of the post's above mentioned maybe this is why all our fans don't chant his name universally, if he can improve his work rate (up to him) & the coaching staff can develop his leading of the line we might just have this mega million pound player that many are waxing lyrical about, till then its very much a 'work in progress' for me

I have to agree with this. I'm a big fan of his and it's good to see him playing through the middle. However I do think he needs someone alongside him to look after him. Granted he was left isolated at times last night but we needed the ball to stick up top to relive the pressure. I actually though Sess was poor too aside from his goal. I really think we should have brought on Ideye or Anichebe late on in the game to give us an outlet. Instead we've just dropped deeper and invited pressure. Overall you have to be happy with a point as for long periods we were second best. Not surprising when you see the quality they have on offer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on October 21, 2014, 09:50:59 AM
There will be games when he is fed constantly , last night wasn't one of those games. I thought he did well and held the ball up well on occasion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on October 21, 2014, 09:52:07 AM
He's just raw and inexperienced, as well as extremely talented.  He is still learning the game.

We have to be patient - the wait will be worthwhile!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hulsey74 on October 21, 2014, 10:14:52 AM
I have to agree with this. I'm a big fan of his and it's good to see him playing through the middle. However I do think he needs someone alongside him to look after him. Granted he was left isolated at times last night but we needed the ball to stick up top to relive the pressure. I actually though Sess was poor too aside from his goal. I really think we should have brought on Ideye or Anichebe late on in the game to give us an outlet. Instead we've just dropped deeper and invited pressure. Overall you have to be happy with a point as for long periods we were second best. Not surprising when you see the quality they have on offer.

And i agree with this too :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on October 21, 2014, 10:34:22 AM
It's really tough to criticise Saido this season. He has come on leaps and bounds from last term, when he looked disinterested and unfit much of the time.

From the first game this season he has looked sharper, fitter and more likely to score.

Don't forget it's just his second season, and he is leading the scoring charts.

Personally I was critical of him last season, I don't feel it would be at all justified this time. As someone has said, he is a diamond.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on October 21, 2014, 10:36:32 AM
They both drift in and out sess and saido but while saido is scoring i wont criticize as that's what we need to keep us in this league a goalscorer its the most important thing to have in the side, Not just in game time this season but i watched a couple clips on hes finishing in training and it really is instinctive almost defoe esk, We keep him injury free and in my eyes we got enough to cause teams problems, Successful teams in the prem have a focal point in attack swansea have Bony Saints have Pele Stoke have Adam at the moment our man is saido and he looks like scoring every game which is something will desperately missed from last seasons abysmal showings.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on October 21, 2014, 12:00:58 PM

Anybody remember the days when we worried about how we would find a striker to replace the lost goals of Odemwingie or Lukaku?  A 15 goal a season Premiership striker.   

And this one cost us NOTHING!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on October 21, 2014, 12:13:53 PM
Anybody remember the days when we worried about how we would find a striker to replace the lost goals of Odemwingie or Lukaku?  A 15 goal a season Premiership striker.   

And this one cost us NOTHING!!!

Doesn't just score against the smaller sides either. Got a gem, needs investment and patience from the fans too but could get a hatful this season. Going to need thos great through balls to continue, that's why Brunt is so valuable to the team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VANDERLEI on October 21, 2014, 12:41:00 PM
Before I start let me say this is purely my personal opinion & in no way is it meant to be provocative or an attempt to get people up in arms.

I watched Saido very carefully last night & other then his goal I thought his was the worst performance of the whole team, he was lazy at times, his hold up play was poor for the most part, the couple of times he did get the ball under & shield it he elected to try & keep it against 2 or 3 defenders when a simple pass to an Albion player was on & ended up losing it.

I appreciate he's still a young lad & playing up front on your own is never easy (especially against the top teams) but for me he has a lot of improving to do if he is to become as good as many think he can, hopefully he'll mature & begin to understand football is very much a team game & as such he has to work a hell of a lot harder then he did last night.

I have no axe to grind with SB just a little realisation that he hasn't 'arrived' yet & as one of the post's above mentioned maybe this is why all our fans don't chant his name universally, if he can improve his work rate (up to him) & the coaching staff can develop his leading of the line we might just have this mega million pound player that many are waxing lyrical about, till then its very much a 'work in progress' for me

I completely disagree. I think his anonymity for a big chunk of the game was our inability to get the ball forward via the midfield. Berahino is a striker that will thrive on service, not an Anichebe that will fight for aerial balls then hold the ball up. I don't think it is fair to criticize  SB at all as when provided with the service he needs he finished in world class style. The only criticism I would level at him would have been that he should have went to ground after being blatantly fouled in their area. We would have had a penalty if he hadn't have stayed on his feet, but that is inexperience. All in all, last night would have added value and interest rather than detract from it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 21, 2014, 01:05:07 PM
Anybody remember the days when we worried about how we would find a striker to replace the lost goals of Odemwingie or Lukaku?  A 15 goal a season Premiership striker.   

And this one cost us NOTHING!!!

I'm sure all the time and effort the academy have devoted into improving him as a player would love to hear their work described as nothing.

The cost still isn't massive, but it's not as though hes cost us absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie53 on October 21, 2014, 01:12:06 PM
Lots of strikers are anonymous for large parts of the game - but when he was put through for our second goal there was no doubt in my mind that he would put it away.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2014, 01:21:12 PM
30 million being touted by sports chat shows, i hope we can hang on to him in Jan
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on October 21, 2014, 01:38:21 PM
Berahino is the real deal.  :o

I'd expect to get £25-30m for him. Next Season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 21, 2014, 01:48:06 PM
I thought he was excellent last night.

I do agree though with some of the other posters that he held the ball up well but then tried to do too much when a simpler lay off would have been better.

However he is young and is learning the game and this will come with games and experience.

A top top finisher this lad is and I think he will get 15 league goals min this season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 21, 2014, 02:20:10 PM
I completely disagree. I think his anonymity for a big chunk of the game was our inability to get the ball forward via the midfield. Berahino is a striker that will thrive on service, not an Anichebe that will fight for aerial balls then hold the ball up. I don't think it is fair to criticize  SB at all as when provided with the service he needs he finished in world class style. The only criticism I would level at him would have been that he should have went to ground after being blatantly fouled in their area. We would have had a penalty if he hadn't have stayed on his feet, but that is inexperience. All in all, last night would have added value and interest rather than detract from it.

Strangely enough I completely agree with a lot of what you've said, although, I believe nobody is above 'constructive criticism', which is what I've tried to show in my post having watched the game in the flesh last night & again the recording this morning, I've not suggested that Saido becomes an Anichebe, as sadly big Vic doesn't score enough goals, however he needs to add a much higher work ethic to his game & a better awareness of the players around him if he wants to get to the top.

Of course I was delighted with the team performance last night but just like when we win I don't think every player was brilliant & when we lose I don't become manic depressive & exclaim that all the players need to go, problem with many fans is the final result tends to sway their judgement on how the team & individuals have played, as I said, just my opinion.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 21, 2014, 03:40:26 PM
30 million being touted by sports chat shows, i hope we can hang on to him in Jan

Surviving the season is worth more to us. If he doesn't sign a new contract, then he'll only have 2 years to run by that point and maybe he'll be worth selling then (having scored 18+ goals and being in the England team).

It would take a gigantic offer for us to sell in Jan as it would risk our season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: heycreative on October 21, 2014, 04:11:24 PM
I'm expecting Liverpool will be in for him in January. They are struggle up front and he's exactly the type of player Rodgers likes. They've over spent on a lot of players in the summer, imagine they'll do the same for saido.
If not, a swap deal for ballotelli anyone? ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on October 21, 2014, 04:19:58 PM
I'm expecting Liverpool will be in for him in January. They are struggle up front and he's exactly the type of player Rodgers likes. They've over spent on a lot of players in the summer, imagine they'll do the same for saido.
If not, a swap deal for ballotelli anyone? ;)

I'd rather have a Telly Tubby.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on October 21, 2014, 11:08:38 PM
He seems to strike the ball so cleanly with either foot. He can work the channels for a goal like last night. He can poach goals AND although he hasn't produced one this season yet, he can ping it with either foot from the edge of the box.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on October 21, 2014, 11:43:37 PM
I think he's getting physically stronger too and maturing at a rapid rate. We've got a seriously good player here lads. Keeping out our record signing too!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 22, 2014, 10:19:25 AM
I completely disagree. I think his anonymity for a big chunk of the game was our inability to get the ball forward via the midfield. Berahino is a striker that will thrive on service, not an Anichebe that will fight for aerial balls then hold the ball up. I don't think it is fair to criticize  SB at all as when provided with the service he needs he finished in world class style. The only criticism I would level at him would have been that he should have went to ground after being blatantly fouled in their area. We would have had a penalty if he hadn't have stayed on his feet, but that is inexperience. All in all, last night would have added value and interest rather than detract from it.
Strange as it may seem, I'm proud that one of our players actually attempted to stay on his feet, when the easier option would've been to cheat.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on October 22, 2014, 11:04:15 AM
Strange as it may seem, I'm proud that one of our players actually attempted to stay on his feet, when the easier option would've been to cheat.

Exactly what my son said to me at the time. After years of watching Shane Long collapse when a defender looked at him it was quite refreshing to see Saido stand his ground and try to gain a fair advantage.

And two minutes later he got his reward with the goal.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on October 22, 2014, 01:18:21 PM
Good player, good attitude, will be become a massive fans favourite if he keeps this up.

Fell of the rails a little bit last season, but got his act back together, and is showing what he is capable of.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 22, 2014, 01:20:58 PM
well done Odemwonga for motivating him. By far our biggest name player
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 24, 2014, 07:27:26 PM
Idiotic comment on the Birmingham mail page. I've left a comment. I get so angry at stupid short term thinking.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-baggies-need-7993383?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on October 24, 2014, 08:27:35 PM
who the bloody hell is Bill Howell ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Downunder Stripes on October 24, 2014, 08:59:50 PM
who the bloody hell is Bill Howell ???
He is the Dingles correspondent for the mail !!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Aixelsyd on October 24, 2014, 09:38:19 PM
Idiotic comment on the Birmingham mail page. I've left a comment. I get so angry at stupid short term thinking.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-baggies-need-7993383?

then they won.... it is a troll piece just to get responses.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 24, 2014, 09:41:51 PM
then they won.... it is a troll piece just to get responses.

You would expect better from a professional newspaper wouldn't you? Just a let down.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mat15(MH) on October 24, 2014, 10:01:21 PM
Bit of a strange piece for someone who is actually an Albion fan. I can, kind of, see what he means but he's not really put it the best way.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on October 25, 2014, 06:42:21 AM
Alan Irvine is considering asking Ian Wright to give Saido Berahino one-on-one coaching to ensure his finishing gets even better.
The West Bromwich Albion head coach played alongside Wright at Crystal Palace in the late 80s and can see similarities in Berahino.
Wright went on to score nine times in 33 England games and for a period was Arsenal’s recorded scorer with 185 goals.

Berahino, 21, is now tipped to win his first England cap soon after having taken his Premier League tally this season to six with a fine goal against Manchester United last Monday.
Irvine said: ‘I played with Ian at Crystal Palace and Wrighty had that energy and enthusiasm and wanted to run in behind people. Saido needs to keep on doing that.
‘Ian became better as he went on, he was one who stayed behind at the end of training and practised.

‘I have spoken to Saido and said that Ian and I have chatted about him. If I feel Saido could do with a little bit of extra help, I might well (ask Wright to help out). I would be frightened what he might do with him!
'Saido has got great potential and at 21 Ian was raw. But he had real potential, what he did was kept on working at his game.
‘That’s where Saido could be, a top striker. But he needs to maintain this approach he has got at this moment.
‘The big danger would be if he gets distracted by anything else that goes on, or if he just loses that little bit of focus.’


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2807173/Saido-Berahino-benefit-coached-Ian-Wright-says-Alan-Irvine.html#ixzz3H8GQJas3
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on October 25, 2014, 07:45:23 AM
Wright wasn't bad was he? If Saido gets to be as good a finisher he'll be quite a player.

Good to see him making progress this season, last year I did wonder if he had what it takes, but it is looking very much like he does.

Just hope we can hang into him for a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on October 25, 2014, 08:25:34 AM
Idiotic comment on the Birmingham mail page. I've left a comment. I get so angry at stupid short term thinking.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-baggies-need-7993383?

What a prat.

What is the point of this non-story? Its not even if its from the ususal Albion journalist. Its purely been designed to stir up emotion.

This is the type of crap you would expect from the Daily Star, but given its a local paper it is a terribly bad piece of "journalism".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on October 25, 2014, 08:51:50 AM
Wright wasn't bad was he? If Saido gets to be as good a finisher he'll be quite a player.

Good to see him making progress this season, last year I did wonder if he had what it takes, but it is looking very much like he does.

Just hope we can hang into him for a couple of seasons.


I've never wondered if he had what it takes ability wise, the kid is a born goalscorer, however, after the Morrison incident and various rumours about his attitude I did doubt whether he would ever be what his talent dictates he should be. Thankfully (it looks as though the kid is taking on board what he has obviously had drummed into him, Irvine has even been making positive noises about his attitude.

Berahino has that knack that you can't be taught, he gets in the right places by instinct, he was born to score goals.

I don't think he's ready to be leading England in a World Cup finals or a European Championship finals yet but England have about the easiest present qualifying group they'll ever get. Maybe now is the time to introduce the kid to international football. He's a far better centre forward than Welbeck will ever be and I doubt we'll keep him for long as long as he keeps his feet on the ground and keeps doing the right things. It'd be great to see an Albion outfield player playing for England again, the last one was Steve Hunt back in 1984. If this happens maybe I'll even start dreaming that maybe we might have a 30,000 plus home gate again and who knows maybe, just maybe pick up a cup again. Hmmm, perhaps I'm being silly now?  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on October 25, 2014, 09:45:49 AM

I think he is the most talented attacking player we have had since Koumas(Lukaku not included as he was a Chelsea player), I had real fears he would squander his abilities in the same way. Really pleased to see he has listened to someone and changed the direction he was heading in last year.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 25, 2014, 10:04:44 AM
I think he is the most talented attacking player we have had since Koumas(Lukaku not included as he was a Chelsea player), I had real fears he would squander his abilities in the same way. Really pleased to see he has listened to someone and changed the direction he was heading in last year.

Hilarious comparison!

Not in the same league
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on October 25, 2014, 10:08:52 AM
Hilarious comparison!

Not in the same league


Untrue. Sheer technical ability-wise Koumas was very, very high class. Ask Steven Gerrard.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: richjonawba on October 25, 2014, 10:15:01 AM
Hilarious comparison!

Not in the same league

I hope by that you mean Berahino isnt in the same league as Koumas, rather than the other way round.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 25, 2014, 10:18:23 AM
The headline for that video clip doesn't really help. He makes a good point when it comes to him clearly needing to continue to improve but I think its fairly obvious its been made to be controversial and to get people talking and they have certainly succeeded.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on October 25, 2014, 11:18:06 AM
I think he is the most talented attacking player we have had since Koumas(Lukaku not included as he was a Chelsea player), I had real fears he would squander his abilities in the same way. Really pleased to see he has listened to someone and changed the direction he was heading in last year.

Sessegnon for starters is way more talented than Koumas was. There's numerous others who fit that criteria from recent years too, namely Odemwingie and Gera.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on October 25, 2014, 11:20:09 AM
Sessegnon for starters is way more talented than Koumas was. There's numerous others who fit that criteria from recent years too, namely Odemwingie and Gera.


No.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on October 25, 2014, 11:26:42 AM

No.

What a well worded rebuttal.

Sessegnon blows Koumas out the water in natural ability. Premier league sides fear Sessegnon in a way they rarely, if ever did for Koumas. It's hilarious how overrated Koumas is by our fans, he had a few good years in the championship and did precious little bar one goal against Man United in his premier league career - he was particularly awful for Wigan. You'd expect to have at least seen a few glimpses of this supposed amazing talent like we did in the championship. Instead it turns out that at the highest level teams just weren't scared of Koumas and his natural ability didn't see him have even fleeting moments of glory like it does with Sessegnon.

Odemwingie and Gera were also both as/more skillful, but more effective players. Certainly with Odemwingie i'm wondering how anyone could possibly think Koumas was more talented? In pretty much every conceivable way Odemwingie beats him.

There's tonnes of players with terrible attitudes that still have decent top level careers based on raw natural ability, that Koumas never had a top level careers is telling he wasn't this world player of the year in waiting some of our fans think him to be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 25, 2014, 11:53:24 AM

Untrue. Sheer technical ability-wise Koumas was very, very high class. Ask Steven Gerrard.

A player that only really performed in the Championship!

Odemwingie, Gera, Kevin Phillips, Sess all proven Premiership performers of a far higher standard than the massively over rated Koumas, never understood the Koumas love in, a failed pro, defensively incompetent, selfish and petulant.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 25, 2014, 11:56:35 AM

Untrue. Sheer technical ability-wise Koumas was very, very high class. Ask Steven Gerrard.

Steven Gerrard always said he couldnt get near Koumas....

But Koumas never lived up to his ability which was a shame as he could have gone to the very top

Berahino has the potential same as Koumas did, its up to Saido to realise his
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie Boy on October 25, 2014, 12:04:26 PM
Steven Gerrard always said he couldnt get near Koumas....

But Koumas never lived up to his ability which was a shame as he could have gone to the very top

Berahino has the potential same as Koumas did, its up to Saido to realise his

Very true, if I'm correct he also said that Koumas was not very physical, a kick and he would go missing  for the rest of the match.

Berahino is a tad more physical and I think a little more of a rounded player. Hopefully he can tap into this and become an Albion legend!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on October 25, 2014, 12:04:41 PM
Steven Gerrard always said he couldnt get near Koumas....

But Koumas never lived up to his ability which was a shame as he could have gone to the very top


Berahino has the potential same as Koumas did, its up to Saido to realise his


This is the point I'm making but some people seem ignorant to that. Koumas never reached the levels his talent deserved him to but in terms of natural ability he was truly top class. Had he had the application and dedication that matched his natural ability he'd have been an England regular and one of the best players in the world.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on October 25, 2014, 12:22:36 PM
He's Welsh ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Atomic on October 25, 2014, 12:33:09 PM
He's Welsh ;)


Well, sort of Welsh - Scouse. We'd have claimed him. ;D ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on October 25, 2014, 01:19:31 PM
You would expect better from a professional newspaper wouldn't you? Just a let down.

I wouldn't class the brum Mail as professional these days with some of the rubbish they've been running lately.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on October 25, 2014, 01:29:49 PM
A player that only really performed in the Championship!

Odemwingie, Gera, Kevin Phillips, Sess all proven Premiership performers of a far higher standard than the massively over rated Koumas, never understood the Koumas love in, a failed pro, defensively incompetent, selfish and petulant.

That's the point I was making he had the potential and talent to be the best but wasted it. I'm very glad Berahinio has got control of his ego and is applying himself in a way that Koumas never did.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on October 25, 2014, 01:40:55 PM
Sessegnon for starters is way more talented than Koumas was. There's numerous others who fit that criteria from recent years too, namely Odemwingie and Gera.
Completely agree. Some people on here go on like Koumas was the next Messi. He wasn't.

He was far too good for the Championship and on his day he was a very good Premiership player, but sadly that was it. Remember the quality was less even back then. You could argue Dorrans was/is better than Koumas too - he absolutely destroyed the championship under Di Matteo.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2014, 01:55:00 PM
Completely agree. Some people on here go on like Koumas was the next Messi. He wasn't.

He was far too good for the Championship and on his day he was a very good Premiership player, but sadly that was it. Remember the quality was less even back then. You could argue Dorrans was/is better than Koumas too - he absolutely destroyed the championship under Di Matteo.

Because this is the Berahino thread I won't get into how much better Koumas was than Dorrans. In fact the posts on this thread about Jason the only name mentioned who was better is Odemwingie. Who is/was also better than Berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 25, 2014, 02:29:17 PM
Totally agree Odewingie was a class player he had a side to his game I don't think Berahino will ever have.

That said I think Berahino will be a much more prolific striker

Different players though would have made a great partnership
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on October 25, 2014, 07:23:56 PM
Quiet for much of today, but fair play he has the confidence and front to take and convert the penalty. Especially as Puncheon was on the floor for a good couple of mins before the kick was taken.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2014, 08:37:13 PM
Agreed very good penalty, was quiet today and should have done better from the open goal from the edge of the box which was blazed over. Still, more promising signs from the lad. I just hope someone starts scoring for Liverpool soon.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie53 on October 25, 2014, 08:46:52 PM

Well, sort of Welsh - Scouse. We'd have claimed him. ;D ;)
He was a regular in the Wales team
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 25, 2014, 08:49:59 PM
Sessegnon for starters is way more talented than Koumas was. There's numerous others who fit that criteria from recent years too, namely Odemwingie and Gera.
agree , sess is the best we have had for ages..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on October 25, 2014, 09:06:53 PM
agree , sess is the best we have had for ages..
Agreed but Sess was taken out of the game too easy today by Jedinak IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 25, 2014, 10:02:34 PM
This may sound over critical but, he needs to vary his penalty kick, wide right of the keeper every time will leave him vulnerable to the best keepers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2014, 10:09:18 PM
This may sound over critical but, he needs to vary his penalty kick, wide right of the keeper every time will leave him vulnerable to the best keepers.

Not sure about that. If you get it far enough in the corner nobody is stopping it, you can even tell a keeper where you're going to put it and he won't get it if it's far enough in the corner. I recall a video of this a few years back. Don't remember who was in it mind.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 25, 2014, 10:11:40 PM
Not sure about that. If you get it far enough in the corner nobody is stopping it, you can even tell a keeper where you're going to put it and he won't get it if it's far enough in the corner. I recall a video of this a few years back. Don't remember who was in it mind.

It was very close to being saved today, Hennesey knew where it was going.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2014, 10:13:09 PM
It was very close to being saved today, Hennesey knew where it was going.

That's my point. He knew where it was going and still didn't get it, and he's got a good reach.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 25, 2014, 10:18:47 PM
That's my point. He knew where it was going and still didn't get it, and he's got a good reach.

Don't get me wrong, he is an excellent penalty taker, but a little variety would not go amiss.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 25, 2014, 10:22:36 PM
Don't get me wrong, he is an excellent penalty taker, but a little variety would not go amiss.
Many penalty takers don't actually change all that often, to the point a German keeper (Lindegard?) actually wrote them down on a piece of paper he kept in his sock during a World Cup (2006?). Even then that doesn't guarantee it to go in or wrong guess the keeper (see Gerrard as per our game at Anfield under Clarke)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggies37 on October 25, 2014, 10:38:07 PM
Many penalty takers don't actually change all that often, to the point a German keeper (Lindegard?) actually wrote them down on a piece of paper he kept in his sock during a World Cup (2006?). Even then that doesn't guarantee it to go in or wrong guess the keeper (see Gerrard as per our game at Anfield under Clarke)

That would be Jens Lehman i recall.

He famously ran out of names as the last penalty was taken but made out he actually knew playing mind games with the penalty taker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqjNFjSvHV4
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on October 25, 2014, 10:42:03 PM
Berahino went the opposite corner against Newcastle, and Newport last season anyway.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 25, 2014, 11:37:32 PM
That would be Jens Lehman i recall.

He famously ran out of names as the last penalty was taken but made out he actually knew playing mind games with the penalty taker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqjNFjSvHV4
Knew it began with and L!!

Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 25, 2014, 11:45:53 PM
Liverpool the latest to be linked

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2807925/Liverpool-eyeing-Saido-Berahino-West-Brom-won-t-sell-star-man-25m.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 25, 2014, 11:47:10 PM
Liverpool the latest to be linked

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2807925/Liverpool-eyeing-Saido-Berahino-West-Brom-won-t-sell-star-man-25m.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

The Liverpool link worries me tbh. Hopefully they go back in for Bony, or Mario gets his shooting boots on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on October 26, 2014, 06:36:08 AM
As long as he keeps scoring - he will continue to be linked with a big club move
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on October 26, 2014, 08:14:43 AM
The papers today are full of rumours that Liverpool will bid £25m for Berahino in January and will be in a bidding war with Spurs.

I'm realistic enough to accept that we are unlikely to hold onto him beyond this season, especially for that sort of money, but what would be the point of selling him in January?  Replacing him and settling in any new strikers takes time.

It is no use getting relegated with £25m in the bank, and I sure hope that we categorically refuse to do business to sell him in January, regardless of what then happens next summer.  Securing our Premier League status is far more important, and without his goals we are far less likely to survive.

Beyond that, I think we could spend £25m pretty well and really strengthen the squad, but we must make sure that we are not doing that from the Championship.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 26, 2014, 08:27:39 AM
We won't be selling him in January.

Whether we keep him beyond this season, less sure. Personally I genuinely think he would benefit from another two seasons with us - he's still developing and with us he will always get first team.

But then of course, I WOULD say that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on October 26, 2014, 09:13:41 AM
If he keeps doing what he is doing then he will leave thats just the way it is.

He should stay the rest of this season and next season. Then see were we are at then. Moving any sooner would be a bad move for him becasue his development would stop becasue he wouldnt be in a top 4 starting 11 every week.

He will be 23 in two summers time so i think that would be a perfect time for him to move and test himself with the best

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on October 26, 2014, 09:17:07 AM
If he keeps doing what he is doing then he will leave thats just the way it is.

He should stay the rest of this season and next season. Then see were we are at then. Moving any sooner would be a bad move for him becasue his development would stop becasue he wouldnt be in a top 4 starting 11 every week.

He will be 23 in two summers time so i think that would be a perfect time for him to move and test himself with the best
I think this is what he should do... but I think he'll go next summer and sit on the bench somewhere for  a while, shame really.  Maybe try for the sell and loan back for a season dodge?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on October 26, 2014, 09:22:51 AM
Berahino went the opposite corner against Newcastle, and Newport last season anyway.

And went top right against Liverpool. Easily the best penalty taker we've got.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on October 26, 2014, 09:31:41 AM
He's not necessarily going to sit on the bench for a long time if he joined Liverpool or Spurs. With teams that create a lot of chances, he could score a lot of goals.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on October 26, 2014, 09:37:13 AM
If a club came in with 25million in January then I would snap their hands off.

If we reject it and Saido goes on to have a poor rest of the season then there is no way he would fetch that money in the summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on October 26, 2014, 10:27:53 AM
If a club came in with 25million in January then I would snap their hands off.

If we reject it and Saido goes on to have a poor rest of the season then there is no way he would fetch that money in the summer.

But wouldn't selling him in January massively increase our chances of being relegated?  What benefit is an extra £5m or £10m of transfer revenue if we suffer the cost of relegation as a result?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on October 26, 2014, 10:35:17 AM
If a club came in with 25million in January then I would snap their hands off.

If we reject it and Saido goes on to have a poor rest of the season then there is no way he would fetch that money in the summer.

Mate we could have 100 million in the bank but who would we attract as good as berahino? Nobody! Take his goals out and were struggling really bad,if we sold him for £25 million as you say then what? Who we going get in as good as him?  We can have all the money in the world but were still not going to attract top players!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 26, 2014, 11:31:56 AM
Chris Lepkowski on Twitter two hours ago: "He'll sign a new deal at some point.  Contracted till 2015 so other clubs interest irrelevant in many ways."

Panic ye not.

In the JP article that came out last week he made comment to Saido's rep having a meeting booked in early November. I dare say a new contract will be done by Christmas, avoiding the January panic.

Also, he means 2017. the contract is till 2017, so two years after the end of this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on October 26, 2014, 11:36:51 AM
Are contracts worth the paper there written on these days? Clauses and stubborn stars almost make them worthless don't they.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 26, 2014, 11:58:28 AM
Can we keep the transfer rumours for the transfer forum please and keep this thread for Saido himself
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 26, 2014, 12:11:17 PM
We must keep him for this and next season
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: rajesh-wba on October 26, 2014, 12:35:09 PM
Saido Berahino is a good player with decent potential. But I have to say some of the fees being mentioned are OTT. For me this is an indictment of English football.
As young, English strikers are so rare they carry such a premium tag! Would a foreign team entertain purchasing Berahino for said figures mentioned? Not a chance.

He needs to continue performing the way he is and there are still areas of his game he can improve.

As for who could potentially replace him - in an ideal world I think Peace would love a scenario where players from Academy eventually replaced players who were moved on.
For that reason - it could be someone like Adil Nabi who replaces Berahino - as if we were to sell Berahino for £25m+ - teams would increase their prices. As we've seen with Tottenham and Liverpool - sometimes money in the bank isn't a great option.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 26, 2014, 12:40:05 PM
Berahino went the opposite corner against Newcastle, and Newport last season anyway.

I'm fairly sure he went keepers right in the Newcastle game, don't know about Newport
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 26, 2014, 12:47:25 PM
Extended thoughts on Saido's rise

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/much-ado-about-saido.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on October 26, 2014, 01:25:06 PM
I'm fairly sure he went keepers right in the Newcastle game, don't know about Newport

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFCjtwgKsEs
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 26, 2014, 01:31:08 PM
Are contracts worth the paper there written on these days? Clauses and stubborn stars almost make them worthless don't they.

Clauses are an issue, but i doubt there are any in his contract as they would have been mentioned by now. I'm sure any new contract would have clauses, but they will result in Albion getting £££ when/if Saido leaves.

The player getting stroppy is a risk, but all the talk over the past 6 months is how Saido has grown up and improved and isn't the kid he was before. So i think that's a limited risk also.

If he keeps up with the ways things are going he may go next summer, but only for £25mill+ and only when we are ready. I can't see the top 3 wanting him and i can't see anyone out the top 6 being able to afford him. So it's basically Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs.  We shall see.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 26, 2014, 01:31:26 PM
Extended thoughts on Saido's rise

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/much-ado-about-saido.html
Cheers for that good read.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 26, 2014, 01:32:31 PM
I thought it was a typical strikers performance yesterday.

Didn't do too much, nor did he offer much but when the opportunity arose and you needed someone to keep their calm he stepped up and did the business.

I like his attitude this season - it's refreshing. He also looks a lot leaner this season. I thought he looked a bit chubby towards the back end of last season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 26, 2014, 01:42:50 PM
Extended thoughts on Saido's rise

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/much-ado-about-saido.html

Good article mate, interesting and reasoned response. I did write a comment, but it asked me to ,log in with google and when i did that my comment was gone.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on October 26, 2014, 02:09:02 PM
Is there anyone who thinks if we are offered 25m next season he will be gone . It's a lot of money and if we have stopped up and can add to that its a nice wedge to further rebuild the side .he will go if he carrys on scoring I can state with certainty .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on October 26, 2014, 02:35:16 PM
At the moment both club and player are right for each other. As ever a lot depends on whether or not he signs a new contract and how he progresses during the remainder of the season. Assuming he carries on at his current level and assuming that Liverpool make Champions League and they rock up with a bid of £25m it would be tempting if he only has two years to run on his contract. However if he extends on balance the best decision for both player and club would be to wait.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on October 26, 2014, 03:22:33 PM
Any one who would be tempted to accept 25 million would be seriously short changed in my opinion. I believe to get jp to the negotiation table bids north of thirty million would be required, think about it we are a well run club wwhich dosnt need to sell player. I hope to see him in baggies top banging in the goals
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 26, 2014, 03:32:28 PM
Any one who would be tempted to accept 25 million would be seriously short changed in my opinion. I believe to get jp to the negotiation table bids north of thirty million would be required, think about it we are a well run club wwhich dosnt need to sell player. I hope to see him in baggies top banging in the goals

In an ideal world thats what would happen but if the sounds that come from the player and his representatives are that he will let his contract run down or he is unwilling to agree a new one you have to bite the bullet and start discussing fees with other clubs. When he steps up to the full England squad thats when other players will be passing messages on and sounding him out about how he feels about moving to x,y or z club etc.

At the moment realistic fee would be starting at £20m plus add ons
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 26, 2014, 03:33:53 PM
We are a well run club who has no need to sell that doesn't compete in Europe and are some way off being a side that realistically challenges for it.
Saido, if he continues to progress in the manner that he is (well played coaches  ;)) will leave our club in the future for someone bigger and,  if we continue with having shrewd chairman in place, we will get a bucket load of dosh for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 26, 2014, 06:46:49 PM
I thought JP was about to meet Berahino's agent either last week or next week?

Good thing is, he is on a longish contract so there is no need for any panic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Brummie Road on October 26, 2014, 08:57:47 PM
The one common theme in these kind of situations, and really whenever we have sold any of our higher profile players over the years, is just how strong Jeremy Peace and the Board are when it comes to negotiations.

As always with these stories, it's impossible to say how near the mark they actually are, and it's not hard to understand why the media are linking numerous strikers with Liverpool at this moment in time.

I could just imagine the prospective negotiations in the unlikely event that this story was true:

Liverpool: We want Saido and will pay you £10M

Jeremy Peace: the price is £25M plus add ons

Liverpool: No way! we'll pay you £12M and that's it

Jeremy Peace: the price is £25M plus add ons

Liverpool: Look we'll go to £15M take it or leave it

Jeremy Peace: the price is £25M plus add ons

Liverpool: You're being unreasonable, £18M and that's our final offer

Jeremy Peace: the price is £25M plus add ons

(Liverpool become increasingly desperate as none of their strikers can score and Mario's set off another firework in his bathroom)

Liverpool: Ok, make it £20M and let's bring this deal to a close, and that's it, no more negotiation

Jeremy Peace: the price is £25M with add ons

Liverpool: Ok, (exasperated Liverpool negotiator now mentally worn down) agreed.   
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 26, 2014, 09:12:22 PM
 ;D

I think that's quite an accurate summary. Especially with the way Liverpool have blown their money this summer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 26, 2014, 09:48:52 PM
Go do one and swivel Liverpool
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on October 26, 2014, 10:35:49 PM
Liverpool are used to blowing huge money on English players, we'd take them to the cleaners.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on October 26, 2014, 11:06:50 PM
Wonder if they'd try throw Jerome Sinclair in the deal :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 26, 2014, 11:07:37 PM
Not being funny but would you join Liverpool??

Their one and only world class player is no longer the player he was they have Sturridge who would play over Berahino aswell

Wouldn't be a good move, they had a good season last year but that was down to Suarez this year they have been found out for the poor side they are and their lack of consistency
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on October 26, 2014, 11:39:37 PM
Wonder if they'd try throw Jerome Sinclair in the deal :o

...and Yan Dhanda ;)

I would hope Jezza gives them a hard time (if they are after Berahino) after poaching our most promising youngsters previously.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 26, 2014, 11:44:24 PM
I thought JP was about to meet Berahino's agent either last week or next week?

Good thing is, he is on a longish contract so there is no need for any panic.

Nope. In his interview with the papers he stated it was some point in early November.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 26, 2014, 11:55:44 PM
Not being funny but would you join Liverpool??

Their one and only world class player is no longer the player he was they have Sturridge who would play over Berahino aswell

Wouldn't be a good move, they had a good season last year but that was down to Suarez this year they have been found out for the poor side they are and their lack of consistency

Massive club, any concrete interest and Berahino would be out of the door before it hit him. If they could agree a fee with Jezza of course.  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on October 27, 2014, 12:00:33 AM
Which is why his career will falter if he did move there. He would be backup for Sturridge if he goes there!!

I agree with what you are saying but it wouldn't be a good move for him in my honest
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Doobuy on October 27, 2014, 07:01:16 AM
This is all speculation. Spurs and Liverpool playing poorly and struggling for goals so they need something to write about.  As for the numbers, this is just made up by journos.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on October 27, 2014, 08:12:12 AM
i can't see him going to Liverpool they have Divock Origi who they loaned out to Lillie coming back next year
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on October 27, 2014, 08:47:03 AM
i can't see him going to Liverpool they have Divock Origi who they loaned out to Lillie coming back next year

He looked pants from what i saw of him in the week against Everton.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on October 27, 2014, 10:45:44 AM
If a club came in with 25million in January then I would snap their hands off.

If we reject it and Saido goes on to have a poor rest of the season then there is no way he would fetch that money in the summer.

you sound like a finance director. not a football fan.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dan7heman on October 27, 2014, 10:17:00 PM
I think we all know £25mill would be enough.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 27, 2014, 11:15:35 PM
I think we all know £25mill would be enough.

No we don't.

A direct replacement would be £12-15 minimum. Selling him to make a small profit would be very short sighted. Young, British, Scoring.... Worth more than money to us and I'd be very surprised at a sale this Jan.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2014, 12:51:09 AM
No we don't.

A direct replacement would be £12-15 minimum. Selling him to make a small profit would be very short sighted. Young, British, Scoring.... Worth more than money to us and I'd be very surprised at a sale this Jan.

We'd definitely sell at £25 million. The direct replacement is Ideye, that's the Albion for you.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on October 28, 2014, 02:30:23 AM
we would HAVE to sell at 25 mil because we could not possibly make him so unhappy - I'm all for fighting player power but stopping a move to Liverpool or Arsenal is going too far and is in no-ones best interest.

aside from all of that its the right thing to do anyway - sure he may kick on and score goals all his acreer but at least 30% chance he turns out to be a flash in the pan.

Does make the 10 we paid for Brown a look a bit toppytho doesnt it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: we8seals on October 28, 2014, 08:16:08 AM
No we don't.

A direct replacement would be £12-15 minimum. Selling him to make a small profit would be very short sighted. Young, British, Scoring.... Worth more than money to us and I'd be very surprised at a sale this Jan.

cant believe that anyone thinks we will actually have a choice in whether to sell or not
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on October 28, 2014, 09:20:36 AM
if he keeps this form up he'll be gone next summer. really hope he doesn't go in Jan.

if he gets 15-20 goals + couple of england caps, we should easily get £25m for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: valleybaggie on October 28, 2014, 09:38:55 AM
Don't know if he will want to go in the summer he may have his head screwed on and at least have another season where he can develop and the fans will give him time and not be waiting for results straight away. I also doubt very much he'll leave for anyone in January has he's currently scoring freely for us and as anyone knows it won't matter how much we get for him you can't buy anyone decent in the January sales
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on October 28, 2014, 10:37:59 AM
Definitely wouldn't sell him at all. Whatever the money, he's a goalscorer and you don't find many of those. If we haven't progressed as a club and are no where near Europe in the next couple of seasons then I won't begrudge him a move away if he has outgrown us. It would have to be a big offer though as we are in a strong position financially.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbatillidie on October 28, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
Lets be honest there's no way we would turn down £25 million.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on October 28, 2014, 11:33:58 AM
does anyone know DEFINITAVELY what minimum % of a transfer fee a player gets?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on October 28, 2014, 02:42:23 PM
It's easy to say we should not sell him no matter what the price but if a genuine big offer came in, it would be hard for a club of our size to turn down.

Going on the crazy prices paid for british players recently I would say £25million was about where that offer becomes tempting.

However, there isn't a club at the moment that I would say would be willing to splash that on him and that's why I think he will stay at least until the summer.

I would love him to stay, become and Albion legend and win a couple of trophies but sadly it don't work like that anymore and he'll be off as soon as a tempting offer comes his way, no matter how much he comes out and says different.

The risk of course of not selling is that he is a one season wonder or he gets injured and ends up like Ishmael Miller did.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on October 28, 2014, 03:15:09 PM
It's easy to say we should not sell him no matter what the price but if a genuine big offer came in, it would be hard for a club of our size to turn down.

Going on the crazy prices paid for british players recently I would say £25million was about where that offer becomes tempting.

However, there isn't a club at the moment that I would say would be willing to splash that on him and that's why I think he will stay at least until the summer.

I would love him to stay, become and Albion legend and win a couple of trophies but sadly it don't work like that anymore and he'll be off as soon as a tempting offer comes his way, no matter how much he comes out and says different.

The risk of course of not selling is that he is a one season wonder or he gets injured and ends up like Ishmael Miller did.

Exactly what I think but got called a Finance Director!  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 28, 2014, 05:10:24 PM
The risk of course of not selling is that he is a one season wonder or he gets injured and ends up like Ishmael Miller did.

Of course it's a risk, if he was 100% going to have a similar goalscoring record over the next 12 years like Defoe for a random example, then in the modern market that's worth £30mill all day long. We risk by selling him and they risk by buying him.

If you have a guy scoring 15+ Prem goals a season in your team you'd be hard pressed to go down. You'd like to go Mowbray in the defence. He's worth more here than mere money, but if he won't sign a contract (no reason to believe he won't) then we may have to sell to be prudent.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on October 28, 2014, 05:20:57 PM
Why would we accept £25 million from the Scousers when they were happy to pay £50 million for Andy Carroll?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on October 28, 2014, 06:26:40 PM
Why would we accept £25 million from the Scousers when they were happy to pay £50 million for Andy Carroll?


It was £35 mil for Carroll they sold Torres for £50 mil to Chelski.


Personally think £25 mil is about right.  We'll need a good percentage of that to bring in another equivalent striker who is perhaps more proven.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on October 28, 2014, 08:25:34 PM
Exactly what I think but got called a Finance Director!  ;D
sell sell sell sell sell!

 :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on October 28, 2014, 11:58:03 PM

It was £35 mil for Carroll they sold Torres for £50 mil to Chelski.


Personally think £25 mil is about right.  We'll need a good percentage of that to bring in another equivalent striker who is perhaps more proven.

Ah yes that's correct, thanks.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: edrob on October 31, 2014, 06:05:33 PM
He has to do it consistently over a long period to be worth the kind of money being talked about here
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 31, 2014, 07:36:10 PM
He has to do it consistently over a long period to be worth the kind of money being talked about here

That's just not true. Calum Chambers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wappingbaggie on November 03, 2014, 10:41:00 PM
and that bizarre panic buy of Andy Carroll
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 03, 2014, 10:45:40 PM
does anyone know DEFINITAVELY what minimum % of a transfer fee a player gets?

It's dependant on their contract, but common practice is 10%, unless they hand in a transfer request, in which case it's 0% (which is the whole point of the fuss behind transfer requests/plus it's a public deceleration.

As the contract he signed was a 1st proper one after being a youth, i doubt there's anything special in it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 04, 2014, 02:40:00 PM
Strong rumours around the stadium, Said could be off in Jan for £25m+, top PL teams like Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs all sniffing, and with Brown waiting in wings, they could well accept.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 04, 2014, 02:55:21 PM
Strong rumours around the stadium, Said could be off in Jan for £25m+, top PL teams like Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs all sniffing, and with Brown waiting in wings, they could well accept.

Round the stadium? Is there a game on we don't know of?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on November 04, 2014, 02:58:04 PM
Strong rumours around the stadium, Said could be off in Jan for £25m+, top PL teams like Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs all sniffing, and with Brown waiting in wings, they could well accept.

I think we'd be daft not to accept at that kind of figure. My worry is that I can't see us reinvesting it wisely enough. I've lost faith in our scouting department over the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 04, 2014, 02:58:07 PM
If he goes in Jan and we sell him in Jan then I will not be impressed, no need to sell and we deserve more than 18 months of first team action for 10 years of input on this lads career

But football sucks dont it!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2014, 03:01:13 PM
If he goes in Jan and we sell him in Jan then I will not be impressed, no need to sell and we deserve more than 18 months of first team action for 10 years of input on this lads career

But football sucks dont it!!

I imagine that's what the 25 million is for. Berahino owes us nothing mate.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2014, 03:02:49 PM
I think we'd be daft not to accept at that kind of figure. My worry is that I can't see us reinvesting it wisely enough. I've lost faith in our scouting department over the last couple of years.

They won't reinvest. Ideye will be the replacement. Albion don't do incoming business in January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbasoprano on November 04, 2014, 03:07:54 PM
They won't reinvest. Ideye will be the replacement. Albion don't do incoming business in January.

It's true and that's a frightening thought. We need to keep Berahino till the end of the season or I fear the worst.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 04, 2014, 03:08:16 PM
I imagine that's what the 25 million is for. Berahino owes us nothing mate.

Yeah I see what you are saying it would just be nice to get a few years out of a player that comes through and comes good for us

£25m+ = stupid money but hard to decline
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 04, 2014, 03:26:12 PM
If Ideye is still not involved/scoring I'd like to think they'd take a gamble somewhere on a proven striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 04, 2014, 03:34:54 PM
If Ideye is still not involved/scoring I'd like to think they'd take a gamble somewhere on a proven striker.

Ideye was a proven scorer until he came here though, as was Rosenberg so we would only go for the same type of player again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on November 04, 2014, 03:54:16 PM
Soldago and 18 million I'd be happy with or 18 million and origini from Liverpool.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on November 04, 2014, 05:26:44 PM
He's going nowhere for the next 4+1 years  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: addy on November 04, 2014, 05:50:20 PM
He's going nowhere for the next 4+1 years  ;)

Interesting so he has signed a new contract? Though I mean it does not guarantee he will stay that long, but should get some more wonga for him now if he does go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: RuncornBaggie on November 04, 2014, 06:40:55 PM
Suarez signed a new contract in January......sold in the summer.  He was going whether the biting incident happened or not.  In my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 04, 2014, 07:59:50 PM
They won't reinvest. Ideye will be the replacement. Albion don't do incoming business in January.
They aint daft , if they take anywhere near 20mil for him in Jan , they will have to get somebody in ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2014, 08:24:32 PM
They aint daft , if they take anywhere near 20mil for him in Jan , they will have to get somebody in ?

Why? They've spent ten million pounds on a guy in a similar mould who cannot get in the team because Berahino is doing well.

It's possible they will get someone on loan as backup to Ideye but... Remember Earnie!

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on November 04, 2014, 08:37:12 PM
Goodness there's a lot of interest in a dubious post about rumours around the stadium.

Sources please Silver?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2014, 08:41:26 PM
Goodness there's a lot of interest in a dubious post about rumours around the stadium.

Sources please Silver?

Even if it's not true these type clubs will now at the very least be monitoring him closely. There is a good chance he will repeat Bullays claim to fame later this month and then the interest will solidify.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on November 04, 2014, 08:47:02 PM
Even if it's not true these type clubs will now at the very least be monitoring him closely.

You think? Oh dear, I thought he was our little secret.

Now I am really worried.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 04, 2014, 09:43:10 PM
You think? Oh dear, I thought he was our little secret.

Now I am really worried.

Why do you need sources then?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dan7heman on November 04, 2014, 11:52:29 PM
If someone offers 25 then both I and JP should bite their arm off.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 05, 2014, 05:45:43 AM
Personally don't think Saido is anywhere near ready for a big move yet (and I was one who could see talent in him even from his Northampton loan years ago).Lots of work to be done off the ball wise and one or two other areas just yet , as with making it with us I believe his turn will come  for a big move but hopefully in years to come. I hope his respect for Irvine makes Saido think twice , I really wouldn't want to see him move like Sturridge or even Lukaku and sit on someones bench.
It will be very interesting how the next few weeks go now Saido is a marked man , already he has had a bit of treatement from Palace and Leicester.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on November 05, 2014, 08:48:00 AM
Why do you need sources then?
Simply because the post from Silver Throstle stated that there were "strong rumours around the stadium" yesterday as if it were somehow authoritative.

Now, had the poster said "I was talking to a bloke in the club shop and he agrees with Jacko and me that lots of clubs are bound to be sniffing around Saido..." then that would be different, pure speculation and conjecture, as you posted. But the poster didn't, the post suggested authority, rather than speculation.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 05, 2014, 09:58:08 AM
Is he really worth 25 million, in saying that we need him for the rest of the season if we want to remain in the premier league
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 05, 2014, 10:13:35 AM
Is he really worth 25 million, in saying that we need him for the rest of the season if we want to remain in the premier league

I wouldn't say he is but the market for British players is really inflated and any player is only worth wahat someone wants to pay.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on November 05, 2014, 11:26:01 AM


If Andy Caroll was worth £35 million a few years back, Sado is easy a £25mill+ player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 05, 2014, 06:00:01 PM
Now, had the poster said "I was talking to a bloke in the club shop and he agrees with Jacko and me that lots of clubs are bound to be sniffing around Saido..." then that would be different, pure speculation and conjecture, as you posted. But the poster didn't, the post suggested authority, rather than speculation.

Careful Chipper, that's far too much like common sense.

On a similar thread i'd like to speculate that I'm about to become engaged to a fun/nice supermodel. Now I've commented on it, it's bound to happen and should now be treated as fact.

The thing with the doom mongers on here is that they are constantly negative and stating dour things as fact. Time and time again it's shown up as being utter bull and no one says anything. When eventually something properly bad does go down they'll be here to say "told ya, JP is ruining us".... Say something for long enough and it'll be eventually true.

Saido will one day leave. There, it's settled. Lets now put all this hot air to rest shall we?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 05, 2014, 08:58:37 PM
Even if it's not true these type clubs will now at the very least be monitoring him closely. There is a good chance he will repeat Bullays claim to fame later this month and then the interest will solidify.
What??
buy a donkey and start tatting ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 06, 2014, 06:54:38 AM
If he keeps improving it's common sense the kid will move on.
It's obviously in the clubs interest to facilitate that improvement whilst hanging onto him as long as they can. I think to keep him grounded they need do more than cite Izzy Brown as an example of what happens when you play for the big boys.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on November 06, 2014, 08:50:11 AM

The thing with the doom mongers on here is that they are constantly negative and stating dour things as fact. Time and time again it's shown up as being utter bull and no one says anything.

What you mean like on the Graham Dorrans thread where somebody said he almost always passes the ball to the opposition and i posted some cold, hard facts that proved this simply wasn't true and it just got completely ignored?! I actually don't mind the doom mongers, i fall kind of in the middle i think but when people say things JUST to be negative it winds me up.

Back to Saido - set to be picked for the full England squad today, should add a few more million to his price for when he eventually leaves? Tie him down to a longer contract and we can laugh all the way to the bank when he probably leaves this summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 06, 2014, 10:28:15 AM
No way will the club sell in January, no chance whatsoever.  In my opinion. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on November 06, 2014, 12:37:15 PM
Been called up to the England squad! Great news for him and albion!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 06, 2014, 12:38:56 PM
Superb news, pleased for him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 06, 2014, 12:42:13 PM
Its great for him to get the recognition for his form, quite frankly if you are the highest scoring English player in the league at the time you deserve the opportunity. With any luck he will get some game time but avoid injury.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: thelawyer on November 06, 2014, 12:44:53 PM
If you had told me at the start of the millennium that a player brought through our academy and first team regular would be in the England team I would have ordered whatever you were drinking.

A proud day whatever your thoughts about international football these days.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 06, 2014, 12:46:53 PM
Well done Sadio fully derserved, a great day for this football club a double celebration too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on November 06, 2014, 12:47:15 PM
Very pleased that Saido has made the England squad.  Hopefully he'll get some game time to show what he can do.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 06, 2014, 12:47:33 PM
Pleased for the lad.

Great day to be a baggie with the Bomber statue being unveiled and now news of Saido getting into the squad.

Might put my bet on now for him to score the winner aganist Scotland.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on November 06, 2014, 12:48:47 PM
I am on record as saying I didn't think he had what it takes.

More than happy to be wrong!

Well done Saido lad, congratulations.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 06, 2014, 12:50:47 PM
That's £10k added to his weekly wage, £5mill added to his eventual sale and a really huge well done to the Accademy staff.

A big day for Albion, one of our own in the England team. The days of the early-mid nineties are long gone aren't they!?!  :o 8) :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 06, 2014, 12:53:28 PM
He'll be off now in January.

And for those who think Peace will wait, I have two words... Robert Earnshaw.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 06, 2014, 12:54:04 PM
Fantastic for the lad, and credit to the academy. I bet Izzy Brown is gutted  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Astle1968 on November 06, 2014, 12:56:29 PM
Hope he gets some decent game time in at least 1 of the games. However more important for him will be training and being around players like Rooney for a week an hopefully feeling like he belongs at that level.

Also as cynical as it sounds a goal against Slovenia and good performance against Scotland would stick another £5m on his value straight away.

It's becoming inevitable he will leave (I can't see him going in January unless we get really stupid money though) so lets enjoy him while we can. Great news for us as a club, and this will also hopefully help us keep hold of the current crop coming through. I know Berahino is a year or 2 older but  he is now odds on to be playing for England at the Euro's next summer whilst Brown, Dhanda and Sinclair will probably have 5 first team appearances between them for their new clubs.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 06, 2014, 12:58:05 PM
He'll be off now in January.

And for those who think Peace will wait, I have two words... Robert Earnshaw.

Peace learns from his mistakes, not a chance in hell he will go in January, I'd put everything I've got on it.

Well done Saido, richly deserved.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on November 06, 2014, 01:01:38 PM
Fantastic for the lad, and credit to the academy. I bet Izzy Brown is gutted  ;D

Had we not suffered injuries and dallied around in the transfer market last summer then I doubt Berahino would have got his chance. Fortunately he did and took it with both hands. If Brown was still with us he wouldn't have got much game time and would have been shipped out on loan by now IMO. We still seem reluctant to blood our youngsters.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Astle1968 on November 06, 2014, 01:12:35 PM
Had we not suffered injuries and dallied around in the transfer market last summer then I doubt Berahino would have got his chance. Fortunately he did and took it with both hands. If Brown was still with us he wouldn't have got much game time and would have been shipped out on loan by now IMO. We still seem reluctant to blood our youngsters.

Don't really buy this argument. Brown was the second youngest player to ever play in the PL which doesn't suggest we are not willing to blood youngsters. Yes he could of potentially played a couple more games towards the back end of that season but he was involved in the first team squad and he was barely 16 years old.

Can anyone name a player over the past 10 years that came through the youth set up and didn't get a chance and has since gone on to prove that they were good enough?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Bob on November 06, 2014, 01:13:14 PM
Peace learns from his mistakes, not a chance in hell he will go in January, I'd put everything I've got on it.

Well done Saido, richly deserved.

Selling Earnshaw wasn't a mistake.

Not replacing him was.

If Berahino keeps on doing well until January and someone offers stupid money then he'll be off. I sincerely hope he stays though
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on November 06, 2014, 01:38:24 PM
Don't really buy this argument. Brown was the second youngest player to ever play in the PL which doesn't suggest we are not willing to blood youngsters. Yes he could of potentially played a couple more games towards the back end of that season but he was involved in the first team squad and he was barely 16 years old.

Can anyone name a player over the past 10 years that came through the youth set up and didn't get a chance and has since gone on to prove that they were good enough?

Again it was injuries that thrust Brown into the first team squad back at that time. He appeared on the bench on many occasions but only got something like 20 mins of playing time. I agree that we haven't really had anyone of note come through the ranks. Is this really down to the fact that the players are not deemed good enough or not had their chance? It would be interesting to see where Berahino would have been now had we signed a couple of decent strikers early last summer?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on November 06, 2014, 01:44:47 PM
He'll be off now in January.

And for those who think Peace will wait, I have two words... Robert Earnshaw.

I bet you're a barrel of laughs on Christmas morning.

"It's all well and good being happy now, tomorrow will be different, no presents, two words...Boxing Day"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on November 06, 2014, 02:18:51 PM
Peace learns from his mistakes, not a chance in hell he will go in January, I'd put everything I've got on it.

Well done Saido, richly deserved.

Well, at least if he does go in January then we have got 2 months notice to line up a replacement.  Although finding a replacement with the same likelihood of scoring 15 PL goals is one hell of a challenge even if willing to spend £15m.

We really need to keep him till next summer if we are to minimise the relegation risk from losing him.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on November 06, 2014, 02:23:15 PM
Very well deserved and it's fantastic to have a player come through our academy and get an England call up. Hope to see him start against Scotland.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on November 06, 2014, 02:30:38 PM
Why are people saying he will leave ,...he has got this far because if his place in our team....cant see the appeal of sitting on the bench at Liverpool or Chelsea...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 06, 2014, 02:38:11 PM
Why are people saying he will leave ,...he has got this far because if his place in our team....cant see the appeal of sitting on the bench at Liverpool or Chelsea...

40-50k appeals a week perhaps?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 06, 2014, 02:56:52 PM
Hope he gets some decent game time in at least 1 of the games. However more important for him will be training and being around players like Rooney for a week an hopefully feeling like he belongs at that level.

Also as cynical as it sounds a goal against Slovenia and good performance against Scotland would stick another £5m on his value straight away.

It's becoming inevitable he will leave (I can't see him going in January unless we get really stupid money though) so lets enjoy him while we can. Great news for us as a club, and this will also hopefully help us keep hold of the current crop coming through. I know Berahino is a year or 2 older but  he is now odds on to be playing for England at the Euro's next summer whilst Brown, Dhanda and Sinclair will probably have 5 first team appearances between them for their new clubs.

Your probably right as Dhanda is only 15/16 and Sinclair is of similiar age.

Very rare you see 17/18 year old youth players playing regularly in any top level team (minus the odd player like Sterling).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on November 06, 2014, 03:36:30 PM
Congratulations to Saido and the club for the call up!  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 06, 2014, 03:38:08 PM
Selling Earnshaw wasn't a mistake.

Not replacing him was.

If Berahino keeps on doing well until January and someone offers stupid money then he'll be off. I sincerely hope he stays though

I honestly can not see it happening.  Jeremy isn't going to render a Head Coach, who he has taken a massive gamble appointing, without his best player during what is a very difficult run in .  We might get £25M for him but the cost of relegation will be far more.  Peace knows this.

If any club bids for him in January I'd imagine Peace will turn them down flat, but there might be some sort of arrangement or gentleman's agreement in place for that coming summer.

Realistically I see only one club being interested: Liverpool.  None of the top 4 will come in for him (yet) and Daniel Levy will not want to enter into transfer negotiations with Peace in January.  And would Liverpool even break the bank for him, I'm not so sure, Sturridge is quite a similar player to Berahino in terms of attributes and how they play the game.  There is also financial fair play to consider - will clubs be so ready to part with £25-30M in the January window..

I'm actually confident he'll be an Albion player for at least another 18 months but maybe I'm being over optimistic.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: else on November 06, 2014, 03:40:58 PM
A new contract this month then we sell him in the summer is what I can see happening.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on November 06, 2014, 03:52:52 PM
The gaffer admitted that 3 points in the PL is worth more than an entire cup run (including cup victory). This shows the complete emphasis by the club on Prem survival. Saido won't be going anywhere in January.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on November 06, 2014, 03:58:22 PM
The gaffer admitted that 3 points in the PL is worth more than an entire cup run (including cup victory). This shows the complete emphasis by the club on Prem survival. Saido won't be going anywhere in January.

It depends how much is head is turned by training with the England squad. He'll see the flash cars and the money being thrown around and I am sure he will have his head turned.

After all I wouldn't blame him.

If he doesn't go in January he will go in the summer.

The only positive of selling in January is that we might get a club (like Liverpool) who will pay that little bit more.

Whatever happens, when he goes we need to make sure we have a decent sell on clause or apperance/goal clause in there.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: maximus on November 06, 2014, 04:05:21 PM
Well if anything, It means i will now watch and be interested in watching England again.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Sessegod on November 06, 2014, 04:29:55 PM
well done to him and the club for bringing him through.

Does anyone think that Izzy Brown might be a tad envious and regretting going to Chelsea, he would have seen more prem action with us and his turn would probably have come next season or the one after, after regular appearances for us and being in the shop window.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 06, 2014, 04:49:56 PM
well done to him and the club for bringing him through.

Does anyone think that Izzy Brown might be a tad envious and regretting going to Chelsea, he would have seen more prem action with us and his turn would probably have come next season or the one after, after regular appearances for us and being in the shop window.

On 15k a week? I very much doubt it. Izzy had no affinty towards Albion, we were just a stepping stone, it's not like he was a local lad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on November 06, 2014, 04:52:55 PM
On 15k a week? I very much doubt it. Izzy had no affinty towards Albion, we were just a stepping stone, it's not like he was a local lad.

I think if Izzy had stayed, we may not have seen Berahino until next season, if at all.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 06, 2014, 04:54:14 PM
I think if Izzy had stayed, we may not have seen Berahino until next season, if at all.

Why?

They play in different positions
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on November 06, 2014, 04:58:14 PM
Why?

They play in different positions

Because at the moment we only see one or two youngsters make the squad and even then O'Neil is not picked every week.

I just think that if Izzy had stayed it may have pushed Berahino down the pecking order a little.

Not that I am complaining mind as it has worked out in the end.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 06, 2014, 05:00:25 PM
We were also heavily stocked in midfield when brown was about as well, similar to now, plenty of people that can play in the middle. Strikers not so much, especially ones that score
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 06, 2014, 05:01:55 PM
Well done Saido.
 :) :) :)
In the FULL ENGLAND squad, forget £25m for him, now worth £50m plus when you look at what Carroll was sold for!!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 06, 2014, 05:31:42 PM
Absolutely delighted for him but more delighted for the club and the academy.

A success for them as well as Berahino.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 06, 2014, 05:36:30 PM
Couldn't agree more, after all the doom and gloom over the summer, at last plenty to cheer and good news around the Albion, brilliant
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 06, 2014, 05:38:05 PM
Absolutely delighted for him but more delighted for the club and the academy.

A success for them as well as Berahino.

Agree. We've come on leaps and bounds since the Mkandawire, Chambers and Oliver days.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie96 on November 06, 2014, 06:10:01 PM
The front three for England could be Sinclair berahino with izzy brown behind. Ridiculous that all three should have broken through together for us . Could have been special for us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 06, 2014, 06:11:52 PM
Absolutely ecstatic for the lad, just proves that hard work and regular game time will get you everywhere.

Perhaps he will think of that when the big clubs come calling
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 06, 2014, 06:33:02 PM
One for the statto's
when did WBAFC last have a 21 yr old getting a full england cap ?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 06, 2014, 07:15:57 PM
We nearly very nearly messed this up. Playing him on the right wing. The lack of impact from Ideye and Vics injury have benefitted both Saido and ourselves. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: overseas baggie on November 06, 2014, 07:19:04 PM
Well done Saido.
 :) :) :)
In the FULL ENGLAND squad, forget £25m for him, now worth £50m plus when you look at what Carroll was sold for!!!!

Different positions I know, but if Luke Shaw went for £30m and Lallana for £25m...PL proven goal scorers always carry a premium...its got to be £30m-plus.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Brummie Road on November 06, 2014, 07:49:57 PM
This is great news and well done to Saido, very well deserved in my view.

Great as well for the Albion, and very nice to see two Albion players in the squad and hopefully both will get a bit of time on the pitch with the two matches coming up, particularly with the one being a friendly.

From a selfish perspective I'm well pleased as, to my great surprise, I won a couple of tickets for the Slovenia match on 15 Nov in a competition so am off to Wembley for that one with my son, and the possibility of one or both of the Albion players having a run out tops it all off very well.

But great news and will add a real interest in the two forthcoming matches for all Albion fans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on November 06, 2014, 08:19:38 PM
One for the statto's
when did WBAFC last have a 21 yr old getting a full england cap ?

When was the last time we had 2 players in an england squad? Could be 3 if lescott carrys on playing the way he does
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie_1 on November 06, 2014, 08:35:43 PM
Way too old but shall be getting his Name on back of the shirt.....only been waiting like 15 years to put an Albion player name on an England shirt....better late than never!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: iwastherein68 on November 06, 2014, 09:04:28 PM
One for the statto's
when did WBAFC last have a 21 yr old getting a full england cap ?
I'd say never, Bryan Robson was 23 when he made his England debut, and I think he was our youngest.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mig on November 06, 2014, 09:19:50 PM
Genuinely one of my proudest moments as an Albion fan. Delighted for Saido and also the club for the 10 or so years of development that have led to this. Attitude plays a hug part in making it to the top though, so Saido deserves all the praise he gets for this.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dan7heman on November 06, 2014, 11:00:03 PM
All the questions regarding the academy have now been answered. Either playing for us or a sale, this one player alone has paid for the investment. Let's hope for more.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 07, 2014, 08:44:05 AM
Well done Saido , a great achievement and shows where hard work and knuckling down with talent will get you.
Good to see him heap praise on his Mother saying at times she has had to get him back on track.
A nod must be given to Irvine for encouraging him this season and IMO Steve Clarke for coming in when Saido's career was at a bit of a cross road after being sent home from Brentford , i know Clarke pushed for that loan spell at Peterborough and watched a lot of the games after including him in Pre season with us.
Academy parents  being charmed by other clubs take note!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 07, 2014, 11:47:09 AM
No way will the club sell in January, no chance whatsoever.  In my opinion.


I agree. Sell Saido and in Jan we smell relegation
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 07, 2014, 12:21:55 PM
What club would suit him.Obviously when we do loose him what club would you like to see him go to.
Arsenal would be his ideal next step for me
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 07, 2014, 12:24:43 PM
What club would suit him.Obviously when we do loose him what club would you like to see him go to.
Arsenal would be his ideal next step for me

No, never sell to one of your rivals,  8)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 07, 2014, 12:31:08 PM
No, never sell to one of your rivals,  8)


ok Real Madrid then :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dangerman on November 07, 2014, 12:54:13 PM
When I look at it logically, Chelsea are not in the market for a stiker at the moment, Utd are decent up front, as are Man City and Arsenal have just bought Welbeck.

For me the only logical teams would be Liverpool (given that Balotelli hasn't really done much) and Spurs (who arn't that much better than us on current form at least).

For us to get the asking price we think we deserve (when compared to Andy Carol etc) then the club buying need to be pretty desperate. The only club I can say are close to desperate are Liverpool at the minute and they do have a history of overspending.

I still think JP will want to balance the books with Ideye so I won't be surprised to see Saido go in January (as I've said on another thread), but at the same time I do understand people's arugments about him learning from the past etc.

All the articles coming from the club at the minute seem to be about him putting his head down and making sure he stays focused. To me at least, it sounds as if some of the underlying issues from last year are perhaps not fully sorted and maybe if a decent offer comes in the club maybe tempted to sell.

Of course I am purely guessing and he may stay with us for years to come and in 30-40 years time he might have a statue outside next to bomber but from what i've read and how I have interpreted it, I will be very surprised if he is here this time next year.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on November 07, 2014, 01:38:32 PM

I still think JP will want to balance the books with Ideye so I won't be surprised to see Saido go in January (as I've said on another thread), but at the same time I do understand people's arugments about him learning from the past etc.


I believe this year, unlike other years (for example last year with the sale of Long), the need to 'balance the books' isn't as great for the simple reason we used the Sky bonus money to buy Ideye. I can't see us selling Saido this Januray tbh, it would take something truly astounding for us to do so as we don't need to sell (and no £25 million isn't astounding in today's market by any means).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 07, 2014, 04:13:20 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-saido-berahino-8070866

Talks about his ambitions of playing in Europe. Knew this statement was going to come out soon anyway. I think we can hang on to him until the summer anyway
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: DaveWBA on November 07, 2014, 04:37:47 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-saido-berahino-8070866

Talks about his ambitions of playing in Europe. Knew this statement was going to come out soon anyway. I think we can hang on to him until the summer anyway

Absolutely nothing wrong with that, if he gives us 20 goals this season he can disappear in the summer with our best wishes. If he proves himself he deserves every chance at the big-time. Sadly, he wont get that with us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 07, 2014, 04:40:33 PM
Absolutely nothing wrong with that, if he gives us 20 goals this season he can disappear in the summer with our best wishes. If he proves himself he deserves every chance at the big-time. Sadly, he wont get that with us.

Never said there was  :D

Hardly bad news as the Mail are posting it as on Facebook to attract readers.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 07, 2014, 04:54:52 PM
It's a bit of a non story really. Obviously if he wants Champions League football he is not going to get it here so a move would be required!!

For me he still needs to do it for at least 2 seasons with us before stepping up to the next level!! If he goes to early he could stagnate at a top club.

If he goes too Spurs or Liverpool he will not get Champions League football though for me he needs to wait it out for a club like Arsenal who will be in the Champions League
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 07, 2014, 05:13:40 PM
Feet on the floor young man :)  , as pleased as i am for him you can't ignore the lack of English striker's around.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on November 07, 2014, 05:16:33 PM
Saido is nowhere near ready YET for a top 4 team & play champion league football, top 4 clubs dont have the time to bring players on thats why they go for the finished player.
He needs to play week in week out to become more consistent if he moves now to a top 4 club it will slow his development down through lack of playing time.
If he stays here & keeps banging them in he will keep his place in the England team then maybe in 2 years time then top 4 clubs in England & all around Europe will come after him.
Play the long game Saido you know it makes sense.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 07, 2014, 06:12:03 PM
Apparantly on SSN in a minute saying why he would need to leave WBA to fulfil his ambition. I understand he may leave but he has had 3 months of good form, is that enough to warrant this kind of thing ??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 07, 2014, 06:21:39 PM
Apparantly on SSN in a minute saying why he would need to leave WBA to fulfil his ambition. I understand he may leave but he has had 3 months of good form, is that enough to warrant this kind of thing ??

If 3 months good form is enough to warrant an England call up then that's also enough to warrant talks of his future ambition.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on November 07, 2014, 06:28:24 PM
Apparantly on SSN in a minute saying why he would need to leave WBA to fulfil his ambition. I understand he may leave but he has had 3 months of good form, is that enough to warrant this kind of thing ??

I believe he is a United Fan so could be a childhood dream to play for them. Don't know why you would dream of playing for a mid  table team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 07, 2014, 06:53:38 PM
What we don't see is the question asked of him, which was no doubt a very leading one. He'd be lying to say he had no intentions of leaving and i wouldn't expect that of him.

On contract till July 17 and ours till then unless we decide otherwise. Only Man U and Champions League teams  :-* will get him i honestly think and he needs 12-18 months of performing to get them to pay up. Even if he eventually left on a free 30 months from now. the 3 seasons of Prem football his goals would no doubt equal is easily worth the cost is lost income (which we'd only have to spend on replacing him)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 07, 2014, 07:11:52 PM
What we don't see is the question asked of him, which was no doubt a very leading one. He'd be lying to say he had no intentions of leaving and i wouldn't expect that of him.

On contract till July 17 and ours till then unless we decide otherwise. Only Man U and Champions League teams  :-* will get him i honestly think and he needs 12-18 months of performing to get them to pay up. Even if he eventually left on a free 30 months from now. the 3 seasons of Prem football his goals would no doubt equal is easily worth the cost is lost income (which we'd only have to spend on replacing him)

IF he signs a new contract, I'm sure it will contain clauses allowing him to leave for Champions League football.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 07, 2014, 07:15:18 PM
IF he signs a new contract, I'm sure it will contain clauses allowing him to leave for Champions League football.

Agreed, with a fee in the region of £25-£35 Mill and utterly no hard feelings from me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albion79 on November 07, 2014, 07:15:57 PM
Delighted for Saido on the international call up, as a fan its great, i started going in 86-87 season when we had just been relegated so i missed our great sides and then had 16 odd years of mainly rubbish, and like probably a number of our fans on here when we had players like Micky Evans, Paul Williams, Brett Angell as our strikers if you had said one day we would have the current best young striker in England playing for us, developed by our academy and also been called up for the national team it just shows how far we have come.

I will watch England games with a lot more interest, very proud times for the player, the club and us fans.

As for his comments on Sky, just seen them and i would imagine that 99% of all footballers asked would say they want to play for top clubs, in champions league, in world cups, etc. Only Saido knows if he really means that he wants to just keep working hard and doing well for West Brom and see what happens, or if he is really already looking elsewhere, his form this season suggests the first option!

I said last season it was down to him, by all accounts he got a bit billy big balls and at that stage you either continue down that path, normally not make the most of your talent and become known as a bit of a tool (ie - Collymore) or you snap out of it and get your feet back on the ground, Saido looks like he has chose the right option so far and fair play to him, he has a natural talent for scoring goals and finishing and that cant be taught, he has worked on that along with his all round game and he looks a much better player, still a lot of work to be done but he is young and i think if he has this season and maybe next with us he should be ready to step up, its his first season of playing week in week out, worst thing he could do would be go a be a squad player at a Liverpool or Spurs, when he moves to a club like that he should be in a position to go as the main man.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 07, 2014, 08:40:20 PM
I believe this year, unlike other years (for example last year with the sale of Long), the need to 'balance the books' isn't as great for the simple reason we used the Sky bonus money to buy Ideye. I can't see us selling Saido this Januray tbh, it would take something truly astounding for us to do so as we don't need to sell (and no £25 million isn't astounding in today's market by any means).
I think so and you can only sell him once. Peace must be fuming at selling long for lower than he was sold on for!! He will hold out for the absolute MAX he can in my humble. I would say £40 million if he scores for England at least in todays crazy market.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on November 07, 2014, 10:02:15 PM
If Berahino carrys on doing what he is doing then he will leave, thats just the way it is. I really think moving now would be a bad move for him. He needs to stay this season then next season. He will then be 23 and if he is still banging the goals in he has earned his move to a top club. Weve just got to get as much cash for him as possible
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on November 07, 2014, 10:15:58 PM
So sad we have to talk of him moving on really, sums the sorry state of affairs up in our game when a lad is on form :(
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 08, 2014, 12:35:30 AM
I must be the only person not delighted by the call up. I'm concerned purely with Albion. I don't want him injured. Look at the Sturridge situation at Liverpool. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 08, 2014, 07:23:12 AM
Bit of misquoting going on, what Berahino actually said was;

Berahino admits that while he's happy at West Brom, his ultimate ambition is to play Champions League football.

"I have a big vision," he said, "I want to play in the Champions League and for England in World Cups and European Championships."

Asked if that means he will have to leave West Brom, Berahino didn't duck the issue.

"If that's what it comes to, then yes," he said. "But I appreciate what West Brom have done for me and I could be here for some time."

"It's just an ambition. It doesn't mean I wouldn't sign a new contract."


No one can take offense at those comments surely, its what we all would do.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on November 08, 2014, 08:15:54 AM
"If that's what it comes to" says Saido, talking about the possibility of leaving Albion in order to achieve his ambitions.

Who knows, maybe it won't.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: paulosull on November 08, 2014, 08:29:34 AM
Bit of misquoting going on, what Berahino actually said was;

Berahino admits that while he's happy at West Brom, his ultimate ambition is to play Champions League football.

"I have a big vision," he said, "I want to play in the Champions League and for England in World Cups and European Championships."

Asked if that means he will have to leave West Brom, Berahino didn't duck the issue.

"If that's what it comes to, then yes," he said. "But I appreciate what West Brom have done for me and I could be here for some time."

"It's just an ambition. It doesn't mean I wouldn't sign a new contract."


No one can take offense at those comments surely, its what we all would do.
the way football is run sickens me, why can't a team like Albion get into the champions league to feed this kids ambition for fooook sake there are four places up for grabs.
Good luck to the lad with his call up but he should never be allowed by club to mention moving on to achieve his ambitions major faux par by media department at the hawthornes.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charlebaggie on November 08, 2014, 08:52:02 AM
Cheap  journalism just pick out bits from a quote and try to stir an Hornets nest, then wait for the response .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on November 08, 2014, 09:01:15 AM
Just a thought.....but Roofes a pretty decent striker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 08, 2014, 09:01:57 AM
I dont think he will go this season, he has made great inroads over the last couple of months but he still has a lot more to do I think before some of the bigger clubs come in for him. I hope that he wont pick up an injury either whilst been in the England squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on November 08, 2014, 09:38:20 AM
Just a thought.....but Roofes a pretty decent striker.

Not sure he's ready yet, or to be honest, that he will ever become a Premier league standard player; 6 games at Northampton, 9 at Cheltenham - 1 goal. He's just gone to 16th place Colchester in League 1 on loan and is 22 shortly into 2015.
Regardless, he is more of a winger than an out and out striker.

I think Adil Nabi has a better chance of 'breaking though'
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 08, 2014, 10:02:43 AM
You want players that are confident in their own ability but humble enough to know they still have some way to go as Saido seems to be. I would be extremely disappointed if we had a young player like him that doesn't have the ambition to push himself and eventually play Champions League football. When all is said and done for him to get to that level of football he would have to improve much further and our club would benefit from that and of course the future transfer fee.

I can see it being a good while yet before a Champions League club makes a move for him, I can see him signing a new deal here before Christmas and leave at the earliest next summer.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 08, 2014, 11:19:16 AM
You want players that are confident in their own ability but humble enough to know they still have some way to go as Saido seems to be. I would be extremely disappointed if we had a young player like him that doesn't have the ambition to push himself and eventually play Champions League football. When all is said and done for him to get to that level of football he would have to improve much further and our club would benefit from that and of course the future transfer fee.

I can see it being a good while yet before a Champions League club makes a move for him, I can see him signing a new deal here before Christmas and leave at the earliest next summer.

Regretfully its a fast moving industry.

If your good enough, age doesn't even come into it, and what ever level Saido has played at he has excelled, and there is no reason to suggest he couldn't excel at the veryt highest level. MIght well turn out to be the best striker England have had for many a year, at his age he needs to keep playing with the very best.

Unfortnately all the signs are he will be leaving in January.  :-[

Everyone can see the lad is extremely ambitious, and he wants to play for a club that's challenging for trophies, not a club that doesn't take cups seriously.  :-X
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 08, 2014, 11:30:43 AM
but con he scower on his dayboo  ??  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mulliganstired on November 08, 2014, 11:32:00 AM
Let's hope Jeremy's got his poker face on in Jan.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 08, 2014, 11:39:03 AM
When I look at it logically, Chelsea are not in the market for a stiker at the moment, Utd are decent up front, as are Man City and Arsenal have just bought Welbeck.

For me the only logical teams would be Liverpool (given that Balotelli hasn't really done much) and Spurs (who arn't that much better than us on current form at least).

For us to get the asking price we think we deserve (when compared to Andy Carol etc) then the club buying need to be pretty desperate. The only club I can say are close to desperate are Liverpool at the minute and they do have a history of overspending.

I still think JP will want to balance the books with Ideye so I won't be surprised to see Saido go in January (as I've said on another thread), but at the same time I do understand people's arugments about him learning from the past etc.

All the articles coming from the club at the minute seem to be about him putting his head down and making sure he stays focused. To me at least, it sounds as if some of the underlying issues from last year are perhaps not fully sorted and maybe if a decent offer comes in the club maybe tempted to sell.

Of course I am purely guessing and he may stay with us for years to come and in 30-40 years time he might have a statue outside next to bomber but from what i've read and how I have interpreted it, I will be very surprised if he is here this time next year.
Liverpool
Spurs
Everton maybe
Newcastle maybe
some italian clubs
some spanish clubs
there will be interest and we would take over 20mill imo
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 08, 2014, 11:48:46 AM
Let's hope Jeremy's got his poker face on in Jan.

I'm sure JP will get the best possible deal, and will probably be £30m plus a player (Borini?), let's just hope it's not the highest paid penalty taker Ballotelo  :o :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wimbledon baggie on November 08, 2014, 11:58:58 AM
Regretfully its a fast moving industry.

If your good enough, age doesn't even come into it, and what ever level Saido has played at he has excelled, and there is no reason to suggest he couldn't excel at the veryt highest level. MIght well turn out to be the best striker England have had for many a year, at his age he needs to keep playing with the very best.

Unfortnately all the signs are he will be leaving in January.  :-[

Everyone can see the lad is extremely ambitious, and he wants to play for a club that's challenging for trophies, not a club that doesn't take cups seriously.  :-X

Very true. Saido's emergence has been a welcome bonus. We need to do what Southampton have done and sell at a high price and replace with quality. With the likes of Liverpool and Man U struggling it really is an opportunity for the smaller 'mid table ' clubs to close the gap.

Would be great for the domestic game if Southampton managed a top 4 finish. Would give us added belief to kick on!

We could go 6th Sunday if results go our way !! Boing Boing
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 08, 2014, 12:15:38 PM
Liverpool
Spurs
Everton maybe
Newcastle maybe
some italian clubs
some spanish clubs

No chance Everton as they spent all their money on Rom and Newcastle are never going to be in for a £25+ mill striker.

Liverpool maybe, Spurs outside chance, but I think Saido is too rich for their blood and they have Kane anyway.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggie79 on November 08, 2014, 02:20:41 PM
Is it just me that thinks he is overated? It seems he is getting way ahead of himself here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on November 08, 2014, 02:27:40 PM
On what evidence are people believing he will be gone in January .There is no pressure to sell him just yet ,even more so when you see our run in towards the end of the season .absolutely barmy notion .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on November 08, 2014, 02:57:36 PM
Is it just me that thinks he is overated? It seems he is getting way ahead of himself here.

No its not just you, I feel exactly the same way & posted such a little while back.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Standaman on November 08, 2014, 03:18:33 PM
Is it just me that thinks he is overated? It seems he is getting way ahead of himself here.

Probably but his goal scoring record overshadows a lot of flaws elsewhere in his game and the tag "highest scoring Englishman" in the premier league is a bit like "Pride of the Midlands" sounds good but in truth you have to look at the level of competition with Sturridge injured and Rooney out of the Man U side for 3 games. However if he continues to improve and bang in goals the actuality will eventually catch up with the hype. Of course it could always go the other way the hype goes to his head and it all goes pear shaped.

For further updated thoughts
 
http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/much-ado-about-saido.html
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 08, 2014, 04:02:44 PM
Berahino's instagram account:

"Press conference went well today, its funny how they trying to stitch me up in the papers about leaving"
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on November 08, 2014, 05:38:52 PM
Is it just me that thinks he is overated? It seems he is getting way ahead of himself here.

feel the same 79. chance of not scoring in the next 5 or 6 matches would make the talk and transfer fee banded about look stupid, since when do we turn average players who have a decent 1/3rd of a season into superstars.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 08, 2014, 06:03:32 PM
I think the last game told me how good he can be.. Didn't score but ran the line well dragged defenders all over the shop.  The one thing I'm finding impressive is his hold up play he looks very strong on the ball

Long long way for the lad to go yet though needs to score on a regular basis for a couple of seasons to be classed as a serious prospect
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 08, 2014, 10:12:03 PM
No its not just you, I feel exactly the same way & posted such a little while back.
I'd agree too , backed him to come good for years but still feel there's loads of work and learning to be done. Lack of decent English forwards has bought all this early.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 08, 2014, 10:24:12 PM
I don't think he's overrated as he is what he is, a young lad learning his trade in the top division of the toughest league around. I think its more the usual case of the media over-hyping someone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 08, 2014, 10:36:44 PM
All the interviews I have heard this week sounds to me like billy big boots, no doubt agent driven. Just the way things are this day and age.25 mil snap any bodies hand off. Liverpool are desperate . God help us when he starts mingling with the stars, the rich next week

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Legend on November 08, 2014, 10:44:24 PM
I think he's been generally level headed in his interviews and I'm sure his feet will be kept firmly on the ground by those around him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on November 08, 2014, 10:52:47 PM
All the interviews I have heard this week sounds to me like billy big boots, no doubt agent driven. Just the way things are this day and age.25 mil snap any bodies hand off. Liverpool are desperate . God help us when he starts mingling with the stars, the rich next week

The edited quotes make it look that way, the full story is a different story and he comes across level-headed. We can't stop him from having ambition! If he wanted to sit at a team who has flirted mid to lower table then he'd get complacent. He HAS to show ambition. If we want to keep players like him, then we have to match that ambition
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kamarasboot on November 09, 2014, 09:13:20 AM
The reality is he will move to whoever offers what's Peace wants and whoever offers him the most in wages. The young lad can say what he likes about ambition and professional goals, I'm sure at some level its true but unfortunately today it's a case of 'money talks'

My personal view is that he if he were to leave January or the summer he'd fall away as a player. The one thing that's helping more than anything at the moment is playing regularly, we are a side who will play him and afford him some mistakes etc. would he get that at a top top side, not too sure. I'm also not too sure he's the great striker everyone is making him out to be, more the fact he's young, English and scored a couple. I know it's wrong to compare players because it's not 'apples to apples' but I look at the top strikers out there at the moment and can't see that you'd have Saido over them.

Hope he stays and develops as a player for a couple of seasons but everyone knows how these things work. We're looking at the liverpools, Man Utd etc because of the champions league and titles - when in reality he'll end up at some one like West Ham, Everton et el because they over him 70k a week - just look at Lukaku.....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 09, 2014, 04:17:59 PM
I hesitate to ask this but here goes
Is Saido really that good?
5 goals from open play,
can be anonymous for long periods.

The media are building him up for a major fall IMO.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 09, 2014, 06:08:45 PM
I think today was a good indicator that he is much better upfront on his own rather than sharing the duties with a team mate. He has been very good all season, improving many assets of his game, whether its the timing of his runs, his upper body strength and the ability to hold up the ball and link play with his team-mates. He has without doubt excelled this season. Unfortunately, when we add an additional forward we literally negate all of his best assets, in particular when that striker is Anichebe whose primary purpose is too hold possession.

Saido is much more rounded striker in my opinion with far more attributes to his game. Anichebe is a good option to bring off the bench, that is where he'll cause the majority of his havoc. Saido, this season is the only player within our side that actually looks like scoring on a regular basis so I do get concerns when I see him either being shunted wide to accommodate others or having to drop deeper into unfamiliar territory just so we can accommodate a lump of a target man.

He has showed plenty of progress this year - progress where I now feel we should be building our midfield around him because the fact of the matter is he is the only person at this club who has the ability to get us the goals we need. For heavens sake, don't nullify him just to accommodate others who offer nowhere near enough.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Avonbaggie on November 09, 2014, 06:26:34 PM
He was poor today but probably didn't want to risk injury before the international break..
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 09, 2014, 06:45:43 PM
I hesitate to ask this but here goes
Is Saido really that good?
5 goals from open play,
can be anonymous for long periods.

The media are building him up for a major fall IMO.
Doesn't matter. Calum Chambers and Luke Shaw fees mean we will get big bucks for him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 09, 2014, 06:47:44 PM
I honestly thought he played well within himself with a view to linking up with the England team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 09, 2014, 06:50:44 PM
He was poor by the high standards he has set, but he wasn't in his best role and had no real chances.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: miggybaggy on November 09, 2014, 07:57:47 PM
I hesitate to ask this but here goes
Is Saido really that good?
5 goals from open play,
can be anonymous for long periods.

The media are building him up for a major fall IMO.

He's not exactly receiving great service though is he?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 09, 2014, 08:17:09 PM
He's not exactly receiving great service though is he?
Agreed but the hype is so intense, a goal for england will see bloody hysteria break out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 09, 2014, 08:43:56 PM
Agreed but the hype is so intense, a goal for england will see bloody hysteria break out.

Its the English way, build them up to rip the S***e out of them later
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 09, 2014, 09:32:15 PM
Is it just me that thinks he is overated? It seems he is getting way ahead of himself here.
Micheal Johnson, Neil Mellor ??
Id sell tomorrow , if we get anything over 20mil and hes good , we will have a sell on and a nice profit , if he dips off , we have made a profit and some other mugs worry about the hyperwage.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 09, 2014, 10:21:04 PM
Its the English way, build them up to rip the S***e out of them later
oi"..no one had a bad word for Bullay ????
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 09, 2014, 10:31:34 PM
oi"..no one had a bad word for Bullay ????

I can think of a few  :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 10, 2014, 08:24:07 AM
Hes getting no support from midfield whatsoever
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Wbahunty on November 10, 2014, 10:25:43 AM
To me, I cannot wait for the January Transfer window.

Sell him as soon as possible because I dont think he is all that he is being hyped up to be!

This post might come back to haunt me in 5-10 years but watching this season he has only one game and thats the through ball to run onto. He cannot beat a player, go past a player. Everytime a knock on or header was won he was no where near the play yesterday!

Take away the Manchester and Burnley goals the rest have been penalites and goal line tap ins! I know you have to be there to score them but he was our worst player on the pitch yesterday...offered absolutly nothing apart from a shot that stung Kruls hands and even then he nearly missed the chance as he didnt read the play!

Let him score for England get the big clubs intrsted and flog him for big bucks!

Thats the best we can hope for anyways, hes got Champions League ambitions you know!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 10, 2014, 01:03:02 PM
To me, I cannot wait for the January Transfer window.

Sell him as soon as possible because I dont think he is all that he is being hyped up to be!

This post might come back to haunt me in 5-10 years but watching this season he has only one game and thats the through ball to run onto. He cannot beat a player, go past a player. Everytime a knock on or header was won he was no where near the play yesterday!

Take away the Manchester and Burnley goals the rest have been penalites and goal line tap ins! I know you have to be there to score them but he was our worst player on the pitch yesterday...offered absolutly nothing apart from a shot that stung Kruls hands and even then he nearly missed the chance as he didnt read the play!

Let him score for England get the big clubs intrsted and flog him for big bucks!

Thats the best we can hope for anyways, hes got Champions League ambitions you know!

well done for saying what I have been thinking, the hype is amazingly over the top.
I think media are struggling for "positives" with scousers, mancs & spuds struggling
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: John Rest on November 10, 2014, 03:28:04 PM
Could have easily mistaken him for not playing yesterday.

Still, who doesn't have games like that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: koren on November 10, 2014, 05:19:48 PM
CHAIRMAN Jeremy Peace today assures Albion supporters that the club has no plans to sell its rising England star Saido Berahino.

The 21-year-old Academy graduate forward is the talk of the Premier League after becoming the top-scoring Englishman and winning a first call to Roy Hodgson’s senior squad.

It has triggered intense speculation about the striker’s future with Berahino facing a deluge of questions about his ambitions.

But Albion have nurtured Berahino since he first arrived at the club as an 11-year-old and the Chairman today stresses that he does not see the striker’s immediate future being played out anywhere else but at The Hawthorns.

He also confirms that talks have recently begun about Berahino, who is contracted for another three years at Albion, extending his current deal commitment.

The Chairman says: “I wish to assure our supporters that Saido Berahino will not be going anywhere in January or, I hope, next summer. It is not in our minds at all to trade a footballer the club has worked so diligently to develop.

“He is contracted to play for West Bromwich Albion until at least the summer of 2017 and we are happy to sit down with him and discuss extending that commitment on terms which recognise his continuing improvement as a footballer and his growing importance to our own plans.

“We have begun that process by opening preliminary talks with Saido’s representatives.

“We are delighted that this development has now taken him all the way to the senior England squad. This reflects proudly on our club and the efforts of all the staff who have played such a key role in Saido’s progress since he arrived here as an 11-year-old.

“However, it seems to have also generated unwarranted and excitable speculation about his future - which I wish to stress remains very firmly aligned to this football club.”

 http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/chairman-clarifies-berahino-stance-2075821.aspx#rKo3Hl5UZIuDtCI9.99 (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/chairman-clarifies-berahino-stance-2075821.aspx#rKo3Hl5UZIuDtCI9.99)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Albionic on November 10, 2014, 06:44:07 PM
The cynics will say this is JP talking up the price. I do think the numbers being bandied about are ridiculous, but we do need to keep Saido until an adfequate replacement is in situ. I'm sure JP will be only too aware of that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on November 10, 2014, 07:02:26 PM
Seeing as he is the only player who will get over 5 goals yes we kind of need to keep him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie53 on November 10, 2014, 07:35:57 PM
I think he is being over -hyped, but I also think it was unfair to single him out on Sunday, when he was feeding on scraps all game
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 10, 2014, 07:39:04 PM
I think he is being over -hyped, but I also think it was unfair to single him out on Sunday, when he was feeding on scraps all game


He had no support from his midfield whatsoever, his midfield were to busy passing to eachother in their own half.You watch him score for England with midfielders that pass to him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on November 10, 2014, 07:44:32 PM
They were talking on WM tonight about Berahino being interviewed stating the 'I score the goals', 'I do this and I do that' rather than thanking teammates etc for his International call up.  Can anyone confirm this?


I think the kid is talented but there are massive question marks about his attitude.  That 'billy big b******s' hasn't entirely gone away IMO.


I wouldn't take too much notice of what JP has said today.  I read his comments more along the lines of 'we dont have to sell' rather than 'we dont want to sell'. If Liverpool or anyone else offers £25mil he's gone.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on November 10, 2014, 08:31:09 PM

I think the kid is talented but there are massive question marks about his attitude.  That 'billy big b******s' hasn't entirely gone away IMO.


I think having abit of arrogance is good its just keeping it under controllable levels, I would imagine after last season hes learnt a lesson about how far he can take it.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 10, 2014, 08:32:00 PM
The cynics will say this is JP talking up the price. I do think the numbers being bandied about are ridiculous, but we do need to keep Saido until an adfequate replacement is in situ. I'm sure JP will be only too aware of that.
Think the timing of this and JP mentioning the effort we've gone to in nurturing him, maybe reminding people, including the FA, that it can be in the interests of English football, if young players stay at the club where they are developed instead of being nabbed by the big boys in their mid teens.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on November 10, 2014, 09:51:47 PM
They were talking on WM tonight about Berahino being interviewed stating the 'I score the goals', 'I do this and I do that' rather than thanking teammates etc for his International call up.  Can anyone confirm this?


I think the kid is talented but there are massive question marks about his attitude.  That 'billy big b******s' hasn't entirely gone away IMO.


I wouldn't take too much notice of what JP has said today.  I read his comments more along the lines of 'we dont have to sell' rather than 'we dont want to sell'. If Liverpool or anyone else offers £25mil he's gone.

Saido is a lovely down to earth kid. Spent an hour in my school recently to promote sport totally voluntarily. Did a q&a session with 10 and 11 year olds and he was fab.
He thought a lot of Anelka, as he was brilliant nurturing the kids apparently. Very pleasant likeable lad who definitely wasn't billy big time.

Too many newspaper articles stir things up. Read all the quotes in context e.g. The latest he wants to leave story. He actually said I am happy to stay this year, the next but at some point I want to play champions league so I may need to move. That is on newsnow as hints he is leaving in loads of papers headlines.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 11, 2014, 12:57:49 PM
Saido missed England training today according to Sky Sports.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbasoprano on November 11, 2014, 02:01:36 PM
Saido missed England training today according to Sky Sports.

Just an extra days rest because he (apparently) played on Sunday
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 11, 2014, 08:19:33 PM
hes ok , but id sell for sure
20mil and its adios , the problem is who you get in ?

Brown could do with a run of 6 games to get his shooting boots , if he starts to work we could loan one for the rest of the season and spend in summer .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 11, 2014, 10:41:53 PM
hes ok , but id sell for sure
20mil and its adios , the problem is who you get in ?

Brown could do with a run of 6 games to get his shooting boots , if he starts to work we could loan one for the rest of the season and spend in summer .

You have answered your own question!!  If you can get 20m for a player but can't find a replacement then surely you don't sell the player in the first place
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 12, 2014, 08:45:55 AM
My friends brother plays for the academy and hes echoed the above post about Saidos attitude.

Apparntly he talks to the young lads all the time and always has time to offer advice and help.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 14, 2014, 10:02:11 PM
You have answered your own question!!  If you can get 20m for a player but can't find a replacement then surely you don't sell the player in the first place
indeed, but its going to have to be answered.
i have no doubt he will be off, its easy for anyone on here to stay refuse 20-30 mill, but when its your own money??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 14, 2014, 10:02:53 PM
Sell him for £20 million and buy another two Ideye Browns  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Floydy on November 15, 2014, 08:29:37 AM
According to today's Sun, Inter and Juventus are also interested in Saido
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on November 15, 2014, 08:47:36 AM
Really interesting article here about saido http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/berahino-how-it-all-started-2084894.aspx
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 15, 2014, 11:44:25 AM
According to today's Sun, Inter and Juventus are also interested in Saido


That would be a much better move for him in his development and future England potential
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 15, 2014, 01:16:18 PM

That would be a much better move for him in his development and future England potential
Also no chance of him scoring against....that's if we don't draw them in the Champion League. ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: philwba1 on November 15, 2014, 04:04:45 PM
Good piece of reading, hope he comes back from England duty the same as he seems to have gone away with a level head after last seasons shenanigans and doesn't start getting above his station again or Mozza will have to step in again  :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on November 15, 2014, 04:28:14 PM
If Berahino goes, who is going to score the 10+ goals needed? Anichebe ??? Ideye ???
Teams that don't score enough goals, are going in only one direction.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 15, 2014, 05:22:36 PM
If Berahino goes, who is going to score the 10+ goals needed? Anichebe ??? Ideye ???
Teams that don't score enough goals, are going in only one direction.
Palace did fine and had one off if not THE lowest tally in the league last year. We had this conversation last year despite out scoring most of the teams around us.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on November 15, 2014, 06:14:57 PM
Palace did fine and had one off if not THE lowest tally in the league last year. We had this conversation last year despite out scoring most of the teams around us.

They also conceded quite a few less too. Less than Liverpool did in fact. We are shipping 2 per game at home.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on November 15, 2014, 06:20:16 PM
Sell him for £20 million and buy another two Ideye Browns  ;D

That would happen.

Frustrating when you think Tadic and Pelle cost Southampton a combined £20m.  Plus they were both fit enough to start the season. Our scouting and recruitment has been poor for some time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 15, 2014, 06:23:12 PM
They also conceded quite a few less too. Less than Liverpool did in fact. We are shipping 2 per game at home.
and so you proved my point, its more about not conceding than scoring a tonne of goals. Id also ask how many do we ship away from home?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bishop brennan on November 15, 2014, 08:41:44 PM
Don't know if its been previously post but this is the start of the Saido era

https://twitter.com/SteveHopcroft/status/530431009620516867/photo/1

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 15, 2014, 10:33:44 PM
Really interesting article here about saido http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/berahino-how-it-all-started-2084894.aspx
An excellent insight into the player and the academy. We should cherish this kid while we can.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 15, 2014, 11:05:42 PM
Really interesting article here about saido http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/berahino-how-it-all-started-2084894.aspx

'Saido is a role model to the other boys'.

Amazing that, considering so many of our fans don't think footballers are role models (see Ched Evans thread).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 15, 2014, 11:37:38 PM
Really interesting article here about saido http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/berahino-how-it-all-started-2084894.aspx
Interesting stuff. I've always been quite impressed by Mark Harrison's views when he's written about the academy in the match programme.
I agree with the bit about the way Saido strikes the ball so cleanly - and with either foot.

Think he should be first call for direct free kicks just outside the box. Our record of working the keeper from these is pretty abysmal and it's time to change it and one or two should practice hitting the target a bit more.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 15, 2014, 11:46:46 PM
'Saido is a role model to the other boys'.

Amazing that, considering so many of our fans don't think footballers are role models (see Ched Evans thread).
Outside the profession not so much, even in the profession its avbit obscure, as they say in the Q&A:

"You can share experiences with the boys that they can touch and relate to as well. If you are talking about Wayne Rooney or someone else, they are a little bit abstract to them because they have never met Wayne Rooney. With Saido, they can touch and feel him, he’s in their environment."

Saido is a role model in same way as their dad may be, rather than a disconnected celebrity.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggieboyfred on November 16, 2014, 11:03:28 AM
sad to say but i think if SB is going to fulfil his obvious potential as an Premiership and England star it ain't going to be with the" baggies", with the style of play and service levels that currently come from our midfield , Aguerro and Costa would struggle to get 20 goals a season, so to be honest with you if somebody does come in with the sort of money thats being talked up here we might as well take it because this is the only chance we will have of getting 20m+ for him,  because as his performances start to diminish next season which they will if the same coaching regime is in place his value will drop dramatically,at least if we do it now it means we can buy two more Ideye's to replace him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wardy65 on November 16, 2014, 06:30:45 PM
Really interesting article here about saido http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/berahino-how-it-all-started-2084894.aspx

Great read, really enlightening!
Hmm .. wonder who they're referring to when they say they recently bumped into an ex academy graduate, that joined one of the 'big clubs' & asked him if he regretted leaving the Baggies. He replied 'No, I've got my car outside.' Our coaches were left feeling ' we know who we'd rather have at the club out of you & Saido. My money's gotta be on a certain Izzy Brown.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: collins101 on November 16, 2014, 08:05:51 PM
More likely to be Jerome Sinclair
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on November 16, 2014, 10:59:41 PM

Frustrating when you think Tadic and Pelle cost Southampton a combined £20m.  Plus they were both fit enough to start the season. Our scouting and recruitment has been poor for some time.
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Ronald Koeman had first hand knowledge of both. Tadic easily the best midfielder in the Dutch league last couple of years. Pelle played for him at Feyenoord, although I don't think Pelle is that special.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 16, 2014, 11:15:29 PM
Frustrating when you think Tadic and Pelle cost Southampton a combined £20m.  Plus they were both fit enough to start the season. Our scouting and recruitment has been poor for some time.

Ronald Koeman had first hand knowledge of both. Tadic easily the best midfielder in the Dutch league last couple of years. Pelle played for him at Feyenoord, although I don't think Pelle is that special.

Plus Southampton play an attacking style. Brown may score goals in their team.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbastrollers on November 17, 2014, 08:11:55 AM
Great read, really enlightening!
Hmm .. wonder who they're referring to when they say they recently bumped into an ex academy graduate, that joined one of the 'big clubs' & asked him if he regretted leaving the Baggies. He replied 'No, I've got my car outside.' Our coaches were left feeling ' we know who we'd rather have at the club out of you & Saido. My money's gotta be on a certain Izzy Brown.

Watched him play for England u19 against Italy and I have to say he was outstanding!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2014, 06:41:23 PM
Starting tomorrow i am hearing?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on November 17, 2014, 06:43:45 PM
Starting tomorrow i am hearing?

Am i the only one who is scared that he will get injured against the jocks. Its their world cup final and their going to be in england's faces. I can see Saido getting kicked in the air!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2014, 06:45:56 PM
More likely to be Jerome Sinclair

His career really seems to have stalled. Hasn't been called up by England at youth level since 2012 despite being a regular and playing above his age group when he was younger. Still young, but certainly doesn't seem like he's regarded as one of this countries hot prospects anymore.

Interesting to see how Dhanda and Brown eventually go on to do too.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2014, 06:47:00 PM
Am i the only one who is scared that he will get injured against the jocks. Its their world cup final and their going to be in england's faces. I can see Saido getting kicked in the air!



we always have Anichebie  :D you are right though its written in the script for him to get crocked
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: petethebaggie on November 18, 2014, 11:11:42 AM
Is he starting, I heard that he is on the 'franksie show' last night but how does anyone know if the team hasn't been announced?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on November 18, 2014, 11:18:48 AM
Am i the only one who is scared that he will get injured against the jocks. Its their world cup final and their going to be in england's faces. I can see Saido getting kicked in the air!

He should be okay so long as he steers clear of Mozza.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on November 18, 2014, 10:28:20 PM
He should be okay so long as he steers clear of Mozza.
expected him to at least get a runout, but puts lambert on who doesn't get in his club side.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: AlbionBest on November 18, 2014, 10:30:01 PM
expected him to at least get a runout, but puts lambert on who doesn't get in his club side.

Very disappointing not to see him get some game time..............especially with donkey Lambert coming on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on November 18, 2014, 10:35:43 PM
Very disappointing not to see him get some game time..............especially with donkey Lambert coming on.
if lambert didn't play for Liverpool he wouldn't be anywhere near this England team and neither would smalling. just look at cleverly now hes not playing for man u. sorry roy but your picking players because who they play for and not on merit
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 18, 2014, 10:38:03 PM
He will be very disappointed not to have made his England tonight but it could be a good thing, should certainly keep his feet on the ground showing him he still has a way to go before he's made it to the big time. May also give him some motivation to prove Roy wrong with his performances on the pitch for us in the coming months.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashcroft19 on November 18, 2014, 10:43:08 PM
Quick, invent an Irish Grandmother, it's not to late to represent the Republic of Island :
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 18, 2014, 10:54:32 PM
I'm sure Jezzas' pleased his ex-employee didn't risk our top asset on a pointless friendly. ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 18, 2014, 11:11:02 PM
Cue a spitting of the dummy and a change of international allegiance to Burundi.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeb-Dog on November 18, 2014, 11:49:06 PM
Interesting to see how the next few months go for Saido now. Was pretty anonymous in the Newcastle game. Must keep that early form going and not slip like last season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on November 19, 2014, 05:07:40 AM
Might as well have played in the England under 21 game. What must he have thought when Lambert was sent on.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2014, 08:08:48 AM
Sturridge crocked again. Will this up the ante
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 19, 2014, 08:58:50 AM
I understand the experience he would have got training with the first team for a week, but surely its pointless calling him up if hes not going to get any game time.

Stinks of Hodgson falling to media pressure to call him up. Surely would have made more sense to bring Saido on when Lambert came on?

Still dont understand how Lambert is getting anywhere near the England team as he isnt even getting game time at Liverpool.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on November 19, 2014, 09:13:08 AM
What on earth did Roy learn from bringing Lambert on for 5 mins? What a load of nonsense.
Let's face it, Lambert is never going to get a run in the Liverpool side so his England career is as good as over.
If Saido had come on for that 5 mins and not even touched the ball it would have had a million times more impact on his confidence, pride, hunger and ambition whereas now he must just feel incredibly deflated.
I know he'll get his chance and he's probably over the moon to have been in and around the squad, but it was still very poor man management from Hodgson.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 19, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
I was saying the same this morning to a guy at work, the chances are the call up and not being played has done more bad than good for Saidos confidence.

In an ideal world, hes enjoyed the small taster of international setup, and is now eager to prove to Hodgson hes worth some game time.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on November 25, 2014, 07:49:11 AM
Caught speeding down the m6 at 110mph whilst under the influence of alcohol apparently, If true when will this Kid learn??
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 25, 2014, 08:00:18 AM
Caught speeding down the m6 at 110mph whilst under the influence of alcohol apparently, If true when will this Kid learn??

For a God fearing person his behaviour is awful.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: popbaggie28 on November 25, 2014, 08:02:25 AM
Reports saying if found guilty could face a jail term  ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on November 25, 2014, 08:14:37 AM
I hope he does go to jail if this is true! Disgraceful behaviour who thinks he's above the law like many footballers do. He could of easily killed someone and himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 25, 2014, 08:30:36 AM
I hope he does go to jail if this is true! Disgraceful behaviour who thinks he's above the law like many footballers do. He could of easily killed someone and himself.

Someone needs to set a meeting with Saido and Lee Hughes. Topic could be 'regrets'.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 25, 2014, 08:36:11 AM
Shows the kid hasn't learnt much at all, earning mega bucks, if you're drunk get a taxi.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 25, 2014, 08:52:40 AM
Irvine will bail him out, its only fair it's reciprocal. :)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 25, 2014, 08:55:19 AM
Apparently he's on bail until early December.

Probably looking at a hefty driving ban along with a fine.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 25, 2014, 09:00:34 AM
What a bellrod!!!

Seriously what is going through this kids mind when he does stuff like that!!

I hope he gets a huge ban and a huge fine. If its jail time then so be it


Stoo-stoo-stoo-stoopid!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on November 25, 2014, 09:02:54 AM
So much fuss has been made of this kid etc etc etc . Anyone stupid enough to buy him would be great . I'll personally drive him to his next club .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 25, 2014, 09:05:34 AM
So much fuss has been made of this kid etc etc etc . Anyone stupid enough to buy him would be great . I'll personally drive him to his next club .

You'll have to, he wont be able to drive himself  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on November 25, 2014, 09:19:33 AM
What an utter idiot this kid is.  He is going to ruin what could be a top career by lurching from one f*** up to the next until he ends up dropping down the leagues but that's not important to footballers like him.  He'll be playing in League 2 with a million pound in his bank account taken from us and other clubs who think can 'sort his head out'.


Sadly for us this plonker has scuppered us getting a big chunk of cash for him this January/end of season with what could be a potential prison sentence hanging over him.



Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on November 25, 2014, 09:28:07 AM
Irvine virtually saying he was undroppable probably didn't help. Too big for his boots and too easily influenced.
What a waste.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 25, 2014, 09:33:09 AM
Take him out of the limelight against Arsenal. Time for Brown to have a go.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: kris_boing on November 25, 2014, 09:36:46 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/saido-berahino-facing-drink-drive-charge-8169133 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/saido-berahino-facing-drink-drive-charge-8169133)


Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Barrington on November 25, 2014, 09:40:26 AM
If I was earning thousands of pounds a week I would just pay someone to either drive my vehicle or hire a taxi/limo for occasions such as this. Driving at such a high speed as well as being intoxicated is utterly wreckless. Both offences are not acceptable, but to do both at the same time is pretty inexcusable. This lad really needs to wake up before he throws his talent away for good. He's not a lost cause but this needs to be the final wake up call. Enough.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on November 25, 2014, 09:42:53 AM
Take him out of the limelight against Arsenal. Time for Brown to have a go.

I think you are right, drop him

thing is the club would have known about this weeks ago and havent dropped him, might seem silly too now just because its in the public domain

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 25, 2014, 09:45:00 AM
I think you are right, drop him

thing is the club would have known about this weeks ago and havent dropped him, might seem silly too now just because its in the public domain

Maybe so, they'd have know after the United game.  Seems that this stuff just follows our club around. The kid is a bad egg, thought he had reigned it in after being smacked by Mozza, but the stupidity continues.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on November 25, 2014, 09:48:34 AM
He won't go to jail but he should get a two year driving ban and a massive fine. Silly silly boy. Maybe the FA got wind of this and that's why he didn't get a debut.

He's going to piss his career away if he isn't careful.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mr Cynical on November 25, 2014, 09:51:51 AM
This incident was around the time of the Man U game.  Since then he has scored 1 goal - a penalty.  I feel his performances have dropped off (could be we've gone even more defensive/long ball).  I am worried that he's lost his form, and there is no one else ready to step up and get the goals.

On top of that, its only fair to say that he must be a total idiot and that he hasn't really learned the lessons of last season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 25, 2014, 10:10:33 AM
Think he may be dropped for the Arsenal game, with Anichebe or Ideye starting.

I reckon he wasnt dropped when the club initially found out as they would have had to explain the reasoning behind it, however now the news has broke to the public, the club wouldnt need to defend the reason behind placing him on the bench.

Shame really as I thought he had really got his head down this season and was getting the rewards, seems I was wrong.

Stupid lad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 25, 2014, 10:26:52 AM
Please be careful with comments at this moment. It is SUSPICION and ALLEGEDLY. Until that changes we have to be careful what is posted.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 25, 2014, 10:35:47 AM
I find it a little odd that he hasn't been charged with anything yet. I would have thought you would get charged with drink driving immediately if you provide a positive sample of breath, I'm no expert but don't see why there would be any need to delay it.

I'll leave my condemnation of him until he actually gets found guilty of an offence.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Chipperfan on November 25, 2014, 10:36:18 AM
If he did as is alleged then he deserves to have the book thrown at him, and not because he is a mega bucks footballer, but because anyone who commits this offence deserves it.

Driving under the influence is deadly. There is enough evidence to show that not only the perpetrators suffer but also many innocent victims.

We have had one case at this club before. We don't need another.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 25, 2014, 10:40:51 AM
He won't go to jail but he should get a two year driving ban and a massive fine.

Anyone found guilty of being over the limit and driving at 110mph should be sent to prison for at least a few weeks in my opinion. Then stick them in a room full of people who have lost loved ones due to similar actions of others, I doubt they would ever consider doing it again after that. There is no excuse to be putting lives at risk getting behind the wheel of a car going that speed while over the drink drive limit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on November 25, 2014, 10:43:42 AM
I find it a little odd that he hasn't been charged with anything yet. I would have thought you would get charged with drink driving immediately if you provide a positive sample of breath, I'm no expert but don't see why there would be any need to delay it.

I'll leave my condemnation of him until he actually gets found guilty of an offence.



Same here dropping your best player at this point in the enquiry is beyond stupid if you ask me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Morany on November 25, 2014, 10:53:42 AM
Same here dropping your best player at this point in the enquiry is beyond stupid if you ask me.

Like someone else has said though, maybe we didn't drop him before as it wasn't in the press, questions would have been asked of AI. Now he can be dropped and taken out of the spotlight so it's more likely to happen.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeb-Dog on November 25, 2014, 10:53:59 AM
Same here dropping your best player at this point in the enquiry is beyond stupid if you ask me.

Best Player? He's done very little since the United game.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggy nerd on November 25, 2014, 10:59:54 AM
If this is found to be true... as a representative of WBA he tarnishes the whole club. Although it is not the fault of the club neutrals will look at this as a club issue.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on November 25, 2014, 11:00:57 AM
Best Player? He's done very little since the United game.

Who would you play instead.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 25, 2014, 11:13:22 AM
You do wonder what the hell he was up to north of Manchester, allegedly drunk at 4am on a Wednesday morning.

#GodIsGood
#ThisOneForYouMum
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 25, 2014, 11:21:45 AM
Who would you play instead.

The guy the club spent 10 million pound on to sit in the reserves.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BobTaylor on November 25, 2014, 11:53:41 AM
The guy the club spent 10 million pound on to sit in the reserves.

Same mate but would he ? The worry i have is he would go big vic up top on hes own.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: PsalmXXIII on November 25, 2014, 12:12:16 PM
As an optimist at least he won't be driving to another club on transfer deadline day...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: jsam on November 25, 2014, 12:23:39 PM
As BH says, it is odd that he hasn't been charged with anything. Unless he refused a breath test, he would have tested there and then and either been over the limit or not. So for now, I think it's wrong to prejudge or assume anything.

It's also wrong to prejudice any possible court case, so as Oldbury says, take care about your comments, guys.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on November 25, 2014, 12:27:24 PM
Just as ling as no one posts anything about pressure !!!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 25, 2014, 12:32:05 PM
As BH says, it is odd that he hasn't been charged with anything. Unless he refused a breath test, he would have tested there and then and either been over the limit or not. So for now, I think it's wrong to prejudge or assume anything.

It's also wrong to prejudice any possible court case, so as Oldbury says, take care about your comments, guys.

Dress it up any way you like, the fact that he's been bailed to appear means he probably called the club and they sent out a £400/hr solicitor to bring his carcase back home.
A mere mortal would be in the cells until sober.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wba_jd26 on November 25, 2014, 12:32:55 PM
He is stupid but I do find the situation strange, this happened over a month ago so why has he not yet been charged and it only just come out in the press.

Also the day after he was arrested, 23rd October he tweeted 'In a good place #feelingblessed #GodIsGood'
Personally I don't think i'd be in a good place the day after being arrested for drink driving.

If he's guilty I don't want him associated with our football club.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 25, 2014, 12:34:56 PM
If he turns out to have done this, what a grade A prat. Considering the war torn, disadvantaged background he's come from, you would have thought he'd be much more grateful and respectful of the opportunity he's been given.

But yeah, this does seem odd. Every single traffic cop show I've seen that deals with drink driving, they're charged as soon as they've sobered up.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on November 25, 2014, 01:03:13 PM
He is stupid but I do find the situation strange, this happened over a month ago so why has he not yet been charged and it only just come out in the press.

Also the day after he was arrested, 23rd October he tweeted 'In a good place #feelingblessed #GodIsGood'
Personally I don't think i'd be in a good place the day after being arrested for drink driving.

If he's guilty I don't want him associated with our football club.
Wouldn't go that far, where else will the goals come from?! I know what he did hasn't been clever but then the number of footballers that go out and do stupid things like this is larger than we'd like to think. If we were to banish players for committing this sort of act we'd be watching powerleague every week.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: charliemike on November 25, 2014, 01:12:00 PM
Allegedly 110 miles an hour while drunk . What if somebody had been killed . He's got the money to pay a driver . So if guilty I hope he gets the book thrown at him .
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: smethwickw on November 25, 2014, 01:12:38 PM
Same mate but would he ? The worry i have is he would go big vic up top on hes own.

Nailed on or even worse could be Samaras!  :o
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on November 25, 2014, 01:21:19 PM
He is stupid but I do find the situation strange, this happened over a month ago so why has he not yet been charged and it only just come out in the press.

Also the day after he was arrested, 23rd October he tweeted 'In a good place #feelingblessed #GodIsGood'
Personally I don't think i'd be in a good place the day after being arrested for drink driving.

If he's guilty I don't want him associated with our football club.

on the first point it's possible that agents/management have probably had some form of injunction out on it stopping it from hitting the press. he hasn't been charged yet because his court date is next month which is where he probably will be charged.

as for the tweet the following day who knows what goes through footballers heads these days
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 25, 2014, 01:23:43 PM
I'm an advocate of no drink being allowed while driving, there should be a 0% limit with a small allowance for having a wine gum or something  ::)

That being said, If he was "drunk" but a tiny smidge over the limit that is one thing, bad, but not horrific. But if actually drunk that's just dreadful.

Either way, call a taxi or a driver, you earn a load!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cornishbaggie on November 25, 2014, 01:38:29 PM
As an optimist at least he won't be driving to another club on transfer deadline day...

good point, well made  ;D

i was worried that Arse or Liverpool might come in for him in Jan as well. This news should scupper that...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Baggy nerd on November 25, 2014, 02:34:02 PM
Wouldn't go that far, where else will the goals come from?! I know what he did hasn't been clever but then the number of footballers that go out and do stupid things like this is larger than we'd like to think. If we were to banish players for committing this sort of act we'd be watching powerleague every week.

Where else the goals will come from is irrelevant. Any player doing what has been alleged must be punished.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on November 25, 2014, 03:00:00 PM
Don't know all the facts but could be that elected for a blood test, which takes time for blood results to come back. He would have been bailed to return after the blood results are received  and then he would be charged with an offence. Then he gets bailed to appear at court depending on the reading.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 25, 2014, 03:10:43 PM
Don't know all the facts but could be that elected for a blood test, which takes time for blood results to come back. He would have been bailed to return after the blood results are received  and then he would be charged with an offence. Then he gets bailed to appear at court depending on the reading.

Fair point. Blood tests are usually only offered when they're only just over the limit.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 25, 2014, 03:15:12 PM
How many on here have driven after drinking, I suspect I have, I also suspect more than 50% will have, probably closer to 80%. :-\
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 25, 2014, 03:25:36 PM
How many on here have driven after drinking, I suspect I have, I also suspect more than 50% will have, probably closer to 80%. :-\

If you counter in the fact that alcohol is still in the system for 24 hours, someone who has been out on the lash until 3-4am and then got up at 9-10am and driven somewhere is still 'under the influence'.

But then im guessing IF Saido is found guilty, its because hes been drinking and then driven home.

Two totally different ends of the spectrum.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 25, 2014, 03:33:49 PM
If you counter in the fact that alcohol is still in the system for 24 hours, someone who has been out on the lash until 3-4am and then got up at 9-10am and driven somewhere is still 'under the influence'.

But then im guessing IF Saido is found guilty, its because hes been drinking and then driven home.

Two totally different ends of the spectrum.

Well not really, if know you are driving the next day, lets not all get too 'Holier than Thou' on here.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on November 25, 2014, 03:36:15 PM
So much for being grateful and respectful. If he has to go to jail then so be it the kid clearly hasn't learned a lesson. Its a shame what money can do (if you let it)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggie38 on November 25, 2014, 03:40:08 PM
If you counter in the fact that alcohol is still in the system for 24 hours, someone who has been out on the lash until 3-4am and then got up at 9-10am and driven somewhere is still 'under the influence'.

But then im guessing IF Saido is found guilty, its because hes been drinking and then driven home.

Two totally different ends of the spectrum.

If you know you are going to be driving the next day you should either plan out for someone else to drive you or you dont drink knowing you are driving the following day. Its not rocket science.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gerry m on November 25, 2014, 03:58:53 PM
Allegedly 110 miles an hour while drunk . What if somebody had been killed . He's got the money to pay a driver . So if guilty I hope he gets the book thrown at him .

There can be no argument about that.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on November 25, 2014, 04:04:26 PM
He's an idiot for driving at 110mph, but at his age I would have probably done the same, although my Metro shook at 70!
If he had been drinking then that goes beyond youthful exuberance and becomes totally irresponsible and unacceptable.
I hope it turns out to be incorrect and that is the reason for the apparent delay, but if he is found guilty then he should face jail and we should get rid.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WBArgo on November 25, 2014, 04:09:06 PM
If he's guilty then he's no better than Lee Hughes; only luckier that he didn't crash, there really isn't much difference other than luck (if true).

Out of interest, if he is guilty, would it mean definite jail time, and if so when would he be jailed I.e. this season?

As big a talent that he is, I think we should sell at the end of the season regardless.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: mrmojorisin on November 25, 2014, 04:25:12 PM
First of all, all the reports talk of "suspicion" of drink driving and "allegedly" travelling at 100mph.  At this stage, he is innocent until proven guilty.  Reports also say he is to appear at a police custody suite where, I presume, they will decide whether to charge him.  Clearly he has not yet appeared in court.

If he has been speeding at between 101 and 110 mph on a motorway then the court can fine (based on earnings) and disqualify  for between 7 and 56 days or put 6 points on the licence.  If the speed was above 110 mph it is in the magistrates' discretion to increase those penalties.

If he was driving over the drink/drive limit then the punishment at the lowest end of the scale will be a hefty fine and a ban of between 12 and 16 months.  At the highest end of the scale the punishment will range from a high level community order to 26 weeks in prison plus a driving ban of between 29 and 36 months.

But, to repeat, at this stage nothing has been proven.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 25, 2014, 04:27:03 PM
First of all, all the reports talk of "suspicion" of drink driving and "allegedly" travelling at 100mph.  At this stage, he is innocent until proven guilty.  Reports also say he is to appear at a police custody suite where, I presume, they will decide whether to charge him.  Clearly he has not yet appeared in court.

If he has been speeding at between 101 and 110 mph on a motorway then the court can fine (based on earnings) and disqualify  for between 7 and 56 days or put 6 points on the licence.  If the speed was above 110 mph it is in the magistrates' discretion to increase those penalties.

If he was driving over the drink/drive limit then the punishment at the lowest end of the scale will be a hefty fine and a ban of between 12 and 16 months.  At the highest end of the scale the punishment will range from a high level community order to 26 weeks in prison plus a driving ban of between 29 and 36 months.

But, to repeat, at this stage nothing has been proven.

Nothing has been proven I agree, but the story hasn't come from nowhere.

As the old saying goes - no smoke without fire.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BoingFlyer on November 25, 2014, 04:44:08 PM


At worse he will he get a ban and a fine.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 25, 2014, 04:46:04 PM
Yeah he won't go to jail simply for drink driving and speeding. If he killed someone then definitely.

A driving ban and a fine will be all that he gets (if guilty).
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: sing on our own on November 25, 2014, 05:02:50 PM
I thought he had improved his attitude this season after a meeting with Irvine had put him on the straight and narrow.... Don't want to start a big discussion but wasn't Saido's form and new attitude about the only thing Irvine had earned credit for this season? I can understand him drinking I have to have several beers just to stomach 90 minutes of Irvine on a Saturday but I've the sense not to get behind a wheel.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 25, 2014, 05:28:23 PM
Nothing has been proven I agree, but the story hasn't come from nowhere.

As the old saying goes - no smoke without fire.

how do our transfer rumors work then? none seem to ever be right, or even in the same ball park as what is reported. It won't be the first time the Sun will have made up a story, either.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 25, 2014, 05:42:01 PM
how do our transfer rumors work then? none seem to ever be right, or even in the same ball park as what is reported. It won't be the first time the Sun will have made up a story, either.

There is a photo of Berahino pulled over at the roadside in his Evoque. I'd say that means something. I can see where you are coming from though trying to defend our player and airing on the side of caution.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 25, 2014, 06:09:26 PM
If guilty I would expect a driving ban and fine but Polish lorry driver just got 8 weeks , fine and ban . He was three times over the limit and driving the wrong way down the M6 in a HGV., though.
If guilty he is an idiot.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 25, 2014, 06:19:13 PM
There is a photo of Berahino pulled over at the roadside in his Evoque. I'd say that means something. I can see where you are coming from though trying to defend our player and airing on the side of caution.

That the picture in the Sun? Sure when I read it earlier the caption said something along the lines of Berahino wearing a hoodie in Birmingham so it wasn't from when he was pulled over.

Saying there is no smoke without fire is a little silly, its confirmed he was arrested and what for but he is a Premier League player just broken into the England squad so it wasn't going to stay quiet for long.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 25, 2014, 06:21:22 PM
Fair point. Blood tests are usually only offered when they're only just over the limit.

Unless he refused to take a breath test at the road side. Just to make it clear I'm certainly not saying that is what he has done.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 25, 2014, 06:23:16 PM
How many on here have driven after drinking, I suspect I have, I also suspect more than 50% will have, probably closer to 80%. :-\

I would imagine that many on here have driven after drinking but I guess the difference is those on here probably didn't go speeding down a motorway at 110mph whilst allegedly drunk.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dexy on November 25, 2014, 06:26:19 PM
I would imagine that many on here have driven after drinking but I guess the difference is those on here probably didn't go speeding down a motorway at 110mph whilst allegedly drunk.
Or earn enough to have ten taxi's take him home if he wanted. Brainless.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 25, 2014, 06:33:22 PM
I would imagine that many on here have driven after drinking but I guess the difference is those on here probably didn't go speeding down a motorway at 110mph whilst allegedly drunk.

Allegedly speeding at 110mph whilst allegedly drunk.  ;D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: BB74 on November 25, 2014, 06:34:33 PM
That the picture in the Sun? Sure when I read it earlier the caption said something along the lines of Berahino wearing a hoodie in Birmingham so it wasn't from when he was pulled over.

Saying there is no smoke without fire is a little silly, its confirmed he was arrested and what for but he is a Premier League player just broken into the England squad so it wasn't going to stay quiet for long.

Ah right ok, didn't clock that about the picture being in Birmingham. Apologies.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 25, 2014, 06:40:07 PM
Allegedly speeding at 110mph whilst allegedly drunk.  ;D

Yeah, I should have put that.  :D

It seems strange that he was pulled up and yet there was no mention of him being breathlysed. Wouldn't they have mentioned that on the Police statement which was issued?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 25, 2014, 06:47:48 PM
Yeah, I should have put that.  :D

It seems strange that he was pulled up and yet there was no mention of him being breathlysed. Wouldn't they have mentioned that on the Police statement which was issued?

As he is reporting back to the Police beginning of Dec, I suspect this is far from clear cut.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: botters on November 25, 2014, 07:54:12 PM
I would imagine that many on here have driven after drinking but I guess the difference is those on here probably didn't go speeding down a motorway at 110mph whilst allegedly drunk.

Exactly if he had brains he would be dangerous. I can't comprehend why someone who earns thousands of pounds a week can't book into a hotel if they have had a few drinks or hire a taxi. Perhaps like other he feels that he is above the law and can do what he wants. If he was over that limit and drove at over 100 miles an hour then he is completely brainless and if found guilty the club should fine him heavily. Changed his ways well we will see!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on November 25, 2014, 09:07:40 PM
With the lawyers he can afford I would imagine it's hardly unforeseeable that he could get away with it
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 25, 2014, 09:34:53 PM
I probably did something like it when I was his age. I just didn't get caught.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cuckfield1704 on November 25, 2014, 09:57:25 PM
Yeah, I should have put that.  :D

It seems strange that he was pulled up and yet there was no mention of him being breathlysed. Wouldn't they have mentioned that on the Police statement which was issued?
He will have been breathalysed, its standard practice after being pulled over in these circumstances. The breathalyser has indicated that he is over the limit hence the 'suspected drink driving' statement and then SB seems to have opted for a second test which involves a laboratory and hence the delay in charging him.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Stroller on November 25, 2014, 10:13:50 PM
According to the Guardian, the club didn't find out about this until Monday!
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/25/west-brom-saido-berahino-driving-arrest (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/25/west-brom-saido-berahino-driving-arrest)

Sounds like BS to me (Albion media dept playing things with a dead bat) but if it's true the club is far less efficient than they're letting on. Can't believe they'd let a multi-million pound asset, to whom they pay a fortune each week and are allegedly seeking to give a contract worth even more, go out on a bender without keeping tabs on him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: east-stand-nick on November 25, 2014, 11:24:54 PM
I probably did something like it when I was his age. I just didn't get caught.

Doesn't really excuse it though, does it? Especially considering he can easily afford to get someone to drive him to wherever he needed to be, or just stay in a hotel for the night.

For someone who has come from such a disadvantaged background, he seems to have such a poor attitude. You would have thought he'd appreciate the position he's in.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 25, 2014, 11:50:08 PM
Doesn't really excuse it though, does it? Especially considering he can easily afford to get someone to drive him to wherever he needed to be, or just stay in a hotel for the night.

For someone who has come from such a disadvantaged background, he seems to have such a poor attitude. You would have thought he'd appreciate the position he's in.

No, it doesn't excuse it. I merely don't feel right in criticising him myself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on November 26, 2014, 01:15:20 AM
For someone who has come from such a disadvantaged background, he seems to have such a poor attitude. You would have thought he'd appreciate the position he's in.

It doesn't necessarily work like that.  I'm not for a minute excusing what he's allegedly done - if true, there but for fortune goes another Lee Hughes - but it's not as simple as "he's got loads of money, so therefore he should be happy".  There are some things money alone won't cure.

He posted something on Twitter earlier about a person's worst enemy being their own mind; I wouldn't pretend to know Saido's mind at all, but I'd hazard a guess that when you flee your homeland at the age of ten to escape a conflict which has killed your father, you're going to be carrying more baggage than just what's in your suitcase.  Maybe that's not it, maybe I'm totally wrong, but this scandal and the ones earlier in the year have a whiff of deeper troubles to me.  Sometimes these things get planted in childhood and don't crop up until later in life; all the positive attitude in the world can't prevent it.

Of course, you don't solve these problems by playing Lewis Hamilton up the motorway in the middle of the night, and it's lucky no one was hurt or killed by what allegedly happened.  If I'm wrong and this incident really is about pure empty-headed idiocy then fair enough, throw the book at him.  But if there are demons at work, then Saido, you need to get help before you do something you can't take back.  I trust that those around him know which it is, and will act accordingly.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 26, 2014, 08:10:36 AM
I probably did something like it when I was his age. I just didn't get caught.
So it makes it OK if others have done it too or is it just as bad on their account? If he, or anyone else, has done this, there is no mitigation for it whatsoever.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 26, 2014, 10:00:34 AM
According to the Guardian, the club didn't find out about this until Monday!
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/25/west-brom-saido-berahino-driving-arrest (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/25/west-brom-saido-berahino-driving-arrest)

Sounds like BS to me (Albion media dept playing things with a dead bat) but if it's true the club is far less efficient than they're letting on. Can't believe they'd let a multi-million pound asset, to whom they pay a fortune each week and are allegedly seeking to give a contract worth even more, go out on a bender without keeping tabs on him.

What do you want the club to do put a tag on him? Only so much the club can do, once he's out of work hours he can do what he wants. No one but him and whoever he was with that night knows what he was doing going up North that day so we can't come out and say he was on a bender. If he sorted his own solicitor out its entirely possible the club wouldn't know about it until the papers got in touch asking for a comment.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 26, 2014, 10:24:49 AM
Has no-one considered he may have been stitched up. Done forget the police were tipped off. It doesn't take much of a spike to send you over the limit. None of us know anything about this incident, so I for one will wait till the truth comes out before deciding he has to be crucified or not.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 26, 2014, 12:36:15 PM
So it makes it OK if others have done it too or is it just as bad on their account? If he, or anyone else, has done this, there is no mitigation for it whatsoever.

It's always irritating when someone either doesn't read or ignores previous responses to the same question.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tuamigos on November 26, 2014, 12:40:28 PM
Has no-one considered he may have been stitched up. Done forget the police were tipped off. It doesn't take much of a spike to send you over the limit. None of us know anything about this incident, so I for one will wait till the truth comes out before deciding he has to be crucified or not.

Yeah Ive heard a lot about those coctails that send you over the DD limit, make you drive at 40mph over the speed limit and keep you out until 3-00am when you should be tucked up in bed because you've got training next morning  ::)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 26, 2014, 01:27:07 PM
Yeah Ive heard a lot about those coctails that send you over the DD limit, make you drive at 40mph over the speed limit and keep you out until 3-00am when you should be tucked up in bed because you've got training next morning  ::)
The spike was just a wild theory. It's the tip off that sent an alarm off for me.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stoxman on November 26, 2014, 01:45:00 PM
There were 55,000 people convicted of drink driving in the UK last year. EVERY one of those had a choice to use a taxi, get a hotel or stay at home. Whether you earn £14k per week or £14k per year you can still afford a taxi if your licence or the risk of an accident means enough to you. The suggestion that SB is especially stupid just because he is rich and famous doesn't work for me. All people make mistakes; some we get caught making and some we get away with. The difference between SB getting home without meeting the police, being arrested for drink driving or facing a charge or death by drink driving is luck, pure and simple. I have personally driven well over 100 mph and have driven over the limit (but not at the same time).  It doesn't make it right. I have more than enough money to have taken taxis when I shouldn't have driven. People make bad choices that are ridiculous in hindsight but it appears that the rich and famous are tarred as being extra stupid.  Perhaps we should run a poll that asks whether posters have ever driven whilst over the limit or over 100mph. Only those who can truthfully answer "no" to both questions can throw stones. The rest of us should just feel lucky we weren't caught...
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on November 26, 2014, 01:49:26 PM
The spike was just a wild theory. It's the tip off that sent an alarm off for me.
I would assume the tip off was from someone he drove past.
At least we don't have to worry about our midfielders following suit, it's been a long time since any of them went past anyone at speed!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: WorcsWBA on November 26, 2014, 03:14:56 PM
It's always irritating when someone either doesn't read or ignores previous responses to the same question.
Probably as irritating as "I probably did that when I was younger but didn't get caught" posts!  :P
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Adder on November 27, 2014, 01:59:27 PM
I noticed Irvine when he spoke of Craig Gardner recently said he's got a great attitude to training and looking after himself diet-wise and is a non-drinker. He also said that a lot of Premier league players are non-drinkers these days so why put yourself at a disadvantage through drinking.

I wonder how many of our squad are non-drinkers.....we know Saido and Sess are not from drink driving episodes. 
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on November 27, 2014, 03:17:03 PM
I noticed Irvine when he spoke of Craig Gardner recently said he's got a great attitude to training and looking after himself diet-wise and is a non-drinker. He also said that a lot of Premier league players are non-drinkers these days so why put yourself at a disadvantage through drinking.

I wonder how many of our squad are non-drinkers.....we know Saido and Sess are not from drink driving episodes.

Foster comes across as a family man so im guessing hes not a big drinker.

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 27, 2014, 09:44:14 PM
It doesn't necessarily work like that.  I'm not for a minute excusing what he's allegedly done - if true, there but for fortune goes another Lee Hughes - but it's not as simple as "he's got loads of money, so therefore he should be happy".  There are some things money alone won't cure.

He posted something on Twitter earlier about a person's worst enemy being their own mind; I wouldn't pretend to know Saido's mind at all, but I'd hazard a guess that when you flee your homeland at the age of ten to escape a conflict which has killed your father, you're going to be carrying more baggage than just what's in your suitcase.  Maybe that's not it, maybe I'm totally wrong, but this scandal and the ones earlier in the year have a whiff of deeper troubles to me.  Sometimes these things get planted in childhood and don't crop up until later in life; all the positive attitude in the world can't prevent it.

Of course, you don't solve these problems by playing Lewis Hamilton up the motorway in the middle of the night, and it's lucky no one was hurt or killed by what allegedly happened.  If I'm wrong and this incident really is about pure empty-headed idiocy then fair enough, throw the book at him.  But if there are demons at work, then Saido, you need to get help before you do something you can't take back.  I trust that those around him know which it is, and will act accordingly.

A TOP post...imo
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 27, 2014, 10:10:51 PM
No, it doesn't excuse it. I merely don't feel right in criticising him myself.

I am hearing a lot of broken glass from glass houses in this thread, just think back to what you did in your youth, I had a Dad to keep me straight as well.

I was lucky on a couple of occasions, and I'm not really a drinker.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on November 28, 2014, 09:08:28 AM
I'm 40 odd and never done it, despite being more than partial to a drink, I have even upset friends by refusing a lift if they have had a beer.
That being said I have done many other foolish things in that time, especially when I was his age. What is frustrating though is how much emphasis he has put on him knuckling down and concentrating on his football etc.
On a side note Irvine has been quoted in the paper today that no-one at the club knew until this Monday, that he's not getting involved as it is not a football matter and the best way for him to answer his critics is to score goals.
This seems contradictory to me, as, if it is not a football matter, how can scoring goals have any impact.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 28, 2014, 07:52:46 PM
I'm 40 odd and never done it, despite being more than partial to a drink, I have even upset friends by refusing a lift if they have had a beer.
That being said I have done many other foolish things in that time, especially when I was his age. What is frustrating though is how much emphasis he has put on him knuckling down and concentrating on his football etc.
On a side note Irvine has been quoted in the paper today that no-one at the club knew until this Monday, that he's not getting involved as it is not a football matter and the best way for him to answer his critics is to score goals.
This seems contradictory to me, as, if it is not a football matter, how can scoring goals have any impact.

Whilst not trying to be a clever dick here, is it possible you could have had an alcohol content in your blood the following day driving to work etc?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 28, 2014, 08:16:02 PM
Look, I've not weighed in on this really but there is no need for either the holier than thou's or the lets defend our player at all costs brigade to fall out. Berahino is indeed lucky he's not another Luke McCormack, I imagine a few of us are. If this was dingle we'd want the book throwing at him, as it stands he will get due process which will be a ban and a fine, with possibly some awareness or community service. No chance of prison, so let's get behind him as a West Brom player.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: valleybaggie on November 28, 2014, 09:50:54 PM
the only downside to irvine following most peoples opinion on here and dropping saido is he'll probably put another defensive player in the starting eleven and every team that visits our ground will be camped in our half and their goalie can pop out for a beer
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 28, 2014, 11:52:08 PM
the only downside to irvine following most peoples opinion on here and dropping saido is he'll probably put another defensive player in the starting eleven and every team that visits our ground will be camped in our half and their goalie can pop out for a beer
...but not then attempt to drive himself home, because we all know what could happen.  ;)
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 13, 2014, 04:21:04 AM
Was told by someone after the match today that contract talks had broken down but not sure where that came from, anyone else heard anything?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 13, 2014, 04:25:43 AM
Was told by someone after the match today that contract talks had broken down but not sure where that came from, anyone else heard anything?
Probably wants 70k or more a week now he is in the England squad.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on December 13, 2014, 04:31:19 AM
Was told by someone after the match today that contract talks had broken down but not sure where that came from, anyone else heard anything?

Haven't they been put on hold until this alleged drink driving issue is resolved?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 13, 2014, 04:41:45 AM
No idea just had a text off a mate saying someone has said contract talks on hold, would make sense if it was I suppose.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stubba on December 13, 2014, 07:12:29 AM
Haven't they been put on hold until this alleged drink driving issue is resolved?
. Correct
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 13, 2014, 08:00:36 PM
Anyone think we should cash in for £20-£25m and put our faith into promoting Nabi?
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: lewisant on December 13, 2014, 08:06:59 PM
Anyone think we should cash in for £20-£25m and put our faith into promoting Nabi?

We don't really know anything about Nabi other than he scores in the under 21 league.

It really would be blind faith, and in football you need to be more pragmatic. Saido's goals have got us where we are, so doing what you've said would be very naive.

Send Nabi on loan to the championship
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 13, 2014, 09:05:52 PM
We don't really know anything about Nabi other than he scores in the under 21 league.

It really would be blind faith, and in football you need to be more pragmatic. Saido's goals have got us where we are, so doing what you've said would be very naive.

Send Nabi on loan to the championship

You're forgetting we should have the Berahino money to reinvest, to hopefully get a goalscorer in and take the burden off Nabi.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: swad35 on December 13, 2014, 09:18:35 PM
Isn't it the case that SB is on the bench and Brown given his chance due to a big money sale in Jan. No one wants to pay 20 mill plus for an injured player and baggies preparing for life without him.

I personally would sell.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on December 13, 2014, 09:27:35 PM
Who's going to buy him until the alleged drink drive issue's been sorted? If he's cleared, I think we should keep him. AI is quite rightly giving Brown Ideye game time just in case SB is found guilty.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on December 13, 2014, 10:57:14 PM
berahino should be starting especially if Valera is now starting,berahino is always a threat but has suffered recently through negative tactics and lack of service,he was the only one who could a did break villa down,brown looks presently like a waste of 10 mil
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on December 13, 2014, 11:11:25 PM
If Berahino goes, we are more or less doomed. I cannot see Ideye and  Anichebe providing the goals or movement on and off the ball up front.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on December 14, 2014, 12:22:09 AM
The lad is starting to become a nuisance.

Ive noticed the last 2 games that at HT, whilst all the other subs do the mini-drill with the coach, he taps a ball left to right and back again.

The way he walks around acting like Mr. Big Time is the exact reason that, for the 2nd season in a row, he bas been dropped and finds people on his back.

I think overall he is overrated but accept he is a talent. I just dont see this "wonderkid" that everybody else seems to see.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2014, 12:24:45 AM
The lad is starting to become a nuisance.

Ive noticed the last 2 games that at HT, whilst all the other subs do the mini-drill with the coach, he taps a ball left to right and back again.


The way he walks around acting like Mr. Big Time is the exact reason that, for the 2nd season in a row, he bas been dropped and finds people on his back.

I think overall he is overrated but accept he is a talent. I just dont see this "wonderkid" that everybody else seems to see.

Just like Samaras every game he is sub.

I don't think he is over-rated at all to be honest but for me looks a much better player out wide, more involved in the game than when he is isolated up top on his own.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on December 14, 2014, 12:40:02 AM
The lad is starting to become a nuisance.

Ive noticed the last 2 games that at HT, whilst all the other subs do the mini-drill with the coach, he taps a ball left to right and back again.

The way he walks around acting like Mr. Big Time is the exact reason that, for the 2nd season in a row, he bas been dropped and finds people on his back.

I think overall he is overrated but accept he is a talent. I just dont see this "wonderkid" that everybody else seems to see.

If you don't see what he brings, there are plenty of other large clubs who do. And the fact he is in the full England squad must say something. Unless, we somehow find a proven goalscorer as replacement, I can't see either Ideye or Anichebe being an adequate replacement. We just won't create or score enough and will probably be relegated.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: gavinrussell on December 14, 2014, 12:50:06 AM
Time to cash in when Liverpool come knocking.( he will enjoy the subs bench up there )..then invest in a top central midfielder and bring Nabi and Roofe into the first team...happy days
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiebof on December 14, 2014, 01:18:32 AM
Time to cash in when Liverpool come knocking.( he will enjoy the subs bench up there )..then invest in a top central midfielder and bring Nabi and Roofe into the first team...happy days

I don't ever see Roofe being good enough for us. Nabi on the other hand could be.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: alex1 on December 14, 2014, 01:24:19 AM
I don't ever see Roofe being good enough for us. Nabi on the other hand could be.
But will he be good enough to score the goals to keep us up this season.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on December 14, 2014, 03:02:25 AM
If you don't see what he brings, there are plenty of other large clubs who do. And the fact he is in the full England squad must say something. Unless, we somehow find a proven goalscorer as replacement, I can't see either Ideye or Anichebe being an adequate replacement. We just won't create or score enough and will probably be relegated.

I think Benteke & Bony would be ahead of Berahino on any of the big clubs wishlists.

I dont see Berahino scoring another 8 goals this season to take him to 15. A figure any "top-class" CF should be aiming for.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: wbarenno on December 14, 2014, 03:15:54 AM
Time to cash in when Liverpool come knocking.( he will enjoy the subs bench up there )..then invest in a top central midfielder and bring Nabi and Roofe into the first team...happy days

Really? Did you not notice the difference when he came on yesterday? Take his goals out and we would be in the bottom 3. Should be starting in my opinion,he is the only bloke weve got that can score goals
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 14, 2014, 03:26:37 AM
I was shocked he wasn't used as one of the wide players from the start yesterday, genuinely think he is a good option in that position but maybe there is a little more to it. I noticed him head straight down the tunnel as soon as the whistle went instead of celebrating with his teammates which was a little disappointing.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on December 14, 2014, 03:41:06 AM
I was shocked he wasn't used as one of the wide players from the start yesterday, genuinely think he is a good option in that position but maybe there is a little more to it. I noticed him head straight down the tunnel as soon as the whistle went instead of celebrating with his teammates which was a little disappointing.

Saido is our most talented player, but he has looked sullen lately, which is understandable after his drunk driving nonsense. Saido really needs to grow up now and take himself in hand.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 14, 2014, 03:55:57 AM
Heard we have suspended contract extension talks....
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 14, 2014, 03:56:31 AM
Saido is potentially our best forward but he continues to show signs he believes in the hype that surrounds him at the moment and, for me, is not a team player and only interested in himself. Some of his decision making remains poor,  failing to play the simple ball because he wants to do too much, and the work ethic when having lost the ball isn't great. But he is young and will hopefully learn.
He has only scored 4 goals that were not penalties in 18 appearances (16 starts), better than our other strikers, but still not as good as some would make out.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: GrGr on December 14, 2014, 04:45:27 AM
Saido is potentially our best forward but he continues to show signs he believes in the hype that surrounds him at the moment and, for me, is not a team player and only interested in himself. Some of his decision making remains poor,  failing to play the simple ball because he wants to do too much, and the work ethic when having lost the ball isn't great. But he is young and will hopefully learn.
He has only scored 4 goals that were not penalties in 18 appearances (16 starts), better than our other strikers, but still not as good as some would make out.

Then again he hasn't really played with proper support as a striker, also he has often been used as a winger. In a 'properly' set up attacking team he would have much more help from other players in finding chances. Keep in mind that under Irvine our team has had an extremely low offensive threat, especially in open play. There is no striker in the world that does it all by himself.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: stubba on December 14, 2014, 05:53:14 AM
Heard we have suspended contract extension talks....
.   Where have you been the last 10 days!!
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Dudleylad on December 14, 2014, 06:05:58 AM
We are showing him hes not bigger than the club.

Hes no doubt a talented player who I still believe should have played a part in those two internationals but hes not above being dropped if his form or attitude dips.

Irvines management of this has been a positive to be fair.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 14, 2014, 06:16:11 AM
Then again he hasn't really played with proper support as a striker, also he has often been used as a winger. In a 'properly' set up attacking team he would have much more help from other players in finding chances. Keep in mind that under Irvine our team has had an extremely low offensive threat, especially in open play. There is no striker in the world that does it all by himself.
He has scored more goals under Irvine than he did under the arguably more attacking Clarke and Mel  ???
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2014, 06:20:58 AM
He has scored more goals under Irvine than he did under the arguably more attacking Clarke and Mel  ???


He had 9 in 36 appearances (22 as sub) before this season and has 8 in 19 (4 as sub this season)

You play a bloke and let him take penalties he scores more goals well he will by the time he has played same number of games
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 14, 2014, 06:45:02 AM

He had 9 in 36 appearances (22 as sub) before this season and has 8 in 19 (4 as sub this season)

You play a bloke and let him take penalties he scores more goals well he will by the time he has played same number of games

5 in 32 appearances in the Premier League last season (20 as sub), 7 in 16 this season (2 as sub).

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/profile.career-history.html/saido-berahino
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 14, 2014, 06:50:28 AM
5 in 32 appearances in the Premier League last season (20 as sub), 7 in 16 this season (2 as sub).

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/profile.career-history.html/saido-berahino

You didn't say Premier League  ;)

But same applies, more starts, take penalties = more goals
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: elkiellis on December 14, 2014, 07:54:35 PM
I think Benteke & Bony would be ahead of Berahino on any of the big clubs wishlists.

I dont see Berahino scoring another 8 goals this season to take him to 15. A figure any "top-class" CF should be aiming for.
I agree the big clubs will be more interested in bony and benteke,but the only reason berahino wont score 15 is because of lack of time on the pitch if he had played at hull we would have 3 points,without his goals we would be behind Leicester,given the options he simply must start
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 14, 2014, 07:54:50 PM
Came on and played for himself on Saturday, very poor form in my opinion.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on December 14, 2014, 08:34:42 PM
I agree the big clubs will be more interested in bony and benteke,but the only reason berahino wont score 15 is because of lack of time on the pitch if he had played at hull we would have 3 points,without his goals we would be behind Leicester,given the options he simply must start

How do you make that assumption?

If you mean by taking the penalty, i would say we wouldnt of won the penalty as Anichebe was playing in his place.

The lad has only scored in 5 games this season, and hasnt scored in 7; you have to draw a line at some point and give others a fair crack of the whip.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on December 14, 2014, 08:45:39 PM
Think its fair to give him a rest and others a chance, I started to notice a little bit of cockiness creeping back into his game the last few weeks, like hes become arrogant again.

At the start of the season it was like he had a point to prove, now hes kind of proved it, its like he is starting to feel untouchable again, was the right call to rest him.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on December 14, 2014, 08:48:02 PM
Think he will be back in for QPR, Ideye looked off the pace, should have had more game time off the bench.
Would like to see him alongside Varela and Sess, because, as has been said, he is our most natural goalscorer. Think Varela could well chip in with a few though given a run in the side. Certainly looks more likely than Brunt or Dorrans.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: geoff on December 14, 2014, 08:54:05 PM
 ::) He is a young lad just starting out FGS give him some time & space, he WILL make mistakes thats how he will learn & the same thing goes for Bobby in my opinion there is the making of a good strike partnership there.
Rant over. :D
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: tommcneill on December 14, 2014, 09:04:59 PM
If the club have halted contract talks then something isn't right with him.

I can see us cashing in on him
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: seteefeet on December 14, 2014, 09:23:03 PM
::) He is a young lad just starting out FGS give him some time & space, he WILL make mistakes thats how he will learn & the same thing goes for Bobby in my opinion there is the making of a good strike partnership there.
Rant over. :D
Sorry but he is not that young and he is not just starting out he is in his 2nd season, plus it is not his first indiscretion is it. He needs to man up and take control of his career otherwise he may live to regret it.
Think the club and the fans have shown more than enough support for him, time for him to knuckle down, wind his neck in and make the most of his talent.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: baggiejohn on December 14, 2014, 09:43:02 PM
From what I can gather, the speeding's a given, if the police can prove that he was also over the limit, a custodial sentence is possible.
Why on earth would you want to continue contact negotiations with an employee in those circumstances?
I suspect Saido's got the hump because the club have taken that stance, & AI's bringing Ideye in to make sure he's up to speed if the worse happens.
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: Mister AT on December 14, 2014, 09:58:24 PM
From what I can gather, the speeding's a given, if the police can prove that he was also over the limit, a custodial sentence is possible.
Why on earth would you want to continue contact negotiations with an employee in those circumstances?
I suspect Saido's got the hump because the club have taken that stance, & AI's bringing Ideye in to make sure he's up to speed if the worse happens.

I mentioned this to a fellow baggie over the weekend, maybe the powers above have told AI he needs to give Ideye a chance, just incase the worst happens with Berahino.

The club are right to place contract talks on hold in relation to the driving incident, wouldnt make any financial sense for the club to offer him 25-30k a week if hes going down for 6 months (unlikely).

Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: ashdoy on December 15, 2014, 12:13:39 AM
I mentioned this to a fellow baggie over the weekend, maybe the powers above have told AI he needs to give Ideye a chance, just incase the worst happens with Berahino.

The club are right to place contract talks on hold in relation to the driving incident, wouldnt make any financial sense for the club to offer him 25-30k a week if hes going down for 6 months (unlikely).

I would also guess that the club are treading carefully again. We all know how the world is at this moment in time in regards to publicly backing people who do wrong.

For example; we bided our time over Anelka and i believe we are doing the same here. I'm not suggesting we'll sack him, but we are making the correct & quite frankly the only decision that should be considered.

If he gets off, we'll probably up it.
If he doesn't get off, we'll say "book your ideas up before you have your wages go up".
Title: Re: Saido Berahino
Post by: caravanc58 on December 19,