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Title: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on March 09, 2019, 07:58:58 PM
Personally I think this has Big Sam written all over it.

Someone needs to come in who demands respect, and a huge promotion bonus on offer.

Just been told that Big Dave had lost the faith of some of the players in the squad. Was told her had to win today’s game to save his job. Maybe that explains the performance.
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Post by: ashdoy on March 09, 2019, 08:04:08 PM
I can guarantee whoever it is, the same people who hated Dave WILL 100% hate the new guy.

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Post by: Aztech on March 09, 2019, 08:06:37 PM
I can guarantee whoever it is, the same people who hated Dave WILL 100% hate the new guy.

I’d suggest very few people if any hated Darren Moore, however the majority were probably well aware he had many limitations.
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Post by: Atomic on March 09, 2019, 08:06:49 PM
I can guarantee whoever it is, the same people who hated Dave WILL 100% hate the new guy.


No-one hated Darren Moore, far from it.
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Post by: Foster#1 on March 09, 2019, 08:07:43 PM
I hope its moyes or big Sam. Can you imagine them with this set of players. It'll be worst than pulis and Pardew

Oooo talking about Alan, he's stil clubless.


They're my top 3.
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Post by: frazzle on March 09, 2019, 08:08:33 PM
Needs to be someone who has the potential to lift the squad to promotion, but will also stay to build toward promotion next season. Someone who has potential to build a squad from scratch. Someone who plays half decent football please.
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Post by: Mister AT on March 09, 2019, 08:09:18 PM
I think it will be one of:

Big sam
Moyes
Jokanovic.
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Post by: frazzle on March 09, 2019, 08:09:38 PM
No to Allardyce. Please no.
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Post by: BoingFlyer on March 09, 2019, 08:09:56 PM
Back room staff gone already. If there is not someone lined up to start Monday morning this is even more of a terrible decision then it looks.

My money is on Big Sam.
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Post by: Mister AT on March 09, 2019, 08:11:41 PM
I just think it has Allardyce written all over it.

Massive bonus if he gets promoted. Probably on a short term contract till end of season.

Will come and demand respect straight away.
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Post by: bangkokbaggie on March 09, 2019, 08:12:40 PM
Does anyone think we need a new manager willing to take chances on some of our promising young academy players?
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Post by: BoingFlyer on March 09, 2019, 08:13:09 PM
Claude Puel, club will be aware of him already with the Barns loan.
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Post by: royhan on March 09, 2019, 08:16:45 PM
Carlos Carvalhal did well to a degree at Sheffield Wednesday and Swansea. He is out of work and could be a useful stopgap until the end of the season.
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Post by: fatboy_coach on March 09, 2019, 08:17:06 PM
Hate to say it but Nigel Pearson is available!
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Post by: WBArgo on March 09, 2019, 08:17:19 PM
Allardyce is unfairly put into the same bracket as Pardew/Pulis when in reality he is a far superior manager who is much more diverse with his tactics.

I remember seeing him on an old football show and beneath the 'Big Sam' façade he is actually a very intelligent tactician when it comes to football; I think his northern reputation away from the pitch doesn't do him any favours though.

Anyway, I thought he hated us after we let him go many moons ago - so I doubt it will be him.
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Post by: 17GD on March 09, 2019, 08:18:31 PM
I'd be happy with Puel or Jokanavic.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 09, 2019, 08:19:24 PM
Slavisa Jokanovic, in a heart beat
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Post by: Dexy on March 09, 2019, 08:21:50 PM
Karanka will be in the frame , interviewed last time.
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Post by: Topman on March 09, 2019, 08:26:12 PM
Nigel Pearson on Talksport said he expects it will probably be Karanka
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Post by: wba_1996 on March 09, 2019, 08:26:23 PM
I want Jokanovic, give him a shot at the play offs and let him rebuild in the summer regardless of what league we're in. We desperately need to go back to scouting from abroad.

I don't want Allardyce and don't think he'd even want the job, but this group of players would suit him and I reckon he'd win the play offs. Not someone I'd want beyond 6 months though so it's a no from me.
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Post by: Dan on March 09, 2019, 08:30:48 PM
Karanka would just be a Spanish Tony Pulis, the football under him is horrifically boring

Allardyce would be the best option, he knows what he's doing. 6 month contract with a big bonus at the end and I expect we'd win the play offs.
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Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on March 09, 2019, 08:31:55 PM
Shakespeare.....?
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Post by: Albion79 on March 09, 2019, 08:33:00 PM
Out the names on here there is only Jokanovic who plays entertaining football.

The rest are cautious coaches, i look forward to our fans reaction to the football they play.
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Post by: caravanc58 on March 09, 2019, 08:34:36 PM
Nigel Pearson on Talksport said he expects it will probably be Karanka
Don't think this chaps cut out for English football ,had rows with everyone at Boro and asked to be released when at Forest. seems an unstable bloke.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 09, 2019, 08:35:42 PM
Here are the odds for who will be in charge of Albion’s first league match next season, via SkyBet.
Lee Johnson 3/1
Slavisa Jokanovic 4/1
David Wagner 5/1
David Moyes 7/1
Steve Clarke 9/1
Sam Allardyce 12/1
Alan Pardew 16/1
Carlos Carvalhal 18/1
Nigel Pearson 18/1
Mark Hughes 20/1
Aitor Karanka 22/1
Craig Shakespeare 22/1
Claude Puel 25/1
Harry Redknapp 25/1
Paul Clement 25/1
Gary Rowett 28/1
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Post by: Trigger on March 09, 2019, 08:36:15 PM
Garry Monk
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Post by: Mister AT on March 09, 2019, 08:36:59 PM
I’d put my house on these two options.

Allardyce short term deal with big promotion bonus.

Jokanovic as long term plan, shot st plays offs and rebuild in summer.
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Post by: suffolk baggieboy on March 09, 2019, 08:39:38 PM
What about Michael Appleton??
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Post by: hunsletbaggie on March 09, 2019, 08:39:51 PM
I would go for Wagner done it through play offs with Huddersfield.
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Post by: Standaman on March 09, 2019, 08:43:54 PM
If it is Allardyce I am through I hate the fat barstool I will not set foot back into the Hawthorns while he was here. If the club was going to do this I am glad they have before I have committed to next year's season ticket.

Express & Star currently reporting that Slavisa Jokanovic  is on the short list. Yes whatever don't care seriously inebriated off tonight.

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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 09, 2019, 08:44:16 PM
Garry Monk
Yes that's the one for me, but I think at the end of the season.
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Post by: wbawill on March 09, 2019, 08:46:02 PM
If it's Allardyce, I might just stab myself in the eyeballs rather than watch that crap. Jokanovic failed in the Prem, so would be a fairly short sighted option. Don't see much point in going up and coming straight back down.
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Post by: darbolina on March 09, 2019, 08:48:40 PM
Jokanovic - two promotions playing decent football at Watford and Fulham - clubs with similar resources to us


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Post by: Blowee on March 09, 2019, 08:49:19 PM
What about an ex-player (captain even) with the initials DM?
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Post by: OldburyWBA on March 09, 2019, 08:50:05 PM
Jokanovic - two promotions playing decent football at Watford and Fulham - clubs with similar resources to us

I wanted Jokanaovic before Moore got the job last season but he was never going to leave Fulham in their position at the time. If we gave him the job it could work as we won't give him £100m to spend if we go up.
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Post by: Atomic on March 09, 2019, 08:52:17 PM
If it's Allardyce, I might just stab myself in the eyeballs rather than watch that crap. Jokanovic failed in the Prem, so would be a fairly short sighted option. Don't see much point in going up and coming straight back down.


To be fair I'd argue it wasn't really his fault. Fulham gambled in trying to buy almost an entire team. Too many changes at once.
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Post by: paulosull on March 09, 2019, 08:52:49 PM
If it's Allardyce, I might just stab myself in the eyeballs rather than watch that crap. Jokanovic failed in the Prem, so would be a fairly short sighted option. Don't see much point in going up and coming straight back down.
owner's do parachute money
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 09, 2019, 08:55:19 PM
John Percy Twitter Account

Background on West Brom's bonkers/surprise/correct decision to sack Darren Moore. In short, there have been concerns since Nov & the board feel squad should be top 2. Slavisa Jokanovic a leading contender

Percy is not very often short of the mark.
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Post by: paulosull on March 09, 2019, 08:55:30 PM
What about an ex-player (captain even) with the initials DM?
would be good shout Aberdeen play some good stuff
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Post by: Blowee on March 09, 2019, 08:58:05 PM
would be good shout Aberdeen play some good stuff
Wouldn't need to buy a new Head Coach tracksuit either!😀
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Post by: Atomic on March 09, 2019, 08:59:40 PM
Wouldn't need to buy a new Head Coach tracksuit either!😀


You're kidding. There's about a foot and six stone difference between the two.  ;)
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Post by: paulosull on March 09, 2019, 09:00:17 PM
Wouldn't need to buy a new Head Coach tracksuit either!😀
just need to take it up a few feet  ;)
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Post by: Arthur Pewty on March 09, 2019, 09:02:59 PM
just need to take it up a few feet  ;)
Never happen WunderWeb is expensive.
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Post by: frazzle on March 09, 2019, 09:03:02 PM
would be good shout Aberdeen play some good stuff

Do your homework ffs. No they don’t.
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Post by: caravanc58 on March 09, 2019, 09:03:18 PM
Lee johnson of Bristol city has been linked a few times in the past, he was third fav before Moore got the job. can't see Monk leaving Brum.
Wouldn't want fat Sam.
or Mark Hughes.
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Post by: wba_1996 on March 09, 2019, 09:08:36 PM
Wondered how long it would take for the McInness brigade to come out, they want him for the exact reason that got Moore the job. He's nowhere near good enough, and plays dross football.

If you wanted Moore out but also want McInness appointed then you're a lost cause.
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Post by: Baggies on March 09, 2019, 09:09:28 PM
Puel or Karanka would be huge backwards steps. They have been sacked elsewhere for good reasons. Let’s go for something more than just results (not that Karanka offers those either).

Jokanovic has a decent record at this level, and some decent football, but again, he has shown limitations which have resulted in 2 failings (for want of a better word).

I’d love Dowling to pull a really clever left field appointment out of nowhere this week, but I don’t hav much faith in the club nowadays.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on March 09, 2019, 09:12:21 PM
Puel or Karanka would be huge backwards steps. They have been sacked elsewhere for good reasons. Let’s go for something more than just results (not that Karanka offers those either).

Jokanovic has a decent record at this level, and some decent football, but again, he has shown limitations which have resulted in 2 failings (for want of a better word).

I’d love Dowling to pull a really clever left field appointment out of nowhere this week, but I don’t hav much faith in the club nowadays.

Failed with Fulham in the Prem due to the amount of players they signed and tried to get in the team, he wouldn't have that money to spend here. Didn't fail at Watford though as he left before the season started due to not agreeing a new deal
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Post by: hunsletbaggie on March 09, 2019, 09:20:41 PM
Puel or Karanka would be huge backwards steps. They have been sacked elsewhere for good reasons. Let’s go for something more than just results (not that Karanka offers those either).

Jokanovic has a decent record at this level, and some decent football, but again, he has shown limitations which have resulted in 2 failings (for want of a better word).

I’d love Dowling to pull a really clever left field appointment out of nowhere this week, but I don’t hav much faith in the club nowadays.
Daniel Stendel
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 09, 2019, 09:20:45 PM
Hate to say it but Nigel Pearson is available!

He’s manager of Leuven in Belgium
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Post by: Albion79 on March 09, 2019, 09:23:01 PM
Jokanovic seems the standout one, think its widely reported that in the summer the Fulham owners son got involved and signed players who he wanted not jokanovic.

whoever it is has their work cut out, if we go up these players have contracts and will probably end up staying and the new bloke has to buck the trend of three previous managers and two years of decline and get them to be good enough for the premier league.

if we stay down the club will probably look to cash in on a lot of the players due to less parachute money meaning the new manager can build their own squad, however as this season has shown neither the owners or a section of our fans have patience so the rebuilt squad will need to be top 2 and playing good football from day one or they will be under big pressure.
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Post by: hardtobeat on March 09, 2019, 09:23:14 PM
Reckon it will be somebody like Moyes til end of season if he gets us up the jobs his if not its all up in the air again and the decision will be his

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Post by: overseas baggie on March 09, 2019, 09:23:36 PM
Lee johnson of Bristol city has been linked a few times in the past, he was third fav before Moore got the job. can't see Monk leaving Brum.
Wouldn't want fat Sam.
or Mark Hughes.

Christ I’d forgotten about Mark Hughes.  Please no...

Moyes wouldn’t be the worst option. Apart from failing at United (was he worse than LVG or Mourinho at the end) his record isn’t as bad as most people think
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Post by: OldburyWBA on March 09, 2019, 09:24:54 PM
He’s manager of Leuven in Belgium

Got sacked last month
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Post by: Smethwickender93 on March 09, 2019, 09:29:29 PM
Steve Clarke anyone?
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 09, 2019, 09:31:01 PM
Got sacked last month

Ok thanks - I’d missed that
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 09, 2019, 09:34:11 PM
Steve Clarke anyone?

Could do a lot worse.  Is doing a fine job with limited upside at Killie, and is clearly angling for a move back to England by his recent comments re bigotry in Scotland.

Wouldn’t surprise me if it’s Moyes. He was willing to take a short contract at West Ham, kept them up and they finished 13th but he still left.
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Post by: victor mature on March 09, 2019, 09:38:37 PM
Steve Clarke's name popped into my head when I was making the tea. I think he feels he was sacked prematurely and wouldn't say no. Don't have any strong opinions other than none of the dinosaurs please
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Post by: seteefeet on March 09, 2019, 09:38:56 PM
Wow after seeing all these names I don't know what I was worried about.
Jesus H Christ.
Moore was called clueless many times, but we trust the likes of Jenkins and Lai to get the next appointment right? The irony is absurd.
Clueless doesn't even cut it.
Sky poll of 30000 people 91% say we are stupid.
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Post by: baggie82 on March 09, 2019, 09:39:13 PM
Jokanovic has twice won promotion including the play offs last season so he seem's the obvious pick. I'd be surprised if it wasn't him and official website states hope to announce new manager soon so it's probably going to be someone out of work.
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Post by: mig on March 09, 2019, 09:41:13 PM
 Jokanovic for me. Make the decision based on us having to rebuild in the Champ next season, and if he does manage to get us up through the playoffs from this position then consider it a bonus.

Sadly as others have said I have very little confidence in the board to make the right appointment these days. The last 3 or 4 now have been very poor.
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Post by: Aztech on March 09, 2019, 09:43:20 PM
Wow after seeing all these names I don't know what I was worried about.
Jesus H Christ.
Moore was called clueless many times, but we trust the likes of Jenkins and Lai to get the next appointment right? The irony is absurd.
Clueless doesn't even cut it.
Sky poll of 30000 people 91% say we are stupid.

On that basis I’m sure he’ll secure another high profile appointment some time soon.
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Post by: caravanc58 on March 09, 2019, 09:46:07 PM
hate short term appointments because it's the usual names that crop up.
it's obvious the club won't go down the route of long term else Moore would've been given more time.
ideally I'd like someone who can build a young team and utilises the academy.
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Post by: richjonawba on March 09, 2019, 09:51:37 PM
Wow after seeing all these names I don't know what I was worried about.
Jesus H Christ.
Moore was called clueless many times, but we trust the likes of Jenkins and Lai to get the next appointment right? The irony is absurd.
Clueless doesn't even cut it.
Sky poll of 30000 people 91% say we are stupid.

How many of them have watched us play even once this season do you reckon?
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Post by: Atomic on March 09, 2019, 09:53:41 PM
How many of them have watched us play even once this season do you reckon?


Exactly. None of them give a stuff about us.
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Post by: Baggies on March 09, 2019, 09:54:01 PM
Failed with Fulham in the Prem due to the amount of players they signed and tried to get in the team, he wouldn't have that money to spend here. Didn't fail at Watford though as he left before the season started due to not agreeing a new deal

Hadn’t realised he had got Watford promotion before leaving, my bad. His record is better than i’ve Given it credit for when considering that.

I’d still like a left field appointment, but i’d Prefer Jokanovic to Wagner, Karanka, Moyes, Hughes etc.
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Post by: wba_1996 on March 09, 2019, 09:57:10 PM
Wow after seeing all these names I don't know what I was worried about.
Jesus H Christ.
Moore was called clueless many times, but we trust the likes of Jenkins and Lai to get the next appointment right? The irony is absurd.
Clueless doesn't even cut it.
Sky poll of 30000 people 91% say we are stupid.

If those 30000 people have watched every Albion match this season, can name our full 23+ man squad and give their opinion on our best XI and their favourite aspects of Darren Moore's tactical set-up then I'll be concerned. If not, then their opinions are irrelevant, unwanted and pointless.

If Jokanovic is the leading target, as reported, then I'll trust in the board over some armchair Man United fan that votes on a sky sports poll.
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Post by: NathWBA on March 09, 2019, 09:58:12 PM
I’d be happy with Wagner or Jokanovic, I’d still consider Rowett, his spells at blues and derby were good, stoke was a disaster but they’ve hardly improved since he’s left so I’d think the issues went way beyond him.
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Post by: Barrington on March 09, 2019, 10:01:39 PM
He wouldn't be my absolute first choice (and I don't think he will be in the running), but I wouldn't at all be against a return for Tony Mowbray.
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Post by: caravanc58 on March 09, 2019, 10:02:44 PM
I’d be happy with Wagner or Jokanovic, I’d still consider Rowett, his spells at blues and derby were good, stoke was a disaster but they’ve hardly improved since he’s left so I’d think the issues went way beyond him.
Don't get the fondness for Rowett, yet to see any of his team's play exciting football, it was a notch above Pulisball from what I've see.
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Post by: bry on March 09, 2019, 10:06:58 PM
Out of the list of contenders it would be Wagner for me. I'd love Gary Monk but that's not realistic.
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Post by: seteefeet on March 09, 2019, 10:10:09 PM
If those 30000 people have watched every Albion match this season, can name our full 23+ man squad and give their opinion on our best XI and their favourite aspects of Darren Moore's tactical set-up then I'll be concerned. If not, then their opinions are irrelevant, unwanted and pointless.

If Jokanovic is the leading target, as reported, then I'll trust in the board over some armchair Man United fan that votes on a sky sports poll.
Do we know that about our rivals? Never stopped us using it as a stick to best Darren with.
Nevermind, let's just trust the same bunch who employed this "clueless" novice.
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Post by: mig on March 09, 2019, 10:13:36 PM
He wouldn't be my absolute first choice (and I don't think he will be in the running), but I wouldn't at all be against a return for Tony Mowbray.

I did think about Mowbray earlier but glad you're the one who brought him up! I agree that he won't be on the shortlist but given how Blackburn have fallen away he may well be interested were we to consider him.
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Post by: seteefeet on March 09, 2019, 10:17:33 PM
I did think about Mowbray earlier but glad you're the one who brought him up! I agree that he won't be on the shortlist but given how Blackburn have fallen away he may well be interested were we to consider him.
Let's sack a manager who's 4th and employ one who's mid table and on a worse run than us.
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Post by: Albionic on March 09, 2019, 10:18:18 PM
Slavan Bilic if we can get him !
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 09, 2019, 10:22:40 PM
Has to one of either Jokanovic or Wagner - the short term options are uninspiring to say the least
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Post by: addy on March 09, 2019, 10:24:50 PM
Feel it's already done with Jokanovic, didn't Luke Dowling work with him at Watford? He might have even had a say in his recruitment.
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Post by: Dan87uk on March 09, 2019, 10:29:57 PM
Current Bookies List (SkyBet)

Slavisa Jokanovic
5/2
Lee Johnson
3/1
Michael Appleton
5/1
David Wagner
7/1
Harry Redknapp
8/1
David Moyes
12/1
Derek McInnes
12/1
Nigel Pearson
12/1
Tony Mowbray
12/1
Sam Allardyce
14/1
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Post by: Standaman on March 09, 2019, 10:32:07 PM
Most of the names being trotted out are just plain depressing.

Provided it isn't one of the true dinosaurs or one of their clones like Rowett I probably don't care all that much. 
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 09, 2019, 10:37:16 PM
Past managers and on the righ hand side, what they achieved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_West_Bromwich_Albion_F.C._managers
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Post by: mig on March 09, 2019, 10:47:00 PM
Let's sack a manager who's 4th and employ one who's mid table and on a worse run than us.

No you're right, because all managers are working with the exact same financial resource and quality of player. Silly me for considering each job on its own merits, as well as broader factors such as playing style.
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Post by: Baggy nerd on March 09, 2019, 10:56:59 PM
Not sure Allardyce, Hughes or Moyes would consider a Championship position even though they are going to struggle to get anything better. We have not seemed interested in the likes of Appleton and McInnes in the past so Jokanovic and Wagner seem the most likely to me.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 09, 2019, 10:58:57 PM
If our heirachy have anything in them, they should already know who they prefer.
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 09, 2019, 11:03:22 PM
If our heirachy have anything in them, they should already know who they prefer.
if they don't they are more incompetent than those they sacked
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Post by: paulosull on March 09, 2019, 11:07:06 PM
I'd expect appointment on Monday, if not then Jenkins needs to be shown the door.
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Post by: barnestormer on March 09, 2019, 11:18:01 PM
If our heirachy have anything in them, they should already know who they prefer.
I reckon they do and an imminent appointment before the Swansea match
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Post by: theboywiththe arabstrap on March 09, 2019, 11:21:15 PM
Would be pleased with Jokanovic or McInnes for different reasons.

Whoever we appoint, I really hope we commit to a long-term (or at least medium-term) project, with a focus on attacking football and bringing through young talent.  Chasing temporary success and survival short-term by throwing money at obvious aging players my nan could have given a scouting report on was what got us in this mess in the first place IMO.

What I'd do to have Ashworth back.
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Post by: Cardiaccarol on March 09, 2019, 11:29:22 PM
I would hope that we will announce the next appointment on Monday. Anything else is appalling management by the board.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 09, 2019, 11:31:04 PM
I would hope that we will announce the next appointment on Monday. Anything else is appalling management by the board.
Sunday would be better
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Post by: KN22 on March 09, 2019, 11:48:53 PM
I hope and pray that it’s not Allardyce. This would be an absolute disaster in my view and would make a mockery of any ambition to rebuild the club in readiness for the long term future. Get the ex Fulham guy in.
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Post by: Standaman on March 09, 2019, 11:52:39 PM
Would be pleased with Jokanovic or McInnes for different reasons.

Whoever we appoint, I really hope we commit to a long-term (or at least medium-term) project, with a focus on attacking football and bringing through young talent.  Chasing temporary success and survival short-term by throwing money at obvious aging players my nan could have given a scouting report on was what got us in this mess in the first place IMO.

What I'd do to have Ashworth back.

Not prayer that this is a long term project we will make the same short term appointments based on the latest whim or perceived crisis. We will either get lucky or more likely slowly sink into deserved obscurity.
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Post by: Albionic on March 09, 2019, 11:55:59 PM
Before anyone thinks that I am joking, I can assure you that I am not,but I would not be surprised if we have not been in touch with Claudio Ranieri.
For the Chinese who have little knowledge of football his CV would look like gold dust !
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Post by: Dan87uk on March 10, 2019, 12:04:51 AM
Before anyone thinks that I am joking, I can assure you that I am not,but I would not be surprised if we have not been in touch with Claudio Ranieri.
For the Chinese who have little knowledge of football his CV would look like gold dust !

Why on earth would he leave Roma; who he's just signed up with; to come to us?

If our ownership genuinely tried that i'd suggest they check in to the nearest asylum
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Post by: paulosull on March 10, 2019, 12:15:09 AM
Probably be a coach who is out of work and has managed in chump that's septic peg for you :-*
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Post by: alex1 on March 10, 2019, 12:24:18 AM
Its vital the new manager;
a) plays attacking entertaining football, but also knows the strenghts/weaknesses of the  various players.

b) the players can relate to him and prepared to play for him.

I think alot of the better managers will be wary about our sacking record. i.e. we seem to have a fairly short term vision.
At this stage I'm more thinking about who i do NOT want. Top of that list Hughes, Moyes, Allerdyce. Too old school. We need somone with a more modern progressive vision.

Listening to some Everton supporters, Marco Silva may be looking for a job soon, but that would probably mean waiting for him.   
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Post by: Mister AT on March 10, 2019, 12:37:58 AM
Before anyone thinks that I am joking, I can assure you that I am not,but I would not be surprised if we have not been in touch with Claudio Ranieri.
For the Chinese who have little knowledge of football his CV would look like gold dust !

I’m assuming your not aware he became the Roma manager in the week?
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Post by: geoff on March 10, 2019, 12:43:50 AM
Ralf Rangnick is worth a looking at again he is doing a good job at RB Leipzig.
If not him then a young manager with a bit more experience. 
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Post by: OllieTheBaggie on March 10, 2019, 12:44:49 AM
How many of them have watched us play even once this season do you reckon?

Exactly, most of them just see a team in 4th place and think "That's decent, he seems a nice bloke. They're mad". They don't know the whole picture, how poor our footballs been recently and the relative strength of our squad within the division. We should be top 2, and the performances have been shocking recently. We would have missed play offs with Darren Moore in charge, I have little doubt about that
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Post by: alex1 on March 10, 2019, 01:04:42 AM
Ralf Rangnick is worth a looking at again he is doing a good job at RB Leipzig.
If not him then a young manager with a bit more experience.

I'd bite your arm off to get Rangnick, but somehow I doubt he'd swap challenging for a place in the Champions League with trying to make the Championship Play Offs.

Interesting though that his last team trainer at Leipzig is now manager at Southampton.
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 10, 2019, 02:59:38 AM
Not prayer that this is a long term project we will make the same short term appointments based on the latest whim or perceived crisis. We will either get lucky or more likely slowly sink into deserved obscurity.
I always look forward to your posts. They’re thought through, rarely knee-jerked based, and interesting to read. I’m hoping you’re a tad emotional now, and will have clearer thoughts come breakfast time. Hopefully obscurity isn’t still on the menu. Chin up! Interesting times ahead.  :D
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Post by: deejay on March 10, 2019, 05:32:28 AM
Derek McInnes for Me
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Post by: colinmax on March 10, 2019, 06:34:32 AM
I have no more definite knowledge than anyone else on this subject but Graham Potter might be worth considering.
He was suggested by some in the summer because of his record in Sweden?and he is an ex Albion player.
He made a slow start at Swansea but to be fair a lot of players were sold or went on loan but they have shown a noticeable improvement lately perhaps because his ideas have now been implanted.
On Friday they were unfortunate to lose at Norwich and could have won playing good football.
If I am right we should see evidence in Wednesday's match.Lets wait and see.
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Post by: wbarenno on March 10, 2019, 07:03:35 AM
If we want someone in by Wednesday which is what the express and star are saying then I really doubt it’s going to be anyone already in a job .

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Post by: tuamigos on March 10, 2019, 07:13:41 AM
Derek McInnes for Me

No.
Please no more sentimental appointments
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Post by: BB74 on March 10, 2019, 07:17:00 AM
Jokanovic is the best roll of the dice for me right now. If not Jokanovic then Allardyce.
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Post by: kie the baggie on March 10, 2019, 07:54:55 AM
Jankanovic or Lee Jonhson for me, been very impressed with bristol this season, play good football, and has built a good solid exciting young team
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on March 10, 2019, 07:59:13 AM
I don't see Bristol City releasing Johnson while they are still on for the playoffs.
As others have said I would expect an out of work manager to be named.
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Post by: wbarenno on March 10, 2019, 08:18:28 AM
It will 100% be someone out of work , what club is going to let their manager go at this stage of the season?
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 10, 2019, 08:22:04 AM
I reckon they do and an imminent appointment before the Swansea match

Preferring is one thing.  Landing them is another
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Post by: BB74 on March 10, 2019, 08:25:02 AM
It will 100% be someone out of work , what club is going to let their manager go at this stage of the season?

Celtic  ;D
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 10, 2019, 08:26:49 AM
It’s not the Albion way to pay compensation for a manager. So, imo, rule out anyone already in a job.

I also believe Jenkins trip to China last week was to discuss parting company with Darren and putting his replacement name forward, who I think is just waiting in the wings to be presented on Monday as the new head coach, I just hope it’s Jokanovic
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Post by: BB74 on March 10, 2019, 08:29:10 AM
Mark Hughes 22/1 and Aitor Karanka 20/1 are both worth a flutter IMO.
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Post by: Pie on March 10, 2019, 08:31:10 AM
Karanka would be a horrible appointment, back to Pulis football.

Only available option that makes sense is Jokanovic.
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 10, 2019, 08:38:29 AM
Harry's out of the jungle now isn't he? :-X
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 10, 2019, 08:41:15 AM
Harry's out of the jungle now isn't he? :-X

So are Dec and Holly, and I know who I would sooner have out of that trio  :D
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Post by: wbarenno on March 10, 2019, 08:51:36 AM
Wagner ruled himself out on sky sports news this morning , said he wants to wait till the summer to find a job
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Post by: Albion79 on March 10, 2019, 08:56:47 AM
Actions speak louder than words so anybody expecting an appointment with a view to building and developing a style, promoting youngsters, introducing more attractive football is going to be disappointed.

We have shown that isnt going to happen, its all about now, the premier league gravy train is the only place our owners want to be so all the above stuff goes out the window.

At the first sign of trouble we have acted and sacked a manager, from April 18 to March 19, Moore has been in charge for 10 months (not including preseason period) we have had one real bad period in that time and that was the last six weeks, until then despite how terrible we supposedly were we have been top 3 with a chance to go top as of two weeks ago.

Bristol City stuck with Johnson, Norwich stuck with Farke, they showed patience and Norwich certainly are reaping the benefits, we have shown that we are going for a different approach and will not be running our club that way so any manager coming in will have to know its hit the ground running and be aware they are under pressure and any bad period leads to the sack right away, that will put off a lot of decent managers, it will appeal to others because we are a nice cashpoint the way we get through managers nowadays.

We may as well say to a Mick McCarthy or Big Sam, get us up and there is a massive bonus for you at the end of the season, no point looking much longer term than that.
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Post by: Standaman on March 10, 2019, 09:12:38 AM
I always look forward to your posts. They’re thought through, rarely knee-jerked based, and interesting to read. I’m hoping you’re a tad emotional now, and will have clearer thoughts come breakfast time. Hopefully obscurity isn’t still on the menu. Chin up! Interesting times ahead.  :D

Just finished breakfast. Still raging. Specifically "long term project" is adding insult to injury since January 2014 we have had 5 permanent Head Coaches

Pepe Mel  17 games
Alan Irvine 22 games
Tony Pulis 121 games
Alan Pardew 21 games
Darren Moore 38 games

They last an average of roughly 40 games stripping out Pulis it is down to less than 30. The only thing that looks like a long term project was Pulis and frankly we are still recovering from it.

We keep firing Head Coaches and installing a new one often with a competely different style of play (or in Pardew's case no style of play) and after the initial bounce we regress and fire the coach. Brunt and Morrison will be on their 9th coach when we appoint the next poor sod. If either player extends their stay at the club they will probably get to double figures by the end of next season. The last one to resign was Hodgson. 

Moore was a long term project or at least should have been viewed as such. If you appoint a Head Coach who is inexperineced give him an almighty task to sort out and very little support (i.e. DOF not appointed until after the season started) then you have to take the rough with the smooth.

So who among the runners and riders is the next long term project?

Forget anyone who is in employment for this decision to have any logic someone has to appointed almost instantly.

Slaviša Jokanović has had almost as many clubs as we have had managers. He took Watford up but failed to agree a contract extention joined Tel Aviv that summer and was Fulham's manager by Christmas. His reign at Fulham had a constant soundtrack of discontent with him being reported on the verge of quitting on numerous occasions. This is not a long term project it is a quick fix until the next crisis or a better offer comes along. 

David Wagner sorry scratch him just seen that he has ruled himself out (smart guy)

Michael Appleton Yes in theory but won't be seen as good enough by the fans who will be 3 games away from them turning and he then becomes the next victim.

Hughes/Redknapp/Allaydyce/Moyes Saints preserve us best leave that lot on the pundits couch even if they could be lured to a Championship club.

There is no logic to this decision if there is it is purely to get a result across the next 10/12 games the one thing it isn't is a long term project.

Oh for those moaning about us not buying out the contract of managers currently in employment really what is the point? We are going to fire them probably before their contract at their old club expired anyway.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 10, 2019, 09:16:07 AM
Knowing The Albion, Shand will win on Wedneasday and land the job until the end of the season so that we can save 50p
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 10, 2019, 09:22:58 AM
Just finished breakfast. Still raging. Specifically "long term project" is adding insult to injury since January 2014 we have had 5 permanent Head Coaches

Pepe Mel  17 games
Alan Irvine 22 games
Tony Pulis 121 games
Alan Pardew 21 games
Darren Moore 38 games

They last an average of roughly 40 games stripping out Pulis it is down to less than 30. The only thing that looks like a long term project was Pulis and frankly we are still recovering from it.

We keep firing Head Coaches and installing a new one often with a competely different style of play (or in Pardew's case no style of play) and after the initial bounce we regress and fire the coach. Brunt and Morrison will be on their 9th coach when we appoint the next poor sod. If either player extends their stay at the club they will probably get to double figures by the end of next season. The last one to resign was Hodgson. 

Moore was a long term project or at least should have been viewed as such. If you appoint a Head Coach who is inexperineced give him an almighty task to sort out and very little support (i.e. DOF not appointed until after the season started) then you have to take the rough with the smooth.

So who among the runners and riders is the next long term project?

Forget anyone who is in employment for this decision to have any logic someone has to appointed almost instantly.

Slaviša Jokanović has had almost as many clubs as we have had managers. He took Watford up but failed to agree a contract extention joined Tel Aviv that summer and was Fulham's manager by Christmas. His reign at Fulham had a constant soundtrack of discontent with him being reported on the verge of quitting on numerous occasions. This is not a long term project it is a quick fix until the next crisis or a better offer comes along. 

David Wagner sorry scratch him just seen that he has ruled himself out (smart guy)

Michael Appleton Yes in theory but won't be seen as good enough by the fans who will be 3 games away from them turning and he then becomes the next victim.

Hughes/Redknapp/Allaydyce/Moyes Saints preserve us best leave that lot on the pundits couch even if they could be lured to a Championship club.

There is no logic to this decision if there is it is purely to get a result across the next 10/12 games the one thing it isn't is a long term project.

I agree with all of that except don’t discard Moyes - the best of the “experienced” bunch, with only a failure at Sunderland (a true basket case) on his CV.  Better managers than him have failed at United, and he did a good job at West Ham on a 6-month contract.   

Jokanovic may well be the number one choice, but are we sure that this squad can play his style of football?  I’m not sure that he’d get us up this season, and I’m not sure that he would get the required summer backing to oversee a rebuild.

There’s a lot to be said for appointing the right man to try to get us up this season from this position, give them a big bonus if they succeed, but with no
promise of a new contract even if they succeed. Then sit down in May and decide who is the best person to do the job that is then required.  If that means Moyse or Allardyce or McCarthy until May, then that may well be the most sensible appointment right now.


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Post by: hardtobeat on March 10, 2019, 09:35:18 AM
Unfortunately the long term project is just a romantic fictional utopia in journalist land., very very few managers outside of the Premier League get time to totally mould a team. I felt at the time , and nothing that I have seen or heard since has altered this, was that DM was the cheap option whilst being a sop to a pretty aggrieved fanbase. He may well have had the respect of the younger players but was as long time picking them. Tactically he was at best naive so who replaces him.?
   Ironic that the 2 most likely to gain promotion THIS season would be the most unpalatable to the majority of fans , namely Allardyce and Moyes, the romantics would probably take Jovanovich, the pragmatists Karanka. My preferred option would be Clarke but time and compo are the enemy so I would probably settle for Moyes in the short term and see where it takes us . Not the best of forward planning but in this day and age looking to far ahead is something for fairyland , sad but true !
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Post by: don1thedon on March 10, 2019, 09:43:12 AM
...
There is no logic to this decision if there is it is purely to get a result across the next 10/12 games the one thing it isn't is a long term project.
...
This is what it is all about for me!
There has been growing discontent with supporters & probably the board (& quite likely the players as well). The board are gambling on regaining some momentum to continue through to the play offs and a chance of promotion. They've rolled the dice.
I am gutted that Darren and his vision for the club has now gone - sincere thanks Big Fella!
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Post by: paulosull on March 10, 2019, 09:44:08 AM
Think it will be Moyes or Big Sam on short term deal, looks like owners are in panic mode which suggests they over stretched their finances. Big banks in China want their money back.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 10, 2019, 09:45:45 AM
Just have to say, with our owners seemingly reluctant to want to spend big money, why on earth would Allardyce or Moyes come to us?

I think Allardyce got promoted once about four years ago with West Ham and before that was about fifteen years ago with Bolton and i am not sure Moyes has ever got promotion from the championship? So neither are specialists in this league which seems to be criteria.

And why on earth would they stake their national reputations on a basket case club who are being portrayed in the media as a joke? They can both get far better jobs than West Brom.

They will only get a big pay day if they get promoted and as their experience suggests, the championship isnt their forte.
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 10, 2019, 09:47:50 AM
Unfortunately the long term project is just a romantic fictional utopia in journalist land., very very few managers outside of the Premier League get time to totally mould a team. I felt at the time , and nothing that I have seen or heard since has altered this, was that DM was the cheap option whilst being a sop to a pretty aggrieved fanbase. He may well have had the respect of the younger players but was as long time picking them. Tactically he was at best naive so who replaces him.?
   Ironic that the 2 most likely to gain promotion THIS season would be the most unpalatable to the majority of fans , namely Allardyce and Moyes, the romantics would probably take Jovanovich, the pragmatists Karanka. My preferred option would be Clarke but time and compo are the enemy so I would probably settle for Moyes in the short term and see where it takes us . Not the best of forward planning but in this day and age looking to far ahead is something for fairyland , sad but true !

The compo issue is an odd one.  The club will happily spunk £1m on wages for half a season for geriatrics like Mears and Hoolahan who we didn’t need, but will baulk at paying compo to a little club like Kilmarnock (if he was our preferred option).  The club is very shortsighted on these things.
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 10, 2019, 09:52:14 AM
Just have to say, with our owners seemingly reluctant to want to spend big money, why on earth would Allardyce or Moyes come to us?

I think Allardyce got promoted once about four years ago with West Ham and before that was about fifteen years ago with Bolton and i am not sure Moyes has ever got promotion from the championship? So neither are specialists in this league which seems to be criteria.

And why on earth would they stake their national reputations on a basket case club who are being portrayed in the media as a joke? They can both get far better jobs than West Brom.

They will only get a big pay day if they get promoted and as their experience suggests, the championship isnt their forte.

But if we only appoint someone who has successful experience of the Championship playoffs, then by definition we will be looking at managers who subsequently failed in the Premier League.

We need the best available coach to get the best of this squad to ensure we make the playoffs from the next 10 games, and then to prepare us to win a 2-leg semi final and then a cup final.  Nothing more, nothing less. Allardyce, Moyes, McCarthy, Pearson, Jokonovic all have their attributes for THAT role.  Then re-assess.
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Post by: hardtobeat on March 10, 2019, 09:57:01 AM
The compo issue is an odd one.  The club will happily spunk £1m on wages for half a season for geriatrics like Mears and Hoolahan who we didn’t need, but will baulk at paying compo to a little club like Kilmarnock (if he was our preferred option).  The club is very shortsighted on these things.
Totally agree but it is a barmy industry where the shop floor earns more than the management !!. With Clarke it isn't so much about the cash its more about the time we are bound to spend trying to haggle the compo down by 10 Bob or so that is the problem in my eyes as time is something we don't have
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Post by: BAGGIE5 on March 10, 2019, 10:08:35 AM
David Wagner is not interested in becoming the new West Brom manager, Sky sources understand.
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Post by: Atomic on March 10, 2019, 10:12:44 AM
David Wagner is not interested in becoming the new West Brom manager, Sky sources understand.


Good. He wouldn't have been my choice anyway.
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Post by: Standaman on March 10, 2019, 10:19:20 AM
Paying compensation to get a new manager is one of the dumbest things anyone can do in football particularly as you will almost certainly fire the coach before his contract has expired. Pay for them to come and then pay for them to go away can easily double cost of hiring them and you almost never end up with a better coach.

Regardless of this in our current position we don't have time to dance the dance. If we approach a club for their manager particularly a highly rated one that club is almost certain to rebuff the initial enquiry they have to otherwise they will be slaughtered by their own fans. It is only when it is very apparent the manager will walk anyway that they will do the deal.
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Post by: Adamstv on March 10, 2019, 10:48:12 AM
How many of them have watched us play even once this season do you reckon?

Well we have been on TV around 20 times this season so who knows
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Post by: frazzle on March 10, 2019, 10:48:46 AM
Just finished breakfast. Still raging. Specifically "long term project" is adding insult to injury since January 2014 we have had 5 permanent Head Coaches

Pepe Mel  17 games
Alan Irvine 22 games
Tony Pulis 121 games
Alan Pardew 21 games
Darren Moore 38 games

They last an average of roughly 40 games stripping out Pulis it is down to less than 30. The only thing that looks like a long term project was Pulis and frankly we are still recovering from it.

We keep firing Head Coaches and installing a new one often with a competely different style of play (or in Pardew's case no style of play) and after the initial bounce we regress and fire the coach. Brunt and Morrison will be on their 9th coach when we appoint the next poor sod. If either player extends their stay at the club they will probably get to double figures by the end of next season. The last one to resign was Hodgson. 

Moore was a long term project or at least should have been viewed as such. If you appoint a Head Coach who is inexperineced give him an almighty task to sort out and very little support (i.e. DOF not appointed until after the season started) then you have to take the rough with the smooth.

So who among the runners and riders is the next long term project?

Forget anyone who is in employment for this decision to have any logic someone has to appointed almost instantly.

Slaviša Jokanović has had almost as many clubs as we have had managers. He took Watford up but failed to agree a contract extention joined Tel Aviv that summer and was Fulham's manager by Christmas. His reign at Fulham had a constant soundtrack of discontent with him being reported on the verge of quitting on numerous occasions. This is not a long term project it is a quick fix until the next crisis or a better offer comes along. 

David Wagner sorry scratch him just seen that he has ruled himself out (smart guy)

Michael Appleton Yes in theory but won't be seen as good enough by the fans who will be 3 games away from them turning and he then becomes the next victim.

Hughes/Redknapp/Allaydyce/Moyes Saints preserve us best leave that lot on the pundits couch even if they could be lured to a Championship club.

There is no logic to this decision if there is it is purely to get a result across the next 10/12 games the one thing it isn't is a long term project.

Oh for those moaning about us not buying out the contract of managers currently in employment really what is the point? We are going to fire them probably before their contract at their old club expired anyway.

Can’t argue with any of that. We are well and truly in the mire now.
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Post by: frazzle on March 10, 2019, 10:51:01 AM
The more I think about it the more I think Clarke could be the best option. He recently voiced discontent with the sectarianism up here and is proven. His teams are organised and play decent enough football.
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Post by: Atomic on March 10, 2019, 10:55:54 AM
I've seen it all now. Someone on Facebook wants Lee Hughes.  ::)
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Post by: NathWBA on March 10, 2019, 10:57:35 AM
I've seen it all now. Someone on Facebook wants Lee Hughes.  ::)
can only imagine that’s someone on a massive wind up, probably a dingle. He more I think about it the more Jokanovic appeals.
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Post by: Albionic on March 10, 2019, 10:58:49 AM
Why on earth would he leave Roma; who he's just signed up with; to come to us?

If our ownership genuinely tried that i'd suggest they check in to the nearest asylum
Wasn’t aware that he had joined Roma, put a line through that then
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Post by: mr multivac on March 10, 2019, 11:01:18 AM
What we need is some one to bring the same kind of reaction from the team and fans
That OGS has at manure
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Post by: Mister AT on March 10, 2019, 11:07:58 AM
What we need is some one to bring the same kind of reaction from the team and fans
That OGS has at manure

If only there was a club legend that everyone associated with the club respected.  ::)
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Post by: NathWBA on March 10, 2019, 11:08:49 AM
If only there was a club legend that everyone associated with the club respected.  ::)
and was tactically aware and a decent manager too.
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Post by: 17GD on March 10, 2019, 11:40:21 AM
and was tactically aware and a decent manager too.

And had a squad of players worth £600m...
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 10, 2019, 11:43:37 AM
Can’t argue with any of that. We are well and truly in the mire now.

Give Appleton 3 games and he’s the next victim???

No mate he’s not even good enough to manage a lower championship club never mind us. If I remember right he was in charge and we were 3-0 up against West Hamand drew.

 Nothing to do with fans turning on any manager. Any with any sense will know that someone like Appleton is not good enough. End of.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on March 10, 2019, 11:49:58 AM
Would be pleased with Jokanovic or McInnes for different reasons.

Whoever we appoint, I really hope we commit to a long-term (or at least medium-term) project, with a focus on attacking football and bringing through young talent.  Chasing temporary success and survival short-term by throwing money at obvious aging players my nan could have given a scouting report on was what got us in this mess in the first place IMO.

What I'd do to have Ashworth back.
Please be careful with off the cuff remarks
Your Nan is now 4/1 2nd favourite to take over
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Post by: zippyandbungle on March 10, 2019, 11:51:16 AM

Good. He wouldn't have been my choice anyway.
He stated you as his reason 😀
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Post by: Atomic on March 10, 2019, 11:52:30 AM
He stated you as his reason 😀


 ;D He's a wise man.
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Post by: Pureade1 on March 10, 2019, 11:56:53 AM
If we bring in Appleton then we might as well have stuck with Big Dave as Appleton only has a slight amount of experience at this level and no track record of promotion to speak of, not to mention no premier league experience. Jokanovic would be the choice for me.

Either way you have to hope the club has someone lined up.
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Post by: loucanova on March 10, 2019, 11:57:35 AM
I feel ashamed of our club this morning, Moore has been treated disgustingly and all the club has managed to do so far with this decision is to divide our fan base(again). Who would want to take this job now other than some journeyman. Darren Moore was not perfect but overal since he took charge he has done a lot more good than harm. Truth is this squad isn’t nearly as good as a lot of fans think it is and our board and particularly our bloody useless owner who is so detached from the club and fans, need to take a good hard and long look at themselves because they must shoulder a lot of the blame. I wish Lai would sell up(that’s if anyone else would want to buy us) and piss off.
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Post by: BB74 on March 10, 2019, 11:59:47 AM
can only imagine that’s someone on a massive wind up, probably a dingle. He more I think about it the more Jokanovic appeals.

I doubt it. He is held in higher esteem than Pope Francis by some of our fans.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on March 10, 2019, 12:01:31 PM
I feel ashamed of our club this morning, Moore has been treated disgustingly and all the club has managed to do so far with this decision is to divide our fan base(again). Who would want to take this job now other than some journeyman. Darren Moore was not perfect but overal since he took charge he has done a lot more good than harm. Truth is this squad isn’t nearly as good as a lot of fans think it is and our board and particularly our bloody useless owner who is so detached from the club and fans, need to take a good hard and long look at themselves because they must shoulder a lot of the blame. I wish Lai would sell up(that’s if anyone else would want to buy us) and piss off.
I feel ashamed of posts like this, but it's all about opinions
You say the squad isn't that great
Holgate/Gibbs best wing backs in the league for me
Gayle , if played correctly
Rodriguez subject of 20m bid
Etc etc....most other clubs would have swapped their squads for ours on day 1

I have no idea why people think they are experts at business and wish the chairmen to leave , why don't you make him an offer...?
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Post by: timdon on March 10, 2019, 12:03:41 PM
Shocking I thought. Yeah, bad run of form, but without Barnes and Phillips and Gibbs we haven't got much class really, so not surprising we are struggling a bit. I thought we might have given him some time to reshape the squad in the summer and build up some experience as a manager with a view to long term stability, but no. I seriously dread to think who we will appoint. Am fearing the worst. Whoever it is, I would be willing to bet that he will not have got the same number of points after the same number of games that DM has achieved,
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 10, 2019, 12:06:15 PM
I feel ashamed of posts like this, but it's all about opinions
You say the squad isn't that great
Holgate/Gibbs best wing backs in the league for me
Gayle , if played correctly
Rodriguez subject of 20m bid
Etc etc....most other clubs would have swapped their squads for ours on day 1

I have no idea why people think they are experts at business and wish the chairmen to leave , why don't you make him an offer...?

Exactly.

Annoys me when people say it’s not they strong.

Hang on, a back four of Holgate, Dawson, Hegazi and Gibbs is one of the best in the league and before anybody says how many goals we’ve let in that’s because of Moore and jones insisting on us playing tippy tappy football out from the back.

Midfielders like Phillips Barry are two of the best in the league. Even Livermore is a top 6 championship player and great prospects like field and harper.

And then Gayle and Rodriguez is the best strike pair in the league.

With that all in consideration, no, 4th isn’t good enough so it don’t matter if DM wears Albion pants every day. Means nothing.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 10, 2019, 12:06:29 PM
With jokanovic, its worth the first few months of last season Fulham were awful, they remained patient and stuck with the coach and got promoted in the end.

As our boards actions and some of our fans expectations show, you dont get allowed a run of bad form at albion, you are deemed not good enough.

Those saying about steve clarke, his son said this morning a section of albion fans hounded him out despite the season before finishing 8th, he said so why on earth did we want him back?

He also said some albion fans had a sense of entitlement, that is sadly how we are perceived by others within football too judging by the reaction (not just fans) and its hard to argue when you sack a manager 4th in the league who until a couple of weeks ago was in the running for the top 2 and had been all season and hasnt been given a chance to turn round a bad run of form.
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Post by: frazzle on March 10, 2019, 12:07:00 PM
Give Appleton 3 games and he’s the next victim???

No mate he’s not even good enough to manage a lower championship club never mind us. If I remember right he was in charge and we were 3-0 up against West Hamand drew.

 Nothing to do with fans turning on any manager. Any with any sense will know that someone like Appleton is not good enough. End of.

What are you talking about? Where have I ever suggested that Appleton would be a good choice?
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Post by: kanu on March 10, 2019, 12:08:47 PM
Big Dave will always be a club legend and leaves with his head held high and reputation intact. Can’t argue with the timing though, we could well have slipped out the top 6 if he’d stayed and then the crowd could have turned on him. He’s not cut out for the no.1 job, I doubt he actually wanted it but took it because he was asked. It has to be Jokanovic, hopefully he’ll be announced later today or tomorrow.
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Post by: Atomic on March 10, 2019, 12:10:03 PM
Big Dave will always be a club legend and leaves with his head held high and reputation intact. Can’t argue with the timing though, we could well have slipped out the top 6 if he’d stayed and then the crowd could have turned on him. He’s not cut out for the no.1 job, I doubt he actually wanted it but took it because he was asked. It has to be Jokanovic, hopefully he’ll be announced later today or tomorrow.


Yep, that wouldn't have been nice.
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Post by: bangkokbaggie on March 10, 2019, 12:19:55 PM
With jokanovic, its worth the first few months of last season Fulham were awful, they remained patient and stuck with the coach and got promoted in the end.

As our boards actions and some of our fans expectations show, you dont get allowed a run of bad form at albion, you are deemed not good enough.

Those saying about steve clarke, his son said this morning a section of albion fans hounded him out despite the season before finishing 8th, he said so why on earth did we want him back?

He also said some albion fans had a sense of entitlement, that is sadly how we are perceived by others within football too judging by the reaction (not just fans) and its hard to argue when you sack a manager 4th in the league who until a couple of weeks ago was in the running for the top 2 and had been all season and hasnt been given a chance to turn round a bad run of form.

Some will argue that the poor run of form (not results) has extended for several months and what is the evidence that he could turn it around.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 10, 2019, 12:21:05 PM
We have been top 3 or 4 all season, how can that be months of poor form?!
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 10, 2019, 12:21:38 PM
No to moyes, he bores me to death
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Post by: timdon on March 10, 2019, 12:24:57 PM
I feel ashamed of posts like this, but it's all about opinions
You say the squad isn't that great
Holgate/Gibbs best wing backs in the league for me
Gayle , if played correctly
Rodriguez subject of 20m bid
Etc etc....most other clubs would have swapped their squads for ours on day 1

I have no idea why people think they are experts at business and wish the chairmen to leave , why don't you make him an offer...?
When was this then? I must have missed it.
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Post by: baggie82 on March 10, 2019, 12:26:56 PM
We have been top 3 or 4 all season, how can that be months of poor form?!

We've not won a home game in 2019 and we've got on of the biggest wage bills in the whole division. Performances have been shocking lately. I wasn't expecting or calling for DM to be sacked but I understand it. I think the main problem is we have players who the board consider to be premier league quality such as Livermore and Rodriquez who actually are very average and overpaid. Plenty of dead wood in our squad.
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Post by: bangkokbaggie on March 10, 2019, 12:27:14 PM
We have been top 3 or 4 all season, how can that be months of poor form?!

OK if you want to be pedantic on the use of vocabulary then poor performances then! 
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Post by: Albion79 on March 10, 2019, 12:50:13 PM
We also have the best away record in the country over the same period i believe?

Of course home form and performances has been poor but the away form has been the best in the country prior to the leeds game, You get the same points whether its home or away, the form and performances cant of been too bad as we are also the 2nd highest goalscorers in the league.

Think we were 2nd or 3rd going into february with the odd point seperating the teams, of course we have had a bad month but like say i assume any manager now will be judged on the same basis, you have a bad month, your sacked.
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Post by: frazzle on March 10, 2019, 12:56:25 PM
We also have the best away record in the country over the same period i believe?

Of course home form and performances has been poor but the away form has been the best in the country prior to the leeds game, You get the same points whether its home or away, the form and performances cant of been too bad as we are also the 2nd highest goalscorers in the league.

Think we were 2nd or 3rd going into february with the odd point seperating the teams, of course we have had a bad month but like say i assume any manager now will be judged on the same basis, you have a bad month, your sacked.

Unless you are Pulis in which case many on this forum will argue you need at least three transfer windows and a couple of summers before he can be judged.

For Moore many wrote him off within a couple of games. I truly hope he takes what he has learned and comes back really strongly.

We, on the other hand, have totally stuffed this up. I hope to be proved wrong but I now expect us to stumble along with short term appointment after short term appointment.

This will also damage the ability to bring our youth as the next manager won’t be given the time to blood the younger players.

Dark times ahead but I’m desperately hoping to be proved wrong.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 10, 2019, 01:09:30 PM
I feel ashamed of posts like this, but it's all about opinions
You say the squad isn't that great
Holgate/Gibbs best wing backs in the league for me
Gayle , if played correctly
Rodriguez subject of 20m bid
Etc etc....most other clubs would have swapped their squads for ours on day 1

I have no idea why people think they are experts at business and wish the chairmen to leave , why don't you make him an offer...?

100% bang on. We should be pi55ing this League. If it wasn't for horrible tactics and an obvious drop off in the standard of defensive coaching, we would be. Moore earned his shot, no doubt, but ultimately he was the wrong appointment and if it wasn't for his status with the club, all of the deluded people who think he was doing a good job would have been questioning his position a long time ago.
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Post by: theboywiththe arabstrap on March 10, 2019, 01:22:51 PM
Please be careful with off the cuff remarks
Your Nan is now 4/1 2nd favourite to take over

 :D :D

I reckon Vera might actually do a better job than a couple of recent ex managers here.
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Post by: Mister AT on March 10, 2019, 01:48:17 PM
I just have a feeling it will be Moyes.
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Post by: Throstletown on March 10, 2019, 01:48:45 PM
The problem in all honesty is the friends and family side of our playing staff, all season we have lost the centre mid battles  and with the players we have the new manager cant put pace and skill or new engines in them so for me, if the board think they are going to get a bounce they are deluded.
Yesterday being out played by a relegation teams midfield was embarrssing but the players again had no heart and who ever is next needs to clear this club of a smell in the dressing room that has been here for years.

Young, positive and a no nonsense individual who is the boss and the players buy in or get out.
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Post by: Atomic on March 10, 2019, 01:51:19 PM
The problem in all honesty is the friends and family side of our playing staff, all season we have lost the centre mid battles  and with the players we have the new manager cant put pace and skill or new engines in them so for me, if the board think they are going to get a bounce they are deluded.
Yesterday being out played by a relegation teams midfield was embarrssing but the players again had no heart and who ever is next needs to clear this club of a smell in the dressing room that has been here for years.

Young, positive and a no nonsense individual who is the boss and the players buy in or get out.


We were outplayed by their midfield because they had four and at times five in there while we had two.
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Post by: Throstletown on March 10, 2019, 02:12:47 PM
That's because they played as a team, were individuals at the moment who cant adapt or dig in for each other.
Lambert was orchestrating his players and even being bottom they had a go we watched each other flounder.   
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Post by: baggiemart on March 10, 2019, 02:37:18 PM
To me it makes no difference who is manager , the players are just not good enough.

How a manager can turn the players performance against Ipswich into promotion hopefuls is something no manager can do.

The sacking of Darren Moore could also have a detrimental effect on the team. If the players think he was dealt with too harshly they could just go on to the pitch not put the effort in and just look to leave at the end of the season.

Promotion this season is still far away for us with these players.  The only good thing about getting a new manager in now is that he can see what players he wants to keep next season and then start rebuilding his team for next season when we could give this league a good go.
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Post by: Atomic on March 10, 2019, 02:47:32 PM
To me it makes no difference who is manager , the players are just not good enough.

How a manager can turn the players performance against Ipswich into promotion hopefuls is something no manager can do.

The sacking of Darren Moore could also have a detrimental effect on the team. If the players think he was dealt with too harshly they could just go on to the pitch not put the effort in and just look to leave at the end of the season.

Promotion this season is still far away for us with these players.  The only good thing about getting a new manager in now is that he can see what players he wants to keep next season and then start rebuilding his team for next season when we could give this league a good go.


I'd argue the opposite that maybe he'd lost the players. There seemed a number of discontented players out there yesterday to me not to mention confused at what they were being asked to do. Jay Rodriguez I looked at at one point and he just looked well and truly inebriated off.

I wouldn't be surprised if there has been more going on behind the scenes than we realise, certainly since we came back from Dubai.

Last season we went to Spain, nicked a taxi and everything went even worse than it was before, this year we go away again and a few weeks later everything falls apart again.

Next season stay in bloody Sandwell.
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Post by: miggybaggy on March 10, 2019, 02:53:37 PM
To me it makes no difference who is manager , the players are just not good enough.

How a manager can turn the players performance against Ipswich into promotion hopefuls is something no manager can do.

The sacking of Darren Moore could also have a detrimental effect on the team. If the players think he was dealt with too harshly they could just go on to the pitch not put the effort in and just look to leave at the end of the season.

Promotion this season is still far away for us with these players.  The only good thing about getting a new manager in now is that he can see what players he wants to keep next season and then start rebuilding his team for next season when we could give this league a good go.

Spot on. The Pulis legacy just goes on and on. Fed up to the back teeth of reading how we have the best squad....no we don't, they're all bang average at best. And our midfield is the slowest I've ever seen. We're only where we are in the league now because of Harvey Barnes.

Whoever the next manager is will be in for a very tough time if anyone seriously expects promotion with this squad. I think we need to be realistic and re-build from a new base,,,,it could take a few seasons though.
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Post by: wba_1996 on March 10, 2019, 02:55:15 PM
To me it makes no difference who is manager , the players are just not good enough.

How a manager can turn the players performance against Ipswich into promotion hopefuls is something no manager can do.

The sacking of Darren Moore could also have a detrimental effect on the team. If the players think he was dealt with too harshly they could just go on to the pitch not put the effort in and just look to leave at the end of the season.

Promotion this season is still far away for us with these players.  The only good thing about getting a new manager in now is that he can see what players he wants to keep next season and then start rebuilding his team for next season when we could give this league a good go.

Nonsense. Our players are not good enough to outperform a diabolical Ipswich side? That result and performance yesterday would not have been acceptable for any other team in the league, regardless of their squad, Ipswich are marooned at the bottom and have all but given up.

Simple fact is, ignoring the poor results, performances have been poor all season and we were getting outplayed virtually every match. Moore showed no signs of being able to get any sort of consistency from the team, most of our results in 2019 have been fortunate ones. As long as we bring in a competent head coach I think they will find a new system that is much more suited to this group of players.
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on March 10, 2019, 04:17:37 PM
I agree that we have been lucky this season. Played poorly in a lot of games and then we were rescued by individual genius and skill e.g. Barnes, Phillips, Gayle.

Name 5 games we have been on top for the majority of the game? Rotherham (a), villa(a) - anymore? Even QPR at home we were shocking first half.

We have been sussed in terms of tactics and didn't have a back up plan. We needed to buy a big striker in the window to hold the ball up and give us a plan B for us to get Gayle playing off a big man.

For me it is the ex Fulham manager Jokanovic (sp). Plays football, tactically did well, got teams up for the big games. Moyes, Sam or Harry would be a backward step and would rather we had kept big Dave in that case.
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 10, 2019, 04:18:10 PM
Just finished breakfast. Still raging. Specifically "long term project" is adding insult to injury since January 2014 we have had 5 permanent Head Coaches

Pepe Mel  17 games
Alan Irvine 22 games
Tony Pulis 121 games
Alan Pardew 21 games
Darren Moore 38 games

They last an average of roughly 40 games stripping out Pulis it is down to less than 30. The only thing that looks like a long term project was Pulis and frankly we are still recovering from it.

We keep firing Head Coaches and installing a new one often with a competely different style of play (or in Pardew's case no style of play) and after the initial bounce we regress and fire the coach. Brunt and Morrison will be on their 9th coach when we appoint the next poor sod. If either player extends their stay at the club they will probably get to double figures by the end of next season. The last one to resign was Hodgson. 

Moore was a long term project or at least should have been viewed as such. If you appoint a Head Coach who is inexperineced give him an almighty task to sort out and very little support (i.e. DOF not appointed until after the season started) then you have to take the rough with the smooth.

So who among the runners and riders is the next long term project?

Forget anyone who is in employment for this decision to have any logic someone has to appointed almost instantly.

Slaviša Jokanović has had almost as many clubs as we have had managers. He took Watford up but failed to agree a contract extention joined Tel Aviv that summer and was Fulham's manager by Christmas. His reign at Fulham had a constant soundtrack of discontent with him being reported on the verge of quitting on numerous occasions. This is not a long term project it is a quick fix until the next crisis or a better offer comes along. 

David Wagner sorry scratch him just seen that he has ruled himself out (smart guy)

Michael Appleton Yes in theory but won't be seen as good enough by the fans who will be 3 games away from them turning and he then becomes the next victim.

Hughes/Redknapp/Allaydyce/Moyes Saints preserve us best leave that lot on the pundits couch even if they could be lured to a Championship club.

There is no logic to this decision if there is it is purely to get a result across the next 10/12 games the one thing it isn't is a long term project.

Oh for those moaning about us not buying out the contract of managers currently in employment really what is the point? We are going to fire them probably before their contract at their old club expired anyway.

There was an interesting theory, making the rounds in local media yesterday, before DM's dismissal was announced.

Allegedly, if we did get promoted this season, & came straight back down, we would get a parachute payment of £100 million.
Probably enough to pay for a rebuilding job?
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Post by: gerry m on March 10, 2019, 04:22:18 PM
There was an interesting theory, making the rounds in local media yesterday, before DM's dismissal was announced.

Allegedly, if we did get promoted this season, & came straight back down, we would get a parachute payment of £100 million.
Probably enough to pay for a rebuilding job?

Just out of interest what was our payment for finishing bottom and what was our parachute payment?.
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Post by: Standaman on March 10, 2019, 04:47:40 PM
There was an interesting theory, making the rounds in local media yesterday, before DM's dismissal was announced.

Allegedly, if we did get promoted this season, & came straight back down, we would get a parachute payment of £100 million.
Probably enough to pay for a rebuilding job?

The current payment across 3 years is £93m so that makes sense. From a purely financial perspective this works brilliantly. Clean out some of the worst excesses from last season's bloated wage bill get promoted (£100m income) with a much reduced wage bill even if relegated (50% flexdown clauses) we would be in a healthier financial position than today and maybe with a better and younger squad.

That is a brilliant plan but let's face it our club isn't thinking beyond the end of next week to credit them with a plan across 2 seasons is a bit of a stretch, desperate to get back on the gravey train and that is the extent of it. 
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Post by: Albertbaggie on March 10, 2019, 05:04:28 PM
100% bang on. We should be pi55ing this League. If it wasn't for horrible tactics and an obvious drop off in the standard of defensive coaching, we would be. Moore earned his shot, no doubt, but ultimately he was the wrong appointment and if it wasn't for his status with the club, all of the deluded people who think he was doing a good job would have been questioning his position a long time ago.
Decent starting XI  but I'd argue, when a few injuries, a poor squad as yesterday showed. The back four yesterday was not a top half Championship back-line
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Post by: The Joust on March 10, 2019, 06:11:00 PM
It’s not the Albion way to pay compensation for a manager. So, imo, rule out anyone already in a job.

I also believe Jenkins trip to China last week was to discuss parting company with Darren and putting his replacement name forward, who I think is just waiting in the wings to be presented on Monday as the new head coach, I just hope it’s Jokanovic

This, this and this
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Post by: baggie steve on March 10, 2019, 06:21:10 PM
This next appointment needs to be the right one this time , someone to build on what Big Dave attempted to do. Which ever division were in it will need another overhaul of playing staff.
I hope it's not a run of the mill , Hughes Moyes etc.

Jokanovic could be the answer with his playing style
Pearson could add some discipline
An outside candidate could be Mark Robins , I think he will be managing at a much higher level than Coventry soon enough.

I don't have much faith Jenkins will get it right , but hope he proves me wrong
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 10, 2019, 06:42:10 PM
A  number of click bait sites promoting Derek Mcinnes as our next Head Coach, a player whom I admired greatly when he was our captain. But, I hope we have learnt our lesson on such appointments after recent times, events and experiences.

Jokanovic for me
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 10, 2019, 06:47:44 PM
Decent starting XI  but I'd argue, when a few injuries, a poor squad as yesterday showed. The back four yesterday was not a top half Championship back-line

It was a back 3......and that is where the problem was. Play a back 4 and we win the game. Ipswich are as bad as it gets.
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Post by: gerry m on March 10, 2019, 06:54:24 PM
Might be wrong but prehaps someone with strong discipline as DM was probably a bit too pally with the players. Jovanovic  or Wagner for me.
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Post by: we8seals on March 10, 2019, 07:17:38 PM
100% bang on. We should be pi55ing this League. If it wasn't for horrible tactics and an obvious drop off in the standard of defensive coaching, we would be. Moore earned his shot, no doubt, but ultimately he was the wrong appointment and if it wasn't for his status with the club, all of the deluded people who think he was doing a good job would have been questioning his position a long time ago.

This nonsense about the best squad in the league does my head in. We are a squad of bang average championship players in the main. Not one of our midfielders would get in ahead of - grealish McGinn and Hourahan or into the first 11 at Sheffield I Norwich or Leeds. Our back four - first choice - is decent and Gayle and Jarod potentially a good partnership. But that in no way adds up to a strong squad - 3 of the four new additions in January would not get in my pub team
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Post by: seteefeet on March 10, 2019, 07:19:47 PM
Jenkins and Lai know nothing about football so style of play won't come into it. It will be a Pardewesque "name". Just need to hope they fluke it and Lai is not a fan of "I'm a celebrity"
Disillusioned with all things Albion today. We have proved that it is all about chasing the Premier League money and that will reflect in the next appointment. Sincerely hope I'm wrong but expect a dinosaur.
Wagner already ruled himself out for those suggesting him. Unfortunately Allardyce, Moyes, Hughes or King Harry haven't.
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Post by: baggiemart on March 10, 2019, 07:20:32 PM
It might be a good idea to get a temporary manager for the next 10 games. pay them a big bonus if we get promoted.

Then at the end of the season get the best manager in the championship,  Gary Monk.

With the financial restrictions at blues together with the possible points deduction and the terrible scenes at the local derby match today, he might be ready to move on.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 10, 2019, 07:22:04 PM
This nonsense about the best squad in the league does my head in. We are a squad of bang average championship players in the main. Not one of our midfielders would get in ahead of - grealish McGinn and Hourahan or into the first 11 at Sheffield I Norwich or Leeds. Our back four - first choice - is decent and Gayle and Jarod potentially a good partnership. But that in no way adds up to a strong squad - 3 of the four new additions in January would not get in my pub team

It shouldn't do your head in as it's true. We have mainly Premier League quality players, hence why they will go to Premier league clubs if we don't go up this season.
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Post by: Aztech on March 10, 2019, 07:22:17 PM
This nonsense about the best squad in the league does my head in. We are a squad of bang average championship players in the main. Not one of our midfielders would get in ahead of - grealish McGinn and Hourahan or into the first 11 at Sheffield I Norwich or Leeds. Our back four - first choice - is decent and Gayle and Jarod potentially a good partnership. But that in no way adds up to a strong squad - 3 of the four new additions in January would not get in my pub team

You must have the best pub team ever
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Post by: frazzle on March 10, 2019, 07:34:44 PM
It shouldn't do your head in as it's true. We have mainly Premier League quality players, hence why they will go to Premier league clubs if we don't go up this season.

No it’s not true. Most of our premier league players are passed it or just not good enough as they proved last season. Our best players left last season, and I doubt there will be much interest in the current squad. So in essence, what I’m saying is that you are wrong.
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Post by: johnnyg on March 10, 2019, 07:39:25 PM
We've tried the tippy tappy - it didn't work.
We've tried playing out from the back - it hasn't worked.
We've tried playing 3-5-2, 4-3-3, 4-2-4, its arguable none of them have worked consistently.

Do you know what I think we need for the last 10 games ?  Get back to basics, tighten up at the back, start playing a no-nonsense 4-4-2 or preferably a 4-3-2-1.  These last 10 games are like a league within a league, so to speak.  We need someone who is cut out for this... someone who has been there and done it before in this scenario...   i totally understand that he wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea right now, but considering all of the above points I made, I would contend that Sir Gary Megson is an ideal guy to bring in on a short-term contract til the end of the season.  I honestly believe he would get us up.
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Post by: bangkokbaggie on March 10, 2019, 07:39:39 PM
To me it makes no difference who is manager , the players are just not good enough.

How a manager can turn the players performance against Ipswich into promotion hopefuls is something no manager can do.

The sacking of Darren Moore could also have a detrimental effect on the team. If the players think he was dealt with too harshly they could just go on to the pitch not put the effort in and just look to leave at the end of the season.

Promotion this season is still far away for us with these players.  The only good thing about getting a new manager in now is that he can see what players he wants to keep next season and then start rebuilding his team for next season when we could give this league a good go.

Yes that is the concern I have too, it's not just the questionable tactics of DM.

The club has held onto or signed players either no longer good enough or not fully committed. The hierarchy will live to regret its short-term mindset and I fear that we will not see a genuine rebuilding attempt due to this mindset and an owner clearly wanting his money back.
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 10, 2019, 07:41:55 PM
No it’s not true. Most of our premier league players are passed it or just not good enough as they proved last season. Our best players left last season, and I doubt there will be much interest in the current squad. So in essence, what I’m saying is that you are wrong.

No, they didn’t prove last season that they weren’t Premier League players. All that was proven last year was the team/squad wasn’t good enough to stay up. It doesn’t mean that none of the players were individually good enough.

Gibbs, Hegazi, Dawson, Rodriguez and Phillips would all find a bottom 8 Premier League club tomorrow, even if just squad players. Not sure that Livermore would based on this season’s performances.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 10, 2019, 07:42:00 PM
No it’s not true. Most of our premier league players are passed it or just not good enough as they proved last season. Our best players left last season, and I doubt there will be much interest in the current squad. So in essence, what I’m saying is that you are wrong.

You can say I'm wrong all you like, that don't change the fact that a big portion of our current squad WILL end up at Premier League clubs if we don't go up, so in essence, what I am saying is that you are wrong. Scoring goals has not been an issue, poor defensive tactics is the reason we are not currently up there with the top 3. othing to do with the quality of the squad, more to do with a lack of quality management. Bielsa would have us clear at the top by someway.
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Post by: timdon on March 10, 2019, 07:55:56 PM
You can say I'm wrong all you like, that don't change the fact that a big portion of our current squad WILL end up at Premier League clubs if we don't go up, so in essence, what I am saying is that you are wrong. Scoring goals has not been an issue, poor defensive tactics is the reason we are not currently up there with the top 3. othing to do with the quality of the squad, more to do with a lack of quality management. Bielsa would have us clear at the top by someway.
Putting it in capital letters doesn't make it a fact. It's your opinion but one that lacks any evidence to back it up. If we had so many players of Premiership quality, how come we didn't get any bids for them last summer, apart from Burnley bidding for Dawson and Rodriguez. And how come we had no bids at all in January? You are way over rating our squad.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 10, 2019, 08:02:29 PM
Putting it in capital letters doesn't make it a fact. It's your opinion but one that lacks any evidence to back it up. If we had so many players of Premiership quality, how come we didn't get any bids for them last summer, apart from Burnley bidding for Dawson and Rodriguez. And how come we had no bids at all in January? You are way over rating our squad.

You are right, putting it in capital letters doesn't make it fact. The prior interest/bids from Premier League clubs and level of ability that each one of the players I'm referring to possesses DOES MAKE IT FACT  ;)

Oh and the fact that some of them actually ARE Premier league players already.
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 10, 2019, 08:07:01 PM
John Percy has just posted that we are in talks with Jokanovic, with Alex Neil and David Wagner also in the frame (although Wagner ruled himself for this season), and Carvalhal has also made it known that he’s interested
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Post by: Oldbury24 on March 10, 2019, 08:11:28 PM
It shouldn't do your head in as it's true. We have mainly Premier League quality players, hence why they will go to Premier league clubs if we don't go up this season.

Have you actually watched our PL quality players this year? Gibbs...feels like he fits unto the category but in hindsight his form is patchy often flatters to deceive and suspect in the air, Dawson....don't make me arff a good old fasioned lower league defender but not PL, Hegazi...like him but no turn of pace, Livermore.....looks lmited even at this level....reputation over ability, Jrod has often been good but sometimes utter S***e, a busted flush in the PL, Barry is 38 and runs backward through treacle, Phillips has the potential to be a top player but his injury record is turning him into a liability and is the ultimate confidence player.  Have I missed any of our elite squad?

Playing in the PL does not make you a PL player, getting PL wages does not make you a PL player.   Technical ability, pace, consistency and a strong will to win makes you a PL player....not in abundance amongst that lot.  On multiple occasions this season they have been out run and out played.  SOME OF BDs tactics may have been suspect but he was not managing a team of elite footballers.....far from.
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Post by: BalisPen on March 10, 2019, 08:28:55 PM
Anyone who thinks a squad comprising of Bartley, mears, hoolahan, mozza and brunt and some kids, who all wish were good enough, but are nowhere near a good kid like HB, is the best squad in the this division is simply wrong.

It is not even the best championship squad in the Midlands as imo both vile and Stoke have better squads.

Our bench is laughable and no one can come on and change a game as Leko proved yesterday against the worst team in the league.

Jenkins, I suspect is on a bonus too to go up and fearing that has acted.

It's strange how the pr team of the detestable swain releases the £10m bonus for going up last week in preparation for the sacking this week.

It makes the club look good, as the message is sent we can't do more than we have and here £10m to prove it.

When in reality we are left to scour the free market for the aforementioned squad fillers.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 10, 2019, 08:38:43 PM
Have you actually watched our PL quality players this year? Gibbs...feels like he fits unto the category but in hindsight his form is patchy often flatters to deceive and suspect in the air, Dawson....don't make me arff a good old fasioned lower league defender but not PL, Hegazi...like him but no turn of pace, Livermore.....looks lmited even at this level....reputation over ability, Jrod has often been good but sometimes utter S***e, a busted flush in the PL, Barry is 38 and runs backward through treacle, Phillips has the potential to be a top player but his injury record is turning him into a liability and is the ultimate confidence player.  Have I missed any of our elite squad?

Playing in the PL does not make you a PL player, getting PL wages does not make you a PL player.   Technical ability, pace, consistency and a strong will to win makes you a PL player....not in abundance amongst that lot.  On multiple occasions this season they have been out run and out played.  SOME OF BDs tactics may have been suspect but he was not managing a team of elite footballers.....far from.

Yes, I've watched every single game. Including all those games when we have smashed teams because of our superior player quality, rather than genius tactics.
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Post by: Adder on March 10, 2019, 08:39:49 PM
John Percy has just posted that we are in talks with Jokanovic, with Alex Neil and David Wagner also in the frame (although Wagner ruled himself for this season), and Carvalhal has also made it known that he’s interested
Could certainly be a more worrying list, hope it's Jokanovic personally. Saying that I'm not sure that any of them class as a quick fix manager, except Carvalhal maybe, which may be a good thing.

Whatever happens re promotion we'll be entering a period where hopefully a lot of planning for different scenarios next season should be taking place. Knowing who your a manager is going to be going forward should be a very important part of that process.
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Post by: seteefeet on March 10, 2019, 08:41:48 PM
If squad quality is purely about having Premier experience them Stoke have the best squad surely. Berahino, McLean and Fletcher have bags of it, perhaps we should have kept them.
Our squad is best in name alone. Moore made mistakes throughout the season but to absolve the players of any blame is more "clueless" than anything he did.
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Post by: wba_1996 on March 10, 2019, 08:48:15 PM
Anyone who thinks a squad comprising of Bartley, mears, hoolahan, mozza and brunt and some kids, who all wish were good enough, but are nowhere near a good kid like HB, is the best squad in the this division is simply wrong.

It is not even the best championship squad in the Midlands as imo both vile and Stoke have better squads.

Our bench is laughable and no one can come on and change a game as Leko proved yesterday against the worst team in the league.

Jenkins, I suspect is on a bonus too to go up and fearing that has acted.

It's strange how the pr team of the detestable swain releases the £10m bonus for going up last week in preparation for the sacking this week.

It makes the club look good, as the message is sent we can't do more than we have and here £10m to prove it.

When in reality we are left to scour the free market for the aforementioned squad fillers.

Such a poor argument. You picked our worst players who barely play and wouldn't make the bench with a fully fit squad to show why we haven't got the best squad in the league? Doubt Norwich and Leeds' 4th/5th choice players are markedly better than Brunt, Bartley, Mozza or Hoolahan.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 10, 2019, 08:48:37 PM
If squad quality is purely about having Premier experience them Stoke have the best squad surely. Berahino, McLean and Fletcher have bags of it, perhaps we should have kept them.
Our squad is best in name alone. Moore made mistakes throughout the season but to absolve the players of any blame is more "clueless" than anything he did.

The team has failed collectively, but lets not forget the good things the team has done. We have scored lots of goals and are only a bit of defensive organisation away from topping this league. Our failures have been defensively and for me that has been largely down to the system and coaching. McLean struggled to get in our team, Fletcher is past his sell by date and Berahino well the less said about him, the better.
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Post by: timdon on March 10, 2019, 09:02:01 PM
You are right, putting it in capital letters doesn't make it fact. The prior interest/bids from Premier League clubs and level of ability that each one of the players I'm referring to possesses DOES MAKE IT FACT  ;)

Oh and the fact that some of them actually ARE Premier league players already.
I'll ask again. What interest/bids were these then?
Some of them ARE premier league players? Some of them WERE, but they weren't good enough and we got relegated.
You are just making statements without backing them up with any evidence whatsoever
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 10, 2019, 09:03:21 PM
West Brom to continue talks with  Slavisa Jokanovic as former Fulham manager heads four-man shortlist

Please let it be Jokanovic. An article from the reliable John Percy

Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/10/west-brom-continue-talks-slavisa-jokanovic-former-fulham-manager/
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Post by: smosher34 on March 10, 2019, 09:14:12 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he is in place Monday. They know we can't mess about with only 10 games left.
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Post by: frazzle on March 10, 2019, 09:14:31 PM
You are right, putting it in capital letters doesn't make it fact. The prior interest/bids from Premier League clubs and level of ability that each one of the players I'm referring to possesses DOES MAKE IT FACT  ;)

Oh and the fact that some of them actually ARE Premier league players already.

You make me laugh.
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Post by: BalisPen on March 10, 2019, 09:18:25 PM
Such a poor argument. You picked our worst players who barely play and wouldn't make the bench with a fully fit squad to show why we haven't got the best squad in the league? Doubt Norwich and Leeds' 4th/5th choice players are markedly better than Brunt, Bartley, Mozza or Hoolahan.

Yeah, I apologise it is a brilliant squad made up of other team's players and young kids interspersed with some in their late 30's who frequent the medical facilities more than the training pitches.

We should be top just because we in the prem last season and kept players who proved in the 6-7 games that I they performed when they wanted to not when their fans demanded and deserved it..

An absolute brilliant squad which is so great nobody bids for any of our players (because the best ones aren't ours).

We should have sewn up promotion by Xmas.
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Post by: lindenbaggie on March 10, 2019, 09:22:18 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he is in place Monday. They know we can't mess about with only 10 games left.

Yes, this week to evaluate and hopefully pick up some points.  and the next two weeks break to prepare for the final push. A difficult time for whoever comes in.
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Post by: BalisPen on March 10, 2019, 09:39:42 PM
I used to be a big fan SJ, but how he allowed over £100m to be wasted unproven prem players like £35m on Serri, worries me significantly.

He is definitely not a quick fix as it took him a few seasons ar Fulham to go up.

We need to revamp the recruitment process and adopt the money ball approach of brentford mixed with something akin to the knowledge of the young German coaches like Wagner and Farke who clearly have a tremendous database of European players who can do job in England.

There seem to be 2 clear different successful approaches which championship clubs have adopted recently and that is the German one or the Agent one.

One gets you pukki for free the other gets you a £52m loss as all agent ensures he gets paid.

Let's hope we are smart and follow the sensible approach and implement a sustainable long term recruitment system.
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Post by: wba_1996 on March 10, 2019, 09:42:18 PM
Yeah, I apologise it is a brilliant squad made up of other team's players and young kids interspersed with some in their late 30's who frequent the medical facilities more than the training pitches.

We should be top just because we in the prem last season and kept players who proved in the 6-7 games that I they performed when they wanted to not when their fans demanded and deserved it..

An absolute brilliant squad which is so great nobody bids for any of our players (because the best ones aren't ours).

We should have sewn up promotion by Xmas.

Have a quick look through each Championship squad on transfermarkt or wikipedia and make your own mind up, they are nowhere near as strong as even a bog standard Prem side. Nobody bid for Pukki, Sharp or Pablo Hernandez in January either, again your argument is flawed.
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Post by: BalisPen on March 10, 2019, 09:56:40 PM
I have said it is a brilliant squad and obviously doff my hat to the extensive football knowledge of transfermarket and Wikipedia over my own eyes and lifetime of supporting the Albion.

An absolute brilliant squad whose mistakes have turned winning positions against the like of boro and Brighton into defeats.

Constant stupid mistakes are always a hallmark of a great squad.
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Post by: Dan on March 10, 2019, 10:37:00 PM
Jokanovic took a while to get going with Fulham, although does get the team playing good football when he does. Wouldn't be expecting instant improvement with him but I'd be fairly confident about next season.
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 10, 2019, 10:38:22 PM
I used to be a big fan SJ, but how he allowed over £100m to be wasted unproven prem players like £35m on Serri, worries me significantly.

He is definitely not a quick fix as it took him a few seasons ar Fulham to go up.

We need to revamp the recruitment process and adopt the money ball approach of brentford mixed with something akin to the knowledge of the young German coaches like Wagner and Farke who clearly have a tremendous database of European players who can do job in England.

There seem to be 2 clear different successful approaches which championship clubs have adopted recently and that is the German one or the Agent one.

One gets you pukki for free the other gets you a £52m loss as all agent ensures he gets paid.

Let's hope we are smart and follow the sensible approach and implement a sustainable long term recruitment system.

SJ took over at Watford in October 2014 and they got promoted that season - it wasn’t
even “his” squad. He took over at Fulham in December 2015 and they finished 11 points above relegation - again not “his” squad. The following season they reached the playoffs, and the following season they got promoted.

I’d say that his Championship record is pretty outstanding.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on March 10, 2019, 10:39:56 PM
I used to be a big fan SJ, but how he allowed over £100m to be wasted unproven prem players like £35m on Serri, worries me significantly.

He is definitely not a quick fix as it took him a few seasons ar Fulham to go up.


We need to revamp the recruitment process and adopt the money ball approach of brentford mixed with something akin to the knowledge of the young German coaches like Wagner and Farke who clearly have a tremendous database of European players who can do job in England.

There seem to be 2 clear different successful approaches which championship clubs have adopted recently and that is the German one or the Agent one.

One gets you pukki for free the other gets you a £52m loss as all agent ensures he gets paid.

Let's hope we are smart and follow the sensible approach and implement a sustainable long term recruitment system.

The recruitment at Fulham was shocking but not all down to Jokanovic, there was a spell where a friend of the owners son was responsible for it all and it seems many signings were not approved by Jokanovic and he was having to put them in a team somehow.

He only joined in December 2015, kept them up that year, got them in the play offs in first full season and promoted second season so not a bad job at all.
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Post by: Plastic Paddy on March 10, 2019, 10:54:59 PM
West Brom to continue talks with  Slavisa Jokanovic as former Fulham manager heads four-man shortlist

Please let it be Jokanovic. An article from the reliable John Percy

Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/10/west-brom-continue-talks-slavisa-jokanovic-former-fulham-manager/

Jokanovic would also be my first choice however I am unsure if we have the players to fit the way he likes to play. His most successful seasons were when he had a focal point in Attack (Deeney at Watford and Mitrovic at Fulham).
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Post by: Mister AT on March 10, 2019, 11:03:36 PM
Jokanovic would also be my first choice however I am unsure if we have the players to fit the way he likes to play. His most successful seasons were when he had a focal point in Attack (Deeney at Watford and Mitrovic at Fulham).

WEVE GOT KANNNUUUUUU  :D

I’m hoping the new Guy is in place to watch his team play against Swansea.
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Post by: Adder on March 10, 2019, 11:04:11 PM
Jokanovic would also be my first choice however I am unsure if we have the players to fit the way he likes to play. His most successful seasons were when he had a focal point in Attack (Deeney at Watford and Mitrovic at Fulham).
We also haven't got a midfielder capable of consistently pulling the strings as Cairney did for them last season - back to the point of recruitment which will be happening promotion or not, and the DoF and the manager hopefully being on the same wavelength. 
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 10, 2019, 11:14:02 PM
Of the names mentioned I only want Jokanovic. I then want the incumbent to never pick Jake Livermore, Kyle Bartley or Jay Rodriguez ever again. At a push you could add Johnstone to this also. We badly need to move away from below average triers.
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 10, 2019, 11:27:58 PM
Of the names mentioned I only want Jokanovic. I then want the incumbent to never pick Jake Livermore, Kyle Bartley or Jay Rodriguez ever again. At a push you could add Johnstone to this also. We badly need to move away from below average triers.

Harsh on J-Rod and Johnstone (although I’d still look to sell both and upgrade in the summer). Totally agree re Livermore and Bartley!
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Post by: BalisPen on March 10, 2019, 11:40:41 PM
The recruitment at Fulham was shocking but not all down to Jokanovic, there was a spell where a friend of the owners son was responsible for it all and it seems many signings were not approved by Jokanovic and he was having to put them in a team somehow.

He only joined in December 2015, kept them up that year, got them in the play offs in first full season and promoted second season so not a bad job at all.

I did not say he did a bad job, and I have liked him for a while and said I wanted him when Pulis went.

But, it does concern me that he didn't have the balls to put his foot down and say I need a replacement for Tim ream not a Jean serri and the fact he walked out on Watford after promotion because his contract was not right rather than test himself in the prem with team he got promoted.

I think some are reading to much into the link between him and LD as the family that own Watford (pozzo I think) own udinese and Grenada and loaned most of the players to Watford so they went up as they obviously see the prem as the golden goose that must be protected after buying the hornets for a reported £500k.

So many loans that the EFL brought in a new rule restricting the number of loans

The jury is truly out on LD as in my eyes he hasn't brought in any unknown players from abroad or the lower leagues to improve us using his knowledge and contacts.

We went for tried and tested short term loans.

Hopefully, LD will prove himself in due course but the fact Watford not forest fought to keep him does not inspire me with confidence.


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Post by: Standaman on March 10, 2019, 11:54:37 PM
It is looking increasingly like it is going to Jokanovic.

Looking at what he did at Fulham tactically he used a 4-3-3 and played some of the best football that the Championship has seen.

However it is an absolute world away from where we are at the moment.

In attack Jokanovic's 4-3-3  featured two wide players Sessegnon left and Piazon right with Mitrovic as the target man. The very obvious issues here are our complete lack of a traget man and other than HRK we don't have a left footed wide player.

The good news is that he has a third of his first choice midfield in Johansen but what he doesn't have is the  mobility of McDonald and Cairney

Defensively he was blessed with Ream and Kalas the latter being one of the best ball playing centre backs playing outside a top division. At full back he had Targett and Fredericks who both are attack minded particularly Fredericks. Hence the importance of a mobile Central Midfield combination.

He might of orchastrated the side to perfection but it was a very well balanced squad.

Regardless of who we appoint they will have the same challenges Moore had and I won't expect better outcomes. We might make the  play offs and we might get promoted or as likely not. However the real challenge starts next season with a long overdue rebuild how the new Head Coach moulds that future is what will matter.What happens between now and the end of the season unless it is a complete and utter disaster is almost a free hit.   
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Post by: chipperclark on March 11, 2019, 04:45:10 AM
 ;D Whats Meggo doing??? :D
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Post by: BoingFlyer on March 11, 2019, 07:19:07 AM
Unless the club announces his replacement before Wednesday, it makes an even bigger mockery of the decision to sack Moore.
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Post by: Adder on March 11, 2019, 08:20:01 AM
While on the face of it our squad has major limitations, a new manager coming in like Jokanovic might just look at 4 or 5 of the younger players and say right this lad looks the best bet for the type of player I want in that position. Granted it doesn't sound like a fast-track to promotion this season and agree that overall our squad needs major attention.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 11, 2019, 08:50:25 AM
Has to be Jokanovic from the names mentioned - otherwise we may as well kept Darren Moore.

It's a no from me, to Carvalhal & Neil
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 11, 2019, 08:52:25 AM
Has to be Jokanovic from the names mentioned - otherwise we may as well kept Darren Moore.

It's a no from me, to Carvalhal & Neil

Agreed. Jokanovic has proven pedigree at getting teams promoted from Championship. Something we probably should have considered back in the summer when making our decision then !
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 11, 2019, 08:53:11 AM
I have little or no faith in us appointing the right man.

I want Jokanovic but can see it being Rowett knowing our lot.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 11, 2019, 08:59:03 AM
Mcinnis for me but a little concerned some Aberdeen supporters would welcome his departure. get it right albion and i might want to come back after 2 years
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Post by: kc56wba on March 11, 2019, 09:07:49 AM
Mcinnis for me but a little concerned some Aberdeen supporters would welcome his departure. get it right albion and i might want to come back after 2 years

What is it with the love in with ex - Albion players, lets get someone in with no previous conections with the club.
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Post by: baggie38 on March 11, 2019, 09:09:17 AM
Mcinnis for me but a little concerned some Aberdeen supporters would welcome his departure. get it right albion and i might want to come back after 2 years

What makes people want McInnis so much? Is it simply the fact that he is a former player of ours? That turned out well for big Dave didn't it? Alot of people who are based in Scotland who watch SPL football week in week out suggest that he has one of the best players in the league and doesn't know how or where to use him. By all accounts he hasn't got this glowing reputation with Aberdeen fans anymore either.
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 11, 2019, 09:10:21 AM
Massive no to McInnes.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 11, 2019, 09:12:34 AM
Jokanovic is the standout candidate and the only name I'd be happy with out of the current contenders. McInnis or Appleton is a massive no from me. We need proven, not untested.
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Post by: 17GD on March 11, 2019, 09:15:46 AM
Just read that we're interested in Alex Neil who is currently at Preston.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 11, 2019, 09:21:23 AM
Just read that we're interested in Alex Neil who is currently at Preston.

Hopefully just paper talk.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on March 11, 2019, 09:33:41 AM
Our board have made appalling decisions for the last decade, overall. I've no faith in them getting it right this time.

They needed to commit to Darren or not appoint him at all, the man is on a learning curve and they should have either stuck to their guns or not gone with it in the first place.

We could have been contenders after that 5-5 with United in 2013. We should have gone all out for Lukaku and shown ambition. Clarke never really got the chance to build on what RH had achieved and since then it has been NO AMBITION all the way.

I love our club but it stinks to high hell at the roots.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 11, 2019, 09:39:54 AM
Our board have made appalling decisions for the last decade, overall. I've no faith in them getting it right this time.

They needed to commit to Darren or not appoint him at all, the man is on a learning curve and they should have either stuck to their guns or not gone with it in the first place.

We could have been contenders after that 5-5 with United in 2013. We should have gone all out for Lukaku and shown ambition. Clarke never really got the chance to build on what RH had achieved and since then it has been NO AMBITION all the way.

I love our club but it stinks to high hell at the roots.


Clarke had the easiest job of all our recent managers inheriting Roy;s team, but he still managed to fluff it. While our recruitment has gone down hill as of late, Clarke was responsible for his own downfall.
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Post by: miggybaggy on March 11, 2019, 09:47:42 AM
I hope whoever we appoint will have the balls to face up to the board and spell out in no uncertain terms that this club needs a complete re-build whether we go up or not. This ownership needs to hear some harsh truths unless they want to spend the next decade outside the premiership....like so many other clubs with our heritage and tradition.

There's a lot of arrogance around our club at present....and we ain't very good lads.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 11, 2019, 09:52:01 AM
I hope whoever we appoint will have the balls to face up to the board and spell out in no uncertain terms that this club needs a complete re-build whether we go up or not. This ownership needs to hear some harsh truths unless they want to spend the next decade outside the premiership....like so many other clubs with our heritage and tradition.

There's a lot of arrogance around our club at present....and we ain't very good lads.

I hope the prospective also asks/demands what support and backing he will get from the owner and board
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Post by: phbaggies on March 11, 2019, 09:52:20 AM
Hopefully just paper talk.
John Percy mentioned him as 'one of four' .....
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Post by: bradleysrocket on March 11, 2019, 10:00:26 AM
He’s manager of Leuven in Belgium
sacked in February.
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Post by: Baggy nerd on March 11, 2019, 10:02:22 AM
I would knock Wagner and Neil off Percy's list. Wagner doesn't appear interested and Neil is in work. That leaves Jokanovic and Carvalhal. I would add Moyes as a third possibility.
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Post by: timdon on March 11, 2019, 10:05:46 AM

Clarke had the easiest job of all our recent managers inheriting Roy;s team, but he still managed to fluff it. While our recruitment has gone down hill as of late, Clarke was responsible for his own downfall.
That was over 5 years ago and it was his first manager's post. Does it not occur to you that he may have learned a lot and improved a lot since that time. Actually, this could be said about several comments about other candidates too where they are being judged on things that happened years ago when they were new to the job. I'm not advocating any of these people necessarily, but some people do improve with experience.
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Post by: seteefeet on March 11, 2019, 10:07:30 AM
The fact that it appears we have no-one lined up makes the decision all the more baffling. I just don't get what the new guy's remit will be.
It can't be automatic because that is too unrealistic
It can't be consolidation in the play off places because that was odds on anyway.
Can only be win the play offs or else, which is just ridiculous and will surely make any candidate think twice.

I would be interested to hear what those who think we have the best squad in the division would consider the minimum requirement of the new manager.
After all, if this is true and our failures are purely down to Moore and Jones' tactical ineptitude, then he should be able to fix it immediately. So what would be an acceptable points haul from the likely 9 games in charge?
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Post by: boinging_along on March 11, 2019, 10:18:46 AM
I'm not sure we have THE best squad in the division but it's up there with the top 2 or 3.  Surely there's no arguing with that? Like it or not, the playing out from the back, the way we set up and the tactical approach has cost us this season.  It's simply not working.

A minimum requirement would be play offs and an improvement in how we approach games.  I don't mean winning them but making them, I'm not 100% sure if Moore would have managed that, maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't but I don't think there's much doubt whoever we play would have turned us over.

Part of the problem we have had is playing a system that doesn't suit the players.  Of course any issues won't be fixed immediately, nobody expects that but, unless you're telling me that Moore was getting the maximum from this squad then there's room for improvement.

Ipswich was no one off, we've played like that more often than not this season, unless that's the level of this squad then the management have to take some responsibility.  Or do you think that being outplayed by bottom club Ipswich is actually our level?
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 11, 2019, 10:19:16 AM
That was over 5 years ago and it was his first manager's post. Does it not occur to you that he may have learned a lot and improved a lot since that time. Actually, this could be said about several comments about other candidates too where they are being judged on things that happened years ago when they were new to the job. I'm not advocating any of these people necessarily, but some people do improve with experience.

No has he has been plying his trade at a much lower level in Scotland. He's found his level in my opinion. I'd rather have Pulis back than Clarke by a country mile.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: hardtobeat on March 11, 2019, 10:29:40 AM

Clarke had the easiest job of all our recent managers inheriting Roy;s team, but he still managed to fluff it. While our recruitment has gone down hill as of late, Clarke was responsible for his own downfall.
Disagreed entirely on many counts. Following a success is often the hardest job e.g Man Utd ! Also think he was led to believe Lukaku was going to return and planning was geared around that when as per the board dawdled Clarke was left in a bad place , still would have kept us up given the chance and then may well have gone on to improve us had he been given the same backing in the transfer market as the be capped one . Since Roy's departure Clarke was the one we sacked way to soon !
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 11, 2019, 10:29:58 AM
I did not say he did a bad job, and I have liked him for a while and said I wanted him when Pulis went.

But, it does concern me that he didn't have the balls to put his foot down and say I need a replacement for Tim ream not a Jean serri and the fact he walked out on Watford after promotion because his contract was not right rather than test himself in the prem with team he got promoted.

I think some are reading to much into the link between him and LD as the family that own Watford (pozzo I think) own udinese and Grenada and loaned most of the players to Watford so they went up as they obviously see the prem as the golden goose that must be protected after buying the hornets for a reported £500k.

So many loans that the EFL brought in a new rule restricting the number of loans

The jury is truly out on LD as in my eyes he hasn't brought in any unknown players from abroad or the lower leagues to improve us using his knowledge and contacts.

We went for tried and tested short term loans.

Hopefully, LD will prove himself in due course but the fact Watford not forest fought to keep him does not inspire me with confidence.

I wanted Jokanovic before Moore got the job to be honest but he was never going to leave Fulham for us in their position.

Can't blame him for leaving Watford if hes not happy with the deal offered, we don't know if any promises were made but not kept so hard for us to give views one way or the other. As for Fulham a friend of the owners son was getting involved in signings at one time using the moneyball system which seemed to cause problems that were never solved but if Jokanivic does come in and gets the best out of Johansen it might be a good thing all round.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: NJS on March 11, 2019, 10:30:39 AM
Secretly taped from board meeting WBA 07/03/2019 - conducted by long-distance phone conferencing.

"  OK what's the cheapest option?"

"Well sir there's a few ex-players that would do it for love - almost.  you know Appleton, McInnes, Matt Carbon .."

"No we've gone down that route we wouldn't get away with it again"

" OK what's the next cheapest option?"

"Well your eastern magnificence, there's Alex Neil"

"No we would have to buy him out - that's a waste of money up front.  Whose next cheapest and out of a job?"

"Well you on whose #### [redacted] the sun would not dare to set, that leaves Carvalho."

"I don't know.  He's continental and therefore has expensive tastes and is not sufficiently malleable.  Ok try and get him on  contract until the end of the season and stay on your knees in front of me"

"But your mighty and exemplary excellency, why were we talking to Jokanovic?"

To pick up tips on how to manage a footballing side you idiot dog!"

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 11, 2019, 10:32:27 AM
I'm not sure we have THE best squad in the division but it's up there with the top 2 or 3.  Surely there's no arguing with that? Like it or not, the playing out from the back, the way we set up and the tactical approach has cost us this season.  It's simply not working.

A minimum requirement would be play offs and an improvement in how we approach games.  I don't mean winning them but making them, I'm not 100% sure if Moore would have managed that, maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't but I don't think there's much doubt whoever we play would have turned us over.

Part of the problem we have had is playing a system that doesn't suit the players.  Of course any issues won't be fixed immediately, nobody expects that but, unless you're telling me that Moore was getting the maximum from this squad then there's room for improvement.

Ipswich was no one off, we've played like that more often than not this season, unless that's the level of this squad then the management have to take some responsibility.  Or do you think that being outplayed by bottom club Ipswich is actually our level?
So the requirement is an improvement in style, not points?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: geoff on March 11, 2019, 10:40:21 AM
The problem in our squad is to many old legs in the midfield they cant play two games week in week out,
running out of steam & lack of goals is what got us relegated, if we only played once every 7 days i would say yes best squad in this league.
The new manager not only has to keep us in a play off position (hopefully get us promoted to) but replace 6/7 players in our squad who we need let go at the end of the season (should have gone at the end of last season) & injection much needed pace & strength in our midfield.
Who ever our new manager will need £ & time to build a new team, lets hope we all give him that time.
ralf rangnick is that man for me.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Pie on March 11, 2019, 10:48:38 AM
The problem in our squad is to many old legs in the midfield they cant play two games week in week out,
running out of steam & lack of goals is what got us relegated, if we only played once every 7 days i would say yes best squad in this league.
The new manager not only has to keep us in a play off position (hopefully get us promoted to) but replace 6/7 players in our squad who we need let go at the end of the season (should have gone at the end of last season) & injection much needed pace & strength in our midfield.
Who ever our new manager will need £ & time to build a new team, lets hope we all give him that time.
ralf rangnick is that man for me.

Rangnick is manager of RB Leipzig who are THIRD in the Bundesliga.

Enough said.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on March 11, 2019, 10:53:24 AM
The problem in our squad is to many old legs in the midfield they cant play two games week in week out,
running out of steam & lack of goals is what got us relegated, if we only played once every 7 days i would say yes best squad in this league.
The new manager not only has to keep us in a play off position (hopefully get us promoted to) but replace 6/7 players in our squad who we need let go at the end of the season (should have gone at the end of last season) & injection much needed pace & strength in our midfield.
Who ever our new manager will need £ & time to build a new team, lets hope we all give him that time.
ralf rangnick is that man for me.
I remember quite a few people saying exactly this when DM was appointed. You are of course right, but it's not got a snowflakes chance of happening. At the first sign of a slump, around half of the people on this board will be baying for his head.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 11, 2019, 10:54:45 AM
The problem in our squad is to many old legs in the midfield they cant play two games week in week out,
running out of steam & lack of goals is what got us relegated, if we only played once every 7 days i would say yes best squad in this league.
The new manager not only has to keep us in a play off position (hopefully get us promoted to) but replace 6/7 players in our squad who we need let go at the end of the season (should have gone at the end of last season) & injection much needed pace & strength in our midfield.
Who ever our new manager will need £ & time to build a new team, lets hope we all give him that time.
ralf rangnick is that man for me.

At the end of the season we will lose 6 the loanees.
Hoolahan and Mears hopefully through the door.
Barry to retire (maybe)
Brunty and Mozza could go
J Rod/Dawson/Hegazi/Gibbs will want away if we don't get promoted and maybe even if we do.
Harper not yet signed a new deal.
That's potentially 16 players.
No way on earth will we replace those with any sort of quality that would allow us to be remotely competetive in the Championship let alone the Premier League.
The man who comes in will need to be good enough to get money from the board and generate money from player sales.
He will need to be strong enough and good enough to dictate to the board what he will need to do the job required and to get them to provide the tools for the job.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: miggybaggy on March 11, 2019, 11:03:14 AM
At the end of the season we will lose 6 the loanees.
Hoolahan and Mears hopefully through the door.
Barry to retire (maybe)
Brunty and Mozza could go
J Rod/Dawson/Hegazi/Gibbs will want away if we don't get promoted and maybe even if we do.
Harper not yet signed a new deal.
That's potentially 16 players.
No way on earth will we replace those with any sort of quality that would allow us to be remotely competetive in the Championship let alone the Premier League.
The man who comes in will need to be good enough to get money from the board and generate money from player sales.
He will need to be strong enough and good enough to dictate to the board what he will need to do the job required and to get them to provide the tools for the job.

Completely agree. We've been sleep-walking into this situation for two/three seasons now...but will Mr Lai understand any of this?

A very very tough job for somebody.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 11, 2019, 11:07:53 AM
Completely agree. We've been sleep-walking into this situation for two/three seasons now...but will Mr Lai understand any of this?

A very very tough job for somebody.
No, he'll just keep sacking managers.
It's one thing to give a manager a remit of automatic promotion, but if you don't give him the tools to achieve it, he is doomed to fail.

If Lai is adamant that promotion is the ultimate goal then he has to put his money where his mouth is otherwise he will have a very long wait.

I asked earlier in the thread. What is the new manager's remit?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on March 11, 2019, 11:10:55 AM
At the end of the season we will lose 6 the loanees.
Hoolahan and Mears hopefully through the door.
Barry to retire (maybe)
Brunty and Mozza could go
J Rod/Dawson/Hegazi/Gibbs will want away if we don't get promoted and maybe even if we do.
Harper not yet signed a new deal.
That's potentially 16 players.
No way on earth will we replace those with any sort of quality that would allow us to be remotely competetive in the Championship let alone the Premier League.
The man who comes in will need to be good enough to get money from the board and generate money from player sales.
He will need to be strong enough and good enough to dictate to the board what he will need to do the job required and to get them to provide the tools for the job.
You're quite right. The other ingredient the new guy will need is time, something we as supporters and the club itself seem completely unwilling to give somebody. Big Dave changed the style of football, got us scoring goals again, improved morale, and started to bring through some home grown youngsters, but as soon as the going gets a bit tough he gets sacked. He was given less than a year starting from a very low point. Look at some of the other managers now succeeding at other clubs who have started moderately but have been given 2-3 years to build up a squad and get them playing well together. Since Big Ron in the late 70's, we have had over 30 managers, and only 1 (Gary Megson) has been given 3 years in the job.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 11, 2019, 11:13:37 AM
No, he'll just keep sacking managers.
It's one thing to give a manager a remit of automatic promotion, but if you don't give him the tools to achieve it, he is doomed to fail.

If Lai is adamant that promotion is the ultimate goal then he has to put his money where his mouth is otherwise he will have a very long wait.

I asked earlier in the thread. What is the new manager's remit?

We have the tools, they just haven't been utilised properly. This is evidenced in our 1st matches against Leeds, Sheff Utd and Norwich this season.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albion79 on March 11, 2019, 11:16:23 AM
https://t.co/zutb67k6kz

Not sure if i have managed to do this right (i am rubbish at links)

Think our board and some of our fans need to read what he says.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: geoff on March 11, 2019, 11:23:46 AM
Rangnick is manager of RB Leipzig who are THIRD in the Bundesliga.

Enough said.
THIRD in the Bundesliga.
1st is Bayem
2nd is Dortmund
who have much bigger war chests.
https://www.google.com/search?q=RB+Leipzig&oq=RB+Leipzig&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60j69i61j0l3.8429j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#sie=t;/m/065zf3p;2;/m/037169;st;fp;1;;

Take 5 minutes & tell me you don't like what you hear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Csig7_fqw


The Bundesliga
is a professional association football league in Germany and the football league with the highest average stadium attendance worldwide. At the top of the German football league system, the Bundesliga is Germany's primary football competition. Wikipedia
Current champion: FC Bayern Munich (27th title)
Most championships: Bayern Munich (27 titles)
Most appearances: Karl-Heinz Körbel (602)
Number of teams: 18
Did you know: The Bundesliga ranks seventh among domestic professional sports leagues in the world by total attendance (13,661,796). wikipedia.org

Before we signed Irvin has our new manager Ralf was in the mix if he only had got the job then.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Pie on March 11, 2019, 11:29:29 AM
THIRD in the Bundesliga.
1st is Bayem
2nd is Dortmund
who have much bigger war chests.
https://www.google.com/search?q=RB+Leipzig&oq=RB+Leipzig&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60j69i61j0l3.8429j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#sie=t;/m/065zf3p;2;/m/037169;st;fp;1;;

Take 5 minutes & tell me you don't like what you hear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Csig7_fqw


The Bundesliga
is a professional association football league in Germany and the football league with the highest average stadium attendance worldwide. At the top of the German football league system, the Bundesliga is Germany's primary football competition. Wikipedia
Current champion: FC Bayern Munich (27th title)
Most championships: Bayern Munich (27 titles)
Most appearances: Karl-Heinz Körbel (602)
Number of teams: 18
Did you know: The Bundesliga ranks seventh among domestic professional sports leagues in the world by total attendance (13,661,796). wikipedia.org

Apologies if it wasn't obvious to you but I was alluding to the fact that he will never want to come here seeing as he is manager of a team third in the Bundesliga...
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Jack Thrust on March 11, 2019, 11:31:19 AM
THIRD in the Bundesliga.
1st is Bayem
2nd is Dortmund
who have much bigger war chests.

I don't think Pie was questioning the ability of Rangnick nor the quality of the Bundesliga, but rather why a successful coach in a good league would want to swap that situation for the one we find ourselves in here. He would have to be mental, or offered a mental amount of money, neither of which seem likely.

I don't really care who we appoint as they'll be gone before the end of next season, I just hope we get them in quickly as the endless speculation does my head in.

Seriously bored of football and everything about it at the moment.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: geoff on March 11, 2019, 11:35:12 AM
Maybe for this.
Thanks for this link Albion 79
https://t.co/zutb67k6kz
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on March 11, 2019, 11:42:59 AM
The next boss needs to get a play off spot and hope they can mastermind the win.

Lets all be honest here, whoever gets the job next has a thankless task either way, if they manage to get us promoted, will they get the backing from Lai?

If we don't go up, they have a massive rebuilding job at hand, whilst also trying to implent their style, again will they get the backing to bring in some players, and if they don't start the season well they will probably be sacked by Christmas (as is the nature of football nowadays).

If we are to remain in the championship next year then we need a manager that can utilise the transfer market abroad. If you look at Norwich's team, personally I hadn't heard of a good 7/8 of their players but they play for each other and look set to get promoted. Would be interesting to see how much Norwich's team cost to put together.

What a massive appointment for the club. Lets just hope they can somehow get it right.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 11, 2019, 12:01:23 PM
We have the tools, they just haven't been utilised properly. This is evidenced in our 1st matches against Leeds, Sheff Utd and Norwich this season.
So the new guy should hit the ground running?

What are your minimum expectations, in terms of points, by the end of the season?
What happens if he doesn't achieve them?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: garry on March 11, 2019, 12:08:47 PM

What a massive appointment for the club. Lets just hope they can somehow get it right.

We say this every time, because every time it's true.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on March 11, 2019, 12:10:48 PM
So the new guy should hit the ground running?

What are your minimum expectations, in terms of points, by the end of the season?
What happens if he doesn't achieve them?

I wouldn't hold your breath. If he replies at all, it is generally to avoid the question rather than answering it.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on March 11, 2019, 12:13:50 PM
what is Mr Wenger upto??

I would love to see one of these "top" managers try to achieve success with an average team, the nearest I can think of who tried it is Rafa.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: SirTonyM on March 11, 2019, 12:14:29 PM
https://t.co/zutb67k6kz

Not sure if i have managed to do this right (i am rubbish at links)

Think our board and some of our fans need to read what he says.

He wants to feel appreciated and supported (which makes sense). I don’t think the Albion is right for you :)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 11, 2019, 12:21:08 PM
He wants to feel appreciated and supported (which makes sense). I don’t think the Albion is right for you :)
He also says that, at Fulham, "For the first six months, we didn’t find a clear way of how we were going to play". This, I suggest, also rules him out as Moore only got 7 and a bit.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on March 11, 2019, 12:31:58 PM
Whoever we appoint, it won't be long before he isn't good enough for some people. Darren Moore, in his first season as a manager, still managed to achieve the best win ratio at this level or above, of ANY manager EVER in our history (not counting temporary managers), but it still wasn't good enough, so what chance has the next guy got?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: SirTonyM on March 11, 2019, 12:33:45 PM
He also says that, at Fulham, "For the first six months, we didn’t find a clear way of how we were going to play". This, I suggest, also rules him out as Moore only got 7 and a bit.

I was actually going to add that they gave him time at Fulham to build something. It was a late season run that helped them make the play offs. Would have been out of the job by Christmas at Albion :)
Also the board have made it clear we need promotion this season but they are still talking to potential candidates. If the new man isn’t in place soon they are giving up games that we don’t have...
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: ben_westbrom on March 11, 2019, 12:37:17 PM
He also says that, at Fulham, "For the first six months, we didn’t find a clear way of how we were going to play". This, I suggest, also rules him out as Moore only got 7 and a bit.

Think the difference between the two is that we've been getting progressively worse under Moore not improving under a new style of play.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on March 11, 2019, 12:39:19 PM
My hope is that this decision to change Manager at this late stage of the season is at least part due to the current owner having a potential buyer if we get promoted, and we then get someone actually interested in developing the clubs potential.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: SirTonyM on March 11, 2019, 12:43:53 PM
Think the difference between the two is that we've been getting progressively worse under Moore not improving under a new style of play.

But points are what matters to the board. They have pretty much said that, would they have been patient with “improved” performances but remaining 14th in the league...Also if memory serves we had won 8 on the bounce away from home before Leeds...
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: GrumpyBaggie on March 11, 2019, 12:47:23 PM
I think those expecting a quick appointment of a new manager are in for a disappontment.  I presume that Lai demanded heads should roll last week, so Jenkins wielded the axe before it occurred to him that we probably need to think about looking for a new manager rather than promoting internally. 
If they have even finalised a shortlist yet I would be amazed, and I do not expect a new manager to be announced much before the end of the next pointless international break.  I also do not expect him to be one of the top five bookies favourites.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 11, 2019, 12:49:26 PM
I think those expecting a quick appointment of a new manager are in for a disappontment.  I presume that Lai demanded heads should roll last week, so Jenkins wielded the axe before it occurred to him that we probably need to think about looking for a new manager rather than promoting internally. 
If they have even finalised a shortlist yet I would be amazed, and I do not expect a new manager to be announced much before the end of the next pointless international break.  I also do not expect him to be one of the top five bookies favourites.

Mmmm.
Grumpy by name grumpy by nature
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: alex1 on March 11, 2019, 12:51:56 PM
Rangnick would be a no-brainer, but he won't swap going for a Champions League slot with Leipzig to trying for the Championship Playoffs. He is now doing the job of 2 people at Leipzig after what seems like a bust up with his No.2 Hasenhuttel. 

Any thoughts on Craig Shakespeare? Has a West Brom pedigree and knows the club and the area.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: GrumpyBaggie on March 11, 2019, 12:52:11 PM
Mmmm.
Grumpy by name grumpy by nature

Both!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: albion59 on March 11, 2019, 12:56:09 PM
So the new guy should hit the ground running?

What are your minimum expectations, in terms of points, by the end of the season?
What happens if he doesn't achieve them?

Then He will want him gone, just like Darren Moore!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on March 11, 2019, 12:56:40 PM
Rangnick would be a no-brainer, but he won't swap going for a Champions League slot with Leipzig to trying for the Championship Playoffs. He is now doing the job of 2 people at Leipzig after what seems like a bust up with his No.2 Hasenhuttel. 

Any thoughts on Craig Shakespeare? Has a West Brom pedigree and knows the club and the area.

open minded on Shakey, the reasons you give are irrelevant though !
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 11, 2019, 01:04:49 PM
Rangnick would be a no-brainer, but he won't swap going for a Champions League slot with Leipzig to trying for the Championship Playoffs. He is now doing the job of 2 people at Leipzig after what seems like a bust up with his No.2 Hasenhuttel. 

Any thoughts on Craig Shakespeare? Has a West Brom pedigree and knows the club and the area.

Yes - he should have been Darren Moore's number two.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 11, 2019, 01:11:43 PM
So the new guy should hit the ground running?

What are your minimum expectations, in terms of points, by the end of the season?
What happens if he doesn't achieve them?


Yes, the new guy should hit the ground running with the quality we have at our disposal, but I'm happy to judge him on a similar amount of games to which Moore has had. I am not someone who has had it in for DM, I wanted him to succeed and at times it looked as though he could but we have regressed as the season has gone on.

The minimum expectation I have would be playoff. If we don;t achieve that then we have appointed the wrong candidate but if we get Jokanovic in, then I wouldn't be over surprised if we are challenging for auto promotion again if we get help from other teams and we can start playing with the thing that we have lacked all season......COMMON SENSE.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: GREGMT on March 11, 2019, 01:28:14 PM
Yes, the new guy should hit the ground running with the quality we have at our disposal, but I'm happy to judge him on a similar amount of games to which Moore has had. I am not someone who has had it in for DM, I wanted him to succeed and at times it looked as though he could but we have regressed as the season has gone on.

The minimum expectation I have would be playoff. If we don;t achieve that then we have appointed the wrong candidate but if we get Jokanovic in, then I wouldn't be over surprised if we are challenging for auto promotion again if we get help from other teams and we can start playing with the thing that we have lacked all season......COMMON SENSE.

Exactly.  Performances and points haul were getting WORSE as the season progressed.  You would hope it would be the opposite as the team started to knit together and the squad became familiar with the boss's tactics, formation, system, managerial style etc.

I was really annoyed when Bartley and Brunt were overplayed from the season start, resulting in some adverse performances.  However, in early November we built momentum from picking Barry and having the Hegazi/Dawson combination.

It went downhill for me over Xmas and beyond as we failed to rotate the squad properly for the 4 Xmas fixtures, drawing at home to Sheff Wed and losing at Blackburn.  On losing Harvey Barnes we should've tightened up defensively knowing we wouldn't score so many.

In the last few weeks we've had this ridiculous scenario with Jones falling out with people, messing the club about over managing Luton and more importantly UNDERMINING's Big Dave.  The players probably lost focus on the training ground, not knowing who was running the show!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 11, 2019, 01:55:33 PM
Exactly.  Performances and points haul were getting WORSE as the season progressed.  You would hope it would be the opposite as the team started to knit together and the squad became familiar with the boss's tactics, formation, system, managerial style etc.

I was really annoyed when Bartley and Brunt were overplayed from the season start, resulting in some adverse performances.  However, in early November we built momentum from picking Barry and having the Hegazi/Dawson combination.

It went downhill for me over Xmas and beyond as we failed to rotate the squad properly for the 4 Xmas fixtures, drawing at home to Sheff Wed and losing at Blackburn.  On losing Harvey Barnes we should've tightened up defensively knowing we wouldn't score so many.

In the last few weeks we've had this ridiculous scenario with Jones falling out with people, messing the club about over managing Luton and more importantly UNDERMINING's Big Dave.  The players probably lost focus on the training ground, not knowing who was running the show!
We got more points in the last 15  games than we did the first 15.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 11, 2019, 01:58:37 PM
Yes, the new guy should hit the ground running with the quality we have at our disposal, but I'm happy to judge him on a similar amount of games to which Moore has had. I am not someone who has had it in for DM, I wanted him to succeed and at times it looked as though he could but we have regressed as the season has gone on.

The minimum expectation I have would be playoff. If we don;t achieve that then we have appointed the wrong candidate but if we get Jokanovic in, then I wouldn't be over surprised if we are challenging for auto promotion again if we get help from other teams and we can start playing with the thing that we have lacked all season......COMMON SENSE.
So all he has to do is keep us where we are now?
and, if we don't go up, you won't judge him until November?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 11, 2019, 02:19:17 PM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

“Albion approach Slavisa Jokanovic over vacant head coach role. Technical director Luke Dowling, who worked with him at Watford, is leading the search. Others will be sounded out at start of this week, but Jokanovic in pole position as it stands ”

Hadn’t realised Downing worked with Jokanovic at Watford, not sure if that is a positive or a negative
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: GREGMT on March 11, 2019, 02:32:52 PM
We got more points in the last 15  games than we did the first 15.

Yes that is true. 

I did state that playing Bartley was holding us back in those first 15 games. 

Unfortunately when it came to the crunch of Sheff U and Leeds back to back, we were found wanting.  The annoying thing is they are not in any way superior technically, just better set up with a streetwise manager. 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2019, 02:42:07 PM
Okay. Wilson has just put out an article about Appleton so let me get this across.


The new manager should have NO prior association with the club. So that's a thanks but no thanks to McInnes, Shakespeare, Appleton. We need a clean break.


Jokanovic or bust.
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Post by: miggybaggy on March 11, 2019, 02:48:17 PM
Okay. Wilson has just put out an article about Appleton so let me get this across.


The new manager should have NO prior association with the club. So that's a thanks but no thanks to McInnes, Shakespeare, Appleton. We need a clean break.


Jokanovic or bust.

Might be bust....could be too much of a poisoned chalice for Jokanovic and his career ambitions. We have no money (it seems) and an ageing squad.
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Post by: Dan87uk on March 11, 2019, 02:50:01 PM
Okay. Wilson has just put out an article about Appleton so let me get this across.


The new manager should have NO prior association with the club. So that's a thanks but no thanks to McInnes, Shakespeare, Appleton. We need a clean break.


Jokanovic or bust.

It's one of those rare instances where I agree with you Jacko  ;)

McInnes has done nothing with his Aberdeen side in the pub league except occasionally offer Celtic a faux rivalry until Rangers got back up to speed - which has now happened and Aberdeen nowhere near them.

Shakespeare.. just why? if you are going to go with him you may as well have kept Moore

Appleton - backwards step even compared to Moore, no thanks
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 11, 2019, 02:50:48 PM
Okay. Wilson has just put out an article about Appleton so let me get this across.


The new manager should have NO prior association with the club. So that's a thanks but no thanks to McInnes, Shakespeare, Appleton. We need a clean break.


Jokanovic or bust.

100% agree with you on all counts!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 11, 2019, 02:52:22 PM
Okay. Wilson has just put out an article about Appleton so let me get this across.


The new manager should have NO prior association with the club. So that's a thanks but no thanks to McInnes, Shakespeare, Appleton. We need a clean break.


Jokanovic or bust.

Agreed. He's the only proven and realistic option out there. He's been there and done it while playing attractive football. Hopefully we get him in ASAP and get to work extracting the best out of this squad.
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Post by: phbaggies on March 11, 2019, 02:55:35 PM
I would have liked us to tempt Monk over, transfer ban, 12 point deduction, fire sale, etc all coming Blues way...
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Post by: Albionic on March 11, 2019, 03:25:50 PM
I would have liked us to tempt Monk over, transfer ban, 12 point deduction, fire sale, etc all coming Blues way...

To be fair that is a good shout. What he has extracted from the mess that is blooze is pretty remarkable
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Post by: tuamigos on March 11, 2019, 03:32:20 PM
I would have liked us to tempt Monk over, transfer ban, 12 point deduction, fire sale, etc all coming Blues way...

He's just sorted one pile of doo doo out I wouldn't imagine he be keen on sorting another one out in quick succession
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Post by: phbaggies on March 11, 2019, 03:37:25 PM
He's just sorted one pile of doo doo out I wouldn't imagine he be keen on sorting another one out in quick succession
In 10-13 games he could have a trip to Wembley and promotion on his CV, he would jump at it for the right price im guessing!
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Post by: merson94 on March 11, 2019, 03:43:54 PM
The shortlist is pretty dire. Recycled managers that will just all play the same football. But Jokanovic is the obz the clear runner for me as he's been there and done it with Fulham, albeit through the play-offs... As much as we moaned about Big Dave not learning from mistakes, he can leave with his head held high after regaining our honour and at the end of last season and where we are now
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Post by: miggybaggy on March 11, 2019, 03:45:38 PM
All a bit quiet. Any more rumours anyone?

I do hope there aren't any re: Big Sam, Hughes or Moyes (or similar)..... >:(
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 11, 2019, 03:48:33 PM
He's just sorted one pile of doo doo out I wouldn't imagine he be keen on sorting another one out in quick succession

not a "pile of doo doo" here mate, just need someone with common sense and knows how to play the right way with the players we have which is more than good enough to seriously challenge for the top 2.
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Post by: SirTonyM on March 11, 2019, 04:06:38 PM
I would have liked us to tempt Monk over, transfer ban, 12 point deduction, fire sale, etc all coming Blues way...

Didn’t we just fire a guy who came to a club in crisis and on its knees (that hadn’t won a game in months). Also sold his best players and didn’t give him adequate funds to replace them...
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Post by: phbaggies on March 11, 2019, 04:16:48 PM
Didn’t we just fire a guy who came to a club in crisis and on its knees (that hadn’t won a game in months). Also sold his best players and didn’t give him adequate funds to replace them...
Define a crisis, i'd say Blues wins that one hands down to be honest
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Post by: SirTonyM on March 11, 2019, 04:26:00 PM
Define a crisis, i'd say Blues wins that one hands down to be honest

I’m not saying blues aren’t in crisis it’s just the Monk argument doesn’t take into account that Moore inherited a mess too. To gloss over that is naive. You could also say when Monk had better squads at Leeds  and Boro he struggled. Also interestingly this was written about Monk at Leeds.
“After beating Brighton 2–0 on 19 March 2017, Leeds were firmly in the playoff positions and in the hunt for automatic promotion, having pulled 11 points clear of 7th place. However, after a dramatic loss of form in the final 8 matches of the season, Leeds mathematically missed out on the playoffs on the final day of the season, finishing in 7th place after being overtaken by Fulham”. :)
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Post by: phbaggies on March 11, 2019, 04:38:52 PM
I’m not saying blues aren’t in crisis it’s just the Monk argument doesn’t take into account that Moore inherited a mess too. To gloss over that is naive. You could also say when Monk had better squads at Leeds  and Boro he struggled. Also interestingly this was written about Monk at Leeds.
“After beating Brighton 2–0 on 19 March 2017, Leeds were firmly in the playoff positions and in the hunt for automatic promotion, having pulled 11 points clear of 7th place. However, after a dramatic loss of form in the final 8 matches of the season, Leeds mathematically missed out on the playoffs on the final day of the season, finishing in 7th place after being overtaken by Fulham”. :)
Im not saying Monk is the answer to anything, just a better option than some banded about, he has restored his reputation as a young British manager that can manage a squad on limited budgets which is exactly what he would be doing here. To be honest I think Moore was still the answer and deserved to see the final quarter out and be judged at the end of the season, we are still in a very strong position that at least 20 teams below us would love to be, it was going to take a monumental effort to cock the playoffs up from here then it is anybody's to win, if his remit was to gain promotion, then it is my belief they pressed the panic button too early as he was on target to have a shot albeit through the lottery of play offs, which is exactly what the new manager will have to do!?

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: cornishbaggie on March 11, 2019, 04:57:35 PM
Okay. Wilson has just put out an article about Appleton so let me get this across.


The new manager should have NO prior association with the club. So that's a thanks but no thanks to McInnes, Shakespeare, Appleton. We need a clean break.


Jokanovic or bust.

he's got us over a barrel...
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Post by: phbaggies on March 11, 2019, 04:59:55 PM
Karanka is a wild card at 16/1, Moyes now second fav with the bookies.......  ???
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 11, 2019, 05:10:07 PM
Karanka is a wild card at 16/1, Moyes now second fav with the bookies.......  ???
Didn't Moyes more or less say we were beneath him a couple of sackings ago?
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 11, 2019, 06:21:05 PM
If we are talking wildcards then I'd go with Lampard or Gerrard. Jokanovic is the man for the job in my opinion.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 11, 2019, 06:30:59 PM
Okay. Wilson has just put out an article about Appleton so let me get this across.


The new manager should have NO prior association with the club. So that's a thanks but no thanks to McInnes, Shakespeare, Appleton. We need a clean break.


Jokanovic or bust.
Spot on Jacko
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Post by: paulosull on March 11, 2019, 06:37:34 PM
If the board had issues with Moore and his staff back in November I'd expect a coach to be in place today. Looks like knee jerk reaction from owner who just realised he's bought a white elephant
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Post by: hardtobeat on March 11, 2019, 06:45:37 PM
Scratch Zidane  ;D
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 11, 2019, 07:01:20 PM
Solari...oh, oh. By the Gypsy Kings. :-X
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 11, 2019, 07:11:42 PM
“Slavisa Jokanovic: West Brom hope to name ex-Fulham boss as next manager”

It sounds as though it’s edging nearer, fingers crossed

Source: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/slavisa-jokanovic-west-brom-hope-14119938
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 11, 2019, 07:30:54 PM
“Slavisa Jokanovic: West Brom hope to name ex-Fulham boss as next manager”

It sounds as though it’s edging nearer, fingers crossed

Source: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/slavisa-jokanovic-west-brom-hope-14119938
It's the hope which kills.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 11, 2019, 07:43:03 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/11/west-brom-contemplate-short-term-appointment-after-hearing-from-david-wagner/
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Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on March 11, 2019, 07:45:31 PM
Didn't Moyes more or less say we were beneath him a couple of sackings ago?

iits amazing what a couple of sacking will do  :D and that's the only joke i'll make of this utter ****show
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Post by: lewisant on March 11, 2019, 07:46:17 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/11/west-brom-contemplate-short-term-appointment-after-hearing-from-david-wagner/

So if all reports are to be believed...we have no plan.

Do i believe all the reports...not so sure!
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Post by: section5 on March 11, 2019, 07:47:05 PM
No to Karanka and why wait for Wagner, for him to see what happens... no thankyou. Get Jokanovic in for me. Stand out name so far not really interested in the rest of the names. Hope this happens ASAP. Anyone Itk?
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 11, 2019, 07:51:31 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/11/west-brom-contemplate-short-term-appointment-after-hearing-from-david-wagner/

Iv'e got a lot of time for Matt Wilson, but that that report has shades of the "wouldn't rule out" phrase.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2019, 07:57:43 PM
Wilson has put out some sh1te today as I've just told him on Twitter. The only useful information in that article is Jokanovic is the number 1 choice.
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Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on March 11, 2019, 08:05:04 PM
I reckon the new manager will be announced & paraded before the game on Wednesday, going to stick my neck out & say Jokanovic will get the gig.

Like to make an entrance do our Oriental friends.
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Post by: timdon on March 11, 2019, 08:07:25 PM
If we are talking wildcards then I'd go with Lampard or Gerrard. Jokanovic is the man for the job in my opinion.
Haha, like he's going to leave Rangers for us.
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Post by: NathWBA on March 11, 2019, 08:14:05 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/11/west-brom-contemplate-short-term-appointment-after-hearing-from-david-wagner/
that article says we play Swansea tomorrow night, we’re expected to believe he knows what he’s on about
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albion79 on March 11, 2019, 08:37:04 PM
Whatever the rights and wrongs of Darren Moore's sacking i find it quite astonishing that we didnt have somebody ready to start work today.

With them sacking Moore when they did it appears time is of the essence, the players wouldnt of been in yesterday due to playing satuday, they would be in today and the new man should of been there to start getting his ideas over today and tomorrow ahead of the game wednesday.

The players wont train thursday because of playing the night before so if the new manager is unveiled wednesday, he will get one days training ahead of the Brentford game which will be friday and training the day before a game is always low key, we have ten games left and the new bloke will almost certainly have little say on the next two which then leaves 8 games.

Assuming Moores criteria was automatic promotion (which now as it looks unlikely would seem to the reason he was sacked) surely whoever was coming in needed as many games as possible to galvanise this supposedly failing squad? Instead whoever comes in has no input for pretty much two games anyway!

Jimmy Shan was a main man in the same coaching team as Moore so he will be pretty much doing exactly the same thing which begs the question if you didnt have a replacement lined up ready to start, why sack Moore when he is more likely to get a tune out the players than a stand in coach who has also worked with the players all season?!

It would seem the decision was made after the Leeds game, last week should of been spent speaking to potential new coaches and decision made before the Ipswich game, we can talk about pride, morals and dignity of respecting the man in charge but our board lost all evidence of that a long time ago, everyone knows it happens in football, most times replacement managers are in place ahead of the man been sacked.

Yet again just goes to show what a joke and embarrassment we now are as a club.
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Post by: The Black Pearl on March 11, 2019, 08:40:47 PM
Whatever the rights and wrongs of Darren Moore's sacking i find it quite astonishing that we didnt have somebody ready to start work today.

With them sacking Moore when they did it appears time is of the essence, the players wouldnt of been in yesterday due to playing satuday, they would be in today and the new man should of been there to start getting his ideas over today and tomorrow ahead of the game wednesday.

The players wont train thursday because of playing the night before so if the new manager is unveiled wednesday, he will get one days training ahead of the Brentford game which will be friday and training the day before a game is always low key, we have ten games left and the new bloke will almost certainly have little say on the next two which then leaves 8 games.

Assuming Moores criteria was automatic promotion (which now as it looks unlikely would seem to the reason he was sacked) surely whoever was coming in needed as many games as possible to galvanise this supposedly failing squad? Instead whoever comes in has no input for pretty much two games anyway!

Jimmy Shan was a main man in the same coaching team as Moore so he will be pretty much doing exactly the same thing which begs the question if you didnt have a replacement lined up ready to start, why sack Moore when he is more likely to get a tune out the players than a stand in coach who has also worked with the players all season?!

It would seem the decision was made after the Leeds game, last week should of been spent speaking to potential new coaches and decision made before the Ipswich game, we can talk about pride, morals and dignity of respecting the man in charge but our board lost all evidence of that a long time ago, everyone knows it happens in football, most times replacement managers are in place ahead of the man been sacked.

Yet again just goes to show what a joke and embarrassment we now are as a club.

I will be amazed if Shan allows the suicidal passing in defence, he will listen to the players and demand they play for the club and themselves. I expect improvement straight away.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 11, 2019, 08:43:15 PM
My biggest concern for this group of players would be will they respect Shan enough to listen.

They showed with their efforts under Pulis and Pardew that if they dont want to play, they wont.

I dont think they could be accused of a lack of effort under Moore, i just dont think they were good enough (my opinion) but i wouldnt put it past them to take it easy til the new man comes in, i hope i am wrong though.
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Post by: Dexy on March 11, 2019, 08:44:47 PM
Wilson has put out some sh1te today as I've just told him on Twitter. The only useful information in that article is Jokanovic is the number 1 choice.
I find the short term bit worrying , he wouldn't write that without something in the back ground.
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 11, 2019, 08:51:15 PM
Whatever the rights and wrongs of Darren Moore's sacking i find it quite astonishing that we didnt have somebody ready to start work today.

With them sacking Moore when they did it appears time is of the essence, the players wouldnt of been in yesterday due to playing satuday, they would be in today and the new man should of been there to start getting his ideas over today and tomorrow ahead of the game wednesday.

The players wont train thursday because of playing the night before so if the new manager is unveiled wednesday, he will get one days training ahead of the Brentford game which will be friday and training the day before a game is always low key, we have ten games left and the new bloke will almost certainly have little say on the next two which then leaves 8 games.

Assuming Moores criteria was automatic promotion (which now as it looks unlikely would seem to the reason he was sacked) surely whoever was coming in needed as many games as possible to galvanise this supposedly failing squad? Instead whoever comes in has no input for pretty much two games anyway!

Jimmy Shan was a main man in the same coaching team as Moore so he will be pretty much doing exactly the same thing which begs the question if you didnt have a replacement lined up ready to start, why sack Moore when he is more likely to get a tune out the players than a stand in coach who has also worked with the players all season?!

It would seem the decision was made after the Leeds game, last week should of been spent speaking to potential new coaches and decision made before the Ipswich game, we can talk about pride, morals and dignity of respecting the man in charge but our board lost all evidence of that a long time ago, everyone knows it happens in football, most times replacement managers are in place ahead of the man been sacked.

Yet again just goes to show what a joke and embarrassment we now are as a club.

The latest rumours, suggest we're considering an interim manager until the end of the season.
I'm not sure what the legal or financial implications are for discussing a contract for a new manager while the encumbent is still in place.

James Shan, was part of DM's team at the end of last season, allegedly, he is tactically very good, & had a major part to play in the last 6 games.
I think now that Jones has gone, we'll see a different approach on Wednesday. wouldn't be at all surprised to see a Pulis style set-up,
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Post by: frazzle on March 11, 2019, 09:02:18 PM
Not looking good. We are already close to one of the fixtures that we sacked Moore so that we could win. Need new manager in tomorrow for any of this to make sense.
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on March 11, 2019, 09:13:44 PM
IF the express and star are right and we are going short term, why change Moore in the first place? Were things that bad in the club?

Just pay the money Albion, stop messing around and get Jokanovic in. He is the only choice that would make me sort of accept that removing Moore was worth it.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 11, 2019, 09:16:44 PM
We are really a fk about of a club aren't we?
I'm surprised anyone's interested at all.
If the hierarchy know who they want just do the deed and get him
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Post by: The Black Pearl on March 11, 2019, 09:21:40 PM
My biggest concern for this group of players would be will they respect Shan enough to listen.

They showed with their efforts under Pulis and Pardew that if they dont want to play, they wont.

I dont think they could be accused of a lack of effort under Moore, i just dont think they were good enough (my opinion) but i wouldnt put it past them to take it easy til the new man comes in, i hope i am wrong though.

I think Shan is well respected and if things with appointing a new manager don't go well, I would be content to see him in place till the end of the season. I think the players liked big Dave as a man, but I suspect they knew he was not tactically up to the job, the whistling from the side lines fooled no one.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 11, 2019, 09:22:31 PM
Here are the odds for who will fill the The Hawthorns hotset, via SkyBet and Jokanovic odds on!

Slavisa Jokanovic 1/3
David Moyes 5/1
Derek McInnes 10/1
Gary Rowett 10/1
Lee Johnson 10/1
Alex Neil 12/1
Sam Allardyce 12/1
David Wagner 14/1
Aitor Karanka 16/1
Michael Appleton 16/1
Carlos Carvalhal 18/1
Nigel Pearson 18/1
Harry Redknapp 20/1
Mark Hughes 20/1
Alan Pardew 25/1
Garry Monk 25/1
Paul Cook 25/1
Paul Hurst 25/1
Richie Wellens 25/1
Steve Clarke 25/1
Tony Mowbray 25/1
Claude Puel 28/1
Slaven Bilic 28/1
Craig Shakespeare 33/1
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albion79 on March 11, 2019, 09:28:07 PM
Shan is rumoured to be a good coach and i hope he does well.

However he is the last man standing with the others being sacked and he is likely to be sacked or demoted when the new man comes in (any manager coming in is in a strong negotiating position due to our desperation to make the premier league and i would imagine is reluctant to have staff picked for him unless it is temporary appointment until the summer)

i do worry there is a big risk that a group who have previous for downing tools will disrespect Shan and do the same which makes it all the more bizarre we are prepared to take that risk for a couple of games when we are seemingly so desperate.
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 11, 2019, 09:28:35 PM
Slavan Bilic?
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Post by: telford baggie on March 11, 2019, 09:34:53 PM
Of the names mentioned I only want Jokanovic. I then want the incumbent to never pick Jake Livermore, Kyle Bartley or Jay Rodriguez ever again. At a push you could add Johnstone to this also. We badly need to move away from below average triers.
add brunt and kanu and we may start to get somewhere
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 11, 2019, 09:38:28 PM
It’s clear now why he wasn’t include in the betting

Zinedine Zidane: Real Madrid reappoint Frenchman to replace Santiago Solari

Oh well, next time ah Zinedine!
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 11, 2019, 09:41:30 PM
Shan is rumoured to be a good coach and i hope he does well.

However he is the last man standing with the others being sacked and he is likely to be sacked or demoted when the new man comes in (any manager coming in is in a strong negotiating position due to our desperation to make the premier league and i would imagine is reluctant to have staff picked for him unless it is temporary appointment until the summer)

i do worry there is a big risk that a group who have previous for downing tools will disrespect Shan and do the same which makes it all the more bizarre we are prepared to take that risk for a couple of games when we are seemingly so desperate.


Can't see them downing tools, if they're on a £10 million promotion bonus.

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Post by: Mister AT on March 11, 2019, 09:45:42 PM
Slavan Bilic?

Not a bad shout. Didn’t we want to speak to him when he got sacked from West Ham?

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Post by: Albion79 on March 11, 2019, 09:46:02 PM
i would like to think that too but they downed tools last season and got themselves a 50 per cent pay cut!
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Post by: The Black Pearl on March 11, 2019, 09:46:31 PM

Can't see them downing tools, if they're on a £10 million promotion bonus.

Nor me, I don't think they were in any way downing tools, I think there was lack of belief in the tactics, must have been very awkward for them, liking big Dave, but knowing he was not up the job.
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Post by: royhan on March 11, 2019, 09:50:21 PM
 I gain the impression from reading various media reports that David Wagner would probably be our favoured choice if he was available this season, which sadly he is not. We probably wouldn’t want a caretaker appointment with an important promotion push ahead - unless, of course, we could persuade Harry Redknapp to take on this role until the end of the season when Wagner would take over. Wagner is certainly my favoured option.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2019, 09:53:51 PM
Huddersfield played some of the worst football known to man, barely threatening a goal in the top division. Also we want someone who would jump at the job. He ruled himself out the other day, this is just Matt Wilson creating column inches. Jokanovic is clearly the preferred target.
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Post by: section5 on March 11, 2019, 09:55:04 PM
I gain the impression from reading various media reports that David Wagner would probably be our favoured choice if he was available this season, which sadly he is not. We probably wouldn’t want a caretaker appointment with an important promotion push ahead - unless, of course, we could persuade Harry Redknapp to take on this role until the end of the season when Wagner would take over. Wagner is certainly my favoured option.

Its one of them with a caretaker.. if they do well do they then get the job permanently and we end up in a DM situation again when there would have been preffered options becoming available in the summer. Very difficult decision for the powers that be considering how vital it is we now pick up form
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Post by: Mister AT on March 11, 2019, 09:56:40 PM
I gain the impression from reading various media reports that David Wagner would probably be our favoured choice if he was available this season, which sadly he is not. We probably wouldn’t want a caretaker appointment with an important promotion push ahead - unless, of course, we could persuade Harry Redknapp to take on this role until the end of the season when Wagner would take over. Wagner is certainly my favoured option.

I would rather let Shan see out the season than have Harry Redknapp managing  the club.
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 11, 2019, 10:04:52 PM
Huddersfield played some of the worst football known to man, barely threatening a goal in the top division. Also we want someone who would jump at the job. He ruled himself out the other day, this is just Matt Wilson creating column inches. Jokanovic is clearly the preferred target.

The only two people who would jump at the job, Appleton & Mcinnes you don't want.

Jokanovic is clearly the target, but we might be miles apart on contract  terms.

Must admit, I had my doubts, but Matt Wilson seems pretty confident about the interim manager comment.
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Post by: alwaysbilly on March 11, 2019, 10:09:57 PM
We are really a fk about of a club aren't we?
I'm surprised anyone's interested at all.
If the hierarchy know who they want just do the deed and get him
? I dont think so.
For all we know Jokanovic's contract could be being drawn up.
Jenkins wont pay compensation, true, but I expect a swift appointment as I do believe Sheff U and Leeds games showed what many have suspected and gave us an answer as to how the play offs (unless we slipped out) would have gone.The board knew then that Darren Moore was out of his depth.
Fickle game this
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on March 11, 2019, 10:18:39 PM
Not a bad shout. Didn’t we want to speak to him when he got sacked from West Ham?
I have a couple of friends who like the Hammers. They thought Bilic was useless and couldn't wait for him to go.
Void of ideas and plays people out of position, sound familiar?
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on March 11, 2019, 10:22:45 PM
So we are looking for someone with Championship experience, preferably success with promotion.
Someone with Premiership experience, can gain the respect of the team and isn't afraid to change things up.
Anyone know what Gary Megson is doing?
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 11, 2019, 10:34:21 PM
So we are looking for someone with Championship experience, preferably success with promotion.
Someone with Premiership experience, can gain the respect of the team and isn't afraid to change things up.
Anyone know what Gary Megson is doing?
The only man......if we are doing interim
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie82 on March 11, 2019, 10:35:55 PM
Purely guess work but I’d expect Jokovich is our target and that we have been discussing terms with him but are trying to keep the cost down. His agent has probably quoted us silly money / massive promotion bonus and we’re probably leaking other names to the press to give the impression with have other options to try to get a better deal with him. All part and parcel of the madness of football. By letting it be known we can go short term and then Wagner we give Jokovich agent food for thought, still reckon it’s him we want. This board room stuff is always smoke and mirrors.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 11, 2019, 10:35:59 PM
I had to search Shan and West Bromwich Albion..At least now I understand that hew he is now first team coach...Please everybody bring us all up to date.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on March 11, 2019, 10:40:04 PM
There is an offer on the table for Jokanovic and he was almost certainly sounded out before Moore's departure. However there is some doubt as to whether or not he will accept. The individual concerned might best described as high maintenance so this was never going to be easy to land in a short timeframe. We have to have a back up plan.

Frankly by the time whoever we appoint has bedded in there will be barely 4 or 5 games to go plus if we are lucky the play-offs. The timing sucks the decision sucks Jokanovic is fine but not exactly exceptional, I actually don't care whether he takes it or not.

As for an interim appointment all our Head Coach appointments are f*cking interim. 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: swad35 on March 11, 2019, 10:43:45 PM
What we need is a short term manager, who knows the club, can rebuild some pride, win the majority of the last games of the season and doesn’t have an ego.....anyone know what big Dave is doing.....oh yeah.

Seriously hope it’s the Serb. Two promotions from playoffs sounds promising.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on March 11, 2019, 10:44:24 PM
I'm just going to say it....Jokanovich will be a bad choice. I base it on the fact he has not shown any long term commitment at any team he has coached. If the club decide to appoint him on an interim basis for the rest of the season we will be in this sh*t show of a merry-go-round of managers again in the summer.
I would not be convinced he wants to be here any longer than that. I'm sure a huge cash incentive to get us promoted would be his only attraction.
We have to look at people who WANT TO BE HERE and not just a quick fix.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: KN22 on March 11, 2019, 10:45:21 PM
I think those expecting a quick appointment of a new manager are in for a disappontment.  I presume that Lai demanded heads should roll last week, so Jenkins wielded the axe before it occurred to him that we probably need to think about looking for a new manager rather than promoting internally. 
If they have even finalised a shortlist yet I would be amazed, and I do not expect a new manager to be announced much before the end of the next pointless international break.  I also do not expect him to be one of the top five bookies favourites.

I think you will be wrong on both fronts
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2019, 10:53:01 PM
I'm just going to say it....Jokanovich will be a bad choice. I base it on the fact he has not shown any long term commitment at any team he has coached. If the club decide to appoint him on an interim basis for the rest of the season we will be in this sh*t show of a merry-go-round of managers again in the summer.
I would not be convinced he wants to be here any longer than that. I'm sure a huge cash incentive to get us promoted would be his only attraction.
We have to look at people who WANT TO BE HERE and not just a quick fix.


To say you've misread the situation would be an understatement.
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Post by: lindenbaggie on March 11, 2019, 11:02:15 PM
I don't think anything will be sealed until Jenkins arrives back from China.
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Post by: timdon on March 11, 2019, 11:13:57 PM

To say you've misread the situation would be an understatement.
What exactly is "the situation"?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2019, 11:16:41 PM
What exactly is "the situation"?


In the case of the post I quoted Jokanovic would not be an interim appointment...
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on March 11, 2019, 11:20:50 PM

In the case of the post I quoted Jokanovic would not be an interim appointment...
Ah, thanks for the clarification. Will he be an appointment at all though, that's the question.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on March 11, 2019, 11:31:24 PM

In the case of the post I quoted Jokanovic would not be an interim appointment...
I think you may have missed my point... The club may think they have a long term plan with Jokanovic but based on his record he may be a a short term appointment as he likes to move on at the drop of a hat.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on March 12, 2019, 02:42:17 AM
I don't think anything will be sealed until Jenkins arrives back from China.

And knowing our penny pinching ways he's probably on a container ship and will get here in about 6 weeks.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: GREGMT on March 12, 2019, 08:22:29 AM
The longer this drags on then the more I think Gary Megson would be perfect until the end of the season.

We are currently lacking all his traits: discipline, organisation, leadership, mental toughness, etc. And as ll the traits thaws t Leeds, Norwich, Sheff Utd have.  He also has the benefit of working here before and knows club culture.

He would certainly be a farc better option than Moyes or Appleton.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 12, 2019, 08:30:06 AM
Huddersfield played some of the worst football known to man, barely threatening a goal in the top division. Also we want someone who would jump at the job. He ruled himself out the other day, this is just Matt Wilson creating column inches. Jokanovic is clearly the preferred target.

Indeed they did, they also got promoted with a negative goal difference so were always likely to struggle scoring at a higher level; they even had a worse goal difference than us last season. His win percentages with Dortmund's second team (34.8) and Huddersfield (33.1) are low too.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mini gaardsoe on March 12, 2019, 08:31:31 AM
The longer this drags on then the more I think Gary Megson would be perfect until the end of the season.

We are currently lacking all his traits: discipline, organisation, leadership, mental toughness, etc. And as ll the traits thaws t Leeds, Norwich, Sheff Utd have.  He also has the benefit of working here before and knows club culture.

He would certainly be a farc better option than Moyes or Appleton.



Not sure Jenkins and Megson get on, so I’d say that’s unlikely
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 12, 2019, 08:40:41 AM
The longer this drags on


It's been less than three days since we sacked Darren and one of those days was a Sunday so I don't think you can justifiably call it dragging on at the moment.

There will be a lot going on behind the scenes that we don't know about and what media / journalists are not privy to. I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone is announced before we take the field tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: kc56wba on March 12, 2019, 08:47:03 AM
Not sure Jenkins and Megson get on, so I’d say that’s unlikely

Megson could fall out with his own shadow. 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 12, 2019, 08:48:34 AM
Pardew anyone? 40/1 on Betfair.


 ;D Attendance vs Swansea - 1,000 (all away fans).  :P
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: darbolina on March 12, 2019, 08:55:00 AM
Realistically, it will take a new man at least a month to implement even his most basic of ideas. I think we need to see this season as a free hit now as others have said. If we get the play offs (we should) great, if we go up - (maybe great in that at least we can rebuild with more money although we're likely to come straight back down), if we don't go up (most likely), the new man will have had a few months to assess what needs to be done and hit the ground running in the summer. This pre-summer planning must begin now and is arguably more important than our remaining league matches this season (except play off matches) as this summer will define our next few years (lots of ins and outs).

I still think it'll be Yokanovic, on a 3 year contract announced by tomorrow evening. The other names I think are just to ensure we have a plan b and that Yokanovic doesn't think he's in such a strong position (which he probably is btw).
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 12, 2019, 08:58:21 AM
I think you may have missed my point... The club may think they have a long term plan with Jokanovic but based on his record he may be a a short term appointment as he likes to move on at the drop of a hat.

IMO, that's the problem, can see issues with the length of his contract. We would want a fairly short term ( wait & see) contract, he would want something a lot longer.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 12, 2019, 09:00:31 AM
I just can't make sense of the timing of any of this. The only way it would have made sense would have been if someone was walking in the front door as Moore was walking out the back. As it is we are just on our merry-go-round of cheap, unemployed options. The board say they demand promotion, yet are unwilling to pay for it. As usual it's all arse about face.

I've asked this question a few times, does anyone have a clue what the new manager's remit is?

If it's simply taking the reigns until the end of the season, then why not leave Moore in charge?
If it's consolidate play offs then again, why not leave Moore in charge?
If it's promotion, then why are we still dithering about who it should be, with 2 games of 10 coming up in the next 4 days and will he be sacked if he fails?
If it's next season then have we written this one off?

Regardless of whether you think Moore was doing a good job, I can't see how the timing does anything but damage our chances this season.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 12, 2019, 09:08:50 AM

It's been less than three days since we sacked Darren and one of those days was a Sunday so I don't think you can justifiably call it dragging on at the moment.

There will be a lot going on behind the scenes that we don't know about and what media / journalists are not privy to. I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone is announced before we take the field tomorrow night.

I'd say they had dropped a brick.
They panicked, as usual, and got rid of the manager without having a back up plan ready to put into operation.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Arthur Pewty on March 12, 2019, 09:09:08 AM
I think we have all missed the point. The club have offered weird Al Yankovic a 3year deal. Think Jenkins has had a google failure. At least the 1/2 time entertainment  will improve. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 12, 2019, 09:14:55 AM
I think we have all missed the point. The club have offered weird Al Yankovic a 3year deal. Think Jenkins has had a google failure. At least the 1/2 time entertainment  will improve. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️


Are you and Deidre still seeing the marriage guidance counsellor?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 12, 2019, 09:34:06 AM
In all honesty, I am not too worried by the fact that we got rid of Darren before the Swansea game and may not have a replacement in by that game, it was hardly like we were looking like winning a home game under Darren any time soon so at best it is an extra point he may have gained us from the match.

The weekend becomes infinitely more important, however.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mikkyk on March 12, 2019, 09:52:53 AM
In all honesty, I am not too worried by the fact that we got rid of Darren before the Swansea game and may not have a replacement in by that game, it was hardly like we were looking like winning a home game under Darren any time soon so at best it is an extra point he may have gained us from the match.

The weekend becomes infinitely more important, however.

I disagree, with such few games left this season I think it was imperative that if we sacked Darren we needed someone in pronto.

I would rather have had Darren in for the weekend over a caretaker(s). I hope to be wrong but I struggle to see how our bunch of hard to be motivated players will be fired up by a caretaker.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Arthur Pewty on March 12, 2019, 09:56:52 AM

Are you and Deidre still seeing the marriage guidance counsellor?
Her behavior did seem at the time to me, who after all was there to see, to be a little odd, therefore we are still eagerly attending the sessions
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on March 12, 2019, 10:24:35 AM
I disagree, with such few games left this season I think it was imperative that if we sacked Darren we needed someone in pronto.

I would rather have had Darren in for the weekend over a caretaker(s). I hope to be wrong but I struggle to see how our bunch of hard to be motivated players will be fired up by a caretaker.

I know from several people who work in and around the club that Shan is well respected by everyone at WBA, I cant see the players downing tools for him to be honest.

After hearing all the stuff come out about Jones, I imagine it would have been him the players have become fed up with.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 12, 2019, 10:40:11 AM
I know from several people who work in and around the club that Shan is well respected by everyone at WBA, I cant see the players downing tools for him to be honest.

After hearing all the stuff come out about Jones, I imagine it would have been him the players have become fed up with.
If it's all true about Jones, then he's off in the summer anyway, so why not just get rid of him?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: barnestormer on March 12, 2019, 11:18:23 AM
https://www.teamtalk.com/news/exclusive-jokanovics-west-brom-job-demands-revealed
Wants £2M a year plus a hefty promotion bonus should it come to pass.thats comparable to our top earning players,I suppose if you want the best you have to pay for it,can't see penny pinching Albion agreeing to this though
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Post by: tuamigos on March 12, 2019, 11:29:36 AM
https://www.teamtalk.com/news/exclusive-jokanovics-west-brom-job-demands-revealed
Wants £2M a year plus a hefty promotion bonus should it come to pass.thats comparable to our top earning players,I suppose if you want the best you have to pay for it,can't see penny pinching Albion agreeing to this though

Offer him the money subject to us getting promoted.
If he gets us promoted he gets the money if he doesn't he gets 8 weeks wages and a good-bye.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: barnestormer on March 12, 2019, 11:33:19 AM
Offer him the money subject to us getting promoted.
If he gets us promoted he gets the money if he doesn't he gets 8 weeks wages and a good-bye.
Other reports suggest just like Wagner jokanovic is on gardening leave from Fulham which begs the question to me why we didn't do the same with Pulis
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 12, 2019, 12:16:24 PM


Well this is turning into an embarrassing decision the longer it we go without announcing a manager. I know someone else posted that the decision to sack Moore was made prior to the Ipswich game. Is it possible Moore and the players got wind of this before it he was going to be officially told?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Hayward1984 on March 12, 2019, 12:23:35 PM
Jenkins isn't even in the country.

Once he's back it'll move quickly one way or another.

All this rubbish about "they don't have a plan" is just that. Rubbish.

Fair enough they might not make a good decision but it won't be a slow one this time and I'd give them at least 4 or 5 days to make such an important decision before crying about it.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on March 12, 2019, 12:27:53 PM
https://www.teamtalk.com/news/exclusive-jokanovics-west-brom-job-demands-revealed
Wants £2M a year plus a hefty promotion bonus should it come to pass.thats comparable to our top earning players,I suppose if you want the best you have to pay for it,can't see penny pinching Albion agreeing to this though

Given the prize and the money WBA will receive from the EPL, that seems like a bargain to me.... but will we go for it????

This is the Albion, so I am not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 12, 2019, 12:38:33 PM
Given the prize and the money WBA will receive from the EPL, that seems like a bargain to me.... but will we go for it????

This is the Albion, so I am not holding my breath.

For a mid table EPL manager, £2 million a year is about right, Pulis was allegedly on about £1.7 million.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: KN22 on March 12, 2019, 12:40:35 PM
If it's all true about Jones, then he's off in the summer anyway, so why not just get rid of him?

I must be missing something here.... Jones  has gone!!  :'(
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 12, 2019, 12:43:11 PM
Jenkins isn't even in the country.

Once he's back it'll move quickly one way or another.

All this rubbish about "they don't have a plan" is just that. Rubbish.

Fair enough they might not make a good decision but it won't be a slow one this time and I'd give them at least 4 or 5 days to make such an important decision before crying about it.
We play 2 games in the next 5 days, which is 20% of what we have remaining. The decision has already taken too long.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 12, 2019, 12:49:08 PM
I must be missing something here.... Jones  has gone!!  :'(
As in, just get rid of Jones and keep Moore.  ::)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 12, 2019, 12:53:27 PM
We play 2 games in the next 5 days, which is 20% of what we have remaining. The decision has already taken too long.

I just removed my post that said exactly the same. That's before the manager has even got his feet under the table and effected any useful change with no backroom staff  :o

I'm starting to question if Moore was let go for giving the board both barrels about why we are in this predicament.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 12, 2019, 12:58:05 PM
I just removed my post that said exactly the same. That's before the manager has even got his feet under the table and effected any useful change with no backroom staff  :o

I'm starting to question if Moore was let go for giving the board both barrels about why we are in this predicament.


At the end of the day we're in this predicament because Moore lost the two biggest games of the season in the same week, when a draw in both would have kept us well in touch with an easier run in. Premature or not, it's hard to argue that the last 3 weeks hasn't totally derailed our season, with little sign of on field improvement.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: KN22 on March 12, 2019, 12:58:25 PM
As in, just get rid of Jones and keep Moore.  ::)

Apologies, I said I must be missing something!!
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Post by: FallOutBoy on March 12, 2019, 12:58:37 PM
I can't believe we sacked another manager without a plan.

We saw how that has worked out before, and still did it.

We should have had somebody lined up and a deal done before giving Moore the chop, otherwise it was pointless doing it at that point.
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Post by: BoingFlyer on March 12, 2019, 01:01:55 PM

At the end of the day we're in this predicament because Moore lost the two biggest games of the season in the same week, when a draw in both would have kept us well in touch with an easier run in. Premature or not, it's hard to argue that the last 3 weeks hasn't totally derailed our season, with little sign of on field improvement.

Agreed those were massive games and it has cost us automatic, however I don't think we will make play offs now due to the decision to sack him with 10 games to go.

Sheff utd was a single goal, Leeds had a point to prove after we routed them.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: phbaggies on March 12, 2019, 01:42:30 PM
Call me mad but i've just had £20 on Bilic to be next manager, 28-1 just screamed value for money bet to me!!  :-\
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Post by: Hayward1984 on March 12, 2019, 01:43:39 PM
Alternatively they've let him go knowing that the players will get a kick up the arse from it and it's likely a new manager can be in place with a couple of weeks to drill them in his tactics before Blues at the end of the month.

It's not so odd to imagine we might do alright in the next couple of games as players (the ones that can be arsed) show they are up for it before a new man comes in and drops them.

Shan isn't massively experienced but it's unlikely he'll be asking to them anything more then what they know from years of being professional footballers.
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Post by: paulosull on March 12, 2019, 01:53:06 PM
Who ever gets job and what ever division we are in the majority of if not all of senior players need to be moved on. In the Pulisball years once they got to 40 points they were on the beech and season he got sacked they couldn't count. All these players seem to be good at is getting coaches sacked club needs overhaul of playing staff.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Smethwickender93 on March 12, 2019, 02:14:52 PM
https://www.football.london/fulham-fc/what-happened-40-signings-fulham-15440517

List of 40 players signed by Jovanovic. Baring in mind he had 100 mil to spend last summer.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mulliganstired on March 12, 2019, 02:18:39 PM
Bored waiting for news now, so just playing devil's advocate, if the reason to sack Moore was to get some momentum for the playoffs instead of getting more and more turgid and tentative and just slipping away, maybe we don't need a new guy in, maybe we just tell Jimmy to pick the best 442 in their natural positions and send them out there to go for it.  Our chances of promotion must be around 25% now, can't be much a new guy could do anyway, then we'd have the summer to get the right man in whatever division we're in.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 12, 2019, 02:19:12 PM
https://www.football.london/fulham-fc/what-happened-40-signings-fulham-15440517

List of 40 players signed by Jovanovic. Baring in mind he had 100 mil to spend last summer.

How many signed by him ? There was a falling out at Fulham when a friend of the owners son was responsible for players, some sort of moneyball idea.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 12, 2019, 02:33:37 PM
Call me mad but i've just had £20 on Bilic to be next manager, 28-1 just screamed value for money bet to me!!  :-\

Your mad!
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Post by: BigFrank20 on March 12, 2019, 03:13:39 PM
Please, please, please not Moyes!  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on March 12, 2019, 03:32:57 PM
Sky Sports reporter on twitter saying that Alex Neil is a strong option.

I just find it bizarre that we have let DM go without really having anyone close to coming in to replace him.

Would have expected to see the new manager watching from the stands tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: darbolina on March 12, 2019, 03:49:02 PM
If we look at how we've handled head coach appointments over the past few years, does anything surprise anyone anymore when it comes to us? We just seem to lurch from one short term decision to the next........hoping it will work. Why should the next decision be any different?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on March 12, 2019, 03:54:01 PM
"Preston North End manager Alex Neil is a strong contender to fill the managerial vacancy at West Bromwich Albion, Sky Sports News understands.

https://t.co/4GBi9X8f26'

Anyone who's been keeping an eye on Preston over recent times have any thoughts on that? Could be smoke and mirrors to try and get Jovanivic to decrease his demands, or could be our plan B.

Update: Just had a look at the PNE forum and they seem to be absolutely cacking it at the prospect of AN leaving and saying measures should be put in place to keep him at all costs. Clearly is doing something very right there on a shoestring budget.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on March 12, 2019, 03:55:25 PM
plan? what plan? who is in charge of this fiasco?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 12, 2019, 03:58:51 PM
"Preston North End manager Alex Neil is a strong contender to fill the managerial vacancy at West Bromwich Albion, Sky Sports News understands.

https://t.co/4GBi9X8f26 (https://t.co/4GBi9X8f26)'

Anyone who's been keeping an eye on Preston over recent times have any thoughts on that? Could be smoke and mirrors to try and get Jovanivic to decrease his demands, or could be our plan B.


Dour/Dire


No thanks.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: hardtobeat on March 12, 2019, 04:05:42 PM
plan? what plan? who is in charge of this fiasco?
Totally agree as I previously said the decision was probably correct the timing certainly wasn't then to find Jenkins is still in China?? Surely at some point a CEO will want to interview any new management with time of the essence this is just plain barmy and non sensical. Can you still charge folk with dereliction of duty !!



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Post by: jim68 on March 12, 2019, 04:32:10 PM
Please, please, please not Moyes!  >:( >:( >:(
i hope not also nor redknapp :'(
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mikehy on March 12, 2019, 05:04:42 PM
i hope not also nor redknapp :'(
and definitely not allardyce or hughes
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on March 12, 2019, 06:15:07 PM
I'd consider Carlos Carvahal on short term basis.

He has experience of the championship and imo was very unlucky to get the boot at sw when they had lots of injuries.

He managed to get a new manager bounce initially at a doomed Swansea before their inherent problems resurfaced and got them relegated.


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Post by: frazzle on March 12, 2019, 06:45:37 PM
Should have the new manager in by now. This is a joke. How long did it take Leicester to sack Puel and appoint and get Rogers out of celtic.
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Post by: divinewind on March 12, 2019, 07:09:25 PM
Alex Neil looks interesting. Young at 37, Scottish, they make good no nonsense managers, played for lower league clubs, these make the best managers if you look at the top ones, and his management record is pretty decent.
I wouldn't be disappointed with him, but we never buy a managers contract out do we? So it will probably be Gary Hackett.
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Post by: gazberg on March 12, 2019, 07:37:17 PM
AN or SJ for me. Will probably be someone else cheap and available instead though.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 12, 2019, 07:40:01 PM
Why am I feeling we’re heading for another Alan Irvine esq appointment  :(
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiemart on March 12, 2019, 07:45:07 PM
Just seen on sky news that their sources are saying that Alex Neil is a very strong possiblity.  Then the next statement says , West Brom yet to make contact with Alex Neil.

It seems that this will go on longer than Brexit !!!

Bad planning by Albion. It looks like we will have an unknown temporary manager in charge for the next 2 games. Lose them both and we could be facing a massive fight just to stop in the play offs.

More important its 2 less games the new manager will have to get us promoted. 
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Post by: Mister AT on March 12, 2019, 07:57:22 PM
Wouldn’t be suprised if the Alex Neil story isn’t just made up by sky sports in under to get some betting going for it to then be dismissed. Tend to happen quite a lot with them.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: hardtobeat on March 12, 2019, 08:35:28 PM
I wouldn't be disappointed with him, but we never buy a managers contract out do we? So it will probably be Gary Hackett.
Stourbridge would want hefty compo ...............!!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 12, 2019, 10:04:00 PM
Keep waiting. This is the Albion management (yawn), we are talking about. So ponderous, procrastination is quicker.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: timdon on March 12, 2019, 10:17:26 PM

Dour/Dire


No thanks.
Not at all. Good man manager. Good motivator. Over achieved in all 3 of his managerial posts. Nevertheless, would be very surprised if it happens.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: KN22 on March 12, 2019, 10:46:29 PM
Let’s see what tomorrow brings and let’s remember it’s only 3 days since Darren Moore was fired.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on March 13, 2019, 12:39:09 AM
I agreed with DM removal after watching that Ipswich, performance but, now I am thinking it was a knee jerk reaction on my part because I honestly thought they would have someone lined up.

I don't believe we should give SJ a long term contract on £2m a year. If he has the hunger then he should take less on the basis he gets a big bonus on promotion.

I am glad that An is finally coming to the fore as I have admired the job he did at Norwich and now at Preston, with very limited resources at the latter.

He is still relatively young and hungry too.
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Post by: chipperclark on March 13, 2019, 04:26:24 AM
 :D 2 mill for SJ is peanuts lets pay it and get on with it. Most of our players are on more than this FFS!!!!!!

Can't we just get the right man and give him an 18 month contract....all this Fafffing around is pointless.

We need someone in now for our last 10 games, so we don't slide down to mid-table.

WE ALWAYS DO THIS TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE CLUB AND FAN BASE. Surely they had their man picked before Big Dave got the flick?? OMG
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Post by: Standaman on March 13, 2019, 06:44:03 AM
:D 2 mill for SJ is peanuts lets pay it and get on with it. Most of our players are on more than this FFS!!!!!!

Can't we just get the right man and give him an 18 month contract....all this Fafffing around is pointless.

We need someone in now for our last 10 games, so we don't slide down to mid-table.

WE ALWAYS DO THIS TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE CLUB AND FAN BASE. Surely they had their man picked before Big Dave got the flick?? OMG


1. None of our players earn this.

2. If we don't get promoted we cannot afford this next season and certainly not the year after. Even if we sack him don't forget we end up paying the contract up.

3. While we might have sounded him out but we cannot formally offer him the job hence the current impasse

4. The only way we could pay him anywhere near this is heavily load the payments as a promotion bonus but apparently he wants a hefty bonus in addition to this ridiculous base in the context of the Championship.

5. I told you this guy is was high maintaince and he is screwing us over before he has even joined

6. He is not that good for this money to work you have to pretty much gaurentee that he will get us promoted during the lifetime of the contract which of course is not possible.

7. Time to move on.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 13, 2019, 06:51:38 AM
Is Mourinho fixeed up yet?  ???
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Post by: sammyg on March 13, 2019, 06:56:07 AM
Must say I’m warming to the idea of getting Alex Neil from Preston. Didn’t realise he was only 37. Doubt we’ll go for him as that’ll mean the club PAYING another club for their mananger :o :o :o
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Post by: Sted1990 on March 13, 2019, 08:04:43 AM
Must say I’m warming to the idea of getting Alex Neil from Preston. Didn’t realise he was only 37. Doubt we’ll go for him as that’ll mean the club PAYING another club for their mananger :o :o :o

I would take him, done very well at Preston
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Post by: seteefeet on March 13, 2019, 08:46:45 AM
Perhaps Chris Brunt could be on the interview panel so he can tell the new bloke what style of football to play. Or, if he's so savvy, just give him the hecking job.
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Post by: Mister AT on March 13, 2019, 08:51:07 AM
Must say I’m warming to the idea of getting Alex Neil from Preston. Didn’t realise he was only 37. Doubt we’ll go for him as that’ll mean the club PAYING another club for their mananger :o :o :o

Think it would be too complicated to get him in at this stage of the season. Think Preston are within touching distance of the playoffs, so they would be more than happy to kick up a fuss to keep him. The only way that one happens is if Neil pushed for the move.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 13, 2019, 08:51:26 AM
Not sure if anyone feels the same or if its just me but i couldnt care less who our new manager is!

Its a weird feeling because normally a new manager is an exciting time, you think how will they play, who will they buy, what will they do for the club but this time round i have none of that excitement whatsoever.

I think due to the Albions past track record i feel it doesnt really matter who we get, they are not going to be here for long term or be able to implement any real change so nothing to really get excited about.

Putting a non fan head on i suppose Jokanovic would seem the best fit as their is potential to play better football (if given time) and he has a couple of promotions which gets the club to the greed league.

However i really am not bothered, bring back a managerial dream team of the Alans - Pardew and Irvine for all i care!

Its a horrible horrible feeling.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on March 13, 2019, 08:55:22 AM
Perhaps Chris Brunt could be on the interview panel so he can tell the new bloke what style of football to play. Or, if he's so savvy, just give him the hecking job.

No that never ever works  ;)
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Post by: ex coseley kid on March 13, 2019, 08:57:23 AM
Think it would be too complicated to get him in at this stage of the season. Think Preston are within touching distance of the playoffs, so they would be more than happy to kick up a fuss to keep him. The only way that one happens is if Neil pushed for the move.

Don't see why he'd leave a club on the way up for one on the way down.

Any manager/ coach worth his salt would look at our track record for short termism and steer well clear. Is Jenkins is Theresa May in disguise?
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Post by: Sted1990 on March 13, 2019, 09:06:48 AM
Newspapers reporting Jokanovic interest has cooled.
There’s a suprise
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Post by: Mister AT on March 13, 2019, 09:07:37 AM
Not sure if anyone feels the same or if its just me but i couldnt care less who our new manager is!

Its a weird feeling because normally a new manager is an exciting time, you think how will they play, who will they buy, what will they do for the club but this time round i have none of that excitement whatsoever.

I think due to the Albions past track record i feel it doesnt really matter who we get, they are not going to be here for long term or be able to implement any real change so nothing to really get excited about.

Putting a non fan head on i suppose Jokanovic would seem the best fit as their is potential to play better football (if given time) and he has a couple of promotions which gets the club to the greed league.

However i really am not bothered, bring back a managerial dream team of the Alans - Pardew and Irvine for all i care!

Its a horrible horrible feeling.

I don't really see how we can play any better than we have tried to at times this season. We have tried all season to play out from the back, beat the press and get the attackers against the defenders, that is a similar style to Jokanovic. He would only be able to implent it better if he was given money to bring in his own players, which we have already seen this summer, isn't likely to happen (the squad is full of loanees and freebies).


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Post by: seteefeet on March 13, 2019, 09:08:38 AM
Not sure if anyone feels the same or if its just me but i couldnt care less who our new manager is!

Its a weird feeling because normally a new manager is an exciting time, you think how will they play, who will they buy, what will they do for the club but this time round i have none of that excitement whatsoever.

I think due to the Albions past track record i feel it doesnt really matter who we get, they are not going to be here for long term or be able to implement any real change so nothing to really get excited about.

Putting a non fan head on i suppose Jokanovic would seem the best fit as their is potential to play better football (if given time) and he has a couple of promotions which gets the club to the greed league.

However i really am not bothered, bring back a managerial dream team of the Alans - Pardew and Irvine for all i care!

Its a horrible horrible feeling.
Same.
I've looked forward to every game this season, really got my mojo back after Pulis. Even though we were pants a lot of the time, I always felt we could win a game and, even when we didn't, I felt we could win the next one.
As it is now, I just can't get up for tonight's game. It just feels like we are in limbo again.
There's no sign of a new manager or any obvious signs of a plan from the board.
Whoever it is will have to do it with no money.

Biggest worry for me, especially hearing Brunt's comments, is that the board accept that we have footballers who, by their own admission it would seem, cannot play football, so we pick someone who will go back to a Pulis style of play.
If this happens, I really am done.
For all Moore's failings, and I agree there were many, what he gave me was hope! Hope that we could go back to being a team known for playing football, with players who get you off your seat, exciting to watch, true entertainment. No-one can argue that, at times, especially when Barnes was around, we have had that this season, albeit too fleetingly.
Time will tell if the next incumbent will pick up the baton and carry us forward in this mould but, I fear, the board will get it wrong and take another 2 steps back.
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Post by: Mister AT on March 13, 2019, 09:11:19 AM
Newspapers reporting Jokanovic interest has cooled.
There’s a suprise

I still think we will end up with a temporary manager and look to get a permanent manager in the summer. I have a feeling the club want Wagner, he wouldn't be my choice personally.

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Post by: AlbionFan on March 13, 2019, 09:28:59 AM
Newspapers reporting Jokanovic interest has cooled.
There’s a suprise

Feigning disinterest is part of the skilled negotiators tool kit and I’m sure we’ve all employed it at some point when buying and selling. Well, I hope it is a strategy on his part.  :D
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Post by: Albion79 on March 13, 2019, 09:36:05 AM
The obvious solution and before any terms, contract, etc are discussed with potential managers is get them to the training ground.

Have a day where any potential managers present their ideas to the players (maybe spread it over 2 days, dont want to risk confusing the lads with too many ideas)

Then get brunty and the lads to sit down and discuss which one they most likely will fancy trying and playing for (most likely, there are no guarentees, the lads may not fancy it after a bit the poor things).

Then go to the board and say they have decided its (name of manager) the one they have chosen to be their manager and can the board sort it out.
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Post by: NJS on March 13, 2019, 09:59:36 AM
I get the feeling that Jokanovic is the type of person that will make increasing demands from the board in terms of salary, players etc.  If he wants £2M in the Championship what would be his demands if we managed to get in the Premiere League?

Also given the very strange player recruitment we suffered under Pardew + Hammond,  I would prefer that there was some independence/distance in the relationship  between manager and director of football.

I'm doubtful we'll get Neil but I'd prefer him to SJ.  Don't rule out a surprise - and not a nice one.

I have a left field idea that our performances dropped off when Jones lost interest after being approached by Luton and Big Dave was left to manage on his own.  Still: there was  no point in sacking him if they hadn't got anybody else lined up.  It's a farce but we're not the only club to go through managers like cycle inner tubes.
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Post by: phbaggies on March 13, 2019, 10:14:56 AM
My £20 on Bilic at 28-1 is still in with a shout  ;D
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Post by: eaststandbaggie on March 13, 2019, 10:20:47 AM
Not sure if anyone feels the same or if its just me but i couldnt care less who our new manager is!

Its a weird feeling because normally a new manager is an exciting time, you think how will they play, who will they buy, what will they do for the club but this time round i have none of that excitement whatsoever.

I think due to the Albions past track record i feel it doesnt really matter who we get, they are not going to be here for long term or be able to implement any real change so nothing to really get excited about.

Putting a non fan head on i suppose Jokanovic would seem the best fit as their is potential to play better football (if given time) and he has a couple of promotions which gets the club to the greed league.

However i really am not bothered, bring back a managerial dream team of the Alans - Pardew and Irvine for all i care!

Its a horrible horrible feeling.


The first time in supporting the baggies since the early 60s like Albion 79 I could not give 2 f—ks Who the next manger is.Its a horrible feeling.
But who ever he is will be gone is 12 months
The club stinks at the moment.From a Chinese owner who know f—ck all about football not interested in learning.Is upset Because is nice little earner has gone down the tubes and set in panic moves to rectify.As soon as the reason is over he will look to get another buyer.
Then the players in their comfortable world where they earn more in a week and nurses do in a years.Never busting a gut ambling their way on the field on the bench very breaking into a sweat.
Wearing the same shirt as Bomber,Cyrille,The King,John Kaye,Laurie
I am this brigade of pound shop fusiliers are not fit to wear the shirt that was worn the illustrious players of the past.
They are to busy planning of how to get rid of the next manager if we wants to play in a different way and they do not like it.
No something died inside players and management have stolen my baggies
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Post by: tuamigos on March 13, 2019, 10:21:50 AM
My £20 on Bilic at 28-1 is still in with a shout  ;D

I can see this stretching out until at least the end of the early bird season ticket offer finishes with a few more 'celebrity' names added in for good measure
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Post by: tuamigos on March 13, 2019, 10:29:07 AM
Carvalhal and Moyes now 'serious' candidates according to it.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/03/13/report-west-brom-considering-carlos-carvalhal-and-david-moyes-wi/

Didn't Moyes knock us back before when his stock was higher?
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 13, 2019, 11:03:04 AM
Carvalhal and Moyes now 'serious' candidates according to it.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/03/13/report-west-brom-considering-carlos-carvalhal-and-david-moyes-wi/

Didn't Moyes knock us back before when his stock was higher?
yes, I said this earlier, didn't he basically sneer and roll his eyes at the thought of lil old WBA after the heights of Manure?
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Post by: Mister AT on March 13, 2019, 11:06:40 AM
I said earlier in the thread I have a feeling it will be Moyes if they can convince him.

He'll have it till end of the season, if he gets us promoted then great, if he doesn't he walks away and then we can get Wagner/Neil or whoever in the summer.

Carvahal could be a good shout too, not that I would have him, but can see why the board may consider him, experience in the championship and the playoffs etc.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 13, 2019, 11:17:48 AM
If this report is true the board should get Moore back then all resign one by one.
What was the point in removing Moore from his duties then appointing an Academy coach as manager until the end of the season?

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/reliable-journalist-issues-important-update-on-west-broms-managerial-hunt/

If Smith was the issue they should have just got rid of him
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Post by: timdon on March 13, 2019, 11:39:59 AM
If this report is true the board should get Moore back then all resign one by one.
What was the point in removing Moore from his duties then appointing an Academy coach as manager until the end of the season?

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/reliable-journalist-issues-important-update-on-west-broms-managerial-hunt/

If Smith was the issue they should have just got rid of him
As in alias Smith and Jones?
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 13, 2019, 11:55:20 AM
As in alias Smith and Jones?
Pete Duel's dead, but maybe Ben Murphy is available?
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 13, 2019, 11:58:17 AM
Whoever is being courted for the job needs to be given a clear indication of transfer budgets which will be available, for the Premier League, and for the Championship.
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Post by: baggieboyfred on March 13, 2019, 12:12:40 PM
very concerned to hear that the board had no plan B and have given james Shan the opportunity to get a couple of results and keep the caretaker/managers job to the end of the season , what happens if he makes it to Wembley, will they offer him the job full time irrespective of whether we go up or not.
one thing for dead certain is that unless he alters the tactics and gets 6 points , sacking Big Dave would seem a pointless exercise, to be honest  I would rather have took our chances with Big Dave , till the end of the season  and get a new guy in  close season , who can get working on the wholesale changes we will need to make to get into and stay in the premiership
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 13, 2019, 12:41:00 PM
I suspect that the proven candidates being mentioned in connection with the vacancy, will all expect to be remunerated in the region of £2m.

Would David Moyes, ex Everton, Manchester United, Real Sociedad, Sunderland and West Ham United come for less?

Would Sam Allardyce, ex Bolton Wanderers, Newcastle United, Blackburn Rovers, West Ham United, Sunderland, England, Crystal Palace, Everton, Bolton Wanderers, come for less?

The list of candidates with reasonable CV's who would want £2+ goes on, including Jokanovic

That leaves us with those desperate for the job and with not such impressive CV's

1. Neil (may not be desperate)
2. McInnes
3. Rowett
4. Carvalhal
5. Hughes
6. Appleton

The school of thought that Jokanovic is expensive and would be paid more than players is flawed in my view. I'm not an accountant, but as I understand it, for tax purposes, players have a book value, which is written down over time and allows us a tax benefit on an loss of value.

So, surely a players value to the club including wages would be a loss more than £2m a year to the club and continues to diminish during his employment with us. I understand we can sell the asset and realise a cash value, which we would be taxed on and may or may offset loses, but if his market value diminishes for whatever reason, we could have lost more heavily than taking a punt on Jokanovic.

The above probably doesn't make sense to a qualified accountant, but I hope I've explained a point of view, which could also be flawed regarding the loss incurred by players as well as a Head Coach that I think, from my logic, would be less than a player. if we have an accountant on the forum, perhaps he / she would comment on my theory?
 
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Post by: Albion79 on March 13, 2019, 01:19:02 PM
Far from it tipton throstle, i dont moan or groan more than any other fan, it would seem some other fans agree too, you seem very quick to try and shut down anybody who has a different view to you which could be labelled, pathetic?

You dont have to agree with my opinion, i dont really care either way, but our fans and board keep requesting changes, then when they dont work perfectly want managers sacked every six months (not all fans)

This isnt based in darren moores sacking alone, we have sacked 3 managers in 18 months, 4 of our last 5 managers have been sacked in less than 8 months (they arent opinions they are facts)

The evidence shows that we either are poor at appointing managers which doesnt inspire confidence for the next person or when we do appoint them we get rid of them at the first sign of trouble, so on that basis, no i dont care who the manager is because there is a 80% chance they wont be here by xmas anyway judging by our track record.

As stated elsewhere, should we give a manager a three and half year deal and its made clear players do it their way or the players go then i would be a lot more interested, but again based on past evidence that is unlikely to happen and its the manager likely to be going, not the players.

If jimmy shan remains in charge (and i wish him well as a loyal albion servant) the first team coach in the supposed failings of moore, it clearly shows that as a club there is no plan in place, its scattergun, hope something sticks and so i have little faith whoever does get the job will be given time to have any real impact anyway.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 13, 2019, 01:23:45 PM
Cut the pathetic comments stuff please folks
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Post by: walter baggie on March 13, 2019, 02:06:17 PM
Carvalhal and Moyes now 'serious' candidates according to it.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/03/13/report-west-brom-considering-carlos-carvalhal-and-david-moyes-wi/

Didn't Moyes knock us back before when his stock was higher?

Carvalhal did well at Swansea had a bit of a bounce ,but still got relegated ,but did well in this division with shelf wed !!
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Post by: bangeminbob on March 13, 2019, 03:04:43 PM
There’s only one in my opinion Jose moriniho see how good a manger he is with this lot.
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Post by: miggybaggy on March 13, 2019, 03:47:46 PM
Anyone holding their breath for an announcement prior to the game later?.....Me neither!!  :D
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Post by: BoingFlyer on March 13, 2019, 03:54:23 PM
Has sacking Moore in the fashion we did put off new managers? Who would want to take the poised chalice now we are nobodies preferred team to win the playoffs. According to some, we have the best team in the league so it should be dead easy to get automatic or win the playoffs especially as we have a decent run in, the susurelyny half competent manager can do this?

(Some of this may be tongue in cheek, but my point stands why are they not beating our door down)
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Post by: NathWBA on March 13, 2019, 04:08:26 PM
If this report is true the board should get Moore back then all resign one by one.
What was the point in removing Moore from his duties then appointing an Academy coach as manager until the end of the season?

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/reliable-journalist-issues-important-update-on-west-broms-managerial-hunt/

If Smith was the issue they should have just got rid of him
I struggle to see the argument that jones was the issue, at the end of the day Moore was number 1, only he can allow his number 2 to have such an influence.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 13, 2019, 04:09:43 PM
It may be we are holding out for Wagner in the summer but i am not sure he would join even if we were in the premier league.

His stock is pretty high at the moment, he was linked with the Leicester job not long ago, he did miracles at Huddersfield and probably left at the right time but even if we did go up and he did join, he would be faced with a similar type job he had at Huddersfield so i am not really sure its a career progression for him.

I would be surprised if Moyes was interested, if it had been after his time at Sunderland he may of been interested it but he rebuilt his reputation at West Ham and again i would imagine could probably target better jobs than a promotion chasing club or newly promoted club (a brighton or burnley type job, not necessarily them but clubs of their standing) I would put Allardyce in the same catergory too.

We probably do need somebody who has a track record of decent football and if they come in now or if we dont go up, somebody who has a promotion pedigree, it may buy them more time than previous managers and if that is the case Jokanovic seems the standout realistic one but he doesnt stay at clubs long, often of his own accord.

The big worry is we go for a name who has struggled at numerous clubs, ie - Mark Hughes.
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Post by: eaststandbaggie on March 13, 2019, 04:24:00 PM
What have they done to my beautiful Baggies
Sack the manager without a clue who to replace him with.
Put Shan in charge for the rest of the season.
We are the laughing stock of the league again.
Bet the Dogheads are loving this
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Post by: staticboy on March 13, 2019, 04:28:09 PM
Is he the right man for our Precious?
What would Bilbo Baggies-ins think?
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Post by: SirTonyM on March 13, 2019, 04:35:32 PM
I disagreed with Moore’s sacking entirely. The only way the board could justify it was to have a replacement ready to go. The whole thing is baffling but then again it’s West Bromwich Albion. The reason given my Moore’s sacking (or implied reason) was we have to go up this season due to finances. Why take this time to mess around.
I don’t have much hope the people running the club know what they are doing. Before Moore we have had Pardew, Pulis, Pepe Mel and Alan Irvine...
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Post by: Smethwickender93 on March 13, 2019, 04:40:39 PM
I can see Big Sam coming in till the end of the season
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Post by: divinewind on March 13, 2019, 05:00:38 PM
I can see Big Sam coming in till the end of the season

I hope you're not a Clairvoyant.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 13, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
I can see Big Sam coming in till the end of the season

I can't. I get the distinct impression that Big Sam hates us!
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Post by: Mo on March 13, 2019, 05:15:44 PM
Anyone holding their breath for an announcement prior to the game later?.....Me neither!!  :D

A cynic might say they will do it after to avoid any negativity in the stadium . Especially if it’s as underwhelming as an Appleton for example .
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Post by: baggyman68 on March 13, 2019, 06:46:17 PM
Has Jakanovich turned us down then?
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Post by: Baggies on March 13, 2019, 06:59:06 PM
What is becoming clear is that the club had no plan in place when they sacked Moore. They could see the risk of us not getting promotion, they know we have made no steps towards long term planning, they could see that (despite the pre January results) we had rarely looked good this season or dominated a game and they could see the direction we were going in results wise, but they still haven't had a plan bubbling under the surface. Had we made a quick move for somebody, promotion may well have been a possibility, but the sideshiw we are seeing now sums us up.

This just shows how deep the clubs problems are.

There are a number of other clubs fans (and journalists) whi have said they really hope we get relegated from the championship next summer, and while i really want us to prove them wrong and show we made the right call, it's starting to look like we are a bit of a Sunderland. Worrying.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 13, 2019, 07:38:50 PM
Has Jakanovich turned us down then?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/west-brom-manager-latest-slavisa-14130878.amp
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 13, 2019, 07:48:13 PM
What is becoming clear is that the club had no plan in place when they sacked Moore. They could see the risk of us not getting promotion, they know we have made no steps towards long term planning, they could see that (despite the pre January results) we had rarely looked good this season or dominated a game and they could see the direction we were going in results wise, but they still haven't had a plan bubbling under the surface. Had we made a quick move for somebody, promotion may well have been a possibility, but the sideshiw we are seeing now sums us up.

This just shows how deep the clubs problems are.

There are a number of other clubs fans (and journalists) whi have said they really hope we get relegated from the championship next summer, and while i really want us to prove them wrong and show we made the right call, it's starting to look like we are a bit of a Sunderland. Worrying.

We are nothing like a Sunderland.  They went down with around £200m
of debt
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Post by: Baggy nerd on March 13, 2019, 07:50:22 PM
If we haven't approached him yet and he is apparently on the wanted list, it suggests we are no further forward than still thinking about who we want. If so, this is crazy! There is a chance we could do well under Shan, but it is a major gamble putting him in for crucial matches. It looks like we wont be sorting it out until the international break.
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Post by: johnnyg on March 13, 2019, 10:30:55 PM
So..... what about if James Shan wins again at Brentford on Saturday ? How far-fetched would it be to let him in charge for the last 8 games ??   Not so far-fetched I would think.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 13, 2019, 10:33:30 PM
So..... what about if James Shan wins again at Brentford on Saturday ? How far-fetched would it be to let him in charge for the last 8 games ??   Not so far-fetched I would think.


The club would get absolute pelters, especially if we don't win the play offs.


Still nothing would surprise me regards Jenkins.
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Post by: The Black Pearl on March 13, 2019, 10:36:35 PM
So..... what about if James Shan wins again at Brentford on Saturday ? How far-fetched would it be to let him in charge for the last 8 games ??   Not so far-fetched I would think.

If he wins on Saturday, I'm not sure there is much point in appointing a new manager, we may as well play to our strengths for the rest of the season, where ever that takes us.
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Post by: johnnyg on March 13, 2019, 10:39:53 PM
I think James Shan showed himself to be tactically astute this evening.  Whereas DM was strictly 4-3-3 and the top 3 stayed upfield all game, JRod and Murphy definitely played deeper for large chunks of the game tonight when we were defending.
 
And he had the good sense to swap Gayle into a central role.

He also made an noticeable tactical adjustment at half time - it was obvious during the first half the Swansea were creating havoc in the space between our midfield and back four. But that threat almost completely disappeared in the second half, due to Shan adjusting where Brunt/Livermore spent most of their time.
Well done James Shan. You played the proverbial blinder this evening.
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Post by: Scooby Doo on March 13, 2019, 11:01:59 PM
Go and get Jokanovic. Make him the highest paid person in the club if we have too. What role is more important than the managers position? Proven track record at this level, fantastic style of football. Absolute no brainer.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 13, 2019, 11:04:24 PM
Go and get Jokanovic. Make him the highest paid person in the club if we have too. What role is more important than the managers position? Proven track record at this level, fantastic style of football. Absolute no brainer.


Amen to that Scoob.  ;D
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on March 13, 2019, 11:06:47 PM
If we haven't approached him yet and he is apparently on the wanted list, it suggests we are no further forward than still thinking about who we want. If so, this is crazy! There is a chance we could do well under Shan, but it is a major gamble putting him in for crucial matches. It looks like we wont be sorting it out until the international break.

I think I read we were speaking to his agent so technically I suppose you could argue we haven't formally approached him?

Someone said tonight we have been put off by him being paid by Fulham still and would owe them compensation and the same with Wagner. Someone didn't do their research...
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Post by: Scooby Doo on March 13, 2019, 11:08:49 PM

Amen to that Scoob.  ;D

There was a five live piece back a long time ago when Rafa Benitez was on silly money in The Championship. But how they said surely it makes more sense to pay big money to the person in the most pivotal role. Especially given the riches up for grabs with regards to promotion. Think he was about the 5th highest paid in England at the time.

Not saying do that with Jokanovic, but if he wants £40k a week give it too. Barry's on God knows what!
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 13, 2019, 11:13:27 PM
Mears, Hoolahan and Myhill between them will be almost on that, and look at their contribution...
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Post by: OldburyWBA on March 13, 2019, 11:28:21 PM
No formal talks with Jokanovic as of yet, believed he is waiting to hear if we are interested and he would be happy to listen

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/west-brom-manager-latest-slavisa-14130878

Get the bloke in.
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Post by: Standaman on March 13, 2019, 11:29:26 PM
We can't afford to pay anyone £40k in the Championship.

 Jokanovic is not worth it. He is probably the best candidate but just because he was successful at Fulham does not mean to say he can replicate it with us. The coach is not the be all and end all. Paying him what he wants will cost us an additional player next year and bear in mind the squad will be trimmed back in any event.
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Post by: Scooby Doo on March 13, 2019, 11:36:12 PM
We can't afford to pay anyone £40k in the Championship.

 Jokanovic is not worth it. He is probably the best candidate but just because he was successful at Fulham does not mean to say he can replicate it with us. The coach is not the be all and end all. Paying him what he wants will cost us an additional player next year and bear in mind the squad will be trimmed back in any event.

I'm sorry but that will be the case with whoever we appoint. 40k was a ball park figure to be honest. I'd genuinely happily put him on parity with our highest earning player though.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 13, 2019, 11:40:03 PM
We can't afford to pay anyone £40k in the Championship.

 Jokanovic is not worth it. He is probably the best candidate but just because he was successful at Fulham does not mean to say he can replicate it with us. The coach is not the be all and end all. Paying him what he wants will cost us an additional player next year and bear in mind the squad will be trimmed back in any event.


Can't agree Stan, I'm yet to hear one other name I'd be satisfied with while SJ is available.
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Post by: geoff on March 14, 2019, 12:49:35 AM
Like ive said before our next manager will need to rebuild our squad & there in lies the hard choice
1/ A manager who with experience will demand the funds to rebuild it with quality signings or
2/ A manager to build a team on youth at a lower cost in transfer fee's & wages.
I think our owners want us back in the prem ASP but i cant see them funding that squad.
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Post by: Blowee on March 14, 2019, 06:52:43 AM
Like ive said before our next manager will need to rebuild our squad & there in lies the hard choice
1/ A manager who with experience will demand the funds to rebuild it with quality signings or
2/ A manager to build a team on youth at a lower cost in transfer fee's & wages.
I think our owners want us back in the prem ASP but i cant see them funding that squad.
Agreed but my fear is that they will be happy with a short term solution of just get promoted regardless of what happens next season. As long as we get the money and parachute payments following relegation then there's no need for a long term plan.
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Post by: Uncle Peter on March 14, 2019, 07:01:01 AM
I can see if Shan gets a few more good rsults people will be wanting him to get the job like they did with Moore.
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Post by: BB74 on March 14, 2019, 07:30:57 AM
I can see if Shan gets a few more good rsults people will be wanting him to get the job like they did with Moore.

Just said the same to my brother. Then 12 months times we would be in the same position.
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Post by: Uncle Peter on March 14, 2019, 07:35:43 AM
Just said the same to my brother. Then 12 months times we would be in the same position.

It's sad what happened to him, I said at the time he wasn't the right person for the job - picking up the pieces after Pardew/Pulis, giving the guys a bounce is going to be much easier as there's zero pressure. When it's your team/players (to a certain extent) it's not going to be anywhere near as easy.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 14, 2019, 11:02:41 AM
Reading today's press releases and according to some we haven't even been in touch with Jokanovic
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Post by: Atomic on March 14, 2019, 11:03:53 AM
Reading today's press releases and according to some we haven't even been in touch with Jokanovic


I don't think the press know anything to be honest.
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Post by: BB74 on March 14, 2019, 12:05:41 PM
I always used to see the search for a new Manager as exciting and somewhat the start of a new dawn.

Each search has been an anti-climax now for me since the appointment of Steve Clarke.
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Post by: BigFrank20 on March 14, 2019, 12:12:47 PM
I can see if Shan gets a few more good rsults people will be wanting him to get the job like they did with Moore.
The thing is though that people don't get to make the decision do they?
We have to rely on a select and small group that many of us have very little confidence in to make the right decision and not be swayed by sentiment but who we all suspect will be swayed by the bottom line on a spread sheet!
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Post by: robbo_wba on March 14, 2019, 12:13:12 PM
Karanka has been interviewed but don't know any more than that. Probably one of many.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 14, 2019, 12:50:54 PM
Karakna would be a terrible appointment and would be a return to the Pulis day.

Those days that we tried to avoid under Moore. It would waste the last 8 months or so.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 14, 2019, 12:55:42 PM
Got a feeling its going to be Alex Neil and I am not really sure how I will feel about that. Promoted with Norwich then relegated, sacked when Norwich mid table in the championship then flying with Preston now but were bottom earlier in the season.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 14, 2019, 01:34:18 PM
Needs to be sorted by the end of the international break, no one from within either. if we are going to make the plays off and be successful we need a run of good performances and results to see us through the three games. the players need to get on board with new mans ideas
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 14, 2019, 01:36:55 PM
I reckon Jokanovic will be announced over the weekend.
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Post by: mr multivac on March 14, 2019, 02:43:34 PM
A good coach is the be all and end all a good coach can turn an average team into a good team whilst a poor coach can wreck a good  team . No  bodie has a magic wand
But the players need to not only have respect for n
Manager but they need to see that he knows what he’s doing  and buy into it
U only have to look at Leeds norwich and she’d Utd to see that
On paper there teams are no where as good as ours bit
They play  to a system believe in it play for each other and there coaching
team , we need to bring in a manager capable of all that and more
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Post by: Albion79 on March 14, 2019, 03:25:45 PM
According to Matt Wilson no appointment will be made before the international break so Shan is in charge the weekend, it also appears there never was anybody lined up to take over from Moore so for the sacking to take place without someone lined up maybe there was more unrest behind the scenes than we know about as its an even bigger risk leaving Moores inexperienced first team coach in charge (nothing against Shan i hope he does well, seems a top bloke too)

The cynic in me thinks that we will beat Brentford saturday and an announcement will be made over the international break (possibly the day of one of the England game to bury the news) that Shan is going to be in charge for the rest of the season.

Again the cynic in me thinks that maybe this will suit the players and was part of the plan -

- if we go up their salaries go up 50% and there will be a clamour for Shan to get it permanent, meaning more of the same, a nice comfortable life for the players as they dont like too much change as we have seen.

- if we dont go up, Shan probably becomes the fall guy and some of them get moves anyway which will involve bigger wages and signing on fees, and the rest of the squad will know this is about their level now anyway and they get another year in the championship, win win either way for most of the squad.

Never thought i would be so cynical about the Albion but after this group have got three managers sacked in 18 months its caused that, once - these things happen, twice - its careless, three times - there is something not quite right!

I hope i am wrong about the above and we do appoint a new manager with Jokanovic seeming to be the best candidate, he doesnt stay at clubs very long and we dont keep managers very long - perfect match!
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Post by: SirTonyM on March 14, 2019, 03:33:27 PM
According to Matt Wilson no appointment will be made before the international break so Shan is in charge the weekend, it also appears there never was anybody lined up to take over from Moore so for the sacking to take place without someone lined up maybe there was more unrest behind the scenes than we know about as its an even bigger risk leaving Moores inexperienced first team coach in charge (nothing against Shan i hope he does well, seems a top bloke too)

The cynic in me thinks that we will beat Brentford saturday and an announcement will be made over the international break (possibly the day of one of the England game to bury the news) that Shan is going to be in charge for the rest of the season.

Again the cynic in me thinks that maybe this will suit the players and was part of the plan -

- if we go up their salaries go up 50% and there will be a clamour for Shan to get it permanent, meaning more of the same, a nice comfortable life for the players as they dont like too much change as we have seen.

- if we dont go up, Shan probably becomes the fall guy and some of them get moves anyway which will involve bigger wages and signing on fees, and the rest of the squad will know this is about their level now anyway and they get another year in the championship, win win either way for most of the squad.

Never thought i would be so cynical about the Albion but after this group have got three managers sacked in 18 months its caused that, once - these things happen, twice - its careless, three times - there is something not quite right!

I hope i am wrong about the above and we do appoint a new manager with Jokanovic seeming to be the best candidate, he doesnt stay at clubs very long and we dont keep managers very long - perfect match!

An Albion fan and a cynic, don’t they now go hand in hand in light of the events of the past few years...
Most of the time our players aren’t happy. Tony made them run up hills and his training was too formulaic and repetitive. Alan (although it’s still baffles me we appointed him) tried to change things too quickly and people never bought into it. Darren tried to get us to play too much football...
I think our manegerial appointments leave a lot to be desired but if the squad is as good as people say then they should take some criticism as they are underperforming too.
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Post by: SmethDan on March 14, 2019, 03:45:09 PM
Needs to be sorted by the end of the international break, no one from within either. if we are going to make the plays off and be successful we need a run of good performances and results to see us through the three games. the players need to get on board with new mans ideas

Ideally it should be sorted prior to the international break but probably won't. The newbie would then get the international break to work with any players who aren't away with their respective countries. I'd imagine Hegazi and Johansen will be away with Egypt and Norway. Meanwhile Sam Field's away with the England under 20's and Rekeem Harper's in the under 19's.
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Post by: SmethDan on March 14, 2019, 03:51:24 PM
......Darren tried to get us to play too much football.......

I don't think too much football was the problem so much as where (and how) much of the football was being played.
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Post by: SirTonyM on March 14, 2019, 04:48:40 PM
I don't think too much football was the problem so much as where (and how) much of the football was being played.

It was tongue in cheek in the sense that no matter what style / who manager the players haven’t been able to adapt and there’s always some reason.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 14, 2019, 04:50:21 PM
It was tongue in cheek in the sense that no matter what style / who manager the players haven’t been able to adapt and there’s always some reason.


They adapted to Moore's tactics fine and nearly pulled off the greatest escape. Jones' not so much.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 14, 2019, 05:22:07 PM
This is why i think whoever the manager is doesnt matter to an extent because with this group they are limited what they can do.

When Moore came in the club was in a mess, fans were staying away, the football was awful and we were going down with a whimper. He came in, spread some positivity, made us more organised and harder to beat and we ground out some results, the end game was we still got relegated but with a bit of pride and faith restored.

This season the objective was different, as a newly relegated team with our supposed stars the onus was on us to win games, he said that himself, if he had set us up to play this season the same way we finished last he wouldnt of made it to Xmas, the fans had seen enough safe and cautious football to last a life time and with us now being a big fish in a small pond in the championship instead of a small fish in a big pond in the premier league, expectations were different. I think had Rowett tried to show some signs of positive football at Stoke he may of got longer but as they were that boring and tedious, the fans turned and the board acted, i think Moore would of been the same.

There were a lot of positives to his spell, we are second highest scorers in the league and he had a 50% win rate so that suggests that the approach to games had changed and was working to a certain extent.

I think a combination of him not adapting his tactics and formations enough, the pace and energy of the championship catching up with our ageing squad and the fact our players have history in recent seasons of bottling big games when they matter was his downfall.

In a strange way this squad may of been suited to better to the premier league this season because they could play safety first football, there isnt a pressure to win games, its just to survive. I think last night showed that take them back to basics and they are fine, it wasnt pretty but it was effective, thats fine for a bit but the Albion fans are an expectant bunch, especially at this level and they voted with their feet last season and so whoever came in had to try and change that as fans wouldnt put up with boring football. (It helped last night that Swansea were one of the most open teams to play at the Hawthorns this season so it made it a decent game)

This group of players have shown they either cannot change too much or wont change too much, probably a combination of the two so you either bring in coach to suit the players which will probably mean basic boring football but not to the extreme of Pulis or you bring in a coach who wants to revamp the players and style, a bit of a revolution, however that will take time and i am not sure anybody will get that time.
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Post by: BalisPen on March 14, 2019, 07:37:54 PM
Imo we should get in Carvahal on a short term deal with a big bonus for going up and then get Neil in as the long term manager.

He impressed me at Norwich and this season he had lots of injuries at Preston but turned things around brilliantly.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 14, 2019, 08:00:11 PM
Imo we should get in Carvahal on a short term deal with a big bonus for going up and then get Neil in as the long term manager.

He impressed me at Norwich and this season he had lots of injuries at Preston but turned things around brilliantly.


What a relief you're not part of the decision making process.
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Post by: BalisPen on March 14, 2019, 09:11:34 PM

What a relief you're not part of the decision making process.

And your knowledge goes as far as to jump up and down. on the SJ bandwagon because he is the obvious choice..

Very insightful and inspiring choice he is.

He is not worth £2m a year in the championship and is temperamental.

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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 14, 2019, 09:27:04 PM
And your knowledge goes as far as to jump up and down. on the SJ bandwagon because he is the obvious choice..

Very insightful and inspiring choice he is.

He is not worth £2m a year in the championship and is temperamental.


Jokanovic is by some distance the best choice, and mimicking Standamans reservations doesn't display any great insight. Anyone who would advocate Carvahal under any conditions with his track record is following the wrong sport. As for Alex Neil, I've had my fill of dour Scots with no previous to speak of.


We've got a chance to start a legacy here,  let's not waste it on dross.
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Post by: BalisPen on March 14, 2019, 09:34:00 PM
You'll find I wrote about my reservations about the £2m  salary elsewhere before any mentioned here, I have my own mind and unlike you don't jump on the most obvious bandwagon, up and down like kid who's had too many sweets.

The only bonus is you have not been advocating Brunt to made player manager.

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Post by: baggie82 on March 14, 2019, 10:06:26 PM
£2m annum is no big deal for our manager, were a football club competing to get back into the top flight not a flea market trader.
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Post by: Standaman on March 15, 2019, 07:49:47 AM
£2m annum is no big deal for our manager, were a football club competing to get back into the top flight not a flea market trader.


No it is huge in the Championship it is a salary that ONLY works if we get promotion (although this increases further on promotion). The problem is that every club that has ever started on a downward financial spiral has signed  contracts that makes perfect sense if you assume success but become a millstone if that success isn't achieved. If we give him a three year contract at that salary we can barely afford it next year and cannot afford it the year after.

 If he fails and we sack him we pay up the contract and still have to fund (the much reduced) salary for his successor. 
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 15, 2019, 08:11:25 AM
How do we know he wants £2m as all reports are that we haven’t even approached him yet, so all talk of wage demands are premature surely?
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Post by: BigFrank20 on March 15, 2019, 08:18:12 AM
Where does all this information come from about what championship managers earn?

These earnings numbers get quoted here, and elsewhere, as if they are absolutes and the person quoting them knows them to be correct

My instict is that clubs are very unlikely to openly publish how much they pay players, managers and the various assitants so I repeat where can I go to look up for myself the verified salary figures for these various potential managers?

COYB
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Post by: Albion79 on March 15, 2019, 08:22:42 AM
If the rumours are true that Jokanovic and Neil are the favourites the club and fans probably have to realise things will get worse before getting better.

Neil’s first season at preston was an average one, they then had a shocking start to this season where they were bottom but turned it round and now with the form they are in could make the playoffs, Farkes had a similar pattern too though they are going up automatic..

Jokanovic was similar, first season he did well, kept Fulham up, then they were playoffs and lost, then last season they were struggling down the bottom before he turned it round and they won the playoffs.

So there is every chance things will improve, then we will go through a bad patch, before things then improve again, its during that bad patch the fans and board have to be patient, calm and have faith in whoever the manager is.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 15, 2019, 08:35:00 AM
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-england-nor-idUKKBN1QU1P3

This to me is exactly how we should be operating for a club of our size and resources, would love the new man to come in and be given time to implement this approach alongside Dowling.

Get rid of most of the tried and trusted players, start again with a younger and hungrier squad, which will most likely be cheaper too!
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Post by: Albionic on March 15, 2019, 10:01:53 AM
So..... what about if James Shan wins again at Brentford on Saturday ? How far-fetched would it be to let him in charge for the last 8 games ??   Not so far-fetched I would think.

The club could be thinking, "if we had let pardew (spit) go a few games earlier and let Darren have a few more games we may have stayed up, lets see what Shan can do, especially if the players who "run the club and are more than capable when they want to be" want to get the £10m promotion bonus!!

Its not a massive stretch to see someone (CB ?) knocking the door and saying leave it us we will sort this out !
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Post by: hardtobeat on March 15, 2019, 10:02:13 AM
In fairness to Neal I am pretty sure a lot of Preston's early season problems were caused by an horrendous injury list. Also have to remember he got the Norwich gig on the back of  doing a good job in Scotland  with an unfancied side
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Post by: timdon on March 15, 2019, 10:11:02 AM

Jokanovic is by some distance the best choice, and mimicking Standamans reservations doesn't display any great insight. Anyone who would advocate Carvahal under any conditions with his track record is following the wrong sport. As for Alex Neil, I've had my fill of dour Scots with no previous to speak of.


We've got a chance to start a legacy here,  let's not waste it on dross.
So on the basis that you didn't like Irvine or Clarke, you are writing off Alex Neil as dross? Who isn't at all dour by the way, though you seem to insist on labeling him as such. Oh yes and you consistently slag off Derek McInnes too whenever you get the chance. And you never liked Graham Dorrans. Nor Oli Burke.........Yes, I'm beginning to see the pattern.
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Post by: wbarenno on March 15, 2019, 10:26:16 AM
How do we know he wants £2m as all reports are that we haven’t even approached him yet, so all talk of wage demands are premature surely?

Exactly this, if reports are to be believed that we haven’t approached him then this 2 million figure is rubbish .

We’ve either spoke to him and he wants 2 million or we haven’t spoke to him at all
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Post by: frazzle on March 15, 2019, 10:44:31 AM
So on the basis that you didn't like Irvine or Clarke, you are writing off Alex Neil as dross? Who isn't at all dour by the way, though you seem to insist on labeling him as such. Oh yes and you consistently slag off Derek McInnes too whenever you get the chance. And you never liked Graham Dorrans. Nor Oli Burke.........Yes, I'm beginning to see the pattern.

He doesn’t like me either and I live in Scotland!

Ha. You’re on to something :)
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Post by: skyclad99 on March 15, 2019, 10:57:42 AM
Imo we should get in Carvahal on a short term deal with a big bonus for going up and then get Neil in as the long term manager.

He impressed me at Norwich and this season he had lots of injuries at Preston but turned things around brilliantly.

I am sure both Alex and Carlos would be overjoyed with that arrangement........
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Post by: cornishbaggie on March 15, 2019, 12:25:02 PM

Jokanovic is by some distance the best choice, and mimicking Standamans reservations doesn't display any great insight. Anyone who would advocate Carvahal under any conditions with his track record is following the wrong sport. As for Alex Neil, I've had my fill of dour Scots with no previous to speak of.


We've got a chance to start a legacy here,  let's not waste it on dross.

We had a chance to start a legacy with Big Dave. There is absolutely no chance of WBA starting a legacy. Requires trust and patience. The board have neither.
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Post by: The Black Pearl on March 15, 2019, 12:52:52 PM
We had a chance to start a legacy with Big Dave. There is absolutely no chance of WBA starting a legacy. Requires trust and patience. The board have neither.

I'm sorry, but I just don't get this legacy business, Big Dave showed he had huge tactical and managerial flaws, if you want a long term legacy, it has to start with the right head coach, much as we love Big Dave, he was not the one to do that, as the season went on, we got worse as Sheffield Utd, Leeds and Norwich improved, I just hope we get the right man next.
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Post by: Nathan on March 15, 2019, 12:57:38 PM
We had a chance to start a legacy with Big Dave. There is absolutely no chance of WBA starting a legacy. Requires trust and patience. The board have neither.

We would have had chance to start a legacy if we had appointed Graham Potter last April/Summer. He comes across as very intelligent and innovative as well as having a good footballing brain and philosophy and also being a thoroughly decent human being and obviously of an age to be in a position to want to around the club for a long enough period of time in order to build that said legacy. I said at the time that we could well regret not making an approach for Potter. For as much as Darren Moore is a nice bloke, he was/is thoroughly lacking in every other department for his appointment to have been a successful long term solution.
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Post by: darbolina on March 15, 2019, 01:01:04 PM
Legacy is built on success. Success is usually built on stability and strong foundations. We don't have the basics right at the club so how can we expect the rest to follow?

Maybe the club and Darren knew this and in spite of what they said, he was only ever a short term appointment like the rest the past few years. Arguably, Pulis would've been here longer, longer term (as long as he wanted) if he'd carried on boring us to staying up each year. We're arguably still paying for Pulis' legacy of helping to dismantle the structure and foundations we'd spent 10 years creating too............?

These days it's normal for coaches to stay for no more than a couple of years. We're not that different. We pulled the trigger earlier than most us thought though and we'll never know if Darren was just about to get it together enough to push us on a 7 game winning streak - didn't look that way though.

We just need a coach that's 'in tune' with the club's (latest) strategy. That seems to be simply about getting up and preferably whilst trying to keep the fans happier by playing a bit more attacking football (maybe wrong on the second bit being realistic). 
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Post by: Albion79 on March 15, 2019, 01:10:30 PM
This is where we are going in circles.

We cant compare to other teams, Sheffield United gave Wilder a chance and he got them promoted from league one, started well last season and faded badly, they could of sacked him after a failing from such a promising start but instead they remained patient and they learnt their lessons and now they have a good chance of going up.

Norwich the same, this time last season they were halfway down the league, their fans were restless, they didnt even start this season that well, yet the board remained patient and they now too have a great chance of going up with a squad that will get better and develop.

You dont build legacys by sacking a manager every time you have a bad month or two, you have faith in your appointment and stick with them, this getting progressively worse stuff under Darren Moore seems to be based mainly on Januarys and Februarys performances and results, two months of the season and it wasnt exactly disastrous, it just wasnt great, yet as other clubs have shown, you may have a bad half a season but to build a legacy thats sometimes what it takes, things may of got worse under Darren Moore, they may of got better, but we will never know because we didnt give it chance to turn it round.

Thats why as much as like the idea of long term vision, legacies, etc, unfortunately i think its fantasy stuff, our board only care about getting on the premier league gravy train, once there they will worry about it then, if we go up i expect similar sort of managerial spells as the last 18 months, the only way i think we have a chance of any sort of long term vision will be to stay down as costs will have to be cut and the club may be forced to think that way.
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Post by: The Black Pearl on March 15, 2019, 01:43:24 PM
This is where we are going in circles.

We cant compare to other teams, Sheffield United gave Wilder a chance and he got them promoted from league one, started well last season and faded badly, they could of sacked him after a failing from such a promising start but instead they remained patient and they learnt their lessons and now they have a good chance of going up.

Norwich the same, this time last season they were halfway down the league, their fans were restless, they didnt even start this season that well, yet the board remained patient and they now too have a great chance of going up with a squad that will get better and develop.

You dont build legacys by sacking a manager every time you have a bad month or two, you have faith in your appointment and stick with them, this getting progressively worse stuff under Darren Moore seems to be based mainly on Januarys and Februarys performances and results, two months of the season and it wasnt exactly disastrous, it just wasnt great, yet as other clubs have shown, you may have a bad half a season but to build a legacy thats sometimes what it takes, things may of got worse under Darren Moore, they may of got better, but we will never know because we didnt give it chance to turn it round.

Thats why as much as like the idea of long term vision, legacies, etc, unfortunately i think its fantasy stuff, our board only care about getting on the premier league gravy train, once there they will worry about it then, if we go up i expect similar sort of managerial spells as the last 18 months, the only way i think we have a chance of any sort of long term vision will be to stay down as costs will have to be cut and the club may be forced to think that way.

It wasn't just a bad month or two, it was a whole season of forcing a style of play on a team not equipped to play it, we got away with it for a long while only because we were scoring a lot of goals and could normally outscore the opposition because we had a bit of quality up top. Once the goals dried up, the cracks became more apparent, it was not as though the high risk playing out from the back ever came to anything positive, it was high risk, almost no gain, no manager in any walk of life should allow such a thing to continue, but Big Dave did, its just verging on gross stupidity.
If you want to change a playing style you have to do it steadily in a considered way, Big Dave unfortunately just did not seem to get this.
We need a complete midfield rebuild and have done since Pullis departed, without that, you can only tinker around the edges of playing style.
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Post by: cornishbaggie on March 15, 2019, 01:57:29 PM
This is where we are going in circles.

We cant compare to other teams, Sheffield United gave Wilder a chance and he got them promoted from league one, started well last season and faded badly, they could of sacked him after a failing from such a promising start but instead they remained patient and they learnt their lessons and now they have a good chance of going up.

Norwich the same, this time last season they were halfway down the league, their fans were restless, they didnt even start this season that well, yet the board remained patient and they now too have a great chance of going up with a squad that will get better and develop.

You dont build legacys by sacking a manager every time you have a bad month or two, you have faith in your appointment and stick with them, this getting progressively worse stuff under Darren Moore seems to be based mainly on Januarys and Februarys performances and results, two months of the season and it wasnt exactly disastrous, it just wasnt great, yet as other clubs have shown, you may have a bad half a season but to build a legacy thats sometimes what it takes, things may of got worse under Darren Moore, they may of got better, but we will never know because we didnt give it chance to turn it round.

Thats why as much as like the idea of long term vision, legacies, etc, unfortunately i think its fantasy stuff, our board only care about getting on the premier league gravy train, once there they will worry about it then, if we go up i expect similar sort of managerial spells as the last 18 months, the only way i think we have a chance of any sort of long term vision will be to stay down as costs will have to be cut and the club may be forced to think that way.

Thanks Albion79 couldn't have put it better myself. Dave wasn't the finished article. He was learning on the job. Neither the board nor some fans on here had the patience to back him. Shame.

So sad how many people demand instant gratification.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 15, 2019, 02:01:50 PM
Fair points but to counter that you could say he has won over 50% of his albion games which i believe is one of the best records in our history, we are second highest scorers in the league and also 4th in the league with a very strong chance of the playoffs so it wasnt exactly terrible, i would say it was the start of a potentially promising future.

However all the pros and cons have been done to death, he has gone, but the biggest mistake i think he did make which will possibly impact the next manager was having too much faith in these players when we could of started the clearout last summer.

If we go up whoever comes in is saddled with the same group, they are on good contracts and will get 50% pay increases if we go up so wont be in any rush to leave, yet they showed last season they arent good enough for the premier league, they will be even worse next time, but they will be very hard to sell, if we go up this squad will most likely form the nucleus of next seasons premier league squad.

The only way i seen that changing and us having any sort of longer term plan is if we stay down and have to sell, i also think whoever the new manager who comes in will get a fairer chance from the fans that way too as the expectation wont be there when they see younger more unknown players rather than the ‘names’ we have now.
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Post by: seteefeet on March 15, 2019, 02:40:49 PM
It wasn't just a bad month or two, it was a whole season of forcing a style of play on a team not equipped to play it, we got away with it for a long while only because we were scoring a lot of goals and could normally outscore the opposition because we had a bit of quality up top. Once the goals dried up, the cracks became more apparent, it was not as though the high risk playing out from the back ever came to anything positive, it was high risk, almost no gain, no manager in any walk of life should allow such a thing to continue, but Big Dave did, its just verging on gross stupidity.
If you want to change a playing style you have to do it steadily in a considered way, Big Dave unfortunately just did not seem to get this.
We need a complete midfield rebuild and have done since Pullis departed, without that, you can only tinker around the edges of playing style.
Sorry but I don't believe that Lai, Jenkins etc. give a flying fig, or know anything, about playing style, they care only about money and results, therefore, whilst you are right about the various issues on the pitch, the decision must have been based on the last month or 2 and predominantly the poor home form.
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Post by: Adder on March 15, 2019, 03:36:36 PM
Sorry but I don't believe that Lai, Jenkins etc. give a flying fig, or know anything, about playing style, they care only about money and results, therefore, whilst you are right about the various issues on the pitch, the decision must have been based on the last month or 2 and predominantly the poor home form.
Jenkins does give a flying fig though about getting the seats filled and good season ticket sales and the exciting football of pre Christmas went a long way to getting full stadiums.
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Post by: frazzle on March 15, 2019, 04:10:58 PM
We would have had chance to start a legacy if we had appointed Graham Potter last April/Summer. He comes across as very intelligent and innovative as well as having a good footballing brain and philosophy and also being a thoroughly decent human being and obviously of an age to be in a position to want to around the club for a long enough period of time in order to build that said legacy. I said at the time that we could well regret not making an approach for Potter. For as much as Darren Moore is a nice bloke, he was/is thoroughly lacking in every other department for his appointment to have been a successful long term solution.

Agree on Potter but look where Swansea are in the table. No way our fans or board would have given him the time. Swansea will be strong next season I reckon.
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 15, 2019, 04:56:31 PM
This is where we are going in circles.

We cant compare to other teams, Sheffield United gave Wilder a chance and he got them promoted from league one, started well last season and faded badly, they could of sacked him after a failing from such a promising start but instead they remained patient and they learnt their lessons and now they have a good chance of going up.

Norwich the same, this time last season they were halfway down the league, their fans were restless, they didnt even start this season that well, yet the board remained patient and they now too have a great chance of going up with a squad that will get better and develop.

You dont build legacys by sacking a manager every time you have a bad month or two, you have faith in your appointment and stick with them, this getting progressively worse stuff under Darren Moore seems to be based mainly on Januarys and Februarys performances and results, two months of the season and it wasnt exactly disastrous, it just wasnt great, yet as other clubs have shown, you may have a bad half a season but to build a legacy thats sometimes what it takes, things may of got worse under Darren Moore, they may of got better, but we will never know because we didnt give it chance to turn it round.

Thats why as much as like the idea of long term vision, legacies, etc, unfortunately i think its fantasy stuff, our board only care about getting on the premier league gravy train, once there they will worry about it then, if we go up i expect similar sort of managerial spells as the last 18 months, the only way i think we have a chance of any sort of long term vision will be to stay down as costs will have to be cut and the club may be forced to think that way.


You're right, except we're pretty unique in this division. in that our owner currently has a £200 million asset, which will only realise it's value back in the Premier League.
Just cannot see GL writing that off.
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Post by: Nathan on March 15, 2019, 04:59:15 PM
Agree on Potter but look where Swansea are in the table. No way our fans or board would have given him the time. Swansea will be strong next season I reckon.

I also think Swansea will be strong next season, I fear unless we manage to get promoted this season then we will see Swansea and Potter in the Premier League long before ourselves.
On your other point, our fans and board I think would have been more likely to have given Potter (or anyone else) the time if he was in a similar position to what he is in at Swansea, with his hands tied with zero funds available and a complete rebuild mission on his hands. In a funny sort of way, maybe it would have been best for us in the long run to have had to completely start again this season and rebuild from scratch. As some others have said though, the club seem to be continually operating with a short term mentality and the attitude of the Premier League being the be all and end all and sod the club foundations.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 15, 2019, 05:00:16 PM
So on the basis that you didn't like Irvine or Clarke, you are writing off Alex Neil as dross? Who isn't at all dour by the way, though you seem to insist on labeling him as such. Oh yes and you consistently slag off Derek McInnes too whenever you get the chance. And you never liked Graham Dorrans. Nor Oli Burke.........Yes, I'm beginning to see the pattern.


Conspiracy theories are there to be debunked I suppose. Where do Morrison and Phillips come into this one? Nothing to do with like or dislike:


Irvine wildly out of his depth, worse manager we've ever had and I sat through Burkinshaw, Buckley, Smith and Little in my teens.


Clarke benefitted hugely from taking over from Hodgson and as soon as he tried to tweak it more towards his own style the wheels came off. A poor manager who has found his level in Scotland.


McInnes plays attritional football, it's common knowledge and not something I want at Albion.


Dorrans was a flat-track bully in the Championship, rarely turned up against the better sides and amid shouts of 'the next Bryan Robson' etc on here I just pointed out he wasn't that good and wouldn't cut it in the Premier League, guess what? He wasn't and didn't.


Don't recall having any major problem with Ollie Burke, perhaps you're thinking of someone else?


Alex Neil did well enough at Hamilton to get a move to Norwich who he took up through the play-offs in his first half season, they then got relegated immediately. He's not sitting on a 40% win percentage at Preston. Moore had a 50% win percentage. Preston aren't particularly good to watch and neither were Norwich. He'd be a very underwhelming choice, and yes he comes across as dour in interviews.


I don't have a problem with Scots or any nationality, have another go.
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Post by: 17GD on March 15, 2019, 05:30:07 PM
With every day that goes by and we don't appoint someone, we get closer to either giving it Shan (no disrespect, even by his own words he is overawed by it) or appointing a mediocre has-been like we did with Pardew. I'm still bewildered as to why DM was sacked with no one waiting in the wings. Surely if you have a meeting with the boss and say "fail to win and you're out" it would have been AFTER a meeting with the one you're about to appoint.

And at this stage of the season, the ball is always going to be in the possible new coach's court as he knows we don't have time and would need to bow to their every request.

The only positive is that barring a disaster, a play off place looks pretty much certain going into the final 9 games.
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Post by: divinewind on March 15, 2019, 05:54:33 PM
Thanks Albion79 couldn't have put it better myself. Dave wasn't the finished article. He was learning on the job. Neither the board nor some fans on here had the patience to back him. Shame.

So sad how many people demand instant gratification.

It's the club that were demanding an instant return to the premiership. That being the case why give the job to someone with no experience in the first place?
They were afraid of being labelled racist if they didn't by the very people who are labelling racist now.

Never in all my years of watching football have i seen anything so dumb as replacing a centre forward with a centre half in a cup tie, and using all the subs before extra time was played.
That isn't learning the game, that was 100% proof dumb.
You wouldn't do that in Fifa never mind in real life.

The only thing that stopped Darren being a good manager was a lack of a brain in his skull.
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Post by: Standaman on March 15, 2019, 06:32:00 PM
Agree with Albion79. We lurch from a "long term" appointment to a quick fix and then back again. I am not opening up the Moore debate but there must come a point when we back a manager through a downswing.

Whoever we appoint by definition is a quick fix with a view to getting up this season. If we don't get up do we fire them? If they do get us promoted at what point next season do we fire them?  After 3 straight defeats which in the Premier League is quite likely to happen to any newly promoted team.

I barely care who appoint we may as well draw the name out of a hat. We have no vision or if we do we chicken out as soon as we hit any bump in the road.


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Post by: The Black Pearl on March 15, 2019, 07:35:53 PM
Agree with Albion79. We lurch from a "long term" appointment to a quick fix and then back again. I am not opening up the Moore debate but if there must come a point when we back a manager through a downswing.

Whoever we appoint by definition is a quick fix with a view to getting up this season. If we don't get up do we fire them? If they do get us promoted at point next season do we fire them? 

I barely care who appoint we may as well draw the name out of a hat. We have no vision or if we do we chicken out as soon as we hit any bump in the road.

I agree with you entirely, I just don't think Big Dave (sadly) was the right one, the continual playing out from the back with no variation was not the act of a top coach, it was a dogma and one that had been rumbled by the high press of the opposition, we need an astute coach who can build as side and change things as players arrive and depart, at least JP worked to a plan, the current owner and his minnions seem to only want financial results.
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Post by: caravanc58 on March 15, 2019, 08:16:36 PM

Conspiracy theories are there to be debunked I suppose. Where do Morrison and Phillips come into this one? Nothing to do with like or dislike:


Irvine wildly out of his depth, worse manager we've ever had and I sat through Burkinshaw, Buckley, Smith and Little in my teens.


Clarke benefitted hugely from taking over from Hodgson and as soon as he tried to tweak it more towards his own style the wheels came off. A poor manager who has found his level in Scotland.


McInnes plays attritional football, it's common knowledge and not something I want at Albion.


Dorrans was a flat-track bully in the Championship, rarely turned up against the better sides and amid shouts of 'the next Bryan Robson' etc on here I just pointed out he wasn't that good and wouldn't cut it in the Premier League, guess what? He wasn't and didn't.


Don't recall having any major problem with Ollie Burke, perhaps you're thinking of someone else?


Alex Neil did well enough at Hamilton to get a move to Norwich who he took up through the play-offs in his first half season, they then got relegated immediately. He's not sitting on a 40% win percentage at Preston. Moore had a 50% win percentage. Preston aren't particularly good to watch and neither were Norwich. He'd be a very underwhelming choice, and yes he comes across as dour in interviews.


I don't have a problem with Scots or any nationality, have another go.
Own goal Jacko.😧
Attrition means to wear down and destroy the enemy/opposition with sustained attacks.
Know wonder you were such a big advocate of Pulis, we wouldn't want any of this attrition malarkey down the Albion would we?🍌
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Post by: silver surfer on March 15, 2019, 08:59:57 PM
Not exclusively through sustained attacks, Attrition can also mean grinding down an enemies greater resources and advantages using tactics designed to frustrate and limit losses.
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Post by: Scooby Doo on March 15, 2019, 10:28:37 PM
The biggest thing with Moore wasn't making the mistakes. It was making mistakes and not learning from them. Hopefully whoever we employ either has a strong belief and ideology on how to play (which Moore didn't), or is tactically adaptable (which Moore wasn't).
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Post by: The Black Pearl on March 15, 2019, 10:39:12 PM
The biggest thing with Moore wasn't making the mistakes. It was making mistakes and not learning from them. Hopefully whoever we employ either has a strong belief and ideology on how to play (which Moore didn't), or is tactically adaptable (which Moore wasn't).

Yep, absolutely right, doing the same things that don't work over and over again is just negligent.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 15, 2019, 10:54:20 PM
Own goal Jacko.😧
Attrition means to wear down and destroy the enemy/opposition with sustained attacks.
Know wonder you were such a big advocate of Pulis, we wouldn't want any of this attrition malarkey down the Albion would we?🍌


Very selective definition... I was going for: a gradual process of wearing down, weakening, or destroying something. McInnes and Pulis do this through negative grinding low risk football.


Pulis was needed at the time. I put up with it on the proviso something better would follow. To that end a midseason sacking was pointless and so it proved, so he retained my support last season.

Know wonder? Best get that dictionary out one more time...
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Post by: johnnyg on March 15, 2019, 11:18:41 PM
That last line is too personal, Jacko.  Way too personal.
I agree with you on most points you make on here tbh, but that last line was uncalled for.
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Post by: caravanc58 on March 16, 2019, 12:35:46 AM

Very selective definition... I was going for: a gradual process of wearing down, weakening, or destroying something. McInnes and Pulis do this through negative grinding low risk football.


Pulis was needed at the time. I put up with it on the proviso something better would follow. To that end a midseason sacking was pointless and so it proved, so he retained my support last season.

Know wonder? Best get that dictionary out one more time...
I ay got a dicshonry.😁
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Post by: baggie96 on March 16, 2019, 06:17:43 AM
We need someone to come in and start on Monday, they’ve then got a couple of weeks to get their ideas into the players due to the international break. I think it’s between Jokanovic, Neil and Appleton. Jokanovic is expensive, Neil will be tough to get from pne and Appleton would probably have a bad fan reaction. IMO though Appleton would be great, he’s a very good tactician, plays good football with solid foundations and most importantly gets the best out of young players.
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Post by: wbarenno on March 16, 2019, 08:44:31 AM
We need someone to come in and start on Monday, they’ve then got a couple of weeks to get their ideas into the players due to the international break. I think it’s between Jokanovic, Neil and Appleton. Jokanovic is expensive, Neil will be tough to get from pne and Appleton would probably have a bad fan reaction. IMO though Appleton would be great, he’s a very good tactician, plays good football with solid foundations and most importantly gets the best out of young players.

No offence intended mate but when has Appleton ever shown this? Honestly think Appleton would be a leap backwards from Moore. Neil wouldn’t be an overly popular appointment but at least he has experience at this level. From the way I see it if it’s not jokanovic then we might aswell of kept Darren Moore in charge
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Post by: Standaman on March 16, 2019, 08:48:32 AM
We need someone to come in and start on Monday, they’ve then got a couple of weeks to get their ideas into the players due to the international break. I think it’s between Jokanovic, Neil and Appleton. Jokanovic is expensive, Neil will be tough to get from pne and Appleton would probably have a bad fan reaction. IMO though Appleton would be great, he’s a very good tactician, plays good football with solid foundations and most importantly gets the best out of young players.

James Shan hit the reset button and played with 10 behind the ball and lumped it which is our default mode. If any coach has aspirations to something else that like involves passing 2 weeks isn't long enough. Nor for that matter is 2 months and with this group of players I'm not sure 2 years would be enough but that is a moot point because they wouldn't survive that long.

Like Appleton a lot but he is plainly not judged as good enough and a cheap option by the fans who will chase him out of the club like Irvine. No we must pay whatever Jankonvic wants he is a bit of a slow burn but what the heck he knows how to make a subsitution, well he does until he makes the wrong one or God forbid asks the players to pass the ball.   
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Post by: baggie96 on March 16, 2019, 09:15:39 AM
No offence intended mate but when has Appleton ever shown this? Honestly think Appleton would be a leap backwards from Moore. Neil wouldn’t be an overly popular appointment but at least he has experience at this level. From the way I see it if it’s not jokanovic then we might aswell of kept Darren Moore in charge

Have a look at what he did at Oxford. Every other club he’s been in charge of has been terribly run by the owners.

Darren Moore was a great man manager and coach but as a tactician was woeful. Everyone wanted him to do well but unfortunately he wasn’t up to it.
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Post by: Mo on March 16, 2019, 09:50:23 AM
We need someone to come in and start on Monday, they’ve then got a couple of weeks to get their ideas into the players due to the international break. I think it’s between Jokanovic, Neil and Appleton. Jokanovic is expensive, Neil will be tough to get from pne and Appleton would probably have a bad fan reaction. IMO though Appleton would be great, he’s a very good tactician, plays good football with solid foundations and most importantly gets the best out of young players.

He’s been out of work since last June if he’s that good someone would have appointed him by now .
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Post by: wbako on March 16, 2019, 11:05:14 AM
Danny Cowley at Lincoln for me.

Haven't seen him even mentioned in the betting, however.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 16, 2019, 11:13:44 AM
Good shout that wbako.

I think somebody like that would be ideal if we dont go up and we do have a clearout, a young and hungry manager with fresh ideas, ie - tony mowbray.
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 16, 2019, 11:16:20 AM
Danny Cowley at Lincoln for me.

Haven't seen him even mentioned in the betting, however.
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A mate of mine who’s a very highly qualified coach and also a Lincoln fan says the Cowley brothers get results but the style of their football will not please many who want to see a nice attacking game.
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Post by: wbako on March 16, 2019, 11:19:13 AM
Good shout that wbako.

I think somebody like that would be ideal if we dont go up and we do have a clearout, a young and hungry manager with fresh ideas, ie - tony mowbray.

I've been following him for a couple of years due to the fact he has come from a teaching background like myself and have been very impressed with how he comes across in interviews. Obviously, he's done a cracking job at Lincoln too.
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Post by: wbako on March 16, 2019, 11:21:13 AM
m

A mate of mine who’s a very highly qualified coach and also a Lincoln fan says the Cowley brothers get results but the style of their football will not please many who want to see a nice attacking game.

Fair enough. I can't profess to having seen them play that much. I did watch a game when they were in the conference (or whatever it is called now) and Lincoln pummelled the team they were playing, but I admit that's miles away from a promotion charge in the Championship.
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Post by: nogin on March 16, 2019, 11:24:36 AM
Have a look at what he did at Oxford. Every other club he’s been in charge of has been terribly run by the owners.

Darren Moore was a great man manager and coach but as a tactician was woeful. Everyone wanted him to do well but unfortunately he wasn’t up to it.

And our club is run impeccably ?? Right so were sorted then.
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Post by: baggie96 on March 16, 2019, 12:04:25 PM
And our club is run impeccably ?? Right so were sorted then.

Compared to Blackburn and Portsmouth at the time then yes.
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Post by: alwaysbilly on March 16, 2019, 12:33:04 PM
Danny Cowley at Lincoln for me.

Haven't seen him even mentioned in the betting, however.
Good shout - I’d be happy with something like that
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Post by: Albionic on March 16, 2019, 12:58:54 PM
i would move heaven and earth to get Gary Monk away from Birmingham,
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Post by: divinewind on March 16, 2019, 02:31:50 PM
If we win again today James Shan will be given the job.

Good old Albion, never disappoint.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 16, 2019, 04:01:28 PM
i would move heaven and earth to get Gary Monk away from Birmingham,

We’d have probably all said the same about Rowett when he was doing the exact same job at blues and look how that ended at stoke. I’d also worry why he’s had so many clubs in his short managerial career.
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 16, 2019, 06:01:36 PM
playoffs looking pretty much safe now, maybe we should let Shan finish the season and appoint calmly
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 06:02:40 PM
playoffs looking pretty much safe now, maybe we should let Shan finish the season and appoint calmly


Christ no.


We cannot settle for this AGAIN.
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Post by: telford baggie on March 16, 2019, 06:05:44 PM
playoffs looking pretty much safe now, maybe we should let Shan finish the season and appoint calmly
fans would then call for shan to be appointed and cry when hes sacked need to get someone in full time asap. but i expect it to be someone to plan for a rebuild in championship next season rather than go all out
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 16, 2019, 06:12:43 PM
I just worry we could be held to ransom by Jokanovic or anyone else we decide is a "must have".  What can they do in the time left this season, the last thing this lot of players need right now is another tactical master plan, they just need to get out there and win a few games with sensible selection and clever use of subs. And if  a rushed appointment is another balls up where does that leave us?

I would make it 100% clear to Shan that it is only till May, give him a fat bonus if we go up.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 06:14:36 PM
I just worry we could be held to ransom by Jokanovic or anyone else we decide is a "must have". What can they do in the time left this season, the last thing this lot of players need right now is another tactical master plan, they just need to get out there and win a few games with sensible selection and clever use of subs. And if  a rushed appointment is another balls up where does that leave us?

I would make it 100% clear to Shan that it is only till May, give him a fat bonus if we go up.


Assess the squad under match conditions, as you've said, play-offs is safe. Would be a disaster to wait until summer to make a permanent appointment.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2019, 06:16:08 PM
From what is discernible in the press, we have an ideally qualified candidate who is interested in the job and waiting for us to contact him.

Get on the blower to him right now, we need to break the cycle of, with the odd exception, not getting the right man for our job, proven by the number of managers we have appointed and parted company in the last 10 years, imo!
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 16, 2019, 06:21:33 PM

Assess the squad under match conditions, as you've said, play-offs is safe. Would be a disaster to wait until summer to make a permanent appointment.
A lot of the squad will be gone anyway, but I wouldn't mind if it had looked like we had a successor lined up, now it would feel like panic buying to me.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 06:30:14 PM
A lot of the squad will be gone anyway, but I wouldn't mind if it had looked like we had a successor lined up, now it would feel like panic buying to me.


We will need to retain some players like it or not, we need them to fit into (hopefully Jokanovic's) system. As long as it's not something totally out of the blue (Megson, Puel, Pearson etc) it won't have been done in a panic, it will be a considered choice that currently has only taken 7 days...


Shan for the rest of the season would reflect the club letting us all down again.
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Post by: Dexy on March 16, 2019, 06:34:05 PM
I'm beginning to think sacking DM was more to do with getting Jones out the door.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 06:35:34 PM
I'm beginning to think sacking DM was more to do with getting Jones out the door.


Same. Although, not beginning to, have always thought.
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Post by: albion59 on March 16, 2019, 06:43:20 PM

Christ no.


We cannot settle for this AGAIN.
I hate doing this but I have to agree.
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Post by: Dan on March 16, 2019, 06:47:47 PM
i would move heaven and earth to get Gary Monk away from Birmingham,

I would be concerned that the only job with expectations of promotion he's had, he ended up being sacked mid-season.

No doubting the job he's done at Blues but its a whole different ball game being expected to win regularly, than at the likes of Blues where its ok if the form blows hot and cold.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 06:49:39 PM
I would be concerned that the only job with expectations of promotion he's had, he ended up being sacked mid-season.

No doubting the job he's done at Blues but its a whole different ball game being expected to win regularly, than at the likes of Blues where its ok if the form blows hot and cold.


Now on a run of 4 defeats on the bounce, which should become 5 Friday week. When the points deduction is announced he'll be lucky to get away without a relegation on his CV.


Not for me.
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Post by: wba_1996 on March 16, 2019, 07:10:28 PM
I'll be disappointed if it's not Jokanovic. Mainly because he's proven to be a top head coach in this league, but also to break up the monotony of British coaches who never think outside the box, only bring in players with experience of English football and pick players based on reasons other than their ability as a footballer.
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Post by: Albion79 on March 16, 2019, 07:18:42 PM
I thoroughly expect over the next few days some of the players to start coming out and saying ‘jimmy is a great guy’ ‘we all love working for him’ ‘we would be happy if he was given the job’ basically their usual nonsense.

Shan does seem a very good coach, he has taken the players back to their default point pretty quick with how we play and how we setup but i would also imagine after witnessing their limitations under Moore when asked to do something different, he knows what they are really like and knows that if he tried anything different to the way we have played the last two games (a) the players will soon let him down and (b) the fans will demands better football.

I would hope on that basis he can see through the players and isnt as naive as moore and learns from that, and even if he is offered the job he turns it down because by the end of the year he will be out of a job at a club he has worked for for over 10 years, at least if somebody else comes in now and they dont want him his stock his high for other jobs rather than the sacking on his cv he will have in eight months time.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2019, 07:20:07 PM
I don’t get sacking Darren just to get Jones out.

It’s not logical to me, as there are a number of other ways to have gotten rid of him and kept Darren in post.

For instance, if we are to believe press reports, it is a done deal that Jones will takeover at Luton in the summer and this was agreed before we sacked him. Now, as I understand it, he is under contract to us and would need the clubs permission to have spoken to Luton about their vacancy and for us to agree to release him from his contract to takeover in June.

Two issues, firstly, if he didn’t seek permission from us to speak to Luton and he went ahead anyway and agreed to take the job, then we could have terminated his contract, surely?

Secondly, we could have refused him permission to speak with Luton knowing that, probably, he would have taken humpage and, hopefully, walked out anyway.

Have I missed something? Why sack Darren to achieve a parting of the ways with Jones. I believe it was about Darren and not Jones, I don’t refute that Jones leaving may have been a bonus to some in the hierarchy of the club.

Please enlighten me on this Jones conspiracy theory

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Post by: Albionic on March 16, 2019, 07:20:47 PM

Now on a run of 4 defeats on the bounce, which should become 5 Friday week. When the points deduction is announced he'll be lucky to get away without a relegation on his CV.


Not for me.


the points deduction is irrelevant to his management,
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Post by: Atomic on March 16, 2019, 07:24:15 PM
I don’t get sacking Darren just to get Jones out.

It’s not logical to me, as there are a number of other ways to have gotten rid of him and kept Darren in post.

For instance, if we are to believe press reports, it is a done deal that Jones will takeover at Luton in the summer and this was agreed before we sacked him. Now, as I understand it, he is under contract to us and would need the clubs permission to have spoken to Luton about their vacancy and for us to agree to release him from his contract to takeover in June.

Two issues, firstly, if he didn’t seek permission from us to speak to Luton and he went ahead anyway and agreed to take the job, then we could have terminated his contract, surely?

Secondly, we could have refused him permission to speak with Luton knowing that, probably, he would have taken humpage and, hopefully, walked out anyway.

Have I missed something? Why sack Darren to achieve a parting of the ways with Jones. I believe it was about Darren and not Jones, I don’t refute that Jones leaving may have been a bonus to some in the hierarchy of the club.

Please enlighten me on this Jones conspiracy theory


Because Darren was the main man he carries the can. If you're a manager and you let your number two dictate to you you're pretty stupid to do so really, no offence to Darren. If you're going to do something you do it your way and you succeed or fail knowing at least you gave it your best shot.

In years to come when he looks back Darren Moore will have a huge regret over his tenure he'll realise he shouldn't have allowed Jones so much influence.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2019, 07:27:38 PM

Because Darren was the main man he carries the can. If you're a manager and you let your number two dictate to you you're pretty stupid to do so really, no offence to Darren. If you're going to do something you do it your way and you succeed or fail knowing at least you gave it your best shot.

In years to come when he looks back Darren Moore will have a huge regret over his tenure he'll realise he shouldn't have allowed Jones so much influence.

So it was about Darren and not Jones then?
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Post by: Atomic on March 16, 2019, 07:31:18 PM
So it was about Darren and not Jones then?


Both.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2019, 07:51:10 PM

Both.

Not meaning to be pedantic, it wasn’t all about Jones as is being suggested then?
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 16, 2019, 07:56:31 PM
I'm beginning to think sacking DM was more to do with getting Jones out the door.

I've never thought any different. For me, from the outset, GJ was always the main man.
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Post by: Atomic on March 16, 2019, 07:59:42 PM
Not meaning to be pedantic, it wasn’t all about Jones as is being suggested then?


We can only speculate. I'm sure more info will emerge over time.
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Post by: Albionic on March 16, 2019, 08:02:31 PM
I do wonder if Darren waiting so long for Graham Jones to join and then the bloke looking to bail out at the first opportunity was one of the factors in Darrens dismissal.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 08:06:53 PM


the points deduction is irrelevant to his management,


That was clearly just a bookend to the post. They've bottled it when it has come to the crunch, they were above Villa until 4 games ago. Vile have taken 12 points they've taken 0. As someone else suggested, he's Rowett with 3 times as many sideways passes.
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Post by: Albionic on March 16, 2019, 08:09:03 PM

That was clearly just a bookend to the post. They've bottled it when it has come to the crunch, they were above Villa until 4 games ago. Vile have taken 12 points they've taken 0. As someone else suggested, he's Rowett with 3 times as many sideways passes.

so you don't think blues have over achieved under his management ?
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 08:11:31 PM
so you don't think blues have over achieved under his management ?


No more than they did under Rowett no.
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Post by: SirTonyM on March 16, 2019, 08:54:00 PM
From what’s being said / rumoured I’m worried the board will go for a temporary fix. Shan has cemented the play off position (I personally still think top 2 is a possibility) and they will see if someone can get us up and evaluate at the end of the season, depending on what league we are in. I hope I’m wrong as we need a permanent appointment but this is what I think will happen.
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Post by: Dan on March 16, 2019, 09:39:49 PM
A new manager in as a temporary appointment doesn't really make much sense. There's only so much you can do as a manager at this stage of a season. The reason people like Pulis make good mid-season managers is they just go back to the very basics, go big on organisation. And that's all Shan has done really, simplified things.

No manager is going to come in at this stage and markedly improve the football and get results. If they want to get us playing better football they'll run into familiar issues that a lot of these players just can't do that, and if they go for results its going to be largely similar to what Shan's doing.

Unless we can get Jokanovic in or a similar profile I don't think keeping Shan on till the summer is the worst idea. None of the other names seem particularly appealing.   
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 16, 2019, 11:58:27 PM
Just need a manager who will let players actually play to their their stengths and not put square pegs into round holes ala Pulis, Pardew and even Moore.
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Post by: cads_ap_albion on March 17, 2019, 08:17:12 AM
There is a rumour I heard last home game and I have no idea how true, so you can decide...

It was going around that Darren was told that Jones would be sacked and Moore said if he goes then I have to go too.....

We will never know the truth.
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 17, 2019, 08:57:52 AM
Just need a manager who will let players actually play to their their stengths and not put square pegs into round holes ala Pulis, Pardew and even Moore.
Agree.  With Gibbs hopefully returning, our back 4 are experienced, or in the case of Holgate seem natural technically, so they don't need much coaching, the forwards all know where the net is (HRK doesn't hit it often to be fair  ;)), we just need to get a solid midfield setup, which is where I think Brunt comes in, my guess is he's taken a fair bit of responsibility since Moore went.  So for 8 games what has been our weakness (ageing squad) could be a positive, especially if Shan splices in Edwards/Harper properly for a bit of fizz.  If its Shan or someone else I hope they stick to a bit of a motivational stuff and try to keep our upswing going.  A quick look at the flex up in their pay packets should inspire even the most jaded of them anyway.
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Post by: smosher34 on March 17, 2019, 11:34:00 AM
There is a rumour I heard last home game and I have no idea how true, so you can decide...

It was going around that Darren was told that Jones would be sacked and Moore said if he goes then I have to go too.....

We will never know the truth.
See if Moore ends up at Luton as a number 2
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Post by: Baggies on March 17, 2019, 11:59:31 AM
The problem with waiting until the end of the season, is that failure to get promotion, and thus losing 10 or more players leaves us a very unattractive proposition. The rebuilding job either way will be daunting, but doing it without premier league cash leaves so much work to do.

I could be wrong, and maybe not taking into account other factors, but surely now, with us in the playoffs and a chance of getting promotion makes us a decent opportunity for a coach?

Jokanovic is probably the best of the named options, but I am a bit annoyed that Dowling has been in place since the late summer and he still doesn't seem to have planned ahead. If Jokanovic isn't really up for taking the job, we should have had other managers in our thinking. I'm just hoping the next appointment hints at the club looking further afield and not having the same limited  tunnel vision as some of our recent thinking.

I'd be looking at what Wolves did with Nuno, Norwich with Farke, Leeds have with Bielsa, Southampton with Hassunhuttl and Watford with Gracia.

They looked further afield and seem to be benefitting from it. Until more of our domestic managers start to prove they have developed their thinking, i'd be strongly considering the wider talent pool.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on March 17, 2019, 09:42:57 PM
See if Moore ends up at Luton as a number 2
Moore will end up at Walsall, probably with brunt as no2
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Post by: hunsletbaggie on March 17, 2019, 10:09:51 PM
I think its becoming obvious by the day the one they wanted  was wagner but because of the terms he left Huddersfield he's not allowed to take the job till the summer which leaves us in a bit of a mess to be honest.
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Post by: chipperclark on March 17, 2019, 11:00:30 PM
 ;D Think we have no choice just let Shan run the team 9 games to go?? Too late to put a new man in would take him 3 or 4 games to stamp his influence on the squad he would get. Shan  knows the players and has a good idea on formations and tactics. Why change if he can run things temporarily.

We don't know what division we will be in so that would be a big impact on what manager we bring in.
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Post by: skyclad99 on March 18, 2019, 06:43:42 AM
;D Think we have no choice just let Shan run the team 9 games to go?? Too late to put a new man in would take him 3 or 4 games to stamp his influence on the squad he would get. Shan  knows the players and has a good idea on formations and tactics. Why change if he can run things temporarily.

We don't know what division we will be in so that would be a big impact on what manager we bring in.

I don't agree because that would put us in exactly the same position as last year. Shan has the rest of the season, does well and gets into the play offs - it makes no difference whether we go up or not when you think about it, but there will be a demand by many to give him the job because he did so well, ala Big Dave.

If he does get us up, he will 'deserve a chance', and if we don't go up, he will get the job because 'he did so well at the end of last season'.

Shan has done well over the past couple of games, but he needs to be the link between the team and the new manager and nothing else.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 18, 2019, 07:06:09 AM
shocking mangement by the powers. needs to be sorted now not the end of the season, not Shan either
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Post by: BigFrank20 on March 18, 2019, 08:31:59 AM
Could it be possible that no one, of any merit or worth, actually wants the job?
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2019, 08:40:28 AM
Could it be possible that no one, of any merit or worth, actually wants the job?

I still harbour hopes for Jokanovic, but you could well be right, knowing how our lot go about things
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Post by: NJS on March 18, 2019, 09:52:28 AM
I suppose if we waited until the end of the season there's be a chance of getting a manager that wasn't willing to rat on his current club mid-season?

Jimmy Shan might not be able to get us promoted but I don't think the club is currently in the state to stay in PL - that's from Board Management down to the First team players.  Honorable exceptions to the youth set up, ground staff etc.
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Post by: Dexy on March 18, 2019, 11:14:31 AM
I still harbour hopes for Jokanovic, but you could well be right, knowing how our lot go about things
Unless its Jokanovic I'd sooner stick with Shan until the end of the season especially if they got him an older head on board .
None of the other names like Moyes attract me at all .
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Post by: Albionic on March 18, 2019, 11:27:25 AM
Unless its Jokanovic I'd sooner stick with Shan until the end of the season especially if they got him an older head on board .
None of the other names like Moyes attract me at all .

tend to agree with this, if it is a choice between Shan or one of the dinosaurs (Moyes / Allardyce) or a romantic ex-player option (Appleton / McInnes) I would rather stick with Shan.

I'm still in the Monk or Bilic camp though.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2019, 11:52:34 AM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

“Albion's board set to finalise decision over new head coach early this week. Jokanovic and Neil the main contenders. Shan says it's an appealing job for anybody #wba”
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2019, 12:24:52 PM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

“Unlike Moore, Shan is not in the running for the (permanent) job but last week suggests he deserves a place working with the first team long-term. May be difficult depending on who new boss is of course”

I would support Shans assertion, as he is an immediate connect between our current players and whoever the new manager is, hopefully Jokanovic
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2019, 12:27:22 PM
West Brom board finalising decision over new head coach

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/18/west-brom-board-finalising-decision-over-new-head-coach/
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Post by: tuamigos on March 18, 2019, 12:43:22 PM
West Brom board finalising decision over new head coach

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/18/west-brom-board-finalising-decision-over-new-head-coach/

Expect a decision anytime in the next eight or nine weeks then  :(
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Post by: FallOutBoy on March 18, 2019, 12:46:32 PM
;D Think we have no choice just let Shan run the team 9 games to go?? Too late to put a new man in would take him 3 or 4 games to stamp his influence on the squad he would get. Shan  knows the players and has a good idea on formations and tactics. Why change if he can run things temporarily.

We don't know what division we will be in so that would be a big impact on what manager we bring in.

This is what got us into this mess in the first place.

Never employ the temporary bloke, it doesn't work long term.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 18, 2019, 12:47:45 PM
So Matt Wilson says we hope to have someone in place by Wednesday and Rob Dorsett of Sky Sports Tweets...

#wbafc no closer to appointing new manager, I understand. Considering option of interim boss, or an experienced coach to work with Shan til end of season. Board want right long-term appointment, but v different demands in Champs or Prem. Jokanovic and Neil still being considered.
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Post by: lewisant on March 18, 2019, 01:00:00 PM
So Matt Wilson says we hope to have someone in place by Wednesday and Rob Dorsett of Sky Sports Tweets...

#wbafc no closer to appointing new manager, I understand. Considering option of interim boss, or an experienced coach to work with Shan til end of season. Board want right long-term appointment, but v different demands in Champs or Prem. Jokanovic and Neil still being considered.

Sounds like he's just re-worded Matt Wilson's tweet. We aren't closer because we always expected it done this week.
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Post by: paulosull on March 18, 2019, 01:02:39 PM
Jimmy has done a great job in his short time in charge results wise by going back to playing a Pulis style of football. Lots of folk on here bemoaned his style of play me included so I'd be against giving him job on temporary basis. If we are going down temporary route i wouldn't be averse to Appleton or Shakespeare taking reins.
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Post by: leeiswba on March 18, 2019, 02:33:58 PM
Jimmy has done a great job in his short time in charge results wise by going back to playing a Pulis style of football. Lots of folk on here bemoaned his style of play me included so I'd be against giving him job on temporary basis. If we are going down temporary route i wouldn't be averse to Appleton or Shakespeare taking reins.

The problem is you get into the same kind of situation as last year. If Shan won every game and we went up then we would have no choice but to give him the job permanently
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Post by: gerry m on March 18, 2019, 02:47:49 PM
Could it be possible that no one, of any merit or worth, actually wants the job?

There will always be someone who wants the job because they know and we know should they fail their contract will be paid up in full.
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Post by: BigFrank20 on March 18, 2019, 03:17:53 PM
There will always be someone who wants the job because they know and we know should they fail their contract will be paid up in full.
Which speaks to my reference to anyone with any merit or worthy of the job, what you describe fit into my current 'mercenary' catagory
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Post by: gerry m on March 18, 2019, 04:11:54 PM
Which speaks to my reference to anyone with any merit or worthy of the job, what you describe fit into my current 'mercenary' catagory

Correct, i misread your post.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on March 18, 2019, 08:32:11 PM

Because Darren was the main man he carries the can. If you're a manager and you let your number two dictate to you you're pretty stupid to do so really, no offence to Darren. If you're going to do something you do it your way and you succeed or fail knowing at least you gave it your best shot.

But Cloughie did that all the time.
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Post by: Bilston Dan on March 18, 2019, 08:35:56 PM
The problem is you get into the same kind of situation as last year. If Shan won every game and we went up then we would have no choice but to give him the job permanently

You'd think our board would learn from the old adage "once bitten, twice shy" but then again they've been pretty inept under Lai so it wouldn't surprise me!  ;D
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Post by: Dan on March 18, 2019, 10:24:11 PM
The problem is you get into the same kind of situation as last year. If Shan won every game and we went up then we would have no choice but to give him the job permanently

If he wins every game to get us promoted he would rightfully get the job!

It's not like Moore was a disaster. Had we gone for the tried and tested option of a rowett things could be much worse. Likewise the up and coming coach potter hasn't done anything.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 18, 2019, 11:05:06 PM
If he wins every game to get us promoted he would rightfully get the job!

It's not like Moore was a disaster. Had we gone for the tried and tested option of a rowett things could be much worse. Likewise the up and coming coach potter hasn't done anything.


If you can't see what Potter has done for Swansea I despair... They will be top 2 next season with no investment.
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Post by: Dan on March 19, 2019, 12:21:31 AM

If you can't see what Potter has done for Swansea I despair... They will be top 2 next season with no investment.

Complete powderpuff football, far too easy to beat - you say no investment, they've still spent more and have a far better squad than a bunch of teams above them.

Potter benefits from being fashionable from his time in Sweden. There's a bunch of managers who've done jobs with worse quality ,worse budgets in the league. How you can slag off Monk who's had it far more difficult then claim Potter will have them top 2 next season is beyond me.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 19, 2019, 12:26:50 AM
Complete powderpuff football, far too easy to beat - you say no investment, they've still spent more and have a far better squad than a bunch of teams above them.

Potter benefits from being fashionable from his time in Sweden. There's a bunch of managers who've done jobs with worse quality ,worse budgets in the league. How you can slag off Monk who's had it far more difficult then claim Potter will have them top 2 next season is beyond me.


Mind boggles if you think Monk has had it worse than Potter. Have a read about swansea this year.
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Post by: Dan on March 19, 2019, 12:31:54 AM

Mind boggles if you think Monk has had it worse than Potter. Have a read about swansea this year.

Blues had literally no money to spend. Swansea had some money to spend and a better team to begin with.

It got somewhat worse for them in January but by then it was clear they weren't going up anyway.

Bristol City had their star striker, centre back, and left back all sold off. Spent 2.5m in the summer. Swansea losing players and not getting huge funds to replace them isn't unique by championship standards. Potter is doing nothing that the likes of Johnson, Monk, Neil and Adkins aren't doing elsewhere. And Wilder is doing better than them all.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 19, 2019, 12:35:54 AM
Blues had literally no money to spend. Swansea had some money to spend and a better team to begin with.

It got somewhat worse for them in January but by then it was clear they weren't going up anyway.

Bristol City had their star striker, centre back, and left back all sold off. Spent 2.5m in the summer. Swansea losing players and not getting huge funds to replace them isn't unique by championship standards. Potter is doing nothing that the likes of Johnson, Monk, Neil and Adkins aren't doing elsewhere. And Wilder is doing better than them all.


Now go and have a look at every passing stat for the entire league.


What were your thoughts on Farke last season?
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Post by: Dan on March 19, 2019, 12:40:43 AM

Now go and have a look at every passing stat for the entire league.


What were your thoughts on Farke last season?

We used to have the same stats when Mowbray was here and the fundamental flaws in his management meant he's never progressed beyond a championship manager.

Given Potter won't be given a big pot of money to rebuild like Mowbray was I'd suggest he'll run into the same problems without the glory. The fact is they have nice passing stats and were also their own worst enemy against us for it.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 19, 2019, 12:43:26 AM
We used to have the same stats when Mowbray was here and the fundamental flaws in his management meant he's never progressed beyond a championship manager.

Given Potter won't be given a big pot of money to rebuild like Mowbray was I'd suggest he'll run into the same problems. Any team that struggles to defend set pieces like Swansea do is always going to be up against it in this league. One of those fundamental flaws that separates out managers.


We'll agree to disagree. Mowbray gave us the best football since Ossie and at a higher level. Not sure why you're talking about anything other than Championship as Monk has failed in his only Premier League job.
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Post by: frazzle on March 19, 2019, 05:46:42 AM
To be sat here seemingly no closer to having a manager is outrageous. What would the board have done if we had lost the last two games. What a mess.
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Post by: Sted1990 on March 19, 2019, 07:40:56 AM
I’ve read as many stories as possible and it all points to Appleton as the longer it goes on the more likely we’re going to go for a short term fix.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 19, 2019, 08:01:03 AM
I am a little confused. Jenkins statement on sacking Moore more or less stated he had failed in his objective to get us into the top 2 and promotion was imperative. Do the board really think Shan, Appleton short term etc are going to get us over the line. They are now saying they aren't sure what division we are going to be in next season so are hesitant on a long term appointment at this stage. Was it a case of they just wanted Moore out at all costs and thought anyone but him would stand a better chance of giving us success this season?
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Post by: Dexy on March 19, 2019, 08:10:02 AM

We'll agree to disagree. Mowbray gave us the best football since Ossie and at a higher level. Not sure why you're talking about anything other than Championship as Monk has failed in his only Premier League job.
It's finding that balance isn't it ? , apart from Roy and for a brief spell under Clarke we've been too negative / dull or far too open Mowbray / DM and Jones .
Must admit I admire what Potter has done in his career so far but watching Swansea the other night screamed of Mowbray at his worst defending wise.
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Post by: Dexy on March 19, 2019, 08:16:51 AM
To be sat here seemingly no closer to having a manager is outrageous. What would the board have done if we had lost the last two games. What a mess.
I have no proof but I'd wager the situation goes back to Jones one way or the other , scrapping his system and methods appears to have lead to 6 points and 2 clean sheets. It could be Dowling is more of a football man than we know and he had a major say in the sacking.
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Post by: Mister AT on March 19, 2019, 09:07:01 AM
I can really see it being Appleton/Shakespeare (or both) alongside Shan until end of season.

It's too risky to have a new manager coming in now and changing the way we play again. If we had brought someone in when DM was sacked, they could have kept Shan involved for Swansea and Brentford to get an understanding of the team, and used the international break to make slight tweaks in how we play.

The one thing the club need to ensure is that whatever happens, we keep Shan on in some capacity. Whether that be first team coach, or back to his previous role. He's been an integral part of our academy for years and part of our 'DNA'. He knows our youth players better than even DM did, and is the link between the academy and first team.

Back on topic, I think we will 99% go down the temporary boss route and reassess in the summer dependant on what league we are in. The major issue is as others have said, if the temporary boss gets us promoted, how do you not give them a chance in the premier league...
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 19, 2019, 09:50:36 AM
I can really see it being Appleton/Shakespeare (or both) alongside Shan until end of season.  ...
...
 The major issue is as others have said, if the temporary boss gets us promoted, how do you not give them a chance in the premier league.

If they go down that route, it will be an permanent appointment with a contract to the end of the season.

At that point the board will make a decision on a longer term contract, where the person appointed would be considered, along with other candidates.

As others have said, whatever division we're in next season, it's a pretty major rebuilding job, so it makes sense to keep our options open.

Pretty much what Man U have done with OGS.
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 19, 2019, 09:59:50 AM
We do Not want Appleton or Shakespeare here at all whether that is temporary or permanent. no way.

very disappointing because we have won the last 2 they no longer seem in a rush when in fact we are. Never rated DM but why sack him if we had no replacement lined up?

dont understand this about depends what division we are in. Jokanovic has managed in both divisions and if we fail in the play offs, we have to back him to try and get us up next season.
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Post by: Dexy on March 19, 2019, 10:12:50 AM
We do Not want Appleton or Shakespeare here at all whether that is temporary or permanent. no way.

very disappointing because we have won the last 2 they no longer seem in a rush when in fact we are. Never rated DM but why sack him if we had no replacement lined up?

dont understand this about depends what division we are in. Jokanovic has managed in both divisions and if we fail in the play offs, we have to back him to try and get us up next season.
Can understand your view on Appleton but I wouldn't be against Shakespeare , take away the previous with us and he's moved on to be a highly respected coach in the game . I'd prefer SJ over them all though .
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 19, 2019, 10:27:50 AM
Can understand your view on Appleton but I wouldn't be against Shakespeare , take away the previous with us and he's moved on to be a highly respected coach in the game . I'd prefer SJ over them all though .

yes i know what you mean but even shakespeare has only managed what was it 6 months? but yes would rather have him over appleton.

i just dont know why we dont appoint Jokanovic with Shan alongside until the end of the season and then next year if we fail to go up we try to back him as much as possible to try and get promoted again.

there will be funds next year despite us having to balance the books a bit more. the sale of Rondon will be coming into the club, along with other players that wish to jump ship or we offload.
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Post by: Dexy on March 19, 2019, 10:39:45 AM
yes i know what you mean but even shakespeare has only managed what was it 6 months? but yes would rather have him over appleton.

i just dont know why we dont appoint Jokanovic with Shan alongside until the end of the season and then next year if we fail to go up we try to back him as much as possible to try and get promoted again.

there will be funds next year despite us having to balance the books a bit more. the sale of Rondon will be coming into the club, along with other players that wish to jump ship or we offload.
Shakespeare wouldn't be the manager though , he'd be a help to Shan I'd imagine .
Suspect it's the same old thing with SJ , money !
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Post by: tuamigos on March 19, 2019, 11:08:56 AM
Shakespeare wouldn't be the manager though , he'd be a help to Shan I'd imagine .
Suspect it's the same old thing with SJ , money !

Another twist in our saga.
Shakey and Appleton?
It's a no from me  :(

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/west-brom-fans-must-surely-be-livid-as-managerial-search-takes-a-twist/
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 19, 2019, 11:18:03 AM
Another twist in our saga.
Shakey and Appleton?
It's a no from me  :(

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/west-brom-fans-must-surely-be-livid-as-managerial-search-takes-a-twist/
If they are considering bringing either of those two in to support Shan, then forget it! give SGM a call ,been there, seen that, done that.
Jenkins of course will not do that , not savvy enough.
I do understand the issue of not knowing which division we will be in next season, and the effect on the permanent position, and I am not suggesting Gary come back in that role , but if they are seriously considering Shakey or Appleton , then frankly they are not fit to lace SGM's boots
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Post by: tuamigos on March 19, 2019, 11:22:50 AM
If they are considering bringing either of those two in to support Shan, then forget it! give SGM a call ,been there, seen that, done that.
Jenkins of course will not do that , not savvy enough.
I do understand the issue of not knowing which division we will be in next season, and the effect on the permanent position, and I am not suggesting Gary come back in that role , but if they are seriously considering Shakey or Appleton , then frankly they are not fit to lace SGM's boots

which begs the question why didn't they leave Darren Moore in position until the end of the season?
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Post by: Nathan on March 19, 2019, 11:36:33 AM
If they are considering bringing either of those two in to support Shan, then forget it! give SGM a call ,been there, seen that, done that.
Jenkins of course will not do that , not savvy enough.
I do understand the issue of not knowing which division we will be in next season, and the effect on the permanent position, and I am not suggesting Gary come back in that role , but if they are seriously considering Shakey or Appleton , then frankly they are not fit to lace SGM's boots

I was saying exactly the same thing at Brentford on Saturday, for me he ticks all the boxes if we are looking for someone to come in until the end of the season. He will have the 100% backing of the fans, the pride and passion will return and I for one will have a tear in my eye should Sir Gary be leading us out in the Play Off final at Wembley in May and just imagine what it would be like if he completes the hat trick of promotions. As you say though mate, I doubt the club will be savvy enough.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 19, 2019, 11:40:47 AM
which begs the question why didn't they leave Darren Moore in position until the end of the season?
Because Jones and Darren were out of favour with management , majority of supporters, and PLAYERS.
Once again Brunt and Morrison think they are running the show. I went to Brentford and watched them both very carefully.
I personally, sincerely hope ,that whatever the rest of the season brings, that those two are no longer part of the future.
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Post by: gazberg on March 19, 2019, 11:41:46 AM
which begs the question why didn't they leave Darren Moore in position until the end of the season?


Because Moore and Jones were clueless. Anyone else would have been better, Shan is already proving that point.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 19, 2019, 11:43:47 AM
I was saying exactly the same thing at Brentford on Saturday, for me he ticks all the boxes if we are looking for someone to come in until the end of the season. He will have the 100% backing of the fans, the pride and passion will return and I for one will have a tear in my eye should Sir Gary be leading us out in the Play Off final at Wembley in May and just imagine what it would be like if he completes the hat trick of promotions. As you say though mate, I doubt the club will be savvy enough.
They should have kept him last season mate, instead of bringing Pardew in, and we would still be in the Prem. Jenkins not big enough to swallow his pride for the sake of the club though
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Post by: SirTonyM on March 19, 2019, 11:48:56 AM

Because Moore and Jones were clueless. Anyone else would have been better, Shan is already proving that point.

Pulis and Pardew didn’t. You could probably add Garry Rowett to that list as he had more money at his disposal and a premier league squad and didn’t do anything with them. Steve Bruce didn’t get Villa back up with more resources...Maybe not anyone...
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Post by: SmethDan on March 19, 2019, 11:50:13 AM
I was saying exactly the same thing at Brentford on Saturday, for me he ticks all the boxes if we are looking for someone to come in until the end of the season. He will have the 100% backing of the fans, the pride and passion will return and I for one will have a tear in my eye should Sir Gary be leading us out in the Play Off final at Wembley in May and just imagine what it would be like if he completes the hat trick of promotions. As you say though mate, I doubt the club will be savvy enough.

Thought SGM should have been kept on last season rather than employing the Pard'. However, he would not have the 100% backing of the support base. He didn't have 100% when he was employed as manager, he didn't have 100% as caretaker and he wouldn't have it were he to be re employed until the end of the season now. I absolutely 100% guarantee you that.
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Post by: gazberg on March 19, 2019, 11:59:20 AM
Pulis and Pardew didn’t. You could probably add Garry Rowett to that list as he had more money at his disposal and a premier league squad and didn’t do anything with them. Steve Bruce didn’t get Villa back up with more resources...Maybe not anyone...

Pulis had expired well before his sacking and Pardew should never have been given the job. I felt Moore deserved a chance due to the end of last year but quickly became apparent he was no manager, we just got all sentimental and stuck with him out of blind loyalty which could really cost us now. Our board are utterly inept.
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Post by: gazberg on March 19, 2019, 12:00:19 PM
Thought SGM should have been kept on last season rather than employing the Pard'. However, he would not have the 100% backing of the support base. He didn't have 100% when he was employed as manager, he didn't have 100% as caretaker and he wouldn't have it were he to be re employed until the end of the season now. I absolutely 100% guarantee you that.

100% agreed. Not sticking with GM was yet another terrible decision.
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Post by: Nathan on March 19, 2019, 12:05:01 PM
Thought SGM should have been kept on last season rather than employing the Pard'. However, he would not have the 100% backing of the support base. He didn't have 100% when he was employed as manager, he didn't have 100% as caretaker and he wouldn't have it were he to be re employed until the end of the season now. I absolutely 100% guarantee you that.

Maybe 100% is a slight exaggeration but you surely get the gist. Anyone who was at Wembley for Spurs away last season under Megson couldn't have failed to notice the significant passion and pride in the atmosphere in the away end that day, whether or not it was from 100% of our support or not, it was close enough and good enough for me! Yes, he should have been undoubtedly given the job last season, I firmly believe we would not have gone down. The other names being banded about in the likelihood of a temporary appointment leave me a little deflated to say the least, I just think the emotion and pride from a return of Megson would see us get over the winning line in the Play Offs, I don't think anyone else appointed would come close to creating that feeling.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 19, 2019, 12:15:05 PM
Thought SGM should have been kept on last season rather than employing the Pard'. However, he would not have the 100% backing of the support base. He didn't have 100% when he was employed as manager, he didn't have 100% as caretaker and he wouldn't have it were he to be re employed until the end of the season now. I absolutely 100% guarantee you that.
I know what you are saying is correct Dan , but no manager will ever get 100% supporter backing. We have not had a manager since, nor will we, who was "adored" like SGM was when we pipped the Dingles though,and then, when not backed in the Prem and relegated, got us back again.
51 years a season ticket holder and I won't hear a word said against him.
Some of the potential manager's being mentioned on here. Words bloody fail me. I'll shut up on this subject now !   
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 19, 2019, 12:19:24 PM
I just think the emotion and pride from a return of Megson would see us get over the winning line in the Play Offs, I don't think anyone else appointed would come close to creating that feeling.


It's not the fans, that the new HC needs to get onside, it's the existing staff & players.
If there is to be a short term appointment, it has to be on a "here to help" basis & there's no place for egos.
Not sure Megson has that ability.

At the end of the season, it's a rebuild exercise, so a whole new set of objectives.
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Post by: Nathan on March 19, 2019, 12:30:31 PM

It's not the fans, that the new HC needs to get onside, it's the existing staff & players.
If there is to be a short term appointment, it has to be on a "here to help" basis & there's no place for egos.
Not sure Megson has that ability.

At the end of the season, it's a rebuild exercise, so a whole new set of objectives.

That should equally (or even more so) apply to the playing staff! If there was one thing for sure, Megson would attempt to put an immediate stop to any particular clique of players who think they are running the show.
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 19, 2019, 12:48:46 PM
That should equally (or even more so) apply to the playing staff! If there was one thing for sure, Megson would attempt to put an immediate stop to any particular clique of players who think they are running the show.

Again, I'm not sure there are a clique of players who think they are running the show.

It's pretty apparent that DM/GJ were trying to impose a playing system on players who weren't comfortable with it.
JS has taken a more pragmatic view & operated a system to suit the players.

6 points from a possible 6, would suggest that JS took the right decision.

We still have a great chance of promotion, IMO it would put that chance at real risk, if we were to bring someone in to "take over".

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Post by: kris_boing on March 19, 2019, 01:05:25 PM
I think this appointment needs to be the 'hit the ground running' and play the 'pragmatic' way.  Its about results now.  Nothing more.  The players we currently have cannot play the way DM wanted to.  That was clear to see.

I'd go for Pearson and Shakespeare or Moyes with a view to getting us promoted.  If we do go up then they will be better suited to keeping us there.

If we fail to get promoted then appoint the likes of Neil, Monk or Jokanovic and get rid of the old guard and rebuild the team with a new style of play.
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Post by: NJS on March 19, 2019, 01:10:52 PM
Hmmn Sir Gary.  I get the feeling he was out of sorts with the board.  He seemed to be an old fashion type of manager who likes to run the whole show himself.  For example, he had a scouting system which didn't admit of a role like Director of Football.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 19, 2019, 01:12:39 PM
I think this appointment needs to be the 'hit the ground running' and play the 'pragmatic' way.  Its about results now.  Nothing more.  The players we currently have cannot play the way DM wanted to.  That was clear to see.

I'd go for Pearson and Shakespeare or Moyes with a view to getting us promoted.  If we do go up then they will be better suited to keeping us there.

If we fail to get promoted then appoint the likes of Neil, Monk or Jokanovic and get rid of the old guard and rebuild the team with a new style of play.

I think I am leaning towards this approach.

I cannot see that appointing Jokanovic at this point in the season will be of benefit.

If this bunch cannot play the way Moore wanted then they will struggle under SJ.

I think the back to basics and trying to get over the line is probably the best approach.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 19, 2019, 01:22:58 PM
Hmmn Sir Gary.  I get the feeling he was out of sorts with the board.  He seemed to be an old fashion type of manager who likes to run the whole show himself.  For example, he had a scouting system which didn't admit of a role like Director of Football.
We are talking 8 matches.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 19, 2019, 01:59:27 PM
I think this appointment needs to be the 'hit the ground running' and play the 'pragmatic' way.  Its about results now.  Nothing more.  The players we currently have cannot play the way DM wanted to.  That was clear to see.

I'd go for Pearson and Shakespeare or Moyes with a view to getting us promoted.  If we do go up then they will be better suited to keeping us there.

If we fail to get promoted then appoint the likes of Neil, Monk or Jokanovic and get rid of the old guard and rebuild the team with a new style of play.

I'd give them the gig for the rest of this season plus next season as well.
We weren't considered good enough for Moyes a few years ago when his stock was high. if he gets the job here we will only be a stepping stone until something better comes along.
Plus he's a sweaty sock  8)
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 19, 2019, 02:05:05 PM
We are talking 8 matches.

I always got the impression you work FOR Gary Megson. IMO we want someone who will work WITH James Shan, the staff, & the players to get us over the line.
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Post by: Mister AT on March 19, 2019, 02:19:26 PM
I think this appointment needs to be the 'hit the ground running' and play the 'pragmatic' way.  Its about results now.  Nothing more.  The players we currently have cannot play the way DM wanted to.  That was clear to see.

I'd go for Pearson and Shakespeare or Moyes with a view to getting us promoted.  If we do go up then they will be better suited to keeping us there.

If we fail to get promoted then appoint the likes of Neil, Monk or Jokanovic and get rid of the old guard and rebuild the team with a new style of play.

To be honest I had forgot about Pearson, that's a name I think the board will consider. That pairing could work well alongside Shan to see us over the line. You would say we are one foot in the playoffs at the moment and its more a case of going into the playoffs with momentum and then the knowhow to win the semis.

As much as Shan has done a good job, giving him the task of that is huge, at least alongside Pearson and Shakey, he's working with two guys who know the league, know the club and have a bit more experience.

Could work well.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 19, 2019, 02:34:23 PM
Knowing the club is not a reason to employ someone, in fact where we are concerned it should be an active reason not to... This is hugely disappointing that it's even rumoured; we need a completely fresh start.


Just go and get Slavisa Jokanovic.
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Post by: SmethDan on March 19, 2019, 02:55:41 PM
Maybe 100% is a slight exaggeration but you surely get the gist. Anyone who was at Wembley for Spurs away last season under Megson couldn't have failed to notice the significant passion and pride in the atmosphere in the away end that day, whether or not it was from 100% of our support or not, it was close enough and good enough for me! Yes, he should have been undoubtedly given the job last season, I firmly believe we would not have gone down. The other names being banded about in the likelihood of a temporary appointment leave me a little deflated to say the least, I just think the emotion and pride from a return of Megson would see us get over the winning line in the Play Offs, I don't think anyone else appointed would come close to creating that feeling.

Oh I absolutely get the gist and yes I was there too. The noise we made that day was great, as was the time spent in the Green Man before and after the match too. Such a pity we didn't take all three points. However, at times like this I'm always reminded of the following............

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all the people all of the time” (Poet John Lydgate as made famous by Abraham Lincoln)

............ in truth though I can't help but think that when it comes to all things Albion the 'you can please all of the people some of the time' could be replaced with 'there's always a few never happy with anybodies' too  ;D .
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Post by: baggie38 on March 19, 2019, 02:57:07 PM
Heard we aren't even after Neil but are seriously considering Appleton.
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Post by: gerry m on March 19, 2019, 03:13:25 PM
Heard we aren't even after Neil but are seriously considering Appleton.

Not surprising as Preston would look for a large amount of compensation that i can't see the club will pay.
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Post by: wbatillidie on March 19, 2019, 03:18:18 PM
Heard we aren't even after Neil but are seriously considering Appleton.

Odds for Appleton 25/1 with betvictor, worth a go
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Post by: gazberg on March 19, 2019, 03:44:55 PM
Appleton?? Oh lordy the board never learn.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 19, 2019, 04:22:20 PM
It's going to be Jokanovic. I reckon we'll be hearing something tomorrow or Thursday. I can't see us paying compensation when the outstanding realistic candidate is a free agent. I would be shocked if we risk leaving the team in untested hands with so much at stake.
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Post by: frazzle on March 19, 2019, 04:23:10 PM
I’d love it if we appointed another black manager. Shove it up Durham. Kluivert!
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Post by: geoff on March 19, 2019, 04:29:08 PM
I’d love it if we appointed another black manager. Shove it up Durham. Kluivert!

someone like Ruud Gullet you mean
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Post by: BAGGIE5 on March 19, 2019, 05:05:35 PM
Heard we aren't even after Neil but are seriously considering Appleton.

Not surprised, this rumour will just get stronger with inactivity.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2019, 05:52:48 PM
Given our Scrooge like track record with appointing managers, I could never see us paying compensation for another clubs manager, so I never considered Neal was a runner personally.
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Post by: mr multivac on March 19, 2019, 05:54:03 PM
It goes from bad to worse if the whole point of sacking big Dave
Was to increase our chances of winning the play offs and getting
Back to the big bucks why are we not offering a top available manager
A short contract on a basic salary and a massive bonus to get us back to the
Prem ,it’s win win then if we don’t go up we
Don’t pay the bonus and can re-evaluate for next year  the man in charge
Has not made the bonus but as earned some dosh
And walks away and takes his chances on being
Re employed with same chance as if he takes us up
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 19, 2019, 06:23:59 PM
I’m surprised a manager like Alexander Zorniger hasn’t been connected, German (popular choice at the moment) who has European experience and had great successes at Brøndby and Leipzig while having the failure of Stuttgart to push his valuation down to our bracket. Strong willed but attack minded with players like Timo Pukki succeeding under his management. He’s also a free agent right now.
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 19, 2019, 07:48:49 PM
What has come out tonight that we are considering letting Shan stay in caretaker charge until the end of the season is just pure embarrasing.

Many know by my posts that I never rated DM but why sack the bloke when we had no one lined up is a complete joke.

Always on the cheap Albion. Some things never change.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on March 19, 2019, 07:49:35 PM
What has come out tonight that we are considering letting Shan stay in caretaker charge until the end of the season is just pure embarrasing.

Many know by my posts that I never rated DM but why sack the bloke when we had no one lined up is a complete joke.

Always on the cheap Albion. Some things never change.

Got to agree but also not surprised one bit by the whole thing, laughing stock
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 19, 2019, 08:03:31 PM
This was the major reason for not sacking Moore

Look at the alternatives

If Jokanovic wanted this job he would have been in the sportsman watching the game last week.

The rebuild in the summer is going to be off putting for many - it’s why we’Re facing the Appleton & Shan appointment..
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 19, 2019, 08:14:51 PM
What has come out tonight that we are considering letting Shan stay in caretaker charge until the end of the season is just pure embarrasing.

Always on the cheap Albion. Some things never change.

I assume you're referring to the BBC report?

Matt Wilson reported some days ago that we were considering bringing in an interim Manager to work alongside James Shan, the BBC report just verifies that.
The only additional information from the BBC is M Appleton hasn't been approached, or isn't expecting one.
Not sure how well connected Simon Stone is.
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 19, 2019, 08:25:23 PM
I assume you're referring to the BBC report?

Matt Wilson reported some days ago that we were considering bringing in an interim Manager to work alongside James Shan, the BBC report just verifies that.
The only additional information from the BBC is M Appleton hasn't been approached, or isn't expecting one.
Not sure how well connected Simon Stone is.



Yes mate the BBC one. I’m just embarrassed in general too that it’s coming up to 2 weeks since the club made the decision to sack DM and still no appointment. What would they have done if Shan had lost to Swansea ? Would they have panicked and appointed anybody just to fill the job? Because that’s the mentality it looks to be.

We always do it on the cheap and with no ambition what so ever.

The fans deserve better.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on March 19, 2019, 08:47:02 PM
I know what you are saying is correct Dan , but no manager will ever get 100% supporter backing. We have not had a manager since, nor will we, who was "adored" like SGM was when we pipped the Dingles though,and then, when not backed in the Prem and relegated, got us back again.
51 years a season ticket holder and I won't hear a word said against him.
Some of the potential manager's being mentioned on here. Words bloody fail me. I'll shut up on this subject now !
I think he would be a good appointment
There would be no room for cliques or favours, SGM is wise enough to know he wouldn't be here next year and I genuinely think we could still make top 2

I understand the calls forbjokanovic, but he is not the man for 8 games, he needs transfers and a full season.
Get SGM in
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 19, 2019, 09:03:18 PM


Yes mate the BBC one. I’m just embarrassed in general too that it’s coming up to 2 weeks since the club made the decision to sack DM and still no appointment. What would they have done if Shan had lost to Swansea ? Would they have panicked and appointed anybody just to fill the job? Because that’s the mentality it looks to be.

We always do it on the cheap and with no ambition what so ever.

The fans deserve better.


Pretty sure that the immediate objective is to get promoted to the EPL.

Given that any new manager has to work with the existing squad of players, & probably most of the staff, who James Shan has an in depth knowledge.
Just as a matter of interest, what could the new manager add to the party, to achieve the objective?

By the middle of May, we will either be in the EPL or remain in the EFL. Either way, the choice for Manager (or more importantly, what we pay them) will be much more straight forward.
Our income stream in the EPL is likely to be twice as much as in the EFL, it's unlikely we could afford £2 million per year for a manager in the EFL.
By comparison we were allegedly paying TP around £1.7 million per year.
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Post by: overseas baggie on March 19, 2019, 10:39:05 PM
I’d happily take either SGM or Pearson till the rest of the season, working with Shan. 
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Post by: gazberg on March 19, 2019, 10:50:29 PM
Would much rather have Pearson/GM than Appleton
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 20, 2019, 08:47:02 AM

Pretty sure that the immediate objective is to get promoted to the EPL.

Given that any new manager has to work with the existing squad of players, & probably most of the staff, who James Shan has an in depth knowledge.
Just as a matter of interest, what could the new manager add to the party, to achieve the objective?

By the middle of May, we will either be in the EPL or remain in the EFL. Either way, the choice for Manager (or more importantly, what we pay them) will be much more straight forward.
Our income stream in the EPL is likely to be twice as much as in the EFL, it's unlikely we could afford £2 million per year for a manager in the EFL.
By comparison we were allegedly paying TP around £1.7 million per year.

i know what you are saying, but why sack DM in the first place then? i just do not get it at all and i never rated him. i just think to do that, we should have already had a replacement lined up. some others have posted, what happens if Shan stays in charge and gets us to win the play offs, does he get the job then?

we should have a manager in place who the board believe is good enough to keep us up in the prem, or challenge in the championship, let him get a feel for the club and players etc for the remaining games and then has a full pre-season at least of not coming into the unknown if we appoint him in june/july.

considering Lai paid top end of the market for WBA and his investment is now probably worth 1/3 of what he paid, i would have thought he would show some ambition/urgency to correct the mistakes that keep happening, obviously not and we remain the same, no ambition and doing it on the cheap yet again.

so frustrating.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 20, 2019, 08:57:25 AM
For those questioning the timing, maybe the board think that Shan is more capable of getting results than DM regardless of wo is appointed next. I certainly do.
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Post by: Dexy on March 20, 2019, 09:37:20 AM
For those questioning the timing, maybe the board think that Shan is more capable of getting results than DM regardless of wo is appointed next. I certainly do.
Sadly I agree , our last performances under Moore and Jones lacked so many basics . Frankly I was worried about even getting in a play off spot , at best we'd have gone into them limping form wise.
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Post by: Singhwba on March 20, 2019, 09:48:15 AM
The problem is we have 8/10 maybe 11 games to go.
If a new man comes in, it will take from 2/3 games for the players to get used to his methods and vice versa.

If we appoint someone interim to come in alongside Shan, this will work for now. Someone who knows the players, knows their strengths, hows how to play, stay solid at the back.

There is certainly pros and cons for both.
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Post by: Albionic on March 20, 2019, 09:52:03 AM
It is very highly probable that we will be in REAL pressure pot games as we try to succeed in the play offs. I would worry that Shan could be left to make decisions worth up to £100m without an experienced "mentor / advisor / sounding board" to assist him.

If the board has confidence that James can achieve the clubs objectives with his current team, all well and good, BUT, personally I think its a hell of a gamble.

I wouldn't be averse to asking SGM to come in for a short stint to "help" with a huge bonus for him and Shan to achieve success.  I don't think that SGM would be "tolerated" by the players or the club as a medium term / long term solution, sadly.  (says as much about the players / club as SGM)

Thoughts?

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Post by: mini gaardsoe on March 20, 2019, 09:52:25 AM
Percy saying Shan in charge for Blues game and Jokanovic will be looked at again in the Summer.

Absolute shambles this club has been the last few years, and continues to be so  ::)
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Post by: skyclad99 on March 20, 2019, 10:01:11 AM
i know what you are saying, but why sack DM in the first place then? i just do not get it at all and i never rated him. i just think to do that, we should have already had a replacement lined up. some others have posted, what happens if Shan stays in charge and gets us to win the play offs, does he get the job then?

we should have a manager in place who the board believe is good enough to keep us up in the prem, or challenge in the championship, let him get a feel for the club and players etc for the remaining games and then has a full pre-season at least of not coming into the unknown if we appoint him in june/july.

considering Lai paid top end of the market for WBA and his investment is now probably worth 1/3 of what he paid, i would have thought he would show some ambition/urgency to correct the mistakes that keep happening, obviously not and we remain the same, no ambition and doing it on the cheap yet again.

so frustrating.

I agree with BaggieJohn that our sole ambition is to get us back into the Premier League. However, I think that our current owner [and his consortium] realise that they have had their pants pulled down and will look to sell us at the first available opportunity once we are back in the greed league. There is no evidence to suggest that Mr Lai is prepared to invest big money into the club. He could have gone and bought decent players for the future [Dack for example - lets not debate as to whether we did or did not bid for him] but we have gone down the loan route. The fact that getting money out of China is restricted does not help our cause either.

Darren was given the spanish because of our recent performances, and Mr Lai could see us slipping out of the top 6 and his 'investment' devaluing further. The fact that we have won our last two games strenghtens our position somewhat but I am amazed that they did not have someone lined up beforehand. That just makes us look amateurish.

Unfortunately I think that there is a hidden agenda to what is going on at the Hawthorns, and it relates to balancing the books and getting as much of the investment back ASAP. I believe that the development of the club as a potent force is very much lower down on the list of priorities.

I fear for our future.
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Post by: Dexy on March 20, 2019, 10:33:49 AM
If we can't tempt SJ or that level then letting Shan see the season out makes sense to me .
Worst thing we could have done is get another old timer / has been / never was and give them a 18 month contract.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 20, 2019, 10:43:27 AM
Dennis Wise been spotted
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Post by: tuamigos on March 20, 2019, 10:54:07 AM
Dennis Wise been spotted

I've just seen our milkman by the ground as well but I doubt if he'll get the job.
Oh hang on a minute though!
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Post by: Mister AT on March 20, 2019, 10:59:49 AM
The biggest fear for me with this route is IF Shan (and supporting coaches) get us promoted, then they would be in a very strong position to get the job fulltime. The whole situation is the same thing that happened this time last year with DM.

Shan is integral to our youth set up, he's not ready to be first team manager YET and is definitely not ready to be a premier league manager if he was to guide us up. Would hate to see him leave the club if it didn't work out. He has invested more time into our youth players that a lot of coaches and knows them better than anyone else, would be a big loss to our academy.

But then IF we did get promoted, and didn't give him the job, you can guarantee our good friend at Talksport would have a problem with it and probably say we are hindering young coaches progression and couldn't imagine a bald guy being successful or some over nonsense.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 20, 2019, 11:16:31 AM
John Percy, just reported that it looks like Shan until the end of the season with the club revisiting Jokanovic in the Summer.

I can smell the cheap from here  >:(
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Post by: Albionic on March 20, 2019, 11:21:54 AM
Huge gamble on a guy who hasn't done the job before !

I hope Chris Brunt and co are on board with this !  (genuinely)
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Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 20, 2019, 11:30:30 AM
The sheer incompetence at the highest level of this football club never ceases to amaze me.
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Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 20, 2019, 11:37:27 AM
John Percy, just reported that it looks like Shan until the end of the season with the club revisiting Jokanovic in the Summer.

I can smell the cheap from here  >:(

"Club revisiting Jokanovic in the summer" is a statement which baffles me.  It seems pretty clear that on a Championship budget we aren't willing to pay Jokanovic what he wants.  So I presume we are only willing to 'revist' if we get promoted.  However the whole pull to get Jokanovic is because he is a specialist at getting teams promoted, in the Premier League he has failed.   If there is a time to push for him it is now, not in the summer.
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Post by: Mister AT on March 20, 2019, 11:57:02 AM
"Club revisiting Jokanovic in the summer" is a statement which baffles me.  It seems pretty clear that on a Championship budget we aren't willing to pay Jokanovic what he wants.  So I presume we are only willing to 'revist' if we get promoted.  However the whole pull to get Jokanovic is because he is a specialist at getting teams promoted, in the Premier League he has failed.   If there is a time to push for him it is now, not in the summer.

For me, that's made up my mind that I don't want Jokanovic as our manager.

I want someone who wants to be our manager, who wants to manage the club, not someone who's probably outpriced himself and only interested/affordable if we get promoted.

No thanks, Next.
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Post by: Norfolk Baggie on March 20, 2019, 12:18:41 PM
Not for the first time in recent history, I find myself stunned by our lack of planning.  When we sacked DM, I had though it was with a really clear plan of what we would do next, i.e. a clear candidate lined up and ready to go.  That would have been somewhat harsh but understandable given recent performances.  It is now clear we had no such clear plan.  So we have sacked our manager to effectively default to a first team coach when we are virtually certain of a place in the playoffs.  This is madness, and cannot be the outcome the owner intended surely? 
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Post by: tuamigos on March 20, 2019, 12:19:16 PM
For me, that's made up my mind that I don't want Jokanovic as our manager.

I want someone who wants to be our manager, who wants to manage the club, not someone who's probably outpriced himself and only interested/affordable if we get promoted.

No thanks, Next.

I wouldn't imagine all the blame is with Jokanovic, the way we perform over negotiations I wonder anyone is interested.
If he can't get £30k a week here then perhaps he's waiting for a job to come along that will pay him that much.
You can't blame the bloke.
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Post by: tommcneill on March 20, 2019, 12:20:52 PM
There is a whole level of incompetence at this club. They literally dont know what they are doing.

JS has done well, but we need an experienced guy in to steer us through what could be a pivotal time for the club.

Id also like to see JS continue with our youth team.

Ill be shocked but not surprised if we dont appoint someone soon permanently or experienced enough to see us through till summer

Shocking management of our club
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Post by: baggieboyfred on March 20, 2019, 12:24:25 PM
can't fault JS for his 100% start and I think we will now make the play offs, but worried the board will then think that JS deserved a shot at the management , irrespective whether we get promotion or not .whatever happens an experienced manager is a must and in reality if the candidates they have in mind are not already working they need to get the appointment sorted before the end of the season.
also another potential event may happen to fall in our favour if Bolton go into liquidation and are not allowed to complete their fixtures it means their results are likely get expunged which then puts us only 4 points behind second automatic promotion spot, even more important to get experienced manager in
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Post by: wba_1996 on March 20, 2019, 12:32:19 PM
Easy option as usual from our clowns, it was so predictable and lazy you almost hope it backfires. No chance of promotion now and the new manager has lost out on the chance to get a head start on next season. Every time I think this club has a chance of moving forward they do the exact opposite of what is needed. Jokanovic should have been in place this week.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 20, 2019, 12:36:58 PM
To sack Darren Moore, a relative managerial novice and replace him with someone who has two games under his managerial belt is one of the biggest pieces of incompetence I've seen - and god knows we've pushed it close.

It is a laughable decision to sack Darren Moore and not be able to have any plan as to what happens going forwards.
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Post by: Backofthenet on March 20, 2019, 12:48:02 PM
What an absolute shambles. This lot couldn't run a car boot sale.
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Post by: SmethDan on March 20, 2019, 12:49:11 PM
What an absolute shambles. This lot couldn't run a car boot sale.

True, probably run out of petrol before they got there.
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Post by: lewisant on March 20, 2019, 01:02:49 PM
Absolute disaster if Shan gets it in my humble.

Yes the results have been good but the football has just been back to basics and 3-0 flattered us v Swansea and Brentford missed some good chances v us.

I'm not convinced in the slightest by him.

If promotion was so crucial to sack Moore within an hour of the Ipswich game to give it to one of his backroom staff is just shambolic. Shanbolic.

I'm astounded really.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 20, 2019, 01:04:15 PM
Jimmy Shan 1/2 to become the next PERMANENT manager with BETFRED  ???
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Post by: royhan on March 20, 2019, 01:07:49 PM
I sense a hidden agenda here. The club is saving wages by sacking three senior coaching staff (probably even after paying compensation) and the disinterested owners will probably sell at the end of the season with the new owners able to put their own men in place.
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Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 01:10:04 PM
I really don't know what people are getting their knickers in a knot about. Baring an absolute disaster we're in the play offs which is the best we're realistically going to get now. We've won six points from a possible six under Shan.
We're in no rush. It's almost as if we're desperate to get a head coach in because everyone has one and everyone "should have one", because that's the "norm". Why? Things are OK.

It makes perfect sense to re-evaluate in the summer when we know what league we are in surely?
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 20, 2019, 01:11:33 PM
I sense a hidden agenda here. The club is saving wages by sacking three senior coaching staff (probably even after paying compensation) and the disinterested owners will probably sell at the end of the season with the new owners able to put their own men in place.

The club will have to appoint an assistance in any event so not much of a saving cost here.

I cannot believe they will allow James Shan to go the remainder of the season without a right hand man.
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Post by: kris_boing on March 20, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Pathetic from the club.  I used to tire of JPs penny pinching and lack of forward thinking but the people running the club now are on another level of incompetence.

The sooner Lai sells up and takes Jenkins with him the better.
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Post by: Topman on March 20, 2019, 01:12:18 PM
To be honest I should of been upset when reading this like I was when Alan Irvine was brought in. However nothing surprises me anymore with things like this and wba. I’m actually laughing about how small time we are. I may considered whether I want to renew if it means this board and owners go
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Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 01:17:29 PM
What's the matter with you lot? Seriously what's the problem and what's the hurry?

IF Shan gets us promoted you'll all do an about turn.

Someone said earlier words to the effect of that's our promotion chances gone. Utter nonsense, complete and utter nonsense. We have as good a chance as any of the other three that will end up in the play offs.
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Post by: Albionic on March 20, 2019, 01:18:33 PM
I'm sure that James Shan is a fantastic chap, but this is the CV (from wiki admittedly) our owners are basing risking the future of the club on

James Shan
Personal information
Date of birth   28 October 1978 (age 40)
Place of birth   Bordesley Green, England

Club information
Current team      West Bromwich Albion (caretaker)

Youth career       Walsall

Senior career*
Years                     Team   Apps   (Gls)
Paget Rangers   
   
Teams managed
2014–2018   West Bromwich Albion (U23's)
2018–           West Bromwich Albion (First Team Coach)
2019–           West Bromwich Albion (caretaker)

I (as we all do) hope this is an inspired decision, but it really does make me wonder what its based upon.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 20, 2019, 01:19:43 PM
I really don't know what people are getting their knickers in a knot about. Baring an absolute disaster we're in the play offs which is the best we're realistically going to get now. We've won six points from a possible six under Shan.
We're in no rush. It's almost as if we're desperate to get a head coach in because everyone has one and everyone "should have one", because that's the "norm". Why? Things are OK.

It makes perfect sense to re-evaluate in the summer when we know what league we are in surely?

I think sacking a head coach who has less than 50 games as a manager under his belt and replacing him with someone who has two games under his belt is a reason to get your knickers in a knot.

In sacking Moore the club admitted they got the appointment of a relative novice wrong - rather than learn the lessons they are going to do the same again - especially with so much at stake.

They wanted a quick appointment in readiness for the Swansea game and they ballsed it up.

They obviously want Jokanovic but it seems they do not want to pay the money to appoint him. This notion about him struggling to bed in, despite having two promotions on his CV is short-sighted in my view.

There are enough problems in the summer as it is without being required to appoint a head coach first.

The new man should be in now, taking a good look at the players in readiness for next season - regardless of the division
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Post by: Mo on March 20, 2019, 01:25:46 PM
I really don't know what people are getting their knickers in a knot about. Baring an absolute disaster we're in the play offs which is the best we're realistically going to get now. We've won six points from a possible six under Shan.
We're in no rush. It's almost as if we're desperate to get a head coach in because everyone has one and everyone "should have one", because that's the "norm". Why? Things are OK.

It makes perfect sense to re-evaluate in the summer when we know what league we are in surely?

We have a big turnover of players due in the summer so it would have been ideal for the new man to assess what will be here and plan for what won’t . Given the apparent indecision over this choice there has to be little confidence in the board to get someone in quickly in the summer and even less confidence he will be provided with the necessary means to do his job .

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Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 01:26:10 PM
I think sacking a head coach who has less than 50 games as a manager under his belt and replacing him with someone who has two games under his belt is a reason to get your knickers in a knot.



Why when Shan has a 100% record?

The stuff about Jokanavic is sheer conjecture based on press / media reports most of which have no substance at all and certainly not backed up with any form of evidence and / or direct quotes from anyone inside the club.
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Post by: FallOutBoy on March 20, 2019, 01:26:18 PM
What's the matter with you lot? Seriously what's the problem and what's the hurry?

IF Shan gets us promoted you'll all do an about turn.

Someone said earlier words to the effect of that's our promotion chances gone. Utter nonsense, complete and utter nonsense. We have as good a chance as any of the other three that will end up in the play offs.

You talk about the play-offs like they are a lottery - that's the same reason England kept losing on penalties. It's not a lottery, it's a test of ability, bottle, and managerial nous - and if we go into the play-offs without a proper manager, it's like entering a boxing match with one arm tied behind your back.

We need a proper manager who understands tactics, and knows how to put them into place - not just a guy who seems to be letting the players do what they want.
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Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 01:28:48 PM
You talk about the play-offs like they are a lottery - that's the same reason England kept losing on penalties. It's not a lottery, it's a test of ability, bottle, and managerial nous - and if we go into the play-offs without a proper manager, it's like entering a boxing match with one arm tied behind your back.



You're trying to tell me that Jimmy Shan could win every game from now till the end of the season then one defeat in the play off final is because we don't have a "proper" manager in place. No, doesn't make any sense at all.
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on March 20, 2019, 01:29:03 PM
I've been a baggies fan since the 70's and have seen some poor managers come and go, but I always felt the club had a plan going forward. We've had two dinosaur managers and a rookie manager and now we are continuing our management downward spiral with another rookie manager albeit "on a temporary basis".
What happens if he takes us up?
You know the owners will look at the cheap option again.
All credit to JS and I will hope he is successful with the team, but this club is now a shadow of what it used to be.
A complete team rebuild is facing us at the end of the season and  I don't imagine many potential managers will want to deal with that prospect either.
Makes me sad to thinking about the club I love.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 20, 2019, 01:29:50 PM

Why when Shan has a 100% record?

The stuff about Jokanavic is sheer conjecture based on press / media reports most of which have no substance at all and certainly not backed up with any form of evidence and / or direct quotes from anyone inside the club.

100% record??

He's managed two professional games !!

If Shan is appointed then it is cheap & lazy.
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Post by: hardtobeat on March 20, 2019, 01:30:19 PM
Absolute joke! Jenkins fiddled whilst the club burnt. !! There was a certain justification in sacking DM but there is NO justification for the ostrich like proceedings since
By delaying they surely run the risk of their first choice being snapped by a higher bidder? I want and expect a decision within 48 hours of the end of our last game of the season whenever that is and whatever division we will be playing in next season. Not to do this would be a gross mid management of the club at one of the most important times in the modern history of our club!
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Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 01:32:44 PM
100% record??

He's managed two professional games !!

If Shan is appointed then it is cheap & lazy.

No it buys us time. He may have been in charge for only two games (admitted) but he's won both. He's clearly not absolutely useless, and is perfectly capable of guiding us at least until we get to the stage where we need to re-evaluate the squad. He can't do that now, we have to work with what we have.What new manager is going to know the squad better than Jimmy Shan?
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Post by: frazzle on March 20, 2019, 01:33:04 PM
Joke. Maybe it’s true that Moore either let Jones go or went with him. Only justication.
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Post by: BoingFlyer on March 20, 2019, 01:33:13 PM
Well this is just turning in to an utter embarrassment, after the way Moore was treated I'm no longer surprised by the sheer incompetence of the board.
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Post by: BoingFlyer on March 20, 2019, 01:35:23 PM
Joke. Maybe it’s true that Moore either let Jones go or went with him. Only justication.

I wonder if that conversation went along the lines of, we don't have any decent fit wide midfielders the ones you signed are rubbish we can aim for the play-offs a best.
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Post by: VANDERLEI on March 20, 2019, 01:38:41 PM
Very disappointing if true. The one saving grace is that Shan is much better tactically than than Moore/Jones and will be an upgrade albeit not the one we were all hoping for. If stories are to be believed, Shan setup the team for the last few games of last season despite DM being given the lions share of praise. Maybe this is the reason that the board are showing so much faith in Shan. As long as we stay tight at the back and keep clean sheets and concede less from poor defensive organisation and suicidal passing out from the back, our quality going forward will take care of the rest.
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Post by: Mo on March 20, 2019, 01:39:06 PM

You're trying to tell me that Jimmy Shan could win every game from now till the end of the season then one defeat in the play off final is because we don't have a "proper" manager in place. No, doesn't make any sense at all.

The blunt truth is we all know this is the cheapest get out for the club and yet again we throw a rookie under the bus knowing full well at some point he will be binned off with the rest of them yet those above play the we won’t bankrupt the club and everyone swoons at them . It’s about time they provided some answers instead of hiding .
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 20, 2019, 01:43:22 PM
No it buys us time. He may have been in charge for only two games (admitted) but he's won both. He's clearly not absolutely useless, and is perfectly capable of guiding us at least until we get to the stage where we need to re-evaluate the squad. He can't do that now, we have to work with what we have.What new manager is going to know the squad better than Jimmy Shan?

He would & should be involved in the new set up - alongside a permanent head coach.
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Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 01:46:04 PM
The blunt truth is we all know this is the cheapest get out for the club and yet again we throw a rookie under the bus knowing full well at some point he will be binned off with the rest of them yet those above play the we won’t bankrupt the club and everyone swoons at them . It’s about time they provided some answers instead of hiding .


It's nothing to do with "cheap". Honestly, that's just a "cheap" (sorry  ;D) shot based on ignorance and conforming to the current popular theory circulating amongst fans that are making assessments based on nothing concrete just their natural negativity which is something that is commonplace generally among Albion fans who always play everything down. Contrast that with Villa / Wolves fans who are the complete opposite they always talk their clubs up, yes, at times ridiculously but that's the difference in mentality.

Bottom line FACt here that no-one can argue with because it is 100% FACT. Shan two games, two wins.

There is no need to constantly look at the negative.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 20, 2019, 01:50:38 PM
No it buys us time. He may have been in charge for only two games (admitted) but he's won both. He's clearly not absolutely useless, and is perfectly capable of guiding us at least until we get to the stage where we need to re-evaluate the squad. He can't do that now, we have to work with what we have.What new manager is going to know the squad better than Jimmy Shan?


We don't need to buy time. We need to buy the services of an actual football manager for what are likely to be the 3 most important games this club has played for a decade. We cannot rely on a novice in the play offs. The 2nd half of Appletons match against West Ham is enough to tell you that.


Very blasé stance you are taking here.
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Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 01:54:00 PM

We don't need to buy time. We need to buy the services of an actual football manager for what are likely to be the 3 most important games this club has played for a decade. We cannot rely on a novice in the play offs. The 2nd half of Appletons match against West Ham is enough to tell you that.


Very blasé stance you are taking here.


So, if we can't get Jokanovic for whatever reason what then? Appoint someone we don't want for the sake of it? Appoint Allardyce because he's available and a "proper" manager.?

There's no need to panic, there really isn't.

PS! Appleton has nothing to do with this situation now whatsoever................ unless we appoint him as manager of course.

Just keep calm folks.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 20, 2019, 01:55:48 PM

So, if we can't get Jokanovic for whatever reason what then? Appoint someone we don't want for the sake of it? Appoint Allardyce because he's available and a "proper" manager.?

There's no need to panic, there really isn't.

PS! Appleton has nothing to do with this situation now whatsoever................ unless we appoint him as manager of course.

Just keep calm folks.


Allardyce until the end of the season would be eminently preferable to sticking with Shan.
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Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 02:02:51 PM
Why? He's right.

No he isn't.

Allardyce? There's 2,000 off the gate for a start. Wolves man. Do you not remember Ron Saunders and Brian Little?

Allardyce would be a disaster an absolute, catastrophic disaster which would tear the club apart.
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 20, 2019, 02:04:43 PM
The biggest fear for me with this route is IF Shan (and supporting coaches) get us promoted, then they would be in a very strong position to get the job fulltime. The whole situation is the same thing that happened this time last year with DM.



As I understand it (from Matt Wilson), it was GL who wanted DM as Head Coach, the board wanted to appoint Dean Smith.
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Post by: OllieTheBaggie on March 20, 2019, 02:09:39 PM

Shan is integral to our youth set up, he's not ready to be first team manager YET and is definitely not ready to be a premier league manager if he was to guide us up. Would hate to see him leave the club if it didn't work out. He has invested more time into our youth players that a lot of coaches and knows them better than anyone else, would be a big loss to our academy.


This was exactly the case with DM, didn't stop us losing a promising coach/AM because we fancied the cheap option.
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Post by: Albionic on March 20, 2019, 02:13:20 PM

We don't need to buy time. We need to buy the services of an actual football manager for what are likely to be the 3 most important games this club has played for a decade. We cannot rely on a novice in the play offs. The 2nd half of Appletons match against West Ham is enough to tell you that.


Very blasé stance you are taking here.

Abso  bloody lutely  its just plain negligent to not give Shan every support at such a crucial time. 

In fact if it transpires that this is the "plan" every director should be summarily dismissed by the chairman for gross negligence.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 02:20:16 PM
Why has my post been deleted that states quite correctly that the chairman doesn't have the power to sack directors?

I stated it is nonsense and it is so where is the offence?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 20, 2019, 02:21:03 PM
Why has my post been deleted that states quite correctly that the chairman doesn't have the power to sack directors?

I am guessing the manner in which you are currently putting your points across...

"Support the decision to appoint Shan or you are talking nonsense".
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 02:22:04 PM
I am guessing the manner in which you are currently putting your points across...

"Support the decision to appoint Shan or you are talking nonsense".


I didn't say that, read back.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 20, 2019, 02:26:43 PM

I didn't say that, read back.

I can't your post got bombed  ;D

I have no issue with you wanting Shan appointed. You cite his record of 2 games 2 wins, but ultimately Darren had a fantastic record at the back end of last season, he was still a terrible head coach. Jacko, and I back him on it, stated that appointing an experienced manager until the end of the season would be a better alternative, even if that was an Allardyce, purely for the fact that big game decision making is something garnered over time. If it came to the crunch in a play off semi final, I would not back Shan to have the requisite experience to make the right calls.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 02:29:57 PM
I can't your post got bombed  ;D

I have no issue with you wanting Shan appointed. You cite his record of 2 games 2 wins, but ultimately Darren had a fantastic record at the back end of last season, he was still a terrible head coach. Jacko, and I back him on it, stated that appointing an experienced manager until the end of the season would be a better alternative, even if that was an Allardyce, purely for the fact that big game decision making is something garnered over time. If it came to the crunch in a play off semi final, I would not back Shan to have the requisite experience to make the right calls.


I don't necessarily WANT Shan appointed I just don't see the need to hurry as things are far from desperate that is all. I'm not some Shan groupie or anything like that I just think people need to stop, think and keep things in perspective. Some people are acting like there's some sort of crisis. I don't see any crisis here by a long way.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: johnny Cash on March 20, 2019, 02:34:03 PM
Why has my post been deleted that states quite correctly that the chairman doesn't have the power to sack directors?

I stated it is nonsense and it is so where is the offence?

Lai isnt the chairman is he?

Plus to be fair I think Albionic probably meant Lai should sack the senior managers and executive directors which I imagine as owner he can, rather than other shareholding directors.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 20, 2019, 02:34:54 PM
Lai isnt the chairman is he?

Plus to be fair I think Albionic probably meant Lai should sack the senior managers and executive directors which I imagine as owner he can, rather than other shareholding directors.


No, Lai is the owner.

Li Piyue is the chairman or nearest we have to it.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 20, 2019, 02:35:57 PM

I don't necessarily WANT Shan appointed I just don't see the need to hurry as things are far from desperate that is all. I'm not some Shan groupie or anything like that I just think people need to stop, think and keep things in perspective. Some people are acting like there's some sort of crisis. I don't see any crisis here by a long way.

I don't think anyone necessarily sees crisis, I think they see it more the way I have seen it all season, that this season, with this squad of players, is our best chance of getting back to the Premier League because if we fail to do so, it will need a complete rebuild next season and our owner shows no sign of putting in the requisite funds to make it a rebuild full of quality. So with this in mind, giving ourselves the best chance of getting up in the play offs has to be the current remit and the inexperienced Shan, for me and many others I assume, is not the man for the occasion, much as I would want nothing more than to be proven wrong were he given the role.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 20, 2019, 02:41:14 PM
Posts which are accusing others of talking rubbish, nonsense or advising others to give their heads a wobble are being removed.

If it continues then there's 7 day bans, regardless of who you are or how long you have been a member on this forum.

If we're going to have these discussions - lets do it properly. 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mulliganstired on March 20, 2019, 03:00:44 PM
I just don't really see what fantastic advantage a new manager can bring things right now with 8 + 2/3 to go, given the state of our squad.  Brunt and Morrison have come in for stick at times, but they, along with Dawson, Hegazi, Gibbs, Rodriguez, Gayle, Phillips and Barry know what they are doing on a football pitch and I can't see a new set of tactics having time to bed in - more likely to just confuse the issue.  Brunt looked like a leader on the pitch again at Brentford, so as long as Shan can make logical plain vanilla subs when needed, give the players a bit of licence to play.  Make a calm appointment for next season in whatever division later.  Tin hat on now.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: ComebackStrodds on March 20, 2019, 03:05:21 PM
Alan Buckley was seen at the Hawthorne’s in talks to take over until the end of the season, excellent appointment.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on March 20, 2019, 03:05:49 PM

No, Lai is the owner.

Li Piyue is the chairman or nearest we have to it.

What Johnny says is what i meant !  Change chairman to owner, thanks for pointing out my error.
To be crystal clear, If Li Piyue is a part of this "process' then he should go as well.

BTW, I have no problem with Shan per se, I have an issue with the club hanging him out to dry. which is how I see the situation as it stands today.


Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on March 20, 2019, 03:14:27 PM
For what its worth, Shan is more experienced that DM in terms of coaching. Granted doesn't have as much first team match day experience - but he's been involved with the first team throughout DM's reign, and he has years of experience coaching the youth/under 23's.

You could argue the fact he's a better choice as manager than Darren was. Afterall, we don't know who did most the work last season on a mini revival. Could be another case of Pepe Mel/Downing.

If he is to be given the rest of the season, then he just needs to continue doing what hes doing. Playing players in their positions, making substitutions which make sense and just seeing us through.

90% of the time the playoffs are decided by a moment of brilliance, once we get to those games then its up to the players to earn their money and show their 'class.'
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on March 20, 2019, 03:24:50 PM
We seem to be talking ourselves into Shan being appointed will be a good move........

It will be a gamble, a cheap option and ultimately a car crash once he hits a poor run of form, which is not fair on him.

Hopefully our board have a master plan, but there is no evidence of one at present.

Genuinely worried.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mister AT on March 20, 2019, 03:29:32 PM
We seem to be talking ourselves into Shan being appointed will be a good move........

It will be a gamble, a cheap option and ultimately a car crash once he hits a poor run of form, which is not fair on him.

Hopefully our board have a master plan, but there is no evidence of one at present.

Genuinely worried.

I think we are all aware its a gamble, but its less of a risk in my opinion to have Shan in now till the end of the season, than for example a 'Pepe Mel' type player who would want to change the style of play. We needed someone in place for this international break in all honesty, to give them chance to make a couple tweaks here and there and spend a bit of time with the players, that hasn't happened for whatever reason so it looks as though Shan is being given the task of seeing us into the playoffs.

If this season ends in failure, then the blame lies with the owners and the board, not Shan.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 20, 2019, 03:32:13 PM
For what its worth, Shan is more experienced that DM in terms of coaching. Granted doesn't have as much first team match day experience - but he's been involved with the first team throughout DM's reign, and he has years of experience coaching the youth/under 23's.

You could argue the fact he's a better choice as manager than Darren was. Afterall, we don't know who did most the work last season on a mini revival. Could be another case of Pepe Mel/Downing.

If he is to be given the rest of the season, then he just needs to continue doing what hes doing. Playing players in their positions, making substitutions which make sense and just seeing us through.

90% of the time the playoffs are decided by a moment of brilliance, once we get to those games then its up to the players to earn their money and show their 'class.'

Agreed, If only Kevin Phillips shot had gone under the bar instead of hitting it.  :(
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: royhan on March 20, 2019, 04:10:42 PM
The longer this situation drags on the more suspicious I am becoming that there is a lot more to the three dismissals than meets the eye. Why would we get rid of Moore, such a club legend, at a crucial time of the season without having a replacement lined up? I suppose the truth will come out in the wash one day! Whatever the reason it is, as others have said, a shambolic state of affairs. We really need a football man at the helm not a business speculator such as Mr Lai who has so far been a total disaster. Our club deserves a lot better.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 20, 2019, 04:37:22 PM
the fans deserve a lot better than this tripe being served up by the club at the minute.

it is the cheap option as it always is at the albion with letting shan see us through the play offs and a huge gamble. we should have done our homework leading up to sacking moore, that has been proven we obviously didnt.

complete shambles by the club again. we should be appointing a manager this week who is proven and not too different of the style we are used to playing at who can work alongside Shan.

so pi**ed off with the club over this at the moment then get an email reminder about renewing my season ticket. joke.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 20, 2019, 05:09:47 PM
I woke up in a cold sweat last night, I’d dreamt Alan Pardew had been reappointed Head Coach. When I came round a bit more, I had a good chuckle to myself and suddenly stopped, started chivering and rethought myself “This is Albion”  :-X :-\ :'(
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on March 20, 2019, 05:19:28 PM
If Shan get's us up do we give him the job full time?
We are digging ourselves another hole like we did with Moore.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on March 20, 2019, 05:21:13 PM
The longer this situation drags on the more suspicious I am becoming that there is a lot more to the three dismissals than meets the eye. Why would we get rid of Moore, such a club legend, at a crucial time of the season without having a replacement lined up? I suppose the truth will come out in the wash one day! Whatever the reason it is, as others have said, a shambolic state of affairs. We really need a football man at the helm not a business speculator such as Mr Lai who has so far been a total disaster. Our club deserves a lot better.

I was only saying this today. Something has gone on behind the scenes to cause the mass sackings.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Baggies on March 20, 2019, 05:35:14 PM
I was only saying this today. Something has gone on behind the scenes to cause the mass sackings.

I don't think there is any grand back story which has resulted in the spate of sackings over the last 15 months, it is just the sign of a poorly run club, not making good appointments or decisions, on a downward spiral.

This managerial search is proving to be a farce. May as well have kept Moore.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: caravanc58 on March 20, 2019, 06:09:41 PM
we don't half make hard work of it. I'm not sure the club knows what it wants to do. would sooner get the long term option in now and if we fail to get up at least he's had a chance to see what he's got and what s needed. Don't see any point in appointing someone til the end of season.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 20, 2019, 06:40:16 PM
I was only saying this today. Something has gone on behind the scenes to cause the mass sackings.

I'm still convinced that fell out over the rubbish window. Murphy is the best of a bad bunch, johansen has been no where near the team and in my opinion was not needed. What was needed was two very good wide players.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: wimbledon baggie on March 20, 2019, 06:40:34 PM
What I don't like is that JS has been at the club more than a decade (has overseen Harper and Edwards and Field etc come through the academy) and that long term stability is being put at risk by asking him to take on immensely important games at the business end of the season.

If there is a guarantee that he will revert to his existing role after the season end whatever the outcome then I am less concerned but if there is a possibility that he will have to leave the club if he 'fails' then that would be a shambles in my view.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: sammyg on March 20, 2019, 07:00:07 PM
What I don't like is that JS has been at the club more than a decade (has overseen Harper and Edwards and Field etc come through the academy) and that long term stability is being put at risk by asking him to take on immensely important games at the business end of the season.

If there is a guarantee that he will revert to his existing role after the season end whatever the outcome then I am less concerned but if there is a possibility that he will have to leave the club if he 'fails' then that would be a shambles in my view.

A right jimmy shanbles!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gerry m on March 20, 2019, 07:07:57 PM
I believe a poster said on here regarding hiring a coach and offering them a £2m bonus for getting us promoted. Surely this amounts to peanuts for the money we would accrue for being in the Premiership. To my mind anything less would mean a lack of ambition from the board.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Barrington on March 20, 2019, 08:20:00 PM
I don't believe there was any unknown conspiracy behind the sackings of Moore and Jones.

I think that the board just believed that their methods were actively making us worse than would be achieved through just using a 'default' simple set up and tactics. I'm with them too. Moore and Jones kept trying to make a failing method of play a success when it was proven to be unsuccessful time and time again. They could have literally appointed any one of us with half a brain and let us simply tell the players to revert back to basics, and I believe we couldn't have been any worse than the pairing of Moore and Jones.

They let them go and we've won 2 on the bounce. Probably best to just keep it simple now for the final run in and tell the players that if they want to be Premier League players again, just go out there and try to win every remaining game of the season.

Not sure bringing in a new man with a whole set of new ideas is going to help too much at exactly this stage. We needed rid of Moore and Jones though.

Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: richjonawba on March 20, 2019, 08:26:32 PM
I don't believe there was any unknown conspiracy behind the sackings of Moore and Jones.

I think that the board just believed that their methods were actively making us worse than would be achieved through just using a 'default' simple set up and tactics. I'm with them too. Moore and Jones kept trying to make a failing method of play a success when it was proven to be unsuccessful time and time again. They could have literally appointed any one of us with half a brain and let us simply tell the players to revert back to basics, and I believe we couldn't have been any worse than the pairing of Moore and Jones.

They let them go and we've won 2 on the bounce. Probably best to just keep it simple now for the final run in and tell the players that if they want to be Premier League players again, just go out there and try to win every remaining game of the season.

Not sure bringing in a new man with a whole set of new ideas is going to help too much at exactly this stage. We needed rid of Moore and Jones though.

Just my opinion.

I agree with what you say, but I do feel sorry for Shan being chucked in at the deep end and I would like to see us employ someone to help him out, I think Shakespeare would be a good choice.

I am also disappointed, though not at all surprised, that the board didn't have any plan before sacking Moore (which they had been considering since November). What if Shan had lost the last two games? Who would have got the job then? The Under 10s coach?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Baggy nerd on March 20, 2019, 08:44:51 PM
If we were mid table I could see the sense in keeping Shan to the end of the season and then looking for the best manager. With the play-offs so likely it is too much of a gamble to stick with him and what would happen if he somehow got us up?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 20, 2019, 09:16:40 PM
If we were mid table I could see the sense in keeping Shan to the end of the season and then looking for the best manager. With the play-offs so likely it is too much of a gamble to stick with him and what would happen if he somehow got us up?

IMO, you could argue that a mid table position is good grounds to install a new manager with a view to a promotion bid next season.
The fact that we still have a good chance of promotion this year, makes the selection of a new manager more complex, as we don't know what division we'll be in.

As others have said, I'm not sure what a new manager, who doesn't know the players, can bring to the party at this stage of the season.

Looking at James Shan's pre & post match interviews, I don't think he would expect it to be a full time appointment & especially in the EPL.
I'd be disappointed if JS  isn't retained in some capacity at the end of this process.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a left field appointment when JS's experienced help is named.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Baggy nerd on March 20, 2019, 09:59:27 PM
IMO, you could argue that a mid table position is good grounds to install a new manager with a view to a promotion bid next season.
The fact that we still have a good chance of promotion this year, makes the selection of a new manager more complex, as we don't know what division we'll be in.

As others have said, I'm not sure what a new manager, who doesn't know the players, can bring to the party at this stage of the season.

Looking at James Shan's pre & post match interviews, I don't think he would expect it to be a full time appointment & especially in the EPL.
I'd be disappointed if JS  isn't retained in some capacity at the end of this process.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a left field appointment when JS's experienced help is named.

A new manager could bring a lot to the party in the play-offs that Shan wont be able to.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: WBArgo on March 20, 2019, 10:15:20 PM
Lets back Shan until the end of the season. It's not ideal but based on early days he's actually done very well and in the immediate short-term has improved on the rut which Moore had found himself in.

Who knows, he could turn out to be excellent, if not then it's the clubs fault and not his.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 20, 2019, 10:21:08 PM
A new manager could bring a lot to the party in the play-offs that Shan wont be able to.

Could you give some examples?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Wigmore on March 20, 2019, 10:28:33 PM
Considering that we don't know too much about what has happened (and what is now happening) at the club there seems to be some emotive language and harsh judgements flying about.

Shambles?
Really? I would reserve that for the time when WBA have such a run of results (and zero morale) as we suffered when the dad dancing charlatan was in charge.

Lack of progress in signing a new manager?
Although WBA have not achieved this objective, can anybody confirm who has been approached and what was their response, as all the so-called ITK clickbait journo's seem clueless and/or contradictory?  If not all this talk about cheap options and incompetence is mere uninformed speculation. I have not seen one syllable about Shan's future within the club after his caretaker role, but he is being promoted (negatively) as a long term appointee or alternatively being flung out on his ear.

Crisis?
When we face a 12 point deduction for FFP failures, or the players haven't been paid or the club faces administration, I will agree with the use of the word. Until then I will allow myself to be disappointed with the unfolding saga - nothing more.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie82 on March 20, 2019, 10:30:09 PM
Not appointing anyone is ridiculous IMV. Why not sack what’s left of the coaching team and let the players manage themselves? The past two games should have no bearing. If you choose your management on two matches that would be one hell of a constant merry go round. Why not just appoint Jokanovic and be done with it? Theresa May levels of dithering from the board. Pretty sure it’s going to backfire big time and leave the boardroom looking like gullible idiots.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: elkiellis on March 20, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
I think stick with Shan until the end of the season,a new manager might try and change things too much and not have enough games left to impose his style,Shan obviously knows the players and who can do what ie Edwards wouldn't have made the bench with Big Dave in charge last week.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Wigmore on March 20, 2019, 10:49:14 PM
Why not just appoint Jokanovic and be done with it? Theresa May levels of dithering from the board. Pretty sure it’s going to backfire big time and leave the boardroom looking like gullible idiots.
Unless you know definitively what the club have tried to do about signing SJ, your comments are totally unwarranted. Have you thought about the fact that WBA may well have been turned down?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie82 on March 20, 2019, 10:54:42 PM
Unless you know definitively what the club have tried to do about signing SJ, your comments are totally unwarranted. Have you thought about the fact that WBA may well have been turned down?

Totally unwarranted is your aggression to an alternative view you don’t like. Why on earth would the club not have spoken to his agent and gauged his terms and ideas before even making the decision to sack Moore, how did Leicester managed to appoint Rogers in 24hrs? It would only have taken a few phone calls to work out if he was interested and his terms. He hasn’t spoken publicly and doesn’t have a job. Dice it up which every way you want, sacking the manager and his assistant and then having no idea what to do isn’t good enough.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on March 20, 2019, 10:56:15 PM
Right now we have a roughly 25% chance of getting promoted most likely via the play-offs or looking at it another way we are most likely to be in the Championship next season. With just 8 games plus maybe 3 play-off fixtures I don't see any appointment really moving the dial on that much.

Shan has done the one obvious thing which is hit the reset button reintroduce the pragmatic (being kind here) type of football that seems to suit this squad. Realistically what is anyone else going to do? Work through a couple of games before they realise that's pretty much their only option and regress back to it or something pretty similar.

I am bewildered by the names being linked with us to help Shan to the end of the season in particular Appleton and or Shakespeare. It is crazy that we are back to a position that the Assistant will have far more experience than the Head Coach. If we appoint either they will become the de facto interim Head Coach even if Shan is fronting up the operation.

I think I read somewhere that Shan has ruled himself out of taking over on a permanent basis. Even if we are promoted the club should not try to persuade him otherwise. It is falling back into the mistake of assuming that the caretaker can step up. Moore did brilliantly across a few games at the end of last season but that wasn't the same as the being up to the task of getting us up this season which remains  a very different challenge.

 Maybe the end of the season is a better time to take a more considered approach to the appointment and which Division we are in has an obvious impact on the type of candidates we can attract, yet we are most likely to be in the Championship and I doubt whether the candidates will be very different to the ones that we realistically have now although the likes of Johnson or Neil would be easier to lure away from their clubs. 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Baggy nerd on March 20, 2019, 10:57:10 PM
Could you give some examples?
We have no idea yet whether Shan has the tactical knowledge/experience to be able to cope in a difficult situation, so far he hasn't needed to come from behind or play with 10 men. When we go 1-0 down in the play-off final and go down to 10 men I would rather have a manager who will have experienced it before and will know what to do.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Wigmore on March 20, 2019, 11:56:27 PM
Totally unwarranted is your aggression to an alternative view you don’t like. Why on earth would the club not have spoken to his agent and gauged his terms and ideas before even making the decision to sack Moore, how did Leicester managed to appoint Rogers in 24hrs? It would only have taken a few phone calls to work out if he was interested and his terms. He hasn’t spoken publicly and doesn’t have a job. Dice it up which every way you want, sacking the manager and his assistant and then having no idea what to do isn’t good enough.
You don't know why DM was fired.
You don't know SJ was even a target for the job. You don't know who the club may have spoken to or been knocked back by. Just keep slagging the club off without any facts.....
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 20, 2019, 11:58:40 PM
You don't know he was even a target for the job. You don't know who the club may have spoken to or been knocked back by. Just keep slagging the club off without any facts.....


Not often I agree with 82, but if you don't think the club has made a balls up of this sacking/appointment I'm not sure what they would need to do wrong to incur your ire... It's an absolutely abysmal performance in what is a straightforward market especially when your prime target is out of work.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Wigmore on March 21, 2019, 12:08:02 AM

Not often I agree with 82, but if you don't think the club has made a balls up of this sacking/appointment I'm not sure what they would need to do wrong to incur your ire... It's an absolutely abysmal performance in what is a straightforward market especially when your prime target is out of work.
Perhaps your prime target was not the club's prime target. :D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 21, 2019, 12:16:21 AM
Perhaps your prime target was not the club's prime target. :D


Except it obviously was/is.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: stever60 on March 21, 2019, 03:15:09 AM

Except it obviously was/is.
and you know that how?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: SirTonyM on March 21, 2019, 04:21:19 AM
What concerns me most in this latest development is the lack of a vision (plan) / investment in the managerial position. The manager (head coach) of the team is arguably the most important appointment in the club. It would make sense to assign the right amount of money to make sure you get the right appointment. If you look back on our recent history the negligence, lack of vision and lack of investment in the manager has got us into the position we are in.
Let's go back and take a look...Di Matteo is the last manager we "prized" away from a team (and that was MK Dons in a lower division). We have refused to pay compensation and so have always employed managers out of work. Pepe Mel wasn't able to bring the backroom team he wanted because of money. Alan Irvine was such a shock at the time because we wouldn't pay money for managers that had certain demands and they wanted control but we wanted a "head coach". Pardew was mates with Nick Hammond and was out of work. When it comes to appointing managers Hodgson was the last one that felt like a coup or got me excited (where we paid good money to the manager) but we only got him because he failed at Liverpool and needed to rebuild his reputation and was also out of work. Pulis was out of work.
It just seems we don't want to invest in a decent manager and don't have a long term vision of what we want him to do. I have said it many times on here but in looking at our recent appointments who assumes anyone at the top of the club knows what they are doing. Look at this list and tell me what the thinking was.
Moore
Pardew
Pulis
Irvine
Mel
Clarke
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: alwaysbilly on March 21, 2019, 06:28:09 AM
We have no idea yet whether Shan has the tactical knowledge/experience to be able to cope in a difficult situation, so far he hasn't needed to come from behind or play with 10 men. When we go 1-0 down in the play-off final and go down to 10 men I would rather have a manager who will have experienced it before and will know what to do.
Albeit the growing minority, I can’t get my head around th ‘don’t change it because we are winning thoughts.
What happens when/if:-
WBA 1 BIRMINGHAM 1
Millwall 0 WBA 0
Bristol C 4 WBA 0
WBA 1 Preston 2
WBA 1 Hull 1
3 PTS from 15, out of form and clinging to 6th place for a play off semi final vs a better team - season up in smoke and heading downhill.

My biggest worry is the past managerial decisions, (except Hodgson and Pulis*), have been cheap skate and small time.
*Pulis was a perfect choice for the position we were in and I am sure Peace would have fired him before last season even started.

Sleepwalking back to no mans land fast - such a wasted opportunity IMO
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 21, 2019, 06:35:43 AM
Considering that we don't know too much about what has happened (and what is now happening) at the club there seems to be some emotive language and harsh judgements flying about.

Shambles?
Really? I would reserve that for the time when WBA have such a run of results (and zero morale) as we suffered when the dad dancing charlatan was in charge.

Lack of progress in signing a new manager?
Although WBA have not achieved this objective, can anybody confirm who has been approached and what was their response, as all the so-called ITK clickbait journo's seem clueless and/or contradictory?  If not all this talk about cheap options and incompetence is mere uninformed speculation. I have not seen one syllable about Shan's future within the club after his caretaker role, but he is being promoted (negatively) as a long term appointee or alternatively being flung out on his ear.

Crisis?
When we face a 12 point deduction for FFP failures, or the players haven't been paid or the club faces administration, I will agree with the use of the word. Until then I will allow myself to be disappointed with the unfolding saga - nothing more.

You remind me of a bloke from way way back.
His name was Nero, I believe he was a bit of a violin player.
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Post by: hunsletbaggie on March 21, 2019, 06:44:17 AM

Except it obviously was/is.
I Know for a fact it wasn't and have stated in a previous post who the prime target was and why he's not at the club at the moment.
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Post by: tommcneill on March 21, 2019, 06:47:16 AM

I didn't say that, read back.

No but you did say people are talking nonsense, which will get deleted. Simple

Same as ‘give your head a wobble’. Debate without getting personal and your posts won’t get deleted
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Post by: colinmax on March 21, 2019, 07:03:24 AM
We don't know what any appointed manager will achieve but what has Shan achieved so far?
He managed to upset Brentford manager for being defensive and also his admiration for how we played.
After all we did have more than a dozen corners.
He has left out Harper who is promising but not good enough for a certain start.
Left out Livermore who offers very little but always seemed to start under DM.
Picked Kyle Edwards who should have been given a chance at the start of the season.
I would like to see how he proceeds before rushing to make an appointment.
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Post by: Wigmore on March 21, 2019, 08:06:03 AM
You remind me of a bloke from way way back.
His name was Nero, I believe he was a bit of a violin player.

Your historical knowledge is as poor as your knowledge of what is happening within WBAFC. :D
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 21, 2019, 08:15:58 AM
Albeit the growing minority, I can’t get my head around th ‘don’t change it because we are winning thoughts.
What happens when/if:-
WBA 1 BIRMINGHAM 1
Millwall 0 WBA 0
Bristol C 4 WBA 0
WBA 1 Preston 2
WBA 1 Hull 1
3 PTS from 15, out of form and clinging to 6th place for a play off semi final vs a better team - season up in smoke and heading downhill.

My biggest worry is the past managerial decisions, (except Hodgson and Pulis*), have been cheap skate and small time.
*Pulis was a perfect choice for the position we were in and I am sure Peace would have fired him before last season even started.

Sleepwalking back to no mans land fast - such a wasted opportunity IMO

IMO the reasoning behind leaving JS in place for the remainder of the season is far deeper than "don't change it because we're winning".
As you pointed out, there is a risk, but there is also clearly a synergy in the club at the moment, that wasn't there with DM/GJ.
Making a permanent appointment at this stage wouldn't guarantee promotion, & I'm not sure we'd gain any longer term advantage either.

I'm not advocating JS as a longer term solution, but I do think it's worth the risk, provided we do make a permanent appointment early in the summer.
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Post by: hardtobeat on March 21, 2019, 09:02:46 AM
The more I think about it the more I think it is non sensical NOT to appoint new manager ASAP.  Surely any new bloke will need time to asses what he has and what will be needed playing wise for whatever division we find ourselves in. We have so many loans and out of contract situations to be resolved or replaced it won't be possible to do all the necessary if the appoint ments get left until the start of pre season, add to this any scouting /coaching changes that the incoming may want to make..As the sackings had apparently been under consideration since November the powers that be should have had plenty of time to consider who the next taxi on the rank should be and the delay is inexcusable !!
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Post by: seteefeet on March 21, 2019, 09:37:21 AM
Surely the "cheap" option would have been to keep Moore, as, i presume, we will now have to pay him and Jones off?
I think there has to be more to the sacking than a run of 3 bad results (I don't believe for a second that style of play or pi$$ing about at the back had anything to do with it as neither  Lai nor Jenkins know anything about football or care one jot about fans opinion. Yes our home form was poor but that was offset with terrific away form so the win % was still very good.). If not then it is a serious, and costly, error on their part to do it without having a definitive plan to see out the season.
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Post by: SmethDan on March 21, 2019, 09:40:35 AM
......... anybody would think we don't have a clear plan moving forward, imagine that  :o  ;) .
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Post by: boinging_along on March 21, 2019, 09:46:25 AM
You don't need to know much about football to know that our tactics were consistantly causing us problems at the back.
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Post by: Albionic on March 21, 2019, 09:47:25 AM
The more I think about it the more I think it is non sensical NOT to appoint new manager ASAP.  Surely any new bloke will need time to asses what he has and what will be needed playing wise for whatever division we find ourselves in. We have so many loans and out of contract situations to be resolved or replaced it won't be possible to do all the necessary if the appoint ments get left until the start of pre season, add to this any scouting /coaching changes that the incoming may want to make..As the sackings had apparently been under consideration since November the powers that be should have had plenty of time to consider who the next taxi on the rank should be and the delay is inexcusable !!

Thats alright, but until the club know which division we will be in, its impossible to set budgets. Without a budget, what job do we "sell" to a prospective manager ?
I can see the issue the club faces with appointing a permanent manager at the moment (which they should have foreseen), and I can see that a "temporary solution" is the way forward, however its imperative that the temp solution is given EVERY tool and motivation available, thats why i would advocate an SGM (or equivalent, can there be one?) to support and advise Shan. Would SGM do it AGAIN? god and SGM are the only ones who can answer that. Also Shan would have to want / accept this support.
One final thought JS appears to have done a good job with the kids, he should be given some form of guarantee that his job is secure long term, otherwise one bad result or refereeing decision could seriously undermine his confidence and therefore performance.

Thems my onions anyway.
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Post by: lewisant on March 21, 2019, 09:53:24 AM
I guess if Shan gets an experienced person to assist it might be ok! Really depends who it is.

I don't know why would sack Moore so hastily though and then not go all out for an adequate replacement.
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Post by: NJS on March 21, 2019, 09:54:57 AM
If The management had lined up someone to take over following the sacking of DM then I would agree that to get him in straightaway would have been the right approach.  However, they didn't and I can't see an advantage of rushing someone in for the last games of the season - certainly not some of the names that have been bandied about.

At least Shan knows the capabilities of the players - including the young players.  It should be made clear that he is the caretaker.

I'm not bothered either way whether we are promoted straight back to a league in which we serve as the equivalent of film extras or cannon fodder to the richest teams.   Non-promotion might even persuade GL to cut his losses and sell us off at a discount.  It just depends what sort of club we want.  I dare say an Allardyce / Pulis hybrid could keep us in the PL by playing drab football and sacrificing any cup ambitions. 

So let's not make any desperate moves or we will end up with Pardew mark 2  (I won't say or worse: such a creature does not exist)
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Post by: richjonawba on March 21, 2019, 10:32:08 AM
Perhaps they really really want Wagner and he has intimated that he is interested whether we go up or not, and they are therefore happy to wait until the end of the season to employ him permanently. That would suggest they are not too concerned about us staying in the Championship. None of this says anything about their reasoning behind sacking Moore though.
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 21, 2019, 11:11:24 AM
in summary its a complete joke and **** poor management again by the club.

appointing a manager in the summer and he really needs to hit that ground running come august.
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Post by: hardtobeat on March 21, 2019, 11:31:27 AM
......... anybody would think we don't have a clear plan moving forward, imagine that  :o  ;) .
Has Theresa May joined the board ?? ;D ;D >:(
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Post by: baggiemart on March 21, 2019, 12:32:49 PM
Just come back from IKEA and saw a bloke who looked just like Alex Neal in there.

Do you reckon Albion have invited him down for a £2.50 breakfast !!!
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Post by: KN22 on March 21, 2019, 12:46:34 PM
I Know for a fact it wasn't and have stated in a previous post who the prime target was and why he's not at the club at the moment.

To save me scanning back through many posts please enlighten me as to who the prime target is. Thanks
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Post by: silver surfer on March 21, 2019, 12:56:33 PM
Just come back from IKEA and saw a bloke who looked just like Alex Neal in there.

Do you reckon Albion have invited him down for a £2.50 breakfast !!!
And to pick his office furniture.
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Post by: Albionic on March 21, 2019, 01:11:31 PM
To save me scanning back through many posts please enlighten me as to who the prime target is. Thanks

I think it was Wagner from Huddersfield
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Post by: Atomic on March 21, 2019, 01:18:04 PM
To save me scanning back through many posts please enlighten me as to who the prime target is. Thanks


No-one actually knows. It's all conjecture. Names brought forward by press / media with absolutely no direct quotes from anybody within West Bromwich Albion as to who is / isn't being considered as head coach.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 21, 2019, 01:26:20 PM
Just come back from IKEA and saw a bloke who looked just like Alex Neal in there.

Do you reckon Albion have invited him down for a £2.50 breakfast !!!


i heard it was all about the meatballs
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Post by: Mister AT on March 21, 2019, 02:12:08 PM
To save me scanning back through many posts please enlighten me as to who the prime target is. Thanks

I have just had a look at his previous posts and he has mentioned two names:

post 1 - I think its becoming obvious by the day the one they wanted  was wagner but because of the terms he left Huddersfield he's not allowed to take the job till the summer which leaves us in a bit of a mess to be honest.

post 2 - Daniel Stendel

So I would assume he's on about Wagner as the Stendel comment (Barnsley manager) was replying to someone saying they would love Dowling to pull a random name out the hat that's unexpected.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 21, 2019, 02:18:49 PM
It's not Wagner. Dowling wants Jokanovic. No idea what they are thinking not pulling the trigger now.
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Post by: Atomic on March 21, 2019, 02:21:11 PM
I have just had a look at his previous posts and he has mentioned two names:

post 1 - I think its becoming obvious by the day the one they wanted  was wagner but because of the terms he left Huddersfield he's not allowed to take the job till the summer which leaves us in a bit of a mess to be honest.

post 2 - Daniel Stendel

So I would assume he's on about Wagner as the Stendel comment (Barnsley manager) was replying to someone saying they would love Dowling to pull a random name out the hat that's unexpected.


An opinion, nothing more.
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Post by: Albionic on March 21, 2019, 02:43:25 PM
It's not Wagner. Dowling wants Jokanovic. No idea what they are thinking not pulling the trigger now.

and you know that how? not saying you don't know, just interested in your source(s)
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 21, 2019, 02:52:46 PM
and you know that how? not saying you don't know, just interested in your source(s)


Boiler man told me...
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Post by: Albionic on March 21, 2019, 03:03:37 PM

Boiler man told me...

I'll take that as Gospel then !  ???
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Post by: Mister AT on March 21, 2019, 03:27:23 PM
Few rumours floating about that Steven Reid could be coming in as the 'extra pair of hands' for Shan.

I can see it being someone in the mould of Reid or even Kevin Phillips. As opposed to Shakespeare/Appleton coming in and probably feeling though they should be in charge.

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Post by: Albionic on March 21, 2019, 03:46:25 PM
any man who plays on with a broken leg deserves respect, 
When here he seemed a top bloke.

as for Riedy's coaching ability / motivational skills, I have no opinion to offer,
Top blokes don't always make top coaches do they?
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 21, 2019, 06:18:15 PM
No time for Reid. His disrespect towards Pepe Mel tainted an already no better than mediocre Albion career.
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Post by: paulosull on March 21, 2019, 07:17:00 PM
Don't think Jenkins or board are up to job at the Albion as this fiasco shows and need replacing. Looks to me that certain players have too much sway at this club and need to be taken down a peg or two.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 21, 2019, 09:46:48 PM
Few rumours floating about that Steven Reid could be coming in as the 'extra pair of hands' for Shan.

I can see it being someone in the mould of Reid or even Kevin Phillips. As opposed to Shakespeare/Appleton coming in and probably feeling though they should be in charge.

I thought he was with Roy at Palace
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Post by: OldburyWBA on March 21, 2019, 10:17:08 PM
I thought he was with Roy at Palace

Left last year due to personal reasons, had a spell at AFC Wimbledon but left there as well
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Post by: chipperclark on March 21, 2019, 11:19:09 PM
 ;D Always thought the "Tea-Lady"could do a good job as assistant coach!!! But there again her wage demands may be too high. ;) ;)
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Post by: royhan on March 21, 2019, 11:36:42 PM
The 10,000 dollar question: which is the most shambolic - our handling of the managerial situation or the government’s handling of Brexit? Answers on a postcard  ;D ;D
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Post by: Pureade1 on March 22, 2019, 09:44:51 AM
This has been the final straw for me with this owner. He hasnt got a clue about running a football club, in truth it amazes me he has managed to run any kind of business but the reality is whilst he is here this club will continue to lerch from one ridiculous incident to the next. There is no new manager it will be Shan who will be hung out to dry next having been asked to do a job he is not equipped for, with tools that arent good enough and one hand tied behind his back exactly the same as big Dave was.

Until Lai goes nothing will change the man and the team around him are incompetent.
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Post by: skyclad99 on March 22, 2019, 10:16:47 AM
This has been the final straw for me with this owner. He hasnt got a clue about running a football club, in truth it amazes me he has managed to run any kind of business but the reality is whilst he is here this club will continue to lerch from one ridiculous incident to the next. There is no new manager it will be Shan who will be hung out to dry next having been asked to do a job he is not equipped for, with tools that arent good enough and one hand tied behind his back exactly the same as big Dave was.

Until Lai goes nothing will change the man and the team around him are incompetent.

After he bought you a beer as well? Thats gratitude for you!

I agree with you BTW :)
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Post by: baggiemart on March 22, 2019, 10:31:35 AM
This has been the final straw for me with this owner. He hasnt got a clue about running a football club, in truth it amazes me he has managed to run any kind of business but the reality is whilst he is here this club will continue to lerch from one ridiculous incident to the next. There is no new manager it will be Shan who will be hung out to dry next having been asked to do a job he is not equipped for, with tools that arent good enough and one hand tied behind his back exactly the same as big Dave was.

Until Lai goes nothing will change the man and the team around him are incompetent.

I've got to agree.

Darren Moore is just too much of a nice guy to be a football manager. But what Albion have done is just unforgivable. We are still in the thick of a promotion race and what the Albion management have done is take our manager away with 10 games to go and have refused to bring another one in.What other club would do that. In fact I can't recall another club doing it ever.  No doubt someone will prove me wrong.

If they had no intention of bringing a new guy in they should have stuck with Darren Moore until the end of the season.  Shan is doing a good job but he's no football manager.

If we fail to get promotion the blame should be aimed 100% at the management of the club. 

My interpretation of how it works is that   Lai owns the club but the running of the club is down to Jenkins and the board and that is where the problem lies. If Jenkins and the board had said to Lai keep Moore until the end of the season he would still be there.

I think all this will blow any chance of being promoted.

It just reminds me of the brexit fiasco. But one day , the next elections, we will get these MPs out who have caused this brexit mess but I don't know how we get the West Brom board out.
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Post by: baggyman68 on March 22, 2019, 11:39:47 AM
This has been the final straw for me with this owner. He hasnt got a clue about running a football club, in truth it amazes me he has managed to run any kind of business but the reality is whilst he is here this club will continue to lerch from one ridiculous incident to the next. There is no new manager it will be Shan who will be hung out to dry next having been asked to do a job he is not equipped for, with tools that arent good enough and one hand tied behind his back exactly the same as big Dave was.

Until Lai goes nothing will change the man and the team around him are incompetent.
You gotta blame Mr Peace for this mess. He always said he would only sell to someone who would take the club forward.
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Post by: AlbionFan on March 22, 2019, 01:50:18 PM
I’ve come to the conclusion, Lai is not very good at all things football.

Amongst other things, he over pays for a football club.

Then HEbuys a footballer, whose talents are questionable and doesn’t appear to have played much football and he then cuts his losses and sells. I always thought this was a misjudged move on his part, a gamble that didn’t pay off for him.

I wonder what other of his footballing assets might be next up for the auctioneers hammer?
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Post by: Blowee on March 22, 2019, 05:11:59 PM
Have I missed some kind of official announcement on the next manager from the club? Have they stated that JS will remain in charge until the end of the season? If not, surely they are still looking to make an appointment?
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Post by: Atomic on March 22, 2019, 05:24:09 PM
Lai needs to sell up. As an owner he is useless, clearly knows very little about football and his non attendance, no communication doesn't exactly show commitment to the cause. Since he became owner I challenge anyone to name any positive impact he's had.

The day he sells up will not be a day too soon.
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Post by: Manc Baggie on March 22, 2019, 05:25:03 PM
In summary, the search for the new manager is being 'lead' by a board that collectively couldn't find their own arses with both hands.
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Post by: wbarenno on March 22, 2019, 06:08:33 PM
Lai needs to sell up. As an owner he is useless, clearly knows very little about football and his non attendance, no communication doesn't exactly show commitment to the cause. Since he became owner I challenge anyone to name any positive impact he's had.

The day he sells up will not be a day too soon.

We got a free beer the first game he was in charge  ;D
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Post by: garry on March 22, 2019, 06:26:46 PM
Lai needs to sell up. As an owner he is useless, clearly knows very little about football and his non attendance, no communication doesn't exactly show commitment to the cause. Since he became owner I challenge anyone to name any positive impact he's had.

The day he sells up will not be a day too soon.
...compared to Peace, who ran a very tight ship.
The ship is now running without a rudder.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on March 22, 2019, 07:59:43 PM
I've got to agree.

Darren Moore is just too much of a nice guy to be a football manager. But what Albion have done is just unforgivable. We are still in the thick of a promotion race and what the Albion management have done is take our manager away with 10 games to go and have refused to bring another one in.What other club would do that. In fact I can't recall another club doing it ever.  No doubt someone will prove me wrong.

If they had no intention of bringing a new guy in they should have stuck with Darren Moore until the end of the season.  Shan is doing a good job but he's no football manager.

If we fail to get promotion the blame should be aimed 100% at the management of the club. 

My interpretation of how it works is that   Lai owns the club but the running of the club is down to Jenkins and the board and that is where the problem lies. If Jenkins and the board had said to Lai keep Moore until the end of the season he would still be there.

I think all this will blow any chance of being promoted.


It just reminds me of the brexit fiasco. But one day , the next elections, we will get these MPs out who have caused this brexit mess but I don't know how we get the West Brom board out.

All of this. Esp the bold bits.
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Post by: divinewind on March 23, 2019, 10:43:11 AM
...compared to Peace, who ran a very tight ship.
The ship is now running without a rudder.

A good assessment, under Peace we knew what we would be getting every window,...nothing to shout about, but now we sack a manager with no replacement on the horizon.
It wouldn't be so bad if this wasn't one of the most important seasons in our history. Talk about fiddling while Rome burns.

For all my dislike of JP, i doubt very much if he would have given the job this season to a novice. His priority would have been top two.
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Post by: johnny Cash on March 23, 2019, 11:42:20 AM
You gotta blame Mr Peace for this mess. He always said he would only sell to someone who would take the club forward.

I thought Peace did a fantastic job. However, how he sold the club has soured his reputation and legacy somewhat for me. It was never about finding the right buyer, it was about getting the right price.

As for Lai, there are ways to make money in football. Buying a mid table premiership team isn't it.

If the Wolves owners have any sense, they will cash out on Wolves at £200m in a couple of years, make healthy profits, disappear and leave the drama with someone else foolish enough.


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Post by: divinewind on March 23, 2019, 11:51:08 AM
Personally i think Lai is more interested in promoting the game in China, by using our name than he is of showing any interest in our club itself.
When he bought us we were the only club in the premiership with Chinese owners. Our stock has fallen in China, we should have been the most well known club in that country given the 78 tour.
Now Wolves are the top team in the midlands and in China.
Galling if the rumours are true that Peace turned down Fosun 12 months before selling us to Lai.

Peace was always only in it for himself.
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Post by: frazzle on March 23, 2019, 02:04:56 PM
We were the only midlands club in the premier league. We had Pulis as manager. Massive opportunity missed through selection of manager. We wouldn’t be in the state we are in if it weren’t for Pulis.
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Post by: Dexy on March 23, 2019, 02:15:24 PM
We were the only midlands club in the premier league. We had Pulis as manager. Massive opportunity missed through selection of manager. We wouldn’t be in the state we are in if it weren’t for Pulis.
Bit one sided mate , we had to have Pulis because JP took a risk on Irvine.
Pulis played his part but should have gone at the end of his last full season with a thanks and a hand shake.
Now , back on topic.. :)
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Post by: BalisPen on March 23, 2019, 03:38:47 PM
Does anyone know where this rumour/story about peace rejecting fosun is from, any link etc.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 23, 2019, 05:41:29 PM
TP out of contract in June ;)
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Post by: Aixelsyd on March 23, 2019, 09:48:01 PM
Does anyone know where this rumour/story about peace rejecting fosun is from, any link etc.

I'd cry BS on that one....   

more likely to have been Doctor Tony he rejected..
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Post by: superkev on March 24, 2019, 09:46:28 AM
It WAS Dr Tony
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Post by: zippyandbungle on March 24, 2019, 12:40:12 PM
200 million pound
Think about that.....

How many of us will ever have access to that,how many will have that much disposable so we can buy a football team?
I love my club,I genuinely believe we have one of the best and funniest sets of fans...I used to believe that we also had a good general understanding of where we were,who we are and where we came from...
It’s not exclusive to us,but how easy is it to call someone a tight arse for not shelling out 15mill on a player (plus wages over a 5 year contract),sometimes it’s all to easy to sit and tell the owner what he should/shouldn’t be doing with his money because we contributed £339 in 2015 and purchased two bobbly hats
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Post by: tuamigos on March 24, 2019, 01:32:13 PM
200 million pound
Think about that.....

How many of us will ever have access to that,how many will have that much disposable so we can buy a football team?
I love my club,I genuinely believe we have one of the best and funniest sets of fans...I used to believe that we also had a good general understanding of where we were,who we are and where we came from...
It’s not exclusive to us,but how easy is it to call someone a tight arse for not shelling out 15mill on a player (plus wages over a 5 year contract),sometimes it’s all to easy to sit and tell the owner what he should/shouldn’t be doing with his money because we contributed £339 in 2015 and purchased two bobbly hats

and a replica shirt  8)
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Post by: mulliganstired on March 24, 2019, 05:18:46 PM
Lampard apparently restless at Derby, their cost cutting even worse than ours.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 24, 2019, 07:00:12 PM
Lampard apparently restless at Derby, their cost cutting even worse than ours.


Derby, Vile and Sheffield Weds are the next on the FFP hitlist. No wonder they're taking precautions.
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Post by: skyclad99 on March 25, 2019, 09:06:54 AM
I was thinking about the cake and a**e party that was going on down at our club over the weekend. Has there been any sort of official statement from the club in respect of the managerial position?
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 25, 2019, 09:21:49 AM
WHAT A WAY TO RUN THIS CLUB!!!!!
www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/25/james-shan-can-stake-claim-to-see-out-season-at-west-brom

If we beat Blues on Friday, is it because Jimmy Shan is a very good manager ? or is it because the Brunt / Morrison show is back on the road ?
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Post by: Albionic on March 25, 2019, 09:40:47 AM
"while academy manager Mxxx Hxxxxxxxx mucks in on match days".

Its things like this which get under my skin, forget the name its irrelevant, just how professional is this ?  Does Mr Lai allow the teaboy to join in Palm Holdings board meetings ?
Does the Palm canteen manager have a seat reserved for to contribute her musings on fiscal policy ?

For gods sake WBA FC Ltd sort it out PLEASE!
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Post by: skyclad99 on March 25, 2019, 10:18:11 AM
WHAT A WAY TO RUN THIS CLUB!!!!!
www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/25/james-shan-can-stake-claim-to-see-out-season-at-west-brom

If we beat Blues on Friday, is it because Jimmy Shan is a very good manager ? or is it because the Brunt / Morrison show is back on the road ?

There is just too much 'Deja Vu' for my liking..........

I can accept the DM sacking if there had been a successor already waiting, but clearly there wasn't....unbelievably poor planning from Jenkins and co. As I said earlier, a communication of some description would be nice.
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Post by: iwastherein68 on March 25, 2019, 10:35:13 AM
"while academy manager Mxxx Hxxxxxxxx mucks in on match days".

Its things like this which get under my skin, forget the name its irrelevant, just how professional is this ?  Does Mr Lai allow the teaboy to join in Palm Holdings board meetings ?
Does the Palm canteen manager have a seat reserved for to contribute her musings on fiscal policy ?

For gods sake WBA FC Ltd sort it out PLEASE!
I have to say, that I was at Brentford, and saw this person, who was setting out markers at half-time right in front of us , and was largely ignored by our subs who were busy playing "pig-in-the -middle" with Jacob Murphy in the middle.
I have no idea who he was but he just did not look very professional.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 25, 2019, 10:47:56 AM
sounds like'
'win the game against Blues Jim, and you get the game against Millwall'
All sounds quite amateurish to me.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on March 25, 2019, 10:58:46 AM
"while academy manager Mxxx Hxxxxxxxx mucks in on match days".

Its things like this which get under my skin, forget the name its irrelevant, just how professional is this ?  Does Mr Lai allow the teaboy to join in Palm Holdings board meetings ?
Does the Palm canteen manager have a seat reserved for to contribute her musings on fiscal policy ?

For gods sake WBA FC Ltd sort it out PLEASE!

You are being plain daft now Albionic, we all know the teaboy is running the club........
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 25, 2019, 11:04:02 AM
complete shambles by the club.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: darbolina on March 25, 2019, 12:01:47 PM
I'm not surprised by much our club do recently. Standing back and looking at this, giving the directors the benefit of the doubt (and in the recurring vacuum of communication from the club to us as usual)

1) we have some great youngsters (hopefully we keep em.........)

2) we have the foundation of a good championship team next year if we're able to sell a couple and rebuild using the funds

3) keep Jimmy Shan and add one coaches around him and one head coach above him - then we might be returning the system which proved successful longer term until Pulis ripped it up (keep core coaches then replace the head coach to bring fresh ideas from time to time whilst retaining core structure)

Although, maybe this is how a normal, sensible club would work that doesn't panic.........nuff said

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Pureade1 on March 25, 2019, 12:24:46 PM
Never mind running a football club i sometimes wonder how our directors tie their own shoelaces in a morning. There clearly isnt and never was a plan in place to replace DM.

I run a business, now granted it is nowhere near the size of albion however i have a number of senior managers in place in key roles, however a key part of how i have managed to run my business is I have this mystical thing called a back up plan in place should any of my key managers leave or require removing from their post). Not for one minute is my business revolutionary nor am i some kind of genius it is just common sense in any business where you have to rely on others to manage areas of it.

Why does this board of directors continue to think that albion fans are an irrelevance to them and instead of providing some kind of regular update particularly in the current situation they prefer to say nothing almost with an arrogant air of superiority that it doesnt matter if they tell us anything as we should trust that they will get it right!

At the moment i really fear that jimmy shan who seems a genuine guy is going to be used and hung out to dry as the fall guy when all this starts crashing down around us towards the end of the season when the reality is we will have about 7 first team players if as i and many others suspect the likes of jrod, dawson etc leave for premier league riches, the loanees go back to their clubs and the free agents refuse or arent offered new contracts.  Do you really see this owner funding an entire new squad?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 25, 2019, 12:35:59 PM
I am not sure why you all expected differently?

This was one of the major reservations that was held against sacking Moore.

The alternatives are not good enough and the club cannot be trusted to oversee such a big change.

I dread the summer..
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 25, 2019, 12:57:14 PM
Never mind running a football club i sometimes wonder how our directors tie their own shoelaces in a morning. There clearly isnt and never was a plan in place to replace DM.

I run a business, now granted it is nowhere near the size of albion however i have a number of senior managers in place in key roles, however a key part of how i have managed to run my business is I have this mystical thing called a back up plan in place should any of my key managers leave or require removing from their post). Not for one minute is my business revolutionary nor am i some kind of genius it is just common sense in any business where you have to rely on others to manage areas of it.

Why does this board of directors continue to think that albion fans are an irrelevance to them and instead of providing some kind of regular update particularly in the current situation they prefer to say nothing almost with an arrogant air of superiority that it doesnt matter if they tell us anything as we should trust that they will get it right!

At the moment i really fear that jimmy shan who seems a genuine guy is going to be used and hung out to dry as the fall guy when all this starts crashing down around us towards the end of the season when the reality is we will have about 7 first team players if as i and many others suspect the likes of jrod, dawson etc leave for premier league riches, the loanees go back to their clubs and the free agents refuse or arent offered new contracts.  Do you really see this owner funding an entire new squad?

Have you agreed contract details with the people you have identified as back -up, or are they, in a similar position to WBA's, on a wish list?

Also, let's say you have identified an outstanding potential candidate for a position, one who could really take your business forward,but they wouldn't be available for a few months.
Waiting for them would mean, relying on the existing team (some of whom lack experience) to get you over short term hurdles, but doesn't put the business itself at risk.
Would you wait, or chose not take the risk & move on to a less ideal candidate?

Matt Wilson's article says that James Shan, is not being hung out to dry.
He won't be offered the HC position & will still be at WBA next season, hopefully as an assistant HC.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on March 25, 2019, 02:38:29 PM
Never mind running a football club i sometimes wonder how our directors tie their own shoelaces in a morning. There clearly isnt and never was a plan in place to replace DM.

I run a business, now granted it is nowhere near the size of albion however i have a number of senior managers in place in key roles, however a key part of how i have managed to run my business is I have this mystical thing called a back up plan in place should any of my key managers leave or require removing from their post). Not for one minute is my business revolutionary nor am i some kind of genius it is just common sense in any business where you have to rely on others to manage areas of it.

Why does this board of directors continue to think that albion fans are an irrelevance to them and instead of providing some kind of regular update particularly in the current situation they prefer to say nothing almost with an arrogant air of superiority that it doesnt matter if they tell us anything as we should trust that they will get it right!

At the moment i really fear that jimmy shan who seems a genuine guy is going to be used and hung out to dry as the fall guy when all this starts crashing down around us towards the end of the season when the reality is we will have about 7 first team players if as i and many others suspect the likes of jrod, dawson etc leave for premier league riches, the loanees go back to their clubs and the free agents refuse or arent offered new contracts.  Do you really see this owner funding an entire new squad?

The way we are going it maybe soon....


and to answer your final point, no I dont see the owner funding a new squad at all, and that is what worries me if we were to go up. Likewise with the inevitable 'churn' that is going to happen in the summer I don't see him funding new players if we do not get promoted either.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: spencer Baggie on March 25, 2019, 02:43:06 PM
Shambolic from the club.

Just go and get Appleton / Shakespeare to support Jimmy until the end of the season for goodness sake.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TiptonThrostle on March 25, 2019, 02:59:15 PM
Shambolic from the club.

Just go and get Appleton / Shakespeare to support Jimmy until the end of the season for goodness sake.

No Appleton. id rather have steve bull helping jimmy.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 25, 2019, 03:01:12 PM
I have to say, that I was at Brentford, and saw this person, who was setting out markers at half-time right in front of us , and was largely ignored by our subs who were busy playing "pig-in-the -middle" with Jacob Murphy in the middle.

Yep, saw it. Same as most half times when they don't really want to do the running he tries to get them doing, its even worse when Myhill is on the bench, he just does what he likes
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 25, 2019, 03:04:54 PM
Whatever happens now it's too late, the damage has allready been done to the supporters faith in their ability to get anything right 
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 25, 2019, 04:29:07 PM
Yep, saw it. Same as most half times when they don't really want to do the running he tries to get them doing, its even worse when Myhill is on the bench, he just does what he likes
Agree entirely Oldbury, I would rather take any other keeper as third (cover) keeper than Myhill ! I cannot believe that we gave another contract to that waster.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 25, 2019, 05:25:23 PM
I despair, this latest fiasco even out does the normal Albion fiasco by quite some considerable distance.

I know, let's draw straws amongst all our coaches to see how gets the next game. It's way passed embarrassing and down right humiliating.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 25, 2019, 05:57:08 PM
Lampard apparently restless at Derby, their cost cutting even worse than ours.

Ah, he wouldn't. Would he?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: wimbledon baggie on March 25, 2019, 07:16:10 PM
WHAT A WAY TO RUN THIS CLUB!!!!!
www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/25/james-shan-can-stake-claim-to-see-out-season-at-west-brom

If we beat Blues on Friday, is it because Jimmy Shan is a very good manager ? or is it because the Brunt / Morrison show is back on the road ?

Yep this show has been going on a LONG time and seen a fair few managers through the door...
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mulliganstired on March 25, 2019, 07:49:13 PM
WHAT A WAY TO RUN THIS CLUB!!!!!
www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/25/james-shan-can-stake-claim-to-see-out-season-at-west-brom

If we beat Blues on Friday, is it because Jimmy Shan is a very good manager ? or is it because the Brunt / Morrison show is back on the road ?
So here's a question, do we have a better chance of going up with the Brunt/Morrison show back or with an unpredictable new face in?  Never mind next season, just for the next 8/10/11 games?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie82 on March 25, 2019, 11:46:51 PM
Reading between the lines, we appear to have gotten ourselves into a situation where
-Jokanovic has agreed to go back and manage Fulham in the summer, after we couldn't decide to offer him a short term contract or longer deal, given unsure what league we will be in next season and his agent's big dollar demands.
-Wagner isn't available until the summer (as he announced months ago when he stood down) not sure why the club would want him given he built a Huddersfield team that could barely muster a shot on goal, Pulis football.
-O'Neil, a successful championship manager, probably our target if we don't go up, unable to prise him from Preston given stage of the season and the promotion push.

So given the above the board don't know what to do so have decided to wait and see with a view to not making any decision until the summer, as then we have more choice. BUT in doing so they are not exactly concentrating on promotion this season are they?

What is most disturbing to me is that all of the problems / limitations / contract situations / choices with potential managers should have been known to the board BEFORE they sacked Moore. It just smacks of a boardroom that are inept.

Do you trust them to get it right in the summer? I don't. It was only last summer they appointed Moore, after a long caretaker spell only to then decide he was out of his depth, and to solve that by appointing his junior with even less experience!

Then to top it off as a poster above has mentioned they haven't had the courtesy to update the fans. Probably as they don't know their own strategy from one day to the next and are embarrassed.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: paulosull on March 26, 2019, 02:10:58 AM
Who has replaced the three coaches who were relieved of their duties, Jimmy and who? And what part of club did they come from and who has taken over their positions?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on March 26, 2019, 08:15:06 AM
Reading between the lines, we appear to have gotten ourselves into a situation where
-Jokanovic has agreed to go back and manage Fulham in the summer, after we couldn't decide to offer him a short term contract or longer deal, given unsure what league we will be in next season and his agent's big dollar demands.
-Wagner isn't available until the summer (as he announced months ago when he stood down) not sure why the club would want him given he built a Huddersfield team that could barely muster a shot on goal, Pulis football.
-O'Neil, a successful championship manager, probably our target if we don't go up, unable to prise him from Preston given stage of the season and the promotion push.

So given the above the board don't know what to do so have decided to wait and see with a view to not making any decision until the summer, as then we have more choice. BUT in doing so they are not exactly concentrating on promotion this season are they?

What is most disturbing to me is that all of the problems / limitations / contract situations / choices with potential managers should have been known to the board BEFORE they sacked Moore. It just smacks of a boardroom that are inept.

Do you trust them to get it right in the summer? I don't. It was only last summer they appointed Moore, after a long caretaker spell only to then decide he was out of his depth, and to solve that by appointing his junior with even less experience!

Then to top it off as a poster above has mentioned they haven't had the courtesy to update the fans. Probably as they don't know their own strategy from one day to the next and are embarrassed.

I am not sure they did to be honest, I think Jones was the issue, and Darren went because of his loyalty to his friend. Only my opinion though.........

I will accept that Darren was learning his trade and making what many would see as errors, but you do not get to 4th in the league when you are out of your depth. To me something else went on there, and several posters were pointing out early on that Jones seemed to be having a big influence. You could see that on matchdays through the interaction on the sideline.

All that said, to give him the sack and not have a replacement lined up is bad planning, unless the situation very quickly became untenable and our board were not actually planning on taking this course of action, but were left with no option.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 26, 2019, 08:32:00 AM
James Shan happy with his team for this week.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/26/west-brom-caretaker-james-shan-happy-with-his-coaching-team-for-this-week/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/26/west-brom-caretaker-james-shan-happy-with-his-coaching-team-for-this-week/)

I'm a big fan of James Shan, & I think he has the capacity to get us promoted, but this concerns me a bit, it demonstrates political naivety.
Think I might have taken up the offer of help, by not doing so, he's put enormous pressure on himself to deliver.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: phbaggies on March 26, 2019, 09:51:06 AM
James Shan happy with his team for this week.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/26/west-brom-caretaker-james-shan-happy-with-his-coaching-team-for-this-week/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/26/west-brom-caretaker-james-shan-happy-with-his-coaching-team-for-this-week/)

I'm a big fan of James Shan, & I think he has the capacity to get us promoted, but this concerns me a bit, it demonstrates political naivety.
Think I might have taken up the offer of help, by not doing so, he's put enormous pressure on himself to deliver.
There is no pressure on him, its win win in his case as he is not being considered for the fulltime vacancy anyway, if he gets us up it builds his reputation as a coach, if he doesn't people will move the blame elsewhere.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on March 26, 2019, 01:35:08 PM
I am genuinely appalled by the clubs management of this situation. How have several weeks passed and we're still not showing signs of bringing in an experienced manager, or even being communicated with. I jokingly said the day after Darren Moore's sacking that we'll probably appoint Shan in order to save a few quid. Let me repeat, I said that as a joke thinking it wasn't ever going to happen. But of course, as each day passes by, it becomes ever more likely that we're going to be let down yet again, and a joke is exactly what we're becoming.

I would really love to know the clubs plan for appointing new staff for when Shan gets sacked if given the job? This board can't even appoint one competent member of staff (i.e a manager) without making a complete balls up of it almost every time, so how's everyone's faith in our board to appoint a new HC, coaching staff, Head of Youth Dev, Under 23s manager/coaching staff and whoever else we've promoted out of idle laziness. We're playing a very dangerous game here, we're ripping out some of the fundamental roots from which we've spent our most successful period in 20 years. We've already lost a key member of staff in Darren Moore and every time we hastily appoint another one who's doomed to a swift sacking it shown they aren't up to it, we're losing more. These staff need replacing and we have a board who've shown time and time again that they're not capable of doing that.

The clubs communication certainly seems to be fine when they're marketing their new early bird season ticket offers, it's funny how we're expected to rush out to make decisions, yet it takes them weeks to decide on one that's self imposed. We should have got Jovanovic within days of Darren Moore's appointment, he should have been here for a couple of weeks by now, implementing his plan. Instead, we sit here with no idea what's happening, looking at the possibility of making another lazy appointment because the board don't want to pay a good manager good money for a good outcome.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 26, 2019, 01:39:43 PM
What Ollie the Baggie says, the lack of communication is absolute $#1T and adding insult to injury.

They can't make a decent decision on anything and without some kind of board changes we are going nowhere fast.

The team are 4th in spite of everything the management foul up IMO.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 26, 2019, 02:01:40 PM
I am genuinely appalled by the clubs management of this situation. How have several weeks passed and we're still not showing signs of bringing in an experienced manager, or even being communicated with. I jokingly said the day after Darren Moore's sacking that we'll probably appoint Shan in order to save a few quid. Let me repeat, I said that as a joke thinking it wasn't ever going to happen. But of course, as each day passes by, it becomes ever more likely that we're going to be let down yet again, and a joke is exactly what we're becoming.

I would really love to know the clubs plan for appointing new staff for when Shan gets sacked if given the job? This board can't even appoint one competent member of staff (i.e a manager) without making a complete balls up of it almost every time, so how's everyone's faith in our board to appoint a new HC, coaching staff, Head of Youth Dev, Under 23s manager/coaching staff and whoever else we've promoted out of idle laziness. We're playing a very dangerous game here, we're ripping out some of the fundamental roots from which we've spent our most successful period in 20 years. We've already lost a key member of staff in Darren Moore and every time we hastily appoint another one who's doomed to a swift sacking it shown they aren't up to it, we're losing more. These staff need replacing and we have a board who've shown time and time again that they're not capable of doing that.

The clubs communication certainly seems to be fine when they're marketing their new early bird season ticket offers, it's funny how we're expected to rush out to make decisions, yet it takes them weeks to decide on one that's self imposed. We should have got Jovanovic within days of Darren Moore's appointment, he should have been here for a couple of weeks by now, implementing his plan. Instead, we sit here with no idea what's happening, looking at the possibility of making another lazy appointment because the board don't want to pay a good manager good money for a good outcome.

It's been widely reported that James Shan is not being considered for the full time position.

Flavour of the month, at the moment, is the German coaching model. I suspect that David Wagner is the preferred candidate, & the board are conducting a holding operation until the summer.
I also suspect the reason there has been no announcement, is there is nothing to announce.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 26, 2019, 02:04:44 PM
Makes Moore's sacking even more ridiculous and proves beyond doubt, IMO, that it was nothing to do with style of play. The clowns making these decisions know nothing about football and have made a kneejerk reaction to 3 bad results, sacrificing Moore to save their own skins when facing a grilling in China. Now they have no plan B so are offering up Shan as the next sacrificial lamb.
Until we get someone at board level with some knowledge of the game, we will continue to lumber from one disaster to another.
I am fully expecting the next appointment to be a throw back to a Pulis type, safe pair of hands. Won't have to worry about the old playing it out from the back then though.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Barrington on March 26, 2019, 02:18:44 PM
Have some patience. We'll have a much wider choice of managers at the end of the season. No need to just rush someone in for the sake of it. And yes, Moore and his mate did have to go, even if we had no-one else lined up.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 26, 2019, 02:34:46 PM
Have some patience. We'll have a much wider choice of managers at the end of the season. No need to just rush someone in for the sake of it. And yes, Moore and his mate did have to go, even if we had no-one else lined up.

Do you really believe that?  ::)
We'll have the choice of a couple of out of work journeymen managers so that we don't have to pay compensation to and we can pay the minimum wage required.
Expect to be underwhelmed with the new bloke as well.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Barrington on March 26, 2019, 03:46:08 PM
I'm hardly ever underwhelmed any more, because I never expect too much.

Of course I believe that there will be more choice of managers at the end of the season. I don't have the statistics but I'm pretty sure that more managers are between jobs after the end of the season than they are in February and the following couple of months. Look at the likes of Garry Monk (just the first example that came to mind). Pretty sure the likes of him would be looking for a job with better prospects and would feel more comfortable doing it at seasons end, instead of doing the dirty on a club part way through a season. There will be many managers looking for fresh opportunities etc etc.

Don't want to get in the way of your bashing session of the board though, so please continue as you were :)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 26, 2019, 04:16:14 PM
I'm hardly ever underwhelmed any more, because I never expect too much.

Of course I believe that there will be more choice of managers at the end of the season. I don't have the statistics but I'm pretty sure that more managers are between jobs after the end of the season than they are in February and the following couple of months. Look at the likes of Garry Monk (just the first example that came to mind). Pretty sure the likes of him would be looking for a job with better prospects and would feel more comfortable doing it at seasons end, instead of doing the dirty on a club part way through a season. There will be many managers looking for fresh opportunities etc etc.

Don't want to get in the way of your bashing session of the board though, so please continue as you were :)
So you think the board have got this spot on then?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Barrington on March 26, 2019, 04:23:36 PM
I wouldn't know exactly what's gone on behind the scenes as far as the managerial search is concerned, so I couldn't really make an informed call on that one at this point.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 26, 2019, 04:52:35 PM
I'm hardly ever underwhelmed any more, because I never expect too much.

Of course I believe that there will be more choice of managers at the end of the season. I don't have the statistics but I'm pretty sure that more managers are between jobs after the end of the season than they are in February and the following couple of months. Look at the likes of Garry Monk (just the first example that came to mind). Pretty sure the likes of him would be looking for a job with better prospects and would feel more comfortable doing it at seasons end, instead of doing the dirty on a club part way through a season. There will be many managers looking for fresh opportunities etc etc.

Don't want to get in the way of your bashing session of the board though, so please continue as you were :)

Potentially, as things stand,the club is looking at 2 Job Descriptions - one for an EPL Manager & one for an EFL Manager.
I agree with you, there are loads of Managers who would jump at the chance to manage an EPL club.
IMO there would be less demand for an EFL position, but still enough to give us a good choice.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 26, 2019, 05:42:46 PM
James Shan happy with his team for this week.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/26/west-brom-caretaker-james-shan-happy-with-his-coaching-team-for-this-week/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/26/west-brom-caretaker-james-shan-happy-with-his-coaching-team-for-this-week/)

I'm a big fan of James Shan, & I think he has the capacity to get us promoted, but this concerns me a bit, it demonstrates political naivety.
Think I might have taken up the offer of help, by not doing so, he's put enormous pressure on himself to deliver.
On the contrary. This interview sounds as though he knows what he’s doing, and he doesn’t need further staff to muddy the waters. May I also add, it’s good to read a pre match interview with so few cliches. COYB.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 26, 2019, 06:20:08 PM
On the contrary. This interview sounds as though he knows what he’s doing, and he doesn’t need further staff to muddy the waters. May I also add, it’s good to read a pre match interview with so few cliches. COYB.

I've no doubt he does know what he's doing, but he needs to get the Directors onside as well as the players & staff, especially Luke Dowling.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: rajesh-wba on March 26, 2019, 06:59:54 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/managerial-dream-team-could-fire-16031127?fbclid=IwAR0TRGPkpH8rCYcAyDomA96pwP4gX4Gd0roCZxPYyfyN6qtM_8wf_LqPoqw

Interesting piece.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 26, 2019, 08:31:43 PM
West Bromwich Albion reach huge head coach decision - reports

I know this will come as a great shock to many of you, but a decision appears to have been made

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-reach-huge-16031763.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: alex1 on March 26, 2019, 09:26:43 PM
If we don't have a settled coaching team in place at the start of the summer, it will work as a disincentive for the better more ambitious players to stay at the club.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 27, 2019, 12:54:17 PM
West Bromwich Albion reach huge head coach decision - reports

I know this will come as a great shock to many of you, but a decision appears to have been made

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-reach-huge-16031763.amp?__twitter_impression=true

If that's true, it just goes to show the 'make do' attitude of the club, and the utter lack of footballing knowledge in the club, as well as the penny-pinching nature.

FFS
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 27, 2019, 01:06:34 PM
If that's true, it just goes to show the 'make do' attitude of the club, and the utter lack of footballing knowledge in the club, as well as the penny-pinching nature.

FFS


I think it's a sensible move at this stage. I think it'd be unwise to appoint a head coach now not knowing what division we'll be in next season therefore, not knowing what we require from our new head coach.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mo on March 27, 2019, 01:14:49 PM

I think it's a sensible move at this stage. I think it'd be unwise to appoint a head coach now not knowing what division we'll be in next season therefore, not knowing what we require from our new head coach.

Whoever it is will have to get on with free transfers, loan signings , and academy graduates whatever the division .
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 27, 2019, 01:23:07 PM
If that's true, it just goes to show the 'make do' attitude of the club, and the utter lack of footballing knowledge in the club, as well as the penny-pinching nature.

FFS

Nursey's article is at odds with other media articles on the subject.

Most correspondents suggest that James Shan has been given Friday's game against Birmingham, & subject to our performance in that game would be given the remainder of the season.
James Shan also has an option of bringing in some experienced help, which he has declined for the Birmingham game.

Personally, I'm not seeing a "make do" attitude, & surely Luke Dowling is providing "football knowledge" to the decision making process.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 27, 2019, 01:26:56 PM

I think it's a sensible move at this stage. I think it'd be unwise to appoint a head coach now not knowing what division we'll be in next season therefore, not knowing what we require from our new head coach.

I'd argue that appointing a manager now would be key to being in a higher division next season, rather than write off our best chance.

Whoever the manager is next season will need to rip up the squad and start again, whichever division we're in, so why not give them the rest of this season to have a look at the squad, decide if he wants to try and keep any, and maybe even get promotion.

But no, we'll end up with Shan, and be in the exact same situation in 12 months time when he doesn't work out because he's a very good coach who can't step up to handle the added demands of management. Brilliant.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on March 27, 2019, 01:57:11 PM
I'd argue that appointing a manager now would be key to being in a higher division next season, rather than write off our best chance.

Whoever the manager is next season will need to rip up the squad and start again, whichever division we're in, so why not give them the rest of this season to have a look at the squad, decide if he wants to try and keep any, and maybe even get promotion.

But no, we'll end up with Shan, and be in the exact same situation in 12 months time when he doesn't work out because he's a very good coach who can't step up to handle the added demands of management. Brilliant.

Thing is, that probably hasn't even occurred to our clueless board.

Anyway I'd heard they are waiting to give May the job as soon as she's available.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 27, 2019, 02:21:01 PM
 Brunty has been on 5 Live saying we've had 13 managers in 10 years.
A damming indictment if ever there was one

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/west-brom-ace-delivers-scarcely-believable-reveal-concerning-managerial-upheaval/

Need revolving doors fitting to the office entrance asap.
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Post by: johnny Cash on March 27, 2019, 02:34:14 PM
Brunty has been on 5 Live saying we've had 13 managers in 10 years.
A damming indictment if ever there was one

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/west-brom-ace-delivers-scarcely-believable-reveal-concerning-managerial-upheaval/

Need revolving doors fitting to the office entrance asap.


Looks like its actually 14 if you are counting caretakers. If you are not then its not 13. Not that its much better but you could also say its 14 in 13 years rather than 14 in 10 in you want to make the stats slightly more favourable.

Tony Mowbray 18 October 2006 - 16 June 2009
Roberto Di Matteo 30 June 2009   6 February 2011   
Michael Appleton 6 February 2011 - 14 February 2011   
Roy Hodgson 14 February 2011- 1 May 2012   
Steve Clarke 12 June 2012   14 December 2013
Keith Downing 14 December 2013   11 January 2014   
Pepe Mel 9 January 2014 -does include caretakers.  12 May 2014
Alan Irvine 14 June 2014 - 29 December 2014   
Rob Kelly 29 December 2014- 1 January 2015   
Tony Pulis 1 January 2015   20 November 2017   
Gary Megson 20 November 2017   29 November 2017   
Alan Pardew 29 November 2017   2 April 2018   
Darren Moore 2 April 2018   9 March 2019   
James Shan 


From 14, there are five caretakers and two who have left us to take other jobs.  We have sacked 7 in 8 years.... or 7 in 13 if you want to dress that differently too.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 27, 2019, 03:11:16 PM
Brunty has been on 5 Live saying we've had 13 managers in 10 years.
A damming indictment if ever there was one

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/west-brom-ace-delivers-scarcely-believable-reveal-concerning-managerial-upheaval/

Need revolving doors fitting to the office entrance asap.

And how many of those have the senior players had an issue with ?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Albionic on March 27, 2019, 03:56:48 PM
And how many of those have the senior players had an issue with ?

And how many have left with a hefty wedge?  I reckon potentially 8 in 10 years (see below),  which is a very expensive way of conducting business, then add in all their staff and also the number of board members who have departed, its not really surprising the club is short of cash and we haven't even started on some of the CRAZY deals we have given players / agents

Roberto Di Matteo from 30 June 2009       
Steve Clarke
Keith Downing   
Pepe Mel
Alan Irvine 
Tony Pulis
Alan Pardew   
Darren Moore  to   9 March 2019   
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: NJS on March 27, 2019, 04:37:04 PM
Reeling off how many managers we've had and of those how many we've had to dismiss because they have been found wanting seems a good argument for not making a new appointment in haste and waiting until the end of the season when a good manager is more likely to be persuaded out his current post.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mulliganstired on March 27, 2019, 09:55:12 PM
Maybe the board could be given a list of 8 possible managers and asked yes/no for each, and if none of them got more than 50% they could come back on Monday...
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 27, 2019, 10:51:15 PM
Maybe the board could be given a list of 8 possible managers and asked yes/no for each, and if none of them got more than 50% they could come back on Monday...


I'd rather we just crashed out with no manager...  ;D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: chipperclark on March 27, 2019, 11:43:10 PM
 ;D I am going to cause controversy here but I reckon Shan can do the job,especially if we stay in the Chumps.

He knows the Club and will bring the kids through like Harper,Leko,Edwards and Field.

If we go up keep him as a first team coach and bring in a good "foreign" manager,with refreshing ideas...not the "deadpan" British regulars, we seem to give starts to.
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Post by: Westie on March 27, 2019, 11:54:09 PM
;D I am going to cause controversy here but I reckon Shan can do the job,especially if we stay in the Chumps.

He knows the Club and will bring the kids through like Harper,Leko,Edwards and Field.

If we go up keep him as a first team coach and bring in a good "foreign" manager,with refreshing ideas...not the "deadpan" British regulars, we seem to give starts to.

May as well have kept Big Dave, then!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 28, 2019, 12:32:51 AM
I have a great idea, I think we should have indicative voting on who should be our next Head Coach, well perhaps not. I’ll get we coot  ;D
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on March 28, 2019, 06:35:34 AM
Reeling off how many managers we've had and of those how many we've had to dismiss because they have been found wanting seems a good argument for not making a new appointment in haste and waiting until the end of the season when a good manager is more likely to be persuaded out his current post.

That's 100% correct.
The only down side is that we all know we always go for cheap and cheerful.
I think the last manager we had that was already employed was DiMatteo.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mulliganstired on March 28, 2019, 07:22:50 AM

I'd rather we just crashed out with no manager...  ;D
Any Norwegian managers out there? Or maybe even Canadian?;)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Oslobaggie on March 28, 2019, 07:56:45 AM
Tom Nordli is the Norwegian Tony Pulis. But he is empoyed at Skeid Oslo so I think we have to pay a release fee.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 28, 2019, 09:02:33 AM
May as well have kept Big Dave, then!

No. DM was clueless. Shan is a better option as he understands the importance of organising a defence.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: darbolina on March 28, 2019, 10:29:26 AM
We got away with changing managers so much for a while when we had consistent coaches in the background. If the club go back to this approach then that's ok with me. It's us lurching from one person to another who brings in a whole new team each time and then starting again from scratch each time which is just plain stupid...................(we did this three times in one year - Pulis/ Pardew/ Moore!!!)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie_liam on March 28, 2019, 10:54:30 AM
I’m becoming more convinced by the no show of a new manager yet, we were hoping for Wagner and because of his HTFC contract conditions we’re trying to hold out til the summer now.. with odds of 22/1 tempting
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Post by: paulosull on March 28, 2019, 11:27:59 AM
;D I am going to cause controversy here but I reckon Shan can do the job,especially if we stay in the Chumps.

He knows the Club and will bring the kids through like Harper,Leko,Edwards and Field.

If we go up keep him as a first team coach and bring in a good "foreign" manager,with refreshing ideas...not the "deadpan" British regulars, we seem to give starts to.
thought the same when Darren was appointed but senior players got their hands on him.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 28, 2019, 11:43:48 AM
I really hope we are not holding out for Wagner. His football is as bad as that of Mr. Pulis. If we were holding out for anyone you would hope it to be SJ, but I cannot see him taking over with us in the Championship and set to lose our best players.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 28, 2019, 12:59:41 PM
No. DM was clueless. Shan is a better option as he understands the importance of organising a defence.

Does he though? Or is he just letting the players do what they want / are comfortable with, on the basis that he's a short term stop-gap?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: skyclad99 on March 28, 2019, 01:08:03 PM
Does he though? Or is he just letting the players do what they want / are comfortable with, on the basis that he's a short term stop-gap?

Think you are close to the truth ther FallOut, there will be a short feel good factor with the appointment [if he does get the gig] then the inevitable will happen....again.

I am seriously losing the will to live with this club and board......
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mo on March 28, 2019, 01:21:43 PM
No. DM was clueless. Shan is a better option as he understands the importance of organising a defence.

Yes he does that’s why mid table Swansea would have scored 5 If Johnstone hadn’t been in fine form .
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Post by: skyclad99 on March 28, 2019, 02:02:12 PM
Yes he does that’s why mid table Swansea would have scored 5 If Johnstone hadn’t been in fine form .

Said that before Mo, if they had bought their shooting boots on we would have lost that. Many think it was a good win, but I beg to differ, we were very lucky.....
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: SmethDan on March 28, 2019, 02:10:42 PM
We rode our luck v Swansea but a win's a win and we're not giving the points back. Took our chances and they didn't, tough, we move on. Blues up next so let's hope for a much improved performance over the thing we churned out at their place with a view to getting another three points. COYB  8) .
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 28, 2019, 06:01:53 PM
Well, here’s an interesting theory for our owner and board of directors to ponder concerning our next Head Coach appointment, Occam’s Razor

Occam's razor is the problem-solving principle that essentially states that "simpler solutions are more likely to be correct than complex ones." When presented with competing hypotheses to solve a problem, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions.

So, stick or twist?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: GrumpyBaggie on March 28, 2019, 07:21:11 PM
I think those expecting a quick appointment of a new manager are in for a disappontment.  I presume that Lai demanded heads should roll last week, so Jenkins wielded the axe before it occurred to him that we probably need to think about looking for a new manager rather than promoting internally. 
If they have even finalised a shortlist yet I would be amazed, and I do not expect a new manager to be announced much before the end of the next pointless international break.  I also do not expect him to be one of the top five bookies favourites.

Ok, I got it wrong again, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!  It was obviously ridiculous to expect a decision in such a short period of time.  Ii now seems likely that they will wait until Shan loses a game or two, and then appoint some even more junior coach.  but then again....
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: lewisant on March 29, 2019, 10:23:09 AM
Well, here’s an interesting theory for our owner and board of directors to ponder concerning our next Head Coach appointment, Occam’s Razor

Occam's razor is the problem-solving principle that essentially states that "simpler solutions are more likely to be correct than complex ones." When presented with competing hypotheses to solve a problem, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions.

So, stick or twist?

Twist. There are a lot of assumptions to be made that somebody can step up. Shan has the disadvantage of coming after Moore so fans and the board will be cagey about inexperience. For me all roads should lead to Jokanovich. Proven at this level. Failed in his first Premier League attempt but we must look at objective number 1 - promotion!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: seteefeet on March 29, 2019, 10:40:21 AM
Shan says he wants the job, provided "it is right for the club" and Super Kev wants in as a coach. Both quoted in Mail today.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 29, 2019, 11:53:48 AM
Twist. There are a lot of assumptions to be made that somebody can step up. Shan has the disadvantage of coming after Moore so fans and the board will be cagey about inexperience. For me all roads should lead to Jokanovich. Proven at this level. Failed in his first Premier League attempt but we must look at objective number 1 - promotion!

I fully agree with you lewisant on all your points, but I think you already have worked that out  ;)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 29, 2019, 07:40:27 PM
Yes he does that’s why mid table Swansea would have scored 5 If Johnstone hadn’t been in fine form .

But they scored ZERO.

How many goals have we conceded in the 2 games he's been in charge? How many back to back clean sheets did DM have all season? It's not rocket science to see that Shan places more importance on the defensive side of things and that Moore was tactically inept.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: gazberg on March 29, 2019, 08:13:00 PM
Geezer on Sky Sports said Alex Neil is number 1 target but then it's sky sports so take it with a pinch of salt
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Post by: glosterbaggie on March 29, 2019, 10:10:23 PM
But they scored ZERO.

How many goals have we conceded in the 2 games he's been in charge? How many back to back clean sheets did DM have all season? It's not rocket science to see that Shan places more importance on the defensive side of things and that Moore was tactically inept.
2 tonight
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: colinmax on March 30, 2019, 06:56:28 AM
How many times have you watched a game and can not understand why the manager can not see what is obviously wrong or that the course of the game has changed?
Against the Blues it was obvious we had no width on the right side and Holgate did not get over the half way line till 35minutes.
I was telling everyone who would listen he should bring on Kanu.Sure enough at half time a coach was supervising an individual warm up for him ,he came on and immediately made a difference.
No way would DM have made such a change so early.
Shan is ticking all the right boxes for me and if this continues he should be appointed permanently.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mulliganstired on March 30, 2019, 07:02:39 AM
I don't think he's the permanent answer, and I think he is savvy enough to know he isn't really ready for it right now, but he seems to have drawn the squad together well enough to give us a chance of promotion.  I would be looking for someone like Steven Reid to come in as assistant for the rest of this season.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: geoff on March 30, 2019, 07:22:24 AM
Who ever we sign will needs to have a great contact list has he will need to more our less revamp the majority of the 1st team squad.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 30, 2019, 09:38:11 AM
2 tonight

That wasn't one of the questions.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 30, 2019, 10:48:11 AM
Who ever we sign will needs to have a great contact list has he will need to more our less revamp the majority of the 1st team squad.

Isn't that what Luke Dowling does?
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Post by: Mo on March 30, 2019, 11:24:56 AM
But they scored ZERO.

How many goals have we conceded in the 2 games he's been in charge? How many back to back clean sheets did DM have all season? It's not rocket science to see that Shan places more importance on the defensive side of things and that Moore was tactically inept.

I would expect any decent coach to place more emphasis on the defensive side of things. I seem to recall Graeme Jones describing Moore as on ‘ off the ball ‘ expert. Go figure .Shan was part of that coaching team so either he doesn’t have an opinion or no one was listening to him . It didn’t take Monk too much analysis to do us on set pieces albeit our defending in open play was marginally improved.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: divinewind on March 30, 2019, 11:45:11 AM
I hope Shan is kept on in some capacity by the club. He is nowhere near a manager at this level but i saw more passion on the touchline last night than i saw in 12 months from Moore.
If i were a betting man i would say we are waiting for Alex Neil in the summer.
At the moment he would be my choice.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: geoff on March 30, 2019, 11:55:41 AM
Isn't that what Luke Dowling does?

Doesn't look likes he's doing a very good job of it  to me mukka
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 30, 2019, 08:30:22 PM
Doesn't look likes he's doing a very good job of it  to me mukka

I'm quite pleased with the January player intake.

Not sure how much influence he has with the new manager decision, in terms of contracts.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 30, 2019, 08:54:29 PM
James Shan puts himself in contention for West Brom job after third straight win but Preston boss Alex Neil remains the club's preferred choice

More speculation, as you would expect. My first choice is Jokanovic

Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6867667/James-Shan-contention-West-Brom-job-Preston-boss-Alex-Neil-remains-preferred-choice.html
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 30, 2019, 09:00:28 PM
I'm quite pleased with the January player intake.

Not sure how much influence he has with the new manager decision, in terms of contracts.


Looked good on paper bit little contribution so far, Holgate aside. The fact we've had to draft Brunty (not before time) and Edwards into the side speaks volumes about Johansen Murphy and Montero.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Adder on March 30, 2019, 09:09:12 PM
I hope Shan is kept on in some capacity by the club. He is nowhere near a manager at this level but i saw more passion on the touchline last night than i saw in 12 months from Moore.
If i were a betting man i would say we are waiting for Alex Neil in the summer.
At the moment he would be my choice.
Shows of passion mean sod all. Neil Lennon can run up and down the touchline - Neil Clement did that at Swansea - means nothing. I also hope Shan remains but I'd say the same about Moore also if he's out of work for a period.
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Post by: baggiejohn on March 30, 2019, 09:14:56 PM

Looked good on paper bit little contribution so far, Holgate aside. The fact we've had to draft Brunty (not before time) and Edwards into the side speaks volumes about Johansen Murphy and Montero.

Think it says more about the coach than the players, most people would default to a system & players that they felt comfortable with.
JS knows Brunt & Edwards well, Johansen & Montero less so, but I'm pretty sure Murphy made a contribution on Friday.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BalisPen on March 30, 2019, 09:34:38 PM
Think it says more about the coach than the players, most people would default to a system & players that they felt comfortable with.
JS knows Brunt & Edwards well, Johansen & Montero less so, but I'm pretty sure Murphy made a contribution on Friday.

Did Murphy even touch the ball after coming on?

Regards the manager, as I have said before, I would wait for Alex Neil, young and has shown he can turn a team around when they are in a bad spell.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 30, 2019, 11:16:26 PM
Think it says more about the coach than the players, most people would default to a system & players that they felt comfortable with.
JS knows Brunt & Edwards well, Johansen & Montero less so, but I'm pretty sure Murphy made a contribution on Friday.


I'd be very interested to hear what contribution Murphy made?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on March 31, 2019, 07:17:06 AM
Did Murphy even touch the ball after coming on?

Regards the manager, as I have said before, I would wait for Alex Neil, young and has shown he can turn a team around when they are in a bad spell.

If Sheffield United miss out on promotion I’d rather we went for Chris Wilder
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 31, 2019, 08:51:16 AM

I'd be very interested to hear what contribution Murphy made?

He replaced Edwards at 72 minutes, so on the pitch for 24 minutes, (25% of the game)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on March 31, 2019, 10:04:32 AM
Murphy had 5 touches of the ball and won an aerial duel I know this not because I was at the game but because I just looked it up on a stats website so there you go.

 To be honest I really don't think that makes an awful lot of difference as to whether we go with Shan for the rest of the season. Had Murphy come on had 6 touches of the ball and the 6th touch been a tap in for a 4th goal does that make Shan some sort of zen coaching master? Probably not.

I think we need the issue settled at least to the end of the season. I would hope that the club does whatever is going to do and make an announcement this coming week.     
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: frazzle on March 31, 2019, 10:43:33 AM
The way we started the game with Morison out wide was ludicrous and tells me that Shan isn’t the man. That’s not really a criticism of him I just think it’s entirely reasonable that he won’t be right for this appointment.

The style of football was pretty poor too. However a win is a win and he has kept us in it to an extent.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 31, 2019, 11:06:43 AM
Murphy had 5 touches of the ball and won an aerial duel I know this not because I was at the game but because I just looked it up on a stats website so there you go.

 To be honest I really don't think that makes an awful lot of difference as to whether we go with Shan for the rest of the season. Had Murphy come on had 6 touches of the ball and the 6th touch been a tap in for a 4th goal does that make Shan some sort of zen coaching master? Probably not.

I think we need the issue settled at least to the end of the season. I would hope that the club does whatever is going to do and make an announcement this coming week.   

One of the issues with this forum Stan, is you cannot easily follow conversations.

In response to a comment by Geoff that whoever comes in as Manager will have to have an extensive list of potential players, I commented that I was of the opinion that was Luke Dowling's responsibility.

The comment has since morphed into comments about Jacob Murphy.

Like you, I don't think it makes a lot of difference if we continue with JS or make an appointment between now & the end of the season. Personally, I would continue with JS because of the momentum he has built, up to now.
I don't however see JS as a long term solution, & depending on which division we're in next season, I would bring in an experienced manager to suit.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Dexy on March 31, 2019, 11:44:01 AM
One of the issues with this forum Stan, is you cannot easily follow conversations.

In response to a comment by Geoff that whoever comes in as Manager will have to have an extensive list of potential players, I commented that I was of the opinion that was Luke Dowling's responsibility.

The comment has since morphed into comments about Jacob Murphy.

Like you, I don't think it makes a lot of difference if we continue with JS or make an appointment between now & the end of the season. Personally, I would continue with JS because of the momentum he has built, up to now.
I don't however see JS as a long term solution, & depending on which division we're in next season, I would bring in an experienced manager to suit.
We try to keep topics in the right order but at the end of the day its up to the poster to do that and not change the subject mid thread .
It's not a forum issue as such , I believe it comes from the likes of social media and as I say comes from the actual posters  . We have spent ages in the past with this issue but stood no chance due to sheer number of posters at times.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 31, 2019, 12:15:18 PM
We try to keep topics in the right order but at the end of the day its up to the poster to do that and not change the subject mid thread .
It's not a forum issue as such , I believe it comes from the likes of social media and as I say comes from the actual posters  . We have spent ages in the past with this issue but stood no chance due to sheer number of posters at times.

I know it's not easy, I've approached the issue before with moderators, but sometimes it does lead to comments being made out of context to the original comment.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Dexy on March 31, 2019, 12:33:23 PM
I know it's not easy, I've approached the issue before with moderators, but sometimes it does lead to comments being made out of context to the original comment.
We know you have John and we thank you for that but again as I recall there were no clear answers .
I actually believe compared to other Albion forums we keep this site in good order , there really is little more we can do .
If you have any clearer ideas this time please feel free to share them in the announcement section or via PM.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: we8seals on March 31, 2019, 12:46:31 PM
He replaced Edwards at 72 minutes, so on the pitch for 24 minutes, (25% of the game)
Morrison was on for 50% of the game and contributed nothing - if we had taken him off at half time and not replaced him it would still have improved us!
Murphy made as much contribution as a traffic cone!
the most worrying thing about Friday was listening to Shan after game say taking off Morrison was not tactical but because "Jimmy was feeling his Hamstring" The second most worrying was bringing Murphy on - who is proving to be one of the worst players to wear the stripes in my view! (possibly harsh given some of what i have seen over last 50 years - but he is truly terrbile. Hopelessly lightweight, no bottle, not quite quick enough and not quite skillfull enough.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on March 31, 2019, 01:02:55 PM
Sorry if I picked up the wrong point on the thread but the central point remains. Shan like any manager can only pick from what he's got. He does not have a left footed wide player other than Brunt (not the worst idea maybe) whatever side he puts out will always run into that central problem to say that one issue stops him being a good coach or fit to guide us through to the end of the season.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggie82 on March 31, 2019, 02:27:19 PM
Murphy made as much contribution as a traffic cone!

An incredibly poor player unfortunately. Awful vision, decision making and no end product. He’s McClean with a bit more pace and less bottle. Thank god we get to send him back to Newcastle in the summer.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on March 31, 2019, 02:36:52 PM
An incredibly poor player unfortunately. Awful vision, decision making and no end product. He’s McClean with a bit more pace and less bottle. Thank god we get to send him back to Newcastle in the summer.


I'm not sure he's any quicker than McClean. Other than that you're spot on (IMO). He's a wimp of a footballer. I'm not a fan of him or Montero.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: paulosull on March 31, 2019, 02:55:39 PM
Jimmy isn't the answer to being next coach, like Darren he hasn't got the tactical nouse to be top manager. Ex Fulham boss for me is stand out candidate.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: WBArgo on March 31, 2019, 03:11:54 PM
Jimmy isn't the answer to being next coach, like Darren he hasn't got the tactical nouse to be top manager. Ex Fulham boss for me is stand out candidate.

I don't think anyone is disputing that.

Having said that, I believe he should be given until the end of the season, regardless of how he does - and then we look at long-term prospects in the summer.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 31, 2019, 03:14:11 PM
Someone has said that we need a new manager (possibly foreign) with contacts (outside of England). Pick and choose players who will suit us.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on March 31, 2019, 03:59:16 PM
Someone has said that we need a new manager (possibly foreign) with contacts (outside of England). Pick and choose players who will suit us.

We have a DoF who is responsible for identifying players.

At the moment, we don't know what division we'll be in. A re-build in the EPL will look a lot different from a re-build in the EFL.
Surely, that will determine the level of Head Coach we have?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on March 31, 2019, 04:12:23 PM
I note that Tim Sherwood has entered the betting with SkyBet at 10/1

Not the Head Coach I would choose.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 31, 2019, 04:20:08 PM
We have a DoF who is responsible for identifying players.

At the moment, we don't know what division we'll be in. A re-build in the EPL will look a lot different from a re-build in the EFL.
Surely, that will determine the level of Head Coach we have?
Darren Moore is unemployed btw.  :P
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Post by: tuamigos on March 31, 2019, 05:14:26 PM
Gary Monk worth a look IMO
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Post by: FallOutBoy on March 31, 2019, 05:19:58 PM
Gary Monk worth a look IMO

After some of his players antics Friday night? Diving and taking players out? No thanks.
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Post by: tuamigos on March 31, 2019, 05:46:51 PM
After some of his players antics Friday night? Diving and taking players out? No thanks.

We do our share
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Post by: Baggies on March 31, 2019, 06:25:08 PM
With the run Barnsley have been on to pull away from Pompey and Sunderland in the rave for Championship promotion, should we be looking at Daniel Stendel? Young German manager, good coaching upbringing in Germany.

Is Jokanovic doesn't work out and if we don't have any obvious candidates, I reckon we could get him to come withiut too much difficulty.
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Post by: Pie on March 31, 2019, 07:12:52 PM
I note that Tim Sherwood has entered the betting with SkyBet at 10/1

Not the Head Coach I would choose.

Would honestly rather have Pardew back than him.
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Post by: gerry m on March 31, 2019, 07:52:52 PM
I note that Tim Sherwood has entered the betting with SkyBet at 10/1

Not the Head Coach I would choose.

Hopefully not. Made the sarky ' There a great little club arnt they' after he chose Villa over us.
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Post by: BalisPen on March 31, 2019, 08:20:29 PM
Hopefully not. Made the sarky ' There a great little club arnt they' after he chose Villa over us.

He never chose them over us. He was never offered our job.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 31, 2019, 08:48:51 PM
He never chose them over us. He was never offered our job.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-vacancy-tim-7248125
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Post by: Adder on March 31, 2019, 09:15:25 PM
With the run Barnsley have been on to pull away from Pompey and Sunderland in the rave for Championship promotion, should we be looking at Daniel Stendel? Young German manager, good coaching upbringing in Germany.

Is Jokanovic doesn't work out and if we don't have any obvious candidates, I reckon we could get him to come withiut too much difficulty.
Yeah I saw the football focus item on Barnsley yesterday - we could probably do a lot worse. He's using a high energy pressing style at Barnsley and using a lot of young players to play that way. This could be the way we should be looking. To play that way the training is very intense (triple sessions as with Klopp). It would surely mean the end of Barry, Morrison, Brunt for a start. We look as though we're on the verge of having 5 or 6 young players coming into serious reckoning for the 1st team from next year, if we are prepared to give them a chance. Why not have the inevitable clear-out (assuming we don't go up), supplement our own youngsters with some other signings/loans suited to high energy style. Possible issue is we'd probably need to be patient enough to give a manager 2 years to get us up...as Norwich have done with Farke.
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Post by: BalisPen on March 31, 2019, 10:19:20 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-vacancy-tim-7248125

Article says no one has been offered the job, add to that that it is in the Birmingham snail rarely gets anything Albion right.
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Post by: Standaman on April 01, 2019, 01:57:12 AM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/31/west-brom-will-offer-james-shan-chance-to-add-two-new-faces-to-coaching-staff/

From the above it would seem that Shan has it to the end of the season and will be able to bring in some experienced support on a temporary basis next week.

To be honest at least that puts things to bed for the time being we have up to 10 games to go we are playing pretty basic football the squad is a mess at least the new guy can come in with a clean sheet and rebuild whichever division we are in.
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Post by: Dexy on April 01, 2019, 07:47:39 AM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/31/west-brom-will-offer-james-shan-chance-to-add-two-new-faces-to-coaching-staff/

From the above it would seem that Shan has it to the end of the season and will be able to bring in some experienced support on a temporary basis next week.

To be honest at least that puts things to bed for the time being we have up to 10 games to go we are playing pretty basic football the squad is a mess at least the new guy can come in with a clean sheet and rebuild whichever division we are in.
I posted last week that if SJ or the like can't be tempted then sticking with Shan until the Summer is the best option. There's a lot of names linked from the merry go round that frighten me in all honesty and would only lead to another mess and more chopping and changing at this point.
I always felt Moore and especially Jones were making it more difficult than it had to be on the pitch so its no surprise a more simple plan under Shan is winning games.
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Post by: frazzle on April 01, 2019, 08:38:47 AM
Article says no one has been offered the job, add to that that it is in the Birmingham snail rarely gets anything Albion right.

I just read that whole article thinking it had been written today. Dear god I need a lie down
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Post by: NJS on April 01, 2019, 10:44:19 AM
From the game vs B'ham it was clear that Shan went back to the future.  It worked on Friday evening but I thought that there was the same problem in keeping ageing midfielders on the pitch beyond their reserves of stamina.  That tackle by Brunt towards the end might not have been tactical genius but that of a desperately tired player being given the run-around.  Would it have been genius if Brum had scored from it just as they had from two previous set pieces?

Nevertheless I don't feel that there is any point in making knee-jerk appointments.  Let's see how Shan develops over these last games.  We can choose a manager when we know which division we're in.  I agree with those who say it's difficult (though not impossible with sufficient funds) to line up the manager of your choice to take over as soon as you have sacked the current boss.

Finally not even sure we would be ready for the EPL without a rebuild that would take more than a summer break.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 01, 2019, 11:17:25 AM
Finally not even sure we would be ready for the EPL without a rebuild that would take more than a summer break.

Agree with all of that - especially this bit.
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Post by: KN22 on April 01, 2019, 12:54:19 PM
There would be a massive rebuild to perform if we managed to go up, no doubt. I would still love it to happen though. If we stay down for another season do we really think we would be more ready for the step up in 12 months time? I doubt it personally. No, lets get up somehow and then worry!
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Post by: baggie96 on April 01, 2019, 02:23:04 PM
Allardyce’s odds have dropped massively today, now favourite. He’d probably get us up tbf but surely nothing more than a 3 month contract!
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 01, 2019, 02:24:16 PM
Allardyce’s odds have dropped massively today, now favourite. He’d probably get us up tbf but surely nothing more than a 3 month contract!

From the boards perspective, he would be the most likely candidate to make us a saleable commodity. If he were to get us up and established, that is all they will care about right now.
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Post by: Mister AT on April 01, 2019, 02:40:58 PM
I just don't see the point in bringing a new guy in now with so little time left.

Surely the logical sense would be to leave Shan in charge and give him some support, the players are clearly playing for him as you saw from Fridays performance.

The last thing we need now is someone to come in and take 2 weeks trying to change the way we play again.

On the other hand, have the club given up hope of automatic and see us basically guaranteed a play off spot, so the new guy would have the next few games to figure the squad out and have a crack at the play offs?

Personally though, I think at the stage we are now, we need to just wait until the summer and have the new man in place soon as the season ends so he has the summer to rebuild the squad - whichever division we find ourselves in.
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Post by: tuamigos on April 01, 2019, 03:21:19 PM
It is'nt broken at the moment and doesn't need fixing.
Leave well alone I say, JS until the end of the season and no longer
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Post by: FallOutBoy on April 01, 2019, 04:55:28 PM
It is'nt broken at the moment and doesn't need fixing.
Leave well alone I say, JS until the end of the season and no longer

If you can watch the first half on Friday and say that it isn't broken, or our defending from set pieces, then I'll have some of what you're having. ;D
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Post by: frazzle on April 01, 2019, 05:05:35 PM
If you can watch the first half on Friday and say that it isn't broken, or our defending from set pieces, then I'll have some of what you're having. ;D

Agreed. We should give Shan credit for getting the wins but the performance in the first half was as bad as I’ve seen. Not getting at him personally but it’s to be expected that we will be all over the place. We’ve been very lucky in the three games but I’ll take it!
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Post by: lewisant on April 01, 2019, 05:08:36 PM
Allardyce's odds on with 3 bookies now, out of nowhere. Has somebody had a flutter!?
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on April 01, 2019, 05:13:25 PM
Steve McClaren is available  :o :o
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Post by: boinging_along on April 01, 2019, 05:54:33 PM
Would rather stick with Shan than Schteve or Sam.
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Post by: divinewind on April 01, 2019, 06:07:57 PM
If we got to the play off final, would Shan be the man to have a plan?
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Post by: boinging_along on April 01, 2019, 06:26:53 PM
If we got to the play off final, would Shan be the man to have a plan?

If he got us there, then yeah, I don't see why not.
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Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on April 01, 2019, 06:52:49 PM
Allardyce's odds on with 3 bookies now, out of nowhere. Has somebody had a flutter!?

Matt Wilson of the E&S has has just replied to my tweet saying there’s no truth in it whatsoever. Hope he’s right! 
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Post by: VANDERLEI on April 01, 2019, 09:28:35 PM
Big Sam hates us. He'd never agree to manage us unless we made him a ridiculous offer which we know is never going to happen.
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Post by: KN22 on April 01, 2019, 10:39:37 PM
Really hope that this an April fool joke. Not him surely?
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 01, 2019, 11:07:55 PM
Unpopular truth: Allardyce would be better than any name linked besides Slavisa Jokanovic.
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Post by: Standaman on April 01, 2019, 11:41:18 PM
Latest from Matt Wilson of the Express & Star No truth in the Allardyce rumours whatsoever, which comes as a relief. I would rather be relegated to the conference than have Allardyce at the club. There probably should be a law preventing your club being managed by Pulis and Allardyce in the same lifetime something along the lines of preventing cruel and unusual punishment.
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Post by: kris_boing on April 02, 2019, 07:47:56 AM
I think Sam would be perfect for the role right now.   Long term perhaps not but bringing him in with a view to getting us up and keeping us in the Premier League would make perfect sense. 

He is pragmatic in his approach but he's certainly not on Pulis' level for that. 

Plus I get the impression, from performances this season, that our players are more suited to that approach rather than possession football.  It would also suit us best in the Premier League should be go up.

Two years with Big Sam wouldn't be the end of the world for me.

He would have gone full circle as well as wasn't he reserve team manager under Brian Talbot?
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 02, 2019, 08:40:21 AM
'If everyone was comfortable' Sam Allardyce breaks his silence on West Brom job rumours

According to a report in the link Below of an interview Big Sam gave on TalkSport, I wouldn’t rule the prospect out of him taking over just yet

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-manager-sam-allardyce-16062332
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Post by: lewisant on April 02, 2019, 08:48:47 AM
I would be perfectly happy with Allardyce until the end of the season. Sure he's pragmatic and he's one off the manager merry-go-round but has Shan shown us his football is any different?

I would want Jokanovic but if he isn't an option and Allardyce is i wouldn't say no
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 02, 2019, 09:03:35 AM
If the club intend keeping Shan in position for the rest of the season, why haven’t they helped him out by letting him bring experienced coaches in to share the load by now?

I just feel the board are still faffing about and as such makes you think they real don’t know the best course of action. Remind you of a similar group of decision makers?

Hopeless!
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Post by: darbolina on April 02, 2019, 09:49:30 AM
It's simple for me, Allardyce would mostly be an appointment for Lai/ investors whereas as fans we mostly want to be entertained whilst being successful, thus ruling out an Allardyce type manager.

The inescapable truth about the Allardyce, Pulis' etc is also that they seem to leave clubs in a bit of a mess because they had to have such top to bottom control.

We need a structure that can outlast a head coach leaving just as we used to do.
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 02, 2019, 09:55:13 AM
Would I prefer Allardyce to Shan for the next few matches? Yes.
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Post by: seteefeet on April 02, 2019, 09:57:03 AM
'If everyone was comfortable' Sam Allardyce breaks his silence on West Brom job rumours

According to a report in the link Below of an interview Big Sam gave on TalkSport, I wouldn’t rule the prospect out of him taking over just yet

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-manager-sam-allardyce-16062332
Not bitter at all is he?

[i"We got beaten in the FA Cup and we both got tossed into the wilderness and lost our job.][/i]

Makes it sound like they were hard done to, doesn't mention that it was a home 2-4 defeat to Woking and still is one of the most embarrassing days in our club's modern history.
I know where I'd like to toss him, head first into the cut.

This sentence alone should be enough of a warning sign for us to steer clear.
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Post by: hardtobeat on April 02, 2019, 10:25:27 AM
Unpopular truth: Allardyce would be better than any name linked besides Slavisa Jokanovic.
Totally agree if he didn't get us up this time he would next season. Would we like the brand of football?  At times probably not but if its winning football then fans tend to be OK with most things. I still think his wages would be a major problem and am interested with his ' if everybody's OK with it ' remark in the interview as I believe that could well be aimed  as much at supporters who might not take kindly to his Wolves roots.
On another tack interestingly rumours already circulating that QPR are talking to Sherwood , only been 24 hrs we on the other hand are still faffing about after 3 weeks !  Our whole lack of foresight and planning since the sacking is mind boggling !!
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Post by: VANDERLEI on April 02, 2019, 10:52:31 AM
I'd be happy with Big Sam on a long term basis. He's always delivered results wherever he has been. The meltdown on here would be priceless  :D
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Post by: Albionic on April 02, 2019, 10:56:41 AM
Not a chance, in my opinion, he is a dishonest person who put his privileged position as England Manager up for sale to the highest bidder, do NOT want him associated with our club in any way.
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Post by: gazberg on April 02, 2019, 10:58:48 AM
Would have confidence Sam would get us up and keep us up. Sure the football might not be the best but it would be better for thclub to be in the premier League.
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 02, 2019, 11:39:03 AM
If the club intend keeping Shan in position for the rest of the season, why haven’t they helped him out by letting him bring experienced coaches in to share the load by now?


As I understand it, the board have continuously been in conversation with JS about help.
It was JS who declined the help so far, but I understand that discussions are on-going with a view to bringing in up to two coaches with complimentary experience to help, sometime this week.
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Post by: StourBaggie on April 02, 2019, 12:13:58 PM
I’m becoming more convinced by the no show of a new manager yet, we were hoping for Wagner and because of his HTFC contract conditions we’re trying to hold out til the summer now.. with odds of 22/1 tempting

Some of the odds might appear long as bookies often say that if a caretaker remains in charge for 10 games they are considered the new manager for the purposes of the betting market.

This might be why Shan's odds are short and possible summer recruitments are long (e.g. Wagner) - even if we don't make the play-offs (highly unlikely now anyway) Shan will have been in for 10 games if he's given until the end. Wagner can't take over this season so 22/1 would only come in if someone other than Shan were to see this season out.

Basically, don't read too much into the odds for "permanent" manager and be careful if odds look tempting.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 02, 2019, 12:20:48 PM
Steve McClaren is available  :o :o


that generally would wind most folk up
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 02, 2019, 12:21:25 PM
I'd be happy with Big Sam on a long term basis. He's always delivered results wherever he has been. The meltdown on here would be priceless  :D


i am with you. big sam for me. go get him now this very minute
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 02, 2019, 12:22:41 PM
Should we try and get Pulis back? (Hiding behing the sofa with my tin hat on).  :P
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 02, 2019, 12:25:41 PM
Should we try and get Pulis back? (Hiding behing the sofa with my tin hat on).  :P

read my post above my last one :)
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Post by: seteefeet on April 02, 2019, 12:34:53 PM
How anyone can want this propane-bottle headed doghead is beyond me. He hates the club, his football is crap and his last job ended in shame. Have we no integrity left?
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Post by: mrvulgarity on April 02, 2019, 12:48:23 PM
Didnt he once say he would never manage WBA?
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Post by: KN22 on April 02, 2019, 12:54:46 PM
Blimey, some of us never learn. We are still suffering the fallout from the reign of Pulis now we are considering a guy whose tactics are very Pulisesque? It's a big no from me!
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 02, 2019, 01:59:05 PM
Alex Neil not going anywhere

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/back-to-the-drawing-board-west-brom-dealt-blow-in-new-manager-hunt-opinion/ (https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/back-to-the-drawing-board-west-brom-dealt-blow-in-new-manager-hunt-opinion/)

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The Preston boss spoke at a fans’ forum on Monday evening and put the record straight in no uncertain terms.

Neil said he has ‘no intention of going anywhere else’and continued by saying his ‘sole focus is Preston North End.’

In addition to this, he revealed the club are already planning for next season and that ‘speculation is speculation.’
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Post by: shortybaggies on April 02, 2019, 01:59:46 PM
Here is the video of him being asked the question: https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1112951503327842305

To me, and I'm just speculating, this sounds like they HAVE approached him but they've got absolutely no concrete plan on why they want him, what he's being asked to do and whether this is a long term position.

Think of it what you will.
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Post by: darbolina on April 02, 2019, 02:19:50 PM
If Allardyce came if until the end of the season only I wouldn't be averse to that at this stage. Any longer and it just wouldn't work for us or him, simple as that. The current squad would suit Allardyce in the short term much more than Jokanovic that's very clear to me (Jokanovic likes a midfield). Whatever happens, we need a new (old) structure built around two or three coaches who remain whoever the head coach is. 
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 02, 2019, 02:32:39 PM
Here is the video of him being asked the question: https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1112951503327842305

To me, and I'm just speculating, this sounds like they HAVE approached him but they've got absolutely no concrete plan on why they want him, what he's being asked to do and whether this is a long term position.

Think of it what you will.

Personally, at best, I think it's Alladyce using the media to sound us out, but more likely mischief making by talk sport.

Pretty sure when Jenkins came back he said he wanted us to revert to the DoF model that was so successful under Dan Ashworth. With the recent successes & lift in profile of our academy, I think it's unlikely that we'd turn to Alladyce.

David Wagner, struggled with players from Huddersfield's academy, but none the less was willing to develop players from other more advanced academies.
Of the potential candidates currently in the frame, I believe he is the one that would fit our profile the best.

I also believe that our academy was a big selling point for Lai, & any Head Coach that could bring players from the academy to the first team would get a thumbs up from him.
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Post by: tuamigos on April 02, 2019, 02:50:39 PM
Blimey, some of us never learn. We are still suffering the fallout from the reign of Pulis now we are considering a guy whose tactics are very Pulisesque? It's a big no from me!

me too.
7 games to go, the die is already cast. What's the point in bringing another manager in off the gravy train.
Leave JS to it now for the rest of the season, bringing in somebody like Fat Sam could be really detrimental.
Let's hope the new guy is under starters orders for May 6th (wishful thinking maybe?)
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Post by: TiptonThrostle on April 02, 2019, 02:57:09 PM
Would rather let Shan just carry on until the end of the season than give it Allardyce.

im absolutely baffled his name is being discussed considering his tactics and style of play is very similar to an ex manager who created a complete divide between the fans and club.
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Post by: frazzle on April 02, 2019, 03:04:15 PM
There is not a manager in the whole of the UK who is as negative, short termist, and creates as much consequential damage to the structure of the club than Pulis. Allardyce is nowhere near as bad as Pulis.

It’s a no from me for Allardyce but if he did get the role then I would give it a go. I doubt he is any cheaper than Jokanovic though so I don’t think there’s a chance he will join.
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Post by: NJS on April 02, 2019, 04:14:26 PM
It is just possible (while of course making no allegations) that an aura of corruption surrounds one of the candidates this thread has been discussing - of wheeler dealing, back-handers and agents' fees.
I can't comprehend why we would take the person given our DoF business model.
Nevertheless the club is bigger than the team + manager - it's us no matter what division.  I would just have to turn my support down a notch until he moved himself on.
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Post by: mulliganstired on April 02, 2019, 05:00:55 PM
Allardyce?  Just NO, all the reasons given above.
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Post by: The Black Pearl on April 02, 2019, 05:29:25 PM
We seem to have great difficulty finding decent managers.
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Post by: caravanc58 on April 02, 2019, 06:57:52 PM
Didnt he once say he would never manage WBA?
I for one hope he's true to his word.
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Post by: Nice1Cyrille on April 02, 2019, 08:58:51 PM
It is just possible (while of course making no allegations) that an aura of corruption surrounds one of the candidates this thread has been discussing - of wheeler dealing, back-handers and agents' fees.
I can't comprehend why we would take the person given our DoF business model.
Nevertheless the club is bigger than the team + manager - it's us no matter what division.  I would just have to turn my support down a notch until he moved himself on.
Again no allegations being made but I always wondered if there was an under the table transfer when Burke signed for a former manager of this club. Then he rarely gave him a place on the bench.
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Post by: tlms-p23 on April 02, 2019, 09:08:25 PM
Not a fan of Allardyce but I don’t think he’s anywhere near as bad as Pulis. He’s had many more top half finishes and I don’t think the football is as bad. In one of Pulis’ seasons we failed to have a single shot on goal in 7/38 games (14/15 I think?). Can’t be as negative as that.

I’d be as confident as it’s possible to be that we’d get promoted if he had a full pre-season, etc. Don’t know what it would mean for the academy and club/fan relations though. Wouldnt be a progressive appointment in those respects.
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Post by: Standaman on April 02, 2019, 09:57:53 PM
Those of you saying Allardyce to end of the season that is not how he works we would be stuck with the barstool for next season come what may and paying handsomely for the privilege. Allardyce's sole redeeming feature is that he is not quite as bad as Pulis or put it another way Pulis' one use is to make Allardyce look okay.

Seriously if we want a dinosaur let's just get Rowett he would be cheaper and no worse. 
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Post by: hunsletbaggie on April 02, 2019, 10:26:31 PM
Didnt he once say he would never manage WBA?
Good lets hope he keeps his word the doghead
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 03, 2019, 09:33:02 AM
Allardyce? Just no. We've had two of the Cro Magnon brigade in the last few years, let's never do that again.

What has mummy told you about playing with matches?
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Post by: OldburyWBA on April 03, 2019, 11:16:52 AM

@RobDorsettSky
 38m38 minutes ago
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Understand #wbafc senior players have told the club’s bosses they’re v happy with the job James Shan is doing, and there’s no urgent need to appoint a new manager. More experienced coaches have been spoken to in case Shan feels he needs more support as Albion near the play offs.


Roughly translated as Brunt & Morrison are now back in the team so all is good at the training ground.

They were happy with Big Dave until he started leaving them out the team.
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Post by: Atomic on April 03, 2019, 11:21:36 AM
@RobDorsettSky
 38m38 minutes ago
More
Understand #wbafc senior players have told the club’s bosses they’re v happy with the job James Shan is doing, and there’s no urgent need to appoint a new manager. More experienced coaches have been spoken to in case Shan feels he needs more support as Albion near the play offs.


Roughly translated as Brunt & Morrison are now back in the team so all is good at the training ground.

They were happy with Big Dave until he started leaving them out the team.


This is very annoying. The senior players should have no bloody say in who the manager is they are paid employees of West Bromwich Albion and are very well paid to do their job regardless of who the manager is.

The sooner these senior players are out of the club the better, whoever they are!
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Post by: gazberg on April 03, 2019, 11:36:38 AM
Agreed. Time for the old boys to move on. All they need to worry about are their performances on the pitch.
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Post by: Mister AT on April 03, 2019, 11:38:50 AM
@RobDorsettSky
 38m38 minutes ago
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Understand #wbafc senior players have told the club’s bosses they’re v happy with the job James Shan is doing, and there’s no urgent need to appoint a new manager. More experienced coaches have been spoken to in case Shan feels he needs more support as Albion near the play offs.


Roughly translated as Brunt & Morrison are now back in the team so all is good at the training ground.

They were happy with Big Dave until he started leaving them out the team.

Who are we classing as the 'senior' players.

People obviously naming Brunt and Morrison but would that be it, or does the list go further, are we talking Dawson, Livermore, Gibbs, Phillips, Barry?

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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 03, 2019, 11:40:07 AM
@RobDorsettSky
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Understand #wbafc senior players have told the club’s bosses they’re v happy with the job James Shan is doing, and there’s no urgent need to appoint a new manager. More experienced coaches have been spoken to in case Shan feels he needs more support as Albion near the play offs.


Roughly translated as Brunt & Morrison are now back in the team so all is good at the training ground.

They were happy with Big Dave until he started leaving them out the team.
they publicly supported Dave while Shan was the assistant, I don’t remember them being vocal while Jones was here and Shan was pushed back a bit.
I agree it’s almost certainly because they are back in the team but it could just be they like how Shan does things too.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 03, 2019, 12:38:45 PM
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Understand #wbafc senior players have told the club’s bosses they’re v happy with the job James Shan is doing, and there’s no urgent need to appoint a new manager. More experienced coaches have been spoken to in case Shan feels he needs more support as Albion near the play offs.


Roughly translated as Brunt & Morrison are now back in the team so all is good at the training ground.

They were happy with Big Dave until he started leaving them out the team.

Another reason why the likes of Brunt and Morrison should be got rid of.

Their say and influence is far too powerful, in my view.
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Post by: FallOutBoy on April 03, 2019, 12:41:07 PM
The story on Sky Sports website https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/11682979/west-brom-to-stick-with-caretaker-boss-james-shan-for-foreseeable-future

Albion have won all three games since Shan took over from Darren Moore four weeks ago, and SSN understands the club's hierarchy have been influenced by senior players. They have taken on more responsibility and are happy with the current coaching set-up.

There is a core group of players that has needed breaking up for a long time. Moore sanded the edges off, but we need somebody to shake them out of this 'go along to get along' mentality.

Wait until Shan does something they don't like, he'll be out on his ear too.

Sounds like the tail is wagging the dog.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 03, 2019, 12:49:25 PM

This is very annoying. The senior players should have no bloody say in who the manager is they are paid employees of West Bromwich Albion and are very well paid to do their job regardless of who the manager is.

The sooner these senior players are out of the club the better, whoever they are!
I am not too sure that I agrre with the last statement.
The sentiment as a whole is there, and I agree.
Basically players are just that... players employed to do a job (as we all are in work), we can voice our opinions and have a spokesman..but that is it.
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Post by: sing on our own on April 03, 2019, 12:57:07 PM
Time to drain the swamp this summer. Odemwingie said the dressing room was toxic and had a bullying culture and nothing’s changed.
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Post by: Mo on April 03, 2019, 01:18:32 PM
What multi million pound business let’s its employees tell it who should be manager. As others have stated it’s  becoming jncreasingly obvious the tail wags the dog .
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 03, 2019, 01:22:24 PM
footballers  running the show then, its why i have given up. player power sucks
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 03, 2019, 01:26:23 PM
What multi million pound business let’s its employees tell it who should be manager. As others have stated it’s  becoming jncreasingly obvious the tail wags the dog .
how many multi million pound businesses have a product that basically IS their employees?
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 03, 2019, 01:44:15 PM
how many multi million pound businesses have a product that basically IS their employees?

Beat me to it.

They're not employees, they are the product, that everybody pays to watch.

If it's working, leave it alone. I imagine Luke Dowling is monitoring the situation daily, & it makes sense to ask the advice of senior players.
It's a strategic decision to leave JS in place to the end of the season, I've seen no other reports that says "until further notice".
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Post by: darbolina on April 03, 2019, 02:07:55 PM
Yes I agree, players these days see themselves (rightfully) as mini-businesses - leasing their services to clubs for a period of time. If we're savvy we'll buy them for lowish fees and sell them on for more but we've just so happened to have half a team of players who are ageing and won't fetch that much in sales if anything plus they're generally taking up big wages (no disrespect intended to Brunt , Morrison, Livermore, HRK, Barry for example who in the main have offered good service).

They key for us to get a manager next season who can properly develop this handful of talented kids we have into a good team for the next few years whilst moving out the older higher earners and helping Dowling to buy good enough replacements who we can also develop and move on for more in the future.

We simply need a bloody good coach who has a track record of developing youngsters.............. and give them at least a bit of time.....for a change?
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Post by: Mister AT on April 03, 2019, 02:55:38 PM
Yes I agree, players these days see themselves (rightfully) as mini-businesses - leasing their services to clubs for a period of time. If we're savvy we'll buy them for lowish fees and sell them on for more but we've just so happened to have half a team of players who are ageing and won't fetch that much in sales if anything plus they're generally taking up big wages (no disrespect intended to Brunt , Morrison, Livermore, HRK, Barry for example who in the main have offered good service).

They key for us to get a manager next season who can properly develop this handful of talented kids we have into a good team for the next few years whilst moving out the older higher earners and helping Dowling to buy good enough replacements who we can also develop and move on for more in the future.

We simply need a bloody good coach who has a track record of developing youngsters.............. and give them at least a bit of time.....for a change?

First name that came to mind that we could 'afford' was the Bristol City coach. Surprised his name hasn't popped up since DM's sacking. Doesn't have a lot of money to spend yet they always seem to be in and around the play offs.

From a business perspective, we need to be looking at Brentford in my opinion. Doesn't matter who the head coach is there, they play a good style of football and have an identity about what they are trying to do, especially on a small budget.
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Post by: royhan on April 03, 2019, 03:54:59 PM
Reported target Alex Neil is quoted as having said that he has no intention of leaving Preston and is already making plans for next season.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 03, 2019, 04:49:07 PM
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Understand #wbafc senior players have told the club’s bosses they’re v happy with the job James Shan is doing, and there’s no urgent need to appoint a new manager. More experienced coaches have been spoken to in case Shan feels he needs more support as Albion near the play offs.


Roughly translated as Brunt & Morrison are now back in the team so all is good at the training ground.

They were happy with Big Dave until he started leaving them out the team.

Question: who is running the playing side of the club?
Answer: the players favoured choice, until his not
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Post by: gerry m on April 03, 2019, 06:30:28 PM
Begs the question who is exactly running the club! It seems to me that Brunt seems to have a lot of influence.
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Post by: caravanc58 on April 03, 2019, 06:37:22 PM
Brunt/Morrison joint manager role next season.😇
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 03, 2019, 06:56:26 PM
Brunt/Morrison joint manager role next season.😇
They already have the role mate ;)
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Post by: divinewind on April 04, 2019, 09:44:58 AM
People slate Brunt, but our results are better when he is in the side. Might be coincidence, or it might be all those assists and those decisive goals he has the knack of getting.
Who knows eh?
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Post by: ronnie_allen on April 04, 2019, 10:00:00 AM
People slate Brunt, but our results are better when he is in the side. Might be coincidence, or it might be all those assists and those decisive goals he has the knack of getting.
Who knows eh?

Didn't our results improve at the start of the season when he went out of the side. Now they have improved which has coincided with his return; among a number of other factors. Think he is a good squad player with his strengths and weaknesses; both can be managed or increased depending on his position and they type of game.
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Post by: Westie on April 04, 2019, 10:41:25 AM
I wouldn’t be surprised if Colin quit Cardiff at the end of the season, so, what would be the response on all the Albion message boards to Mr Warnock being appointed our next manager? They would go into meltdown! It won’t happen but it is amusing to speculate.......
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Post by: divinewind on April 04, 2019, 11:25:20 AM
I wouldn’t be surprised if Colin quit Cardiff at the end of the season, so, what would be the response on all the Albion message boards to Mr Warnock being appointed our next manager? They would go into meltdown! It won’t happen but it is amusing to speculate.......

Horrible bloke. I think most fans would stay away if that happened. Mind you it could be a way to get Lai out.
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Post by: Mister AT on April 04, 2019, 12:04:53 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised if Colin quit Cardiff at the end of the season, so, what would be the response on all the Albion message boards to Mr Warnock being appointed our next manager? They would go into meltdown! It won’t happen but it is amusing to speculate.......

I couldn't pick a worse person to manage my club.

I would rather have Tony Pulis back here than have Neil Warnock in charge.

Imagine how hostile it would be with him in charge, I don't know one baggie who would welcome Neil Warnock.
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Post by: Norfolk Baggie on April 04, 2019, 12:19:10 PM
I couldn't pick a worse person to manage my club.

I would rather have Tony Pulis back here than have Neil Warnock in charge.

Imagine how hostile it would be with him in charge, I don't know one baggie who would welcome Neil Warnock.

it is a pity the timing is out.  Appointing Colin would have made a fantastic April fool.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 04, 2019, 12:29:31 PM
I couldn't pick a worse person to manage my club.

I would rather have Tony Pulis back here than have Neil Warnock in charge.

Imagine how hostile it would be with him in charge, I don't know one baggie who would welcome Neil Warnock.


i would over pulis anyday
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Post by: seteefeet on April 04, 2019, 02:53:54 PM
I couldn't pick a worse person to manage my club.

I would rather have Tony Pulis back here than have Neil Warnock in charge.

Imagine how hostile it would be with him in charge, I don't know one baggie who would welcome Neil Warnock.

That's like choosing between crabs and scabies.
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Post by: Albionic on April 04, 2019, 05:25:21 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised if Colin quit Cardiff at the end of the season, so, what would be the response on all the Albion message boards to Mr Warnock being appointed our next manager? They would go into meltdown! It won’t happen but it is amusing to speculate.......

The worst post I have ever seen on this site, I hate the man with a passion and seriously I hate very very few people. I cannot think of a football manager I despise as much as that %$£+
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Post by: royhan on April 04, 2019, 06:16:15 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised if Colin quit Cardiff at the end of the season, so, what would be the response on all the Albion message boards to Mr Warnock being appointed our next manager? They would go into meltdown! It won’t happen but it is amusing to speculate.......

Who is Colin?
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Post by: OldburyWBA on April 04, 2019, 06:50:53 PM
Who is Colin?

Neil Warnock, anagram is Colin Wan&*r
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Post by: SmethDan on April 04, 2019, 07:28:36 PM
Not quite an anagram.

It's Neil Warnock minus the letters in the name Colin = w@nker.
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Post by: Standaman on April 04, 2019, 07:44:15 PM
What is it with you Guys? Every day another wide up. Two days ago it was Allardyce and we are now discussing f*cking Warnock. Stop it this is rock bottom there is no place left to go.
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 04, 2019, 09:47:12 PM
What is it with you Guys? Every day another wide up. Two days ago it was Allardyce and we are now discussing f*cking Warnock. Stop it this is rock bottom there is no place left to go.

Could be worse, we could still have a politics forum
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Post by: darbolina on April 05, 2019, 04:39:10 PM
"Nature abhors a vacumm" - in steps Colin or Sam..............ha ha
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Post by: Wigmore on April 05, 2019, 06:52:07 PM
"Caretaker and interim managers completing at least 10 competitive games will be deemed the permanent manager".
This proviso is still current on Skybet and they are currently offering odds  of 5/4 with regard to James Shan.

I never ever bet on Albion games, but given the unfolding scenario is there a better bet around?
Seven games to a potential payday....
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Post by: VANDERLEI on April 05, 2019, 09:13:06 PM
"Caretaker and interim managers completing at least 10 competitive games will be deemed the permanent manager".
This proviso is still current on Skybet and they are currently offering odds  of 5/4 with regard to James Shan.

I never ever bet on Albion games, but given the unfolding scenario is there a better bet around?
Seven games to a potential payday....

Easy money mate.
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Post by: royhan on April 05, 2019, 09:28:47 PM
Easy money mate.

I don’t trust bookies further than I can throw them, particularly when they offer so called ‘can’t lose’ bets. I have been caught too often! These devious bookies are masters at digging out information from ‘sources’ at clubs. Years ago I would be tempted by such generous odds but I have become wiser as I get older.
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Post by: Wigmore on April 05, 2019, 10:58:00 PM
I don’t trust bookies further than I can throw them, particularly when they offer so called ‘can’t lose’ bets. I have been caught too often! These devious bookies are masters at digging out information from ‘sources’ at clubs. Years ago I would be tempted by such generous odds but I have become wiser as I get older.
Apart from (in my opinion) farcical 5/6 odds on for the fat bloke from Dudley, all the candidates are quoted at far longer odds than Shan.
It does not appear that the bookies are being devious, but are as much in the dark as we are.
I guess that most Albion fans are equally able to judge the club hierarchy's mentality as the bookies.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 06, 2019, 09:15:22 AM
I think it's brilliant that our board had a Masterplan when they sacked Big Dave.

We really are an unstoppable force aren't we? Thanks Mark Jenkins and team for being so dynamic and ambitious on our behalf.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2019, 11:17:57 AM
I think it's brilliant that our board had a Masterplan when they sacked Big Dave.

We really are an unstoppable force aren't we? Thanks Mark Jenkins and team for being so dynamic and ambitious on our behalf.


They've put all 3 years parachute money on Shan at 5/4...
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Post by: baggiejohn on April 06, 2019, 11:36:09 AM
There's an article in this morning's times that David Wagner is looking to return to management next season.

I've no insider knowledge, but it's him I'd put my money on.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 06, 2019, 12:16:29 PM
As far as the next Head Coach is concerned, like other clubs, we will get who the decision makers want us to have not who we want, sound familiar?

For me, personally, it has to be Jokanovic, or else, imo, we will have let yet another golden opportunity slip through our fingers to take the club forward

PS. I wouldn't say no to Nuno Espírito Santo, shh, don’t tell the Dingles we’d have WW3 on our hands  ;)
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Post by: frazzle on April 06, 2019, 12:19:15 PM
There's an article in this morning's times that David Wagner is looking to return to management next season.

I've no insider knowledge, but it's him I'd put my money on.

If he is negative dull football then I’m not interested at all. Jokanovic for me. But this is a complete mess to be frank.
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Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 06, 2019, 12:40:41 PM
I think it's brilliant that our board had a Masterplan when they sacked Big Dave.

We really are an unstoppable force aren't we? Thanks Mark Jenkins and team for being so dynamic and ambitious on our behalf.
Not up to the job. Needs replacing.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 06, 2019, 12:43:04 PM
I don't how true these rumours are but it has been said SJ has agreed to go back to Fulham in the summer.

It has to be AN if we stay down imo, and if we go up, I think we should look abroad and find someone with great knowledge of the European transfer market.
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Post by: baggiebof on April 06, 2019, 01:34:39 PM
You have to hope that the club is taking stock of what its long term direction intends to be and is scouring the world, not just coaches known to this country, to find the best fit.

I hope that means we will be looking for someone who intends to work with and promote youth, likes to play progressive football and is happy to target signings but only based on the players name and reputation.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 06, 2019, 03:59:21 PM
You have to hope that the club is taking stock of what its long term direction intends to be and is scouring the world, not just coaches known to this country, to find the best fit.

I hope that means we will be looking for someone who intends to work with and promote youth, likes to play progressive football and is happy to target signings but only based on the players name and reputation.

The powers that be at our club are not even capable of scouring dust bins.
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Post by: frazzle on April 06, 2019, 04:52:31 PM
No point rushing someone in after this defeat. I’d probably commit to our youth with a midfield three of Field Harper and Edwards and ditch the older players who frankly are as much to blame for our current predicament as anyone.

We should be aiming for a manager who has invention, passion and energy.

Sadly I’m not certain anyone will want to come who is half decent due to our track record of sacking managers early.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 06, 2019, 04:55:06 PM
It's a very weird situation
I would have taken Moore out (possibly earlier jones)
I understand that once it looked very difficult to get auto (but playoffs are safe) that putting in a "proper manager" could almost only have a negative effect
Shan said he was "happy to help etc"

But then
The "experienced voices" start to get too involved, Shan states he wants to step in to a mangers role ....
We end up with this mess today

I don't know the fix, but I'm sure it's not brunt / Shan

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Post by: OldburyWBA on April 06, 2019, 04:56:36 PM
Not sure who but he needs to be here a s a bloody p.

Going from shambles to shambles. Yes its the first defeat under Shan but performances in the 3 games have not been good, Jenkins and co get ya fingers out as you are costing us. Have no issue with the sacking of Moore but the circus that has followed is a disgrace and embarrassment.
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Post by: lewisant on April 06, 2019, 04:58:52 PM
We were lucky v Blues and Swansea really and you could argue we were at Brentford too. In-game management and starting 11 poor today.

I'd say it's time to get somebody in and get us at least playing better football going into the play offs.
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Post by: EastYorksAlbion on April 06, 2019, 04:59:55 PM
It doesn’t matter who gets the job. Judging by the low spend attempt at promotion this year, whoever is in charge next year will have nothing to spend. Potential relegation battle next year awaits.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on April 06, 2019, 05:01:48 PM
It doesn’t matter who gets the job. Judging by the low spend attempt at promotion this year, whoever is in charge next year will have nothing to spend. Potential relegation battle next year awaits.

Thats why I have a feeling they are hoping for Wagner, did it all on the cheap at Huddersfield, just how we like it.
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Post by: Dexy on April 06, 2019, 05:04:20 PM
Can only hope that performance jolts the powers that be into action , expect the cheap option by Wednesday lunch.
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Post by: albion59 on April 06, 2019, 05:05:35 PM
Just get someone in quickly, someone who can sort these excuse for Footballer's out. Get rid of the dead wood Brunt, Morrison Livermore  and players who don't want to be here Philips Dawson Gibbs. We are an absolute joke with no idea from top to bottom.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2019, 05:07:40 PM
That's why you need a proper manager. When things go wrong like they did today. He just stood on the touchline clueless as to how to change things. That's how we lose the play offs right there.
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Post by: wba_1996 on April 06, 2019, 05:09:26 PM
If our next head coach is yet another off this dinosaur bandwagon I'm going to find another sport to follow. We need someone to come in, who doesn't look at crap old experienced British players in the same way Gemma Collins looks at a slice of cake.

I'm absolutely sick of these 'aard-working', 'experienced' players being signed and given preferrential treatment by spineless and clueless coaches who rely on outdated cliches to cover their ineptitude. The lack of tactical knowledge displayed by Pulis, Pardew, Moore and now Shan in depressing. We should be sat here watching a Daniel Farke, Slavisa Jokanovic or Dean Smith team blowing the opposition away, yet we've been served up 40 games of largely sh*t because we have nobody at the club who knows how modern football works.
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Post by: caravanc58 on April 06, 2019, 05:12:27 PM
not only do we need a manager we also need football  people on the board not number crunchers .
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Post by: cheesyknackers on April 06, 2019, 05:12:33 PM
No kindergarten manager please . Little bounce has swiftly disappeared .
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Post by: wba_1996 on April 06, 2019, 05:13:46 PM
No point rushing someone in after this defeat. I’d probably commit to our youth with a midfield three of Field Harper and Edwards and ditch the older players who frankly are as much to blame for our current predicament as anyone.

We should be aiming for a manager who has invention, passion and energy.

Sadly I’m not certain anyone will want to come who is half decent due to our track record of sacking managers early.

There will be thousand's applying, we give the job to pretty much anyone these days. As long as they're cheap and obviously underqualified. I might ping off my CV tomorrow, reckon I meet more of Jenkins' requirements than Jokanovic.
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Post by: Adder on April 06, 2019, 05:18:23 PM
Thats why I have a feeling they are hoping for Wagner, did it all on the cheap at Huddersfield, just how we like it.
I hope they go for a high energy playing style manager which I think Wagner fits into - if not Wagner then someone looking to play the high tempo style anyway. It'll take a summer of very hard pre-season fitness wise to get it started. Barry, Morrison and Brunt won't fit into it, to name just 3. I think we need to go this way with the academy players starting to work through, and if we can't spend a reasonable proportion of what we get in for the likes of Rondon and 3 or 4 others then we might as well give up.
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Post by: Mo on April 06, 2019, 05:18:58 PM
It doesn’t matter who gets the job. Judging by the low spend attempt at promotion this year, whoever is in charge next year will have nothing to spend. Potential relegation battle next year awaits.

Hard to disagree . What decent manager will work with freebies and promising academy kids. The club has no direction and that is a serious concern.
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Post by: AlbionFan on April 06, 2019, 05:23:43 PM
Enter Big Sam, stage left !
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Post by: caravanc58 on April 06, 2019, 05:27:36 PM
i feel like we've gone from the best run club in the Midlands to one with the most uncertain future, even with Birmingham having problems they look to have a structured plan with a decent side and proper manager in place, Albion feel like a lucky bag at the moment.
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Post by: Mikkyk on April 06, 2019, 05:52:45 PM
not only do we need a manager we also need football  people on the board not number crunchers .

This - whoever we appoint is going to be based on money rather than on football intelligence
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Post by: BAGGIE5 on April 06, 2019, 06:17:56 PM
I think we should be looking at gary monk to be honest.
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Post by: BalisPen on April 06, 2019, 06:24:13 PM
It is not ideal, but if you want to go up in the play offs and then stay up, the only proven manager out there who is available and has a record of getting an immediate bounce is fat sham.

Look at West ham and Palace, they are all consolidating in the prem after the foundations laid by him.

Imo though, I think we will go the cheap option and go for AN, whose Preston have dropped off since he has been linked with us.
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Post by: Dexy on April 06, 2019, 06:32:57 PM
Feel like we shunted a bit more on the desperate scale now , to be quite honest If we can't tempt SJ I'd look at Moyes .
Don't like the merry go round but at least he's a big enough character to get a few of these doing the basics.
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 06, 2019, 06:36:00 PM
This thread is starting to get depressing!
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Post by: skyclad99 on April 06, 2019, 06:38:48 PM
Enter Big Sam, stage left !

Exit two season tickets, stage right.......
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Post by: seteefeet on April 06, 2019, 06:49:06 PM
I hope they go for a high energy playing style manager which I think Wagner fits into - if not Wagner then someone looking to play the high tempo style anyway. It'll take a summer of very hard pre-season fitness wise to get it started. Barry, Morrison and Brunt won't fit into it, to name just 3. I think we need to go this way with the academy players starting to work through, and if we can't spend a reasonable proportion of what we get in for the likes of Rondon and 3 or 4 others then we might as well give up.
Won’t be any high tempo style with this group of slow, lazy ,arrogant overrated no marks. Would rather get rid of the lot and start again.

Moore took our last scrap of integrity with him.

Shambles .
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Post by: ex coseley kid on April 06, 2019, 06:55:31 PM
Won’t be any high tempo style with this group of slow, lazy ,arrogant overrated no marks. Would rather get rid of the lot and start again.

Moore took our last scrap of integrity with him.

Shambles .

Bloody right.
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Post by: zippyandbungle on April 06, 2019, 07:16:34 PM
Remi jardin
Zidane
Dario gradi
Jupp heynkes

They all went back
Wonder if Moore ?
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Post by: iwastherein68 on April 06, 2019, 07:17:57 PM
Remi jardin
Zidane
Dario gradi
Jupp heynkes

They all went back
Wonder if Moore ?
No thanks
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Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 06, 2019, 07:37:26 PM
Remi jardin
Zidane
Dario gradi
Jupp heynkes

They all went back
Wonder if Moore ?

Two of that four won the Champions League in the season they left...

Darren left after three months of awful home results and a shambolic pasting at Elland Road
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Post by: paulosull on April 06, 2019, 07:37:48 PM
SOS for Sir Gary Megson for final few games and to navigate play offs, no brainer in my opinion.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on April 06, 2019, 07:40:25 PM
Exit two season tickets, stage right.......

Don’t get me wrong, I want Jokanovic, but I can just see our lot panicking and Big Sam in Center Stage
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mulliganstired on April 06, 2019, 07:43:38 PM
SOS for Sir Gary Megson for final few games and to navigate play offs, no brainer in my opinion.
we could do a lot worse
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Adder on April 06, 2019, 08:38:45 PM
Won’t be any high tempo style with this group of slow, lazy ,arrogant overrated no marks. Would rather get rid of the lot and start again.

Moore took our last scrap of integrity with him.

Shambles .
That's more or less what I'm saying. It's time to change direction, develop a style and use our emerging young players, with new arrivals to compliment the new style.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2019, 08:55:23 PM
That's more or less what I'm saying. It's time to change direction, develop a style and use our emerging young players, with new arrivals to compliment the new style.


Who are these emerging young players? Edwards is the only one currently good enough and definitely an Albion player next season. Add Field if we're aspiring to mid table Championship (though he's unlikely to be suited to a high energy pressing style anyway).
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on April 06, 2019, 09:03:54 PM

Who are these emerging young players? Edwards is the only one currently good enough and definitely an Albion player next season. Add Field if we're aspiring to mid table Championship (though he's unlikely to be suited to a high energy pressing style anyway).

Harper, Field, Edwards. Those three should be integrated into the first team.

Leko no not good enough, Tulloch the same. Morgan Rogers maybe in a years time. Louie Barry has possibly more potential than any of them (Barcelona allegedly watching him) but he's only fifteen so realistically two or three years away at least depending on his physical growth.

The likes of OShea, Fitzwater, Ferguson and Wilson I think will struggle to make the grade.

Just my opinion at this stage.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2019, 09:08:55 PM
Harper, Field, Edwards. Those three should be integrated into the first team.

Leko no not good enough, Tulloch the same. Morgan Rogers maybe in a years time. Louie Barry has possibly more potential than any of them (Barcelona allegedly watching him) but he's only fifteen so realistically two or three years away at least depending on his physical growth.

The likes of OShea, Fitzwater, Ferguson and Wilson I think will struggle to make the grade.

Just my opinion at this stage.


Harper wont be here next season. So that's 2 including Field. Seems a little short handed for the type of changes people would like, think would be best ..
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Adder on April 06, 2019, 09:11:54 PM

Who are these emerging young players? Edwards is the only one currently good enough and definitely an Albion player next season. Add Field if we're aspiring to mid table Championship (though he's unlikely to be suited to a high energy pressing style anyway).
We have a choice of sticking with the same old yet again or forging a new team. A new manager, dare I say someone like Potter(but it won't be him), may come in here look at players we've hardly seen so far like Tulloch, Rogers, Soule...added to Edwards, Field, hopefully Harper and think these are talented and will have the energy and ability to fit the style I want to play (along with 4 or 5 loan/permanent signings) and a few remnants from the rest. Maybe it's pie in the sky thinking but the alternative seems to be more of the same.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on April 06, 2019, 09:12:40 PM

Harper wont be here next season. So that's 2 including Field. Seems a little short handed for the type of changes people would like, think would be best ..


Well that's an opinion and I'm not saying you're wrong but until that's confirmed I'd include him as part of our plans.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2019, 09:14:02 PM
We have a choice of sticking with the same old yet again or forging a new team. A new manager, dare I say someone like Potter(but it won't be him), may come in here look at players we've hardly seen so far like Tulloch, Rogers, Soule...added to Edwards, Field, hopefully Harper and think these are talented and will have the energy and ability to fit the style I want to play (along with 4 or 5 loan/permanent signings) and a few remnants from the rest. Maybe it's pie in the sky thinking but the alternative seems to be more of the same.


The next lot down are nowhere near ready for the Championship .Tulloch,  Morgan Rogers etc. They were awful the other night against City (who would finish comfortably bottom of the Championship if inserted into it.)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mo on April 06, 2019, 09:17:41 PM
Harper, Field, Edwards. Those three should be integrated into the first team.

Leko no not good enough, Tulloch the same. Morgan Rogers maybe in a years time. Louie Barry has possibly more potential than any of them (Barcelona allegedly watching him) but he's only fifteen so realistically two or three years away at least depending on his physical growth.

The likes of OShea, Fitzwater, Ferguson and Wilson I think will struggle to make the grade.

Just my opinion at this stage.

On what basis do you say Tulloch isn’t good enough ? He’s a kid who has hardly any first team experience !
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: hardtobeat on April 06, 2019, 09:24:10 PM

Who are these emerging young players? Edwards is the only one currently good enough and definitely an Albion player next season. Add Field if we're aspiring to mid table Championship (though he's unlikely to be suited to a high energy pressing style anyway).
So Jacko  what would be your plan of action for next season assuming we are still in the championship?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on April 06, 2019, 09:28:50 PM
On what basis do you say Tulloch isn’t good enough ? He’s a kid who has hardly any first team experience !


Just my opinion based on what I've seen of him. I look at footballers with a) intelligence, b) ability to execute what they attempt (technique), c) consistency in what they do, above all else. Others tend to look at pace, power which is fine until you meet teams that nulify the physicality you have.

I'm not always right by any means but generally I find long term I'm usually not far wrong.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Adder on April 06, 2019, 09:31:05 PM

The next lot down are nowhere near ready for the Championship .Tulloch,  Morgan Rogers etc. They were awful the other night against City (who would finish comfortably bottom of the Championship if inserted into it.)
You seem to be judging on one game though. We could/should be losing Rondon, Phillips, Hegazi, Dawson, J-Rod, (Gayle obviously), Gibbs....Barry out of contract, Morrison (are we relying on him during the inexplicable 2nd year of his contract?), lost track of Brunt's contract. We can either faff about with the old heads running the show again (when fit) or look to develop a new approach under a progressive manager.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2019, 09:33:37 PM
So Jacko  what would be your plan of action for next season assuming we are still in the championship?


The horse may have bolted but we should just get Jokanovic irrespective of division. Beg Rondon for a season at this level or sell him and give the manager all the money to spend. Get rid of players who can't play with a ball at feet, the likes of Dawson, Livermore, Rodriguez, Kanu.


Trust a good manager to rebuild however he wants. A team next season regularly featuring Edwards, Field, Tulloch, Rogers and Soule will get relegated from the Championship.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2019, 09:35:01 PM
You seem to be judging on one game though. We could/should be losing Rondon, Phillips, Hegazi, Dawson, J-Rod, (Gayle obviously), Gibbs....Barry out of contract, Morrison (are we relying on him during the inexplicable 2nd year of his contract?), lost track of Brunt's contract. We can either faff about with the old heads running the show again (when fit) or look to develop a new approach under a progressive manager.


I am judging on one game on the basis it was the best opposition they're eligible to face but are still not as good as Ipswich for example.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 06, 2019, 09:35:13 PM
SOS for Sir Gary Megson for final few games and to navigate play offs, no brainer in my opinion.
It is the obvious move mate, but Jenkins and SGM do not get on, so will not happen. The club unfortunately does NOT come first.
I really don't know where we are, but it seems like we are back in Trevor Summers time!
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: AlbionFan on April 06, 2019, 09:39:08 PM
It is the obvious move mate, but Jenkins and SGM do not get on, so will not happen. The club unfortunately does NOT come first.
I really don't know where we are, but it seems like we are back in Trevor Summers time!

Trev “The Shed” oh happy days in comparison
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 06, 2019, 09:44:54 PM

The next lot down are nowhere near ready for the Championship .Tulloch,  Morgan Rogers etc. They were awful the other night against City (who would finish comfortably bottom of the Championship if inserted into it.)
As in awful like the dingles who will get relegated ?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2019, 09:47:46 PM
As in awful like the dingles who will get relegated ?


Mate you likened Moore to Zidane earlier...
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Adder on April 06, 2019, 09:51:01 PM

Just my opinion based on what I've seen of him. I look at footballers with a) intelligence, b) ability to execute what they attempt (technique), c) consistency in what they do, above all else. Others tend to look at pace, power which is fine until you meet teams that nulify the physicality you have.

I'm not always right by any means but generally I find long term I'm usually not far wrong.
Fair enough - but you have to have pace in your side these days and that's not going to change. Harvey Barnes would score quite highly on your 3 measures and on pace (but that's no help to us now)...but the rest would be trailing (fully fit Phillips aside). You may have seen a fair bit of Tulloch but still seems pretty harsh to say he's not good enough...actually looked pretty decent when used in the cup.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2019, 10:10:04 PM
No I didn't
I listed zidane as one of a few managers that had gone back to a club they had managed , you were probably distracted by the sight of salad with his shirt off


I am quite the herbivore to be fair... likened does not mean compared. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: SirTonyM on April 06, 2019, 10:12:46 PM
We have consistently neglected to put money or long term thought into managerial appointments. To me this situation is Albion in microcosm.  You could argue the manager is the most important role at a football club. We historically appoint people out of work. As has been said many times the past few appointments were: Mel, Irvine, Pulis, Pardew, Moore, Shan (game by game). Who is confident it will be different next?
There is 120 million on the line and no-one knows what’s going on :)
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 06, 2019, 10:13:16 PM

I am quite the herbivore to be fair... likened does not mean compared. Hope this helps.
Still incorrect

I listed four managers that had gone back to a club....Moore has not, how can this be likening or comparing ?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: mig on April 06, 2019, 10:16:19 PM
We have consistently neglected to put money or long term thought into managerial appointments. To me this situation is Albion in microcosm.  You could argue the manager is the most important role at a football club. We historically appoint people out of work. As has been said many times the past few appointments were: Mel, Irvine, Pulis, Pardew, Moore, Shan (game by game). Who is confident it will be different next?
There is 120 million on the line and no-one knows what’s going on :)

I think the bigger issue highlighted by that list of managers is the lack of consistency in terms of approach/style of football, which in turn illustrates that the club has no long-term strategy or direction.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: royhan on April 06, 2019, 10:27:15 PM
It beggars belief that a club vying for one of the top leagues in world football can be so ill prepared. The word shambles hardly does justice to the shambolic situation we find ourselves in. The blame lies right at the top. Lai has been a total disaster and yet I can’t see him selling while he clings to the dream of the club somehow finding its way back to the lucrative Premier League. Sadly, I can only see us going one way from now on - downhill.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: slate on April 06, 2019, 10:31:11 PM
This is quite the comedy thread now.

Let's be honest, as fans, we do not know any more about what makes a successful team than anybody else.

Evens the professionals don't get it.

Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Adder on April 06, 2019, 10:37:12 PM
This is quite the comedy thread now.

Let's be honest, as fans, we do not know any more about what makes a successful team than anybody else.

Evens the professionals don't get it.
but we all have ideas and thoughts which we like to discuss - isn't that the point of an online forum ?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: darbolina on April 06, 2019, 11:04:48 PM
Beginning to think there's a big problem with the leadership of the club. We're being run really poorly atm and fans need answers at least , and changes at best.

A new manager won't change some deep seated issues overnight but these players do need a big wake up call , general defending and Hegazi showed there's a lack of discipline. We will sleep walk to the end of the season unless the dynamics change soon.

No way in the World is this team going to get promoted. They're already onto their agents or retired  by the looks of it.



Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 06, 2019, 11:06:12 PM
Beginning to think there's a big problem with the leadership of the club. We're being run really poorly atm and fans need answers at least , and changes at best.

A new manager won't change some deep seated issues overnight but these players do need a big wake up call , general defending and Hegazi showed there's a lack of discipline. We will sleep walk to the end of the season unless the dynamics change soon.

No way in the World is this team going to get promoted. They're already onto their agents or retired  by the looks of it.

We need a new broom with the backing of the board to make the clear out but there has to be a clear vision and if that takes a couples of years then we have to stick with it. The quick fix cheap option is not working.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: johnnyg on April 06, 2019, 11:08:10 PM
We've tried the tippy tappy - it didn't work.
We've tried playing out from the back - it hasn't worked.
We've tried playing 3-5-2, 4-3-3, 4-2-4, its arguable none of them have worked consistently.

Do you know what I think we need for the last 10 games ?  Get back to basics, tighten up at the back, start playing a no-nonsense 4-4-2 or preferably a 4-3-2-1.  These last 10 games are like a league within a league, so to speak.  We need someone who is cut out for this... someone who has been there and done it before in this scenario...   i totally understand that he wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea right now, but considering all of the above points I made, I would contend that Sir Gary Megson is an ideal guy to bring in on a short-term contract til the end of the season.  I honestly believe he would get us up.

I posted the above on the 10 March.... and I still adamantly feel its the only way to go for the rest of the season, especially after todays shambles at Milwall.  Jenkins just needs to swallow his pride and do it.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on April 06, 2019, 11:10:44 PM
We need a new broom with the backing of the board to make the clear out but there has to be a clear vision and if that takes a couples of years then we have to stick with it. The quick fix cheap option is not working.

Need to get a board first before we can talk about getting the backing of the board!   
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on April 06, 2019, 11:12:13 PM
I posted the above on the 10 March.... and I still adamantly feel its the only way to go for the rest of the season, especially after todays shambles at Milwall.  Jenkins just needs to swallow his pride and do it.

There’s far too much bad blood between those two for it to happen.  Move on.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Ross on April 07, 2019, 12:39:48 AM
If Megson’s dinosaur football is the answer, then I don’t want to know the question.

The board have well are truly mucked this up. The majority praised them for being decisive in rightly letting Big Dave go. Surely they must have known they needed to pay the big money for the new manager?!

Never has a team entered the playoffs with such a frustrated fanbase and lethargic squad.

Bite the bullet, pay the money, get someone in ffs  ???
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 07, 2019, 06:40:31 AM
The last thing we need is someone to assist Shan . We need someone to take charge of our team, and as supporters, we need to take account of the fact , that some of our players are poor and it will not be easy for any incoming manager to ignite a successful play-off promotion drive.
Prepare for the worst and recruit someone capable of building a team from the bottom up.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Blowee on April 07, 2019, 07:19:15 AM
The last thing we need is someone to assist Shan . We need someone to take charge of our team, and as supporters, we need to take account of the fact , that some of our players are poor and it will not be easy for any incoming manager to ignite a successful play-off promotion drive.
Prepare for the worst and recruit someone capable of building a team from the bottom up.
The silence from the board is deafening on the situation. I honestly can't see what the thinking is other than a fingers crossed approach that JS somehow manages to hold things together enough to get us up via the playoffs. From owners who are clearly very successful in business it seems amazing that there is no long term strategy. Promotion leads to the pot of gold but in which direction is our club going if by some miracle we achieve it?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: tuamigos on April 07, 2019, 08:00:41 AM
Interesting to hear Shan's after game comments yesterday,
'we'll sit down and watch the game back then pick the bones out of it and prepare for the next game'
Almost word for word what Moore used to say.
The current mindset is within the club top to bottom
We haven't improved what we had, we've replaced like for like.
We keep replacing managers yet the infrastructure remains the same.
We need a clear out from top to bottom, for that to happen we need to get owners on board that have a clear and concise vision.
The sooner Lai goes the better and until he does don't expect anything radical to happen anytime soon
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on April 07, 2019, 08:51:02 AM
If we look at it the right way you could argue we are actually lucky right now. There is a manager available that knows how to get teams out of the Championship by playing good football. His name is Slovisa Jokanovic. No need to pay compensation or anything like that he is available NOW. We need to go and get him before another club does either before or at the end of the season.

Timing is everything and here lies a massive opportunity to bring in the ideal candidate and let him prepare for the summer transfer window.

Bring him in and give him two seasons to change the DNA of the club and get us back to the Premier League. IF we somehow manage to go up anyway let him carry on building because we won't stay up, let us come down again to go up stronger.

Perfect man available, perfect time.

This is an golden opportunity that we are going to throw away isn't it?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: frazzle on April 07, 2019, 09:22:54 AM
If we look at it the right way you could argue we are actually lucky right now. There is a manager available that knows how to get teams out of the Championship by playing good football. His name is Slovisa Jokanovic. No need to pay compensation or anything like that he is available NOW. We need to go and get him before another club does either before or at the end of the season.

Timing is everything and here lies a massive opportunity to bring in the ideal candidate and let him prepare for the summer transfer window.

Bring him in and give him two seasons to change the DNA of the club and get us back to the Premier League. IF we somehow manage to go up anyway let him carry on building because we won't stay up, let us come down again to go up stronger.

Perfect man available, perfect time.

This is an golden opportunity that we are going to throw away isn't it?

Totally agree. Sadly he also needs to want to come. With our track record I’m not certain we are as attractive a proposition as we would like.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on April 07, 2019, 09:25:06 AM
Totally agree. Sadly he also needs to want to come. With our track record I’m not certain we are as attractive a proposition as we would like.


Much like players, managers will come if you give them what they want. We need to take the situation by the balls and make sure he comes. That's the difference between winners and losers in life winners make things happen, they make sure they get what they want losers accept situations and bemoan their luck.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Wigmore on April 07, 2019, 09:27:47 AM
If we look at it the right way you could argue we are actually lucky right now. There is a manager available that knows how to get teams out of the Championship by playing good football. His name is Slovisa Jokanovic. No need to pay compensation or anything like that he is available NOW. We need to go and get him before another club does either before or at the end of the season.

Timing is everything and here lies a massive opportunity to bring in the ideal candidate and let him prepare for the summer transfer window.

Bring him in and give him two seasons to change the DNA of the club and get us back to the Premier League. IF we somehow manage to go up anyway let him carry on building because we won't stay up, let us come down again to go up stronger.

Perfect man available, perfect time.

This is an golden opportunity that we are going to throw away isn't it?
Can you remind me how the club he got promoted got on this season whilst he was still at the helm?
How much was spent on that team after he got promotion?
Would you say that the club he got promoted shows any lasting signs of a change of DNA?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on April 07, 2019, 09:33:24 AM
Can you remind me how the club he got promoted got on this season whilst he was still at the helm?
How much was spent on that team after he got promotion?
Would you say that the club he got promoted shows any lasting signs of a change of DNA?

If rumours are to be believed, he had next to no say in last summer’s £100m transfer spend, and didn’t end up with anything like he wanted.  Fulham had next to nobody in the squad with any PL experience.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Mo on April 07, 2019, 09:38:48 AM
If we look at it the right way you could argue we are actually lucky right now. There is a manager available that knows how to get teams out of the Championship by playing good football. His name is Slovisa Jokanovic. No need to pay compensation or anything like that he is available NOW. We need to go and get him before another club does either before or at the end of the season.

Timing is everything and here lies a massive opportunity to bring in the ideal candidate and let him prepare for the summer transfer window.

Bring him in and give him two seasons to change the DNA of the club and get us back to the Premier League. IF we somehow manage to go up anyway let him carry on building because we won't stay up, let us come down again to go up stronger.

Perfect man available, perfect time.

This is an golden opportunity that we are going to throw away isn't it?

The problem with Jokanovic as I see it is that he had quite a number of backroom staff at Fulham so if he wanted to bring them here that’s five staff we potentially could have to pay a promotion bonus to can you see this tight fisted bunch of wet blankets doing that ? add in that the club will expect Shan to be involved and then the overhaul of the squad required with no money to spend I can see why we haven’t appointed anyone.

Our level of ambition under Jenkins  points to Appleton , Neil , or Paul Hurst someone who will be prepared to take the job and inherit Shan .
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Atomic on April 07, 2019, 09:44:27 AM
The problem with Jokanovic as I see it is that he had quite a number of backroom staff at Fulham so if he wanted to bring them here that’s five staff we potentially could have to pay a promotion bonus to can you see this tight fisted bunch of wet blankets doing that ? add in that the club will expect Shan to be involved and then the overhaul of the squad required with no money to spend I can see why we haven’t appointed anyone.

Our level of ambition under Jenkins  points to Appleton , Neil , or Paul Hurst someone who will be prepared to take the job and inherit Shan .


Jenkins has to change his mindset and so does Lai. Will they do that? Probably not which is why we'll miss a golden opportunity.

This is an absolutely massive appointment for Albion it can be the difference between a year or two's re-build and a decade in the wilderness.

We have to get this right and if Lai and Jenkins are too blind, too arrogant or too stupid to understand that they will pay the ultimate price. Unfortunately so will West Bromwich Albion.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 07, 2019, 10:31:26 AM
They have got to act fast and make an appointment because this sitting in limbo is no good for anyone.

Quite frankly, whoever they appoint they need to back because this squad, which is heralded as one of the best in the division, is crap

If they are going to continue with Shan - which will be a disaster - then they need to appoint someone to help him out
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BigFrank20 on April 07, 2019, 10:38:06 AM
Any one else get the feeling that this particular issue has passed some sort of tipping point amongst the fan base?
I see things heating up on this thread and a number of others in not a good way. I often claim to be a 'glass half full' Baggie but even I am becoming a bit frustrated by it all and the lack of a clear direction or leadership
The minutes of the Albion Assembly could well be what finally lights the blue touchpaper (assuming they are not over diluted or heavily redacted) are there not one or two on here who attend could give us a heads up if they are going to be worth waiting for?
COYB and see the travelling hoards down in Brizzle on Tuesday
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 07, 2019, 10:45:10 AM
Don't know if anyone has posted this sound bite from DW:

“I have two markets now where I am absolutely ready to compete when the right opportunity comes around the corner. The set-up has to be right. The owner has to be brave enough to try and bring his club forward and the mindset has to be exciting and really challenging.”

Not us then.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: BAGGIE5 on April 07, 2019, 11:09:48 AM
According to alan nixon.. usually not far off. Alex Neil is number one target. Have to wait till summer.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: baggiejohn on April 07, 2019, 11:12:45 AM
Don't know if anyone has posted this sound bite from DW:

“I have two markets now where I am absolutely ready to compete when the right opportunity comes around the corner. The set-up has to be right. The owner has to be brave enough to try and bring his club forward and the mindset has to be exciting and really challenging.”

Not us then.

It makes no sense to protect an allegedly £200 million investment long term with a rookie Head Coach.
It does make sense to wait for the right Head Coach, if you can be confident that you can attract them.
Following yesterday's result, it's unlikely that we'll now get promoted automatically, & even as part of the play off teams our form is pretty dour. The chances are, we'll remain a Championship club.

DW could be attracted by Fulham, it's unlikely he'll go back to Huddersfield & then it depends who else is relegated.

I would say, we're a pretty attractive proposition for someone of DW's calibre.

Not sure how practical it is, because of contracts, but I agree we do need a rebuild. IMO, that would be an almost unique opportunity for a new H/C to put his mark on WBAFC.

In some ways, I think we could get a more exciting & developing coach as a Championship team than we could in the Prem, limited resources, would tend to attract somebody like Alladyce IMO.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: alex1 on April 07, 2019, 01:00:02 PM
If rumours are to be believed, he had next to no say in last summer’s £100m transfer spend, and didn’t end up with anything like he wanted.  Fulham had next to nobody in the squad with any PL experience.

Fulham's owner may be a millionaire, but doesn't sound like anyone with football insight.
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: overseas baggie on April 07, 2019, 01:12:29 PM
Fulham's owner may be a millionaire, but doesn't sound like anyone with football insight.

Correct.  Wasn’t it his own son in charge of transfer policy?
Title: Re: Next manager...
Post by: Standaman on April 07, 2019, 01:13:55 PM
By the time Moore was sacked automatic promotion was out of the question the 3 wins prior to yesterday steadied the ship and nearly locked up a play-off spot. We will either scrape through the playoffs or be dumped out fairly unceremoniously and I see the latter as being the most likely outcome. I also don't think it makes a blind bit of difference who is in charge of this group of players.

Ultimately regardless of the coach this group of players have let the club down whenever something has got difficult whenever an opportunity to achieve something has presented itself they have spurned it. The squad on paper is one of the better ones in the division but nobody can tell me