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Title: 7 Dec 2018 Albion 2 Aston Villa 2
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 20, 2018, 10:56:58 AM
West Bromwich Albion v Aston Villa

Friday 7th December 2018 20.00pm

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Title: 7 Dec 2018 Albion 2 Aston Villa 2
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 20, 2018, 10:57:41 AM
West Bromwich Albion v Aston Villa

Friday 7th December 2018 20.00pm

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Please keep this board Albion related, there are boards elsewhere in General Sports to discuss other games
Title: 7 Dec 2018 Albion 2 Aston Villa 2
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 20, 2018, 10:58:00 AM
West Bromwich Albion v Aston Villa

Friday 7th December 2018 20.00pm

Please use this board for all your Pre Match Chat. Opposition fans are reminded to abide by the site rules.
Title: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 20, 2018, 10:59:16 AM
West Bromwich Albion v Aston Villa

Friday 7th December 2018 20.00pm

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Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on November 20, 2018, 05:46:54 PM
1,661 tickets left in home areas. With 2 1/2 weeks left till the game it looks certain to be a sell out.

Villa sold out.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on November 22, 2018, 05:41:45 PM
1,489 tickets remaining now, 21,900 plus sold.

There were just over one hundred ticket sales yesterday which has been the norm lately and less than one hundred today which would indicate sales are slowing down. I hope this is going to be a blip and we don't struggle to sell the rest of these tickets as that would be embarrassing against the Villa.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: wbarenno on November 22, 2018, 08:29:38 PM
Only being on sale to members and members only being allowed to buy 2 is becoming a problem in my circle of friends. People want to go but can’t get tickets as the season ticket holders and members we know have used there 2 tickets up.

Surely they could open it up to anyone that’s got a history on the booking system, that  would be a better option
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on November 23, 2018, 05:44:49 PM
Back over a hundred sales today (111 at the time of posting). 1,378 remaining now. Over 22,000 sold.

Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Atomic on November 25, 2018, 02:22:59 PM
After the Blues game things beginning to hot up on social media, this already feels like a big game, the like of which we haven't had for a while. 1,300 tickets left lets snap them up and bury these lot.

Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on November 26, 2018, 09:23:33 AM
1,254 remaining now. Almost 22,150 sold.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on November 26, 2018, 06:44:03 PM
179 sold since 9.15 this morning leaving 1,075 remaining.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on November 27, 2018, 06:28:53 PM
137 tickets sold today leaving 942 tickets remaining.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Albionic on November 28, 2018, 12:54:22 PM
05:45 / 09:23 / 06:44 / 06:29

I'm getting a bit concerned that the random times of your posts may be affecting the accuracy of the data,  ???
May I please respectfully suggest that you get a tad more organised and ensure your data is presented at a pre-defined time.

I remain your greatest fan
Albionic

Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 28, 2018, 02:12:38 PM
137 tickets sold today leaving 942 tickets remaining.
Relax and take a chill pill, mate it'll be a sell out  ;)
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on November 28, 2018, 05:47:05 PM
Albionic I am highly honoured, if not somewhat disturbed, to discover I have a fan. I shall endeavour to post at somewhere between 5.30 and 6.30 pm. Is that good enough for you?

Latest

East Stand         551
Brummie Road   257
West Stand        32
Smethwick           0   


840 Remaining.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on November 29, 2018, 05:33:52 PM
East Stand        458
Brummie Road  212
West Stand        24
Smethwick          0   


694 Remaining.
Title: Commentary
Post by: throstle on November 30, 2018, 09:18:25 AM
Commentary on Talksport 2

https://talksport.com/radio/schedule/2018-12-07/
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on November 30, 2018, 05:51:57 PM
145 sold since last update:


East Stand          355
Brummie Road    176
West Stand          18
Smethwick            0



Remaining        549
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on December 02, 2018, 09:29:05 AM
Sunday morning update:


East Stand            278
Brummie Road      138
West Stand            15
Smethwick              0



Remaining       431   
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: wbarenno on December 02, 2018, 06:31:08 PM
Have they put the restricted view tickets on sale yet ?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 02, 2018, 10:00:27 PM
Pinched from anther thread...
Villa have also conceded several from set pieces haven't they ? Not that we want to rely on those too much.

Pulis should have got something there if that was the case.
As you say...We shouldn't rely on those sort of tactics.
Pressure them and their keeper, I feel would be the best way.
We have a great strike force and we have players who can shoot.
They will not know where our attack will come from...There is no obvious striker (unlike when we had only Rondon).
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on December 03, 2018, 06:53:07 AM
Have they put the restricted view tickets on sale yet ?
No mate
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on December 03, 2018, 07:57:17 AM
Exactly 400 tickets left as of 7.55 Monday morning. With it being the week of the match now I'd expect those tickets to be sold by Wednesday at the latest.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: NJS on December 03, 2018, 10:00:14 AM
I'm not going to the Villa match but coincidentally I tried to renew my membership and was told that membership was suspended until after that match to prevent Villa supporters claiming tickets through Albion membership.  I told the woman I was renewing membership and she confirmed my membership number but she just kept parroting "Membership is suspended until after the Villa game".

As an IT systems designer I reckon it's a poor system that can't distinguish between new and renewed membership.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on December 03, 2018, 12:43:28 PM
I'm not going to the Villa match but coincidentally I tried to renew my membership and was told that membership was suspended until after that match to prevent Villa supporters claiming tickets through Albion membership.  I told the woman I was renewing membership and she confirmed my membership number but she just kept parroting "Membership is suspended until after the Villa game".

As an IT systems designer I reckon it's a poor system that can't distinguish between new and renewed membership.

If she confirmed your membership number then it's pretty obvious they can differentiate between new and renewed. It's also pretty obvious they've decided on a policy and are sticking to it. If you don't require a ticket for the Villa game there's no issue.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: NJS on December 03, 2018, 12:50:39 PM
Quite: no issue - just a comment.  We can either improve or be complacent.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on December 03, 2018, 12:54:26 PM
Quite: no issue - just a comment.  We can either improve or be complacent.

In this instance it's the policy which is the issue as opposed to the system itself.

Failure to renew your membership for the start of the season could also be construed as complacency.

Why on earth did you wait until the run up to the Villa game to renew?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: paulosull on December 03, 2018, 01:15:18 PM
Need a performance like Leeds at home to beat this lot, their playing well and scoring goals Gayle needs to be in first 11 with HRK being dropped
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Albionic on December 03, 2018, 03:20:13 PM
Without the coward in charge we should have a go at them, Darren knows what beating these can do to his reputation, I think he will go out all guns blazing !  Could be a really exciting game!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: McSkittle on December 03, 2018, 06:17:24 PM
I think you're more likely to sit in deep and try and hit us on the break. You did Bristol 4-1 playing like that and Leeds.

Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: royhan on December 03, 2018, 07:05:36 PM
We are unchanged yet again. We can’t keep Gayle on the bench. He’s far too good to be left out of the starting line up.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: frazzle on December 03, 2018, 07:14:21 PM
We are unchanged yet again. We can’t keep Gayle on the bench. He’s far too good to be left out of the starting line up.

Agreed. I think the system would work just as well with JRod our wide and Gayle through the middle. Saying that kanu has been winning a lot of free kicks recently.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggies_24 on December 03, 2018, 07:27:51 PM
Think it’s a mistake going for the same 11 again we didn’t play particularly well at Swansea especially going forward, I’d drop Jrod for Gayle personally maybe bring Barry in to control the midfield also.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 03, 2018, 07:31:39 PM
For Gayle to play Rodriguez or Barnes will need to be left out. Kanu is imperative to the system as the only left footer and the only physical presence.


For me Rodriguez should be sat on the bench.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 03, 2018, 10:43:38 PM
For Gayle to play Rodriguez or Barnes will need to be left out. Kanu is imperative to the system as the only left footer and the only physical presence.


For me Rodriguez should be sat on the bench.
Almost what Keith Andrews was saying after the game
Gayle doesn't work in the middle of the three , I think HRK looked good again tonight, but he will be the one to miss out
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 03, 2018, 10:50:22 PM
For Gayle to play Rodriguez or Barnes will need to be left out. Kanu is imperative to the system as the only left footer and the only physical presence.


For me Rodriguez should be sat on the bench.

Agreed. Rodriguez is offering absolutely nothing, both have been poor but at least Barnes offers a threat.

Against the Villa I would shore the midfield up a bit though, sit Barry in there alongside Livermore and Morrison and push Phillips to the right wing, Gayle through the middle and Barnes from the left
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: BlackCountryVilla on December 03, 2018, 11:16:52 PM
I think we'll score at least two against your defence but I also think you'll score at least two against ours. 2-2 or 3-3
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 03, 2018, 11:19:49 PM
I don't/didn't normally rate HRK, but tonighht showed how much we needed him to hold the ball up. The second half we struggled because there wasn't anyone who could do his job.
Hopefully with his being taken off, he gets a bit of extra rest and comes out all guns firing.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 03, 2018, 11:25:46 PM
Agreed. Rodriguez is offering absolutely nothing, both have been poor but at least Barnes offers a threat.

Against the Villa I would shore the midfield up a bit though, sit Barry in there alongside Livermore and Morrison and push Phillips to the right wing, Gayle through the middle and Barnes from the left

If HRK isn't fit for the game that's what I would be doing. Barry cm and Phillips as the other wide forward. Rodriguez needs dropping for gayle
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 03, 2018, 11:28:13 PM
Well they're out of the woodwork again...


We won't be as profligate as tonight. 5 or 6-2 to us.
Title: Team
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 03, 2018, 11:32:17 PM
If all fit;

              Johnstone

Dawson  tosin Hegazi Gibbs

 Phillips Livermore Morrison

     HRK    Gayle   Barnes

Bench: myhill mears Barry brunt sako Burke Rodriguez

If HRK not fit;

            Johnstone

Dawson tosin Hegazi Gibbs

Livermore Barry Morrison

Phillips   Gayle    Barnes

Bench: myhill mears brunt field Burke sako Rodriguez

Tosin done ok at fullback but only time he faced decent winger at Swansea for the last minutes he was run ragged by montero. I dread him v bolasie.

Rodriguez  not delivering at the moment, Gayle isn't a winger he needs to go through the middle.

Need somebody with some presence up top if HRK ain't fit Phillips has shown he can hold the ball Up and would also be a threat on the break.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on December 03, 2018, 11:57:01 PM
Restricted views on sale now.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on December 04, 2018, 08:01:51 AM
East Stand                 66
Brummie Road          167 (includes newly on sale restricted view seats)
West Stand                  2
Smethwick                   0



Remaining 235.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 04, 2018, 09:11:36 AM
We must win this game, in terms of both getting points on the board and the obvious.

As Jacko says, they are well and truly out the woodwork again, and rightly so as they have appointed a very promising manager who should be sat in our dugout, but we must silence them.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Mister AT on December 04, 2018, 09:38:36 AM
Not as confident as I would have been a couple weeks ago.

They seem to have found their feet under Dean Smith now, which should make for an interesting game.

We could have done with keeping the clean sheet last night, we keep letting in these late goals to lose the clean sheet, it may start to play on the players minds a little when we get into the last 10/15 of games.

Got a feeling it will be a draw, 1-1.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: Mister AT on December 04, 2018, 09:53:58 AM
I'm going to pick the team with the understanding HRK wont be fit enough to start:

Johnstone

Tosin
Dawson
Hegazi
Gibbs

Livermore
Barry
Morrison

Phillips
Gayle
Barnes

With HRK's presence being removed, I think Phillips will need to be pushed further forward, slot Barry in to try to control the middle of the park.

That's the team I would like to see. I cant imagine DM will drop Rodriguez though so we may see the same team as yesterday but with Gayle replacing HRK.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 04, 2018, 09:57:21 AM
I'm going to pick the team with the understanding HRK wont be fit enough to start:

Johnstone

Tosin
Dawson
Hegazi
Gibbs

Livermore
Barry
Morrison

Phillips
Gayle
Barnes

With HRK's presence being removed, I think Phillips will need to be pushed further forward, slot Barry in to try to control the middle of the park.

That's the team I would like to see. I cant imagine DM will drop Rodriguez though so we may see the same team as yesterday but with Gayle replacing HRK.

Nailed it.

Exactly the team we should play.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: Atomic on December 04, 2018, 10:04:49 AM
Interesting to see people suggesting Phillips moving forward in the event of Robson-Kanu being out. I wouldn't disagree with that. HRK clearly picked up an injury last night and with only three days recovery time I wouldn't consider him for selection. So team v Villa:


                                       Johnstone

Adarabioyo           Dawson                Hegazi                       Gibbs

                  Morrison         Livermore             Barry

Phillips                             Rodriguez                                  Barnes



Subs: Myhill, Mears, Brunt, Harper, Gayle, Burke, Hoolahan.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: skyclad99 on December 04, 2018, 10:20:51 AM
I'm going to pick the team with the understanding HRK wont be fit enough to start:

Johnstone

Tosin
Dawson
Hegazi
Gibbs

Livermore
Barry
Morrison

Phillips
Gayle
Barnes

With HRK's presence being removed, I think Phillips will need to be pushed further forward, slot Barry in to try to control the middle of the park.

That's the team I would like to see. I cant imagine DM will drop Rodriguez though so we may see the same team as yesterday but with Gayle replacing HRK.

Spot on, and even if HRK was fully fit I would still go with this.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: McSkittle on December 04, 2018, 10:53:02 AM
We're currently creating 20 plus chances on average a game. The way we are at the moment, teams are needing to put a big score on us to take a point.

I'd be surprised if we didn't get 2 or 3 at least given the way you defend and how good we are going forwards. Whether that's good enough to actually win us the game though is another matter.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: AlanJarvis on December 04, 2018, 11:48:47 AM
I've a ticket for the East Stand Upper which I can't use and so is free to a good home (ie an Albion fan!).
Please email your address to alan.jarvis@tandf.co.uk - first come, first served and I can only reply to the lucky person who wins.

(Note to the Mods  - this post has been approved by admin so only take down after a couple of hours)
Title: Re: Team
Post by: seteefeet on December 04, 2018, 12:12:59 PM
Does no-one else fear a reversion to 352?
I think there is a real possibility with Kanu being injured. Neither Gayle or Rodriguez can play wide so the only way to shoehorn them both in would be to change to either 442 or 352. Dare I say it but it could also coincide with Bartley's return to fitness  :o

Hope it's just me being pessimistic after last night's disappointment but I think it's a genuine possibility. Please tell me I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: baggiebof on December 04, 2018, 01:41:12 PM
I think Phillips will need to be pushed further forward

I do worry about having enough legs in midfield if we did this. I think I'd go:

Johnstone

Adarabioyo
Dawson
Hegazi
Gibbs

Phillips
Livermore
Morrison

Barnes
Gayle
Sako

Myhill, Mears, Brunt, Field or Harper, Hoolahan, Leko, Rodriguez
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 04, 2018, 02:09:44 PM
We're currently creating 20 plus chances on average a game. The way we are at the moment, teams are needing to put a big score on us to take a point.

I'd be surprised if we didn't get 2 or 3 at least given the way you defend and how good we are going forwards. Whether that's good enough to actually win us the game though is another matter.
2-1 us, you'll score but dont think youll get as many as you might think.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: seteefeet on December 04, 2018, 04:16:58 PM
We're currently creating 20 plus chances on average a game. The way we are at the moment, teams are needing to put a big score on us to take a point.

I'd be surprised if we didn't get 2 or 3 at least given the way you defend and how good we are going forwards. Whether that's good enough to actually win us the game though is another matter.
We created 20+ last night and on another day would have scored 5. The Forest game suggests your defence isn't that good either so I think safe to assume it will finish 0-0!
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on December 04, 2018, 05:27:24 PM
East Stand           39
Brummie Road     76
West Stand           0
Smethwick            0



Remaining           115.   Surely these will be gone tomorrow.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: McSkittle on December 04, 2018, 05:47:59 PM
We're hot and cold defensively. Prone to mistakes, but that's this league all over.

4 out of the last 8 have been clean sheets. I think the Forest game was one of those freak once in a generation games. Very entertaining though.

Like with your defending last night for their goal, I just can't see it being 0-0.

Why did you look so leggy last 15 minutes? Surprised at that.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Atomic on December 04, 2018, 05:56:43 PM
I just don't know how to predict this game. Another 5-5 wouldn't be the biggest shock in the world so knowing the way football works it'll probably be 0-0.  ::)

Our defence isn't bad, it really isn't Sam Johnstone has barely had a save to make over four games we just somehow seem to gift every team we play against a goal. Friday would be a great time to stop doing that.

Villa are scoring for fun at the moment so you wouldn't bet against them scoring on Friday and given the fact that I'm used to the jammy fuggers beating us over the years I fully expect they'll do so again.

0-2.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: chipperclark on December 05, 2018, 01:59:51 AM
Got to be 4-4-2

Johnstone

Adar Daws Hegazi Gibbs

Phillips Livermore Mozza Barnes

JRod Gayle
Title: Re: Team
Post by: Mister AT on December 05, 2018, 09:24:09 AM
Does no-one else fear a reversion to 352?
I think there is a real possibility with Kanu being injured. Neither Gayle or Rodriguez can play wide so the only way to shoehorn them both in would be to change to either 442 or 352. Dare I say it but it could also coincide with Bartley's return to fitness  :o

Hope it's just me being pessimistic after last night's disappointment but I think it's a genuine possibility. Please tell me I'm wrong.

If we do that on Friday, then Villa win.

Abraham, Grealish and Bolasie would cause a back 3 too many problems.

Stick the formation we have now, but start Gayle.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: we8seals on December 05, 2018, 11:27:03 AM
Does no-one else fear a reversion to 352?
I think there is a real possibility with Kanu being injured. Neither Gayle or Rodriguez can play wide so the only way to shoehorn them both in would be to change to either 442 or 352. Dare I say it but it could also coincide with Bartley's return to fitness  :o

Hope it's just me being pessimistic after last night's disappointment but I think it's a genuine possibility. Please tell me I'm wrong.

I would not be in the least bit surprised- and I’m not as against it as some. With the proviso that we don’t expect the back three to play like bobby Moore/Frank beckenbauer.  And pass it around on the edge of our own box.  That being said it still does not address the fact we don’t have a left sided centre half nor a right wing back.

I would be gobsmacked if we did not make some changes to both personnel and formation on Friday. My particular concern is the number of times in the last couple of games that Tosin is left isolated at right back and either one on one or often with two opposition players bearing down on him. Bolasi and Grealish could double up down our right and have a field day!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: tommcneill on December 05, 2018, 12:07:07 PM
2-1 Albion

It'll be a great game im sure....just dont want to lose to them...my life will be hell if we dont
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: mulliganstired on December 05, 2018, 12:48:30 PM
Right now I'd settle for a high scoring draw, but I'd prefer a 1-0 off someone's shin in the 94th minute.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: KN22 on December 05, 2018, 12:49:33 PM
If we do that on Friday, then Villa win.

Abraham, Grealish and Bolasie would cause a back 3 too many problems.

Stick the formation we have now, but start Gayle.

Agree fully. And maybe add some younger legs on bench as an option?
Title: Re: Team
Post by: seteefeet on December 05, 2018, 12:54:03 PM
If we do that on Friday, then Villa win.

Abraham, Grealish and Bolasie would cause a back 3 too many problems.

Stick the formation we have now, but start Gayle.
Would you start Gayle through the middle and JRod wide? Think that's better than the other way around but i may be tempted to start Sako wide with Gayle up top.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: KN22 on December 05, 2018, 12:56:55 PM
Yes Gayle through middle with JRod wide. I assume that Sako is not fit or why is he not on bench??
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: KN22 on December 05, 2018, 12:58:08 PM
We can beat them, why be happy with a point? Barcelona or Man City they are not!!
Title: Re: Team
Post by: Mister AT on December 05, 2018, 02:41:13 PM
Would you start Gayle through the middle and JRod wide? Think that's better than the other way around but i may be tempted to start Sako wide with Gayle up top.

Yeah for me Gayle has to play through the middle, hes our best finisher. If he started on Monday and had the chances we missed in the first half, we would have been out of sight.

I also think Jay Rod is better on the wing, if you look back to his Southampton days (when he was close to the England squad), his best form was coming from the wing.

I also think if you pop Jay on the wing, he gives us a bit of physical presence and you can keep Phillips in the middle three.

As someone else has mentioned though, I wouldn't be against throwing Sako in on the wing. (Although I can't see Rodriguez being dropped).
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: SmethDan on December 05, 2018, 03:33:07 PM
We can beat them, why be happy with a point? Barcelona or Man City they are not!!

Overheard a Viler saying the same thing in the pub last night in regards to us.

You're both quite right, into 'em Albion.

COYB and SOTV  8) .
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on December 05, 2018, 05:19:00 PM
East Stand 16
Brummie Road 42
West Stand 8


Leaving 66 remaining. The West Stand had been sold out so I'm presuming the club have put returned tickets on re-sale now. Have to admit I expected a full sell out by now. Will almost certainly go tomorrow.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: mank baggie on December 05, 2018, 05:21:38 PM
I reckon we will beat them on Friday but I won't know any thing about it till I wake up early Saturday morning bursting for water , it my birthday and going out all day, a win would be a great present.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: chipperclark on December 06, 2018, 12:27:10 AM
 :D Phillips and Barnes are your wing men in a 442....Gayle and Jrod up front
Title: Match Officials
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 06, 2018, 06:30:22 AM
Referee: Darren England
Assistant Referee: Matt Foley
Assistant Referee: Nick Greenhalgh
Fourth Official: David Webb
Title: Re: Match Officials
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 06, 2018, 08:05:48 AM
Surprised a premier league referee didn't get this match............i wish him well.
Title: Re: Match Officials
Post by: seteefeet on December 06, 2018, 08:53:47 AM
At least it's not Andre Mariner.
Title: Re: Match Officials
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 06, 2018, 09:43:18 AM
Thankfully he wouldn't, he is a villa fan.
Title: Re: Match Officials
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 06, 2018, 12:11:14 PM
Surprised a premier league referee didn't get this match............i wish him well.

me too I was expecting to see it was Lee Mason or maybe Mike Dean. Still he's been okay when he's reffed us so far this season at Forest and at home to Reading.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on December 06, 2018, 05:17:08 PM
SOLD OUT - Officially.

However, anyone that needs a ticket don'r despair just yet, there are 14 tickets that have been returned currently on sale.

26,000 plus it is then tomorrow.

Would be nice to win in front of a full house for a change.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: gazberg on December 06, 2018, 08:33:22 PM
What a fiasco to get mine. Even as ex season ticket would not let me renew membership.had to get mate who's current status holder to get one today for me. Oh well. COYB!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: AlbionBest on December 07, 2018, 06:41:09 AM
Match Day and can't wait for tonight !

Come On Yo Baggies; we need this win tonight; we need to put those arrogant deluded fishy idiots back in their little box.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: McSkittle on December 07, 2018, 06:50:01 AM
We can beat them, why be happy with a point? Barcelona or Man City they are not!!

Under Smith we're the highest scorers, we have the most passes, most passes completed, the highest average possession and most shots on goal, while averaging the necessary 2 points per game. Can't help but feel we'd be well clear at the top if he'd been in during the summer.

But it is what it is. Must win for us.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: skyclad99 on December 07, 2018, 08:26:59 AM
Under Smith we're the highest scorers, we have the most passes, most passes completed, the highest average possession and most shots on goal, while averaging the necessary 2 points per game. Can't help but feel we'd be well clear at the top if he'd been in during the summer.

But it is what it is. Must win for us.

Good for you
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: seteefeet on December 07, 2018, 08:34:31 AM
Under Smith we're the highest scorers, we have the most passes, most passes completed, the highest average possession and most shots on goal, while averaging the necessary 2 points per game. Can't help but feel we'd be well clear at the top if he'd been in during the summer.

But it is what it is. Must win for us.
If you are that good why is it a must win?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: McSkittle on December 07, 2018, 08:53:15 AM
If you are that good why is it a must win?

As we're playing catch up, it's a side in competition with us, it would be another statement to the league. To absolutely murder Derby and Boro away and then go and beat the Albion would be a sign of intent.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: darbolina on December 07, 2018, 09:15:47 AM
It'll be a good game. There should  be (kiss of death) be goals in it. Villa are the form side out of the two of us but we are dangerous going forward and look tighter since reverting to a 4-5-1.  I'd love a win but can't see past a score draw (2-2) at the moment? A lot will depend on our midfield. I expect Villa to have lots of possession but I think their defence can be got at!

Come on you Baggies!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Atomic on December 07, 2018, 09:24:57 AM
It'll be a good game. There should  be (kiss of death) be goals in it. Villa are the form side out of the two of us but we are dangerous going forward and look tighter since reverting to a 4-5-1.  I'd love a win but can't see past a score draw (2-2) at the moment? A lot will depend on our midfield. I expect Villa to have lots of possession but I think their defence can be got at!

Come on you Baggies!


4-3-3. We do not play 4-5-1.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 07, 2018, 09:29:58 AM
Into these ******** Albion !!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: HamsteadHarry on December 07, 2018, 09:34:29 AM
I'm going for a high scoring draw.It's going to be a good game- the sides are well matched -looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: seteefeet on December 07, 2018, 09:59:47 AM
I just hope their players are as over confident as their fans.
No delusion here, they are a good side but so are we. Could go either way.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Dan87uk on December 07, 2018, 10:45:43 AM
Excited, but also nervous, could go either way.

Share many of the sentiments above and think it will a high scoring game either way (will be boring 0-0 now i'm sure  ::) )
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: collins101 on December 07, 2018, 10:56:11 AM
Very nervous about this one, I'd imagine they'll target our RB as the weak link in our back 4. The pessimist in me says 3-1 Villa....
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 07, 2018, 11:07:29 AM
Dreading this...
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Black Country Pride on December 07, 2018, 11:12:31 AM
Dreading this...

Cannot wait for this  ;D

Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: skyclad99 on December 07, 2018, 11:13:49 AM
Come on chaps, have some faith. We all thought we were going to get mullered by the 'strong favourites' Leeds and look what happened there. Villa are a reasonable side who have found a bit of form. We are not too bad ourselves........

Hopefully Mozza will shut Grealish up and Darren will use his substitutions correctly and at the right time.

Will be a good game

COYB!!!!!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: SmethDan on December 07, 2018, 11:28:54 AM
Some of the comments on this thread.

We're playing Aston Villa not Barcelona.....

..... get a bloody grip, into 'em Albion, COYB and SOTV  8) .
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on December 07, 2018, 12:15:36 PM
3-2, just not sure who to.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: seteefeet on December 07, 2018, 12:24:18 PM
Some of the comments on this thread.

We're playing Aston Villa not Barcelona.....

..... get a bloody grip, into 'em Albion, COYB and SOTV  8) .
Madness ay it?
We should not fear these, Smith's not the feckin messiah.
Darren Moore, however, is the redeemer.
COYB.
We have to beat them anyway, it might be our last chance before they win the European Cup again  :D ;D
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: SmethDan on December 07, 2018, 12:37:06 PM
They've already won the European Cup then?

When was that?

Surprised none of them ever mention it.........  ;D .
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Dan87uk on December 07, 2018, 12:49:43 PM
I'm ready to cringe my way through the horrendous "all go down" song that will inevitably be sung today; makes me angry.

Want to go up this season, not bloody down.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 07, 2018, 12:54:01 PM
There is a definite almost palpable frisson in the air about this particular game this time around, not sure why maybe it is the Friday night, end of the week thing.
As the only Baggie at my very staid place of work there has been some snarling between myself and a couple of the seals here, if there are others with fish breath they keep their alliances to themselves
COYB!!!!!   
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 07, 2018, 01:05:04 PM
I'm ready to cringe my way through the horrendous "all go down" song that will inevitably be sung today; makes me angry.

Want to go up this season, not bloody down.

Oh yes, that delight will be out in full force tonight  :(
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 07, 2018, 01:12:23 PM
I have a bad feeling about this one.

We're playing them at just the wrong time, when Smith's making his presence felt and they're picking up positive results. They've also been allowed to cheat FFP, and they have the manager I wanted in the summer, so I'm guessing a really annoying 0-3.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggies_24 on December 07, 2018, 02:13:10 PM
I have a bad feeling about this one.

We're playing them at just the wrong time, when Smith's making his presence felt and they're picking up positive results. They've also been allowed to cheat FFP, and they have the manager I wanted in the summer, so I'm guessing a really annoying 0-3.

I also have a bad feeling but it’s the championship such an unpredictable league, theve been on an absolute tear so it wouldn’t suprise me if we turned them over 4-0 after they beat borough 3-0 away last weekend, the results are all over the place in this league.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: paulosull on December 07, 2018, 02:15:12 PM
Think there will be goals in this and septic peg predicts they will be scored by a man.  :P
Title: Re: Team
Post by: paulosull on December 07, 2018, 02:19:31 PM
Should stick with 433 with Sako or Burke to replace injured Kanu, Barry to take over from Morrison and Gayle on instead of Rodriguez.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: liverbaggie on December 07, 2018, 02:25:54 PM
Their defence is more suspect than ours of late,ours has tightened up with the formation.
Our strikers and centre backs are more lethal than theirs.
Midfield battle will be crucial.
Were at home our fans roaring us on,well be well up for it tonight 2-0 baggies.
Daws  and Gayle.
What's there to worry about?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: gavinrussell on December 07, 2018, 02:40:01 PM
Controversial but i have a feeling DM will go  4--5 - 1..with Brunty installed left midfield...
Title: Re: Team
Post by: mikehy on December 07, 2018, 02:54:09 PM
Johnstone

Tosin
Dawson
Hegazi
Gibbs

Morrison
Livermore
Barry

Phillips
Gayle
Barnes
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: alex1 on December 07, 2018, 03:31:36 PM
Just wish we had a bit more attacking intent right side. Tosin is not the answer there.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: miggybaggy on December 07, 2018, 03:39:32 PM
Controversial but i have a feeling DM will go  4--5 - 1..with Brunty installed left midfield...

A defeat then in that case.  >:(

I'm just praying Barnes and Phillips will be on fire and we can give them something to worry about.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: dan7heman on December 07, 2018, 03:49:14 PM
Long shot but got off work early.

07470154051 if anyone got a spare for tonight - will pay full price - call me please
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 07, 2018, 04:23:10 PM
Long shot but got off work early.

07470154051 if anyone got a spare for tonight - will pay full price - call me please

email - alan.jarvis@tandf.co.uk

Had one earlier this week, not sure if he got rid of it, was offering it free
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: KN22 on December 07, 2018, 05:01:12 PM
I have a bad feeling about this one.

We're playing them at just the wrong time, when Smith's making his presence felt and they're picking up positive results. They've also been allowed to cheat FFP, and they have the manager I wanted in the summer, so I'm guessing a really annoying 0-3.

Can we please have a little more optimism? :P
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 07, 2018, 05:05:49 PM
If there was one game all season I wish to see Darren prove me wrong about his tactical acumen, it is this one.

Please for the love of God, get it right tonight, Darren.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: timdon on December 07, 2018, 05:06:12 PM
Can we please have a little more optimism? :P
0-2  ;D Will that do you?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: frazzle on December 07, 2018, 05:08:29 PM
If there was one game all season I wish to see Darren prove me wrong about his tactical acumen, it is this one.

Please for the love of God, get it right tonight, Darren.

If we win it might get him a few days relief but you’d be on his back pretty soon after. 
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 07, 2018, 05:26:52 PM
What a day this would be to get the elusive second clean sheet...
Just hope we use our squad/bench better today COME ON YOU BAGGIES
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 07, 2018, 05:30:23 PM
If we win it might get him a few days relief but you’d be on his back pretty soon after.

I just judge it on what I’m watching, no preconceived ideas, and his tactics and decision making has been abysmal all season, what do you want me to say? Oh everything is great despite the fact it’s clearly not based on what I’m watching?

One clean sheet all season. One.
 
Let’s make it two tonight please
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Black Country Pride on December 07, 2018, 05:31:04 PM
COYB. Let's get behind the lads tonight. Whoever wants it more will win.

SOTV
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: frazzle on December 07, 2018, 05:52:42 PM
I just judge it on what I’m watching, no preconceived ideas, and his tactics and decision making has been abysmal all season, what do you want me to say? Oh everything is great despite the fact it’s clearly not based on what I’m watching?

One clean sheet all season. One.
 
Let’s make it two tonight please

Third in the league. Top scorers.

Tactics abysmlal? Changing from 442 to 3412 to beat Norwich and then going on a great run?

Then adapting his tactics to go 433 to go another excellent run of results?

I genuinely have no idea what you are watching
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: KN22 on December 07, 2018, 06:06:56 PM
0-2  ;D Will that do you?

Villa fan in disguise??
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Dexy on December 07, 2018, 06:12:42 PM
I just judge it on what I’m watching, no preconceived ideas, and his tactics and decision making has been abysmal all season, what do you want me to say? Oh everything is great despite the fact it’s clearly not based on what I’m watching?

One clean sheet all season. One.
 
Let’s make it two tonight please
While there has been things I've not agreed with it hasn't been all season , he's got plenty right too.
Seem to remember you being chuffed with the Leeds game after preaching on here about Moore's lack of tactics .
As I say theres things I'm not keen on but lets have a bit of balance please.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: gerry m on December 07, 2018, 06:53:28 PM
Hope we win dont think i could stomach the (Should of gone gone for Dean Smith) merchants!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: kie the baggie on December 07, 2018, 06:58:54 PM
Serious question....If we win tonight, does that make us champions of europe?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: royhan on December 07, 2018, 07:04:41 PM
Gayle and Barry both in the starting line up tonight. Harper, Sako and Burke amongst the subs
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: frazzle on December 07, 2018, 07:09:34 PM
Lots of options from the bench if we fall behind.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: paulosull on December 07, 2018, 07:11:52 PM
Would have preferred Gayle for Rodriguez and either Sako or Burke for kanu
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: costa blanca baggie on December 07, 2018, 07:18:45 PM
Watching this in a bar in Florida. 23c and ice cold Tennants. What could possibly go wrong? I’m as nervous as hell, and would give anything to be there. COYB!!!!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: frazzle on December 07, 2018, 07:23:31 PM
Would have preferred Gayle for Rodriguez and either  for kanu

I’d love to say that they deserve a start but neither has done anything whatsoever to deserve a start. Sako at least has a strong track record behind him. For the record these are the types of players I would love to see on form, but there’s no way they have shown anything to get in the first eleven in such an important game.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Dexy on December 07, 2018, 07:34:24 PM
Morrison a big loss , picked up a knock :(
I'm not a Barry fan yet , impress me tonight !
Title: Re: Team
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 07:34:51 PM
Solid start.
When we are 2 or 3 up...Put Brunt (spit) in, in place of Livermore
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 07:47:12 PM
Please see my link to the Woodman tonight lol
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=22643.0
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: tommcneill on December 07, 2018, 08:00:23 PM
I flipping hate these scum

Get into ‘em Albion
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: paulosull on December 07, 2018, 08:01:05 PM
COYB
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on December 07, 2018, 08:06:23 PM
Redemption day 4-0 Albion I'm buzzing
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: graka on December 07, 2018, 08:14:09 PM
Ffs
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: 17GD on December 07, 2018, 08:14:22 PM
Another clean sheet gone.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: paulosull on December 07, 2018, 08:14:54 PM
What the hell
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on December 07, 2018, 08:15:15 PM
OK 4-1
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on December 07, 2018, 08:16:14 PM
What is a clean sheet?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: graka on December 07, 2018, 08:17:10 PM
Gibbs should get closer quicker. cruel deflection off the statue
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 08:18:42 PM
Unfortuantely expected...They are on the up and we are stagnant in the league.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 08:19:42 PM
Why do we seem top back off in our half?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: graka on December 07, 2018, 08:23:13 PM
In fairness you can see the effect Smith has had on them. Excellent coach
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on December 07, 2018, 08:25:01 PM
Could Sky be a bit more bias? They should mention the European Cup  :-X

We need to keep the pressure on Hutton, he'll crack sooner or later
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 08:26:01 PM
They have the disire to beat us...We need more belief to win.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 08:28:25 PM
As said...No desire..I can see us going under 0-3  >:(
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: 17GD on December 07, 2018, 08:29:38 PM
GAYLE EQUALISER!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: royhan on December 07, 2018, 08:29:51 PM
Gayle 1-1
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 08:29:59 PM
OK...1-3  lol
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on December 07, 2018, 08:30:38 PM
Lovely finish, great effort from Barnes.

Game on!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on December 07, 2018, 08:32:11 PM
Phillips Barnes galye  :-*
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gavinrussell on December 07, 2018, 08:32:42 PM
That's why he starts every game if he is fit...or even half fit !!!😁
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 08:33:15 PM
We have scored TWO !!!
Unfortunately 1 in each goal   :P
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: royhan on December 07, 2018, 08:33:35 PM
I had started typing that Barry and Phillips were asserting their authority in midfield and an equaliser was on the cards when lo and behold Barnes and Gayle worked their magic for the equaliser
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on December 07, 2018, 08:34:43 PM
I've been impressed with livermore this season very
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gavinrussell on December 07, 2018, 08:37:01 PM
After that run by Barnes the odds on Hutton getting a straight red must have shortened considerably...!!!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 08:40:15 PM
Have we got a "self destruct" button?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: graka on December 07, 2018, 08:40:55 PM
Tosin is having another mare. Can we please sign a proper right back in January
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 08:43:38 PM
We need a midfieler who can ...hold up...control ......and distibute to one of our own.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: telford baggie on December 07, 2018, 08:45:32 PM
Have we got a "self destruct" button?
yes the defence frome first game to now it is still woeful,never close down, cant pass and obviously cant be coached
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 08:45:55 PM
They attack 4 or 5..we attack 2 or 3 at the most.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on December 07, 2018, 08:46:13 PM
Great time for us to score again
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Scooby Doo on December 07, 2018, 08:46:29 PM
Have to say John McGinn is arguably the best player I have seen this season. A real cut above this level.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on December 07, 2018, 08:48:25 PM
What a poor cross by Phillips
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: baggiebof on December 07, 2018, 08:49:34 PM
For me, Barry's lack of mobility is killing us. I don't know of the game is too big for Harper or whether Hoolahan has enough to his game defensively to be better options but we'd be stronger without Barry.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 08:49:39 PM
What a poor cross by Phillips
Note to Darren...Teach the players how to pass.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: paulosull on December 07, 2018, 08:51:14 PM
Creaking at the back so has to be all out attack second half you score we score more.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheBrom on December 07, 2018, 08:52:32 PM
Been the better team. More of the same second half and we’ll win this.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on December 07, 2018, 08:52:44 PM
Gayle showing Jrod how it's done. Gayle's was the more difficult chance yet made it look easy.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 07, 2018, 08:53:52 PM
We're dominant here lads. What's going on with some of these posts. Vile extremely lucky goal.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Dexy on December 07, 2018, 08:54:04 PM
Jrod woeful , I'd be tempted to either shove him wide and Gayle in the middle or sub him .
How many more times is that number 4 going to stroll through our middle ? , lucky to be level in ways
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Pie on December 07, 2018, 08:55:40 PM
Such an open game my heart can't take much more.

Knew Phillips would smash that free kick at the end into nowhere, other than that hes played well.

Great goal by us, who knows what Hegazi was thinking for theirs.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 08:55:46 PM
We're dominant here lads. What's going on with some of these posts. Vile extremely lucky goal.
Very !
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: WBArgo on December 07, 2018, 09:00:34 PM
We're dominant here lads. What's going on with some of these posts. Vile extremely lucky goal.
Disagree, they also hit the post and Abraham had a poor 1v1 chance and header. The goal we conceded was unlucky, but as ever should have been closed down more, I noticed they closed down a similar chance from Barnes.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: baggies_24 on December 07, 2018, 09:01:08 PM
A second half like we played against Leeds would be very welcome
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 07, 2018, 09:02:07 PM
Needs to switch jrod and Gayle.
Barry doing ok but he's slower than an oil tanker.

Is he going to last the game? Will we be brave enough to play Harper at the end or will we go brunt?

We just need to not muck about at the back and feed Barnes because he has Hutton on toast.

If I was Dean Smith I would be saying get it to bolasie and run at the kid. Next goal is massive
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: frazzle on December 07, 2018, 09:02:11 PM
For me, Barry's lack of mobility is killing us. I don't know of the game is too big for Harper or whether Hoolahan has enough to his game defensively to be better options but we'd be stronger without Barry.

He is playing really well.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 09:02:58 PM
We can do this.
Just calm down and play our own players...No hoofing nor back passing too much.
Control and Mooove!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on December 07, 2018, 09:06:01 PM
Great build up, shame Gayle didn't bury it.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 09:11:18 PM
Back to hoofing and fouling  >:(
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 09:14:13 PM
Second best in most areas..We should be controlling this game.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: 17GD on December 07, 2018, 09:17:01 PM
1-2
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: royhan on December 07, 2018, 09:17:19 PM
Ffs 1-2
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 09:17:23 PM
We sat back..What did we expect?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on December 07, 2018, 09:18:10 PM
Barry off wes on
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 09:18:18 PM
No one went to him !!!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 09:19:15 PM
We are too open...Close their players down EARLY !!!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: graka on December 07, 2018, 09:20:15 PM
Gibbs again slow to close. He's decent going forward but weak as crap defensively.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 09:20:36 PM
Look at back posts..I did say 3-1 to them...We are half soaked and not organised.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gavinrussell on December 07, 2018, 09:20:43 PM
The basics of defending ...close the opponents down !!!!!!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: caravanc58 on December 07, 2018, 09:22:29 PM
how asleep was Barry then
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 09:22:50 PM
They WANT the ball, our players just want another payday.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 09:23:34 PM
We need grit and determination.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: royhan on December 07, 2018, 09:24:18 PM
Abraham misses the sitter of all sitters
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: 17GD on December 07, 2018, 09:24:38 PM
Said it before, but I'm shocked that we're so poor in defence when our HC was a defender...usually a team is strongest in the area that their coach played. Not quite sure what that says...
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Scooby Doo on December 07, 2018, 09:25:05 PM
Starting Barry in a fixture of this intensity was absolutely suicidal. Great goal mind. Barry has to be taken off, fresh impetus is needed!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: caravanc58 on December 07, 2018, 09:25:38 PM
shocking defending, should be out this game now. Where's the leadership.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 09:26:21 PM
Could be 3-1, 4-1 or 5-1 or even 6-1...we are have no midfield, no defence.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: kirk on December 07, 2018, 09:26:57 PM
Seems to have totally lost focus we are slow and laboured really need to make a change eithe4 Barry or Livermore off before they get a 3rd
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Scooby Doo on December 07, 2018, 09:27:21 PM
I genuinely fail to remember a game where we have been cut to ribbons like we have this evening. Absolute shambles.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on December 07, 2018, 09:28:17 PM
Darren you need to make your changes now Barry 1st then jrod
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: caravanc58 on December 07, 2018, 09:28:47 PM
can't believe what I'm seeing.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 09:28:53 PM
Schoolboy stuff from us.
Seen better in a kids' playground.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: royhan on December 07, 2018, 09:29:17 PM
Brunt coming on
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gavinrussell on December 07, 2018, 09:29:41 PM
Doubt we will see any changes until 5 to go...
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: paulosull on December 07, 2018, 09:30:16 PM
Is this a joke Brunt on for Livermore
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on December 07, 2018, 09:30:43 PM
Brunt for Livermore??????? Am I watching the same game? Surely that should be for Barry?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on December 07, 2018, 09:30:48 PM
For **** sake Darren why the **** take jake off & not barry
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gavinrussell on December 07, 2018, 09:31:28 PM
Serious pace on the bench and he chooses to ignore it again..
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Scooby Doo on December 07, 2018, 09:31:50 PM
Not surprised with Livermore on a yellow if truth be told. We can't get the ball with 11 men let alone 10.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on December 07, 2018, 09:32:14 PM
So 4-4-2 with Brunt and BArry in the middle? WTF
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Dan on December 07, 2018, 09:32:24 PM
We're always going to be up against it with Moore as manager, his decision making is often too bizarre. A lot of his changes just seem pre-telegraphed and his refusal to make them will hurt is even more as the season goes on.

Of all the games we've been behind in this season, how often have we actually tried to make meaningful positive subs? Usually far too late.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 09:37:07 PM
Serious pace on the bench and he chooses to ignore it again..
Was DM a vile fan in the past?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Mister AT on December 07, 2018, 09:37:51 PM
Why is he so stubborn with substitutes?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gavinrussell on December 07, 2018, 09:38:41 PM
Was DM a vile fan in the past?
After that substitution I think he still might be...
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: caravanc58 on December 07, 2018, 09:39:16 PM
makes you wonder how Gibbs ever got in the England team.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Mister AT on December 07, 2018, 09:42:43 PM
Phillips the only player to come out of this game with any credit.

Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 09:42:47 PM
Just watched a chance to pass up field through players...We hoofed instead WHY ?????
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 09:44:02 PM
Our manager and players are being laughed at. Grrr  >:(
Title: Re: In Game Chatj
Post by: royhan on December 07, 2018, 09:44:38 PM
Our game has all gone to pot. Four mins plus injury time to go
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 09:45:20 PM
Fprget the history of mid prem...look out for mid chumpionship with this crew.
Oops Forget and not fprget...Ruddy fat fingers !
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gavinrussell on December 07, 2018, 09:48:44 PM
Burke gets 8 minutes...🤣
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: DutchBaggies on December 07, 2018, 09:49:08 PM
Darren Moore is way out of his depth, and we should have snagged Smith when we had the chance. 
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 09:49:27 PM
Each and every player has to take control and not just hope the other players can help them out.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: 17GD on December 07, 2018, 09:49:35 PM
Rodriguez!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gavinrussell on December 07, 2018, 09:51:45 PM
The hand of Rod....!!!!🤣
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: royhan on December 07, 2018, 09:52:02 PM
Rodriguez’s hand of God :P
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 07, 2018, 09:54:42 PM
V lucky 2-2
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gavinrussell on December 07, 2018, 09:55:01 PM
2 points out of 6 at home...😐
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: mulliganstired on December 07, 2018, 09:55:12 PM
Love it
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: SC_Baggie on December 07, 2018, 09:55:32 PM
Good point. Hold the head high tonight.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 07, 2018, 09:55:50 PM
Very unlucky tonight.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on December 07, 2018, 09:55:57 PM
Got away with that.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on December 07, 2018, 09:56:59 PM
"Unlucky"? Villa had by far the better chances and more of them.  It was like the brentford game but on the other foot regarding chances.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gavinrussell on December 07, 2018, 09:57:26 PM
Stole a point...2 out of 6 at home is poor...
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 07, 2018, 09:57:30 PM
Got to give them a hand in the end to get the points.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: wba_1996 on December 07, 2018, 10:00:01 PM
Clueless Moore gets out of jail again, abysmal substitutions yet again, no chance we're keeping a clean sheet this season. Villa will get in the automatics if they replace that sh*t keeper in January. If we'd appointed Smith in the summer we'd be top by miles.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: geoff on December 07, 2018, 10:00:57 PM
A point is better than nowt but shouldn't have got that if Abrahams had put away one of his many chances
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: WBArgo on December 07, 2018, 10:01:01 PM
Very lucky to get something, Abraham could have had a hat-trick and Rodriguez's goal was a handball.

Oh well, at least it was against the Villa  ;D
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on December 07, 2018, 10:02:00 PM
Poor tonight especially second half, Moore's decision making for substitions is beyond baffling. Happy to get a point against that lot but over the fffing moon that it was the hand of jrod  :D ;D :P
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frazzle on December 07, 2018, 10:02:34 PM
Stole a point...2 out of 6 at home is poor...

But 6 points from two away games was pretty good wasn’t it.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Scooby Doo on December 07, 2018, 10:03:29 PM
Our inconsistency is absolutely mind blowing. I don't blame Moore completely for that either. There were times tonight when it looked like we had dopplegangers out there.

What I don't like is the selection of Barry. The failure to attempt to address being steam rollered with any tactical changes or personnel changes until far too late.


Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: koren on December 07, 2018, 10:03:51 PM
The same problem at the back, we give them too much space around the box.
Luckily J-Rod got a point for us at last. ;D
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: caravanc58 on December 07, 2018, 10:04:14 PM
I didn't think villa were anything but average, we face an uphill task to get promoted simply because we are krap in defence.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: tommcneill on December 07, 2018, 10:04:15 PM
Fair result I thought

Villa are hugely improved under Smith

Barnes and Gayle quiet tonight even though the 2 combined to score

I really enjoyed that game I gotta be honest, great advert for the championship

Should have beat Brentford

Not happy but not unhappy

Hand of Rod

McGinn is a decent player
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Dexy on December 07, 2018, 10:04:20 PM
Typical derby , our weak areas shown up tonight .
Old , slow midfielders trying to be played in an open fashion , suicide and can only hope some mobile midfieders arrive soon.
Yes Villa are decent going forward but as with the better teams if you let them shoot in good positions they will score , we don't seem learn this lesson do we ? Foster isn't in goal anymore.
Frustrating really just as wasting Gayle out wide , biggest joke was Jrod getting the goal as I thought he was woeful .
Never want to lose to them , pleased we didn't but this isn't good enough. As for the suicide tip tapping about in our own area......again we don't learn.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggiebof on December 07, 2018, 10:04:53 PM
Good game between two good sides I thought. Adarabioyo played well and got tight to Bolasie whilst I felt that Barry and his lack of mobility really hindered us.

Moore seems to have settled on this 433 where Rodriguez drops in to help the midfield when we haven't got the ball whilst leaving the wingers high. If we had a left footed Barnes equivalent on the right we'd be a real force, need to be on the lookout in January.

Shame we didn't get the 3 points against Brentford as now we are 6 points behind the 2 point per game average required to seal automatic promotion. 3 additions in the window, right back, central midfield and left footed forward player and we can really make an assault on top 2.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gavinrussell on December 07, 2018, 10:06:57 PM
But 6 points from two away games was pretty good wasn’t it.
And 6 points from these 2 games would have put us top...
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frazzle on December 07, 2018, 10:07:10 PM
Excellent game and an excellent point against the form team in the league. They had plenty of chances and played well yet their goals were a deflection and a superb strike.

Thought we competed well and kept going showing the fighting spirit you need in this league.

Subbing Livermore made little sense to me and perhaps we can put any talk of Brunt and Burke to bed. Brunt was poor and Burke did nothing. Thought Barry was excellent. Picking out a purple of points where he showed a lack of pace does not characterise his performance. I’d still see Morrison start when he can. 
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frazzle on December 07, 2018, 10:08:54 PM
And 6 points from these 2 games would have put us top...

So you expect us to win 6 games in a row and because we haven’t, against the form team in the league and a very capable Brentford side, let alone a run that includes Leeds, it’s unacceptable?

Laughable.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gavinrussell on December 07, 2018, 10:10:14 PM
So you expect us to win 6 games in a row and because we haven’t, against the form team in the league and a very capable Brentford side, let alone a run that includes Leeds, it’s unacceptable?

Laughable.
Yes I'm afraid you are...
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 07, 2018, 10:10:15 PM
About time we had some luck against that lot. The hand of rod as it shall go down in folklore.

We were pretty poor overall in that game we had a spell before and just after half time but not much else.

Subs were baffling. Barry and brunt axis is even more of a regression than brunt and Livermore.barry did well first hour than he needed switching. Bar his handball at the end jrod was abysmal we need Gayle through the middle.

Burke was terrible when he came on and we were largely at sea in the second half, if Abraham could finish we would have been put to bed.

We haven't lost and we fought back twice and the way we equalised will have that lot moaning for quite a while so can't argue with that.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frazzle on December 07, 2018, 10:12:07 PM
Yes I'm afraid you are...

So to clarify, you expected us to win every single one of the last six fixtures?  Just want to check. Please, please reply.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 07, 2018, 10:12:39 PM
Missed Mozza and HRK badly but still took a worldie and a huge deflection to get anything from us. Brunt superb when he came on as was Barnes throughout. Shame Gayle couldn't make more of his chances.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: KYA on December 07, 2018, 10:13:28 PM
 Hate this match so only tuned in at half time and with about 10 minutes to go so am relieved  we didn't lose to the scum onwards to the next match.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gavinrussell on December 07, 2018, 10:14:36 PM
I stated that 6 points would have put us top in reply to your 6 points from the last 2 games...i never said I expected us to win the games it was just a statement.. ..i also didn't put a derogatory comment like your "laughable"..
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: darbolina on December 07, 2018, 10:15:10 PM
2-2 a good result considering our performance.

Lets crack on now
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: wodenson46 on December 07, 2018, 10:15:23 PM
We had pace, or pace and  power and young talent with fresh legs on the bench. None of it used. We got 2 now slow old guys and got a lucky draw. I thought  villa got away with some pretty nasty tackles early on when we looked as if we were going to break out, but got the deserved break with the handball. I have tried to stop criticising refs but I do wish the same rules were made to apply to both sides. As each villa player got tackled their first move was a dive and a screech like virgin in a brothel. This meant that we were never allowed to challenge for the ball with any purpose and had to let them run. Stlll they scored a lucky goal and a very good one and so did we. Missed goal chances and general errors apart they should have won. But so should we against Brentford.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frazzle on December 07, 2018, 10:16:18 PM
About time we had some luck against that lot. The hand of rod as it shall go down in folklore.

We were pretty poor overall in that game we had a spell before and just after half time but not much else.

Subs were baffling. Barry and brunt axis is even more of a regression than brunt and Livermore.barry did well first hour than he needed switching. Bar his handball at the end jrod was abysmal we need Gayle through the middle.

Burke was terrible when he came on and we were largely at sea in the second half, if Abraham could finish we would have been put to bed.

We haven't lost and we fought back twice and the way we equalised will have that lot moaning for quite a while so can't argue with that.

Agree with much of what you say. I thought JRod was better than you suggest but he had a heavy touch which robbed him of a great chance in the second half which was frustrating. I agree Gayle should have played in the centre as he often left Tosin with little option out wide.

We do need a future in centre midfield and we know that three of the four centre midfielders aren’t the future. We also need a right back as despite Tosins obvious talent, he’s not a right back.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: caravanc58 on December 07, 2018, 10:17:37 PM
Missed Mozza and HRK badly but still took a worldie and a huge deflection to get anything from us. Brunt superb when he came on as was Barnes throughout. Shame Gayle couldn't make more of his chances.
really liked his corner at the death that went sailing over everybody.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on December 07, 2018, 10:18:59 PM
Jrod did nothing all game, was like playing with a man down. I'd go with HRK playing deeper and Gayle through the middle.

Brunt and Burke offered nothing when they came on.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frazzle on December 07, 2018, 10:19:52 PM
I stated that 6 points would have put us top in reply to your 6 points from the last 2 games...i never said I expected us to win the games it was just a statement.. ..i also didn't put a derogatory comment like your "laughable"..

I said the comment was laughable whereas you got personal so just take a breath. You clearly expected us to win these two fixtures. This is the Championship. It’s an incredibly difficult league. We will do well to be promoted.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frazzle on December 07, 2018, 10:21:37 PM
We had pace, or pace and  power and young talent with fresh legs on the bench. None of it used. We got 2 now slow old guys and got a lucky draw. I thought  villa got away with some pretty nasty tackles early on when we looked as if we were going to break out, but got the deserved break with the handball. I have tried to stop criticising refs but I do wish the same rules were made to apply to both sides. As each villa player got tackled their first move was a dive and a screech like virgin in a brothel. This meant that we were never allowed to challenge for the ball with any purpose and had to let them run. Stlll they scored a lucky goal and a very good one and so did we. Missed goal chances and general errors apart they should have won. But so should we against Brentford.

He put Burke on!!!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gavinrussell on December 07, 2018, 10:22:08 PM
Putting words in my mouth again...its your problem if you misinterpreted my message...breathing easy thank you.. and after supporting the club for 45 years I don't expect anything I can assure you..
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 07, 2018, 10:22:15 PM
Awful performance, got away with murder. We have no tactics.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frazzle on December 07, 2018, 10:22:36 PM
Missed Mozza and HRK badly but still took a worldie and a huge deflection to get anything from us. Brunt superb when he came on as was Barnes throughout. Shame Gayle couldn't make more of his chances.

Brunt did nothing superb at all. Not one great pass or tackle. Nothing. But he did give the ball away. He is not an impact sub.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frazzle on December 07, 2018, 10:23:46 PM
Putting words in my mouth again...its your problem if you misinterpreted my message...breathing easy thank you.. and after supporting the club for 45 years I don't expect anything I can assure you..

Ok. I’m sorry. So what was your point? What did you actually mean?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: halifax_baggie on December 07, 2018, 10:24:49 PM
Jrod did nothing all game, was like playing with a man down. I'd go with HRK playing deeper and Gayle through the middle.

Brunt and Burke offered nothing when they came on.

Good shout, hope we get a proper right back, left footed central defender, dynamic midfielder, striker in January window, perhaps funded by Jrod depature to Burnley :-*
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Mikkyk on December 07, 2018, 10:26:51 PM
Missed Morrison massively, got away with it.

"Hand of Rod" (coined on the 74)
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gavinrussell on December 07, 2018, 10:29:15 PM
No apologies needed....my point was that although we are taking good points away from home and looking a better side..we have let points slip at home...today was always going to be tough but we should have put Brentford away ..would never suggest the the Championship is a cake walk there are many sides arguably bigger than us who have been here for many years who can vouch for that..
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: caravanc58 on December 07, 2018, 10:32:24 PM
Barnes ripped Hutton apart 1st half so Smith switched him to the other side, Moore should've done the same with Barnes to keep the pressure on Hutton.we lost the central driving runs from Phillips second half and pumped more high balls into the box that's not really our strength even though we scored from a cross. handball but I couldn't give a toss against them tossers.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frazzle on December 07, 2018, 10:32:47 PM
No apologies needed....my point was that although we are taking good points away from home and looking a better side..we have let points slip at home...today was always going to be tough but we should have put Brentford away ..would never suggest the the Championship is a cake walk there are many sides arguably bigger than us who have been here for many years who can vouch for that..

The knee jerk criticism is what gets to me. The big picture in my view is that we are doing really well.

Pulis killed us and Pardew buried us. Moore is reviving us.

We may well not go up but we are making a decent attempt and pride is restored.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: telford baggie on December 07, 2018, 10:33:06 PM
Brunt did nothing superb at all. Not one great pass or tackle. Nothing. But he did give the ball away. He is not an impact sub.
hes not an impact sub or a first team player offers nothing at all, time to move him on and his big wages, very lucky point again get alot of luck really Darren Moore still out of his depth but sure he will say the right things again in the press
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adder on December 07, 2018, 10:37:00 PM
We are clearly lacking a younger / peak age forward thinking midfielder. Morrison has been decent but no better than that. We didn't miss him massively tonight. Barry was decent but no better than that. Brunt not on for long, one decent ball but not much else. Superb - No.

Hate to say it but Hutton's block from Barnes's shot was good defending and possibly a turning point. We tired again which may be expected as we are not a young team and 2 days less to recover/prepare. Overall not a bad point, but a lucky equaliser.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: silver surfer on December 07, 2018, 10:38:56 PM
It's not often we get lucky, especially against them. They're in great form and we did well to respond twice, I'll happily take a jammy draw to deny them a win.
Fair result overall. Their best player was a defender, Hutton, he make some brilliant blocks even though he was at fault for our first goal.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on December 07, 2018, 10:40:54 PM
The knee jerk criticism is what gets to me. The big picture in my view is that we are doing really well.

Pulis killed us and Pardew buried us. Moore is reviving us.

We may well not go up but we are making a decent attempt and pride is restored.

It's anything but knee jerk, we are suffering with the same issues we have seen ALL season.

We SHOULD be making a decent attempt at coming back up considering the quality of players we have.  What's frustrating is writing off of well deserved criticism with things like "well, we are doing alright" or "we are top scorers".  We have clear faults in the way we set up and play and they are not  being addressed.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: hunsletbaggie on December 07, 2018, 10:42:03 PM
 I agree Villa should have put the game to bed but they let us back in it last 10 minutes and they were hanging on I think we got what we deserved in the end.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on December 07, 2018, 10:44:45 PM
Stole a point...2 out of 6 at home is poor...

Or to pick out the positives - unbeaten in the last two home games (actually the last three)?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gazberg on December 07, 2018, 10:44:52 PM
Villa were really average but we were so poor that we made them look great. Baffling tactics and subs again but somehow we scrape a point. As an Albion fan I'll go to bed happy tonight inspite of the negatives.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on December 07, 2018, 10:46:17 PM
Clueless Moore gets out of jail again, abysmal substitutions yet again, no chance we're keeping a clean sheet this season. Villa will get in the automatics if they replace that sh*t keeper in January. If we'd appointed Smith in the summer we'd be top by miles.

Yeah, because everybody knows that football works like that...?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: costa blanca baggie on December 07, 2018, 10:47:42 PM
Soooo happy!!! They must hurt so much. Anyone who who was there...you were a part of history. Forget tactics. It was a game bigger than that. To equalize the way we did makes it so much sweeter. SOTV 😂
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on December 07, 2018, 10:49:19 PM
And 6 points from these 2 games would have put us top...

But third in the table is not bad at this stage - considering some believe that we have a “clueless” manager in charge...?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on December 07, 2018, 10:50:53 PM
Given up on Moore changing it from bench when his tactical nouse is to replace Livermore with Brunt. Defending has been laughable this season and that's on his back, having no body in midfield to control play is concerning so I hope we address this in January.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 07, 2018, 10:53:11 PM
Barnes ripped Hutton apart 1st half so Smith switched him to the other side, Moore should've done the same with Barnes to keep the pressure on Hutton.we lost the central driving runs from Phillips second half and pumped more high balls into the box that's not really our strength even though we scored from a cross. handball but I couldn't give a toss against them tossers.

This is the key point. We stopped feeding Barnes and starting going long ball. We could have switched him to the other wing as he was terrorising Hutton. 8 points from 12 or 11 from 15 either way it's not bad. The Brentford result is the kicker
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gavinrussell on December 07, 2018, 10:56:30 PM
But third in the table is not bad at this stage - considering some believe that we have a “clueless” manager in charge...?
W
I certainly am not qualified to label any manager as clueless...
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Tatnam baggie on December 07, 2018, 10:59:34 PM
Don’t understand some of the digs at Barry. I thought he was excellent in the first half. Some of his passing was sublime, reads the game better than most of our midfielders. Yeah agree he hasn’t got the legs for 90 minutes, he did well!  Jayrod wasn’t that bad either, put himself about. My main worry is Johnson, he never gets anywhere to any shots from outside the area all season, really not convinced with him Anyway happy with a point,&move on. Lot more winnable games coming up. SOTV. Boing boing
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: costa blanca baggie on December 07, 2018, 11:05:54 PM
I take it the celebrators are celebrating.  :P
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 07, 2018, 11:08:50 PM
I think Barry showed today his passing is still the best we have at the club, did well for the first hour until tiredness came in, Livermore was knackered but Brunt not the answer, the midfield needs legs in this league, Derby showed it and so did Villa tonight.

Rodriguez should have made way for Burke or even Sako after Burke had came on, yes Rodriguez got the equaliser but I bet 99% of us would have taken him off by then. 

We got a point where we deserved nothing. My thoughts on this season still not changed, at this stage we will still be lucky to scrape the play-offs. January needs investment in the middle of the pitch.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Black Country Pride on December 07, 2018, 11:09:34 PM
Baffled by some of comments on here. Thought we were the better side for the first 35 minutes but lost control at the end of the half. We played well in the second too until the wonder goal knocked the stuffing out of us. The lads looked like they were running on adrenaline and just seemed shattered. Yes, the Vile - clearly a good side who will be right up there come May - should have put us away afterwards and we (FOR ONCE) got lucky against them at the end but  we were worth the point. Some positive signs.

On an aside, I thoroughly enjoyed our modified version of the Liquidator and it was nice to hear the return of the Albion roar, albeit sporadically. As always, our support was just different class to the Vilers. Cringeworthy.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Oldbury24 on December 07, 2018, 11:15:21 PM
Villa were really average but we were so poor that we made them look great. Baffling tactics and subs again but somehow we scrape a point. As an Albion fan I'll go to bed happy tonight inspite of the negatives.

Thought Villa looked a decent team out there tonight, tidy and full of running in midfield with pace and some skill out wide....If they let Smith strengthen in January i have them as a good bet for top 2.   We were ok but the better teams in this division highlight our weaknesses. 

Yes Barry has good vision and touch and I only wish he was 5 years younger as there are times when players just run past him.  Livermore struggled at times and looks twice the player with Mozza alongside him....we did miss Jimmy tonight for that ability to break forward.   I like Tosin and he is a decent defender but he is a centre back and offers no out ball.   

A few other things.....DM gave Burke a few minutes and he did himself no favours at all.   Showed no real drive or hunger.....he should watch how Gayle closes and chases players down.   Not writing him off on that 10 minutes but he needs to go out on loan and play football and we need Sakho match fit asap.

Brunty did ok in his cameo, NOT a CM but did his best to drive us forward the last 5 mins.

Barnes was inconsistent tonight but seems to conjure up one piece of magic per game, we need to enjoy him whilst we have him.

Hand of Jrod 🤣 loved that goal.....much better finisher with his arm than his feet.   

On the whole i don't think Darren Moore is far off considering the weaknesses in the squad he inherited.  Still much to do and lessons to learn, but if your going to have some luck.....have it against the seals 😁

COYB. SOTV.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: CL3MO on December 07, 2018, 11:16:24 PM
First half I thought we were alright.

Second half, I didn't really understand how we were trying to play. Playing it out from the back and then hoofing it to Gayle? Villa look like they have a set way of playing and it may have been due to being 2-1 up, but they should have been out of sight before our goal at the end.

I'm only repeating what many, many others are saying here but we desperately NEED legs in the middle of the pitch. What we would do for a player like John McGinn.

Play offs at best at the moment with the current squad.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: costa blanca baggie on December 07, 2018, 11:26:49 PM
I’m on my own in Florida celebrating cheating the vile, and all I read here is tactics. Where is the joy of celebration? We cheated a goal. Lap it up.  ;D
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Oldbury24 on December 07, 2018, 11:31:42 PM
I’m on my own in Florida celebrating cheating the vile, and all I read here is tactics. Where is the joy of celebration? We cheated a goal. Lap it up.  ;D

Don't worry....We laughed all the way home from the ground 😂 seeing the  poor little seals pointing desperately at a blank tv screen will stay long in the memory.  As if we were about to show them the goal!

And my youngest now believes me when I say that you never know what will happen until that whistle blows!!  Happy Baggy tonight.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BlackCountryVilla on December 07, 2018, 11:46:21 PM
Even the most ardent Albion fan will admit that 'goal' papered over the cracks massively for you lot. If Abraham has his shooting boots on, we win that 4-1. Even if he doesn't we win 2-1 with a linesman who can see.

We looked head and shoulders above you lot second half. Our midfield ran the show and our team looks much more balanced.

We will be well ahead of you come May. Smith is a million times better than Moore and you'll regret not getting him in the summer.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Oldbury24 on December 07, 2018, 11:54:42 PM
Even the most ardent Albion fan will admit that 'goal' papered over the cracks massively for you lot. If Abraham has his shooting boots on, we win that 4-1. Even if he doesn't we win 2-1 with a linesman who can see.

We looked head and shoulders above you lot second half. Our midfield ran the show and our team looks much more balanced.


We will be well ahead of you come May. Smith is a million times better than Moore and you'll regret not getting him in the summer.

I know....that's what made the equaliser so enjoyable 😁

We could have had Smith, and i think you have a cracking manager, but no regrets we showed loyalty and took a punt on an Albion legend and one of our own.  He's doing ok.

Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: albion59 on December 07, 2018, 11:57:27 PM
Baffled by some of comments on here. Thought we were the better side for the first 35 minutes but lost control at the end of the half. We played well in the second too until the wonder goal knocked the stuffing out of us. The lads looked like they were running on adrenaline and just seemed shattered. Yes, the Vile - clearly a good side who will be right up there come May - should have put us away afterwards and we (FOR ONCE) got lucky against them at the end but  we were worth the point. Some positive signs.

On an aside, I thoroughly enjoyed our modified version of the Liquidator and it was nice to hear the return of the Albion roar, albeit sporadically. As always, our support was just different class to the Vilers. Cringeworthy.
Barry was the best player on the park in an Albion shirt. Brunt waste of a substitution as usual Gayle not in the game and the goalkeeper is a joke. I hate the Villa with a passion but they were the better team tonight and we got away with it.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on December 08, 2018, 12:00:22 AM
Well where do we start?

Team selection was interesting. Where was Morrison? I stated previously I would've rested him in one of the previous two game to have him available and sharp tonight but Darren didn't and for whatever reason Barry came in tonight and did OK. Kanu out and DM decided to go with Gayle on the right, didn't work for me despite the goal.

From first minute to last except a ten minute spell at the start of the second half Villa looked the better team. They seemed a bit sharper, a yard quicker and seemed to want it more which I'm sure wasn't the case. I think it's a case of them getting us at the right time when we seem a bit leggy and a congested schedule and us getting them at the wrong time when they are on a good run under a new manager and with two days extra rest in them.

It wasn't a good night for us. Barnes's pass for the opening goal and Gayle's finish were top drawer, other than that not a lot offered. Phillips tried his heart out and Barnes had a spell at the start of the second half where he really looked like he fancied it but other than that pretty lacklustre.

I need to see the goals we conceded again before commenting on the defending but clearly once again we're not defending well enough.

The equaliser - HAND OF ROD!  ;D

Look, we got lucky but down the years when have we ever had any sort of luck like that? It doesn't happen for us, never has, well tonight, for once, that massive lucky break went our way, we'll bloody well take it.

Overall, Villa deserved the win and had they taken their chances they'd have got it. I'm sure we will be a bit better for the rest we can now have till the next game.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: wba_1996 on December 08, 2018, 12:01:23 AM
I’m on my own in Florida celebrating cheating the vile, and all I read here is tactics. Where is the joy of celebration? We cheated a goal. Lap it up.  ;D

I hate Villa as much as anyone else, but the fact that we've had to resort to cheating because we cannot change the game through tactics/substitutions is hardly worth celebrating.

I'll celebrate when we keep a clean sheet, or if Moore ever makes a substitution that has a positive effect on the game.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 08, 2018, 12:08:32 AM
I hate Villa as much as anyone else, but the fact that we've had to resort to cheating because we cannot change the game through tactics/substitutions is hardly worth celebrating.

I'll celebrate when we keep a clean sheet, or if Moore ever makes a substitution that has a positive effect on the game.
He did away at Sheffield weds?
However, I'm struggling to get some decisions, Barry was ok, like Morrison against Brentford needed changing after an hour
And I don't understand the order he uses people, Sakho was good vs Blackburn...then gone, then tonghtbfrom nowhere Burke
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Oldbury24 on December 08, 2018, 12:18:55 AM
I hate Villa as much as anyone else, but the fact that we've had to resort to cheating because we cannot change the game through tactics/substitutions is hardly worth celebrating.

I'll celebrate when we keep a clean sheet, or if Moore ever makes a substitution that has a positive effect on the game.

Wow, football Grinch. I'd cheat every minute of every day if it guaranteed wins over the Vile and Dingles.  Clean sheet at some point would be nice though.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: mr multivac on December 08, 2018, 12:20:08 AM
Thought Gibbs should of been quicker out to
Elgazi for both goals ,for a player of his supposed quality
We should be seeing more from him he shouldn’t be given the runaround by any winger in this division
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Baggie79 on December 08, 2018, 12:21:15 AM
Square Pegs, Square Pegs, Square Pegs, Square Pegs, Square Pegs, Square Pegs, Square Pegs & Round Holes. Nothing has changed even though everyone else can see it. If Brunt is the answer what is the question?

Defenders who cant pass being asked to play like Barcelona, our best goalscorer on the wing. I give up!!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: mulliganstired on December 08, 2018, 12:25:25 AM
I hate Villa as much as anyone else, but the fact that we've had to resort to cheating because we cannot change the game through tactics/substitutions is hardly worth celebrating.

I'll celebrate when we keep a clean sheet, or if Moore ever makes a substitution that has a positive effect on the game.
Cheating? It looked ok on first time of viewing at proper speed, and  both officials had obscured views. If Nat Lofthouse had scored that nobody  would have complained.  Hard cheese on the Villa.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 08, 2018, 12:28:28 AM
Didn't deserve it but who cares! Bet those who left in the 80th minute feel daft...
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on December 08, 2018, 01:15:15 AM
Attendance was officially 26,513. Now here is the surprising bit. Villa fans numbered 2,617 which is some 120 short of the number Leeds brought to the Hawthorns last month. Not sure how that is the case but those are the official figures.

23,896 sees the biggest home attendance of the season beating the turnout vs Bolton on the opening day by 514.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: tlms-p23 on December 08, 2018, 01:16:39 AM
He scores with his hand, he scores with his haaaaand, Jay Rodriguez, he scores with his hand!

It wasn’t us at our fluent best but I think we all recognise Villa are a new proposition under Smith and the division’s in form side. I thought it was a very even game and a point isn’t a bad result. Let’s see how we feel about the result after the rest of the weekend’s games.

If Leeds, Pulisball FC or Norwich drop points then a draw at home to villa Isn’t the end of the world. COYB ahead of Sheff Utd next weekend!!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: alex1 on December 08, 2018, 01:23:32 AM
Only saw the highlights, but from what I saw Villa went for it and created far more clear cut chances. The big positive for us was having the character to come back at the end. I thought Gayle's goal was brilliant except the class player he is made it look simple. Barry has still got a damned good pass in him. JRod showed a lot of guts to go in where it hurt  at the end, and sometimes you only get the lucky rub of the green if you go in where it hurts. On balance, think we can be satisfied with the point, although we must keep in touch with the top 2.   
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 08, 2018, 01:45:02 AM
Anyone who can read a game of football can see why it went the way it did, they got a lucky opening goal from a huge deflection and were able to create several chances as we chased an equaliser. Then they re-took the lead with a worldie and low and behold created chances while we chased a second equaliser. At nil nil we dominated the game. At 1-1 we dominated the game. We'll win the league, they'll have to settle for play offs.


We're by far the better side.


Oh and just for McSkittle:    Hand of Rod  ;D
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on December 08, 2018, 02:06:31 AM
Anyone who can read a game of football can see why it went the way it did, they got a lucky opening goal from a huge deflection and were able to create several chances as we chased an equaliser. Then they re-took the lead with a worldie and low and behold created chances while we chased a second equaliser. At nil nil we dominated the game. At 1-1 we dominated the game. We'll win the league, they'll have to settle for play offs.


We're by far the better side.


Oh and just for McSkittle:    Hand of Rod  ;D



I know you are a wind up merchant so not going to bite particularly but "we dominated the game"  ;D. Come on, no-one is buying that. The opening ten minutes of the second half yes other than that not to anyone that has eyes.

Hand of Rod. The club shop seriously need to get t-shirts printed.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: McSkittle on December 08, 2018, 02:51:17 AM
Anyone who can read a game of football can see why it went the way it did, they got a lucky opening goal from a huge deflection and were able to create several chances as we chased an equaliser. Then they re-took the lead with a worldie and low and behold created chances while we chased a second equaliser. At nil nil we dominated the game. At 1-1 we dominated the game. We'll win the league, they'll have to settle for play offs.


We're by far the better side.


Oh and just for McSkittle:    Hand of Rod  ;D

You dominated the first 5 minutes of the second half, that was about it.

We were the better side, created the only clear cut chances. Poor finishing and two handballs cost us.

Disappointing to drop 2 points, but it could prove a useful point should we beat Stoke and Leeds.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 08, 2018, 04:18:35 AM
You dominated the first 5 minutes of the second half, that was about it.

We were the better side, created the only clear cut chances. Poor finishing and two handballs cost us.

Disappointing to drop 2 points, but it could prove a useful point should we beat Stoke and Leeds.


Okay mate see you in February... Well if you're still in the top half.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: kie the baggie on December 08, 2018, 07:09:42 AM
You dominated the first 5 minutes of the second half, that was about it.

We were the better side, created the only clear cut chances. Poor finishing and two handballs cost us.

Disappointing to drop 2 points, but it could prove a useful point should we beat Stoke and Leeds.
No mate we dominated until you scored, then we lost our way a little, we pushed men forward leaving you with too much space, pretty much the same as leeds did with us, difference is we had the cutting edge in that game and you didn't last night. To be honest I was expecting a lot more from Villa considering the run you had been on, I think if hutton didnt make that goal saving block on around 50 mins we would have cruised it and we would have capitalised on the space you would of left with barnes Jrod and gale on the break
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: skyclad99 on December 08, 2018, 07:35:56 AM
Even the most ardent Albion fan will admit that 'goal' papered over the cracks massively for you lot. If Abraham has his shooting boots on, we win that 4-1. Even if he doesn't we win 2-1 with a linesman who can see.

We looked head and shoulders above you lot second half. Our midfield ran the show and our team looks much more balanced.

We will be well ahead of you come May. Smith is a million times better than Moore and you'll regret not getting him in the summer.

You read a post like that and you wonder why everybody hates you as a club.

You need to remember where you were a few months ago mate....
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggiebof on December 08, 2018, 07:47:13 AM
Barry was the best player on the park in an Albion shirt.

A few people have said this but I read it totally differently. I thought that his lack of mobility and legs to get near the opposition midfield really hurt us; maybe harsh but I thought he should have got out for the first goal rather than wait for Gibbs, who clearly was of the same mindset as he hesitated. May also be harsh but he got easily beaten by Grealish for the second who gave the ball to El Ghazi. Granted Barry did play the ball well through the lines on a couple of occasions.

I think that fact that both he and Livermore were in there meant we lost something. I think going forward it needs to be one of them for that deeper central role, we don't get as much from midfield with them both in there.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: HamsteadHarry on December 08, 2018, 08:13:38 AM
Henry,Maradona, J.Rod -What a fantasy forward line- What a basketball team!   ;) I thought it was well matched overall.Some of Barry's long passing was excellent, exposing Hutton  most of the first half.Still a lot of room for improvement.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggiejohn on December 08, 2018, 08:28:46 AM
Cheating? It looked ok on first time of viewing at proper speed, and  both officials had obscured views. If Nat Lofthouse had scored that nobody  would have complained.  Hard cheese on the Villa.

I've just looked at it on the sky highlights, there was no cheating, it hit JR on the back of his hand as it went in. There was absolutely no intent.
We've all seen goals disallowed for that, but we've also seen them given.
Luck was on our side last night, but cheating! no.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggiejohn on December 08, 2018, 08:33:31 AM
Even the most ardent Albion fan will admit that 'goal' papered over the cracks massively for you lot. If Abraham has his shooting boots on, we win that 4-1. Even if he doesn't we win 2-1 with a linesman who can see.

We looked head and shoulders above you lot second half. Our midfield ran the show and our team looks much more balanced.

We will be well ahead of you come May. Smith is a million times better than Moore and you'll regret not getting him in the summer.

You've hit a bit of form,  but don't get too carried away, football tends to bite back.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: koren on December 08, 2018, 08:41:39 AM
Barry did his job when he play alongside Livermore.
But after Brunt came on, Barry played a little bit higher on the pitch, then his his lack of mobility was exposed.
Should be replaced by Hoolahan or Harper for the last 10 mins.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adder on December 08, 2018, 08:50:19 AM
I think there have been signs of more fluidity in our play in the last two games, but the lack of speed and legs in midfield is an obvious limitation.

Also,the thing that worries me is that whatever anyone says or what Puel may have hinted at, Barnes could leave in Jan. Phillips could easily get injured. These two are the only ones who are tried, trusted and who have both quality AND pace and provide 90% of our penetration. The thought of us without one of them is worrying, without both of them...well just doesn't bare thinking about.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: McSkittle on December 08, 2018, 08:55:38 AM
No mate we dominated until you scored, then we lost our way a little, we pushed men forward leaving you with too much space, pretty much the same as leeds did with us, difference is we had the cutting edge in that game and you didn't last night. To be honest I was expecting a lot more from Villa considering the run you had been on, I think if hutton didnt make that goal saving block on around 50 mins we would have cruised it and we would have capitalised on the space you would of left with barnes Jrod and gale on the break

Like the other chap says, if Abraham turns up, it's 4-1. They weren't difficult chances, but they were missed nonetheless

Bar your first goal, did you create anything clear cut? Gayle skied a header second half, but it was huff and puff and you quickly ran out of ideas.

I draw a lot of confidence from how we play. Derby, Forest, Boro, Albion and Small Heath. All were or are above us, but we've been comfortably better than all of them, with the chances we had, should have won them all too and scored 17. This is supposed to be our difficult run too. We'll strengthen in January and be fine.

Best signing you could make in January would be a manager. Bizarre to shoehorn your best forward in out wide.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: hunsletbaggie on December 08, 2018, 09:07:02 AM
Like the other chap says, if Abraham turns up, it's 4-1. They weren't difficult chances, but they were missed nonetheless

Bar your first goal, did you create anything clear cut? Gayle skied a header second half, but it was huff and puff and you quickly ran out of ideas.

I draw a lot of confidence from how we play. Derby, Forest, Boro, Albion and Small Heath. All were or are above us, but we've been comfortably better than all of them, with the chances we had, should have won them all too and scored 17. This is supposed to be our difficult run too. We'll strengthen in January and be fine.

Best signing you could make in January would be a manager. Bizarre to shoehorn your best forward in out wide.
Mate he missed one sitter you let us back in the game after we scored there only looked like one team who was going to go on and win the game.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: 1954 on December 08, 2018, 09:40:03 AM
Like the other chap says, if Abraham turns up, it's 4-1. They weren't difficult chances, but they were missed nonetheless

Bar your first goal, did you create anything clear cut? Gayle skied a header second half, but it was huff and puff and you quickly ran out of ideas.

I draw a lot of confidence from how we play. Derby, Forest, Boro, Albion and Small Heath. All were or are above us, but we've been comfortably better than all of them, with the chances we had, should have won them all too and scored 17. This is supposed to be our difficult run too. We'll strengthen in January and be fine.

And how do you think the game would have gone if you hadn't have fluked the first goal? I'll tell you. We score first, you chase the game & we destroy you on the counter, similar to our Leeds game. Significant that while the game was level we were the dominant team & looking the most likely  including the last 5 minutes when our guys were dead on their feet. You should say a huge thanks to Sky playing against a team who had less than 4 days rest whilst Vile had more than 6!
Agree on the manager front. Pity you didn't get Henry.

Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 08, 2018, 09:43:19 AM
I've just looked at it on the sky highlights, there was no cheating, it hit JR on the back of his hand as it went in. There was absolutely no intent.
We've all seen goals disallowed for that, but we've also seen them given.
Luck was on our side last night, but cheating! no.

Agreed he did not move his hand, completely accidental and rightly the goal stood.

As for the chances the villa missed, they also scored two very lucky goals. One took two defections and was an o
g. the other was a rocket which could easily have gone wide.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: tommcneill on December 08, 2018, 09:48:15 AM
Villa were not the better team!

You played well but you were not the better team

We were not really at the races today and still looked a cut above the majority of the match...
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 08, 2018, 09:49:58 AM
I'm still trying to process last night. Anyone have any idea what we were trying to do tactically during the game? There is no instruction from the top in terms of a style of play, or a way in which we set up. We are now reverting back to the joyous playing it out from the back with defenders who are not comfortable on the ball whilst our manager stands there clapping his hands and whistling, before going down the tunnel whilst we were 2-1 down and in need of inspiration for his matchly dump.

The Villa, on the other hand, were well set up and would have won it comfortably if Abraham hadn't spurned a couple of great chances. I envy them, they have a manager of some note who has some semblance of an idea what he is doing, ours just sticks 11 players on the pitch and hopes Gayle and Barnes fire.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Dexy on December 08, 2018, 09:55:33 AM
I'm still trying to process last night. Anyone have any idea what we were trying to do tactically during the game? There is no instruction from the top in terms of a style of play, or a way in which we set up. We are now reverting back to the joyous playing it out from the back with defenders who are not comfortable on the ball whilst our manager stands there clapping his hands and whistling, before going down the tunnel whilst we were 2-1 down and in need of inspiration for his matchly dump.

The Villa, on the other hand, were well set up and would have won it comfortably if Abraham hadn't spurned a couple of great chances. I envy them, they have a manager of some note who has some semblance of an idea what he is doing, ours just sticks 11 players on the pitch and hopes Gayle and Barnes fire.
Agree on the awful tip tapping about but clearly our plan was to work the flanks which we do pretty well . There is a plan but right now we don't have the right players to do it , Villa on the other hand are loaded with attacking players as seen last night .
Why we seem to have started floating balls in both last night and the Brentford game is beyond me though , theres no Taylor / Dichio / Bednar . We don't have one forward who can head a ball.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on December 08, 2018, 10:07:22 AM
Don't know how I feel this morning! Taking the last week into perspective, conceding a late goal against Brentford hence dropping points (mightily peed off by the inability to keep a clean sheet again) then, the outright delight of nailing a point off the Vile our nearest & dearest (for some admittedly) with a decidedly dodgy looking goal!
However, in the cold light of day, points wise we'd have been better off beating Brentford & losing to the Vile (did I really just say that?)

Still I suppose taking points off them in a promotion sense was probably required & we didnt lose to the b@st@rds
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: McSkittle on December 08, 2018, 10:16:23 AM
Villa were not the better team!

You played well but you were not the better team

We were not really at the races today and still looked a cut above the majority of the match...

If that's what you genuinely think, then fair enough. You're wrong like. But all about opinions, even unjustifiable ones.

To the other chap. Abraham missed a free header first half and of course the tap in. He missed 3 or 4 chances.

You don't score them, you leave yourself open. That you didn't create another goal scoring opportunity of any more though shows we did it well the other way. To control the ball with your hand and then palm it in...

That's two World Cup 86 goals I've seen in two derbies of late.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: silver surfer on December 08, 2018, 10:29:47 AM
Jrod didn't palm it in. Have another look on the highlights. He challenges the keeper for the cross probably with his eyes closed, he then puts his hands out to save his fall which a natural reaction. This isn't a Maradona incident.
Villas goals were from outside the box, one a massive deflection the other a great strike.
The best 2 moves of the game resulted in Albion goals.
For the miss of the season see Jrod v Brentford.
It was a really good match fair play to both sides.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: kc56wba on December 08, 2018, 10:34:53 AM
We had a bit of luck last night and it's about time. I offered the HAND of friendship last night to a vile fan after the game but he told me to f**k off.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Dexy on December 08, 2018, 10:36:29 AM
When you think we lost Morrison in the morning ,lost  HRK as the hold up , playing a expensive Villa side under the new manager honeymoon , two games in 4 days .....I have to give credit to the players to keep going until the death and be happy with the point.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on December 08, 2018, 10:36:49 AM
Who is coaching the defence? Last night they were reverting back to start of season trying to over elaborate with their passing and in second half hoofing balls forward. Closing down was terrible and that contributed to goals, under this manager it is becoming painfully obvious that we will have no control of game through midfield and as for his substitions they will not influence game.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on December 08, 2018, 11:00:56 AM
Who is coaching the defence? Last night they were reverting back to start of season trying to over elaborate with their passing and in second half hoofing balls forward. Closing down was terrible and that contributed to goals, under this manager it is becoming painfully obvious that we will have no control of game through midfield and as for his substitions they will not influence game.


The first goal certainly was. OK it was a lucky deflection but Gibbs simply has to show more desire to close the shot down. Perfectly avoidable goal. The second goal, their fella makes a run on the overlap which Gibbs makes a move towards covering (correctly) and their player hits a worldie. I'd hold my hands up on the second goal. Maybe a slight question over Sam Johnstone? Every time someone shoots from outside the box it seems to go in. As a goalkeeper Johnstone should be concerned about the amount of goals he's conceding from long range.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggiejohn on December 08, 2018, 11:04:40 AM
Who is coaching the defence? Last night they were reverting back to start of season trying to over elaborate with their passing and in second half hoofing balls forward. Closing down was terrible and that contributed to goals, under this manager it is becoming painfully obvious that we will have no control of game through midfield and as for his substitions they will not influence game.

IMO the Brunt substitution was to get accurate passes to our wide players, with Berk brought on to play wide.
The intention being, to stretch their back line across the pitch, giving us space in the middle.
I believe it worked.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frazzle on December 08, 2018, 11:23:16 AM
Thought Burke was borderline lazy when he came on.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: The Tank on December 08, 2018, 11:26:46 AM
From the Kick off we had possession of the ball for all of ten seconds. An almighty diagonal hoof out to the right wing goes flying out for a Villa throw.  That seemed to set the pattern for our passing style for the match. We just do not keep possession for any length of time.
Crosses, free kicks and corners are, mostly, either too short to the first defender or too long past the entire field. Not just this match but in most of our games  It all looks so amateur.
Other teams, luckily are often just as crap at doing this so it balances out but we shouldn't have to rely on the crappiness of other teams.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 08, 2018, 11:46:04 AM
Thought we looked the better side until they scored then they had about 10 minutes , then we were back in control, deservedly got the equaliser and then controlled the second half until they scored again, then they had 15 mins or so when they could have scored a couple more but didn't before we got back in control again.

Yes we got lucky with the equaliser but it wasn't deliberate handball, just that the ball hit his hand. Presumably that's what the assistant told the ref and that's why the goal stood. I was amazed that the ref allowed it considering how much he'd given them in the previous 90 mins.

Yes Villa had some good chances when we were trying to get back into the game but they didn't create that much in reality and most of the shots on target they had were like back passes.

I thought Barnes had yet another below par game, showed great tenacity for the Gayle goal but didn't do much else and needs to learn that sometimes passing is better than shooting. I would have taken him off for Sako but equally Rodriguez could have been subbed.

McGinn looked good for them once Barry tired and Grealish was his usual self falling over at every opportunity. Tosin had a tough time with Bolasie and  Al Ghazi hit a worldie for the second but apart from that I thought they looked ordinary.

We didn't deserve to win the game but neither did they so a draw was a fair result.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: McSkittle on December 08, 2018, 11:48:50 AM
The first half was even fare, although we created more. I thought we dominated the second half by and large, which seems to be reflected elsewhere.

I think you're deluding yourself to be honest. Unless you're chumming the water. You'll need a bigger boat.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Windmill Baggy on December 08, 2018, 12:13:06 PM
The first half was even fare, although we created more. I thought we dominated the second half by and large, which seems to be reflected elsewhere.

I think you're deluding yourself to be honest. Unless you're chumming the water. You'll need a bigger boat.

I thought we were edged the first half, even after the flukey first goal had changed the balance of the play.

In the 2nd we were on top until the worldie of a second put you ahead. After that we were poor and you were on top for 15+ minutes and we were lucky to not go further behind with Abraham missing a sitter. In the last 10 minutes we showed plenty of resilience which ended in us getting a flukey goal of our own.

Your best player was possibly Hutton. The difference between his performance at RB and Adaraboiyo's was stark and was IMO largely down to experience. Hutton makes all the right decisions while Adaraboiyo sometimes makes poor ones, cheaply giving away possession etc. He is still learning.

Make no mistake though, we did not play well last night, especially in the second half, a definite off-day, which considering we only had 4 days rest in a way is not that surprising.

I think their is little between the two teams and expect both to be challenging for the top 2 spots towards the end of the season.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: hunsletbaggie on December 08, 2018, 12:30:14 PM
If that's what you genuinely think, then fair enough. You're wrong like. But all about opinions, even unjustifiable ones.

To the other chap. Abraham missed a free header first half and of course the tap in. He missed 3 or 4 chances.

You don't score them, you leave yourself open. That you didn't create another goal scoring opportunity of any more though shows we did it well the other way. To control the ball with your hand and then palm it in...

That's two World Cup 86 goals I've seen in two derbies of late.
i am sure you didn't watch the same game gayle had a very good chance just before we scored our second when he shot when he could have squared it for Barnes and when it was 2-2 we had the chance that fell to Gibbs in the box and it smacked it straight  at your keeper.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: KN22 on December 08, 2018, 12:34:35 PM
Villa impressed me to be fair. Would love to have a midfielder like McGinn. We kept going and was pleased about that. We move the ball from midfield too slowly for me and this was a key difference between the two sides.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 08, 2018, 12:36:47 PM
Thought Villa showed what having a good mobile midfield can do - McGinn and Grealish kept control of the tempo. I'd love McGinn in our side - great footballer with a good engine. If we had a midfield that had some legs and was not bordering a pensioners home then we'd be beating teams far more comfortably. We have to address that issue. Those sides with energy and bite have more often than not caused us problems


We was obviously lucky with the equaliser but having been soaked in piss ten minutes prior by those fvcking imbeciles, I am not at all bothered.

Not sure Gayle and Rodriguez in the same team with this formation works to be honest - we lost Gayle's best instincts and Rodriguez is often anonymous.

Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 08, 2018, 12:39:57 PM
Villa impressed me to be fair. Would love to have a midfielder like McGinn. We kept going and was pleased about that. We move the ball from midfield too slowly for me and this was a key difference between the two sides.

It helps with McGinn and Grealish that they are both grest ball carriers. They can pick up possession, carry it 30 yards and play between the lines.

With a combination of Barry, Brunt and Livermore we do not have that luxary. Morrison and Phillps are without doubt our better pairing in the middle.

Our midfield is slow and ponderous because they do not have the energy to get around the pitch - instead we dilly dally in possession and allow the opposition time to get organised

We really have to adddress the midfield issue in January
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on December 08, 2018, 12:44:29 PM
We need to go all out for Bradley Dack in Jan window.
Title: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: Foster#1 on December 08, 2018, 12:53:09 PM
Wasn't allowed in by the stewards apparently ?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 08, 2018, 12:58:09 PM
We need to go all out for Bradley Dack in Jan window.

Agree - we're not going to pay the price for him and our token bet in the summer was to pacify the supporters

The problems are a bit deeper however, although Dack would be a great addition.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on December 08, 2018, 01:02:35 PM
We need to go all out for Bradley Dack in Jan window.
not going to spend f all excuses are already doing the rounds still have overdraft, loans and extensions of short term contracts will be our model.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: McSkittle on December 08, 2018, 01:14:53 PM
I don't think you created anything clear cut and quickly ran out of ideas. We were the better side, didn't win, it happens.

I guess you can take comfort from showing resilience and coming back, albeit with a huge dollop of luck and officiating incompetence. We can take positives from a third tough away game where we've been the better side.

I imagine we both wish we'd have appointed Smith in the summer.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: tommcneill on December 08, 2018, 01:26:40 PM
If that's what you genuinely think, then fair enough. You're wrong like. But all about opinions, even unjustifiable ones.

To the other chap. Abraham missed a free header first half and of course the tap in. He missed 3 or 4 chances.

You don't score them, you leave yourself open. That you didn't create another goal scoring opportunity of any more though shows we did it well the other way. To control the ball with your hand and then palm it in...

That's two World Cup 86 goals I've seen in two derbies of late.

I do genuinely think that and no I’m not wrong...it’s not an opinion it’s a fact

Sorry to burst your bubble
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: tommcneill on December 08, 2018, 01:28:36 PM
I don't think you created anything clear cut and quickly ran out of ideas. We were the better side, didn't win, it happens.

I guess you can take comfort from showing resilience and coming back, albeit with a huge dollop of luck and officiating incompetence. We can take positives from a third tough away game where we've been the better side.

I imagine we both wish we'd have appointed Smith in the summer.

Funny as!!

You were not the better side...doesn’t matter how many times you say it

On the balance of play is say the draw was a fair result but we were nowhere near our best yet you lot were at your very best..still couldn’t beat us
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: tommcneill on December 08, 2018, 01:39:51 PM
Stewards are complete bells

Why wouldnt they let that in??
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: McSkittle on December 08, 2018, 02:18:37 PM
The majority of your own supporters seem to be able to acknowledge we were the better side. The neutrals seem to have acknowledged it as well. We played the better more fluid football, as one of your number put it. We created by far and away the better chances and any other day we'd win 3 or 4-1 fairly comfortably. As it happens a double handball gets you out of jail.

You'd resorted to long diagonal balls and huffed and puffed without forcing much of note after 50 minutes.

I had you down as automatic candidates, but having seen you twice in a week, unless you get a manager in who knows that Gayle belongs down the middle and that your midfield isn't a retirement home, I think it's Play Offs at best.

You can dress your opinions as what you like or delude yourself as to what happened as much as you like. It's not me you're lying to, so crack on.

See you in February.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on December 08, 2018, 02:22:06 PM
The majority of your own supporters seem to be able to acknowledge we were the better side. The neutrals seem to have acknowledged it as well. We played the better more fluid football, as one of your number put it. We created by far and away the better chances and any other day we'd win 3 or 4-1 fairly comfortably. As it happens a double handball gets you out of jail.

You'd resorted to long diagonal balls and huffed and puffed without forcing much of note after 50 minutes.

I had you down as automatic candidates, but having seen you twice in a week, unless you get a manager in who knows that Gayle belongs down the middle and that your midfield isn't a retirement home, I think it's Play Offs at best.

You can dress your opinions as what you like or delude yourself as to what happened as much as you like. It's not me you're lying to, so crack on.

See you in February.


To be fair you haven't seen the best of us. We look a little jaded at the moment, we've had a tough schedule and not rotated players. You got us at the right time. You really should have beat us but you didn't.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: McSkittle on December 08, 2018, 02:25:44 PM
No that's a fair point. You look more short of ideas this week, I acknowledge that's not necessarily systemic. But reading the comments and the hearing the moans and groans in the crowd last night, I don't think everybody is convinced about Moore.

Our schedule has been on paper very difficult;

Derby away
Blues home
Forest home
Boro away
Albion away
Stoke home
Leeds home

Yet we've been the better side in all of them so far. Two more from the run to go.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on December 08, 2018, 03:28:02 PM
Thought Burke was borderline lazy when he came on.
needs a kick up the pants if you ask me, Jimmy lay one on him.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Albion79 on December 08, 2018, 03:40:26 PM
Have to say i thought Villa were comfortably the better side.

In the formation we played, it was apparent on Monday when HRK went off at half time and Mozza faded early second half, that those two are crucial to that setup.

Last night we tried to do all our attacking down the left, it worked to a degree, but it was also predictable, we didnt seem to have another creative option, Phillips (who i think has been our player of the season so far) looks far better in centre midfield when he has Mozza alongside him.

Both sides had spells of possession, the difference was i felt Villa had more purpose during their spells, we had a couple of Gayle chances but we didnt really create anything of note, they on the other hand, quite often assisted by us defending poorly had several good chances.

I thought they used the ball better than us and got up the pitch quicker (our first goal we did to be fair) McGinn looks a class act for them and is exactly what we need, a box to box midfielder with some bite who can pass too, i think they brought him for £3m in the summer, we should of been all of over that.

The worry would be out the top ten teams, we have only beat two, Leeds and Norwich and when we beat Norwich first away game, they were nowhere near the team they are now. I had a feeling start of the season we may be flat track bullies and i think we are to an extent, however we are in the playoffs and if we can stay around there til January then would hope the squad is freshened up.

Are the likes of Hoolahan, Field, Burke going to play? If not let them go. Do we really need Barry, Brunt, Livermore and Field to all do the sitting role in midfield? If not sell one of them even if its unpopular. (Livermore seems to sit more and more nowadays, he is built like a unit and i think its affecting his mobility) its okay saying you need a big squad for the championship but we dont really use a fair few of them.

As for Villa i was quite impressed, they looked a good side and if they carry on as they are they will coast the league. However they are still in the honeymoon period, whoever came in after Bruce had a free hit, all Villa fans wanted was some better football and entertainment, they have now got that and the results have come too.

The test will come when they have a blip, they may not like it but they are and have always been very fickle (most modern fans are now, Albion included) but Villa are some of the worst, they do have an expectancy, in some ways its justified because they are a traditional big club, however football has changed and in modern day terms, they arent one of the big boys.

Will also be a test for Dean Smith, he is a good manager, however previous to Villa he has managed smaller clubs who have never really challenged or expected to challenge for anything, at Villa now, the better they do, the more is expected, will be interesting to see how he copes with the pressure of going for a full season of expectation.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on December 08, 2018, 03:47:24 PM
Have to say i thought Villa were comfortably the better side.

In the formation we played, it was apparent on Monday when HRK went off at half time and Mozza faded early second half, that those two are crucial to that setup.

Last night we tried to do all our attacking down the left, it worked to a degree, but it was also predictable, we didnt seem to have another creative option, Phillips (who i think has been our player of the season so far) looks far better in centre midfield when he has Mozza alongside him.

Both sides had spells of possession, the difference was i felt Villa had more purpose during their spells, we had a couple of Gayle chances but we didnt really create anything of note, they on the other hand, quite often assisted by us defending poorly had several good chances.

I thought they used the ball better than us and got up the pitch quicker (our first goal we did to be fair) McGinn looks a class act for them and is exactly what we need, a box to box midfielder with some bite who can pass too, i think they brought him for £3m in the summer, we should of been all of over that.

The worry would be out the top ten teams, we have only beat two, Leeds and Norwich and when we beat Norwich first away game, they were nowhere near the team they are now. I had a feeling start of the season we may be flat track bullies and i think we are to an extent, however we are in the playoffs and if we can stay around there til January then would hope the squad is freshened up.

Are the likes of Hoolahan, Field, Burke going to play? If not let them go. Do we really need Barry, Brunt, Livermore and Field to all do the sitting role in midfield? If not sell one of them even if its unpopular. (Livermore seems to sit more and more nowadays, he is built like a unit and i think its affecting his mobility) its okay saying you need a big squad for the championship but we dont really use a fair few of them.

As for Villa i was quite impressed, they looked a good side and if they carry on as they are they will coast the league. However they are still in the honeymoon period, whoever came in after Bruce had a free hit, all Villa fans wanted was some better football and entertainment, they have now got that and the results have come too.

The test will come when they have a blip, they may not like it but they are and have always been very fickle (most modern fans are now, Albion included) but Villa are some of the worst, they do have an expectancy, in some ways its justified because they are a traditional big club, however football has changed and in modern day terms, they arent one of the big boys.

Will also be a test for Dean Smith, he is a good manager, however previous to Villa he has managed smaller clubs who have never really challenged or expected to challenge for anything, at Villa now, the better they do, the more is expected, will be interesting to see how he copes with the pressure of going for a full season of expectation.


Post of the year that. Fantastic post. Not certain about the flat track bully theory but other than that absolutely spot on.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gerry m on December 08, 2018, 03:50:22 PM
When you think we lost Morrison in the morning ,lost  HRK as the hold up , playing a expensive Villa side under the new manager honeymoon , two games in 4 days .....I have to give credit to the players to keep going until the death and be happy with the point.

Yep Played Monday then Friday!. A lot of people seem to have forgotten that. People on here saying they wanted Smith instead of DM, sounded a right crybaby after the game.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on December 08, 2018, 03:52:50 PM
Thought Gibbs should of been quicker out to
Elgazi for both goals ,for a player of his supposed quality
We should be seeing more from him he shouldn’t be given the runaround by any winger in this division

Would need to see the second again but the first he wasn't at fault.  He had a man overlapping so any kind of closing down would have let him in with an easy pass.  It should have been Hegazi closing down there as we had more than enough defenders spare. He was too slow to see that Gibbs was dealing with two players.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on December 08, 2018, 03:58:17 PM
Would need to see the second again but the first he wasn't at fault.  He had a man overlapping so any kind of closing down would have let him in with an easy pass.  It should have been Hegazi closing down there as we had more than enough defenders spare. He was too slow to see that Gibbs was dealing with two players.


Wrong. The man outside was not the immediate threat, you protect the centre of the goal at all times. Gibbs should've been out to block the shot. If the ball goes wide so be it you deal with the cross if you have to.
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: GREGMT on December 08, 2018, 04:17:32 PM
Whoever made this flag is a bit daft IMO. 

If he had done his research then Cyrille’s stint at Villa was no more than a footnote in his career.

Yet the flag had a massive Villa bias.

Is an Albion fan going to make a blue and white flag with Tony Morley’s picture on it at Villa Park, February?  No I thought not.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 08, 2018, 04:18:25 PM
I thought villa were comfortably the better side last night, we can get better with the right personnel in the middle of the park which now we've changed defensively seems to be our biggest issue. Crying out for some legs in there but I have my doubts it will be addressed in January and expect the starting XI will see the same names we see now shuffled around and the bench might see the likes of Mears and Hoolahan replaced with similar.

Villa have done well recently so the new manager bounce is having an effect unlike us last season when Pardew came in and nothing changed. The keeper is suspect and Hutton got schooled by a young kid, I was amazed he didn't bring Barnes down in the build up to Gayle's goal, defensively although they have kept a few clean sheets lately they are not all that. I don't see the hype about Grealish as i've never seen him do much other than whine to the ref and sit on the floor blabbing like a little babby as he did again last night. They can bang on about us having 2 loanees stealing the show but their own loan player Tammy missed two sitters last night which would have possibly sealed the game for them and his recent goals have had a major impact on their results so both in the same boat.

The handball was not deliberate as is obvious from the video of it, the ball hit Rodriguez not the other way round so despite their cheat claims they are wrong, yes it should have been disallowed but thats down to the officials not the player, comparisons with Henry and Maradona are not like most of the vile fan excuses laughable.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on December 08, 2018, 04:23:59 PM
I thought villa were comfortably the better side last night, we can get better with the right personnel in the middle of the park which now we've changed defensively seems to be our biggest issue. Crying out for some legs in there but I have my doubts it will be addressed in January and expect the starting XI will see the same names we see now shuffled around and the bench might see the likes of Mears and Hoolahan replaced with similar.

Villa have done well recently so the new manager bounce is having an effect unlike us last season when Pardew came in and nothing changed. The keeper is suspect and Hutton got schooled by a young kid, I was amazed he didn't bring Barnes down in the build up to Gayle's goal, defensively although they have kept a few clean sheets lately they are not all that. I don't see the hype about Grealish as i've never seen him do much other than whine to the ref and sit on the floor blabbing like a little babby as he did again last night. They can bang on about us having 2 loanees stealing the show but their own loan player Tammy missed two sitters last night which would have possibly sealed the game for them and his recent goals have had a major impact on their results so both in the same boat.

The handball was not deliberate as is obvious from the video of it, the ball hit Rodriguez not the other way round so despite their cheat claims they are wrong, yes it should have been disallowed but thats down to the officials not the player, comparisons with Henry and Maradona are not like most of the vile fan excuses laughable.


Actually, according to the laws of the game, it should not have been disallowed. The law clearly states that a handball has to be DELIBERATE in order for it to be an offence. So, basically, Villa can cry foul all they like, their problem, I suggest they read the rules of the game properly.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 08, 2018, 04:25:40 PM

Actually according to the laws of the game it should not have been disallowed. The law clearly states that a handball has to be DELIBERATE in order for it to be an offence. So, basically Villa can cry foul all they like, their problem, I suggest they read the rules of the game properly.

Yeah thats fair enough but 9 times out of 10 it would have been, luckily this was the 1 out of 10 it wasn't so stuff the villa   :D
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on December 08, 2018, 04:29:07 PM

Wrong. The man outside was not the immediate threat, you protect the centre of the goal at all times. Gibbs should've been out to block the shot. If the ball goes wide so be it you deal with the cross if you have to.

It's not wrong, watch it again.  The ball wouldn't have been wide it would have been played into our box for a pretty clear chance.  This play wasn't far out wide at all.  Hegazi should have been across not leaving Gibbs in a lose-lose position. The clue is that the shot went straight at Hegazi, he should have been closing down.

Hegazi wasn't there to close the shot down. He then literally heads the ball into his own net, and still Gibbs gets the blame.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on December 08, 2018, 04:34:00 PM
It's not wrong, watch it again.  The ball wouldn't have been wide it would have been played into our box for a pretty clear chance.  This play wasn't far out wide at all.  Hegazi should have been across not leaving Gibbs in a lose-lose position. The clue is that the shot went straight at Hegazi, he should have been closing down.

Hegazi wasn't there to close the shot down. He then literally heads the ball into his own net, and still Gibbs gets the blame.


I've watched it half a dozen times. The danger is the shot at goal, Gibbs has to show more desire to stop that shot. If I have a criticism of Hegazi, he should've moved his body to meet the ball rather than allowing the ball to hit him but it shouldn't have got this far. Gibbs has to read the danger and stop the shot.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: miggybaggy on December 08, 2018, 05:15:24 PM
Thought we were very lucky, they missed some glorious chances and smacked the woodwork. JRod is awful, we'd be woeful without Barnes, Gayle is not a winger and we missed Morrison terribly. Sadly, Brunt is finished IMO.

I hope the board are aware of our need to re-invest in the window because we can't continue to ride our luck like this. Great that it happened to the vile though!!  ;D
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 08, 2018, 05:26:12 PM
Some incredible posts on here. While the scores were level we controlled the game. The only reasons the scores weren't level were a huge double deflection and a worldie from 25 yards. While we were chasing the game Villa were able to create a few chances but couldn't put us away and in the end we more than deserved the point.


I'd have loved us to go ahead at any stage last night because we'd have picked them off at will. That imo is why we were actually unlucky last night as the run of the ball didn't allow us to get ahead at any time.
Title: Chairman Peace twitter
Post by: alex1 on December 08, 2018, 05:27:13 PM
Anyone see Chairman Peace's twitter?

"Big thanks to @JackGrealish1 whose general shithousery and crying on the floor gave us enough injury time to score a phenomenally well taken equaliser. #WBA lovely stuff"

Brought a smile to my face. What goes around comes around, eh!

Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: albion59 on December 08, 2018, 05:32:58 PM
Stewards are complete bells

Why wouldnt they let that in??
As a former Steward myself let me tell you they are not bells. They are told what  they can let in the ground and what they can't all the decisions come down via radio from the control room.
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: kc56wba on December 08, 2018, 05:34:39 PM
Stewards are complete bells

Why wouldnt they let that in??

Because there are rules and regulations to follow.
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: skyclad99 on December 08, 2018, 05:36:34 PM
Whoever made this flag is a bit daft IMO. 

If he had done his research then Cyrille’s stint at Villa was no more than a footnote in his career.

Yet the flag had a massive Villa bias.

Is an Albion fan going to make a blue and white flag with Tony Morley’s picture on it at Villa Park, February?  No I thought not.

Looks totally respectful to me. Photo on the right is Cyrille in the Albion strip. He made over 50 appearances for the Villa and its clearly going to be in claret and blue as it is a villa fan who has done it.

Personally I dont see anything wrong with this. A none Albion fan paying his respects to the great man....
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on December 08, 2018, 05:59:46 PM

I've watched it half a dozen times. The danger is the shot at goal, Gibbs has to show more desire to stop that shot. If I have a criticism of Hegazi, he should've moved his body to meet the ball rather than allowing the ball to hit him but it shouldn't have got this far. Gibbs has to read the danger and stop the shot.

Gibbs has read the danger, if he steps up the ball is slipped in so he did what he could.  The person who hasn't read the danger is Hegazi who is ball watching.

You're blaming Gibbs even though he was put in an impossible position to mark two players.  Why didn't hegazi read the situation and step out to block the shot?

Put it this way, the shot wasn't closed down we can both agree on that.  Two players could have closed it down, one of them was covering the run in behind, the other got hit directly with the ball.  Its hegazis to close down every day. 
Title: Re: Chairman Peace twitter
Post by: silver surfer on December 08, 2018, 06:32:35 PM
Wonderfully put but that’s what a private education and a job in the city gets you, class.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 08, 2018, 06:45:03 PM
Gibbs has read the danger, if he steps up the ball is slipped in so he did what he could.  The person who hasn't read the danger is Hegazi who is ball watching.

You're blaming Gibbs even though he was put in an impossible position to mark two players.  Why didn't hegazi read the situation and step out to block the shot?

Put it this way, the shot wasn't closed down we can both agree on that.  Two players could have closed it down, one of them was covering the run in behind, the other got hit directly with the ball.  Its hegazis to close down every day.

Don't think the midfield covered themselves in glory either. Barry let greasy jack carry the ball too far. Then Livermore instead of holding ground and being ready to close the next manstormed in and just flattened grealish- if they didn't score I think the ref would have given a free kick. Although I have only seen it once but that's how it looked to me
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on December 08, 2018, 06:45:19 PM
It pains me to say it but i personally think they're the best side I've seen face us at the Hawthorns this season. They were sharp, organised and scary at times, if they had a striker like Gayle they'd have smashed in 3 or 4 in that 2nd half. We rely far too much on our talented forwards putting a half chance away every game, last night it didn't really happen for us last night. We NEED a young creative midfielder. 

That said, watching JRod handball that goal in after years of their jammy luck, I went home a pretty happy man.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Albion79 on December 08, 2018, 06:48:42 PM
We never really controlled the game, nor did Villa.

Both teams had spells of possession, the difference was with their spells they got at us and had a spell where they could of scored 2 or 3, first half Abraham was through when Tosin passed the ball straight to them, fortunately he passed it back to Johnstone, second half he had two headers, one he should of done better, the other was a good effort but went wide, he also had the ball at his feet on his own 6 yards out and again managed to mess it up.

Our chances, a Gayle header over in the start of the 2nd half? And Villas keeper is their weakest player yet we never looked like scoring.

When we had the ball, usually at the back, Hegazi to Dawson, look up, Dawson back to Hegazi, look up, Hegazi to Dawson, now and again they found Gibbs or Barnes with a crossfield pass. We were neat and tidy without ever looking like scoring, yes the first goal was a fluke and maybe had we got the first goal it would of changed the approach but we didnt and they looked a lot more comfortable and more threatening than us.

We badly missed HRK and Morrison, without them i am not sure we currently have the personnel to play 4-3-3 against the better side, against the weaker sides we should just over power them which we have done a few times this season regardless of the formation.

PS - i am delighted how we got the equaliser, they have had more than enough luck against us.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: wbarenno on December 08, 2018, 06:50:40 PM
The 26,513 attendance, is that our biggest gate for years. Can’t remeber it being that full since the capacity was dropped down to 26,500

What is our capacity cause if the away fans were 120 down then, that means the capacity is higher then the 26,500
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: GREGMT on December 08, 2018, 08:37:22 PM
I don’t agree at all mate.  Cyrillie at Villa Park was a pale imitation of the one at The Hawthorns.  Anyhow Cryrille was damn good for Coventry and only slightly less effective.

There was a specific reason that Albion played Coventry in a pre-season friendly.

There is no basis for Villa fans to hero worship him.  I personally found that particular flag an insult to not only WBA but Coventry City also.
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: caravanc58 on December 08, 2018, 10:02:56 PM
don't see any harm in it myself.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on December 09, 2018, 08:15:43 AM
Officially the capacity is 26,688.
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: HamsteadHarry on December 09, 2018, 09:19:42 AM
Whoever made this flag is a bit daft IMO. 

If he had done his research then Cyrille’s stint at Villa was no more than a footnote in his career.

Yet the flag had a massive Villa bias.

Is an Albion fan going to make a blue and white flag with Tony Morley’s picture on it at Villa Park, February?  No I thought not.
Personally I thought it was a nice gesture- first time the clubs have played each other since he died, he's pictured in the Albion strip and he continued his links with both clubs after he finished playing through coaching and his agent work. Maybe the people who went to the trouble of designing and paying for it have personal links with him? Fair play to them.
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: timdon on December 09, 2018, 10:06:00 AM
Wasn't allowed in by the stewards apparently ?
If it wasn't allowed in, how come there's a photo of it?
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on December 09, 2018, 10:08:58 AM
pathetic if true it wasn't allowed in - I hate the Vile but have to admit that's a great gesture shown by them to one of our greats
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: skyclad99 on December 09, 2018, 10:51:47 AM
If it wasn't allowed in, how come there's a photo of it?

Its on a washing line in someone's back garden, so I can only assume that it was done by the owner prior to going to the game, and has now released the picture as it was taken off him by the stewards and he has put the photo out to show how innoffensive it was..........
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Black Country Pride on December 09, 2018, 12:29:22 PM
The 26,513 attendance, is that our biggest gate for years. Can’t remeber it being that full since the capacity was dropped down to 26,500

What is our capacity cause if the away fans were 120 down then, that means the capacity is higher then the 26,500

Biggest since 2015 (26,663 v Liverpool).
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: Andio on December 09, 2018, 01:01:31 PM
I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that to bring a flag/banner into the ground it has to have a fire safety certificate with it.

Could that be where the problem arose?
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: tommcneill on December 09, 2018, 02:20:52 PM
As a former Steward myself let me tell you they are not bells. They are told what  they can let in the ground and what they can't all the decisions come down via radio from the control room.

I understand that but quite a few of the stewards are bells...personal experience and reports from other fans show that
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: timdon on December 09, 2018, 03:09:21 PM
Its on a washing line in someone's back garden, so I can only assume that it was done by the owner prior to going to the game, and has now released the picture as it was taken off him by the stewards and he has put the photo out to show how innoffensive it was..........
Ah, ok, thanks
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 09, 2018, 05:42:44 PM
I understand that but quite a few of the stewards are bells...personal experience and reports from other fans show that
The stewards in the back of the Smethwick caused a bit of a commotion previous home game and chucked someone out and took his season ticket/card off him too, all for standing on his seat. Not a sign of any of 'em on Friday night when the gangways were rammed with people who had moved there from their usual seats lower down and who were generally well tanked and getting leary when in sight of some real live seals   
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: albion59 on December 09, 2018, 07:52:00 PM
I understand that but quite a few of the stewards are bells...personal experience and reports from other fans show that
I should have explained better, I haven't been a steward now for 13 years. When I was doing It, it was mainly Albion stewards now it's outside contractors and to be honest they are rubbish. I was just backing imo the proper stewards who work for West Brom and are well trained. The one's who do it now are a cheap option.
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: KYA on December 09, 2018, 08:28:24 PM
Nothing wrong with it in principle but I still don't like it just my sheer intense dislike of anything vila.
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: WBArgo on December 09, 2018, 10:29:13 PM
I don’t agree at all mate.  Cyrillie at Villa Park was a pale imitation of the one at The Hawthorns.  Anyhow Cryrille was damn good for Coventry and only slightly less effective.

There was a specific reason that Albion played Coventry in a pre-season friendly.

There is no basis for Villa fans to hero worship him.  I personally found that particular flag an insult to not only WBA but Coventry City also.
It's not about hero worship, it's just a friendly sign of respect...

Some stewards clearly have ego problems.
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: GREGMT on December 10, 2018, 08:16:10 AM
It's not about hero worship, it's just a friendly sign of respect...

Some stewards clearly have ego problems.

No mate.  The 2 faced Villa were chanting "F--k the Albion" all night then if interviewed later would state WBA are not their rival!!! 

Cyrille was rightly revered by WBA and Coventry, other clubs should not be in the frame. 

Villa have had some great forwards in latter years namely Withe, McInally, Yorke.  They should save their appreciation for them.
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: skyclad99 on December 10, 2018, 09:25:05 AM
No mate.  The 2 faced Villa were chanting "F--k the Albion" all night then if interviewed later would state WBA are not their rival!!! 

Cyrille was rightly revered by WBA and Coventry, other clubs should not be in the frame. 

Villa have had some great forwards in latter years namely Withe, McInally, Yorke.  They should save their appreciation for them.

To be fair we were not exactly singing songs of respect about them either.

I hate the vile as much as you but this was just a friendly well meaning gesture from a normal 'football' fan and it should be treated as such........
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: seteefeet on December 10, 2018, 09:54:36 AM
The picture of him in an Albion shirt should be the giveaway. For me this is a genuine gesture to honour a legend of Midlands football.
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: GREGMT on December 10, 2018, 11:26:40 AM
To be fair we were not exactly singing songs of respect about them either.

I hate the vile as much as you but this was just a friendly well meaning gesture from a normal 'football' fan and it should be treated as such........

Wake up to the situation.  The beef i have with Vila is they turn the tap on and off regarding WBA-Villa rivalry.  You are talking about the oldest derby in world football.

I get that we'll never mean as much as Small Heath.  However most Villans just completely contradict themselves.  Its a derby we dont want flags like that when Cyrille in the main was an Albion man.
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: skyclad99 on December 10, 2018, 11:50:12 AM
Wake up to the situation.  The beef i have with Vila is they turn the tap on and off regarding WBA-Villa rivalry.  You are talking about the oldest derby in world football.

I get that we'll never mean as much as Small Heath.  However most Villans just completely contradict themselves.  Its a derby we dont want flags like that when Cyrille in the main was an Albion man.

Thank you for the advice Greg, I will take it on board........
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: McSkittle on December 10, 2018, 12:04:12 PM
Wake up to the situation.  The beef i have with Vila is they turn the tap on and off regarding WBA-Villa rivalry.  You are talking about the oldest derby in world football.

I get that we'll never mean as much as Small Heath.  However most Villans just completely contradict themselves.  Its a derby we dont want flags like that when Cyrille in the main was an Albion man.

Should fans submit requests to you in writing next time when considering what figures in the game they wish to respect?
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 10, 2018, 01:00:29 PM
I'm with skyclad... I think it was a decent nod to a great player.

Quite a grown up thing to do in fact.
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: KYA on December 10, 2018, 01:02:30 PM
Should fans submit requests to you in writing next time when considering what figures in the game they wish to respect?
My god where have you popped up from we don't need vila supporters giving it large on here go back to where you've been hiding for two years.
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: Powelly on December 10, 2018, 01:16:36 PM
I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that to bring a flag/banner into the ground it has to have a fire safety certificate with it.

Could that be where the problem arose?

I was just going to say the same. I've got a flag and every ground we take it before allowing it in the stewards want to know what's on it and for proof of the fire safety certificate.
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 10, 2018, 02:22:13 PM
Flags also banned at a big rugby game too on H&S grounds, this time 1500 of them
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/early-controversy-at-leinster-bath-match-as-flags-banned-from-rec/

Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: tommcneill on December 10, 2018, 03:29:55 PM
Wake up to the situation.  The beef i have with Vila is they turn the tap on and off regarding WBA-Villa rivalry.  You are talking about the oldest derby in world football.

I get that we'll never mean as much as Small Heath.  However most Villans just completely contradict themselves.  Its a derby we dont want flags like that when Cyrille in the main was an Albion man.

Absolute load of claptrap

Im all for them repsecting one of our players who also played for them.....it was respectful what they had done not disrespectful!


The oldest derby in world football is sheffield fc v hallam
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: GREGMT on December 10, 2018, 04:59:05 PM
Absolute load of claptrap

Im all for them repsecting one of our players who also played for them.....it was respectful what they had done not disrespectful!


The oldest derby in world football is sheffield fc v hallam

Fine but i will never change my own viewpoint.

We wil wait for February at Villa Park to see how partisan and hostile it is from about 38,000 Villa fans.  Remember though it's not really a derby according to them

Your comment about Sheffield-Hallam is just to try and prove a point.
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: Andio on December 10, 2018, 05:42:46 PM
I was just going to say the same. I've got a flag and every ground we take it before allowing it in the stewards want to know what's on it and for proof of the fire safety certificate.

Thanks for confirming mate, I was pretty sure I read it somewhere.
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: leeiswba on December 10, 2018, 07:54:20 PM
Fine but i will never change my own viewpoint.

We wil wait for February at Villa Park to see how partisan and hostile it is from about 38,000 Villa fans.  Remember though it's not really a derby according to them

Your comment about Sheffield-Hallam is just to try and prove a point.

There will probably be about 29.000 villa fans and 3,000 of us like most other times they play us. They only get 38,000-40,000 Home fans when they play blues.

Some awful comments in this thread about what was a cracking banner and cracking idea from some villa fans
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: GREGMT on December 10, 2018, 09:09:23 PM
There will probably be about 29.000 villa fans and 3,000 of us like most other times they play us. They only get 38,000-40,000 Home fans when they play blues.

Some awful comments in this thread about what was a cracking banner and cracking idea from some villa fans

Wrong.  What will happen is Villa will win the majority of their games and gates will soar to the 40,000+ mark regularly.  I’d almost guarantee the crowd will be 42,000 for WBA.  They are a big club no doubt. 

Maybe the flag idea was to soften us up and potentially nullify a raucous home crowd, who knows?  What I do know is that Villans aren’t consist with their opinions/actions therefore I wouldn’t trust one when you’re solely talking football.
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: Albionic on December 11, 2018, 10:09:31 PM
A well intentioned gesture, to try to turn it into anything else is pretty pathetic in my opinion
Title: Re: Banned flag in villa end
Post by: mank baggie on December 12, 2018, 06:28:53 AM
Wrong.  What will happen is Villa will win the majority of their games and gates will soar to the 40,000+ mark regularly.  I’d almost guarantee the crowd will be 42,000 for WBA.  They are a big club no doubt. 

Maybe the flag idea was to soften us up and potentially nullify a raucous home crowd, who knows?  What I do know is that Villans aren’t consist with their opinions/actions therefore I wouldn’t trust one when you’re solely talking football.
They arnt a big club where I live , in fact in football areas they are only big in the Midlands and east Anglia,  going off support .oh yea and that football hot bed Devon and Cornwall