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Title: Dwight Gayle (at Newcastle)
Post by: Mister AT on August 06, 2018, 12:06:23 PM
About time he had his own thread.

Pete O'Rourke has just confirmed he's sealed his deal.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gazberg on August 06, 2018, 12:08:59 PM
Would be quite pleased with this.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Mister AT on August 06, 2018, 12:10:06 PM
Its not letting me copy the tweet in, Pete O'Rourke has said hes sealed his loan switch as part of the deal, I imagine its just a case of finalising the Rondon part of the deal.

Hopefully he is registered in time to be involved tomorrow at some point.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: bradleysrocket on August 06, 2018, 12:21:38 PM
Who is Pete o’rourke? Is he legit or just another ‘twitter rumour’ guy?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: MarkW on August 06, 2018, 12:22:22 PM
Who is Pete o’rourke? Is he legit or just another ‘twitter rumour’ guy?

I think he's on a similar level of reliability as Percy is for us
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 06, 2018, 12:28:22 PM
Pete O’Rourke tweet as mentioned above

“Newcastle striker Dwight Gayle has sealed his loan move to West Brom as part of swap deal involving Salomon Rondon going the other way. #NUFC #WBA”
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 06, 2018, 12:28:47 PM
He is verified, O'Rourke, so take it as read.

If we are getting no use out of Rondon, having Gayle in at this level is a brilliant signing. Just hope we get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Dexy on August 06, 2018, 12:42:36 PM
He is verified, O'Rourke, so take it as read.

If we are getting no use out of Rondon, having Gayle in at this level is a brilliant signing. Just hope we get the best out of him.
My worry is Gayle is a bit too much like Jrod , if the JRod stays of course. Gayle will get goals but needs supply.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on August 06, 2018, 12:55:59 PM
If Gayle has signed that's good news,proves he wants to be here and it suits him to be,so I expect him to be a hit and bang in some goals,starting tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 06, 2018, 01:12:13 PM

12:41
http://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre

12:41

RONDON-GAYLE SWAP AGREED

Newcastle and West Brom have agreed a season-long swap for Salomon Rondon and Dwight Gayle.

Sky Sports News understands Newcastle will pay a fee of around £2m for the Venezuela international Rondon, who is currently on Tyneside having a medical.

West Brom suffered a surprise opening-day defeat at home to Bolton but will boost their attacking options by taking Gayle – who we understand is in the Midlands finalising the move - as part of the deal.


Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: B714LF on August 06, 2018, 01:49:03 PM
Great News. Always rated this guy. Top draw at this level. Boom
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 06, 2018, 01:49:33 PM
If Gayle has signed that's good news,proves he wants to be here
Well it might or it might not! I presume loaned players get paid some kind of sweetener as an incentive? If so, his motivation might not be what we think it is.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on August 06, 2018, 01:52:02 PM
I really do not get this, I hope I am wrong BUT I think we have swapped Rondon for an inferior player and some cash, I also suspect the cash will not be re-deployed on the team.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on August 06, 2018, 01:57:22 PM
I really do not get this, I hope I am wrong BUT I think we have swapped Rondon for an inferior player and some cash, I also suspect the cash will not be re-deployed on the team.

I am pretty sure he's not as good as Rondon, but if Rondon was pushing the move through and this was the option at least we have someone else to play up front.  A front two of J-Rod and Gayle i sbetter than J-Rod and HRK.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 06, 2018, 01:58:55 PM
Gayle completes West Brom loan move footydeck.app
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on August 06, 2018, 02:00:48 PM
I think rondon is a cracking player who I have always supported.
However,perhaps the way he plays doesn't suite Dave now.
We needed a Phillips type which is,I know to a lesser degree,what Gayle is.
It must suit him to come to us and play so I look forward to some goals.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: hardtobeat on August 06, 2018, 02:00:52 PM
Still don't see how this works , Gayle goes back to Newcastle at end of season and Rondon goes wherever he wants for nothing as I beleive he is out of contract , how is this a good deal for the club ??
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 06, 2018, 02:01:44 PM
Done deal

Source: http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/11463300/newcastle-uniteds-dwight-gayle-signs-for-west-brom-on-loan
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on August 06, 2018, 02:03:09 PM
What I don't get is that rondon has signed for them but Gayle is in the midlands discussing terms?
What happens if the terms don't suit him?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 06, 2018, 02:05:37 PM
What I don't get is that rondon has signed for them but Gayle is in the midlands discussing terms?
What happens if the terms don't suit him?

He’s signed
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Dexy on August 06, 2018, 02:06:34 PM
Could be a very shrewd move this , one we look back on and say it did the job.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Mister AT on August 06, 2018, 02:06:45 PM
The only bit I am confused by is what happens at the end of the year, Rondon just walks away on a freebie?

If he does well at Newcastle I imagine he would sign there and he would have only cost them 2million.

That being said, I said some stats on him earlier and I think hes workrate actually blinds how poor he is in front of goal.

Here are his premier league stats:

Shots 244   

Shots on target 76   

Shooting accuracy % 31%   

Big chances missed 24   

 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: kirk on August 06, 2018, 02:07:49 PM
Terrible deal if as reported we only getting 2 million. It makes no sense at all
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: A5HB on August 06, 2018, 02:10:13 PM
Terrible deal if as reported we only getting 2 million. It makes no sense at all
I imagine they have probably picked up the difference in wages between the two as well, which seems to have been the sticking point.

Think we’ve only been convinced to do a loan deal because they are providing us with a replacement. Not getting a fee for a sale would be a big problem if we then had to go and find a replacement ourselves.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 06, 2018, 02:10:36 PM
I really do not get this, I hope I am wrong BUT I think we have swapped Rondon for an inferior player and some cash, I also suspect the cash will not be re-deployed on the team.

Rondon and Gayle are different types of player, you can't really compare them but if you look at their record at premier league level Gayle has a better shot accuracy (36%) than Rondon (31%) and missed less big chances, their goal scoring rate is virtually identical although Rondon's is slightly better 4.5 compared to 4.7 games per goal.

I know that's only comparing their goal scoring and there is more to being a striker/forward etc than scoring (but imo it is the most important part of the job).

However we aren't in the Pl anymore and there's no evidence that Rondon would improve in front of goal in the Championship whereas we know Gayle can score in the Championship.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: NathWBA on August 06, 2018, 02:11:37 PM
Terrible deal if as reported we only getting 2 million. It makes no sense at all
2million loan fee plus Gayle on loan I’d say is a decent deal, if rondon performs well up there which I think he will he’ll be worth more to us.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 06, 2018, 02:12:42 PM
The only bit I am confused by is what happens at the end of the year, Rondon just walks away on a freebie?

If he does well at Newcastle I imagine he would sign there and he would have only cost them 2million.

That being said, I said some stats on him earlier and I think hes workrate actually blinds how poor he is in front of goal.

Here are his premier league stats:

Shots 244   

Shots on target 76   

Shooting accuracy % 31%   

Big chances missed 24

it was either in Brummie Mail or E&S earlier today that we have  a 1 year option on the deal with Rondon so he will still have a value to us at the end of the loan period.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Galahad on August 06, 2018, 02:16:41 PM
We have a one year option at the end of the season to exercise on Rondon.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-united-gayle-rondon-live-14994542

At the bottom,

Contract status

"When Rondon signed his four-year deal at Albion in 2015, the club had a further year’s option in their favour, BirminghamLive understands.

That means the Baggies would still be able to cash in on Rondon, especially if he thrives at James’ Park, rather than run the risk of him leaving as a free agent."
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Blowee on August 06, 2018, 02:18:45 PM
it was either in Brummie Mail or E&S earlier today that we have  a 1 year option on the deal with Rondon so he will still have a value to us at the end of the loan period.
Surely this would have to be the case otherwise either we are incredibly stupid or Newcastle master negotiators. Without a contract Rondon joins them for free and Gayle goes back! We get £2m for a player valued at £16.5m.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 06, 2018, 02:19:30 PM
We have a one year option at the end of the season to exercise on Rondon.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-united-gayle-rondon-live-14994542

At the bottom,

Contract status

"When Rondon signed his four-year deal at Albion in 2015, the club had a further year’s option in their favour, BirminghamLive understands.

That means the Baggies would still be able to cash in on Rondon, especially if he thrives at James’ Park, rather than run the risk of him leaving as a free agent."

cheers for posting the link, knew I'd seen it somewhere!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Blowee on August 06, 2018, 02:20:31 PM
We have a one year option at the end of the season to exercise on Rondon.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-united-gayle-rondon-live-14994542

At the bottom,

Contract status That makes sense - not such a bad deal come on Gayle and Rondon!

"When Rondon signed his four-year deal at Albion in 2015, the club had a further year’s option in their favour, BirminghamLive understands.

That means the Baggies would still be able to cash in on Rondon, especially if he thrives at James’ Park, rather than run the risk of him leaving as a free agent."
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2018, 02:23:46 PM
The 2 million probably goes in Gayles back pocket. not a good deal as i see it but welcome to the albion dwight
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 06, 2018, 02:27:00 PM
We desperately need someone who can put the ball in the back of the net at this level. Gayle is proven to do that. A good move.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: barnestormer on August 06, 2018, 02:29:47 PM
We desperately need someone who can put the ball in the back of the net at this level. Gayle is proven to do that. A good move.
The way we set up and play ATM I think Gayle will struggle to hit double figures
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 06, 2018, 02:30:35 PM
Has he signed in time for tomorrow nights game?

Welcome to West Bromwich Albion!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: buzzingbaggie on August 06, 2018, 02:31:32 PM
The way we set up and play ATM I think Gayle will struggle to hit double figures

I'm happy to put £20 on that with you.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiejohn on August 06, 2018, 02:32:01 PM
There's nothing yet from our end to say the deal's been completed.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 06, 2018, 02:34:56 PM
Gayle replacing HRK will be an immediate improvement. General consensus appears to be feed him and he will score at this level which is exactly what was missing against Bolton (along with a commanding CB).
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: WBArgo on August 06, 2018, 02:37:25 PM
Potentially as good as Kevin Phillips was for us in the Championship - as his Championship record shows, he gets goals.
Having said that, if our setup is anything like it was on Saturday then he would be very isolated with few chances, which would put a lot of pressure on him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: KYA on August 06, 2018, 02:58:14 PM
As the squad stands not over impressed with this signing he needs the chances made for him and we are lacking in that department both in midfield and as support for him upfront best hope we have a busy week.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on August 06, 2018, 03:10:04 PM
Potentially as good as Kevin Phillips was for us in the Championship - as his Championship record shows, he gets goals.
Having said that, if our setup is anything like it was on Saturday then he would be very isolated with few chances, which would put a lot of pressure on him.
he is not in Kevin Phillips league lets get that right from the start
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: darbolina on August 06, 2018, 03:12:46 PM
Every time we've been promoted from the Champ, we've had a player who scores 15+ goals as well as a midfield who can add a few too . Gayle has a pedigree in the Champ. No transfer is guaranteed but if he got 15+ goals he'd have been a success.

'Better than HRK' is not really a yardstick to judge anyone is it! We also need two more strikers as I think JRod will go aswell as Rondon.....
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Mooncat on August 06, 2018, 03:21:36 PM
Definitely need more options up front, as even with Gayle coming in that leaves us with 3 'first team' players and if we're playing two up top that's not enough for a 46+ game season - especially if one has a dip in form, injury or suspension
I think if we get £20m for JRod we'll spend on a couple of players possibly that we've already been linked with
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: SmethDan on August 06, 2018, 03:22:35 PM
Still not officially announce by either club........
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Beefy on August 06, 2018, 04:00:36 PM
Sky sources: Dwight Gayle agrees to join West Brom on a season-long loan from Newcastle. #SSN https://t.co/uyp3REz5yF
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Baggie79 on August 06, 2018, 04:22:36 PM
I notice he is second favourite for top championship goalscorer behind..................J-Rod

Gayle is 16/1 at the moment if you fancy it.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Ben1983 on August 06, 2018, 05:00:31 PM
J ROD!!!!! The guy is garbage.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on August 06, 2018, 05:17:57 PM
Incidentally, can he play tomorrow night?
What time must he sign before today?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Baggie79 on August 06, 2018, 06:02:26 PM
Incidentally, can he play tomorrow night?
What time must he sign before today?

He has already signed but unlikely to play due to match fitness
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 06, 2018, 06:09:14 PM
Season-long "swap-loan" now confirmed on the official site:

Gayle arrives (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/august/gayle-arrives-at-the-hawthorns/)

He's making the right noises, so it's fair enough to believe him on that basis, as long as his performances back it up. The issue now is what's the right formation for him and who/how will he be given the service he needs. On a Newcastle blog (http://www.nufcblog.co.uk/) the writer has said: "I’m happy with this deal in the circumstances, with Rondon and upgrade on Gayle and a player far better suited to Rafa’s system in the lone striker role". The question, therefore, is do we continue to persist with 2 strikers or, if we switch to 1, can Gayle be effective in such a formation? I guess we need to have a good look at how Newcastle played when he scored 23 goals in 2016-17 and how those goals were created.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: barnestormer on August 06, 2018, 06:11:32 PM
Season-long "swap-loan" now confirmed on the official site:

Gayle arrives (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/august/gayle-arrives-at-the-hawthorns/)
Looks to be happy enough at least
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 06, 2018, 06:16:33 PM
If he stays fit, he'll get lots of goals at this level. A much better natural finisher than Rondon, but goes missing frequently in games. In the right system, he will be lethal.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: bigwigjack on August 06, 2018, 06:26:03 PM
Will he be available for forest? God I hope so...
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 06, 2018, 06:26:46 PM
Might prove to be a good signing if we provide him with the service to score goals.

He might have made good foil for a player like.. Rondon!  :)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheBrom on August 06, 2018, 06:27:26 PM
Just seen the tweet come through. Does that mean Rondon is gone?

Edit just read it's a season loan with Rondon doing the same
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: MICKYMEL on August 06, 2018, 06:32:59 PM
Use him right, and he stays fit we finish top two in my opinion.

Needs more creativity signed though(said this for severa seasons)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: vrabbit on August 06, 2018, 06:39:49 PM
I envision Gayle being what Berahino used to be when he was worth a damn. I'd still like for the issues to be resolved behind the striker.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie96 on August 06, 2018, 06:43:58 PM
If Rodriguez stays then we have the 2 best strikers in the league, play offs minimum
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheBrom on August 06, 2018, 06:45:26 PM
I envision Gayle being what Berahino used to be when he was worth a damn. I'd still like for the issues to be resolved behind the striker.

Yep, I mean all those championship goals and poaching ability are nothing if we can't create the chances and get decent service to the strikers. Something which we saw nothing of on Saturday. Desperately in need of someone to play behind the striker properly.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Baggies on August 06, 2018, 06:52:36 PM
Not overly suited to playing on his own up front according to Newcastle write ups, so i'd imagine when Moore talks about him fitting our style of play, he is planning on 2 up front more often than not.

Unsure on if this is a good deal or not. I suppose that will ultimately depend in hindsight. I reckon Rondon offers more options tactically and could well have scored a few at this level but Gayle has had 2 good seasons in this division and I suppose they are looking at his proven championship goals record, plus the chance to get us a sale on Rondon next summer.

Good look Gayle, 2 goal scorers at the club now. Need the service behind them.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gerry m on August 06, 2018, 06:55:23 PM
Welcome to the Albion and good luck Dwight.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 06, 2018, 06:56:15 PM
This hasn't been our choice clearly. Rondon was never going to play 2nd tier. We've softened the blow slightly by signing a striker who has had 1 twenty goal season in this division. Hopefully he gets close to a 2nd.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on August 06, 2018, 06:58:28 PM
Welcome Dwight, you will be playing in a 2 upfront with jrod in a 352 formation.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: The Joust on August 06, 2018, 07:02:44 PM
Class signing. Well done Albion. DG will be league top scorer imo.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on August 06, 2018, 07:03:47 PM
Trouble is you need to sort out that haircut Dwight, its dodgy mate.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: NathWBA on August 06, 2018, 07:21:40 PM
Welcome Dwight, you will be playing in a 2 upfront with jrod in a 352 formation.
would rather see him played central in 433 or 451 with Barnes and jay rod ether side of him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wodenson46 on August 06, 2018, 07:26:39 PM
Really do hope I am completely and utterly wrong but this seems a pretty one sided deal to me.  They are getting Rondon for next to zero. Gayle may have scored goals in this division before but will he do the same for us ? I have serious doubts. J Rod is supposed to be a goal scorer but I see little evidence that he is any more prolific than Rondon was and offers far less in terms of the physicality needed at this level. Pinning our hopes on a fading and very lightweight Midfielder like JM is also very much like a second marriage, a triumph of hope (and I do not mean sir Bobby) over experience. Anyway welcome Mr Gayle please make me eat my words.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on August 06, 2018, 07:40:29 PM
At last we have a half decent striker who can actually score a few goals. Good job he has nothing to live up to from his predecessor. Sure he will do well, knows this division inside out. I wouldn't mind selling J-Rod and signing Assombalonga or Forestieri either after watching how poor and lightweight he was at the weekend, albeit being played out of position.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: CL3MO on August 06, 2018, 07:43:05 PM
Really intrigued to see how this goes. The fact that he struggles to play on his own upfront worries me but then again, Rafa liked a lone front man in the Championship.

Fingers crossed he can do the business!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 06, 2018, 07:49:21 PM
Really intrigued to see how this goes. The fact that he struggles to play on his own upfront worries me but then again, Rafa liked a lone front man in the Championship.

Fingers crossed he can do the business!

But when he was up top alone he had Ayoze Perez behind him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Pie on August 06, 2018, 07:50:02 PM
Welcome Dwight, good to see this finally get resolved as I'm sure it was hampering the team.

If jay-rod stays and knuckles down then the two together would be deadly upfront (given some better service than v bolton).

Club needs to go out and get that CAM to compete with Morrison now plus hopefully a RB.


Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 06, 2018, 07:55:32 PM
Season-long "swap-loan" now confirmed on the official site:

Gayle arrives (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/august/gayle-arrives-at-the-hawthorns/)

He's making the right noises, so it's fair enough to believe him on that basis, as long as his performances back it up. The issue now is what's the right formation for him and who/how will he be given the service he needs. On a Newcastle blog (http://www.nufcblog.co.uk/) the writer has said: "I’m happy with this deal in the circumstances, with Rondon and upgrade on Gayle and a player far better suited to Rafa’s system in the lone striker role". The question, therefore, is do we continue to persist with 2 strikers or, if we switch to 1, can Gayle be effective in such a formation? I guess we need to have a good look at how Newcastle played when he scored 23 goals in 2016-17 and how those goals were created.
Could he play as a number 10? If we can get a big hold up player?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on August 06, 2018, 08:09:14 PM
Forget 10 ,he's an out and out finisher
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mig on August 06, 2018, 08:12:30 PM
Like people have said, Gayle sounds like he is only as good as the service he gets (reminds me a little bit of Earnshaw in that sense) - sadly based on what we've seen of Moore so far, there won't be an awful lot for him to feed off.

Really sad to see Rondon go but the guy is class on and off the pitch, and thoroughly deserves to stay in the Prem. Best of luck Salo!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: royhan on August 06, 2018, 08:15:02 PM
I wonder how this signing has affected our wage structure. Most, if not all, of last season’s squad have had to take a big drop in wages. There’s no way that Gayle will have taken a pay cut to drop down from the Premier League. Is that £2m being paid to us as part of the deal a hidden way of making up with the shortfall?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 06, 2018, 08:17:11 PM
Forget 10 ,he's an out and out finisher
I don't know how it will play out then Liver?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: charlebaggie on August 06, 2018, 08:20:46 PM
Terrible deal if as reported we only getting 2 million. It makes no sense at all
.    Take your sunglasses off pal .Rondon didn't want to be here kissing the badge and all that c**p couldn't wait to get away. We'll never know if Rundon would have scored goals in the EFL but Gayles record speakers for itself .lf he scores 23 goals for us at this level like he did for NUFC then we'll get promoted.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: The Joust on August 06, 2018, 08:22:38 PM
Looking at the photos of Rondón in the Newcastle shirt I notice that they have stripes on the back ... what happened to the premier league rule..?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: charlebaggie on August 06, 2018, 08:26:25 PM
Looking at the photos of Rondón in the Newcastle shirt I notice that they have stripes on the back ... what happened to the premier league rule..?
.    Ought to be a yellow stripe running down his back.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mig on August 06, 2018, 08:26:48 PM
.    Take your sunglasses off pal .Rondon didn't want to be here kissing the badge and all that c**p couldn't wait to get away. We'll never know if Rundon would have scored goals in the EFL but Gayles record speakers for itself .lf he scores 23 goals for us at this level like he did for NUFC then we'll get promoted.

We also don't know that Gayle will score goals for us at this level. Those 23 were in a Newcastle team which walked the division, and in doing so probably created plenty of chances. Why do people talk as though system and tactics have no impact on player performances?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: caravanc58 on August 06, 2018, 08:34:08 PM
We also don't know that Gayle will score goals for us at this level. Those 23 were in a Newcastle team which walked the division, and in doing so probably created plenty of chances. Why do people talk as though system and tactics have no impact on player performances?
if we use the same tactics as on Saturday then Gayle will struggle more than Rondon would, we have to change and play players who can create chances from central and wide areas for Gayle to work.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mig on August 06, 2018, 08:39:15 PM
if we use the same tactics as on Saturday then Gayle will struggle more than Rondon would, we have to change and play players who can create chances from central and wide areas for Gayle to work.

Yep exactly. Whether Rondon is a goalscorer or not can be debated over and over, but one thing nobody can deny is that he possesses other attributes to his game which make him valuable in a number of systems. Not sure Gayle has too much to offer behind goalscoring, and if we don't create the chances then he will be quite anonymous for us.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: 54hines on August 06, 2018, 08:42:57 PM
Shame we will never know how Rondom would have faired, personally sorry to see him go as always gave his all and ploughed a lone furrow doing a thankless job at times having balls hit AT him rather than FOR him.
Still let’s be optimistic , we have in Gayle a proven goal scorer at this level my only doubt is do we have a provider for him. Really hope he can get us the goals we will need even to challenge for a top six place as on Saturday it was obvious that we were so lacking in so many areas but a good striker is vital to any team with any ambition to seriously mount any sort of promotion push.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Bilston Dan on August 06, 2018, 08:58:11 PM
People have been crying out for a goalscorer...now we have one. I wish him nothing but the best and I've always rated him to be fair. Football is a shark tank business I don't see it as anything less these days.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on August 06, 2018, 09:01:17 PM
It will only be a good signing if we add a couple of creative midfielders into the mix, and quicken the pace of the game. Tippy tappy across and back in our own half and we've wasted our money on Gayle.
Welcome Dwight and good luck.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 06, 2018, 09:14:09 PM
I wonder how this signing has affected our wage structure. Most, if not all, of last season’s squad have had to take a big drop in wages. There’s no way that Gayle will have taken a pay cut to drop down from the Premier League. Is that £2m being paid to us as part of the deal a hidden way of making up with the shortfall?

My Newcastle friends are adamant that they are paying half his wage for the period of the loan....   and aren't happy about it

They say that who paid his wages was always the only sticking point in the deal..

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: paulosull on August 06, 2018, 09:33:27 PM
Welcome Dwight hope you can put the ball in back off opponents net
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 06, 2018, 09:57:55 PM
Although it's not specifically about the 2016-17 season (when Gayle scored 23 goals), the video below is a good summary of how Benitez likes to play at Newcastle, so it's not unreasonable to assume the 2016-17 season was approached in the same way. Gayle is mentioned in it, although he wasn't first choice in the Premiership of course.

Benitez favours a 4-2-3-1 formation, with an emphasis on playing through balls and having wide players stretching the defence. Unfortunately for Albion, recent seasons have seen us forget what a through ball actually is, so hopefully we can find out again!

Benitez's style of play also relies on the 2 holding midfielders being very mobile, which brings into further question Brunt playing there is we're going to try to play fully to Gayle's strengths. Watch the video and see if you think we can learn anything from it.

Video: Benitez's tactics explained (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Z984ROU-s)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on August 06, 2018, 10:52:52 PM
Hey gloster, I see Dwight as an out and out striker with jrod in a 352, that's what I would prefer with Dawson back and inspired as captain.
I've always thought that set up is both attacking and defensive,with the right players of course.
I get the impression that Dave doesn't fancy the idea of a big man up front he wants people who can pass and take the ball under control and are lively and fast.
I won't hold my breath but I live in hope.
Hasn't football always about trying to score at every opportunity?
Don't players want to try and score from everywhere like the bomber?
If only.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 06, 2018, 10:53:37 PM
Hey gloster, I see Dwight as an out and out striker with jrod in a 352, that's what I would prefer with Dawson back and inspired as captain.
I've always thought that set up is both attacking and defensive,with the right players of course.
I get the impression that Dave doesn't fancy the idea of a big man up front he wants people who can pass and take the ball under control and are lively and fast.
I won't hold my breath but I live in hope.
Hasn't football always about trying to score at every opportunity?
Don't players want to try and score from everywhere like the bomber?
If only.


We aren't going to play 3 at the back.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 06, 2018, 11:02:46 PM

A straight swap for HRK will sort out the problems at one end of the pitch. Now lets hope for a commanding centre back and a target man to replace Rondon.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on August 06, 2018, 11:14:13 PM
Hey jacko,that's what I would love to see,what's your own thoughts on the shape of our team then?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 06, 2018, 11:15:41 PM
Hey jacko,that's what I would love to see,what's your own thoughts on the shape of our team then?


451/433


With Rodriguez and Gayle competing for one striking berth. Leaves an option on the bench that isn't HRK.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on August 07, 2018, 12:04:46 AM
So if the one up don't score who do you think will?
You must play two up top surely who can at least have the job of trying to score a goal.
Sorry mate still 352 for me.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2018, 12:07:46 AM
So if the one up don't score who do you think will?
You must play two up top surely who can at least have the job of trying to score a goal.
Sorry mate still 352 for me.


Dunno but City win a lot of games with Aguero up front on his own, Liverpool likewise with Firmino, but what do Pep and Klopp know? Beats me.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on August 07, 2018, 05:42:49 AM
They no nothing about the Albion mate
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Mister AT on August 07, 2018, 08:17:37 AM

Dunno but City win a lot of games with Aguero up front on his own, Liverpool likewise with Firmino, but what do Pep and Klopp know? Beats me.

Both of those teams also have 2/3 players that scored 20+ goals for them. We simply don't have that in our team.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 07, 2018, 08:24:34 AM
So if the one up don't score who do you think will?
You must play two up top surely who can at least have the job of trying to score a goal.
Sorry mate still 352 for me.

what if neither of the 2 score?

I don't mind 3-5-2 either though. I'd prefer 4-5-1 away and 4-2-3-1 at home or with the right personnel 3-4-3 at home like Wigan used to play under Martinez....and Jones.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on August 07, 2018, 08:27:33 AM
So if the one up don't score who do you think will?
You must play two up top surely who can at least have the job of trying to score a goal.
Sorry mate still 352 for me.


Two up top is becoming less and less common in the modern game as possession is king. If you want to play two up top then the best thing is to play three at the back. I can't see Albion doing that.

4-2-3-1 probably suits Albion best. With the likes of Barnes and Morrison in the team we are more likely to get goals from other areas of the team. Dawson also will provide goals.

We do need goals from other areas but I think the idea that two up front would get us more goals is flawed.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 07, 2018, 08:48:02 AM
Welcome to the club. I just pray we play to your strengths and don't expect you to spend the entire game chasing long punts up to you.

Has the potential to be a season defining signing, this one.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: seteefeet on August 07, 2018, 08:58:43 AM

Dunno but City win a lot of games with Aguero up front on his own, Liverpool likewise with Firmino, but what do Pep and Klopp know? Beats me.
Look at the players they have in behind though mate! That is where we are lacking, no midfield creativity and unless we address that Gayle will be a bit of a passenger.
Could be a very good bit of business but only if we change our approach to suit.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: skyclad99 on August 07, 2018, 09:10:24 AM
If we give this lad the service we could be in for a very good season.

Welcome to the club Dwight!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on August 07, 2018, 09:45:47 AM
Welcome Dwight, I'm a bit sceptical about the clubs ability to play to your strengths,
I reckon you will see loads of crosses flying over your head and long punts from defence, balls to feet or to run onto may be a scarcity sadly

but,  good luck son. I REALLY hope that I am reading this all wrong.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Westie on August 07, 2018, 10:10:39 AM
Yeah, welcome to a player who apparently didn’t want to come to us!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2018, 11:44:06 AM
Yeah, welcome to a player who apparently didn’t want to come to us!

Apparently ..
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: bradleysrocket on August 07, 2018, 12:06:33 PM
Yeah, welcome to a player who apparently didn’t want to come to us!
In today’s game players hold all the power. Make no mistake, if Gayle didn’t want to sign here he wouldn’t have.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on August 07, 2018, 12:09:32 PM
In today’s game players hold all the power. Make no mistake, if Gayle didn’t want to sign here he wouldn’t have.


That is true to be fair. In this day and age if a player doesn't want to go somewhere it doesn't happen simple as that.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 07, 2018, 12:12:00 PM
Yeah, welcome to a player who apparently didn’t want to come to us!

Maybe it was that he didn't want to come down to the Championship instead believing in his own ability to fight for and get a start at Newcastle in the premier league? Once it was clear that Rondon would be Benitez's first choice and Joselu the 2nd choice maybe he thought it was better to drop down and come to a club where he is more likely to be first choice.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Mooncat on August 07, 2018, 12:20:56 PM
And obviously the fact that he's probably on more as Newcastle than we were willing to pay under our wage structure - with the 50% flex down on wages we can't then look to sign players on PL wages otherwise we upset the rest of the squad.
Although not much has been said, I'd guess that Newcastle are still paying a % of Gayle's wages or some of the 'loan fee' we've had for Rondon is that in a lump sum.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2018, 12:22:13 PM
Maybe it was that he didn't want to come down to the Championship instead believing in his own ability to fight for and get a start at Newcastle in the premier league? Once it was clear that Rondon would be Benitez's first choice and Joselu the 2nd choice maybe he thought it was better to drop down and come to a club where he is more likely to be first choice.

Or, which i'm lead to believe, it was nothing to do with the league or WBA but purely wage cut which Newcastle are now paying half of
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: skyclad99 on August 07, 2018, 12:38:39 PM
Or, which i'm lead to believe, it was nothing to do with the league or WBA but purely wage cut which Newcastle are now paying half of

That's what I thought the problem was as well. From that it would seem that we drove a hard bargain because Newcastle clearly wanted Rondon, and they are paying half of Dwight's wages as well, and giving us a £2m loan fee. Only time will tell how good that deal really is.............
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 07, 2018, 12:51:37 PM
I personally think he didn't want the move initially because he likely thought "I've proven myself at that level" after his season with Newcastle, and wanted to establish himself in the PL, rather than him not wanting to leave Newcastle because he loves that club.

However, Benitez clearly didn't have him in his plans and on paper, we look like we are contenders to be fighting on the right end of the championship table and looking for promotion in the coming period. In his eyes, we might be his chance to establish himself as a key player within the team and eventually as a key player in the Premier League if he can help us get back there. Just my theory anyway.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 07, 2018, 12:55:11 PM
If we're going to play him, we've got to give him the right service. It's no use lumping it up to him, and we're going to need our passing to be more incisive. Hope he does well obviously, but I have my doubts.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: WBArgo on August 07, 2018, 10:21:04 PM
He played for 25 minutes today but his positioning was sheer class and he was ridiculously unlucky not to score.

Give him the service and he will score, now it's the rest of the team you have to worry about  ???
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Black Country Pride on August 07, 2018, 10:24:13 PM
Finally someone with a bit of movement and intelligent positioning. However, why was he sporting a cornish pasty on his head? Individualism is one thing but nonetheless...
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on August 07, 2018, 10:26:28 PM
He played for 25 minutes today but his positioning was sheer class and he was ridiculously unlucky not to score. Give him the service and he will score, now it's the rest of the team you have to worry about  ???

His touch and chest to put himself though on goal was class. Ball wouldn't sit for him to strike but he didn't panic and did alright, unlucky to hit the post. Also couldn't do anything with the header above him at the end. You could see how sharp he was getting in front of the defenders and running behind them. Panicked the Forest backline in a way none of the rest could. Expect him to start at the weekend.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on August 07, 2018, 10:27:43 PM
Pleased we seem to have a striker with a bit of pace and some instinct where the goal is.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on August 07, 2018, 10:30:47 PM
Gayle showed enough for me tonight to say he will score regularly in this league so we have a chance.
Sort the midfield out and it will improve.
Don't forget this,in the record books its a drawn match,not how we played.
How many teams will go to forest and get a point I wonder.
Were off the mark we've got a point on the board.
We can only improve it couldn't get much worse.
Get Dawson back now.
Then at least the defence would be organised.
It was always going to be hard to kick off this season with all the upheavals so a couple of wins changes everything.
Let's try and be a bit more positive on here instead of a lot of criticism.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheBrom on August 07, 2018, 10:32:11 PM
Looks an excellent signing on that short performance tonight. Also liked that he was getting involved with their keeper to stop him time wasting and seemed very vocal on the pitch too, so certainly isn't going to be shy and seems to care already.

Need to make sure we keep providing him the proper service. Do that and he'll get plenty of goals for us this season.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 07, 2018, 10:55:37 PM
Looked better than Rondon in those positions he found himself in.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: geoff on August 08, 2018, 12:12:01 AM
Looked better than Rondon in those positions he found himself in.

If Rondon had missed them chances would you have been so forgiving
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 08, 2018, 12:15:17 AM
If Rondon had missed them chances would you have been so forgiving


He'd be public enemy number one  :-X
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2018, 08:42:39 AM
Quite possibly potentially the best striker we have had since Odemwingie. hes got more movement we have had for 5 years
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: SirTonyM on August 08, 2018, 01:04:37 PM
Looked good and lively and will do well but personally think he should have scored the one that hit the post. A great chance
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: vrabbit on August 08, 2018, 05:45:06 PM
looked good in 30 minutes last night, we could do worse than pairing him and Rodriguez up front considering the alternatives
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 08, 2018, 09:39:35 PM
Agree with others - we looked a much better unit when he came on.

He offers us something that the others are devoid of - pace and movement.

His movement allows Barnes to take come in central and occupy the space that Gayle's movement has caused.

He will certainly have to be one of the first names on the team sheet going forward.

I am confident that given service he will score goals - but whether we provide him with the service is what remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 08, 2018, 09:48:17 PM
looked good in 30 minutes last night, we could do worse than pairing him and Rodriguez up front considering the alternatives
Well, we don't have any alternatives do we, given that Robson-Kanu is out of position when played as a striker and Darren obviously has insufficient faith in Edwards at this point in time.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 18, 2018, 08:22:59 PM
What a game this lad had today. Ran the channels, held the ball up and brought others into play. Drew fouls when under pressure, and has won 2 penalties today 3 in 3 games. (Helping JRods goal stats)

When he missed early on you could see his determination of character- glad he got his goal today, takes the monkey off his back. He should cause the large cumbersome boro defenders some issues next week.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Adder on August 18, 2018, 08:58:09 PM
What a game this lad had today. Ran the channels, held the ball up and brought others into play. Drew fouls when under pressure, and has won 2 penalties today 3 in 3 games. (Helping JRods goal stats)

When he missed early on you could see his determination of character- glad he got his goal today, takes the monkey off his back. He should cause the large cumbersome boro defenders some issues next week.
.....and he won the ball back last week for J-Rods long range goal. Good thing is, without going overboard we have several threats, so the opposition can't focus on blocking out just one threat.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: SirTonyM on August 18, 2018, 09:11:59 PM
His hunger is impressive, he helps us press high up and chases down lost causes. I also really like his movement he makes clever runs and pulls defenders all over the place.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: ashdoy on August 19, 2018, 07:29:22 AM
Works as hard as Rondón does so we’ve lost nothing in that aspect. Didn’t realise just how quick he was until yesterday.

Seems to be enjoying it also.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: The Joust on August 19, 2018, 07:44:45 AM
His off the ball movement is sensational. Does so much for the team without even having to ball.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: botters on August 19, 2018, 02:19:58 PM
Quicker, better movement and better finisher than Rondon, I would say we have got the better deal.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on August 19, 2018, 02:23:08 PM
Quicker, better movement and better finisher than Rondon, I would say we have got the better deal.


Definitely. Don't know what Newcastle were thinking but who cares. At this level at least he's a constant threat. We definitely got the better deal.

If we'd had Gayle and Harvey Barnes no way would we have gone down last season.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on August 19, 2018, 02:38:05 PM
Id say Gayle is a better player than Rondon. That's probably harsh on Rondon as it's only been a games so I'll reconsider later in the season.  At the moment though Gayle looks sharper and his running is superb.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 19, 2018, 03:11:59 PM
Completely different players asked to do completely different jobs.

Gayle suits us more as a bigger fish in a littler pond but Rondon is probably more suited to club that’s a smaller fish in a big pond.

Like comparing chalk and cheese really. And I think both clubs have benefitted equal amounts l.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on August 19, 2018, 03:23:44 PM
Completely different players asked to do completely different jobs.

Gayle suits us more as a bigger fish in a littler pond but Rondon is probably more suited to club that’s a smaller fish in a big pond.

Like comparing chalk and cheese really. And I think both clubs have benefitted equal amounts l.
Don't agree. Personally think Rondon is crap. he's a trier and he works hard but he's simply not good enough. BoTtom half of the Championship striker.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on August 19, 2018, 03:28:56 PM
I was half expecting J-Rod to let him take the second penalty, impressive to win three penalties in two games. His movement on the shoulder and sharpness in the box is too much for most championship teams.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on August 19, 2018, 03:58:11 PM
Gayle is much sharper than Rondon. Rondon always gave 100% but his problem was his anticipation was not great. His brain seemed to switch on a second too late meaning him just missing crosses, or having to snatch at a shot. Gayle looks like he can turn quicker and his finish yesterday showed good timing. I think we've got the better end off the deal.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 19, 2018, 04:26:52 PM
He was a little casual on the first goal, he really should have tucked that one away, rather than Phillips following up.

But...

That is the only minor thing I could say he did wrong. He was a livewire, his movement was superb, and the way he drew fouls was interesting - he never really dived or feigned anything, more just got himself into a position where the QPR player couldn't do anything else. I didn't feel the second one was a penalty, as I don't think he could have kept the ball in play, but that isn't his fault at all.

Very impressed, but can we please stop judging everything he did against Rondon. It's like judging Robert Earnshaw against Geoff Horsfield.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: albion59 on August 19, 2018, 04:42:10 PM
No comparison with Rondon Gayle class movement chasing back work rate shouting and encouraging those around him, and finishing. Rondon none of the above.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on August 19, 2018, 05:48:21 PM
As long we we can keep Gayle fit he's going to be massive for us this season. Delighted when we signed him and I think we've only seen bits of what he can do. Expecting a lot of goals when he gets on a run.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 19, 2018, 07:49:58 PM
Thought he was electric, movement and fight was fantastic
Forget comparing them, imagine him with Rondon ..
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on August 19, 2018, 07:53:03 PM
If we get promoted and he's happy at the Albion, buy him.
He's a clever intelligent player,I like him just what we needed.
He could get 20 this season,mind you so could the other 3 forwards.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Backofthenet on August 20, 2018, 12:27:15 PM
I'm no way comparing Gayle and Rondon but throwing in a curve ball.
Who could be seen as a better judge? Big Dave or Benitez ?
After all we got Gayle, Fulham got Mitrovic - Newcastle got Rondon  so who is the best judge.
And they reckon Benitez is a world class manager. What does that make Big Dave then?

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiebof on August 20, 2018, 12:34:42 PM
His movement on Saturday was excellent and his pace and threat of going in behind is something that really suits the style we tried to play and are attributes that we haven't had in recent years. I can however see why he isn't as effective at premier league level but I'm really pleased with him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 20, 2018, 12:36:03 PM
It's a good deal for all parties. Gayle has a seasons pedigree for scoring goals in the Championship yet is ineffective in the Premier League. Rondon is too good to play in the Championship. When we go up they will hopefully swap back.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 20, 2018, 02:01:37 PM
It's a good deal for all parties. Gayle has a seasons pedigree for scoring goals in the Championship yet is ineffective in the Premier League. Rondon is too good to play in the Championship. When we go up they will hopefully swap back.

Definitely not, they can keep Rondon should we go up. We need an additional target man to replace Rondon but we've badly needed someone in the Gayle mold for years, Rondon clearly doesn't really want to come back so provided Gayle's happy here i'd keep him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on August 20, 2018, 02:17:24 PM
I'd sell Rondon in a heartbeat. Vastly over-rated (by some) striker. I don't think he'll come back next season anyway.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on August 20, 2018, 02:25:01 PM
Similar striker to Super Kev
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wodenson46 on August 20, 2018, 03:25:50 PM
I was very doubtful about Gayle’s commitment and wanting to be here. Looks like I was wrong. He has so far only scored once but has been responsible for at least three, and his running and movement off the ball has been excellent. I repeat, and am very pleased to say I WAS WRONG about Mr Gayle long may he continue to impress.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on August 20, 2018, 04:39:31 PM
Or keep Gayle and Rondon if we get up!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 20, 2018, 04:43:15 PM
Or keep Gayle and Rondon if we get up!

Easier said than done, IF the comments attributed to Rondon when he left and the recently published interview are true he has no intentions of playing for us again.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on August 20, 2018, 04:47:20 PM
Unless Newcastle get relegated.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on August 20, 2018, 04:51:42 PM
Just seen that bet365 have Gayle at 16/1 to finish as championships highest scorer
Jay R is 6/1

I may have a little dabble on DG at that price

Oh and a certain fat lad at Stoke is 50/1
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 20, 2018, 05:06:29 PM
Unless Newcastle get relegated.
even if that happened I don't think he'd want to come back. I think he'd prefer to go to an easier league in Europe.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: 1954 on August 20, 2018, 05:32:59 PM
......... I didn't feel the second one was a penalty, as I don't think he could have kept the ball in play, but that isn't his fault at all.


Whether he could keep ball in play or not has nothing to do with it. If you are brought down in the box it's a penalty! Siiiiimples  :D
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: skyclad99 on August 20, 2018, 05:42:40 PM
Just seen that bet365 have Gayle at 16/1 to finish as championships highest scorer
Jay R is 6/1

I may have a little dabble on DG at that price

Oh and a certain fat lad at Stoke is 50/1

Cheers Albionic

Had £10 on it myself. I see that Jay has shorter odds, but we may lose him in January to a struggling Premier club, and Dwight will be with us all season, so it makes sense....
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BB74 on August 21, 2018, 06:52:08 AM
Looks like he has two cornish pasties on his head.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on August 21, 2018, 12:03:09 PM
Looks like he has two cornish pasties on his head.

If he puts the ball in the net he can have a saveloy on his barnet for all I care.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on August 21, 2018, 12:22:14 PM
The Toon questioning Rafa's logic for letting him leave

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/08/21/do-bring-him-back-newcastle-fans-fear-benitez-made-mistake-with/
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Mister AT on August 21, 2018, 01:49:16 PM
Really warmed to Gayle.

Knows where the net is, his workrate is there, seems a nice bloke, have seen numerous posts of him posing for pics with fans etc.

Would love it if we could some how tie him down to a permanent deal but I cant see that happening unless we go up and Newcastle have an amazing season and think they can attract a 'world class' striker.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on August 21, 2018, 01:52:04 PM
Really warmed to Gayle.

Knows where the net is, his workrate is there, seems a nice bloke, have seen numerous posts of him posing for pics with fans etc.

Would love it if we could some how tie him down to a permanent deal but I cant see that happening unless we go up and Newcastle have an amazing season and think they can attract a 'world class' striker.

2 things wrong with that
a) the toon fans think they can attract anyone, anytime, as they are a big club whahey man
b) Ashley will not spend big, he has stated they are a selling club.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 21, 2018, 01:55:34 PM
Really warmed to Gayle.

Knows where the net is, his workrate is there, seems a nice bloke, have seen numerous posts of him posing for pics with fans etc.

Would love it if we could some how tie him down to a permanent deal but I cant see that happening unless we go up and Newcastle have an amazing season and think they can attract a 'world class' striker.
wasn’t part of the loan deal that we will buy Gayle at season’s end no matter what happens? Correct me if I’m wrong.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: skyclad99 on August 21, 2018, 02:02:19 PM
I really like this chap, wants to play, has a great attitude and is a real menace in the box as QPR found out.

I saw that when Rondon came on in the first game, he missed a clear cut chance from 8 yards........thats the Rondon we know and love!

We have got the better part of this deal by a long way, I only hope that there is no early recall aspect to it......
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on August 21, 2018, 02:12:43 PM
As I've previously stated,stranger things have happened,Newcastle get relegated and we get promoted.
Or Dwight is really happy and appreciated and wants to stay if promoted and hands in a transfer request or he has a buy out clause.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on August 21, 2018, 02:13:02 PM
Gayle looks really really good.  He's incredibly quick, works hard, is always making good runs and moving the defence around, that's what has made it easier for the attacking players to find space.  HRK and J-Rod didn't do enough of that.

He should have put away the chance he had for the first goal though, I'd criticise Rondon for missing that so fair's fair.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Mister AT on August 21, 2018, 02:44:41 PM
wasn’t part of the loan deal that we will buy Gayle at season’s end no matter what happens? Correct me if I’m wrong.

I don't believe there is the option to buy him included. Just had a quick look on the official site and nothing mentioned when it was announced we had him on loan.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 21, 2018, 06:46:18 PM
I don't believe there is the option to buy him included. Just had a quick look on the official site and nothing mentioned when it was announced we had him on loan.

Didn't Wilson tweet when this was all going through the hold up was because both players wanted the options to buy included in terms?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheBrom on September 22, 2018, 06:02:37 PM
A striker like Dwight is what we’ve been missing the last few seasons. Wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up championship top scorer again. Seems to have a really good attitude as well, always giving 100%
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on September 22, 2018, 08:31:24 PM
A striker like Dwight is what we’ve been missing the last few seasons. Wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up championship top scorer again. Seems to have a really good attitude as well, always giving 100%

Agree 100%.
Some strikers anticipate where to be at the right time, and get the timing right. I've always preferred mobile strikers who can turn quickly, such as Kevin Phillips, rather than big physical target men who are less mobile and alot more predictable for defenders.   
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: paulosull on September 22, 2018, 09:10:08 PM
Hope they haven't got a recall clause in loan deal as rumours of Rafa leaving in January if funds aren't made available.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mulliganstired on September 22, 2018, 09:25:37 PM
Agree 100%.
Some strikers anticipate where to be at the right time, and get the timing right. I've always preferred mobile strikers who can turn quickly, such as Kevin Phillips, rather than big physical target men who are less mobile and alot more predictable for defenders.
One of each can be good, though
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 22, 2018, 09:38:34 PM
Disagree with the Super Kev comparisons. Super Kev was a cut above every striker we've had in recent times (including Lukaku) in my opinion. Phillips had so much going for him, was a class act.

What he does have is a great first touch in front of goal and the ability to finish. More Earnshaw-esque in my opinion.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mulliganstired on September 22, 2018, 11:07:38 PM
Disagree with the Super Kev comparisons. Super Kev was a cut above every striker we've had in recent times (including Lukaku) in my opinion. Phillips had so much going for him, was a class act.

What he does have is a great first touch in front of goal and the ability to finish. More Earnshaw-esque in my opinion.
Got a little bit of the Ally Brown about him, you don't notice him until he pops up in the right place and scores
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Baggies on September 22, 2018, 11:17:48 PM
I had my doubts about the signing, not because he couldn't cut it at this level, but because I felt Rondon had a far superior record to Gayle throughout his career so swapping them was a negative move.

In the end though, Moore made the right call. As Rondon struggles to make an impact early on at Newcastle, Gayle is proving unplayable, scoring or setting up goals in every game. A great second tier striker and one who could get us promoted.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on September 23, 2018, 01:39:07 PM
Disagree with the Super Kev comparisons. Super Kev was a cut above every striker we've had in recent times (including Lukaku) in my opinion. Phillips had so much going for him, was a class act.

What he does have is a great first touch in front of goal and the ability to finish. More Earnshaw-esque in my opinion.

I agree KP is easily the most effective Albion striker I've seen (and I go back to watching Don Goodman). Super Kev had the lot really, tight ball control, clean strike of the ball, and an instinct to be in the right place at the right time. I'm just saying Gayle's style of play is similar, but clearly he has a long way to go match what KP achieved in his long career.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on September 23, 2018, 04:30:11 PM
His movement is superb as well, not just his touch and finishing in the box. He understands how to hurt teams, when to run, when to stand still and links great with runners. Superb signing, we would have been mid-table if he's played for us last season.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tylerm on September 23, 2018, 06:35:58 PM
Can we arrange a permanent swap please before Newcastle realise how we have stitched them up. If we do get promoted I really can’t see how losing Gayle and having Rondon back helps us.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 29, 2018, 07:41:27 PM
idiots from clayhead land saying why he sign for them when we could have had him. idiots. they had no pawn for starters

go up we keep him simples.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on September 29, 2018, 08:46:17 PM
idiots from clayhead land saying why he sign for them when we could have had him. idiots. they had no pawn for starters

go up we keep him simples.
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Don't think it is.
It was reported a few weeks ago that an offer of £200k/week was on offer for him in China
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 29, 2018, 09:13:00 PM
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Don't think it is.
It was reported a few weeks ago that an offer of £200k/week was on offer for him in China
by whom?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 29, 2018, 09:28:31 PM
I think we have to resign ourselves to the fact, that he won't be here after January.
The same for Barnes.
Because of our lack of foresight and being a Scrooge company, we shall unfortunately plummet.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: frazzle on September 29, 2018, 09:39:13 PM
I think we have to resign ourselves to the fact, that he won't be here after January.
The same for Barnes.
Because of our lack of foresight and being a Scrooge company, we shall unfortunately plummet.

I take it this is tongue in cheek. Anyway, Gayle stays because he’s part of a season swap so not the same as Barnes.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 29, 2018, 10:07:44 PM
I think we have to resign ourselves to the fact, that he won't be here after January.
The same for Barnes.
Because of our lack of foresight and being a Scrooge company, we shall unfortunately plummet.


Gayle is with us until May irrespective, that said he's a completely different (ineffective) player in the top division.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 29, 2018, 10:25:18 PM

Gayle is with us until May irrespective, that said he's a completely different (ineffective) player in the top division.

But we may have to keep him as a best option for the tricky first season back, but then, I'm getting ahead of myself.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: KN22 on September 29, 2018, 11:19:57 PM

Gayle is with us until May irrespective, that said he's a completely different (ineffective) player in the top division.
Dont agree. He can score goals in the top flight.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 29, 2018, 11:35:06 PM
Dont agree. He can score goals in the top flight.


Yup, 5 his best in a season I believe?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: swad35 on September 29, 2018, 11:46:37 PM
Great signing by the club. IF we are able to keep him and if we go up a season of goal scoring in the championship would do his confidence the world of good, so who knows what he would do in the prem. As for his previous goal scoring record, I personally would have to look at his injury record, time played, team style of play and his playing position before I could write him off. Whatever we are doing to get him scoring seems to be working. I do accept however our style when we get promoted will be more defensive.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on September 30, 2018, 07:19:33 AM
by whom?

Birmingham Mail


https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/dwight-gayle-china-newcastle-transfer-15130258
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Yardley on September 30, 2018, 09:10:58 AM
I think it will cost us big to sign Gayle next season. It cost Fulham 22 million for Mitrovic who had a decent half season on loan to them, and he was a player we were looking to sign for just 11 million before then. Plus if Newcastle go down which I can see happening then they would be crazy to sell him. Unfortunately we’ve going to get Rondon back who will have had a poor season with a year left of has contract
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on September 30, 2018, 09:53:46 AM
There are a lot of its and buts with Gayle.
Is he happy with us,seems to be.
Is nufc a happy place,never is.
He's playing every week with us,not at nufc.
He's scoring goals with us and the fans love him.
Does he have a buyout clause?
He like any player wants to play in the premier league,why not with us if we get there.
What if nufc are relegated?
What if Newcastle change ownership and manager?
Does he want big wages?
Would he put in a transfer request?
What if a new nufc manager/owners want him to stay? Etc etc
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: KN22 on September 30, 2018, 10:14:49 AM

Yup, 5 his best in a season I believe?
Hardly played every game in the Premier for Newcastle. The goals are the same size whatever the division. Take the free kick he scored yesterday as an example of what he can do... in any division. Sign him up, he’s a big improvement on Rondon.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: MICKYMEL on September 30, 2018, 10:38:51 AM
Played for defensive managers in top flight and used so much as a sub and sometimes as lone striker.
In a team that has a go and as part of a front two he gets goals in top flight.
IF we go up we have to get him in. May take £18m but a goal scorer is worth it
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on September 30, 2018, 11:25:17 AM
Best striker we've had since Pete and Phillips. Would be in the bottom half of the league without him, not top. Thank god for Rafa Benitez.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 30, 2018, 11:35:31 AM
Best striker we've had since Pete and Phillips. Would be in the bottom half of the league without him, not top. Thank god for Rafa Benitez.
I'm sure the league wouldn't want us to start each match with 10...
I reckon they would let us sign someone else
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on September 30, 2018, 11:53:55 AM
There are a lot of its and buts with Gayle.
Is he happy with us,seems to be.
Is nufc a happy place,never is.
He's playing every week with us,not at nufc.
He's scoring goals with us and the fans love him.
Does he have a buyout clause?
He like any player wants to play in the premier league,why not with us if we get there.
What if nufc are relegated?
What if Newcastle change ownership and manager?
Does he want big wages?
Would he put in a transfer request?
What if a new nufc manager/owners want him to stay? Etc etc

Some answers contracted to 2021 at Newcastle wages thought to be £40k a week. At 28 next month that 3 years pretty much takes him into the twilight of his top level career.

Never played for a Premier League team whose lead striker was ever going to score 20 goals in a season and has generally played for managers whose prime concern is sitting deep and grinding points out. This does not play to his strengths but there is nothing to say that would be different should we be in the Premier League.

Despite rumours to the contrary the ownership issues at Newcastle in all probability won't be resolved anytime soon and even if they are Benitiz looks like a fixture so for the time being it is Benetiz's opinion that counts.

As it stands at the moment Rondon comes back to us at the end of the season and the hierarchy at Newcastle seem to have got that decision right and the easiest route to his signature (e.g. a straight swap) is off the table.

There are 2 stumbling blocks 1. Our promotion and 2. Rumours of £200k a week being on the table in China. If we don't achieve promotion completely and utterly a none runner. If the the offer from China is real then he would be mad not to take it. He hasn't that long left in the game and I have no idea what his plans are after leaving the game but that sort of money would feather his nest for the next few decades.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 30, 2018, 12:17:25 PM
7 goals in 23 apps inc 15 sub apps in 2013/14
5 goals in 25 apps inc 14 sub apps in 2014/15
3 goals in 16 apps inc 8 sub apps in 2015/16
6 goals in 35 apps inc 12 sub apps in 2017/18

So probably on a par with strikers we've had before with the odd exception. Cannot see us signing him after this season given the fee they will be asking and if the move to China is still on the cards but who knows
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on September 30, 2018, 07:26:35 PM
It’s pointless speculating over signing him next summer at this stage. Not even into  October yet on our championship campaign. I’m just happy we’ve got a decent striker for once.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on September 30, 2018, 08:08:38 PM
Whoever masterminded the Gayle/ Rondon swap really got it absolutely right.  Gayle is so much more clinical and composed where it counts, in front of goal.  He has the instinct to be in the right place at the right time whereas Rondon always seemed to arrive a second too late. That Rondon says he wants to stay at Newcastle is fine by me, but the question is will he have got found out by the end of this season (if he hasn't already). 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: frazzle on September 30, 2018, 08:15:34 PM
Whoever masterminded the Gayle/ Rondon swap really got it absolutely right.  Gayle is so much more clinical and composed where it counts, in front of goal.  He has the instinct to be in the right place at the right time whereas Rondon always seemed to arrive a second too late. That Rondon says he wants to stay at Newcastle is fine by me, but the question is will he have got found out by the end of this season (if he hasn't already).

Rondon won’t be saying that if Newcastle go down. The fact is that we have the better striker in Gayle, regardless of what league we are in. Rondon wouldn’t have won the penalties, he would have scored either of the goals against Stoke and I’ve never seen him score a free kick in a competitive game for us. They could work well together but to be honest I don’t think Rondon would work in this side.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie38 on September 30, 2018, 09:03:58 PM
Newcastle can keep Rondon as far as I'm concerned. Like the poster above says I don't think he would of worked in this system
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tylerm on September 30, 2018, 09:23:36 PM
Whoever masterminded the Gayle/ Rondon swap really got it absolutely right.  Gayle is so much more clinical and composed where it counts, in front of goal.  He has the instinct to be in the right place at the right time whereas Rondon always seemed to arrive a second too late. That Rondon says he wants to stay at Newcastle is fine by me, but the question is will he have got found out by the end of this season (if he hasn't already).

I have always said Rondon is poor. Problem we have is Newcastle won’t want to buy him so he will have to come back.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: 17GD on September 30, 2018, 10:06:06 PM
I don't know how much of an impact it could have, but aside from difference in style, could the fact that Gayle is English and played his football in England through his career make the ultimate difference?

Out of the two I'd take Dwight all day. He always seems happy and I'm sure that has an impact on his game.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on September 30, 2018, 10:13:03 PM
He seems happy and glad to be with us just playing and scoring for fun,that's what he does.
I wouldn't fancy playing for the Geordie's,they're never happy bunnies are they?
They've always been moaners ad far back as I can remember.
I can remember Malcolm MacDonald et al,they were bigheads then but still moaning.
They need to realise who they are,they are not a big club.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: stoxman on October 01, 2018, 06:28:09 PM
In an ideal world I’d prefer Rondon and Gayle to Rodriguez and Gayle.   There are times that we are crying out for someone to hold the ball up and I think he would partner and feed Gayle the service.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on October 01, 2018, 06:43:51 PM
Trouble is mate,jrod can score rondon can't.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BigFrank20 on October 02, 2018, 09:51:40 AM
How's Rondon doing up there? Not seen his name much now I've pretty much stopped looking at the Prem results and news
COYB
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 02, 2018, 01:24:56 PM
How's Rondon doing up there? Not seen his name much now I've pretty much stopped looking at the Prem results and news
COYB

Currently out with a thigh injury picked up against Crystal Palace. He's been a bit part player either subbed or used as a sub. 5 games in all competitions 1 goal in league cup and 1 assist in league.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on October 05, 2018, 07:10:25 AM
Dwight Gayle named player of the month

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/october/duo-scoop-september-awards/

Would have been my nomination just for the opening goal against Stoke.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 05, 2018, 07:53:45 AM
Dwight Gayle named player of the month

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/october/duo-scoop-september-awards/

Would have been my nomination just for the opening goal against Stoke.

Another well deserved award (along with Darren Moore's). Gayle's attitude has been great since he has arrived and generally he has linked well with Rodriguez and the midfield. A natural goalscorer which is always a plus. Hope he gets more goals tomorrow.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: dan7heman on October 06, 2018, 09:07:05 PM
This lad will get us promoted. Get him signed permanent, I think he's good enough for the prem.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BalisPen on October 06, 2018, 10:11:01 PM
It was a masterstroke signing DG and basically getting him for the season for free because the & 2m loan fee for rondon probably pays for his wages.

The key to our success is going to be keeping him fit for the whole season.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Nocky on October 07, 2018, 12:52:26 AM
The difference between top 2 and playoff chasers. Absolutely deadly.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheBrom on October 07, 2018, 10:19:36 AM
(http://i66.tinypic.com/167tm6s.png)

Gayle’s tribute after scoring his first yesterday.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: MICKYMEL on October 07, 2018, 10:27:05 AM
Got to sign him permanently. We won’t get Barnes but we must get him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Wigmore on October 07, 2018, 10:56:25 AM
Sorry, this can't happen. The permanently downbeat posters on here have repeatedly informed us that, come the end of the season, he will not be here.
And, of course the pessimists are always correct, aren't they? ;)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on October 07, 2018, 11:16:45 AM
What's wrong with realistic optimism mate?
Of course we should try and buy both players if possible?
Who knows,they both might love it with us and want to stay.
Great if we could sign them but if not we move on.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: KYA on October 07, 2018, 11:46:23 AM
What's wrong with realistic optimism mate?
Of course we should try and buy both players if possible?
Who knows,they both might love it with us and want to stay.
Great if we could sign them but if not we move on.
What do you think they would cost on current form?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: 1954 on October 07, 2018, 12:11:25 PM
I'm well aware that the Rondon/Gayle deal was trumpeted at the time (& since) as being a season long loan deal but everything Rondon said afterwards implied that he had left us permanently & was a Newcastle player & how much he was looking forward to it. Unfortunately these sentiments weren't echoed in our favour by Gayle  :(
Has any body else wondered what is the meaning of Gayle's goal celebration routine where it looks like he's phoning someone? Might be calling Rafa? Reminds me of Kamara indicating JP was barmy .
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on October 07, 2018, 12:18:19 PM
What do you think they would cost on current form?
Too much !! Have to min of £20m each, in today’s market
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: KYA on October 07, 2018, 12:26:49 PM
Too much !! Have to min of £20m each, in today’s market
Agreed but that's what we will have to spend if we get back in the Premiership and want to stay there.
Personally, I think we could get Gale" pay the money" but can't see Leicester selling Barnes.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: barnestormer on October 07, 2018, 12:41:30 PM
Not a chance in hell of securing Gayle as he will be needed back at toon to do his rescue act again when they get relegated again next year
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on October 07, 2018, 02:06:29 PM
Gayle seems very happy here,not so happy at toon.
If we get up and toon go soon,where would you play?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mulliganstired on October 07, 2018, 02:11:07 PM
Gayle seems very happy here,not so happy at toon.
If we get up and toon go soon,where would you play?
Exactly.  We all know that players can force moves if the really want.  Rodriguez and Gayle would do us well in the prem.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on October 07, 2018, 03:49:36 PM
Got to sign him permanently. We won’t get Barnes but we must get him.

Maybe I can make a case for or against.

The starting point is for us to sign him permanently we have to be in the Premier League forget all other scenarios. 

If we aren't going to play to his strengths and revert back to a deep sitting block then it would be a bad move for player and club. Even if we at least to try to play football as a Premier League club we  might have other options.

Either way there is a lot of water to flow under a lot of bridges before this is an issue.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on October 07, 2018, 05:55:50 PM
Not sure if im reading too far into it, but i noticed Gayle liked an instagram comment the other day that said "Hopefully we'll get you here permanently". He seems pretty happy here in my eyes.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Andio on October 07, 2018, 06:17:11 PM
Has any body else wondered what is the meaning of Gayle's goal celebration routine where it looks like he's phoning someone?

Wonder no more, it's "Dial G for goals".
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lewisant on October 07, 2018, 06:19:12 PM
Wonder no more, it's "Dial G for goals".

It was on one of the Programmes, right?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: barnestormer on October 07, 2018, 06:27:38 PM
Not sure if im reading too far into it, but i noticed Gayle liked an instagram comment the other day that said "Hopefully we'll get you here permanently". He seems pretty happy here in my eyes.
Hopefully if us and toon pass each other in going up and them down along with Gayle's shorter remaining contract with them he may think bugga this I want my proper shot in the prem as he ain't had one yet and stay put here.his remaining contract length will have a big bearing on the fee though
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mulliganstired on October 07, 2018, 06:33:38 PM
He's got the poacher's knack, watch Barnes goal yesterday, he was right there if it had hit the post or been fingertipped by the keeper.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on October 07, 2018, 07:49:47 PM
He's got the poacher's knack, watch Barnes goal yesterday, he was right there if it had hit the post or been fingertipped by the keeper.

And Rondon still to score for Newcastle, though I believe he's out injured at present.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BalisPen on October 07, 2018, 08:27:56 PM
Hopefully if us and toon pass each other in going up and them down along with Gayle's shorter remaining contract with them he may think bugga this I want my proper shot in the prem as he ain't had one yet and stay put here.his remaining contract length will have a big bearing on the fee though

His contract is up next summer, but Newcastle may have a year's option like we have activated on rondon's contract.

If not then the detestable Mike Ashley probably take £3-5m in Jan rather than nothing in June.

In an ideal world we keep him until June and then sign him on a free.

That scenario would more than make up for the Burke signing in my eyes.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: deebo on October 08, 2018, 08:25:29 AM
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/dwight-gayle/profil/spieler/196522

Link above says his contract with Newcastle is until 2021.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 08, 2018, 08:36:01 AM
unless we got big bucks we have no chance of signing Gayle or Barnes
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 08, 2018, 08:46:14 AM
Personally,  I feel that for as long as Benitez remains Newcastle manager, there is a decent chance of us signing Gayle as he is surplus to requirements under him. We have little or no chance of signing Barnes, however, both in terms of price and the players interest in a permanent move here.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albion79 on October 08, 2018, 11:26:51 AM
I think it was either in the Sun or Mirror on saturday, there was an interview with Gayle.

I know they are not the bible for football stuff and i was reading a copy whilst waiting for something but Gayle was asked about if he was interested in making the move permanent and he said of course he was, he loved it at the Albion and would be happy to move permanent at the end of his loan but said the club may not still want him, and other things may happen, but he indicated from his side he is happy.

He also said he prefers the championship as a striker as you get more chances and the games are more open where in the premier league you are asked to do more defensive work and when you play the top 6, you know 90% of the time they will win, to be fair to him i think he has mainly had more defensive minded managers in the past , if we did go up then based on Big Daves approach so far i dont think he would have to worry about that!

We would probably lose some games 15-5 but also win some too and create lots more chances than our previous times in the premier league!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on October 08, 2018, 11:32:25 AM
Thanks for your clarification 79, very interesting that was in the paper,instead of guessing like others seem to do.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Wigmore on October 08, 2018, 11:41:47 AM
Thanks for your clarification 79, very interesting that was in the paper,instead of guessing like others seem to do.
Sadly, the fact that a newspaper prints stories does not automatically make them any more accurate than a spectator's guesswork.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on October 08, 2018, 12:01:08 PM
Fake news is prevalent nowadays unfortunately.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Dan87uk on October 08, 2018, 04:07:44 PM
Couldn't be more pleased with how Gayle is playing for us and I'd be of mind to suggest we try and make the move permanent in January before Newcastle realise that Rondon is not up to the job for them.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Mooncat on October 08, 2018, 04:27:34 PM
He's not exactly pulling up trees for them, but then they may be saying the same about Gayle - lets sell him while they think he's good in the Championship
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: graka on October 08, 2018, 11:11:42 PM
I'd still like to see rondon play for us and sign Gayle if we go up.
For me rondon holds the ball up better than jay rod and Gayle is a better finisher than jay and if we do go back up different options are needed.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: 17GD on October 09, 2018, 02:04:56 AM
I thought it was Dial G for Gayle
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tylerm on October 09, 2018, 10:34:14 AM
I'd still like to see rondon play for us and sign Gayle if we go up.
For me rondon holds the ball up better than jay rod and Gayle is a better finisher than jay and if we do go back up different options are needed.

In my opinion Rondon is suited to Pulis football. If we have to swop him back for Gayle we will be miles worse off.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: KN22 on October 09, 2018, 12:55:56 PM
 Whatever division we find ourselves in next season I would want Gayle permanently. Let Rondon stay where he is or move elsewhere. The guy works incredibly hard but just does not score enough goals.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Mister AT on November 25, 2018, 07:31:40 PM
Bolasie posted a picture on Instagram saying we know what colour the city  is...

To which Gayle has commented with the baggies colours.

Got to love him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 10, 2018, 03:29:46 AM
The mans goals to minutes for ratio for us I imagine is very good. I can't think of him missing a chance either. Defiantly our most potent weapon. I was a doubter of his before he signed but he's shut me up well and truly
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 10, 2018, 04:11:48 AM
The mans goals to minutes for ratio for us I imagine is very good. I can't think of him missing a chance either. Defiantly our most potent weapon. I was a doubter of his before he signed but he's shut me up well and truly
It's difficult to think of anyone else in our squad who could have taken that chance that well on Friday?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on December 10, 2018, 08:47:23 AM
It's difficult to think of anyone else in our squad who could have taken that chance that well on Friday?


Barnes is about the only other one I'd say.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: SmethDan on December 10, 2018, 01:13:34 PM
The mans goals to minutes for ratio for us I imagine is very good. I can't think of him missing a chance either. Defiantly our most potent weapon. I was a doubter of his before he signed but he's shut me up well and truly

Missed a header against Villa  ;) . In fairness though his conversion rate is better than Jay Rod's by some distance. Somebody posted a link to our conversion rates the other week (can't remember if it was on here or on Unofficial) but I can't find it now. I'll have a look and post it if/when I do.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Oldbury24 on December 10, 2018, 03:44:04 PM
Gayle is an instinctive finisher, in a way that J-Rod isn't, he seems to stay very calm in the moment which is one of the key qualities for any top striker. The header was a chance but not a given, he made sure he got above the defender early but then could not control the header, it would have been an absolute cracker if he had scored.

He does not have the physicality of some really top strikers, which is why he might struggle a bit in the top division when the best defenders are not only stronger but have pace to match.  But in this division his skill set of pace and finishing is spot on. 

What I also like about him is that he really buzzes around making a right nuisance of himself when not in possession, he seems to have a real hunger for the game.   The difference between his entrance as sub the previous game, and Burke's cameo on Friday was north and south. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: skyclad99 on December 10, 2018, 03:54:53 PM
Gayle is an instinctive finisher, in a way that J-Rod isn't, he seems to stay very calm in the moment which is one of the key qualities for any top striker. The header was a chance but not a given, he made sure he got above the defender early but then could not control the header, it would have been an absolute cracker if he had scored.

He does not have the physicality of some really top strikers, which is why he might struggle a bit in the top division when the best defenders are not only stronger but have pace to match.  But in this division his skill set of pace and finishing is spot on. 

What I also like about him is that he really buzzes around making a right nuisance of himself when not in possession, he seems to have a real hunger for the game.   The difference between his entrance as sub the previous game, and Burke's cameo on Friday was north and south.

He reminds me a bit of Paul Peschisolido - when he played against us he was a real pain and you couldnt take your eye of him, so I was rather pleased when we signed him. For me Gayle is in the same mould, you know he only needs half a chance and as you say he buzzes around and makes a real nuisance of himself... something that has been missing from our game in recent times.

Love the bloke and I really hope he stays......even if we go up.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 10, 2018, 03:57:57 PM
He's scored a goal every 113 minutes this season. It's criminal every time he doesn't start when fit.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Oldbury24 on December 10, 2018, 04:35:58 PM
He's scored a goal every 113 minutes this season. It's criminal every time he doesn't start when fit.

I have to admit that I was happy to have Gayle on the bench for three main reasons. 

a) Loyalty to a winning side in a formation that suits Barnes/JRod/HRK
b) Keeps him fresh and hungry
c) The thought of a double sub of Gayle and Sakho coming on second half was one to strike fear.

However, I don't think anybody could have anticipated just how poor JRod's finishing was going to be - he had shown glimpses in other games but Brentford was something else, and only matched in my experience this season by a certain Tammy Abraham  ;D   So yes, Gayle must start as he and Barnes are our only guarantee of goals. 


 

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: chipperclark on December 10, 2018, 11:35:58 PM
Missed a header against Villa  ;) . In fairness though his conversion rate is better than Jay Rod's by some distance. Somebody posted a link to our conversion rates the other week (can't remember if it was on here or on Unofficial) but I can't find it now. I'll have a look and post it if/when I do.
;D Give him a break he is only 5 foot tall and not expected to jump six feet for a difficult ball.LOL. ;D
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: SmethDan on December 11, 2018, 01:00:13 PM
Missed a header against Villa  ;) . In fairness though his conversion rate is better than Jay Rod's by some distance. Somebody posted a link to our conversion rates the other week (can't remember if it was on here or on Unofficial) but I can't find it now. I'll have a look and post it if/when I do.

Found it.

Ten goals from 26 chances as opposed to ten goals form 46 chances for the Hand of Rod (cheers Jay and SOTV 8) ).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/top-scorers
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on December 30, 2018, 12:46:50 PM
Anybody with any inside news regarding his injury? Haven't seen anything official confirming the extent of it.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 30, 2018, 06:58:34 PM
We would be mad to rush him back for Blackburn/Wigan
And he'd only be on the bench vs narwich

We should get Defoe in on loan till end of season, be amazing for us
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: paulosull on December 30, 2018, 10:57:07 PM
We would be mad to rush him back for Blackburn/Wigan
And he'd only be on the bench vs narwich

We should get Defoe in on loan till end of season, be amazing for us
not another 30 plus player who will be sitting on bench or god for bid take Gayles place. Moore needs to get in player's that he hasn't played against or with ffs.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: albion59 on December 30, 2018, 11:10:51 PM
not another 30 plus player who will be sitting on bench or god for bid take Gayles place. Moore needs to get in player's that he hasn't played against or with ffs.
Where as Moore said he wants Defoe?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: frazzle on December 31, 2018, 08:09:24 AM
not another 30 plus player who will be sitting on bench or god for bid take Gayles place. Moore needs to get in player's that he hasn't played against or with ffs.

Don’t understand the last comment.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheBrom on February 13, 2019, 12:28:54 AM
No one going to mention the embarrassing dive?

Think we also need a better way to fit him in the team than shunting him out wide. Not only does it not benefit him, but we lose any width on the left hand side too. Every time we went forward tonight it was down the right.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 13, 2019, 12:35:56 AM
No one going to mention the embarrassing dive?

Think we also need a better way to fit him in the team than shunting him out wide. Not only does it not benefit him, but we lose any width on the left hand side too. Every time we went forward tonight it was down the right.

Thought it was a penalty at the time, having seen it back, very poor and I hope it doesn't result in a ban
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: paulosull on February 13, 2019, 12:58:09 AM
Thought it was a penalty at the time, having seen it back, very poor and I hope it doesn't result in a ban
biased Dingle Don is the only person calling for ban, O'Neil happy with refs assessment
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 13, 2019, 12:59:32 AM
Why would he get banned? Have I missed a rule change regards retrospective bans for simulation?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on February 13, 2019, 06:59:50 AM
No one going to mention the embarrassing dive?

Think we also need a better way to fit him in the team than shunting him out wide. Not only does it not benefit him, but we lose any width on the left hand side too. Every time we went forward tonight it was down the right.

Ying and Yang.
Its happened to us enough times, lets move on.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 13, 2019, 07:44:51 AM
Why would he get banned? Have I missed a rule change regards retrospective bans for simulation?

I thought that and had a look but cant see anything. While there was no contact he was blocked and if he had not dived there would of been contact so I doubt even if there was retrospective it is not clear cut.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: NathWBA on February 13, 2019, 09:09:16 AM
Why would he get banned? Have I missed a rule change regards retrospective bans for simulation?

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10968749/diving-bans-abba-penalties-more-substitutes-the-201718-efl-rules

Efl rules state you can be retro banned if found to have deceived the ref
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 13, 2019, 09:11:58 AM
People seem to have forgotten the Niasse incident where he picked up a couple of games for successfully deceiving the referee. It is all about 'successful deception', if you dive and do not get the penalty, nothing can be done retrospectively, but Gayle could be if they so desired and wanted to make an example of him.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: NathWBA on February 13, 2019, 09:13:10 AM
I thought that and had a look but cant see anything. While there was no contact he was blocked and if he had not dived there would of been contact so I doubt even if there was retrospective it is not clear cut.
having read your comments in the after match thread and now this one I really struggle to understand what game you watched, whether you just permanently have blue and white tinted glasses on I don’t know but that’s a clear dive, the defender stepping across him to shield the ball would not have been a foul.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on February 13, 2019, 09:17:49 AM
Dunno, watched it a few times and while I would be annoyed if it was given against us it wouldn't surprise me.  Gayle got a toe on the ball and the defenders weren't shielding the ball they stepped across and there was nowhere to go.  If it had happened in the middle of the park it would have been a foul.  Wasn't much different to what Dawson did in the last minute except Dawson stepped backwards to block the player off rather than forwards.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 13, 2019, 09:19:48 AM
It was a dive, but it was hardly like the Cazorla one with Steven Reid stood by him all those years ago at Arsenal, so I would be shocked if action was taken.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on February 13, 2019, 09:24:26 AM
Just watched it back a few more times, there's definitely an outstretched leg that Gayle would have made contact with but he has thrown himself over it.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 13, 2019, 09:39:02 AM
Just watched it back a few more times, there's definitely an outstretched leg that Gayle would have made contact with but he has thrown himself over it.

Agree mate, blatant dive over the outstretched leg if he stayed on his feet it would of tripped him
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: johnny Cash on February 13, 2019, 09:54:00 AM
It was a dive and we would be livid if it had been against us and calling for a ban, I’m certain of it.

Interesting how people try and rationalise things when they go in our favour. We have been lucky penalties haven’t been given against us against forest and stoke.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Dan87uk on February 13, 2019, 10:08:50 AM
from my vantage point in the Brummie road it looked like a clear pen, was only when I was on the way back to the car hearing/reading about it that it might have been dubious.

Have since seen the replay from diff angle and; as noted by some already; I'd have been livid if it was given against us.

That said, for me, it was Karma for the previous 89 mins where the ref seemed to give them every little free kick. Blatant red card for Grabban as well earlier on.

It's about time we started getting the rub of the green once in a while.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: SmethDan on February 13, 2019, 11:05:05 AM
Contact initiated by number 29's sly clip of Dwight's little left toe rendering him unable to maintain his balance as he stepped over the other chaps attempted/averted block. Clear penalty created by a perfect storm of innocuous events  ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on February 13, 2019, 11:08:00 AM
There were two challanges that should have been a straight red for forest and so many times our players were dumped on the floor and nothing given.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Sted1990 on February 13, 2019, 01:23:43 PM
He’s going to be missing for villa :( I just know it
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 13, 2019, 02:09:22 PM
The more I see it the more I can see why he went down, it seems that he anticipated contact and tried to avoid it. If he hadn't gone down he could have ended up injured, no excuse for diving but I can see why he did it.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albion79 on February 13, 2019, 02:32:32 PM
Sometimes when a player goes down its not a foul and its not a dive, i think last night was one of those things.

I wouldnt of give a penalty, i would of just let the game carry on, Gayle appealed for it, Forest players appealed against it, in an ideal world neither team appeals and the game carries on but its not in ideal world.

I saw talksport are running a poll whether Gayle should be banned, loads of people saying he should, i hope if thats the case then every single incident where they think its a dive has to be punished whether its Man City or Mansfield, if Gayles is the turning point where bans start to be issued (i think there was only one other before this) then thats fine if it makes football better, but they have to do it to every player at every club at every level.

Same applies Forest crying about Lolley having his shirt grabbed, by all means give a penalty for that but make sure you will then do the same for about 20 other incidents in every game where players grab shirt, it happens on every single corner, so if you give one you have to give them all, if a players shirt is grabbed in the area it means a penalty or free kick to the defending team.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: albion59 on February 13, 2019, 03:23:39 PM
Sometimes when a player goes down its not a foul and its not a dive, i think last night was one of those things.

I wouldnt of give a penalty, i would of just let the game carry on, Gayle appealed for it, Forest players appealed against it, in an ideal world neither team appeals and the game carries on but its not in ideal world.

I saw talksport are running a poll whether Gayle should be banned, loads of people saying he should, i hope if thats the case then every single incident where they think its a dive has to be punished whether its Man City or Mansfield, if Gayles is the turning point where bans start to be issued (i think there was only one other before this) then thats fine if it makes football better, but they have to do it to every player at every club at every level.

Same applies Forest crying about Lolley having his shirt grabbed, by all means give a penalty for that but make sure you will then do the same for about 20 other incidents in every game where players grab shirt, it happens on every single corner, so if you give one you have to give them all, if a players shirt is grabbed in the area it means a penalty or free kick to the defending team.
What about the one when they were holding Dawson down in the box!? That wasn't given. And I couldn't care less about a poll pointless exercise.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albion79 on February 13, 2019, 03:46:25 PM
Exactly albion59! There will be about 20 incidents every game where penalties will be given for players jostling for the ball.

Couple of genuine questions as i dont pay that much attention to football outside the Albion nowadays, and certainly not the premier league (been going that way the last few years for me but even less interest now we arent in it) but

I know there were a couple of incidents where Salah was accused of diving in the last month or so, was there much out rage that he should be banned, Liverpool points deducted, etc?

And has there been this much outrage at other diving accusations in all 4 league or is Gayle being highlighted and made an example of?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on February 13, 2019, 03:46:50 PM
It'll never change why should we be the good guys holding up the morality flag.
I don't agree with cheating or diving but as I said earlier forest were blatantly wasting time throuought the match is that not cheating? The slow walk back after scoring is that not cheating? The grabbing of several yards off throw ins is that not cheating? All of that in front of the linesman and ref and on all occasions the linesman standing next to the thrower and running beside him when throwing the ball,what's that called?
That forest team are cheats I think,the little winger looking to go down every time he gets the ball is that not cheating,their number 8 walking away with the ball after fouling our player then kicking it away as well,what's that called, sportsmanship? Please,let's play as the others play eh? Or let's stop being so goody goody.
I want to play by the rules but if the MiB don't penalise why should we be so correct all the time,its getting us now where we should have beaten forest easily last night but fell short to their cheating in my opinion.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: paulosull on February 13, 2019, 04:23:51 PM
In real time it looks like a penalty and its only when you slow it down that Gayle thinks he's going to be fouled and tries to ride a tackle that never came. I say bollo to all those who think it's a dive.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on February 13, 2019, 04:26:21 PM
Wasn't there a blatant dive against us the other week?  Like one of those where there was zero contact and the player threw himself to the ground about 3 strides later.  Nobody campaigned for him to be banned.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lewisant on February 13, 2019, 05:33:06 PM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/february/gayle-charged-by-the-fa/ (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/february/gayle-charged-by-the-fa/)

Charged by the FA. I guess this could lead to a ban? Shame we don't see more of this really - did this happen after Rodriguez was red carded v Sheff Wed was it?!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: royhan on February 13, 2019, 05:37:10 PM
I blame Dingle Don for putting the idea into the minds of the FA big wigs. We wouldn’t have heard a thing if Gayle was playing for Man Ure
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 13, 2019, 05:38:59 PM
Could only happen to us! The number of dives in recent months and our player is the only one charged....
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wbarenno on February 13, 2019, 05:41:38 PM
If we appeal does that mean he can play Saturday
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Dexy on February 13, 2019, 05:44:47 PM
Wasn't there a blatant dive against us the other week?  Like one of those where there was zero contact and the player threw himself to the ground about 3 strides later.  Nobody campaigned for him to be banned.
Hugill from Boro
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on February 13, 2019, 05:51:31 PM
John Percy Twitter Account

Dwight Gayle has been charged by the FA for ‘Successful Deception of a Match Official’ following an incident in the game against #nffc. Likely two-game ban if he accepts the charge #wba
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on February 13, 2019, 05:52:39 PM
If we appeal does that mean he can play Saturday
I would imagine that’s the case but do we not risk a longer ban if it’s upheld. A delay could work in our favour though if we then have Phillips to replace him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wbarenno on February 13, 2019, 05:58:26 PM
Phillips is back next week apparently
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 13, 2019, 05:59:55 PM
I would imagine that’s the case but do we not risk a longer ban if it’s upheld. A delay could work in our favour though if we then have Phillips to replace him.
from what I’ve seen, not for diving. We have no reason to not appeal.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiejohn on February 13, 2019, 06:03:45 PM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/february/gayle-charged-by-the-fa/ (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/february/gayle-charged-by-the-fa/)

Charged by the FA. I guess this could lead to a ban? Shame we don't see more of this really - did this happen after Rodriguez was red carded v Sheff Wed was it?!

Personally. I'd accept the charge, ultimately it could be to our advantage. Misses the games against Villa & QPR, but it ensures nobody tries it on with us in our remaining games.

On the other hand, I'm still not convinced it was simulation.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albion79 on February 13, 2019, 06:06:10 PM
Sounds petty but if he gets any sort of ban if i was the Albion i would be on the phone every week between now and the end of the season to the FA, the national media, etc highlighting any other incidents like this, whoever the club is, if the FA issue a ban they are setting a precedent, it has to be stuck too.

I would also be going back over our previous games this season and highlighting similar incidents (like Hugill against us, Grealish too, there are others) and even if the FA cant do anything about them now, make sure we plant the seed with the FA.

They have every right to enforce it if they think its simulation and cheating but i would make sure we are the biggest pain in the backside to them highlighting every other incident to make sure other players / clubs get the same punishment, cant be one rule for one and one rule for another.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 13, 2019, 06:07:56 PM
Well that's just going to open a can of worms now. Can we see it from another camera angle as I'm sure there was slight contact. ;D
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gazberg on February 13, 2019, 06:11:45 PM
I don't think it was a dive or a penalty after watching the replays. At full speed looks a nailed on penalty to be fair. In the replays he's just trying to get out the way in my eyes.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Barrington on February 13, 2019, 06:15:52 PM
Back-room staff should now be going through every penalty given in the top few leagues this season and finding any where the ref has been deceived. Take it to the FA and say "when all of these players are charged, we'll accept the charge".

Otherwise, sue the FA for persecuting us. Can't just pick on one club whenever they feel like it because a commentator or radio station makes a big deal of it.

Fair play if they wanna do Gayle for it, but it has to be done consistently.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiejohn on February 13, 2019, 06:16:30 PM
Sounds petty but if he gets any sort of ban if i was the Albion i would be on the phone every week between now and the end of the season to the FA, the national media, etc highlighting any other incidents like this, whoever the club is, if the FA issue a ban they are setting a precedent, it has to be stuck too.

I would also be going back over our previous games this season and highlighting similar incidents (like Hugill against us, Grealish too, there are others) and even if the FA cant do anything about them now, make sure we plant the seed with the FA.

They have every right to enforce it if they think its simulation and cheating but i would make sure we are the biggest pain in the backside to them highlighting every other incident to make sure other players / clubs get the same punishment, cant be one rule for one and one rule for another.

Correct, that's what I meant earlier, when I said to our advantage.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Dexy on February 13, 2019, 06:30:28 PM
I don't think it was a dive or a penalty after watching the replays. At full speed looks a nailed on penalty to be fair. In the replays he's just trying to get out the way in my eyes.
That's pretty much my view , I'd appeal it.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gazberg on February 13, 2019, 06:37:40 PM
Absolutely, no point admitting to doing something that was not intended.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Dexy on February 13, 2019, 06:39:53 PM
Absolutely, no point admitting to doing something that was not intended.
If anybody is at fault its Lee Mason , can add that leg breaker he missed by Grabben too.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mulliganstired on February 13, 2019, 06:40:43 PM
There is contact toe to toe on the floor just before he goes down.  That makes it not deception, just making a meal of it.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Dexy on February 13, 2019, 06:44:07 PM
There is contact toe to toe on the floor just before he goes down.  That makes it not deception, just making a meal of it.
The bloke with the mask ?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on February 13, 2019, 06:51:53 PM
There is contact toe to toe on the floor just before he goes down.  That makes it not deception, just making a meal of it.


There isn't. It looks like it from one angle but when you see it from the reverse angle there is clear daylight between them. Hate to say it but it was a dive.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: caravanc58 on February 13, 2019, 06:59:21 PM
thought it was a bad call by Mason to award a penalty, seen nothing to change my opinion. Gayle made the most of it but dont give a toss. in fact he can gladly do it 3 times this Saturday.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiejohn on February 13, 2019, 07:02:56 PM
Absolutely, no point admitting to doing something that was not intended.

Can't see DG openly admitting that he intended to deceive, he'll claim he felt a contact, but if he accepts the charge on that basis, it will put a stop to blatant diving which has cost us in the past.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: rogerstubbs on February 13, 2019, 07:10:16 PM
Match after match don goodman ,a crowd favourite when he played for the Albion,is so anti Albion. Last night he invited the F.A. to charge Dwight on a penalty that in real time he thought was a penalty. At least 6 times he reviewed the Gibbs incident never mentioning Lolley was holding Gibbs’ arm.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: paulosull on February 13, 2019, 07:26:48 PM
Match after match don goodman ,a crowd favourite when he played for the Albion,is so anti Albion. Last night he invited the F.A. to charge Dwight on a penalty that in real time he thought was a penalty. At least 6 times he reviewed the Gibbs incident never mentioning Lolley was holding Gibbs’ arm.
Dingle Don and Bull the tatter thought they'd batter us back in the 90s they didn't and he still isn't over it.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 13, 2019, 07:32:02 PM
we should defiantly be appealing this on the basis of dives against us haven't seen the same retrospective punishment. we might have Phillips back for QPR or Sheffield united game  anyway...

on the other hand this might be abit like bartley and brunt being injured. Like the 352 which started well 433 has been worked out especially in our home games. we seem reluctant to change it, gayle being suspended and HRK being injured might see us have another evolution and galvanize us again.

we still should be ruing the decision to not bring in another striker during the window
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wodenson46 on February 13, 2019, 07:37:09 PM
Back-room staff should now be going through every penalty given in the top few leagues this season and finding any where the ref has been deceived. Take it to the FA and say "when all of these players are charged, we'll accept the charge".

Otherwise, sue the FA for persecuting us. Can't just pick on one club whenever they feel like it because a commentator or radio station makes a big deal of it.

Fair play if they wanna do Gayle for it, but it has to be done consistently.

Exactly this. The number of games already just this season where blatant dives have brought rewards and no action has been taken by the FA. The question should be asked, and keep on being asked why is this one instance any different? It might also be mentioned that during the course of this game incidents of serious and dangerous foul play play inflicted on Albion players by Nottingham players went unpunished, and it was against this background that DG felt the need to take avoiding action by diving out of the way of possible injury by at least one of the Nottingham players responsible for such foul play. I rest my case your lordships.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on February 13, 2019, 07:37:20 PM
I can’t recall Neymar being similarly charged with this offence along with a few others

Zaha
Sterling
Sala
Young

I’m sure you could all add to this list

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: paulosull on February 13, 2019, 07:45:16 PM
Didn't Sala dive for a penalty lately no action taken, Albion need to back their player to the hil
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 13, 2019, 08:01:25 PM
Didn't Sala dive for a penalty lately no action taken, Albion need to back their player to the hil


No it was judged to be a penalty.


Gayle surely won't get done for this anyway. Too much doubt.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on February 13, 2019, 08:03:03 PM
I’m not sure I 100% agree that Don is more biased against us because he played for Wolves etc. I’ve heard him talk about his time at the Albion with fondness. I remeber him arriving from Bradford City for about £40,000, Ron Saunders was Manager if my memory serves me.

We sold him to Sunderland for about £90,000, “Barmy” Bobby Gould was Manager. He regularly turns out for Albion in senior five-a-side tournaments and other games.

I was sorry when he left us, additionally, he has played more games for us and scored more goals for us than any other club he turned out for, including Wolves.

1987–1991 West Bromwich Albion 158 (60)

1991–1994 Sunderland 116 (40)

1994–1998 Wolverhampton Wanderers 125 (33)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 13, 2019, 08:12:56 PM
I’m not sure I 100% agree that Don is more biased against us because he played for Wolves etc. I’ve heard him talk about his time at the Albion with fondness. I remeber him arriving from Bradford City for about £40,000, Ron Saunders was Manager if my memory serves me.

We sold him to Sunderland for about £90,000, “Barmy” Bobby Gould was Manager. He regularly turns out for Albion in senior five-a-side tournaments and other games.

I was sorry when he left us, additionally, he has played more games for us and scored more goals for us than any other club he turned out for, including Wolves.

1987–1991 West Bromwich Albion 158 (60)

1991–1994 Sunderland 116 (40)

1994–1998 Wolverhampton Wanderers 125 (33)


£875,000 I think,  was definitely Sunderland's transfer record the time. Broke my heart as a young kid.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gazberg on February 13, 2019, 08:15:05 PM
Yep, used to love Don as a nipper. Proper upset me that did.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: sing on our own on February 13, 2019, 08:17:19 PM
It was a dive, he cheated and should be punished....’IF’ the FA treats every other player the same great, it would disappear from the game in a matter of weeks. I hate it regardless of who’s clubs crest is on their shirt.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: pensnett stu on February 13, 2019, 08:31:25 PM
I bet not one top six club player will ever get charged,because commentators escpecially talk sport always say it's part of the game nowadays, (one rule for the rich and another one for everybody else)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: richjonawba on February 13, 2019, 08:37:35 PM
It is a dive, and I do also hate when players do it. But you can't be just banning one player, it happens every single week up and down the country.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on February 13, 2019, 08:39:45 PM

£875,000 I think,  was definitely Sunderland's transfer record the time. Broke my heart as a young kid.

I missed a zero, should have read £900,000  ;)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: popmonkey on February 13, 2019, 09:13:44 PM
I still can’t see what he was supposed to do when he had two players coming together at him, other than to go through them. With the tackle coming in it’s natural instinct to try and jump over it. I’ve seen more blatant ones given without the trial by tv and consequential FA charge.

Having said that, now the FA have publicly called him a cheat, there’s no way they’ll let him off unless the club can find a legal reason to avoid a ban. I think we should appeal
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: costa blanca baggie on February 13, 2019, 10:30:34 PM
It was a dive, he cheated and should be punished....’IF’ the FA treats every other player the same great, it would disappear from the game in a matter of weeks. I hate it regardless of who’s clubs crest is on their shirt.
OK. But why start at this point of the season?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Adder on February 13, 2019, 10:32:03 PM
Have to say Gayle has shown one or two earlier signs of making the most of the slightest contact/ exaggerated avoiding of contact. He seems to get an easier ride on here than Shane Long used to.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: elkiellis on February 13, 2019, 10:59:44 PM
Gayle will be banned for 2 games,apparently the law was introduced last season,the first player banned was niasse Everton player who also got a penalty for his efforts,so it looks like it will happen all the time if it as result changing dive
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 13, 2019, 11:09:14 PM
Gayle will be banned for 2 games,apparently the law was introduced last season,the first player banned was niasse Everton player who also got a penalty for his efforts,so it looks like it will happen all the time if it as result changing dive


It was actually Carlisle United striker Shaun Miller. Nothing to suggest this is a done deal. We will surely appeal.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: elkiellis on February 13, 2019, 11:12:31 PM

It was actually Carlisle United striker Shaun Miller. Nothing to suggest this is a done deal. We will surely appeal.
There is nothing to appeal
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 13, 2019, 11:18:34 PM
There is nothing to appeal


Player has been charged, we dispute the charge. If he is subsequently banned we can appeal.the ban?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: elkiellis on February 13, 2019, 11:23:29 PM

Player has been charged, we dispute the charge. If he is subsequently banned we can appeal.the ban?
How can we dispute something actually on film,i bet you a pint he is banned
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on February 13, 2019, 11:24:43 PM
I can't make up my mind about it. I hate diving and would like to see it stamped out. But then, what about the dive by the Boro forward 2 weeks ago? That was so far more blatant that it was almost comical.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: elkiellis on February 13, 2019, 11:26:53 PM

Player has been charged, we dispute the charge. If he is subsequently banned we can appeal.the ban?
How can we dispute its as clear as day on film,bet you a pint he is banned
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: elkiellis on February 13, 2019, 11:28:50 PM
I can't make up my mind about it. I hate diving and would like to see it stamped out. But then, what about the dive by the Boro forward 2 weeks ago? That was so far more blatant that it was almost comical.
Yes but did it get a penalty and a goal,that is what the FA are looking at
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on February 13, 2019, 11:29:41 PM
I blame Dingle Don for putting the idea into the minds of the FA big wigs. We wouldn’t have heard a thing if Gayle was playing for Man Ure

It seems that every time we're live on TV, Goodman is the expert summariser. Haven't the TV company got anyone else?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Adder on February 13, 2019, 11:30:44 PM
Trouble is given Gayle's blatantly exaggerated reaction to any slight contact that might have happened or effort at avoiding of contact, if it was to result in any ban being overturned, honestly it would open the flood gates for any simulations in the future to claim 'avoiding contact' or whatever.
I'd be gobsmacked if any Gayle ban got overturned. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: 17GD on February 13, 2019, 11:38:03 PM
All cheats should be banned. I hate cheating.

That being said, it's a funny time (over half way through the season) to start banning players. Dives happen in virtually every game, and ironically, some challenges that are fouls but the player remains on his feet go unpunished. It's like all that pushing and pulling during corners. Some refs award penalties and others just issue warnings but never go any further.

If they sent out a letter, or met with clubs before the season, outlining that this was being targeted to illuminate diving, then I would understand. But the timing is odd. Last night was not the first time this season that a player has gone down with minimal or no contact.

On the flip side, there's the thing about intent and player safety. Some straight red cards are issued because they are reckless, not because they've made contact. How about that Kompany "challenge" that happened 38 seconds into the match or whatever. He didn't get sent off because it was too early in the game. Is it fair? No. He studded a player's thigh and injured him. He should have gone.

As far as I'm concerned, if you go in carelessly in the box, you can expect a penalty to be a possible outcome, especially if it looks like a clumsy tackle.

In real time, the ref thought it was a penalty. That's all that the ref can go by - real time and his point of view.

It opens up a can of worms to suspend a player at this time. I think the thing I'm getting at is inconsistency across the board.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on February 14, 2019, 02:02:11 AM
Personally I would be quite happy for the FA to take action against diving but the law as it currently stands means very few incidents are reviewed.

As I understand it the player has to get a clear advantage from his actions. If Gayle had dived but on the edge of the area and the subsequent free kick had sailed harmlessly over the bar I am not even sure the incident would have been reviewed. When an incident is reviewed if there is contact however minimal the forward will probably get the benefit of the doubt reagrdless of how much of a meal that he makes of it. Who can say how much contact is required to make a player go over in any given situation?

There might be lots of dives but few that result in a game changing incident and even fewer where there is no contact hence there isn't a flood of cases being reviewed.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on February 14, 2019, 02:13:15 AM
It was a blatant dive and FA has called him on it. Like other posters have said nothing would have happened if it resulted in a free kick and no goal.
However he "cheated" the outcome and should face the punishment. It's a rule and that's the end of it.
I don't see how player or club could appeal it when it was so obvious.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: frazzle on February 14, 2019, 06:55:41 AM
I don’t think we can complain about this. Ultimately we could lose more points as a result of the ban than the point we won this week but that’s the way it goes I guess.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albion79 on February 14, 2019, 08:30:27 AM
Regardless of the decision i think Gayles card will now be  marked by refs.

He isnt going to be getting many 50/50’s in his favour now anywhere on the pitch and i would imagine he will lose out on a few penalty appeals.

Tbe law doesnt really make sense, surely if a dive earns a free kick or penalty, the outcome of the free kick / penalty is irrelevant, a dive is a dive.

To give an example, had the keeper tipped Jrods penalty over the bar tuesday, but we then scored from the resulting corner, would Gayle not be charged?

I know its phases of play but if Gayles ‘dive’ didnt directly lead to a goal but we score from the resulting  corner, then his cheating has benefitted us but by the rule hasnt it?

If the panel decide to ban him as they think he cheated then you have to respect their decision, the issue i would have is that all dives should be punished as per the above, it would be prevention action.

By only making examples of incidents that lead to say a goal, yes the player and club suffer after the event, but thats no use to the club who were cheated in the game (example, forest who if Gayle is found guilty can feel they were robbed of 2 points)

A dive, simulation whatever you want to call it anywhere on the pitch, should be punished with a x game ban if found seen at the time by the ref or after, but players and clubs have to know about it, it would prevent most players even thinking about it let alone trying it.

However it really does open a can of worms.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on February 14, 2019, 08:42:24 AM
Being pessimistic, I think Gayle will be found guilty.

As always the FA is sending a signal to the big clubs, whose players simulations /diving etc., is witnessed most weeks without similar retribution.

In clobbering the "smaller clubs" they hope the message gets through without the need of a high profile case that reflects badly on the world wide branded product that is the Premier League
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: seteefeet on February 14, 2019, 08:56:40 AM
Being pessimistic, I think Gayle will be found guilty.

As always the FA is sending a signal to the big clubs, whose players simulations /diving etc., is witnessed most weeks without similar retribution.

In clobbering the "smaller clubs" they hope the message gets through without the need of a high profile case that reflects badly on the world wide branded product that is the Premier League
In a nutshell mate.
Make an example of us rather than having to embarrass one of the chosen few. Was Sterling ever charged, Or Salah?

Don't get me wrong, if this is the first in a wave of bans to outlaw diving, then I'm all for it but, does anyone really think that, if Lacazette takes a dive against little old Southampton this weekend, they will do the same?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 14, 2019, 09:00:40 AM
I hope the club appeals and submit every unpunished dive this season in his defence.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on February 14, 2019, 09:23:53 AM
Can't help but think a lot of this is down to Dingle Don
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mulliganstired on February 14, 2019, 09:29:42 AM
Being pessimistic, I think Gayle will be found guilty.

As always the FA is sending a signal to the big clubs, whose players simulations /diving etc., is witnessed most weeks without similar retribution.

In clobbering the "smaller clubs" they hope the message gets through without the need of a high profile case that reflects badly on the world wide branded product that is the Premier League
I think this is what will happen.  Just our luck right now.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiebof on February 14, 2019, 09:37:45 AM
I don't think they'd charge him if they didn't intend to do him for it. He dived so I am in favour of him being punished in principle. However, like others have said, the lack of consistency is frustrating and the law is ambiguous but unfortunately, we will just have to take this on the chin.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BigFrank20 on February 14, 2019, 09:57:00 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1095465770547597315
Hmmmmm no comment
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: geoff on February 14, 2019, 10:06:15 AM
I don't think they'd charge him if they didn't intend to do him for it. He dived so I am in favour of him being punished in principle. However, like others have said, the lack of consistency is frustrating and the law is ambiguous but unfortunately, we will just have to take this on the chin.

I hate diving full stop.He dived so I am in favour of him being punished.
I hope & pray that the FA now (after seeing video evidence) carry on charging all players found doing the same.
It is now a big problem in football so please FA stay strong you have the power to put a stop to players thinking its OK to dive ANY were on the pitch not just in the box.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiejohn on February 14, 2019, 10:36:43 AM
Regardless of the decision i think Gayles card will now be  marked by refs.

He isnt going to be getting many 50/50’s in his favour now anywhere on the pitch and i would imagine he will lose out on a few penalty appeals.

Tbe law doesnt really make sense, surely if a dive earns a free kick or penalty, the outcome of the free kick / penalty is irrelevant, a dive is a dive.

To give an example, had the keeper tipped Jrods penalty over the bar tuesday, but we then scored from the resulting corner, would Gayle not be charged?

I know its phases of play but if Gayles ‘dive’ didnt directly lead to a goal but we score from the resulting  corner, then his cheating has benefitted us but by the rule hasnt it?

If the panel decide to ban him as they think he cheated then you have to respect their decision, the issue i would have is that all dives should be punished as per the above, it would be prevention action.

By only making examples of incidents that lead to say a goal, yes the player and club suffer after the event, but thats no use to the club who were cheated in the game (example, forest who if Gayle is found guilty can feel they were robbed of 2 points)

A dive, simulation whatever you want to call it anywhere on the pitch, should be punished with a x game ban if found seen at the time by the ref or after, but players and clubs have to know about it, it would prevent most players even thinking about it let alone trying it.

However it really does open a can of worms.

You make some good points, but as far as I can interpret the ruling, it's only if the deception has an impact on the outcome of the game that a ban is enforced.
As far as I can see, if we had been winning or losing the game by a margin of 2 goals or more, then DG wouldn't have been charged.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 14, 2019, 11:05:30 AM
It seems that every time we're live on TV, Goodman is the expert summariser. Haven't the TV company got anyone else?

It was Danny Higginbotham on Saturday against Stoke and for an ex Stoke player he was straight down the middle, no bias at all unlike Dingle Don who is so biased against us its unbelieveable
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on February 14, 2019, 11:06:03 AM
Expect a flood of retrospective actions now.
If they have to do it for one player then they have to do it for all of them.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: seteefeet on February 14, 2019, 11:11:48 AM
Expect a flood of retrospective actions now.
If they have to do it for one player then they have to do it for all of them.
We know they won't though, it really was just trial by Sky and Dingle Don hammering the point. He wasn't so outraged about Grabben's leg-breaker, funny that!

As someone else suggested, someone at the club should trawl the recent archives for all the dives they can find and send them off to the wonderful FA, agreeing to accept whatever punishment they deem fit, provided every single, subsequent, incident is treated exactly the same way.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Aussie Baggie on February 14, 2019, 11:16:24 AM
I’ve now finally had a chance to see this and while there’s no doubt Gayle dived, I think it was more to avoid the collision.

But he’ll probably get banned so the FA can show they’re tough buggers.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiejohn on February 14, 2019, 11:22:45 AM
This is the ruling: Introduced last season.

http://www.thefa.com/news/2017/may/18/fa-to-punish-simulation-retrospectively-180517 (http://www.thefa.com/news/2017/may/18/fa-to-punish-simulation-retrospectively-180517)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Nickwba1 on February 14, 2019, 11:25:01 AM
Not heard the comments made by Don but I think he's actually one of the better pundits and can give an actual view of how we are performing given the amount of times he's seen us play. Much worse.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: seteefeet on February 14, 2019, 11:34:29 AM
Not heard the comments made by Don but I think he's actually one of the better pundits and can give an actual view of how we are performing given the amount of times he's seen us play. Much worse.
He's a Dingle through and through, no more biased pundit out there. I have to turn sound down just to avoid kicking the telly in!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 14, 2019, 11:57:02 AM
I’ve now finally had a chance to see this and while there’s no doubt Gayle dived, I think it was more to avoid the collision.

But he’ll probably get banned so the FA can show they’re tough buggers.

I hope that is cited in his defence. Given a choice should he trip over the outstretched leg and risk injury or dive over the outstretched leg.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: SmethDan on February 14, 2019, 12:03:19 PM
Not heard the comments made by Don but I think he's actually one of the better pundits and can give an actual view of how we are performing given the amount of times he's seen us play. Much worse.

Bloke's an absolute cockend chap.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gazberg on February 14, 2019, 12:17:40 PM
Goodmans definitely a dingle as a pundit. No love for us at all.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on February 14, 2019, 12:28:12 PM
Don is a dingle - no doubt,
However Dwight dived and should be sanctioned
The problem is consistency, lets hope we see some from here on in, not holding my breath though.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: paulosull on February 14, 2019, 12:41:33 PM
Don is a dingle - no doubt,
However Dwight dived and should be sanctioned
The problem is consistency, lets hope we see some from here on in, not holding my breath though.
that's the problem consistency one man's dive is another man's foul. I thought at first glance that he got taken out only numerous replays and commentators comments suggests it's a dive, then Dingle Don who in my opinion should not be a guest in any games that we are on TV as he's too biased does a hatchet job on a Gayle and basically calls him a cheat.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 14, 2019, 12:46:02 PM
So nobody should have been punished under this rule in 18 months, except for Niasse and Gayle? Forest won a penalty themselves through diving last weekend, and how many times has Salah done it recently?

It's not Gayle getting banned that's the problem, it's the inconsistency. But then I don't expect fair play from the FA or governing bodies anymore.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BalisPen on February 14, 2019, 01:14:21 PM
What I don't understand under this fa rule he has been charged with is, why couldn't it have been used to charge Roofe for the blatant handball he did to score against forest earlier in the season.

Imo belaihoune put his foot on DG's and he went over that is not a clear dive where no one touches him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: The Tank on February 14, 2019, 01:32:54 PM
It may have been evasive action which unfortunately ended with a dive.
Tyrone M***s last week did not take evasive action and it ended in a bloodbath !
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mulliganstired on February 14, 2019, 02:27:11 PM
What I don't understand under this fa rule he has been charged with is, why couldn't it have been used to charge Roofe for the blatant handball he did to score against forest earlier in the season.

Imo belaihoune put his foot on DG's and he went over that is not a clear dive where no one touches him.
There is contact on the floor, if you look away from the "main" challenge coming in, that should be enough to give him the benefit of the doubt, you have managers and pundits all the time saying if you feel contact and go down, it's not a dive.  But I think they will make an example of an upstart club rather than one of their big fat chums in the top six
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on February 14, 2019, 02:37:46 PM
What I don't understand under this fa rule he has been charged with is, why couldn't it have been used to charge Roofe for the blatant handball he did to score against forest earlier in the season.

Imo belaihoune put his foot on DG's and he went over that is not a clear dive where no one touches him.

i think that this is an un-intended consequence of being on TV so much,
Not punishing an incident on National TV is going to embarrass the FA far more than one reported solely in a local rag and which few people are aware of.  Un-doubtedly Dingle don's outburst will not have helped diminish the embarrassment at all.

Its bloody ironic that 70k for being a TV game could cost the club 10's of £millions !
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Andio on February 14, 2019, 05:34:46 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1095465770547597315
Hmmmmm no comment

Much worse than Gayles!!!

Did Grabban get banned? I bet my house he didn't.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Nathan on February 14, 2019, 05:54:43 PM
What I cant understand about this whole episode is that if it was such an obvious, blatant, intentional dive then why on Earth did the match officials fail to spot this at the time? Are the match officials going to face a two game ban for incompetence? We might as well do away with referees and linesmen altogether, play 90 minutes free for all then let Sky TV and their 'experts' analyse everything and decide the match score afterwards. Everything about modern day football makes me sick.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BalisPen on February 14, 2019, 06:01:29 PM
He has been banned for the next 2 games.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: kirk on February 14, 2019, 06:05:59 PM
Stupid from the club not to contest this, if they had he would have been available for Saturday, I sometimes wonder who is making these crass decisions
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: domingo6220 on February 14, 2019, 06:11:58 PM
Stupid from the club not to contest this, if they had he would have been available for Saturday, I sometimes wonder who is making these crass decisions
But he would have been banned for the Sheffield United game.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: 17GD on February 14, 2019, 06:14:24 PM
Banned for 2 games and the club thinks it's fruitless to contest. It's a joke that they've decided to start here when it's happened at other matches and nothing has been done.

The big clubs will never be punished because the FA are scared to do so.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 14, 2019, 06:18:53 PM
Better he misses Villa than Sheffield United.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wbarenno on February 14, 2019, 06:22:29 PM
Stupid from the club not to contest this, if they had he would have been available for Saturday, I sometimes wonder who is making these crass decisions

It said in the paper ( it was the sun) that if we had of appealed the hearing would have been tomorrow and that Gayle would still have been banned if we hadn’t of won the appeal
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: GREGMT on February 14, 2019, 06:29:45 PM
Surely Moore will play Montero and Murphy down the flanks operating in a 451 when defending and 433 when attacking.  I just don't think the chemistry has been great between Gayle and JRod and it might allow the team to be better balanced?

Surely this would give Montero a chance to impress for rest of the season.  I would go with Barry, Johansen and Harper centrally.

We have got to get a more cohesive unit on the park.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 14, 2019, 06:30:00 PM
I hope both the EFL will give the same punishments on a regular basis then as around the leagues there will be numerous dives each weekend.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on February 14, 2019, 06:43:57 PM
Just a question, how far back is retrospective?
Is it only the previous / last match?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 14, 2019, 06:47:46 PM
I hope both the EFL will give the same punishments on a regular basis then as around the leagues there will be numerous dives each weekend.


Agree, this now has to come to the forefront of their ongoing policies.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BalisPen on February 14, 2019, 06:49:54 PM
Typical though isn't, Mings stamps on someone's face and has form for it and gets away with it and DG gets a 2 game ban.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lewisant on February 14, 2019, 06:55:27 PM
Somebody said we should accept the ban and then present all the other dives of the season to the FA. Seems bizarre that there has only been 2 retrospective bans for this?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albion79 on February 14, 2019, 07:04:17 PM
If the panel feel he dived then thats decision and we have to accept it whether we like it or not.

The law seems bizarre where it seems the simulation has to affect the play and the outcome of the game for it be reviewed with a view to punishment. Every single incident in the game affects the outcome so any possible dives / simulation, i hope the club are a complete nuisance to the FA and national media - talksport, sky sports, etc and are contacting them from now on a daily basis highlighting every possible incident from other games where this law applies.

No problem with trying to get cheating out the game but The FA have now set a precedent so lets make sure we remind them its stuck too no matter who the player is or who the club is.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 14, 2019, 07:11:39 PM
Somebody said we should accept the ban and then present all the other dives of the season to the FA. Seems bizarre that there has only been 2 retrospective bans for this?


This is the 3rd since the law was introduced for something that is prevalent in the game.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiejohn on February 14, 2019, 07:13:19 PM
This is the ruling


Quote

THE FA HAS EXTENDED ITS POWERS TO PUNISH SIMULATION RETROSPECTIVELY FROM NEXT SEASON
Thursday 18 May 2017

The FA will be able to punish player simulation retrospectively during the 2017-18 season
The FA has extended its powers to punish simulation retrospectively.

A new offence of ‘Successful Deception of a Match Official’ will be in force from the start of the 2017-18 season, after the regulation change was approved by The FA Council today [18 May] and following a period of consultation with stakeholders over the past few months.

Where there is clear and overwhelming evidence to suggest a match official has been deceived by an act of simulation, and as a direct result, the offending player’s team has been awarded a penalty and/or an opposing player has been dismissed, The FA will be able to act retrospectively under its Fast Track system.

A panel consisting of one ex-match official, one ex-manager and one ex-player will be asked to review all available video footage of the incident independently of one another and then advise The FA as to whether they believe it was an offence of ‘Successful Deception of a Match Official’. Only in circumstances where the panel are unanimous would The FA charge the individual concerned.

This process would be similar to the one used now for a red card offence [violent conduct/serious foul play/spitting at an opponent] which was not seen at the time by the match officials but caught on camera. In this situation, three ex-elite match officials review all the available video footage independently of one another and then advise The FA as to whether they believe it was an offence worthy of instant dismissal.

In accepted and/or proven cases of simulation and/or feigning injury, the offending player would receive a two-match suspension.

Although attempts to deceive the referee by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled is a cautionable offence for unsporting behaviour, the fact that the act of simulation has succeeded in deceiving a match official and, therefore, led to a penalty and/or dismissal, justifies a more severe penalty which would act as a deterrent.

Should a charge of ‘Successful Deception of a Match Official’ be admitted or found proven, the Independent Regulatory Commission will have the power to rescind the caution or dismissal received by the opposing player as a result of the simulation if it chooses to do so.

The Fast Track system for dealing with incidents retrospectively, which was brought in by The FA for the start of the 2004-05 season, enables disciplinary cases to be dealt with prior to the offending player’s next competitive game.

Read more here

http://www.thefa.com/news/2017/may/18/fa-to-punish-simulation-retrospectively-180517 (http://www.thefa.com/news/2017/may/18/fa-to-punish-simulation-retrospectively-180517)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 14, 2019, 07:23:45 PM
I hope someone at the Albion now scrutinises every dive done by our rivals for the rest of the season. Massive incentive now to get other teams goal threat banned for 2 games.

The ironic thing is being banned against the villa probably worse for Forrest based on where they are in the table.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 14, 2019, 08:11:06 PM
I hope someone at the Albion now scrutinises every dive done by our rivals for the rest of the season. Massive incentive now to get other teams goal threat banned for 2 games.

The ironic thing is being banned against the villa probably worse for Forrest based on where they are in the table.


Villa are no threat to Forest and will now be looking over their shoulders not upwards.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 14, 2019, 08:17:40 PM
we need to beat these not only because of our woeful form but because they are well and truly awful.

gayle out so I guess if HRK isn't fit, we should be playing 2 out and out wingers
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: 232kev on February 14, 2019, 09:10:57 PM
I've sent the fa a email asking them why there's no concistecy in there decision making using Dwight gale and Mo sala as examples as this now opens a can of worms
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on February 14, 2019, 10:20:11 PM
I've sent the fa a email asking them why there's no concistecy in there decision making using Dwight gale and Mo sala as examples as this now opens a can of worms

Be interested to hear their response. You always have the suspicion that they think they will encounter less hassle from a club like ours than if it was one of the so-called big clubs.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: hunsletbaggie on February 14, 2019, 10:23:15 PM
What about Vardy he should be up in front of Lancaster Gate every week
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mulliganstired on February 14, 2019, 10:53:31 PM
might have been looking to rest him for QPR anyway, at least he should be fresh for sheff u.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: chipperclark on February 14, 2019, 11:30:19 PM
 >:( Not convinced it wasn't a penalty. I did see some contact on Gayles' heel...maybe enough to off balance him.
Will be a big loss for us against the Vile....would like to see 2 wingers play...maybe Leko? we are going to be short in the goalscoring department for sure.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: overseas baggie on February 15, 2019, 05:24:06 AM
>:( Not convinced it wasn't a penalty. I did see some contact on Gayles' heel...maybe enough to off balance him.
Will be a big loss for us against the Vile....would like to see 2 wingers play...maybe Leko? we are going to be short in the goalscoring department for sure.

Even if there was contact and even if it was a foul, if you read the wording of the law there was still simulation.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiejohn on February 15, 2019, 08:39:38 AM
Even if there was contact and even if it was a foul, if you read the wording of the law there was still simulation.

The decision making panel consists of an ex player, an ex official, & an ex coach who all see the evidence independently.  There has to be a unanimous decision to make a charge.
If there had been contact, it would have been a foul, & DG wouldn't have been charged.

I'm also not sure that fans understand, that the simulation accusation is conditional on the award of a penalty or to get another player sent off. Diving that doesn't result in either of the above is not subjected to the ruling. So,(for example) had the incident happened outside of the penalty area, & we had scored from the resultant free kick, the result would have been the same, but DG couldn't be charged under the ruling.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mulliganstired on February 15, 2019, 08:52:26 AM
This opens a whole can of worms legalistically - what is the actual definition of "successful deception of match official"?  Rodriguez knew the ball had gone in off his hand against Villa, but he didn't say anything - is that "successful deception?" or just a lie of omission?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 15, 2019, 08:56:43 AM
This opens a whole can of worms legalistically - what is the actual definition of "successful deception of match official"?  Rodriguez knew the ball had gone in off his hand against Villa, but he didn't say anything - is that "successful deception?" or just a lie of omission?

Right to remain silent  ;D
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Nathan on February 15, 2019, 09:01:16 AM
The decision making panel consists of an ex player, an ex official, & an ex coach who all see the evidence independently.  There has to be a unanimous decision to make a charge.
If there had been contact, it would have been a foul, & DG wouldn't have been charged.

I'm also not sure that fans understand, that the simulation accusation is conditional on the award of a penalty or to get another player sent off. Diving that doesn't result in either of the above is not subjected to the ruling. So,(for example) had the incident happened outside of the penalty area, & we had scored from the resultant free kick, the result would have been the same, but DG couldn't be charged under the ruling.

All this just emphasises the FA meddling and over complicating the joyously simple game of football. The laws of the game should apply exactly the same in a local Sunday League game as they do in professional football. Why is it therefore that we are getting trial by television? It's pathetic. In my view there are three qualified match officials out there in every game of football played, if the officials fail to spot an offence at the time during play then I'm afraid it's just tough titties. Like it or not, trying to gain an advantage has been part of the game since the day it was invented, it's part of any sport, always has been always will be, I cant see the problem.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: richjonawba on February 15, 2019, 11:39:56 AM
All this just emphasises the FA meddling and over complicating the joyously simple game of football. The laws of the game should apply exactly the same in a local Sunday League game as they do in professional football. Why is it therefore that we are getting trial by television? It's pathetic. In my view there are three qualified match officials out there in every game of football played, if the officials fail to spot an offence at the time during play then I'm afraid it's just tough titties. Like it or not, trying to gain an advantage has been part of the game since the day it was invented, it's part of any sport, always has been always will be, I cant see the problem.

I do tend to agree. With retrospective bans and VAR the FA are basically admitting that their referees aren't up to refereeing a game of football adequately over 90 minutes. Which either suggests their expectations are too high, or their referees are sh*te.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 15, 2019, 12:06:48 PM
I do tend to agree. With retrospective bans and VAR the FA are basically admitting that their referees aren't up to refereeing a game of football adequately over 90 minutes. Which either suggests their expectations are too high, or their referees are sh*te.

Football is behind the times, pretty much every other major sport has a video ref at the elite level.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Nathan on February 15, 2019, 02:21:18 PM
Football is behind the times, pretty much every other major sport has a video ref at the elite level.

Trouble is, football is a free flowing game, infringements are always open to individual interpretation and opinions. It's not like cricket where a video umpire can check LBW decisions, the ball is either going to hit the stumps or it's not, or in tennis with Hawk Eye where it quite clearly shows the ball is either in or out. There are no grey areas in those instances, it's simple and effective. In those instances in other sports the ball has already gone dead so there is no unnecessary hold up. VAR has proved that no matter how many times incidents are reviewed in ultra slow motion, people still don't agree, it's still down to how one person sees it and interprets it. That's just how it is with football, it's what makes the game so fascinating, entertaining and interesting. All this trial by television, VAR, retrospective bans, etc will drive traditional supporters away from the game in their droves. Let the referees and linesmen officiate and just accept that in football that is how it is. Moving with the times just for the sake of it and because everyone else is doing it doesn't always mean it's for the best. If a player dives then so be it, it's up to the referee to spot it and punish accordingly.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on February 15, 2019, 02:23:43 PM
Trouble is, football is a free flowing game, infringements are always open to individual interpretation and opinions. It's not like cricket where a video umpire can check LBW decisions, the ball is either going to hit the stumps or it's not, or in tennis with Hawk Eye where it quite clearly shows the ball is either in or out. There are no grey areas in those instances, it's simple and effective. In those instances in other sports the ball has already gone dead so there is no unnecessary hold up. VAR has proved that no matter how many times incidents are reviewed in ultra slow motion, people still don't agree, it's still down to how one person sees it and interprets it. That's just how it is with football, it's what makes the game so fascinating, entertaining and interesting. All this trial by television, VAR, retrospective bans, etc will drive traditional supporters away from the game in their droves. Let the referees and linesmen officiate and just accept that in football that is how it is. Moving with the times just for the sake of it and because everyone else is doing it doesn't always mean it's for the best. If a player dives then so be it, it's up to the referee to spot it and punish accordingly.


Amen. Commonsense at last. Please forward to all media outlets, FIFA and the FA.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 15, 2019, 02:48:10 PM
As soon as the ref blows his whistle the game is dead and they should be able to review a decision or refer one if required.

I like how Rugby do it, let the game flow then the ref queries items in the run up to the try/penaulty try situation. Anything else is let go, unless a card is required which the video ref can check while the game flows.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wodenson46 on February 15, 2019, 03:05:23 PM
Trouble is, football is a free flowing game, infringements are always open to individual interpretation and opinions. It's not like cricket where a video umpire can check LBW decisions, the ball is either going to hit the stumps or it's not, or in tennis with Hawk Eye where it quite clearly shows the ball is either in or out. There are no grey areas in those instances, it's simple and effective. In those instances in other sports the ball has already gone dead so there is no unnecessary hold up. VAR has proved that no matter how many times incidents are reviewed in ultra slow motion, people still don't agree, it's still down to how one person sees it and interprets it. That's just how it is with football, it's what makes the game so fascinating, entertaining and interesting. All this trial by television, VAR, retrospective bans, etc will drive traditional supporters away
from the game in their droves. Let the referees and linesmen officiate and just accept that in football that is how it is. Moving with the times just for the sake of it and because everyone else is doing it doesn't always mean it's for the best. If a player dives then so be it, it's up to the referee to spot it and punish accordingly.
Sorry about the previous blanks I am trying to balance the wife’s iPad on my knee in a moving vehicle, and no I am not driving. Anyway just wanted to say what a sane and accurate post this is and has had the effect of calming my anger somewhat. However I would further comment that  this latest action by the (sweet) FA simply mirrors the lack of consistency among officials generally, and it is this punishing an offence by one team and allowing the same offence to go unpunished when committed by their opponents. As many on here have already suggested if that dive had been done by Salah, Vardy, any Tottenham player etc. With the same resulting penalty scored to gain a point, would there have been such media stirring aka mr goodman, and would the FA have taken action? Based on previous experience I sincerely believe it would not.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albion79 on February 15, 2019, 03:24:57 PM
As i see the law / rule (and i may or read it wrong) it just makes no sense.

For example, say your winning 1-0, the game is end to end, chances for both sides. A player then dives winning a penalty for the team that is winning 1-0, they score it and make it 2-0 which pretty much puts the game out of reach, they then go on to win 5-0 pretty comfortable, am i right in thinking the dive to win the penalty for the 2nd goal would not be punished because the scoreline wasnt directly affected by the dive / penalty? Ie - it needs to be a goal that influences the result, ie - winning goal or equaliser?

Same applies if losing 1-0, player dives for team that is losing, wins penalty, its scored, makes it 1-1, then the team who scored it go on to win 5-1, again that wouldnt be punished would it? Despite the dive / penalty having a massive impact on the game and being a turning point.

Apologies if i have got the law wrong and sound thick! If that isnt the law and it isnt match deciding then the likes of Salah, Kane, etc are going to be punished weekly!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on February 15, 2019, 05:11:10 PM
Why wasn't Ayala banned for Boro when he scored a handball goal? That was a successful deception of an official that cost us points, and it was also on TV. Whys it always us that gets picked on? You can bet your cotton socks that if it was a fashionable club then the old "Its part of the game" and "There was definite contact" would replace the abuse being pointed at us/Dwight by the media.

If it was THAT blatantly a dive, why couldn't this high level professional referee spot it for himself? He had an awful game and that decision was one of the few that went our way, funny how he doesn't get any stick isn't it  ::)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiejohn on February 15, 2019, 05:31:11 PM
As i see the law / rule (and i may or read it wrong) it just makes no sense.

For example, say your winning 1-0, the game is end to end, chances for both sides. A player then dives winning a penalty for the team that is winning 1-0, they score it and make it 2-0 which pretty much puts the game out of reach, they then go on to win 5-0 pretty comfortable, am i right in thinking the dive to win the penalty for the 2nd goal would not be punished because the scoreline wasnt directly affected by the dive / penalty? Ie - it needs to be a goal that influences the result, ie - winning goal or equaliser?

Same applies if losing 1-0, player dives for team that is losing, wins penalty, its scored, makes it 1-1, then the team who scored it go on to win 5-1, again that wouldnt be punished would it? Despite the dive / penalty having a massive impact on the game and being a turning point.

Apologies if i have got the law wrong and sound thick! If that isnt the law and it isnt match deciding then the likes of Salah, Kane, etc are going to be punished weekly!


The rule is:

If as a result of the deception, the ref awards a penalty or a player gets sent off, the player carrying out the deception is likely to be charged & a possible 2 game ban.

What I'm not sure about is what triggers the restrospective enquiry. It could be a complaint from the opposition club. In DG's case didn't O'Neil complain.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Aztech on February 22, 2019, 08:17:53 PM
Let’s see if the West Ham player receives a two game ban
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 23, 2019, 12:18:24 AM
Let’s see if the West Ham player receives a two game ban
Lee Mason the referee again! I think he needs a two game ban!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: bradleysrocket on February 23, 2019, 12:38:38 AM
Let’s see if the West Ham player receives a two game ban
Im not sure he can under the rules as they stand. The rules about deception are to be used where a penalty is awarded after a dive hadn’t been spotted or if by feigning injury you get another player sent off. Nothing in there yet about duping the officials by scoring with a blatant handball.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: ronnie_allen on February 23, 2019, 12:44:32 AM
Kemar Roofe definitely should have served a ban if deception by handball was in the rule. Alas it doesn't seem too count.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: costa blanca baggie on February 23, 2019, 03:33:49 AM
Kemar Roofe definitely should have served a ban if deception by handball was in the rule. Alas it doesn't seem too count.
And our very own Jay?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 01, 2019, 09:31:16 PM
Gayle playing out wide isn’t the modern way of thinking - as some members may think

It’s ******* rubbish

A complete waste of time
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: GREGMT on March 01, 2019, 09:35:50 PM
I just think recently his general play is awful.  I think his confidence is shot. You can hardly make a case for saying he deserves to start.  When did he last score from open play?  He doesn't link with the midfield either.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 01, 2019, 09:41:38 PM
Gayle playing out wide isn’t the modern way of thinking - as some members may think

It’s ******* rubbish

A complete waste of time


Amen.


Talk about shooting ourselves in the foot.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lewisant on March 01, 2019, 09:43:43 PM
"Oh we have a proven goal scorer, stick him on the wing"

It's like putting a clumsy CB and LB or ignoring all the answers that are on the bench.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 01, 2019, 09:49:58 PM
I just think recently his general play is awful.  I think his confidence is shot. You can hardly make a case for saying he deserves to start.  When did he last score from open play?  He doesn't link with the midfield either.


His general play isn't great that's why he doesn't have any top level success.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gazberg on March 01, 2019, 09:51:09 PM
Since being shifted out to the wing he's become insignificant and irrelevant.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wba_1996 on March 01, 2019, 09:52:41 PM
He's a poacher that thrives on the shoulder of the last man. We might as well send him back to Newcastle if we're just going to stick him on the wing.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: barnestormer on March 01, 2019, 09:53:35 PM
Totally wasted out wide left.has mooro got blinkers on?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: CL3MO on March 01, 2019, 09:56:31 PM
We’ve utterly wasted him this season and he’s still got 16 goals.

Clueless.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 01, 2019, 10:00:42 PM

His general play isn't great that's why he doesn't have any top level success.

But the modern way of thinking is to play your best centre forward on the wing - despite his lack of general ability

Apparently
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 01, 2019, 10:08:44 PM
I haven’t been this annoyed since England decided Shearer should be pushed out wide yonks ago. I’m seriously p*ssed off now.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albion79 on March 01, 2019, 10:16:37 PM
Gayle was fine out on the left when we had Barnes as the front 3 used to swap and change, it worked, they all scored goals.

However without Barnes we look lost and Gayle now seems permanently stuck on the wing and he is wasted, they have to find a way of pairing him with Jrod down the middle, like the start of the season because as a combination of (a) teams have now sussed us and (b) losing Barnes and movement / interchange means we now carrying him.

You can tell his confidence is shot, he looks frustrated, most of the team look that way which suggests whatever we are trying to do, isnt working.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on March 02, 2019, 02:28:55 PM
I haven’t been this annoyed since England decided Shearer should be pushed out wide yonks ago. I’m seriously p*ssed off now.

I’m with you. He had to play in the middle and we have to build the team around him. Utter madness to play him on the left. Gross incompetence.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BalisPen on March 10, 2019, 07:39:11 PM
Wherever he has played the last 3 games he has looked a shadow of the player he was before the ban and what followed with the media circus and the social media abuse I am certain he got and has probably effected him imo along with the booing of the sheff utd and Leeds fans, must  come as big shock to someone who used to being cheered after banging them in.

He needs to put it past him and move on quickly, as he is our (well technically Newcastle's) only true finisher.

It was shocking and easy to make an example of him like they made with niasse too when it has happened loads with players who are more high profile like Kane and nothing happens to him because the fa need him for their latest campaign photoshoot.

Imo what Gayle did was no different to what lacazzette did today against manure, but I bet nothing happens to him because this season's one and only cheat (yeah, right) scapegoat has been identified and punished and the fa have done, in their eyes anyway, their duty to maintain the old corinthian spirit of game.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: ashdoy on March 16, 2019, 03:52:13 PM
Anybody still want him over Rondon?

Only one winner for me I’m afraid.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 16, 2019, 04:00:00 PM
Anybody still want him over Rondon?

Only one winner for me I’m afraid.

Yep

Rondon still not prolific enough for me

10 goals for Newcastle that’s half the amount of goals a top striker would have
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 04:02:53 PM
Yep

Rondon still not prolific enough for me

10 goals for Newcastle that’s half the amount of goals a top striker would have


Haha Benitez is almost as negative as TP. Great return so far from Sal.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 16, 2019, 04:04:53 PM

Haha Benitez is almost as negative as TP. Great return so far from Sal.

Not a fan I’m afraid. No matter how we played under Pulis how many clear cut chances did he miss for us. Decent back up but not as the main man for me. Just my opinion of course.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 04:13:09 PM
Not a fan I’m afraid. No matter how we played under Pulis how many clear cut chances did he miss for us. Decent back up but not as the main man for me. Just my opinion of course.


Put it this way Rondon has 10 PL goals in a defensive kick and rush team. Gayle has 16 Championship goals in an open attacking free scoring team. Rondon would have brutalised this league imo.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on March 16, 2019, 04:14:51 PM

Put it this way Rondon has 10 PL goals in a defensive kick and rush team. Gayle has 16 Championship goals in an open attacking free scoring team. Rondon would have brutalised this league imo.

But he’s not in this league so it’s purely hypothetical
Rondon has scored 10 goals this season. Last season he scored 10 for us, season before 10, season before 12 so it’s a bit of a myth that he’s doing loads better at Newcastle
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: ashdoy on March 16, 2019, 05:00:41 PM
But he’s not in this league so it’s purely hypothetical
Rondon has scored 10 goals this season. Last season he scored 10 for us, season before 10, season before 12 so it’s a bit of a myth that he’s doing loads better at Newcastle

He’s not doing “better”, he’s doing exactly the same which is he a nuisance, be the big man, but bangs in his fair share in a defensive side.

I still don’t know why Spurs don’t have him as back up to Kane.

Always liked him, always will. Very good player.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 16, 2019, 05:02:08 PM
Rondon is far better than Gayle. I'm sorry but he truly is. I like both but Rondon is a class act that was seriously underappreciated.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: richjonawba on March 16, 2019, 05:12:19 PM
Rondon is far better than Gayle. I'm sorry but he truly is. I like both but Rondon is a class act that was seriously underappreciated.

Have to agree, Rondon is a far superior player. Would be good to have them both up front together, but that is unlikely to say the least.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: frazzle on March 16, 2019, 05:23:34 PM
Rondon never had a chance to look good because he played for Pulis.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: KN22 on March 16, 2019, 05:40:34 PM
Rondon never had a chance to look good because he played for Pulis.

How very true. I used to feel sorry for the guy in those dark days.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: geoff on March 16, 2019, 05:46:11 PM
Rondon is far better than Gayle. I'm sorry but he truly is. I like both but Rondon is a class act that was seriously underappreciated.

I'd love to see them play together, in the past there has been some great little & large partnerships.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mulliganstired on March 16, 2019, 05:59:40 PM
They are so different it is almost pointless comparing them - but together they could be something
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: adamw1109 on March 17, 2019, 12:02:44 AM
I'm a massive rondon fan, but the goals are the same size in the championship and regardless how the team plays he missed way too many sitters for us.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 17, 2019, 12:35:37 AM
I'm a massive rondon fan, but the goals are the same size in the championship and regardless how the team plays he missed way too many sitters for us.
Sure, the goal is the same size! It’s the quality of the players stopping you getting to it that’s the problem.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gazberg on March 17, 2019, 04:08:29 AM
I like Gayle, i like Rondon, overall Rondon is superior. In my mind there is no doubt. Shame we (realistically) won't get to see them in the same team.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tommcneill on March 17, 2019, 07:48:28 AM
Rondon is a better striker, no doubt about that.

Both are very different types of players though, but in a straight striker for striker comparison there is only one winner

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 17, 2019, 11:07:18 AM
The childish insults on this forum need to stop regardless of how long you have been on this forum, being a long standing member with 100's or 1000's of posts will not help you avoid a ban, not sure how many warnings people need so time for 7 dayers to begin being handed out in a hope that people actually start taking note that this is WestBrom.com NOT Facebook, not Twitter etc etc
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on March 17, 2019, 11:32:38 AM
The Dwight Gayle conundrum best finisher in the league get the ball to his feet in the box and he will score but if you don't do that or do it infrequently you don't get an awful lot from the player.

When we first signed him I did wonder how it was going to work.


Moore's first solution 3-4-1-2 it worked in that he scored a ton of goals but we never really settled at the back and we were forced to revisit that formation.

We then move to 4-3-3 with Gayle either playing through the middle or more frequently as a wide striker (not a traditional winger) we were a little bit more direct. Gayle never looked as good but was still chipping in with goals on a regular basis.

Shan moves to a 4-2-3-1 or 4-5-1 with Gayle as the lone striker to be honest he looks totally lost in the role. Particularly as we are dropping deep and not getting players up in support.

It's not him it is us. We have to settle on a style of play and have players that are comfortable with it back to front and if they don't fit it don't hire them or retain them. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2019, 12:14:36 PM
Sure, the goal is the same size! It’s the quality of the players stopping you getting to it that’s the problem.

That would make sense if Rondon wasn't getting chances but he was.  The criticism for Rondon was the glaring chances he regularaly missed.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: frazzle on March 17, 2019, 12:21:56 PM
The Dwight Gayle conundrum best finisher in the league get the ball to his feet in the box and he will score but if you don't do that or do it infrequently you don't get an awful lot from the player.

When we first signed him I did wonder how it was going to work.


Moore's first solution 3-4-1-2 it worked in that he scored a ton of goals but we never really settled at the back and we were forced to revisit that formation.

We then move to 4-3-3 with Gayle either playing through the middle or more frequently as a wide striker (not a traditional winger) we were a little bit more direct. Gayle never looked as good but was still chipping in with goals on a regular basis.

Shan moves to a 4-2-3-1 or 4-5-1 with Gayle as the lone striker to be honest he looks totally lost in the role. Particularly as we are dropping deep and not getting players up in support.

It's not him it is us. We have to settle on a style of play and have players that are comfortable with it back to front and if they don't fit it don't hire them or retain them.

One of the big complaints from fans and media was that Moore wasn’t playing Gayle centrally. Maybe Moore knew what he was doing in this instance.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2019, 01:29:11 PM
You need Gayle central but you can isolate him.  He's not the tallest of players so lumping balls up for him to chase isn't a great option.  He's still, by far, the best forward we have when playing central.  These last two games he would have scored if not for two unbelievable saves by the keeper.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 17, 2019, 01:32:05 PM
To get the best out of Gayle centrally you need Barry putting the ball through to him, best passer of a ball at the club.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BigFrank20 on April 14, 2019, 07:12:34 AM
OK how does a short arse and apparently slightly built Dwight Gayle manage to hurl a football quite so far?  ???
Remembering my basic physics from many years ago shouldn't his levers (arms) be six foot long to throw it that far?
On a more serious note it has added a potent new attacking option and I notice the ball boys at the away sides end of the pitch now have towels for him to dry the ball for a better grip
Oh and a great hat trick from the little maestro yesterday too
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 14, 2019, 01:14:07 PM
Imagine if we'd played him up front all season.

21 goals now, 122 minutes per goal which is the best in the division and that is without penalties which benefit the likes of Abraham and J-Rod in their stats.

Darren made many, many mistakes in his short tenure, but sticking him on the left wing has to be up there with the biggest.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: KN22 on April 14, 2019, 01:18:36 PM
The guy is a natural finisher and I do not agree that he couldn’t get goals regularly in the premier league. It of course depends on who he plays for and how they set up. For now we have him and, used correctly, still gives me hope we can yet make it back to the promised land.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on April 14, 2019, 02:00:24 PM
Imagine if we'd played him up front all season.

21 goals now, 122 minutes per goal which is the best in the division and that is without penalties which benefit the likes of Abraham and J-Rod in their stats.

Darren made many, many mistakes in his short tenure, but sticking him on the left wing has to be up there with the biggest.

Sackable offence in it's own right. Best striker in the league bar none.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mulliganstired on April 14, 2019, 02:12:17 PM
Imagine if we'd played him up front all season.

21 goals now, 122 minutes per goal which is the best in the division and that is without penalties which benefit the likes of Abraham and J-Rod in their stats.

Darren made many, many mistakes in his short tenure, but sticking him on the left wing has to be up there with the biggest.
That was an unbelievable mistake.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on April 14, 2019, 02:20:53 PM
A Premier League striker, no doubt about it. In the right setup Gayle is gold dust. Hes as clinical as they come, works his b*llocks off and is very unselfish/team oriented.

Please get him signed up Albion.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on April 14, 2019, 03:59:33 PM
That was an unbelievable mistake.

and such an obvious one, its really sad that this and the farting about at the back were SO obviously wrong to almost everyone but Darren
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheBrom on April 14, 2019, 04:24:22 PM
Perfect hat trick yesterday too I believe? Easily my player of the season a really hope we can keep him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 14, 2019, 04:50:11 PM
Think he is the priority for next season no matter where we are.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Dan on April 15, 2019, 12:02:28 AM
He'd score goals in the premier league, it just needs to be in the right system. He's never going to thrive in a very direct team where the ball is over his head most the time.

I don't think there's a better finisher around we could get really. Difficult to see him staying if we don't go up, I don't see us paying his wages - I'd be surprised if there was no interest from the premier league either.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 15, 2019, 12:15:43 AM
Just needs to be beside a player who can feed him.
ala Jeff Astle, Tony Brown or Bobby Hope from the great 60's
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on April 15, 2019, 03:49:22 PM
Absolute priority is to keep Gayle. Almost as important as the right manager.  I haven't seen such an instinctive goalscorer at The Hawthorns since Kevin Phillips.
Article in today's papers that he'd be keen to stay and that he's enjoyed his time with us.
High praise for Jimmy Shan.
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/04/14/hat-trick-hero-dwight-gayle-sees-his-future-at-west-brom/

Obviously, alot will depend on which division we're in, but given his comments above, you'd hope he'd want to stay reagrdless. This is where Luke Dowling has to earn his crust. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Mister AT on April 15, 2019, 03:54:39 PM
With Rondon wanting to stay at Newcastle and vice versa, there is definitely a deal there to be made.

If we are to remain in the championship, then its absolutely vital if we can get Gayle in on a permanent. Pretty much guarantees you 20 goals a season, and a player we should be looking to build a team round.

Absolutely criminal that he has spent 3 months of this season on the wing.

What has impressed me the most with Gayle is his willingness to run and work for the team. I am shocked he hasn't had more luck in the premier league.

Would be more than happy to see him stay even if we went up.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on April 15, 2019, 04:46:54 PM
Absolute priority is to keep Gayle. Almost as important as the right manager.  I haven't seen such an instinctive goalscorer at The Hawthorns since Kevin Phillips.
Article in today's papers that he'd be keen to stay and that he's enjoyed his time with us.
High praise for Jimmy Shan.
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/04/14/hat-trick-hero-dwight-gayle-sees-his-future-at-west-brom/

Obviously, alot will depend on which division we're in, but given his comments above, you'd hope he'd want to stay reagrdless. This is where Luke Dowling has to earn his crust.

I acknowledge and can, to an extent understand your opinion, but no player is more important than the right Manager / Head Coach
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 15, 2019, 04:56:33 PM
A Premier League striker, no doubt about it.

Is he though?

He's very much like Robert Earnshaw - at this level he's guaranteed goals, but take him any higher and he's not great.

He's also coming to a period in his career where his pace will go and he'll start getting more niggling injuries. As much as I've enjoyed his goalscoring, I wouldn't want to take him on a big money, long term contract - something I suspect we haven't got in the budget anyway.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: frazzle on April 15, 2019, 05:43:01 PM
Is he though?

He's very much like Robert Earnshaw - at this level he's guaranteed goals, but take him any higher and he's not great.

He's also coming to a period in his career where his pace will go and he'll start getting more niggling injuries. As much as I've enjoyed his goalscoring, I wouldn't want to take him on a big money, long term contract - something I suspect we haven't got in the budget anyway.

I’d be happy to sign him but if we are championship he is a must whereas if we are premier league in not so sure as I agree that if he loses his pace and mobility then he’s not so effective.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: vrabbit on April 15, 2019, 05:48:36 PM
when people say "he's a Championship striker" what they're really saying (even if they don't really mean it) is that he thrives in an attack-minded setup, which the Championship allows you to run when you have one of the best rosters in the league (like we do).

the problem is that (if we achieve promotion) we're unlikely to run such a free-attacking setup in the premier league, instead choosing to manage results to avoid relegation. This will see more 4-5-1s and 5-4-1s as opposed to the 4-3-3s or 3-5-2s, with less support for Gayle to have the same kind of effect (never mind going against better defenses/goalkeepers).

I think his time at Newcastle well illustrates this. 23 goals for them in the Championship while they were the highest scoring team in the league but not even close to the same kind of impact when Newcastle was trying to retain their place in the PL (6 goals) and scored less than half the goals they scored the prior season (85 in the Championship, 39 last season in the PL - 13th in the league)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on April 15, 2019, 05:51:40 PM
I acknowledge and can, to an extent understand your opinion, but no player is more important than the right Manager / Head Coach

I kind of agree with you, but how do you think we would do with Guardiola in charge if the forwards he had to work with were HRK, Montero and Anichebe?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 15, 2019, 06:30:51 PM
I kind of agree with you, but how do you think we would do with Guardiola in charge if the forwards he had to work with were HRK, Montero and Anichebe?


Better than anything we've done since the early 80s.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on April 15, 2019, 06:52:12 PM
when people say "he's a Championship striker" what they're really saying (even if they don't really mean it) is that he thrives in an attack-minded setup, which the Championship allows you to run when you have one of the best rosters in the league (like we do).

the problem is that (if we achieve promotion) we're unlikely to run such a free-attacking setup in the premier league, instead choosing to manage results to avoid relegation. This will see more 4-5-1s and 5-4-1s as opposed to the 4-3-3s or 3-5-2s, with less support for Gayle to have the same kind of effect (never mind going against better defenses/goalkeepers).

I think his time at Newcastle well illustrates this. 23 goals for them in the Championship while they were the highest scoring team in the league but not even close to the same kind of impact when Newcastle was trying to retain their place in the PL (6 goals) and scored less than half the goals they scored the prior season (85 in the Championship, 39 last season in the PL - 13th in the league)

If you look at the minutes played for Gayle in the Prem last season he was rarely given 90 mins.  8 games in total he got a full run out.  Compare that to Rondon this season (18 lots of full 90 mins).  In minutes (and 1958 mins vs 2248 mins (with 4 full games to go).  Assuming he continues to play Rondon for the full 90 that's 2608 mins.  Gayle scored 6, Rondon has 9 so far. 

I really don't think there's *that* much between them as goals go stat wise.  I don't think if Gayle got the same chances that Rondon has had that he'd be much behind Rondon, if at all. 

It's difficult because if I wanted a lone forward to help hold the ball up and bring others into the play I'd prefer Rondon.  If I wanted a striker to put the ball into the net, it's Gayle every time.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 15, 2019, 09:37:54 PM
I kind of agree with you, but how do you think we would do with Guardiola in charge if the forwards he had to work with were HRK, Montero and Anichebe?
Are we playing big Vic in CM and when did he come back?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on April 16, 2019, 10:01:50 AM
I kind of agree with you, but how do you think we would do with Guardiola in charge if the forwards he had to work with were HRK, Montero and Anichebe?

I did say “the right Manager / Head Coach” clearly the likes of Guardiola would, initially, find difficulty coaching the quality of players we have and the type of football played at our level. No doubt he would learn and adjust accordingly, because he is a world class Coach.

Regarding the players you specifically mentioned, it is unlikely any Manager / Head Coach would be able to improve their footballing skills and, particularly, their techniques at this stage of their careers as they are all ready ingrained in the player, bad habits and all. The only thing he might be able to tweak is tactical aspects of their game.

And if is was between keeping those players and a good fit Head Coach for us, it would have to be, in my view, bye, bye players, welcome new Head Coach  :)




Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tommcneill on April 16, 2019, 10:10:04 AM
when you have a player that states he wants to join and is currently one of your best players you sign them up

Get him in Albion
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on April 16, 2019, 10:19:04 AM
I have enjoyed ever second of Dwight’s time with us this season, but if it was between buying him or appointing Jokanovic, I personally would choose the Jokanovic option.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on April 16, 2019, 02:01:35 PM
On Fulhams radar if reports are to be believed

https://nothingbutnewcastle.com/2019/04/blogs/fulham-want-gayle/
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on April 16, 2019, 07:31:46 PM
I did say “the right Manager / Head Coach” clearly the likes of Guardiola would, initially, find difficulty coaching the quality of players we have and the type of football played at our level. No doubt he would learn and adjust accordingly, because he is a world class Coach.

Regarding the players you specifically mentioned, it is unlikely any Manager / Head Coach would be able to improve their footballing skills and, particularly, their techniques at this stage of their careers as they are all ready ingrained in the player, bad habits and all. The only thing he might be able to tweak is tactical aspects of their game.

And if is was between keeping those players and a good fit Head Coach for us, it would have to be, in my view, bye, bye players, welcome new Head Coach  :)

I don't disagree with you about the importance of having the right Head Coach. My point, (and this thread) was about Gayle's importance, as I think we would really struggle to bring in someone of his goalscoring calibre, as well as his positive attitude.
So, I wouldn't be at all happy saying bye, bye Gayle.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on April 16, 2019, 07:35:08 PM
This not a no brainer.
There are a number of issues.

1. Regardless of level unless he is played in the right system he isn't going to score 20+ goals a season or anything close to it.

2. If the new coach wants to play with a more orthodox target man (like Jokanovic) well Gayle is not that player.

3. I never like signing a 29 year old striker for a big fee and wages we have done far too much of this type of deal over the last 4 or 5 seasons.

I would never make a direct trade-off between a coach and a player.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: kc56wba on April 17, 2019, 08:45:19 PM
Won the WBADSC player of the Year award today.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on April 17, 2019, 08:54:28 PM
Won the WBADSC player of the Year award today.

And we’ll deserved. Many congratulations Dwight!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on April 19, 2019, 05:26:18 PM
Please dont cock this one up Albion. Sign him up asap.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 19, 2019, 05:32:06 PM
Please dont cock this one up Albion. Sign him up asap.
You've got to get past Jenkins and his ignorance.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 19, 2019, 06:28:13 PM
116 minutes per league goal and he doesn't take penalties...
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 19, 2019, 10:18:12 PM
Please dont cock this one up Albion. Sign him up asap.

Not going to be easy, Fulham are interested so may be able to offer better wages and he is from London so that might appeal. To have the best chance we have to go up.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: KN22 on April 20, 2019, 01:23:33 PM
Just don’t see us signing him unless we go up. Really ought to find a way to do so regardless of the division we are in.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 20, 2019, 06:45:43 PM
Not going to be easy, Fulham are interested so may be able to offer better wages and he is from London so that might appeal. To have the best chance we have to go up.
And if we go up we have to stand back and ask, would he be enough to lead the line in the prem?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on April 20, 2019, 08:36:38 PM
And if we go up we have to stand back and ask, would he be enough to lead the line in the prem?

If he isn't then what? Will it be J-rod? HRK? Regardless of ehat division we are in he is a better option than either of those two.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 20, 2019, 09:48:31 PM
If he isn't then what? Will it be J-rod? HRK? Regardless of ehat division we are in he is a better option than either of those two.
Yes he is , but being better than an option....does not mean he is good enough, esp in the prem, very rare has he been a starter / main striker for teams in the prem.
Personally if we went up I think Rondon, Gayle, Maupay, and a Chelsea/Man City loanee or long/Austin would be a strong enough group (obviously cashing in on man bun)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 21, 2019, 12:54:56 AM
Yes he is , but being better than an option....does not mean he is good enough, esp in the prem, very rare has he been a starter / main striker for teams in the prem.
Personally if we went up I think Rondon, Gayle, Maupay, and a Chelsea/Man City loanee or long/Austin would be a strong enough group (obviously cashing in on man bun)


Long, ffs, think you're the only Albion fan who ever rated that clown
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 21, 2019, 08:59:00 AM

Long, ffs, think you're the only Albion fan who ever rated that clown
We need options, people that could do different jobs for us
I think you would be surprised how many rate him (btw I was annoyed he went central at the expense of Odemwingie) but he can play football, never stops running and always gives 100%....should be a given but not many footballers actually do
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on April 21, 2019, 03:50:50 PM
Apparently Newcastle want to keep Rondon, but we should be wanting to secure Gayle.
If Newcastle want to play hardball over Gayle,  we should simply use Rondon as a bargaining chip. I know there are other factors coming into play too, such as if there are other offers for the players, but that should be our starting point.
 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: cads_ap_albion on April 21, 2019, 04:46:20 PM
Apparently Newcastle want to keep Rondon, but we should be wanting to secure Gayle.
If Newcastle want to play hardball over Gayle,  we should simply use Rondon as a bargaining chip. I know there are other factors coming into play too, such as if there are other offers for the players, but that should be our starting point.

There is release clause for Rondon - it therefore may not be as easy as you say.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BB74 on May 11, 2019, 07:09:17 PM
Just played his last game for us by the looks of it. Unless he signs permanently of course.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Baggies on May 11, 2019, 07:11:15 PM
Shame if that is it. Amazing season from an intelligent, hard working and brilliantly talented player. Really enjoyed having him here.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 11, 2019, 07:14:37 PM
Just played his last game for us by the looks of it. Unless he signs permanently of course.

Unless we beat villa and then he'll be available for the final
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: ttree30 on May 11, 2019, 09:11:57 PM
Gayle won’t be available for the final. He’s banned for that too.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/11/dwight-gayle-will-be-banned-for-play-off-final-if-west-brom-reach-wembley/
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: 17GD on May 11, 2019, 09:12:17 PM
On the whole he's been very good for us this season. But if we fail to find the goals on Tuesday I feel his spell with us will end on a sour note.

Yes the ref was very poor today, but he was pushing it with his gentle stroll to take throw ins, even after being warned. He even could've done that fake "I'm pretending to run but actually I'm still walking" thing, but he didn't. And the same with Gibbs, if you go diving in, even though there's no intent, you put yourself in a risky position. So he can't really complain.

If we do fail to find the goals though, it won't be his red card alone that cost us promotion.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: hunsletbaggie on May 11, 2019, 09:24:59 PM
Gayle won’t be available for the final. He’s banned for that too.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/11/dwight-gayle-will-be-banned-for-play-off-final-if-west-brom-reach-wembley/
just better and better FFS!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on May 11, 2019, 09:25:52 PM
Gayle won’t be available for the final. He’s banned for that too.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/11/dwight-gayle-will-be-banned-for-play-off-final-if-west-brom-reach-wembley/


one kick of the balls after another
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on May 11, 2019, 10:05:41 PM
Fkin joke. The FA need to review the rules on 2 yellows absolute disgrace
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: hunsletbaggie on May 11, 2019, 10:20:53 PM
Hourihane throttles someone in full front of the cameras and the F A does F**k all yet Dwight gets two of the softest yellow cards you will ever see and gets a two match ban the FA are a f**king joke.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 11, 2019, 10:45:06 PM
It's a shambles that Gayle is banned for 2 matches.  Players dive all over the place and don't get punished.  Both yellow cards were a joke.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 11, 2019, 10:46:24 PM
Not sure why Gayle should be given an extra game ban as he wasn't sent off previously, the ban was given for "deceiving an official". If he had been given a card in that game it would have been yellow. If we do go through the club need to get this looked at.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: KN22 on May 11, 2019, 10:47:58 PM
Can we appeal? It was not a bookable offence ( the second one)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lewisant on May 11, 2019, 10:48:42 PM
That is awful news
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mikehy on May 11, 2019, 10:48:59 PM
We can not appeal. He will never play for us again
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: KN22 on May 11, 2019, 10:49:38 PM
Yes he will... they want Rondon so we have strong bargaining power
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: frazzle on May 11, 2019, 11:04:03 PM
Sorry but this is a professional sport. He shouldn’t have dived in. Shan should probably have taken him off earlier as we could all see it coming. Entirely our fault and in my opinion it’s cost us.

Still love us to sign him though.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mulliganstired on May 11, 2019, 11:06:14 PM
He needs to start being more honest, he is good enough not to need to tw@t about
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: hunsletbaggie on May 11, 2019, 11:19:30 PM
Sorry but this is a professional sport. He shouldn’t have dived in. Shan should probably have taken him off earlier as we could all see it coming. Entirely our fault and in my opinion it’s cost us.

Still love us to sign him though.
I am sorry the more you watch it the more of a joke it becomes he's done nothing wrong its the villa players that get him the card Steer for rolling around like a tw*t and Mings and the other fellow for pulling him to one side which made it look a lot worse to the ref.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Dan87uk on May 11, 2019, 11:26:48 PM
Gayle won’t be available for the final. He’s banned for that too.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/11/dwight-gayle-will-be-banned-for-play-off-final-if-west-brom-reach-wembley/

Express & Dingle is the only outlet reporting this though. No other outlet has said this, no official word from FA so not on any viable sources such as sky sports etc. 

Birmingham Mail have put in there's that he'd be back for the final should we reach it.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-suffer-major-play-16260434 (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-suffer-major-play-16260434)

"He faces a one-game ban so he would be available for the final if Albion can overturn the deficit at The Hawthorns."


Would wait and see what the FA's official response is about it first.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Adamstv on May 11, 2019, 11:49:04 PM
EFL Quest have just said he is out for next 2 games and would miss the final.

Really crap decision by the referee. Never a yellow card and the first booking was a joke. When subs are made and they just walk off why not book them .
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Dan87uk on May 11, 2019, 11:54:33 PM
EFL Quest have just said he is out for next 2 games and would miss the final.

Really crap decision by the referee. Never a yellow card and the first booking was a joke. When subs are made and they just walk off why not book them .

Ah ok, in which case, that does indeed suck...
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie38 on May 12, 2019, 12:04:16 AM
What a shame the last we saw of him was walking off after being sent off. Thanks for the memories Dwight
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on May 12, 2019, 02:33:05 AM
Deservedly our Player of the Season and hope we do our best to sign him. Its obvious that he fits into our system. He made an error with his follow through on the Vila keeper, but given what he's done for our club, I think we can excuse him a slight error.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: webral on May 12, 2019, 03:15:29 AM
What a game to get a ref like that, gave everything to Villa, even excessive added time in each half. The only reason it's a two game ban is because of the retrospective ban earlier but how many players from any team this season have had a retrospective ban? Hourihane obviously didn't.
In the play-offs you need a bit of luck and it was certainly not with us today. It's not over but with bad luck, injuries, suspensions it doesn't feel like it was meant to be this season. Harvey Barnes recall before Puel was sacked was a killer blow but the way the club has been run, we'd be limping over the line if we do somehow turn it around and get promoted.
Gayle put in a very good performance in what would have been a large audience so I doubt he will be short of offers. I hope he's back here next season but don't think he will be.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Adder on May 12, 2019, 08:26:11 AM
He needs to start being more honest, he is good enough not to need to tw@t about
Agreed, he's getting a reputation. Said it before but Shane Long used to get called out as a diver on here but Gayle's diving and general antics are worse, there's usually 1 or 2 incidents per game.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 12, 2019, 10:40:07 AM
Agreed, he's getting a reputation. Said it before but Shane Long used to get called out as a diver on here but Gayle's diving and general antics are worse, there's usually 1 or 2 incidents per game.


Not sure what this has to do with anything as Gayle didn't get booked for diving yesterday.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheBrom on May 12, 2019, 10:42:50 AM
Fkin joke. The FA need to review the rules on 2 yellows absolute disgrace

The worst part about it all is that we can't appeal it because it was a yellow. Even though it means he'll miss 2 games so it's pretty much just as bad as a straight red. It's also ridiculous that they're taking into account the earlier ban as a reason for the 2 game ban this time. That wasn't a red if I remember correctly, and was the retrospective subjective decision that he'd dived.

I hope the FA are looking at the Grealish dive from yesterday for a retrospective ban too.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 12, 2019, 10:47:35 AM
The worst part about it all is that we can't appeal it because it was a yellow. Even though it means he'll miss 2 games so it's pretty much just as bad as a straight red. It's also ridiculous that they're taking into account the earlier ban as a reason for the 2 game ban this time. That wasn't a red if I remember correctly, and was the retrospective subjective decision that he'd dived.

I hope the FA are looking at the Grealish dive from yesterday for a retrospective ban too.

If they're not banning some like Houliereououou after throttling someone on TV then they aren't going to ban the star child Grealish.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on May 12, 2019, 12:57:38 PM
What I don't understand is where the extra game ban is coming from. If he served his previous ban then that should be it. If we get past Villa, the club must challenge the FA.
 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 12, 2019, 01:16:41 PM
What I don't understand is where the extra game ban is coming from. If he served his previous ban then that should be it. If we get past Villa, the club must challenge the FA.
 

2nd sending off triggers an extra game ban, Livermore had the same. Grey area though that Gayle was not previously sent off, he was given retrospective ban.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheBrom on May 12, 2019, 01:32:49 PM
2nd sending off triggers an extra game ban, Livermore had the same. Grey area though that Gayle was not previously sent off, he was given retrospective ban.

Yeah that's the bit I don't understand. He's not had a previous red card this season.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on May 12, 2019, 01:35:18 PM
Why did we risk Gayle being banned for the second leg and final? Was it worth it to lose such a critical player? The Villa bench and players were doing their upmost to get him sent off in that second half. We weren't doing any attacking anyway. It was a huge mistake not to have subbed him around the 70th minute, bring on field to close down Houlihan and push J-Rod up-front.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lewisant on May 12, 2019, 01:46:37 PM
Why did we risk Gayle being banned for the second leg and final? Was it worth it to lose such a critical player? The Villa bench and players were doing their upmost to get him sent off in that second half. We weren't doing any attacking anyway. It was a huge mistake not to have subbed him around the 70th minute, bring on field to close down Houlihan and push J-Rod up-front.

You've got to say yes it was worth it. He went for that ball he was eventually sent off for, but if that balls lands a couple of inches closer to Gayle it's 2-2 and no red card. Fine lines, no risk = no reward.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Adder on May 12, 2019, 05:46:15 PM

Not sure what this has to do with anything as Gayle didn't get booked for diving yesterday.
Just comment on his general behaviour on the pitch which may not help him - yesterday we had the face clutching after the hand in the face which was not bad enough for him to react like that.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 12, 2019, 05:54:50 PM
Just comment on his general behaviour on the pitch which may not help him - yesterday we had the face clutching after the hand in the face which was not bad enough for him to react like that.


And yet it got them a free kick doing the exact same. You cannot book someone for taking a throw in. It's not rocket science.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: kie the baggie on May 13, 2019, 12:42:32 AM
I don't think he will be banned should we get there, only couple of reports that are contradicting each other, I assume we will get proper clarification soon, the FA might look at it differently as the nature of the offences. ive only seen he will be banned via quest and EAS, but talksport and Sky sports seem to think 1 game ban
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: kirk on May 13, 2019, 06:10:38 AM
I hope he comes out before kick off and get the crowd whipped up
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mulliganstired on May 13, 2019, 07:41:48 AM
He wasn't sent off previously, and this deception thing is new - "natural" justice would say you can't change laws retrospectively so it would be a bit harsh if they did him for two games for this.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: MICKYMEL on May 13, 2019, 07:50:22 AM
Took to the Albion and we’ve took to him

Will miss him (and his new long throw!)

Absolute priority to sign him in summer
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 13, 2019, 12:58:43 PM
Absolute priority to sign him in summer

If we stay down, we won't have the money for him.

If we go up, he'll end up on the bench more often as he always has in that division.

Think either way we've seen the last of him in an Albion shirt.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 14, 2019, 10:04:15 AM
If we stay down, we won't have the money for him.

If we go up, he'll end up on the bench more often as he always has in that division.

Think either way we've seen the last of him in an Albion shirt.

If we go up (massive if I know) and signed him then there's no way he would be sitting on the bench in that division.  We aren't going to sign another 2 forwards who are better than him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 14, 2019, 01:12:22 PM
If we go up (massive if I know) and signed him then there's no way he would be sitting on the bench in that division.  We aren't going to sign another 2 forwards who are better than him.

There was a point when Robert Earnshaw and Kanu were our two best strikers, but we still started with Horsfield and Campbell up front.

The best team is not necessarily the best eleven players.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on May 15, 2019, 01:46:06 AM
There was a point when Robert Earnshaw and Kanu were our two best strikers, but we still started with Horsfield and Campbell up front.

The best team is not necessarily the best eleven players.
Good to see him there this evening cheering Dawson's goal.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Foster#1 on May 15, 2019, 02:01:37 AM
Has to be our main target.

Throw them 10m out of the 15 we get for rondon
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BalisPen on May 15, 2019, 05:02:29 AM
What became apparent last night was that holgate could take just as long throw in as DG, so why not have him in the area where is best and have MH take all the throw ins.

Surely, that must have been known to the coaching staff.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 15, 2019, 05:04:39 AM
Has to be our main target.

Throw them 10m out of the 15 we get for rondon

Well they will want Rondon and mike Ashley won't pay the money so Gayle plus £2-3mil will do the job. Need to build a team round him next year.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BalisPen on May 15, 2019, 06:31:05 AM
Well they will want Rondon and mike Ashley won't pay the money so Gayle plus £2-3mil will do the job. Need to build a team round him next year.

Tin hat time, but DG is turning 30 this year so spending in effect £15m on him is not viable imo long term and I have to hope we can get better value elsewhere on someone younger who has been scouted by LD and IP.

Rumours suggest others are interested in SR so hopefully someone like West ham, whose manager MP managed him at Malaga will fancy him.

I hope Rafa shafts Mike Ashley and leaves for Celtic as has been rumoured.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on May 15, 2019, 06:55:03 AM
Tin hat time, but DG is turning 30 this year so spending in effect £15m on him is not viable imo long term and I have to hope we can get better value elsewhere on someone younger who has been scouted by LD and IP.

Rumours suggest others are interested in SR so hopefully someone like West ham, whose manager MP managed him at Malaga will fancy him.

I hope Rafa shafts Mike Ashley and leaves for Celtic as has been rumoured.


I don't disagree but it is moot point the bigger obstacle is Gayle's current contract which still has 2 years left on it and is beyond what we can afford to pay.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 15, 2019, 12:00:38 PM
I think Newcastle will value Rondon higher so it's more a case of what extra we can get.  I'd even take a straight swap to be honest.  Yes, he's 30, but he's been absolutely brilliant this year.  If we don't sign him and assuming we keep J-Rod, then we'd be looking at bringing in 3 strikers in the summer.  I can't see us doing that.

I mentioned it in the match thread but his reaction when we scored was brilliant.  This is a guy who belongs to Newcastle, didn't need to be there at all last night and wouldn't have played anyway, yet he kicked every ball and the goal meant so much to him. 

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on May 15, 2019, 12:11:40 PM
Gayle + 5-10m for Rondon and it's a done deal. Both sets of fans seem to agree this works for both parties, let's hope our boards do too.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Oldbury24 on May 15, 2019, 12:24:02 PM

I don't disagree but it is moot point the bigger obstacle is Gayle's current contract which still has 2 years left on it and is beyond what we can afford to pay.

That's the reality that lands like a punch in the gut - we can't afford him.  I would love to see him here again but surely he must be a good punt for any team competing at the bottom of the PL who will take on the 40k wages as part of their Premier League adventure.  Look at the inexperience in Leed's forward line, surely he would improve their squad, even if not first choice every week.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 15, 2019, 12:35:25 PM
Hopefully Newcastle want Rondon and it would make sense all round.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 15, 2019, 01:11:32 PM
It would be fantastic to see him here permanently - but not something we should pursue.

We cannot afford to be paying a 29 year old £40k a week in this division.

This squad will need to be trimmed & our budgets need to be realigned as our income reduces.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: kris_boing on May 15, 2019, 01:13:54 PM
Quite a lot of top earners will be leaving.

It could happen and we should do our best to make sure he comes.

Imagine him with a younger, more creative and more pacey midfield.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 15, 2019, 01:17:28 PM
Quite a lot of top earners will be leaving.

It could happen and we should do our best to make sure he comes.

Imagine him with a younger, more creative and more pacey midfield.

He should have had that this season.

We wasted this season really.

Trying to get promoted on the cheap has cost us.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 15, 2019, 01:28:07 PM
I think we'll get him on loan as a sweetener for Rondon. I hope he is back with us next season regardless.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: phbaggies on May 15, 2019, 01:45:45 PM
I think we'll get him on loan as a sweetener for Rondon. I hope he is back with us next season regardless.
We don't get a say in Rondon as he has a release clause, if thats met then thats out of our hands, sweetener or no sweetener
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 15, 2019, 01:51:08 PM
We don't get a say in Rondon as he has a release clause, if thats met then thats out of our hands, sweetener or no sweetener

Ashley has already said he won't pay the release clause for a player of that age. He'll be looking to reduce the cash investment.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: phbaggies on May 15, 2019, 02:00:45 PM
Ashley has already said he won't pay the release clause for a player of that age. He'll be looking to reduce the cash investment.
If Newcastle wont, there will be clubs that will, Rondon at 16.5m is a bargain!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: bradleysrocket on May 15, 2019, 02:16:50 PM
If Newcastle wont, there will be clubs that will, Rondon at 16.5m is a bargain!
Has that release clause not expired though? I was under the impression it had a limited time to be exercised.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: phbaggies on May 15, 2019, 02:25:11 PM
Has that release clause not expired though? I was under the impression it had a limited time to be exercised.
Not as far as im aware, only thing that may diminish it is the fact he is out of contract at the end of next season so if no-one pays it now then his value falls rapidly as his contract whittles down
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gazberg on May 15, 2019, 02:32:50 PM
It did and it is reinstated every close season. If we got promoted it would have gone up to 20m
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 15, 2019, 03:23:06 PM
If Newcastle wont, there will be clubs that will, Rondon at 16.5m is a bargain!

Rondon has made it very clear that he wants to stay at Newcastle. You're right though, 16.5m is an absolute steal.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: smethwickw on May 15, 2019, 03:37:57 PM
If Newcastle wont, there will be clubs that will, Rondon at 16.5m is a bargain!

There were no takers for him last year at that price. Granted he's had a better season but he's another year older and has only a year left on his contract. Can't see Ashley paying out for him unless we can cut a deal involving Gayle. However I do think a lower Prem club will take a punt on Gayle.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 15, 2019, 03:41:29 PM
There were no takers for him last year at that price. Granted he's had a better season but he's another year older and has only a year left on his contract. Can't see Ashley paying out for him unless we can cut a deal involving Gayle. However I do think a lower Prem club will take a punt on Gayle.

Or maybe Fulham, they've been linked for a while and he is a Londoner so the appeal of going back down there might swing it.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: kirk on May 15, 2019, 06:02:03 PM
I think he might stay, he’s built up a good relationship with jay rod and it is obviously he has really enjoyed his time here. At the ground last night (even if some of our actual players weren’t ) and celebrated like mad when daws scored. Classy twitter post as well 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BalisPen on May 15, 2019, 06:20:59 PM
I think he might stay, he’s built up a good relationship with jay rod and it is obviously he has really enjoyed his time here. At the ground last night (even if some of our actual players weren’t ) and celebrated like mad when daws scored. Classy twitter post as well

I bet HRK was on his holidays telling all and sundry about his goal in the European championships.

If he wasn't fined 2 weeks wages for that red it says it all about our hierarchy.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 15, 2019, 06:44:35 PM
I bet HRK was on his holidays telling all and sundry about his goal in the European championships.

If he wasn't fined 2 weeks wages for that red it says it all about our hierarchy.

HRK was driving down the expressway into Bham at 6:30 last night.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: KN22 on May 15, 2019, 11:09:42 PM
Tin hat time, but DG is turning 30 this year so spending in effect £15m on him is not viable imo long term and I have to hope we can get better value elsewhere on someone younger who has been scouted by LD and IP.

Rumours suggest others are interested in SR so hopefully someone like West ham, whose manager MP managed him at Malaga will fancy him.

I hope Rafa shafts Mike Ashley and leaves for Celtic as has been rumoured.

Gayle is currently 28 years old
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on May 15, 2019, 11:13:37 PM
We have to move heaven and earth to sign Gayle, and get in another powerful striker to support him. J-Rod is a useful link player but doesn't do much from open play and HRK is a squad player. Hopefully Rondon's clause is taken and that £16m can fund Gayle and a bit more.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BalisPen on May 15, 2019, 11:14:28 PM
Gayle is currently 28 years old

His mother needs to update his wiki page then.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on May 15, 2019, 11:38:31 PM
Aside from how good he was for us this season, it was great to see him watching the game last night and clearing caring.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 15, 2019, 11:53:38 PM
Sell Rodriguez ,hegazi phillips 34m?

Keep Rondon (he’s more use to us than the 16m)
Sign Gayle 10m
Sign Bannan 3m
Resign Tosin on loan
Holgate on Loan
Tuenzabe on loan
Nick Powell on free

                           Johnstone
             Dawson.   Barkley.    Tosin/tuenzabe

Holgate.    Field.   Bannan. Livermore. Gibbs

                      Rondon.  Gayle

We walk the league ?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on May 15, 2019, 11:53:49 PM
Was Rondon there last night?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: vrabbit on May 16, 2019, 12:22:43 AM
Sell Rodriguez ,hegazi phillips 34m?

Keep Rondon (he’s more use to us than the 16m)
Sign Gayle 10m
Sign Bannan 3m
Resign Tosin on loan
Holgate on Loan
Tuenzabe on loan
Nick Powell on free

                           Johnstone
             Dawson.   Barkley.    Tosin/tuenzabe

Holgate.    Field.   Bannan. Livermore. Gibbs

                      Rondon.  Gayle

We walk the league ?

not sure selling those 3 guys nets you that much (average 11m per sale), and in that case (if I'm right) we wouldn't have the fund to buy Gayle outright. On the other hand, not selling Rondon and missing out on 15-20 million to let him go for free at the end of the season seems senseless. The best hope here is there's a bidding war between Newcastle/Everton/WHU that allows us to receive more than just the release clause of 16.5m (or in the case of a deal with NUFC, Gayle + some millions).
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: adamw1109 on May 16, 2019, 02:05:04 AM
HRK was driving down the expressway into Bham at 6:30 last night.

HRK pulled up to the hawthorns in the passenger seat of Livermores fancy Lamborghini at 6:30 last night  ;D
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BalisPen on May 16, 2019, 03:44:34 AM
not sure selling those 3 guys nets you that much (average 11m per sale), and in that case (if I'm right) we wouldn't have the fund to buy Gayle outright. On the other hand, not selling Rondon and missing out on 15-20 million to let him go for free at the end of the season seems senseless. The best hope here is there's a bidding war between Newcastle/Everton/WHU that allows us to receive more than just the release clause of 16.5m (or in the case of a deal with NUFC, Gayle + some millions).

Best case scenario is sell to Everton and get holgate on perm and niasse on loan plus £10-12m. They do tend to overpay (sigurdsson & tosin).



Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on May 17, 2019, 06:43:45 AM
Be surprised if we see Gayle here next season, I would imagine that a lower Premier League team would take a punt in him, the 3 promoted teams should definitely be interested.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: overseas baggie on May 17, 2019, 07:35:57 AM
Sheffield United apparently willing to break their transfer record to buy him
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 17, 2019, 08:19:58 AM
HRK pulled up to the hawthorns in the passenger seat of Livermores fancy Lamborghini at 6:30 last night  ;D

Somebody else was driving his car then - 7HRK went down the expressway and it certainly looked like him. My son took a photo.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: smosher34 on May 19, 2019, 10:46:40 PM
Can't afford his wages not be coming back confimed.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 19, 2019, 10:47:47 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/19/west-brom-will-not-sign-dwight-gayle-permanently-this-summer/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/19/west-brom-will-not-sign-dwight-gayle-permanently-this-summer/)

Blimey. That's a downer. I'm all for honesty, but give us a bit of hope and time to enjoy the amazing atmosphere last week, before you kill it.

He's off to Fulham by the sound of it or Sheff Utd.

No swap deal means Rondon will end up at Wolves..?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: leeiswba on May 19, 2019, 10:51:35 PM
Basically like I’ve been saying all year, we are absolutely skint.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie96 on May 19, 2019, 10:58:23 PM
Fair enough, sounds like the rebuild is happening. Suits me.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on May 19, 2019, 11:00:00 PM
I don't know why anyone is disappointed the facts of Championship life preclude us from signing players earning £55k a week. I am more concerned they would have done the deal in the Premier League which means we haven't got a proper handle on this recruitment malarkey. Although that is a bit of a moot point and easy for Dowling to say as a bit of a sop to those fans who are disappointed.

Basically like I’ve been saying all year, we are absolutely skint.


Not paying those sort of wages does not mean the club is absolutely skint.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Baggies on May 19, 2019, 11:00:36 PM
Not a shock, and the right decision (I don’t want to sell our ground and rent it back like Wednesday and Derby have in the last year).

Gayle has been brilliant and I have really enjoyed him being here, but we can’t afford 55k a week where we are going to be forr the next few years.

There is an argument to say he limits how you play as well, as he can’t play alone up front. Whoever does sign him though gets a great player.

On a slightly different note, i’m annoyed By the Barnes loan fee comment. I would hope we didn’t pay a big loan fee AND allow Leicester the option to take him back at the same time. What a s*** deal that is.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gazberg on May 19, 2019, 11:13:22 PM
No need to use the threat of having to fire low paid staff to try and pacify any backlash. This board know no bounds.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on May 19, 2019, 11:58:08 PM
Common sense move by the board. Time to rebuild and get salaries back in line with the level we play at.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on May 20, 2019, 12:27:45 AM
Sorry but this is genuinely appalling. Gayle increases our chances of promotion massively, he's the best striker in the division. He's worth his weight in gold, without players like him who drive the team on and off the pitch (they know there's always a goal in him), we're going to languish in this division.

Sod HRK and J-Rod off, Gayle scores more than both of them combined (And I bet their salaries add up to more than 55k a week). I'd rather have Gayle, Edwards and a young up and comer from a lower down team than J-Rod, Kanu and another plodder, and i'd be shocked if the former costs more than the latter.

Disgusted.

Edit: HRK and JRod are reportedly on combined salaries of 90k/pw according to Spotrac.com. Even with a 50% flex down that's 45k per week, and that's being generous enough to consider that they're taking a 50% pay cut which I doubt. I'd feel much better about a Gayle/Edwards/New upcoming striker attacking force next year than JRod/HRK/A low wage striker. We should be moving mountains to sign him, I can't believe we're letting him get away.

The board better have some masterstroke signing on the cards to make up for this.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: adamw1109 on May 20, 2019, 12:43:06 AM
Sorry but this is genuinely appalling. Gayle increases our chances of promotion massively, he's the best striker in the division. He's worth his weight in gold, without players like him who drive the team on and off the pitch (they know there's always a goal in him), we're going to languish in this division.

Sod HRK and J-Rod off, Gayle scores more than both of them combined (And I bet their salaries add up to more than 55k a week). I'd rather have Gayle, Edwards and a young up and comer from a lower down team than J-Rod, Kanu and another plodder, and i'd be shocked if the former costs more than the latter.

Disgusted.

Edit: HRK and JRod are reportedly on combined salaries of 90k/pw according to Spotrac.com. Even with a 50% flex down that's 45k per week, and that's being generous enough to consider that they're taking a 50% pay cut which I doubt. I'd feel much better about a Gayle/Edwards/New upcoming striker attacking force next year than JRod/HRK/A low wage striker. We should be moving mountains to sign him, I can't believe we're letting him get away.

The board better have some masterstroke signing on the cards to make up for this.

Don't be silly, they didn't have a plan for a new head coach when we didn't have one never mind for a striker when we got HRK at the club ready to score our goals for us because he has zero sell on value.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie38 on May 20, 2019, 06:11:17 AM
Even though I knew that this would happen its gutting seeing it in black and white.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 06:20:26 AM
Small time thinking and shows what kind of pond we'll be fishing in this year. Why not another loan with an option to sign permamantly next year?  Take the transfer fee out then we coild afford his wages.  For someone who is guaranteed to score 30+ goals, should be a no brainer.  Even if we didn't go up this season he would still bang goals in and would be in demand the following season where we could recoup the money.

I also don't agree with the idea he limits how you play.  You want to go up then you don't play a lone man up top on his own anyway.

And throwing in that line about laying off 'normal' staff is disgusting.  We were supposed to ne a financially well run club and now signing Gayle might mean laying off staff.  We are THAT close to the line eh?  In that case we haven't been well run, we've been fleeced.  What about investment Lai? 

Looking forward to seeing HRK leading the line on a regular basis next year.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 06:22:36 AM
And i agree with Ollie,  there's options to shift overpaid squad players to free up room for Gayle.  If there still isn't we are screwed and will be back to Pre-Megson days before we know it.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on May 20, 2019, 06:42:47 AM
How long before the club changes its name to Wet Bromwich Aldi-on?
Always long term thinking with short term strategy.
Sack the board
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2019, 07:07:18 AM
It's the right decision. I know some fans will be disappointed but I'm afraid they have to get real we cannot afford to be paying anyone £55K per week in the Championship, we just can't simple as that.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: section5 on May 20, 2019, 07:11:43 AM
Dont buy it. Amount of wages that will be moved on this summer. With sensible negotiating this could have been very much on the cards
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: GREGMT on May 20, 2019, 07:12:23 AM
Gayle’s goal per minute ratio was far higher than Rodriguez.  Also he scored far more in open play.

Does anyone actually analyse output /perform stats at Albion?  If Gayles wages are x2 that of HRK then surely that’s a good deal as he’s probably x4 the player.  I would have liked to have seen HRK released, Rondon / Rodriguez sold for £30m and Gayle signed plus a young back up striker for a nominal £1m.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tommcneill on May 20, 2019, 07:15:07 AM
This is the news we all dreaded

As usual can only see cheap signings and ones that will keep us in the championship for a long time.

Most of you preferred championship football well your wish will come true now. If we don’t sign players of this calibre that’s where we are staying until this owner leaves
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggies_24 on May 20, 2019, 07:15:33 AM
We shouldn’t be talking about transfers until the new manager is in place who knows he might want a target man up front so Gayle wouldn’t fit into his plans anyways. What this does highlight for me though is if we are unable or unwilling to pay the wages for someone like Gayle then we also need to shift out a lot of the higher earners at the club, I don’t know for a fact but i’d imagine Dawson, Livermore, Robson Kanu, Brunt are all up there with the highest earners and you’d have to question whether they are worth a starting place in first 11. The biggest wages need to be spent on the best players and if we can’t afford to pay Gayles wages because the 4 players above are restricting what we can pay then they need to be sold.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2019, 07:20:02 AM
This is the news we all dreaded

As usual can only see cheap signings and ones that will keep us in the championship for a long time.




Like Pukki at Norwich you mean?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 07:29:33 AM
It's the right decision. I know some fans will be disappointed but I'm afraid they have to get real we cannot afford to be paying anyone £55K per week in the Championship, we just can't simple as that.

Why can't we afford it? 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie_liam on May 20, 2019, 07:39:51 AM
This board will take us to L1 within the next 5 years, and still they’ll be people on here that back them and their decisions. This clownshow we have has no clue about anything! The feel good factor from the villa home game lasted all of a week! Gayle should have been priority! Build around him!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: hardtobeat on May 20, 2019, 07:40:03 AM
Timing seems well off as it is a right boot in the nuts to fans who have had early bird renewals rammed in their faces for some time and also is hardly likely to be encouraging anybody to take the managerial reins. I am more resigned than ever now to the ' Having explored all the options the board have decided unanimously that Michael was the best option ' headlines !!!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2019, 08:09:24 AM
Timing seems well off as it is a right boot in the nuts to fans who have had early bird renewals rammed in their faces for some time and also is hardly likely to be encouraging anybody to take the managerial reins.


Not true. To be honest you should've expected us not to sign Gayle permanently if we didn't go up.

Some people are acting like it's the end of the world, it really isn't, Norwich didn't have Gayle in their team last season they went up. Same with Sheffield United. Villa and Derby didn't have him either and they are both one game away from the Premier League.

Gayle isn't some sort of god there are other players around that can potentially get us promoted and we won't have to pay them £55K per week.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on May 20, 2019, 08:09:32 AM
I would imagine then, that the likes of Dawson, Hegazi, JRod, Gibbs, Livermore, Philips will also be moving on if its all down to lowering the wage bill?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2019, 08:13:01 AM
I would imagine then, that the likes of Dawson, Hegazi, JRod, Gibbs, Livermore, Philips will also be moving on if its all down to lowering the wage bill?


We all know some will move on, we've known that for months, in fact probably since we got relegated. Why these things come as a surprise to people I really don't know.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on May 20, 2019, 08:13:17 AM

Like Pukki at Norwich you mean?

He's had a phenomenal season.
Lets see what he does next season
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on May 20, 2019, 08:15:14 AM

We all know some will move on, we've known that for months, in fact probably since we got relegated. Why these things come as a surprise to people I really don't know.

A thing called human nature.
Like having an aged relative pass away.
You know it's going to happen, but still a shock when it does
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: skyclad99 on May 20, 2019, 08:20:50 AM
This board will take us to L1 within the next 5 years, and still they’ll be people on here that back them and their decisions. This clownshow we have has no clue about anything! The feel good factor from the villa home game lasted all of a week! Gayle should have been priority! Build around him!

I don't think it will take 5 years to get to L1 unfortunately. However, as I see it there are two problems with Dwight being on £55,000 a week, a) we cannot afford it, and b) all of the other players will be on half of that salary which will upset the team dynamics, either conciously or otherwise.

Last year we borrowed Sturridge and the Pole for ludicrously outrageous prices. Both totally failed to deliver but it dented our finances badly by the looks of it. I can understand the board not wanting to go there again.

As another posted has said, at least we are not going down the 'selling our ground to raise money' route, and I for one am pleased with that.

However, I will admit to being dissapointed in this news, even though I know it is the correct decision - I hope that Mr Dowling & Co have a 'cunning plan'.

  
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiejohn on May 20, 2019, 08:29:30 AM

Not true. To be honest you should've expected us not to sign Gayle permanently if we didn't go up.

Some people are acting like it's the end of the world, it really isn't, Norwich didn't have Gayle in their team last season they went up. Same with Sheffield United. Villa and Derby didn't have him either and they are both one game away from the Premier League.

Gayle isn't some sort of god there are other players around that can potentially get us promoted and we won't have to pay them £55K per week.

I would imagine it would be possible to pay Gayle £55k per week for the next campaign, but after that, we lose circa £30 million in parachute revenue, which means a 3/4 year contract wouldn't be possible.
Our annual income, excluding media payments, is around £23 million ( based on last year's accounts).
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2019, 08:45:15 AM
I would imagine it would be possible to pay Gayle £55k per week for the next campaign, but after that, we lose circa £30 million in parachute revenue, which means a 3/4 year contract wouldn't be possible.
Our annual income, excluding media payments, is around £23 million ( based on last year's accounts).


Yep exactly this. It'd be OK if we can guarantee promotion next season but no club can do that. We simply cannot lumber ourselves with huge wages with reduced money coming in. It'd be plain stupidity to do so.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: albion59 on May 20, 2019, 08:45:55 AM
He should have been the first one we made sure we kept. Disgusting from WBA again.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: darbolina on May 20, 2019, 08:46:03 AM
Maybe controversial - Gayle is of course a very good player at this level but I think we need a player who links up better and holds up the ball better if we're to actually try to play football next season. His goals will be missed if we don't replace throughout the team (imagine a team which could score more from midfield!).

Gayle is a natural finisher and deadly at Championship level but it's the whole team which needs rebuilding and this decision will only be able to be judged when that rebuild is complete.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on May 20, 2019, 08:52:59 AM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/19/west-brom-will-not-sign-dwight-gayle-permanently-this-summer/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/05/19/west-brom-will-not-sign-dwight-gayle-permanently-this-summer/)

Blimey. That's a downer. I'm all for honesty, but give us a bit of hope and time to enjoy the amazing atmosphere last week, before you kill it.

He's off to Fulham by the sound of it or Sheff Utd.

No swap deal means Rondon will end up at Wolves..?

Fair play for being straight with the fans some won't like it but they are the facts, our cloth must be cut accordingly. So I would expect J rod, Dawson and Hegarzi, Rondon and possibly Gibbs to go from that statement.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 20, 2019, 09:32:20 AM
He should have been the first one we made sure we kept. Disgusting from WBA again.


totally agree Keith, no wonder i cant be bothered anymore
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Dan on May 20, 2019, 09:37:28 AM
Gayle is an excellent player, probably the best striker at this level, but 55k a week in the championship is the kind of deal that can quickly lead to trouble for the club, particularly given he's 29 so his resale value will plumet after a season of injuries or bad form.

The club needs to shop smarter from next season.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: NJS on May 20, 2019, 09:39:00 AM
Gayle is a good finisher but I could not say that about his character after his suspension for blatant diving and unnecessary high tackle on Steer.  He also did not use his brain, on the throw in incident.  If the referee warns you then do as he says - did he think he was above all that?.  That's old fashioned thinking from me, I know, but he didn't actually pull up any trees for Newcastle in the EPL.

Players come and go.  It would be irretrievably awful if we sold and leased back the Shrine just for the sake of retaining/appeasing these mercenaries.

I'm just waiting to see what type of manager comes in.  That will be a real clue to Albion's near future.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 10:17:21 AM
Why do some people think we can't afford it?  We've been a well run club, financially, for years and now suddenly signing Gayle would put us so far into the red that we'll have to sell the ground and sack the tea lady and club staff.  It's laughable and it's clearly the club just setting the scene for us doing everything on the cheap, once again.

Put it this way, if J-Rod decides he wants to leave this summer like he considered last year, then that would leave us with HRK and Edwards.  Where are the goals going to come from?  £55k a week to guarantee 20-+ goals is fine.  To get promoted you need to score goals, it will only make sense if we replace Gayle with someone who will score a decent amount.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tommcneill on May 20, 2019, 10:21:31 AM

Like Pukki at Norwich you mean?

Youve picked one example of recent

Can you name another?

I get that there are bargains to be had elsewhere but absolutely no guarantee they will give the same quality Pukki has
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 10:26:02 AM
Nobody would complain about not signing Gayle if we signed another striker who was just as lethal and scored 20+ goals. 

The risk is our board finding the player and actually signing him.  We didn't end up with HRK on the books because our board have an eye for a quality bargain striker.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2019, 10:26:58 AM
Youve picked one example of recent

Can you name another?

I get that there are bargains to be had elsewhere but abcolutely no guarantee they will give the same quality Pukki has


Billy Sharp
Jack Marriott


Neither would be on the wages Gayle is on.

Of course there is no guarantee that's where the quality of the recruitment comes in.

We might bring in absolute rubbish. On the other hand we might not. Let's wait and see.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 20, 2019, 10:31:24 AM
Lets be honest anyone that truly believed we could afford to sign him on a permanent deal were nothing short of deluded. Once we missed out on promotion this summer was going to be all about cutting costs as much as possible and one of the reasons they blackmailed fans into renewing their tickets earlier as they knew what was coming.

Gayle has had a good season so we would have had real competition to get him back anyway.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tommcneill on May 20, 2019, 10:33:34 AM

Billy Sharp
Jack Marriott


Neither would be on the wages Gayle is on.

Of course there is no guarantee that's where the quality of the recruitment comes in.

We might bring in absolute rubbish. On the other hand we might not. Let's wait and see.

Jack Marriot scored 7 goals

Billy Sharp is 33 and had a season he will never match again at this level or above.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2019, 10:34:40 AM
Jack Marriot scored 7 goals

Billy Sharp is 33 and had a season he will never match again at this level or above.


But one won promotion and the other still might. We didn't With Gayle.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TiptonThrostle on May 20, 2019, 10:39:01 AM
sometimes you have to gamble a bit to get back into the greed league unfortunately. if you are not prepared to do that, then you have to be very very clever with your player recruitment and looking at how well we have done in that particular department over the last few years is nothing short of abysmal.

find it absolutely shocking that Lai's investment is decreasing constantly yet he refuses to put any money in to at least try and get it back to what it was.

wouldnt surprise me if someone like Leeds sign Gayle.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 10:44:01 AM

But one won promotion and the other still might. We didn't With Gayle.

So you're judging a player's worth on whether they won promotion?  And you think we should sign a 33 year old forward?  Or one that got 7 goals as a replacement for someone who scored 20+?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2019, 10:45:32 AM
sometimes you have to gamble a bit to get back into the greed league unfortunately. if you are not prepared to do that, then you have to be very very clever with your player recruitment and looking at how well we have done in that particular department over the last few years is nothing short of abysmal.

find it absolutely shocking that Lai's investment is decreasing constantly yet he refuses to put any money in to at least try and get it back to what it was.

wouldnt surprise me if someone like Leeds sign Gayle.


How many times?

Chinese law prohibits Lai from putting any money into the club for three years. The three years are up in September.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on May 20, 2019, 10:47:35 AM
I'm sure we could have sorted a 'payment plan' out if we had thought it through.
£25k a week and a £1.5m bonus if we get promoted.
The Rondon money alone would more than cover that.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: geoff on May 20, 2019, 10:50:22 AM
Looks like the dye is set for a complete rebuild from top to bottom & its going to be a long haul guys & gals.
The appointment of our next manager has now moved on to the highest level.
COYB   
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on May 20, 2019, 10:50:55 AM
This is a massive blow to our hopes of scoring enough goals next season. Whilst I understand we have to, broadly speaking, balance our books, why cannot we at least loan Gayle for a season? That may be our best hope of getting promotion again. We should have alot of extra funds flowing in from the sale of Rondon. We still have Rondon to use as a bargaining chip with Newcastle. 
If our attack next season consists of HRK and one from the academy, it will be a case of being grateful for 0-0 draws at places like Barnsley. Before you know it we'll be looking over our shoulder at League 1.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: sing on our own on May 20, 2019, 10:56:32 AM

How many times?

Chinese law prohibits Lai from putting any money into the club for three years. The three years are up in September.
If you think Lai will spend if any restrictions are lifted you may be in for a shock. He said when he bought the club it would continue to be self funding and he wouldn’t put his money in. One of the few statements he’s ever made but he made that clear, so why do you or others who cling onto this notion of when September comes he’s suddenly going to splash the cash?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 20, 2019, 11:00:28 AM
If you don't value a guaranteed 20-30 goals at this level as well as plenty of assists (including winning penalties), at 55k/week, then we are really just accepting our Championship status. If it means running lighter on numbers in other areas by utilising utility players then so be it. Without Gayle this season, we would have been well down the table from 4th.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: skyclad99 on May 20, 2019, 11:06:00 AM
I'm sure we could have sorted a 'payment plan' out if we had thought it through.
£25k a week and a £1.5m bonus if we get promoted.
The Rondon money alone would more than cover that.

So a £30k a week wage reduction with the promise of a bonus if we get promoted? And how much do we have to pay the other players bonuswise?

I wish it was as simple as that. As much as Dwight likes us as a club I dont think for one second that he is prepared to lose £120,000 a month to live here..... 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiejohn on May 20, 2019, 11:07:47 AM
If you think Lai will spend if any restrictions are lifted you may be in for a shock. He said when he bought the club it would continue to be self funding and he wouldn’t put his money in. One of the few statements he’s ever made but he made that clear, so why do you or others who cling onto this notion of when September comes he’s suddenly going to splash the cash?


I can't ever remember him saying that, but if you can find a quote I'm happy to be proved wrong.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 20, 2019, 11:11:41 AM
Gayle has no affiliation to this club so is not going to take a wage cut to come to us, yeah he probably enjoyed most of his loan spell but his next move will be his last big one, he's 28 and there will be clubs that are prepared to pay for him and give him the wages he's currently on or maybe better depending where he goes so no way will he take a pay cut.

He's also still got 2 years left at Newcastle so any fee will be more than we realistically can be spending at this stage.

It did also say we cannot sign him permanently so there is still hope that we can do something to get him back on loan depending on what happens with Rondon going there and then maybe next Summer if a miracle happens and we do go back up we can look at a perm deal but if someone else comes in he will go there if its right for him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2019, 11:18:29 AM
If you think Lai will spend if any restrictions are lifted you may be in for a shock. He said when he bought the club it would continue to be self funding and he wouldn’t put his money in. One of the few statements he’s ever made but he made that clear, so why do you or others who cling onto this notion of when September comes he’s suddenly going to splash the cash?


I didn't say he would I was answering another post.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: sing on our own on May 20, 2019, 11:19:06 AM

I can't ever remember him saying that, but if you can find a quote I'm happy to be proved wrong.
it was one of the first things he said in his statement the day he took over. Pretty sure it was even in the programme. If not use the power of google my friend or ask any Albion fan who has a memory of facts and  not what they hope for.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiejohn on May 20, 2019, 11:26:15 AM
it was one of the first things he said in his statement the day he took over. Pretty sure it was even in the programme. If not use the power of google my friend or ask any Albion fan who has a memory of facts and  not what they hope for.

There you go! Done your homework for you

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Guochuan Lai commented: “I am excited and privileged to have the chance to become the new owner of this great Club. We have a strong squad, loyal fans and a unique culture. My immediate priorities will be to maintain the Club’s stable structure, respecting its well-run nature and its heritage. I have no intention of changing the Club’s ethos.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on May 20, 2019, 11:31:34 AM
55k week is about £3m once tax taken into account. Rondon is going for 16.5m. 3 year deal for Gayle cost £9m on wages. Leaves £7.5m towards his transfer fee, plus money to come in from other sales. The club as basically committing to a conservative agenda and championship wages across the board. The squad is going to be ripped apart. No idea how they expect to get promotion with this plan. Back to 1990s and mid table mediocrity.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on May 20, 2019, 11:32:00 AM
If anyone was in any doubt, then welcome to the harsh realities of the Championship and there's more to come
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TiptonThrostle on May 20, 2019, 11:45:14 AM
If you think Lai will spend if any restrictions are lifted you may be in for a shock. He said when he bought the club it would continue to be self funding and he wouldn’t put his money in. One of the few statements he’s ever made but he made that clear, so why do you or others who cling onto this notion of when September comes he’s suddenly going to splash the cash?

Exactly. its not going to happen. he has no intention what so ever of putting his own money into the club. just find it bizarre when he purchased WBA for top end value and is now probably worth 25-30% of what he paid for it.

like others have said, why cant we loan gayle for another season and use it as part of selling rondon ?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2019, 11:49:28 AM
55k week is about £3m once tax taken into account. Rondon is going for 16.5m. 3 year deal for Gayle cost £9m on wages. Leaves £7.5m towards his transfer fee, plus money to come in from other sales. The club as basically committing to a conservative agenda and championship wages across the board. The squad is going to be ripped apart. No idea how they expect to get promotion with this plan. Back to 1990s and mid table mediocrity.


Have you looked at our squad without last seasons loanees? We need to bring in half a dozen just to replace those players let alone replacing players that may leave. That is going to cost money. If we spend it all on Gayle who else we going to be able to bring in? We have no right back, only 3 CH's, two strikers there's six players just to balance the squad.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TiptonThrostle on May 20, 2019, 11:53:44 AM

Have you looked at our squad without last seasons loanees? We need to bring in half a dozen just to replace those players let alone replacing players that may leave. That is going to cost money. If we spend it all on Gayle who else we going to be able to bring in? We have no right back, only 3 CH's, two strikers there's six players just to balance the squad.

from the clubs POV with Gayle, i think we may replace those players and still be financially better off  and will cost us nothing.

players like Dawson, Hegazi, Gibbs, Rodriguez and Rondon will all definitely go and all fetch transfer fees.

Rondon has a £16.5m release clause which someone will pay. the other 4 combined will fetch at least £20-25m.

so does anyone think we  are going to spend £40m plus on replacing those players???

we will replace them with players of the same calibre like Townsend. players doing well at league 1 & 2 and bottom end of the championship, yes who will cost money but will cost a lot less wages than those 5 players mentioned and transfer fees too.

we will have a mid table squad next year at best and will actually make money IMO.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2019, 11:55:25 AM
from the clubs POV with Gayle, i think we may replace those players and still be financially better off  and will cost us nothing.

players like Dawson, Hegazi, Gibbs, Rodriguez and Rondon will all definitely go and all fetch transfer fees.

Rondon has a £16.5m release clause which someone will pay. the other 4 combined will fetch at least £20-25m.

so you think we are going to spend £40m plus on replacing those players???

we will replace them with players of the same calibre like Townsend. players doing well at league 1 & 2 and bottom end of the championship, yes who will cost money but will cost a lot less wages than those 5 players mentioned and transfer fees too.

we will have a mid table squad next year at best and will actually make money IMO.


You have no way of knowing what players will go. You cannot sign someone purely on the presumption that someone else will leave for a start.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 12:00:19 PM

You have no way of knowing what players will go. You cannot sign someone purely on the presumption that someone else will leave for a start.

Of course you can.  We'd be signing Gayle to replace, well, Gayle.  We are ALREADY 2 or 3 strikers down so we definitely need to sign at least 1.  Why wouldn't you be interested in the best striker in the Championship?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2019, 12:02:43 PM
Of course you can.  We'd be signing Gayle to replace, well, Gayle.  We are ALREADY 2 or 3 strikers down so we definitely need to sign at least 1.  Why wouldn't you be interested in the best striker in the Championship?


We're probably going to be bringing in seven / eight players maybe more. Now we can bring in absolute rubbish on rock bottom wages or we can bring in some promising talent on decent (but not Premier League) wages. Which would you prefer?



Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 12:05:27 PM

We're probably going to be bringing in seven / eight players maybe more. Now we can bring in absolute rubbish on rock bottom wages or we can bring in some promising talent on decent (but not Premier League) wages. Which would you prefer?

Well, firstly, I will say this "You have no way of knowing what players we will sign".  It works both ways.

I would prefer us to bring in players who are going to give us a serious promotion push, aiming for top two.  Gayle is one of these, it's as simple as that. 

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2019, 12:08:02 PM
Well, firstly, I will say this "You have no way of knowing what players we will sign".  It works both ways.

I would prefer us to bring in players who are going to give us a serious promotion push, aiming for top two.  Gayle is one of these, it's as simple as that.


I know for certain we will bring players in because if we don't we simply can't function.

We're going to make no promotion push with no squad of players to utilise that is for certain.

Gayle didn't get us up last season did he? In fact most of the games he didn't play in we won including the Villa play off game at home.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: kc56wba on May 20, 2019, 12:14:20 PM
Gayle has no affiliation to this club so is not going to take a wage cut to come to us, yeah he probably enjoyed most of his loan spell but his next move will be his last big one, he's 28 and there will be clubs that are prepared to pay for him and give him the wages he's currently on or maybe better depending where he goes so no way will he take a pay cut.

He's also still got 2 years left at Newcastle so any fee will be more than we realistically can be spending at this stage.

It did also say we cannot sign him permanently so there is still hope that we can do something to get him back on loan depending on what happens with Rondon going there and then maybe next Summer if a miracle happens and we do go back up we can look at a perm deal but if someone else comes in he will go there if its right for him.

OldburyWBA fully agree with your post.

Yes we are disappointed with the news, but just wish our fans would look at all the facts before shouting for everyone to get the bed sheets out ( Facebook at it again ).   
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 12:19:33 PM
@Atomic

But you don't know which players we will be bringing in so forcing the decision into a binary one like you have is unfair, especially considering your stance regarding other people's thoughts on the squad and who we might buy.  Why can't we buy Gayle and "promising talent on decent (but not Premier League) wages"? 

"Gayle didn't get us up last season did he? In fact most of the games he didn't play in we won including the Villa play off game at home."

I don't think any single player is to blame for us not getting promotion.  By your logic we don't need any of our current squad because they all failed to get us promoted.  Clearly Gayle was one of the bright points and was definitely one of the reasons why we came close to getting promoted.  Are you realistically tell me that if we'd not played Gayle we would have been better off this season?   :)

The board have come out and have signalled their intention to do everything on the cheap.  I don't see how anyone can be happy with that.

Gayle had 24 goals last season, 2 assists, and won, what 6? 8? penalties?  You think we can replace that on the cheap?  It's not impossible but this board has hardly got a recent history of making quality transfers. 

You get promoted by scoring goals.  Gayle will score goals.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on May 20, 2019, 12:24:29 PM

I know for certain we will bring players in because if we don't we simply can't function.

We're going to make no promotion push with no squad of players to utilise that is for certain.


Gayle didn't get us up last season did he? In fact most of the games he didn't play in we won including the Villa play off game at home.

Yes, I'm sure we would bring in players, but I can't see them being anywhere near the quality up top we will need. Probably another Anichebe or Murphy who would be inside our budget, but will not get us the goals.
Yes, the team put in a fantastic performance v Villa in terms of commitment, but clearly they raised their game for the occasion. Are they going to do that 46 matches a season?
I can't see a forward line with HRK and Leko producing over 46 matches.
We are not going to find a better striker than Gayle in the market we now find ourselves.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2019, 12:25:12 PM
@Atomic

But you don't know which players we will be bringing in so forcing the decision into a binary one like you have is unfair, especially considering your stance regarding other people's thoughts on the squad and who we might buy.  Why can't we buy Gayle and "promising talent on decent (but not Premier League) wages"? 

"Gayle didn't get us up last season did he? In fact most of the games he didn't play in we won including the Villa play off game at home."

I don't think any single player is to blame for us not getting promotion.  By your logic we don't need any of our current squad because they all failed to get us promoted.  Clearly Gayle was one of the bright points and was definitely one of the reasons why we came close to getting promoted.  Are you realistically tell me that if we'd not played Gayle we would have been better off this season?   :)

The board have come out and have signalled their intention to do everything on the cheap.  I don't see how anyone can be happy with that.

Gayle had 24 goals last season, 2 assists, and won, what 6? 8? penalties?  You think we can replace that on the cheap?  It's not impossible but this board has hardly got a recent history of making quality transfers. 

You get promoted by scoring goals.  Gayle will score goals.


We're losing millions of pounds of parachute payments of course we have to do things cheaper.

You're blaming the board and Dowling but it wasn't Dowling who sanctioned paying Gregorz Krychowiak £120K a week for doing fk all. It wasn't Dowling who sanctioned bringing in Daniel Sturridge who did even less and it wasn't Dowling who brought Oli Burke in for £15 million.

We are left with the mess all that has created and we've got to get out of it.

Yes fans are disappointed but Dowling has asked us to trust him. Let's let the guy do his job before we hammer him.

The club is bigger than Dwight Gayle and he is not the only person in the world that can score goals.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 12:31:57 PM
@Atomic

We are losing millions of pounds yes, but you still get to choose where the money we do have is spent. 

I don't see why you're going on about Burke, Sturridge and Krychowiak.  Firstly I don't remember anyone complaining when we signed them so it's not good now using hindsight to say they were terrible transfers.    They also had ZERO effect on last season and will have zero effect on next season. 

We will not get out of the mess we're in by refusing to sign players who will get you 20+ goals a season.  Your position seems weird, on one hand you're saying "you don't know who we will let go", then acknowledging that you don't know who we will sign, then you're convinced we will buy a replacement who will score as many goals.  While also writing off Gayle's contribution last season.

Look, if we sign a replacement who is as good or better, on a fraction of the money, who scores 20+ goals next seasons and wins penalties, then yeah, I'm wrong.  What on earth makes you think the board will do that?  The fact we signed HRK?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2019, 12:34:08 PM
@Atomic

We are losing millions of pounds yes, but you still get to choose where the money we do have is spent. 

I don't see why you're going on about Burke, Sturridge and Krychowiak.  Firstly I don't remember anyone complaining when we signed them so it's not good now using hindsight to say they were terrible transfers.    They also had ZERO effect on last season and will have zero effect on next season. 



Yes they have. They've had a massive affect on our finances which controls what we can and can't do.



Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 20, 2019, 12:39:58 PM
Hardly surprising - we cannot afford those wages in the Championship.

I think this failure to get promotion is going to be a massive reality check to some supporters come August.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 12:43:54 PM

Yes they have. They've had a massive affect on our finances which controls what we can and can't do.
Sturridge wasn't here last season, neither was Greg.  Burke has been out on loan, no idea on how much wages we've paid.    Again, nobody complained when we signed those players.  Some players work out, some don't. 

What relevance does this have to this coming season?  How long do you go back?  What about finishing 10th and the positive effect that had on our finances?  What about all the Prem money from last season?  Or the parachute payments that we get now?  Signing those players didn't put us in this position, a board making consecutive poor decisions has.

Your position seems to be "you can't complain about not signing Gayle because we did better without him anyway and remember we signed a few players on loan 2 seasons ago", coupled with a bit of "we'll sign someone better anyway".

If you're happy with us buying players on the cheap then fair play, I hope it all works out for you. 

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2019, 12:45:00 PM
Sturridge wasn't here last season, neither was Greg.  Burke has been out on loan, no idea on how much wages we've paid.    Again, nobody complained when we signed those players.  Some players work out, some don't. 

What relevance does this have to this coming season?  How long do you go back?  What about finishing 10th and the positive effect that had on our finances?  What about all the Prem money from last season?  Or the parachute payments that we get now?  Signing those players didn't put us in this position, a board making consecutive poor decisions has.

Your position seems to be "you can't complain about not signing Gayle because we did better without him anyway and remember we signed a few players on loan 2 seasons ago", coupled with a bit of "we'll sign someone better anyway".

If you're happy with us buying players on the cheap then fair play, I hope it all works out for you.



I give up.

Someone else explain to him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on May 20, 2019, 12:46:24 PM
Gayle did a good job for us last season and he would be probably do another good job for us next season. However, he has to come to us on our terms. We can't have players demanding what they want. 

At the end of the day he is a good championship striker, not a premier league one. Its up to us to build a team with a long term view. We tried a quick fix this season by bringing in loan players such as Gayle and it failed. We now have to get strikers ( and other players) from maybe lower leagues or abroad and gel them into a team capable of winning the championship.  It's no good trying to get into the premier league via the play offs. The last 10 teams that have done that 7 have been relegated within 2 seasons, 6 in the 1st season.

Lets face it Gayle was out scored this season by Pukki of Norwich and Malpauy of Brentford. I bet no one would have predicted that at the start of the season.  So we have got to find the next Pukki or Malpauy and at the same time get a decent midfield.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 20, 2019, 12:47:42 PM
Why do some people think we can't afford it?  We've been a well run club, financially, for years and now suddenly signing Gayle would put us so far into the red that we'll have to sell the ground and sack the tea lady and club staff.  It's laughable and it's clearly the club just setting the scene for us doing everything on the cheap, once again.

Put it this way, if J-Rod decides he wants to leave this summer like he considered last year, then that would leave us with HRK and Edwards.  Where are the goals going to come from?  £55k a week to guarantee 20-+ goals is fine.  To get promoted you need to score goals, it will only make sense if we replace Gayle with someone who will score a decent amount.

Some people think we can't afford it because we genuinely can't afford it. The last twelve months in the Premier league, with the mismanagement, and the pay-offs for those responsible for that, we have seriously dented our finances. As Jenkins said, there used to be £40 million in the bank - in the space of 12-18 months, that had mostly gone.

We haven't been run well for a few years now, and it's set us back to where we were 10 years ago - maybe further. This is where a decent scouting network like Norwich would come in handy, but Pulis dismantled what was left of ours after Ashworth left.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on May 20, 2019, 12:49:00 PM
The club have implemented a Championship level wage cap, broken for Gayle and a few others (Holgate, Tosin, Barnes, Murphy, Johansen) last season to see if we can bounce back. No chance of breaking the cap next season and players will need to be sold to balance the books for FFP rules.

Some think we can't afford it because we can't, about 75% of our Premier league money went on players wage. There is no premier league money sitting in our balance sheet. I doubt Lai will see a return on his investment in the club.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on May 20, 2019, 12:51:58 PM

Like Pukki at Norwich you mean?

When's the last time we signed a Pukki?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 20, 2019, 12:53:25 PM
When's the last time we signed a Pukki?


This summer  ;)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 12:54:32 PM


I give up.

Someone else explain to him.

Thanks but don't be so condescending if that's ok.

I understand about finances, I run my own company.  I would rather have a Gayle on £55k a week than two HRK's on £28k a week.  I would rather have Morrison and Brunt shipped out and use their wages on Gayle.  Saying we can't afford him isn't taking into account anything else that may or may not go on.

To say we can't afford him, before we've even looked at the rest of the squad, the incomings and outgoings, what the new manager wants\doesn't want etc, is purely an exercise in the board to get fans to readjust their expectations for this and the following seasons and let us know we will be doing things on the cheap. 

What if a new manager comes in and says he wants Gayle and would sacrifice a few quad fillers.  What about all the money we could save on player's wages and receive in transfer fees?  The announcement is nothing to do with whether we can afford him or not, it's all to do with getting fans to think that we can't afford players of that calibre.

Buckle up, it's going to be a tough few years.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 12:59:04 PM
The club have implemented a Championship level wage cap, broken for Gayle and a few others (Holgate, Tosin, Barnes, Murphy, Johansen) last season to see if we can bounce back. No chance of breaking the cap next season and players will need to be sold to balance the books for FFP rules.

Some think we can't afford it because we can't, about 75% of our Premier league money went on players wage. There is no premier league money sitting in our balance sheet.

But Tosin, Holgate, Barnes, Murphy, Johansen won't be here this year.  Current players have write down agreements in their contracts.  We will also lose some of our big hitters in the summer.  We are not trying to operate on Premiership wages while in the Championship.  It doesn't mean that you can't have some players earning more if their worth to the squad makes it worth while.  A striker that will get you 20+ goals a season is one of those. 

Like I said, it's fine if we sign someone who can do it.  But if J-Rod leaves that leaves us with nothing and our board have set their stall out that we'll be doing this on the cheap. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on May 20, 2019, 01:01:38 PM
Thanks but don't be so condescending if that's ok.

I understand about finances, I run my own company.  I would rather have a Gayle on £55k a week than two HRK's on £28k a week.  I would rather have Morrison and Brunt shipped out and use their wages on Gayle.  Saying we can't afford him isn't taking into account anything else that may or may not go on.

To say we can't afford him, before we've even looked at the rest of the squad, the incomings and outgoings, what the new manager wants\doesn't want etc, is purely an exercise in the board to get fans to readjust their expectations for this and the following seasons and let us know we will be doing things on the cheap. 

What if a new manager comes in and says he wants Gayle and would sacrifice a few quad fillers.  What about all the money we could save on player's wages and receive in transfer fees?  The announcement is nothing to do with whether we can afford him or not, it's all to do with getting fans to think that we can't afford players of that calibre.

Buckle up, it's going to be a tough few years.

That is the crux of the problem. Stick a bunch of employees in the same room doing a similar job and let them know one of them is on double the rest, the green eyed monster would soon appear as quickly as the team harmony disappears. It won't be just two HRK it will be at least 10 other players as well. You can get away with it last season as it's a one off, if we bounce back up everyone gets a slice of the premier league pie.

Who do you play if Gayle is injured/exhausted/off form/Suspended if you have sold all of our other strikers to fund him?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: smethwickw on May 20, 2019, 01:03:04 PM
Has anyone considered the fact that Gayle may not want to return here? He may have already stated this to the club with Dowling spinning the line of not being able to afford him. After such a good season here I'm sure he won't be short of a few attractive offers elsewhere.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on May 20, 2019, 01:03:29 PM
I'd be amazed if we pick up a Pukki. But Norwich have the benefit of a manager who had first hand knowledge of the German leagues market. I'm not sure if we have any scouts in Europe.
I can understand the need to balance our books. But we are going to be extremly fortunate to find a goalscorer who can produce 20+ goals in the Championship. You have to look at it from the players' perspective. Who would be interested in coming to West Brom? Basically lower division players, or others struggling to get a game in the Prem.
Despite what Dowling has said, I hope he is still open to seeing if a deal can be done with Newcastle over Rondon and Gayle.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on May 20, 2019, 01:05:24 PM
But Tosin, Holgate, Barnes, Murphy, Johansen won't be here this year.  Current players have write down agreements in their contracts.  We will also lose some of our big hitters in the summer.  We are not trying to operate on Premiership wages while in the Championship.  It doesn't mean that you can't have some players earning more if their worth to the squad makes it worth while.  A striker that will get you 20+ goals a season is one of those. 

Like I said, it's fine if we sign someone who can do it.  But if J-Rod leaves that leaves us with nothing and our board have set their stall out that we'll be doing this on the cheap.

They won't be here but the club will have a contingency plan on how to fund their premier league wages and failure to bounce back. I suspect we have borrowed money this season to fund their wages, that money has to be paid back and the parachute money decreases next season as well so we need to adjust to that as well.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 01:11:48 PM
Has anyone considered the fact that Gayle may not want to return here? He may have already stated this to the club with Dowling spinning the line of not being able to afford him. After such a good season here I'm sure he won't be short of a few attractive offers elsewhere.

Why would Dowling cover for him? 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 01:13:19 PM
That is the crux of the problem. Stick a bunch of employees in the same room doing a similar job and let them know one of them is on double the rest, the green eyed monster would soon appear as quickly as the team harmony disappears. It won't be just two HRK it will be at least 10 other players as well. You can get away with it last season as it's a one off, if we bounce back up everyone gets a slice of the premier league pie.

Who do you play if Gayle is injured/exhausted/off form/Suspended if you have sold all of our other strikers to fund him?

This happens now, it will happen when we lower our wages, we aren't suddenly going to pay our players the same.  It might be that some players are on £10k and others are on £20k.  The problem doesn't go away.  We don't sell all of our strikers to fund Gayle, we could certainly afford to sell get HRK off the books though - would anyone notice?

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 01:14:42 PM
They won't be here but the club will have a contingency plan on how to fund their premier league wages and failure to bounce back. I suspect we have borrowed money this season to fund their wages, that money has to be paid back and the parachute money decreases next season as well so we need to adjust to that as well.

You might be right, in which case the board have screwed this club over.  If our gamble was a one off, one season gamble, then going into it with Big Dave at the helm, then sacking him without a replacement is a huge dereliction of duty.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: smethwickw on May 20, 2019, 01:34:01 PM
Why would Dowling cover for him?

He's hardly going to come out and say he has no interest in re-joining us. Like I said I expect he'll attract a lot of interest this summer and can see a newly promoted side taking a punt.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on May 20, 2019, 01:34:17 PM
You might be right, in which case the board have screwed this club over.  If our gamble was a one off, one season gamble, then going into it with Big Dave at the helm, then sacking him without a replacement is a huge dereliction of duty.

Agreed. I have been quite vocal about the board's incompetence in sacking Moore, the boards failure to replace Barn's or get cover in for Phillips, and that is before the debacle started of not bothering to get another manager in. However we still finished stronger than the other two relegated teams; Stoke must be absolutely bricking it they made some big money signings and are talking about a £35 million write down on two players just to get their wages off the books.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: divinewind on May 20, 2019, 01:38:05 PM
Never mind his wage demands were probably too high, they usually are for a 20 goal per season striker.
Now, let's find a young striker with pace, who can score 15-20 goals per season and isn't that bothered about wages.
Shouldn't be hard.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on May 20, 2019, 01:39:40 PM
Why would Dowling cover for him?

Because it could show the incompetence of the board and this is nothing more than a PR exercise.

A comment along the lines of "I'm not signing for you as you sacked DM who I really liked and was pivotal to me singing, can't tell me who the new manager is and are about to rebuild the squad selling your best players while I will have to take a pay cut. - Yeah, I think I will pass."
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: WBArgo on May 20, 2019, 01:40:48 PM
Not surprised in the slightest, you could tell it was going to happen the way our club was talking in the press about a re-build, younger players etc.

I think in this day and age around £50k p/w is correct for him, we just can no-longer afford it. We need to try and mimic the Dan Ashworth model again and look for foreign/lower league gems. Of course that is easier said than done as it failed in the Irvine season (Gamboa, Davidson, Blanco etc) but even more recently Hegazi proved there's still cheap and good signings abroad.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on May 20, 2019, 01:45:27 PM
Never mind his wage demands were probably too high, they usually are for a 20 goal per season striker.
Now, let's find a young striker with pace, who can score 15-20 goals per season and isn't that bothered about wages.
Shouldn't be hard.

I trust and assume you are testing out forum members sense of irony/humour.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on May 20, 2019, 01:46:43 PM
Some very good posts in this threat mocking the club's strategy if you can call it that. We can't afford to pay Gayle £55k a week but we can afford to employe Brunt and HRK for another 12 months. That is madness. I would argue we can't afford not to sign Gayle if we have any ambition of mounting a promotion push. Sell Rondon and Livermore, use their fees to fund Gayle and use whoever else we flog (Dawson, Hegazi etc) on the rest of the squad. Gayle should be earning 2/3 times the rest of them, he's the best player. Without his goals and assists we wouldn't have made the top 6. You have to wonder what Hughton is going to make of all of this when he sits down for a chat. The remit is to get promoted on a shoe-string...easy peasy.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: kendo on May 20, 2019, 02:00:00 PM
We all know  what will happen. Rondon will come back to haunt us at the wolves. Gayle will go on scoring goals who ever he goes to and we have a certain Kanu. What a  joke. How is he still on the retain list along with Brunt. They should both be out of the club without a second thought. When you look at the squad, How many would you really want to keep, Not many. I think we have got to accept we are going nowhere, Look how long selecting a manager is taking and then it will be the cheapest option they can find. Same old song with this lot in charge, No ambition, No idea. We will do well to still be in the championship after next season.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on May 20, 2019, 02:01:03 PM
Now let me think !!?, i have options available to me, i have just scored 20plus goals last season when I was injured for a while and also played out on the wing which isnt my best position.
 
I enjoyed the experience and they are a good set of lads, but already a few have gone and a lot more are likely to be off, I dunno who will be there next season, they could be a right load of tossers for all I know.

The wages were good, but they will be asking me take a significant cut and well i aint getting no younger!
If I can get a gig with one of the promoted teams or even one of the relegated ones, I should get a decent whack and i might get a bonus in the form of a signing on fee.

New manager coming as well, I dunno, no certainty, less dosh, new faces, I might as well tell agent fella to get me out of here, will cheer him up as well as he'll get a slice of the action, happy days! Tara a bit!!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on May 20, 2019, 02:11:33 PM
I'm sure we could have sorted a 'payment plan' out if we had thought it through.
£25k a week and a £1.5m bonus if we get promoted.
The Rondon money alone would more than cover that.
I like that thinking, however we would be asking him to take a huge pay cut with no guarantee of the bonus.
I don't believe he would go for that, football is now too greedy in general.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: divinewind on May 20, 2019, 03:07:36 PM
Not surprised in the slightest, you could tell it was going to happen the way our club was talking in the press about a re-build, younger players etc.

I think in this day and age around £50k p/w is correct for him, we just can no-longer afford it. We need to try and mimic the Dan Ashworth model again and look for foreign/lower league gems. Of course that is easier said than done as it failed in the Irvine season (Gamboa, Davidson, Blanco etc) but even more recently Hegazi proved there's still cheap and good signings abroad.

Yes i am sure there are more Simon Cox's waiting to be plucked from the lower divisions.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 20, 2019, 03:19:08 PM
We all know  what will happen. Rondon will come back to haunt us at the wolves. Gayle will go on scoring goals who ever he goes to and we have a certain Kanu. What a  joke. How is he still on the retain list along with Brunt. They should both be out of the club without a second thought. When you look at the squad, How many would you really want to keep, Not many. I think we have got to accept we are going nowhere, Look how long selecting a manager is taking and then it will be the cheapest option they can find. Same old song with this lot in charge, No ambition, No idea. We will do well to still be in the championship after next season.

For those two we have to look at who agreed to the contracts, whoever agreed to sign Robson-Kanu in the first place needs seriously looking at and then giving a new deal is a crime in itself. With Brunt it was in his contract that once he played a cedrtain amount of games it triggered another year, I do wonder how close or far away he was when Moore left as he wasn't in the team as much until Shan came in but I would have expected him to be given another year anyhow but I would have hoped for lower wages and as a bit part player.

I fully expect Gayle to move on a permanent deal this Summer to possibly one of the newly promoted sides or maybe one of the lower Prem sides or failing that back on loan to a side who have just gone down with Fulham the most likely.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: skyclad99 on May 20, 2019, 03:31:25 PM
We all know  what will happen. Rondon will come back to haunt us at the wolves. Gayle will go on scoring goals who ever he goes to and we have a certain Kanu. What a  joke. How is he still on the retain list along with Brunt. They should both be out of the club without a second thought. When you look at the squad, How many would you really want to keep, Not many. I think we have got to accept we are going nowhere, Look how long selecting a manager is taking and then it will be the cheapest option they can find. Same old song with this lot in charge, No ambition, No idea. We will do well to still be in the championship after next season.


Rondon will be retired before we play the Wolves again........ :(
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on May 20, 2019, 03:34:38 PM
For those two we have to look at who agreed to the contracts, whoever agreed to sign Robson-Kanu in the first place needs seriously looking at and then giving a new deal is a crime in itself. With Brunt it was in his contract that once he played a cedrtain amount of games it triggered another year, I do wonder how close or far away he was when Moore left as he wasn't in the team as much until Shan came in but I would have expected him to be given another year anyhow but I would have hoped for lower wages and as a bit part player.

I fully expect Gayle to move on a permanent deal this Summer to possibly one of the newly promoted sides or maybe one of the lower Prem sides or failing that back on loan to a side who have just gone down with Fulham the most likely.

He is not a premier striker , if he was Newcastle would play him.  The second option is more likely.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 20, 2019, 03:38:35 PM
He is not a premier striker , if he was Newcastle would play him.  The second option is more likely.

So if he's not a Premier League striker why would so many have been happy to sign him if we had gone up?

He would score goals for any side that creates chances no matter what division.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: skyclad99 on May 20, 2019, 03:51:47 PM
So if he's not a Premier League striker why would so many have been happy to sign him if we had gone up?

He would score goals for any side that creates chances no matter what division.

Probably the only thing against him is his size, but the lad is lethal and I cannot for the life of me work out why some think that he is not a Premiership striker.

He is better than Rodriguez [in my opinion] but it is a given that he is a PL striker apparently.........
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on May 20, 2019, 03:58:48 PM
So if he's not a Premier League striker why would so many have been happy to sign him if we had gone up?

He would score goals for any side that creates chances no matter what division.

So why is he playing in the championship ??   If he could have gone to a premier league side instead of us he definitely would have.  I think you will find that not many premier league sides will come in for him. In fact probably only the promoted sides. 

There is a massive gap between scoring regular in the championship and doing the same in the premier. He probably wouldn't have achieved what rondon did this year if he had stayed at Newcastle.

Benitz is a good knowledgeable manager and if he thought he could score regular he would have kept him at Newcastle.

He did a good job for us but now its time to move on.  He wasn't even the best striker in the championship !!!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 04:01:21 PM
So Rodriguez is not a premier ship player either
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on May 20, 2019, 04:04:33 PM
If they are both premier league strikers, then name me premier league teams that they would get into ??
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: NJS on May 20, 2019, 04:17:11 PM
"He [Gayle] would score goals for any side that creates chances no matter what division."

There's the rub.  If we budget to fund him and surround him with mediocre players, he won't get many chances.  Every striker needs support.  Rondon didn't have it season before last with us and scored 7 in the EFL, this season with better players around him he got 11 in the EPL
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lewisant on May 20, 2019, 04:29:39 PM
55k a week is 1.2 million a year ish. Getting 16.5 from Rondon, that's 15.3 left. However, if they're looking to build a younger team, with nobody on far higher wages than the others then it seems fair.

I also don't know if FFP comes in to play here.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 20, 2019, 04:32:32 PM
So why is he playing in the championship ??   If he could have gone to a premier league side instead of us he definitely would have.  I think you will find that not many premier league sides will come in for him. In fact probably only the promoted sides. 

There is a massive gap between scoring regular in the championship and doing the same in the premier. He probably wouldn't have achieved what rondon did this year if he had stayed at Newcastle.

Benitz is a good knowledgeable manager and if he thought he could score regular he would have kept him at Newcastle.

He did a good job for us but now its time to move on.  He wasn't even the best striker in the championship !!!

Why is he playing in the Championship ? no idea but no he would not have done what Rondon has this season as they are 2 totally different players and if we were going up this season he wouldn't get the chances he did last season so wouldn't score as many goals either and then he would get written off just like Rondon has done here.

Its okay saying Benitez is a knowledgable manager which he is, he also knows that at a club like Newcastle staying up is a great achievement and so a Rondon type is more favourable than Gayle due to the style they will have to play to stay up.

Looking at some of the supposed Premier quality strikers some clubs have signed then Gayle is certainly no worse and would have done just as good a job as those. I have no problem with us not signing him due to his wages pure and simple.

The stupid thing is it will be lower Prem sides who are more likely to sign him but they are the sides that do not create chances, a side that does create chances would fit Gayle perfectly but those sides would never take a chance on him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 20, 2019, 04:35:19 PM
55k a week is 1.2 million a year ish. Getting 16.5 from Rondon, that's 15.3 left. However, if they're looking to build a younger team, with nobody on far higher wages than the others then it seems fair.

I also don't know if FFP comes in to play here.

We cannot commit to £55k a week especially on at least a 3 year deal in this division, we need to lower the wage bill. You say £15.3m remaining but fail to include signing on fees, fees to agents etc etc, plenty of hidden costs and we always put the whole of the contract to one side to cover the costs (or used to) so £55k  a week on 3 year deal sees £3.6m put to one side for wages alone plus the hidden extras so that £15.3m is vastly reduced.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Mister AT on May 20, 2019, 04:36:29 PM
On the basis of not paying the premier league wages, I’m guessing Gibbs, Phillips, Brunt, Livermore and Rodriguez are all still on relatively high wages, do expect to see these moves on.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Blowee on May 20, 2019, 04:42:15 PM
On the basis of not paying the premier league wages, I’m guessing Gibbs, Phillips, Brunt, Livermore and Rodriguez are all still on relatively high wages, do expect to see these moves on.
I'm guessing the answer to that in an ideal world is yes BUT they can only be moved on if they wish to leave and someone is prepared to take them.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: paulosull on May 20, 2019, 04:52:38 PM
On the basis of not paying the premier league wages, I’m guessing Gibbs, Phillips, Brunt, Livermore and Rodriguez are all still on relatively high wages, do expect to see these moves on.
think HRK is on 28 thousand a week in chump and over 50,000.00  :o when we were in prem. Burke is still on 30,000.00 a week I believe I read some where, majority of players who are still with us from prem are still on good wages and will be difficult to move on.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiejohn on May 20, 2019, 05:16:14 PM
We cannot commit to £55k a week especially on at least a 3 year deal in this division, we need to lower the wage bill. You say £15.3m remaining but fail to include signing on fees, fees to agents etc etc, plenty of hidden costs and we always put the whole of the contract to one side to cover the costs (or used to) so £55k  a week on 3 year deal sees £3.6m put to one side for wages alone plus the hidden extras so that £15.3m is vastly reduced.

Think you'll find £55k per week is equal to nearly £3 million a year.
£20k per week = £1 million per year, so it's £8.3 million out of Rondon's fee & that's assuming we get £16.5 million.

I wonder if we carried the £7.5 million loss through to next season. We can't carry it through to the following season, that would wipe out the remaining parachute payments.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 20, 2019, 05:18:52 PM
Think you'll find £55k per week is equal to nearly £3 million a year.
£20k per week = £1 million per year, so it's £8.3 million out of Rondon's fee & that's assuming we get £16.5 million.

I wonder if we carried the £7.5 million loss through to next season. We can't carry it through to the following season, that would wipe out the remaining parachute payments.

I didn't even work it out, I just used the figures provided in the message I quoted.   :D
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: elkiellis on May 20, 2019, 06:13:59 PM
So Gayle goes back to Newcastle and we wont pay his wages even if Newcastle pay us £16.5 Million for Rondon,surely we could loan him one more season if Newcastle pay us for Rondom its worth the chance
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 20, 2019, 06:19:11 PM
On the basis of not paying the premier league wages, I’m guessing Gibbs, Phillips, Brunt, Livermore and Rodriguez are all still on relatively high wages, do expect to see these moves on.

Hopefully.

I doubt many premier league clubs would touch any of them with a barge pole maybe Burnley at a push.

I think we will struggle to offload them.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 20, 2019, 06:41:58 PM
This thread is quite funny

Why would we sign Gayle at 55k a week before a manager is appointed?
Who honestly thinks he would come to us over Fulham ?
Who honestly thinks we can match wages of Fulham if he did want too?
Comments about JRod and HRK being moved on to cover it , well we are already short on strikers , that would be 2 less options and no one is going to be in a rush to buy them

Course the club would welcome 55k a week sponsorship from any of you...
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: hardtobeat on May 20, 2019, 06:51:22 PM
Not quite right though is it. If not Gayle we are going to need somebody from some where who is probably going to expect in the region of 20/30K per week so you aren't going to move many of the current lot on to cover that
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on May 20, 2019, 07:17:19 PM
this news worries me Gayle is a 20 goal + striker at this level. It shows of a lack of ambition of a board. Who were quick enough to deadline the season tickets a month earlier than every before. We are Lai and jenkins's broken toy  >:(
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: GREGMT on May 20, 2019, 07:34:43 PM
If WBA are worried about the outlay of £50,000 per week the why aren’t we offering another seasons loan?  That is £2.5M for the season for a proven goal scorer in that league?

Furthermore, if Newcastle are balking at paying £16m for Rondon then why don’t we lower it to £12m on the proviso Gayle is loaned back for another season.

Im yet to hear anyone say they’re happy with Rod, Brunt, Rod etc staying on £30,000 per week.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 20, 2019, 08:07:14 PM
This thread is quite funny

Why would we sign Gayle at 55k a week before a manager is appointed?
Who honestly thinks he would come to us over Fulham ?
Who honestly thinks we can match wages of Fulham if he did want too?
Comments about JRod and HRK being moved on to cover it , well we are already short on strikers , that would be 2 less options and no one is going to be in a rush to buy them

Course the club would welcome 55k a week sponsorship from any of you...

I agree with your first point, the board won't be making any transfer decisions before the new manager has had his say. As to your second point, I think the question should be who honestly thinks he would go to Fulham over us? Not me, I struggle to think of 1 reason why he would.

I think we could receive offers for JROD, whether they would be near enough our value of him is something else. I think we should keep hold of him anyway.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 20, 2019, 08:07:46 PM
If WBA are worried about the outlay of £50,000 per week the why aren’t we offering another seasons loan?  That is £2.5M for the season for a proven goal scorer in that league?

Furthermore, if Newcastle are balking at paying £16m for Rondon then why don’t we lower it to £12m on the proviso Gayle is loaned back for another season.

Im yet to hear anyone say they’re happy with Rod, Brunt, Rod etc staying on £30,000 per week.
Because
50k a week is 50k a week , loan or permanent
Because 16m is the price to trigger a transfer and other clubs including wolves appear to be happy to pay it
Because we would be made to be in our position and write off 4m
No one needs to say any5hing, they are contracted  and so entitled to draw there earnings
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: GREGMT on May 21, 2019, 08:34:21 AM
Because
50k a week is 50k a week , loan or permanent
Because 16m is the price to trigger a transfer and other clubs including wolves appear to be happy to pay it
Because we would be made to be in our position and write off 4m
No one needs to say any5hing, they are contracted  and so entitled to draw there earnings

Rondon has probably 1 good season left in the Premier League.  He doesnt have pace, no skill to beat players.  He is a good target man, good in the air but his ability will diminish as he gets older just like Ricky Lambert.

It's incredible that people think another Gayle loan at 50k per week or 2.5m per season is not worth it when we have HRK getting over 1m in wages per season. 

As I see it there is a shortfall of only about 10m in payments then there is a steep drop in Summer 2020.  We have 1 more season to show some ambition.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on May 21, 2019, 12:04:38 PM
Toon asking £15m according to this

http://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2019/05/21/nufc-set-dwight-gayle-asking-price-after-leeds-interest-west-brom-snub-report/
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on May 21, 2019, 12:05:59 PM
The Toon has just slapped a £15 million price on his head,who in championship can afford that!
Its too obvious for a Rondon  swap isn't it perhaps that's why they've put that much on his head so it won't cost them any money.
Plus how much would his wages be on a 3 year contract? £7-9 mill?
Would he be worth that to us? All it would cost us is say 3 mill per year         
I say if we can afford it yes but lots of offs eh?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 21, 2019, 12:06:27 PM
Toon asking £15m according to this

http://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2019/05/21/nufc-set-dwight-gayle-asking-price-after-leeds-interest-west-brom-snub-report/


There you go. Do people still think we should sign him? £15 million plus £3 million per year in wages.

It'd be insane.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: divinewind on May 21, 2019, 12:06:47 PM
Keep acting like a small time club desperate for cash and clubs will offer insulting prices.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 21, 2019, 12:21:50 PM
Thing is if we did splash out and bring Gayle in it does create problems, on the one hand you are getting players to sign deals that if we go down they have to take a 50% pay cut and then disregarding that to sign a player on more than most of them will have been on in the Premier League, he also will want a pay rise to sign so the rumoured £55k is a starting point so will either rise upon signing or during the length of the contract.

Then there is the problem of if we do splash out and sign what happens if we fail to go up, we are left with a player on massive wages and a dwindling income, the prospect of signing Gayle makes no sense at all. We cannot do it, best we can hope for is another loan as part of a Rondon deal.

I slag the club off at times more than anyone but on this not sure how they can be criticised.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 21, 2019, 12:31:09 PM
Thing is if we did splash out and bring Gayle in it does create problems, on the one hand you are getting players to sign deals that if we go down they have to take a 50% pay cut and then disregarding that to sign a player on more than most of them will have been on in the Premier League, he also will want a pay rise to sign so the rumoured £55k is a starting point so will either rise upon signing or during the length of the contract.

Then there is the problem of if we do splash out and sign what happens if we fail to go up, we are left with a player on massive wages and a dwindling income, the prospect of signing Gayle makes no sense at all. We cannot do it, best we can hope for is another loan as part of a Rondon deal.

I slag the club off at times more than anyone but on this not sure how they can be criticised.


Same here.

If the club DID sign Gayle I'd be going crazy about their ineptitude.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on May 21, 2019, 12:37:14 PM
I'm guessing the answer to that in an ideal world is yes BUT they can only be moved on if they wish to leave and someone is prepared to take them.

A great example of this is Jack Rodwell @ Sunderland
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on May 21, 2019, 03:15:38 PM
You'd hope we've asked Newcastle to share his wages. You do hear of loan players where the clubs share the wage bill.  And in this case we have Rondon on our books which is still a significant bargaining chip.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 21, 2019, 03:51:59 PM

Same here.

If the club DID sign Gayle I'd be going crazy about their ineptitude.

Yeah, crazy to sign a player worth 20+ goals a season.  Madness!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gerry m on May 21, 2019, 04:15:34 PM
Thing is if we did splash out and bring Gayle in it does create problems, on the one hand you are getting players to sign deals that if we go down they have to take a 50% pay cut and then disregarding that to sign a player on more than most of them will have been on in the Premier League, he also will want a pay rise to sign so the rumoured £55k is a starting point so will either rise upon signing or during the length of the contract.

Then there is the problem of if we do splash out and sign what happens if we fail to go up, we are left with a player on massive wages and a dwindling income, the prospect of signing Gayle makes no sense at all. We cannot do it, best we can hope for is another loan as part of a Rondon deal.

I slag the club off at times more than anyone but on this not sure how they can be criticised.

Oldbury we will not go up if we don't sign him. 20+ goals last season we failed to go up as we did not have an experienced coach in my opinion.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 21, 2019, 04:18:42 PM
Oldbury we will not go up if we don't sign him. 20+ goals last season we failed to go up as we did not have an experienced coach in my opinion.

But we can't risk the finances involved on a permanent deal, what happens if we sign him and don't go up? we're left with a player on massive wages and lower income. If he 100% guaranteed promotion then great but there is no guarantee.

Best we can hope for is another loan deal.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on May 21, 2019, 05:45:26 PM
But we can't risk the finances involved on a permanent deal, what happens if we sign him and don't go up? we're left with a player on massive wages and lower income.

Sell Livermore and Rondon. That's at least £20m. That would fund a £10m transfer fee and 3/4 year deal in itself. Or Newcastle give us Gayle and £3.5m in return for Rondon, so we get his wages funded for the first year and use sale or Livermore or similar to cover the rest of his contract. Given that Rondon is off for £16.5m we can afford Gayle, the board just don't want to push the boat out, rather keep the money in-house and behave small time. Statement of their lack of intent.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 21, 2019, 06:13:20 PM
Yeah, crazy to sign a player worth 20+ goals a season.  Madness!

It's not the player that is the issue, it's the fee. We hold the cards with Rondon. If his release clause isn't met he will be playing up front for us next season, alongside Rodriguez who I think will still be with us by then.

Any transfer funds needs to be spent in midfielders who can also provide goals which will make us a more balanced attacking side.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on May 21, 2019, 06:19:10 PM
It's not the player that is the issue, it's the fee. We hold the cards with Rondon. If his release clause isn't met he will be playing up front for us next season, alongside Rodriguez who I think will still be with us by then.

Any transfer funds needs to be spent in midfielders who can also provide goals which will make us a more balanced attacking side.

Rondon's clause has already been meet by wolves, you know them lot with owners who actually have wealth and ambition.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 21, 2019, 06:57:40 PM
Sell Livermore and Rondon. That's at least £20m. That would fund a £10m transfer fee and 3/4 year deal in itself. Or Newcastle give us Gayle and £3.5m in return for Rondon, so we get his wages funded for the first year and use sale or Livermore or similar to cover the rest of his contract. Given that Rondon is off for £16.5m we can afford Gayle, the board just don't want to push the boat out, rather keep the money in-house and behave small time. Statement of their lack of intent.

And what happens next Summer if we don't go up? where do we find the shortfall? then when the other players want wages to match where do we find them? what about the signing on fees? the hidden agent costs etc etc?

Sounds so simple doesn't it?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on May 21, 2019, 07:13:06 PM
And what happens next Summer if we don't go up? where do we find the shortfall? then when the other players want wages to match where do we find them? what about the signing on fees? the hidden agent costs etc etc?

Sounds so simple doesn't it?
It’s as simple or complex as basic mathematics. There isn’t a shortfall. Rondon and plus another out say Livermore is about £22m, enough to fund Gayle including his wages. No idea why your suggesting the club would have to pay other players salaries to match Gayle...this isn’t the USSR.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 21, 2019, 07:26:45 PM
It’s as simple or complex as basic mathematics. There isn’t a shortfall. Rondon and plus another out say Livermore is about £22m, enough to fund Gayle including his wages. No idea why your suggesting the club would have to pay other players salaries to match Gayle...this isn’t the USSR.
Assuming he would sign for us
Assuming he doesn’t want to know who the manager is
Assuming that there are no other clubs interested

Why would he sign for us now rather than wait and see his options?
Fulham are interested , Norwich/Sheffield Utd will have him under consideration , villa will also be looking for reinforcements if they go up
We would be below all of these and each of them can offer more

Even then assuming we did sign him, what’s left in the pot for the other striker and the midfielders we need ?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 21, 2019, 07:41:47 PM
Rondon's clause has already been meet by wolves, you know them lot with owners who actually have wealth and ambition.

Rondon's transfer is still up in the air. If he is sold then the club will have money to spend on new transfers. We'll benefit either way.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on May 21, 2019, 08:49:41 PM
Assuming he would sign for us
Assuming he doesn’t want to know who the manager is
Assuming that there are no other clubs interested

Why would he sign for us now rather than wait and see his options?
Fulham are interested , Norwich/Sheffield Utd will have him under consideration , villa will also be looking for reinforcements if they go up
We would be below all of these and each of them can offer more

Even then assuming we did sign him, what’s left in the pot for the other striker and the midfielders we need ?

spot on, there are 3 parties in a transfer deal, a lot on here seem to think its 2
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionBest on May 21, 2019, 08:56:11 PM
Assuming he would sign for us
Assuming he doesn’t want to know who the manager is
Assuming that there are no other clubs interested

Why would he sign for us now rather than wait and see his options?
Fulham are interested , Norwich/Sheffield Utd will have him under consideration , villa will also be looking for reinforcements if they go up
We would be below all of these and each of them can offer more

Even then assuming we did sign him, what’s left in the pot for the other striker and the midfielders we need ?

Why would we be below relegated 'one season Prem' Fulham ?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on May 21, 2019, 08:57:02 PM
Why would we be below relegated 'one season Prem' Fulham ?

London
Wages
Ambition .......
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 21, 2019, 11:44:46 PM
London
Wages
Ambition .......

Fulham are cutting their cloth following relegation and they will be bringing a lot of their youth players into their squad next season apparently. I'd be surprised to see them offer 55k a week to bring Gayle in. As to the pull of London, Gayle obviously likes it here and with the right manager we'll have a better chance of promotion next season too......
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on May 22, 2019, 12:06:49 AM
Windmill, my complaint isn't that Gayle that may sign for someone else, it's that the club have decided not to try to sign him. If they tried to put together a deal and the player choose elsewhere I could live with that.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 22, 2019, 10:29:50 AM

There you go. Do people still think we should sign him? £15 million plus £3 million per year in wages.

It'd be insane.

Yeah, we offer Rondon so we would actually get £1m or two, Rondon's wages off the books, and then Gayles on.  And we would also get 20+ goals a season.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 22, 2019, 10:31:00 AM
Windmill, my complaint isn't that Gayle that may sign for someone else, it's that the club have decided not to try to sign him. If they tried to put together a deal and the player choose elsewhere I could live with that.

And this.  The club has just said "naah, not doing it".  What if the new manager comes in and decides his absolute 100% priority is a striker that will score goals?  What if J-Rod decides he wants to leave? What if we get silly money for Dawson? 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 22, 2019, 10:33:05 AM
Yeah, we offer Rondon so we would actually get £1m or two, Rondon's wages off the books, and then Gayles on.  And we would also get 20+ goals a season.


Rondon's wages will go towards the wages of the other six, seven, eight nine players we will bring in. Rondon's wages (together with all the others at the time) would've been guaranteed by Premier League money which we don't have with parachute payments decreasing by the year.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 22, 2019, 10:37:15 AM

Rondon's wages will go towards the wages of the other six, seven, eight nine players we will bring in. Rondon's wages (together with all the others at the time) would've been guaranteed by Premier League money which we don't have with parachute payments decreasing by the year.


You do not know who we are going to buy or how much their wages will cost or who we will sell\release and what their wage savings will be.

How can you say we can't do it without knowing all that information?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 22, 2019, 11:08:36 AM
You do not know who we are going to buy or how much their wages will cost or who we will sell\release and what their wage savings will be.

How can you say we can't do it without knowing all that information?


Because for a start we have no recognised right back. Nyom wants out so he'll be gone. That's two we need to bring in. IF we play three at the back (we may, we may not) we will need centre halves, we only have three. We have two strikers Robson-Kanu and Rodriguez, the latter may go so we need at least two strikers possibly three.

We had six loanees last season so unless we replace them with more loans (one or two perhaps) we need to replace them because the squad is threadbare thin.

Myhill has left, that's another goalkeeper we will most probably bring in.

This is not including academy kids admittedly but it's not including players that leave either.

It's going to be a big re-build and we have to do that spending less money on wages than we have previously because we lose (potentially, depending on how long we are out of the Premier League) hundreds of millions of pounds of Premier League income.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 22, 2019, 11:33:38 AM
I'm not saying we don't need any players, we clearly do.

I'm saying without knowing who is going, who is coming in (including manager), what wages will be released, etc, without knowing all that, then I think the club is wrong to immediately rule out signing a player. 

Look, as an example, if we lose Rondon, Nyom, J-Rod, Gibbs, Dawson, Hegazi, Livermore, Barry, etc, that frees up a lot of wages right?  It would also bring transfer fees into the club.  Without knowing who we replace those players with and how much they cost then how do we know we can't afford Gayle?  I'm not saying we replace all of those players with players on Gayle's wages but I'm pretty sure we could sign a young, pacey forward to complement Gayle and afford both if we have Rondon and J-Rod off the books.  The alternative is losing Rondon and J-Rod and replacing them with two cheap strikers in the hope that one of them will score the goals we will need for promotion.  Risky is it not? 

Now what happens if we don't lose any of those players?  Then spare wages and transfer fees are going to be much thinner on the ground and affording Gayle would be more difficult.  And that's fair enough.

So without knowing all of that how can we be 100% sure we can't afford Gayle.  How can we be sure we will get a decent replacement for a fraction of the price?  Quite simply, we can't.

In my opinion, the club has set out it's stall to get fans used to small minded thinking.  "Oh, we've got HRK as our main striker because we can't afford wages for anyone better".  We will lose players this summer and the money will not be reinvested back into the squad in a serious way, let alone extra investment.   

If there's one position on the pitch that you shouldn't try and cut corners on it is the striker.  If you want promotion you need to score goals and win games.  20+ goals a season strikers are not easy to find, and they are not easy to find on the cheap.

I have ambition for Albion in that we are not a mid-table Championship side.  I think we are better than that. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 22, 2019, 11:36:42 AM
And that's all ignoring the statement we make to the current team, the opposition and players we might sign by bringing in Gayle.  It would mark us out as serious promotion contenders, it might be easier to persuade our decent players to stay or better quality players to come to us.

As it stands we are saying "we can't afford to compete, we're doing things on the cheap", what kind of message is that to send?

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 22, 2019, 11:38:25 AM
And that's all ignoring the statement we make to the current team, the opposition and players we might sign by bringing in Gayle.  It would mark us out as serious promotion contenders, it might be easier to persuade our decent players to stay or better quality players to come to us.

As it stands we are saying "we can't afford to compete, we're doing things on the cheap", what kind of message is that to send?


You're in denial my friend. Not much point keep harping on about it really. Gayle is not coming simple as that.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 22, 2019, 11:44:09 AM

You're in denial my friend. Not much point keep harping on about it really. Gayle is not coming simple as that.

I know he isn't coming, what makes you think I expect different?  I just disagree with the club's stance.  We're in the Gayle thread and discussing Gayle.

I'm saying it's a folly to rule out signing him at this stage because we don't know the future.  You're saying the club are correct because you have imagined the future.

I think the club coming out with those statements and the one regarding having to get rid of "normal" staff is the club getting it into the fans heads that whatever happens it's because of finances and the need to do everything on the cheap.  It's working because you've swallowed the club line totally.  To the point where you're even quoting lost future revenue as a reason to do things cheaply now. 

And before you start, I'm not saying we should splurge on players left, right and center, I'm saying that the club is in a huge state of flux at the moment and the statements coming from the club are one's you'd expect from a club cutting their cloth for a long stay in the championship, at best.

I'm sorry if my hopes for Albion are higher than yours.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gerry m on May 22, 2019, 05:32:37 PM
But we can't risk the finances involved on a permanent deal, what happens if we sign him and don't go up? we're left with a player on massive wages and lower income. If he 100% guaranteed promotion then great but there is no guarantee.

Best we can hope for is another loan deal.

I really hope that happens!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on May 22, 2019, 06:56:01 PM
Boning along, agree with you 100%. Shame too many of our fans have such low expectations. Not trying to sign Gayle is an idiotic move but the club is busy making idiotic moves left, right and centre so I can't pretend to be shocked. As these stand we are more likely to be in the bottom half of the table next season than the top six.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Dan87uk on May 22, 2019, 07:53:08 PM
His wages are too high, we cannot afford them, we are no longer getting mega millions from the Prem and if we are reckless on our wage structure we'll end up like Bolton, Sunderland, Portsmouth etc etc.

Yes it's painful, but it's the right decision. You could argue "well what if it's only a one off for Gayle" but that causes problems in of itself, he'd be the only high earner which would annoy the rest of the team and it would also hamstring us on wages for other positions, several of which will also need some savvy investment btw depending on who stays and goes.

He's not coming back and much like with Barnes in January, we need to move on.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: ronnie_allen on May 23, 2019, 03:38:50 PM
Boning along, agree with you 100%. Shame too many of our fans have such low expectations. Not trying to sign Gayle is an idiotic move but the club is busy making idiotic moves left, right and centre so I can't pretend to be shocked. As these stand we are more likely to be in the bottom half of the table next season than the top six.

It is a very expensive decision and we didn't get promotion with Gayle in the squad this season; with potentially a more experienced and supposedly higher calibre of player supporting him. Sheffield United and Norwich both achieved promotion through having a series of players on much lower wages than what Gayle is seeking, although for us to replicate that will probably give a year or two of development.

Wouldn't disagree that some decisions have been stupid. Future-planning doesn't seem to be great and can see us as likely to be bottom half as top six at this current juncture.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 23, 2019, 04:06:07 PM
A £20m price tag on Gayle apparently and fans criticise club for not trying to  sign him? 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on May 23, 2019, 04:08:45 PM
A £20m price tag on Gayle apparently and fans criticise club for not trying to  sign him?

If geordies think gayle is £20m, what do THEY value Rondon at ?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on May 23, 2019, 04:12:17 PM
If geordies think gayle is £20m, what do THEY value Rondon at ?

£16.5m, I guess
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on May 23, 2019, 04:16:35 PM
£16.5m, I guess

Touche   !!!!    LOL !
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 23, 2019, 04:36:51 PM
A £20m price tag on Gayle apparently and fans criticise club for not trying to  sign him?

£15m I heard but let's not forget they would want to sign Rondon.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on May 23, 2019, 05:04:11 PM
£16.5m, I guess
But are we forced to accept £16.5m for Rondon?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Dan87uk on May 23, 2019, 05:31:28 PM
But are we forced to accept £16.5m for Rondon?

We could accept less than that if we wanted to just offload, but would not be able to charge more than that amount as that is the contracted release price.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on May 23, 2019, 05:35:00 PM
But are we forced to accept £16.5m for Rondon?

There is a buyout clause in his contract, £16.5m if we are in the Championship and £20m if we had made it to the Prem. So, yes we have to sell at the £16.5m price.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on May 24, 2019, 02:30:24 AM
This is madness.

 Newcastle still seem reluctant to pay £16.5m for Rondon on the not entirely unreasonable grounds that the player is 29 and as such the fee is pretty much a write off. Their strategy is to buy players with potential whose value may increase over the length of their contract. Fine entirely sensible possibly a little limiting but logical and one which looking at our squad we might have benefited from we had adopted it a few years ago.

However on the other hand we have Dwight Gayle aged 28 (29 latter this year) who they want to sell for £20m. The fee is like Rondon's probably a write off. To be honest any club interested in Gayle might do as well to activate Rondon's release clause. Rondon unlike Gayle does have a decent scoring record in the Premier League. Whereas Gayle is a monster in the Championship but to date hasn't torn up the Premier League.

Only the club apparently interested in Gayle, Fulham can't attract Rondon because they have just been relegated to the Championship and are looking for a quick fix to secure their return. Apparently not put off by the asking price nor Gayle's £55k a week wages (which must have been agreed when Newcastle were in the Championship!!) in part because they beleive they can sell their star striker Mitrovic for £30m.

The irony of course is Mitrovic was bought by Newcastle as a raw 21 year old from Anderlect for the a substantial fee of £16.5m. He bombed at Newcastle and were it not for a loan spell at Fulham where he revived his career to the point where Newcastle could off load him for a small profit of £18.5m. Although Mitrovic is 5 years younger last season he had a similar scoring record to Rondon.

Everyone might be better off here if Benetiz could have got a tune out of Mitrovic.

Coming back to Albion sorry but we shouldn't even contemplate getting involved in this. We will get £16.5m for Rondon more likely from Wolves or West Ham. He is by far our most saleable assest and we need to leaverage the maximum improvement to the squad with that money. Maybe having a look at the next Mitrovic who Anderlect bought for £4.5m as a teenager might be the way to go.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: skyclad99 on May 24, 2019, 07:03:05 AM
This is madness.

 Newcastle still seem reluctant to pay £16.5m for Rondon on the not entirely unreasonable grounds that the player is 29 and as such the fee is pretty much a write off. Their strategy is to buy players with potential whose value may increase over the length of their contract. Fine entirely sensible possibly a little limiting but logical and one which looking at our squad we might have benefited from we had adopted it a few years ago.

However on the other hand we have Dwight Gayle aged 28 (29 latter this year) who they want to sell for £20m. The fee is like Rondon's probably a write off. To be honest any club interested in Gayle might do as well to activate Rondon's release clause. Rondon unlike Gayle does have a decent scoring record in the Premier League. Whereas Gayle is a monster in the Championship but to date hasn't torn up the Premier League.

Only the club apparently interested in Gayle, Fulham can't attract Rondon because they have just been relegated to the Championship and are looking for a quick fix to secure their return. Apparently not put off by the asking price nor Gayle's £55k a week wages (which must have been agreed when Newcastle were in the Championship!!) in part because they beleive they can sell their star striker Mitrovic for £30m.

The irony of course is Mitrovic was bought by Newcastle as a raw 21 year old from Anderlect for the a substantial fee of £16.5m. He bombed at Newcastle and were it not for a loan spell at Fulham where he revived his career to the point where Newcastle could off load him for a small profit of £18.5m. Although Mitrovic is 5 years younger last season he had a similar scoring record to Rondon.

Everyone might be better off here if Benetiz could have got a tune out of Mitrovic.

Coming back to Albion sorry but we shouldn't even contemplate getting involved in this. We will get £16.5m for Rondon more likely from Wolves or West Ham. He is by far our most saleable assest and we need to leaverage the maximum improvement to the squad with that money. Maybe having a look at the next Mitrovic who Anderlect bought for £4.5m as a teenager might be the way to go.

Cannot help but think that this is more Mike Ashley. Probably thinks that 'little ole Albion' will stump up because we are desperate.

There's only one greedy barsteward…….
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Mister AT on May 30, 2019, 11:39:48 AM
There is a 'in the know' on the Oatcake who has said Stoke are in for Gayle, early but promising.

I'll be gutted if Gayle is at the Hawthorns next year in another teams colours.

I get the whole it's not an affordable deal etc etc, but it will be a bit of a kick in the teeth to see another championship team have him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wbarenno on May 30, 2019, 11:54:36 AM
Local  press linking the villa with Gayle
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 30, 2019, 12:37:22 PM
Local  press linking the villa with Gayle
I rarely get foaming at the mouth about online stuff but if this ever came to pass some one will need to pass me my medication tout sweet
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 30, 2019, 12:47:38 PM
I don't care where Gayle goes. He's not coming to us and that's it he's free to go wherever he sees fit.

I'm interested in what happens to West Bromwich Albion. I support them, they are in my blood, Dwight Gayle isn't. Good luck to him but life moves on.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 30, 2019, 12:51:58 PM
I rarely get foaming at the mouth about online stuff but if this ever came to pass some one will need to pass me my medication tout sweet


I'd be delighted if Villa payed circa £20 million for a 29 year old striker who's main threat is pace and has never regularly held down a first 11 place in a PL team, never mind scored more than 5 or 6 in a season.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BalisPen on May 30, 2019, 12:55:04 PM

I'd be delighted if Villa payed circa £20 million for a 29 year old striker who's main threat is pace and has never regularly held down a first 11 place in a PL team, never mind scored more than 5 or 6 in a season.

Hope he will be Darren bent 2 for them.

But, I really hope they waste millions on abraham,  as the play offs showed when people decide to defend properly he is the non entity we saw at Swansea.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 30, 2019, 12:55:25 PM

I'd be delighted if Villa payed circa £20 million for a 29 year old striker who's main threat is pace and has never regularly held down a first 11 place in a PL team, never mind scored more than 5 or 6 in a season.


Agreed. It'd be awful business on Villa's part.

I hope they go ahead and do the deal.  8)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on May 30, 2019, 01:55:33 PM

I'd be delighted if Villa payed circa £20 million for a 29 year old striker who's main threat is pace and has never regularly held down a first 11 place in a PL team, never mind scored more than 5 or 6 in a season.
Who's main threat is pace and the ability to anticipate goal scoring chances and to stay  calm and clincical whilst converting most of them. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: NathWBA on May 30, 2019, 02:04:10 PM
I have to agree with jack o, Gayles premier league record is poor and is worth nowhere near 20mil, especially at 29, I’d love him back here but this is his level.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 30, 2019, 02:12:23 PM
Gayle, much like Abraham, is not someone you would fork out for in the Premier League. It is why I had laugh at people suggesting that we swap Gayle for Rondon if we were promoted, it would have been awful business, one is a proven international, Premier League striker, the other has been sold/loaned out every time a club has been promoted.

Would love him here next season though  ;D
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 30, 2019, 07:40:12 PM
100% with Jacko
Hope ey waste 40m on twammy and Dwight add that to the McCormack increase and the learner payout and suddenly they ain't got much left .FFP.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiejohn on May 31, 2019, 10:57:18 AM
Just read this article from the Daily Star about Newcastle trying to get a deal with us for Rondon.

I wonder now, if the Gayle statement was made to take him out of the equation for the Rondon deal, perhaps we shouldn't write Gayle off just yet!

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/782340/Newcastle-West-Brom-Salomon-Rondon-transfer-news-gossip-deal-latest (https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/782340/Newcastle-West-Brom-Salomon-Rondon-transfer-news-gossip-deal-latest)

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: smethwickw on May 31, 2019, 01:29:23 PM
I thought I'd look up some PL stats in the Rondon v Gayle debate.

Rondon

10845 mins - 35 goals
309 mins / goal

Gayle

4704 mins - 21 goals
224 mins / goal

Gayle has only started 50 PL games whereas Rondon has started 124.

I've never rated Rondon and would still take Gayle ahead of him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: NathWBA on May 31, 2019, 01:37:19 PM
I thought I'd look up some PL stats in the Rondon v Gayle debate.

Rondon

10845 mins - 35 goals
309 mins / goal

Gayle

4704 mins - 21 goals
224 mins / goal

Gayle has only started 50 PL games whereas Rondon has started 124.

I've never rated Rondon and would still take Gayle ahead of him.
they are non comparable as players, they offer completely different threats, I would say the work rondon does for a team is worth more than goals individual goals, rondon may not score them himself but his work will have contributed to them. There’s a reason managers and players rate him so highly.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on May 31, 2019, 01:40:41 PM
I thought I'd look up some PL stats in the Rondon v Gayle debate.

Rondon

10845 mins - 35 goals
309 mins / goal

Gayle

4704 mins - 21 goals
224 mins / goal

Gayle has only started 50 PL games whereas Rondon has started 124.

I've never rated Rondon and would still take Gayle ahead of him.


I'd be very cautious about using stats as any sort of barometer. Rondon, for example, spent a number of those games playing for us isolated and having the ball banged at him from sixty yards.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on May 31, 2019, 02:29:33 PM
A striker who can anticipate and convert goal chances is worth vastly more than a target man, however hard he might work his socks off. Instinctive goalscorers are like gold dust, physical target men are ten a pennny. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on May 31, 2019, 02:43:13 PM
I'd have more sympathy with the view if Rondon had comprehensively outscored his season in the Prem when we were relegated this year, but he got, what, two goals more?  Despite playing consistantly, in a team that is way more attack minded than the one under Pulis.  Rondon is guilty of missing absolute gilt edged chances and that's not what you need in a striker. 

Let's not also forget that Gayle's run in the Prem was broken up and more a bit part than Rondon's.

This chance here was typical of the type he was missing for us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laSEB5rrUv4
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: smethwickw on May 31, 2019, 03:12:20 PM

I'd be very cautious about using stats as any sort of barometer. Rondon, for example, spent a number of those games playing for us isolated and having the ball banged at him from sixty yards.

I was using the stats as a way of proving that Gayle has cut it in the Prem despite a lot of people saying that he hasn't. A goal every 2.5 games is very good. Rondon is seen by many as a proven Premiership striker but has an inferior goalscoring record. I agree playing under Pulis was difficult but he still missed a lot of chances here.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheBrom on May 31, 2019, 03:47:19 PM
I was using the stats as a way of proving that Gayle has cut it in the Prem despite a lot of people saying that he hasn't. A goal every 2.5 games is very good. Rondon is seen by many as a proven Premiership striker but has an inferior goalscoring record. I agree playing under Pulis was difficult but he still missed a lot of chances here.

I wouldn’t even bother. Tried saying the same thing when he was with us in the prem.

Apparently we can’t compare players because they’re different, or use stats, or look at how many goals strikers scored. Seemed to do well for us bringing in other players or whatever else he apparently did as we got relegated though, before jumping ship as soon as he could afterwards  :-\
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 31, 2019, 03:49:06 PM
I wouldn’t even bother. Tried saying the same thing when he was with us in the prem.

Apparently we can’t compare players because they’re different, or use stats, or look at how many goals strikers scored. Seemed to do well for us bringing in other players or whatever else he apparently did as we got relegated though, before jumping ship as soon as he could afterwards  :-\

Apparently he didn't have a relegation clause in his contract so club wanted him out just as much. Foster was the one who bailed as quick as his backside could get out of here.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TiptonThrostle on May 31, 2019, 03:54:55 PM
This talk of rondon was isolated at WBA and had balls banged up to him from 50 yards is nonsense.

he had service and used to miss chances on a regular basis.

and in my opinion, that was proved when so many people said in the summer last year he will score way more in a newcastle team that play more attacking and open and he will have more support.

he scored 2 more last season than he did with us in his best season in the prem for us scoring 9. £16.5m for a player who has scored double figures once in 4 prem seasons and whos best attribute is working hard. his first touch is average, for a big lad is average in the air too.

Gayle all day IMO.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BalisPen on May 31, 2019, 05:38:37 PM
I thought I'd look up some PL stats in the Rondon v Gayle debate.

Rondon

10845 mins - 35 goals
309 mins / goal

Gayle

4704 mins - 21 goals
224 mins / goal

Gayle has only started 50 PL games whereas Rondon has started 124.

I've never rated Rondon and would still take Gayle ahead of him.

I'd take Gayle from corrie over ronfon.

Terrible player joining a list of bad strikers from rosenberg to Brown to him.

But, you will always get people defending them. That you don't do this for them nor that and therefore don't play to their strengths.

When in all honesty there strength should be be banging them in.

Good strikers bang em in others have excuses made up for them.

I never trust a striker not chomping at the bit to take a pen. The fact he is so bad at them shows his laziness to improve.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 02, 2019, 04:35:16 PM
I'd take Rondon over Gayle. He is able to contribute more that just goals, whereas Gayle is a poacher who looks fantastic in the Championship, but we can't afford to carry in the Prem.

I'd take a partnership of the two of them over any involving Rodridguez though.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 02, 2019, 05:35:03 PM
I'd take Rondon over Gayle. He is able to contribute more that just goals, whereas Gayle is a poacher who looks fantastic in the Championship, but we can't afford to carry in the Prem.

I'd take a partnership of the two of them over any involving Rodridguez though.
Gayle & Rondon will both be retired by the time we appear in the Premier League again.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 02, 2019, 06:01:03 PM
Gayle & Rondon will both be retired by the time we appear in the Premier League again.

And Sam Field.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: seteefeet on June 02, 2019, 06:09:43 PM
And Sam Field.
And Dwight Rondon, the son, of the son and daughter, of Gayle and Rondon.
Chris Brunt, will still, however, be in centre midfield, with his wand of a zimmer frame.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 02, 2019, 06:14:45 PM
And Dwight Rondon, the son, of the son and daughter, of Gayle and Rondon.
Chris Brunt, will still, however, be in centre midfield, with his wand of a zimmer frame.
It's a good job we can see the funny side ain't it . Mind you most of the time, I'm not laughing.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 02, 2019, 06:30:16 PM
And Dwight Rondon, the son, of the son and daughter, of Gayle and Rondon.
Chris Brunt, will still, however, be in centre midfield, with his wand of a zimmer frame.

Brilliant. And sadly on target.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Pie on June 16, 2019, 11:31:52 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7145953/West-Brom-keen-sign-Dwight-Gayle-permanent-deal-Salomon-Rondon-joins-Newcastle.html

Its in the Daily Fail so it is probably nonsense.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 16, 2019, 12:08:09 PM
Could the Gayle / Rondon deal still be on the table  !!!

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/dwight-gayle-wba-newcastle-united-16436628
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lewisant on June 16, 2019, 12:10:01 PM
Could the Gayle / Rondon deal still be on the table  !!!

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/dwight-gayle-wba-newcastle-united-16436628

I think it would be a real signal of intent but also could be one that plays out through the window but it would lift the place.

I can still see it being loan with view to permanent with a price knocked down for Rondon.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tommcneill on June 16, 2019, 12:13:55 PM
We’ve been here before with Lukaku

I’m not getting my hopes up in the slightest
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: MarkW on June 16, 2019, 12:15:23 PM
Controversial opinion but I don't want us to sign Gayle. Turns 30 this year, and I'm not entirely sure he's a pure poacher who can carry on well into his thirties like Kevin Phillips could.

As Standaman said in another thread, he doesn't fit the role that Bilic is likely to want to play.

Thanks for a good season Dwight, but let's look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 16, 2019, 12:15:36 PM
Without Gayle we need 2 strikers. If we get Gayle back we only need another back up striker.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 16, 2019, 12:18:10 PM
Controversial opinion but I don't want us to sign Gayle. Turns 30 this year, and I'm not entirely sure he's a pure poacher who can carry on well into his thirties like Kevin Phillips could.

As Standaman said in another thread, he doesn't fit the role that Bilic is likely to want to play.

Thanks for a good season Dwight, but let's look elsewhere.

He would still deliver 20+ goals next season. Where we going to find those goals from ?

Without him last season we would never have made the play offs !!!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: MarkW on June 16, 2019, 12:20:31 PM
He would still deliver 20+ goals next season. Where we going to find those goals from ?

Without him last season we would never have made the play offs !!!

I'm not just thinking about next season. It's that kind of short term planning that got us into this mess.

People are suggesting 3 year contracts, so we're going to have a 32 year old striker with no real resale value on probably the largest wages at the club.

If we don't get promoted then he will be a major burden on this club.

Fans won't like it but if I were Dowling I wouldn't sanction a permanent move for him. A loan would be acceptable so long as there's no guarantee we have to sign him
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 16, 2019, 12:29:06 PM
I'm not just thinking about next season. It's that kind of short term planning that got us into this mess.

People are suggesting 3 year contracts, so we're going to have a 32 year old striker with no real resale value on probably the largest wages at the club.

If we don't get promoted then he will be a major burden on this club.

Fans won't like it but if I were Dowling I wouldn't sanction a permanent move for him. A loan would be acceptable so long as there's no guarantee we have to sign him

If we get promoted next season , his wages will be a pittance compared to the revenue we would generate in the premier league.

To get promoted we still need to score the same level of goals we scored last season.

The last thing we want is to see him go to Leeds or Middlesbrough and for him to score a hat trick against us.  I'm sure Dowling would be more wary of that happening.

He is guaranteed 20+ goals in this league , without him we are 20+ goals short next season.  That could mean no promotion.   Is it worth taking that risk !!!!

We need to start thinking about next season not 3 years away.  3 years away Bilic might not be with us !!!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 16, 2019, 12:43:06 PM
I'm not just thinking about next season. It's that kind of short term planning that got us into this mess.

People are suggesting 3 year contracts, so we're going to have a 32 year old striker with no real resale value on probably the largest wages at the club.

If we don't get promoted then he will be a major burden on this club.

Fans won't like it but if I were Dowling I wouldn't sanction a permanent move for him. A loan would be acceptable so long as there's no guarantee we have to sign him

Think of all those lovely goals he would score in 3 years though...
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on June 16, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
I'm not just thinking about next season. It's that kind of short term planning that got us into this mess.

People are suggesting 3 year contracts, so we're going to have a 32 year old striker with no real resale value on probably the largest wages at the club.

If we don't get promoted then he will be a major burden on this club.

Fans won't like it but if I were Dowling I wouldn't sanction a permanent move for him. A loan would be acceptable so long as there's no guarantee we have to sign him

I'm with you on this. Signing Gayle permanently would be a mistake considering his age, wages and the need to get promoted for it to not be a financial burden on the club.

However I think a second loan next season would be a good move. Rondon to Newcastle for £14.5m + Gayle on loan for the year would be an acceptable deal.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on June 16, 2019, 01:10:00 PM
If we get promoted next season , his wages will be a pittance compared to the revenue we would generate in the premier league.

To get promoted we still need to score the same level of goals we scored last season.

The last thing we want is to see him go to Leeds or Middlesbrough and for him to score a hat trick against us.  I'm sure Dowling would be more wary of that happening.

He is guaranteed 20+ goals in this league , without him we are 20+ goals short next season.  That could mean no promotion.   Is it worth taking that risk !!!!

We need to start thinking about next season not 3 years away.  3 years away Bilic might not be with us !!!

It doesn't work that way. Without him we will only be short on goals by as much as any replacement fails to match his goal rate. If we (purely hypothetically) signed nobody and just played Rogers up front all next season and he got 10-12 goals then you could argue we were 'technically' 8-10 goals short.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 16, 2019, 01:17:58 PM
It doesn't work that way. Without him we will only be short on goals by as much as any replacement fails to match his goal rate. If we (purely hypothetically) signed nobody and just played Rogers up front all next season and he got 10-12 goals then you could argue we were 'technically' 8-10 goals short.

That's the big problem. Who else can we bring in who will guarantee us goals. There is not many strikers around who you can say that about.

Strikers like Che Adams at Blues have done it for one season. In this league Gayle has done it for us last season, Newcastle  and Crystal palace in previous seasons.

If we had him we would guarantee those goals for us and deprive any other championship club of the 20+ goals.

we could buy a right donkey who promises us 20 goals but will probably end up with only 5  !!!

I'm sure many names come to mind in the past for Albion fans when anyone mentions that last statement.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie96 on June 16, 2019, 01:34:31 PM
There’s a deal to be done surely. Rondon for 12m and Gayle on loan? Newcastle to pay half of his 60k/week for the loan duration
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alwaysbilly on June 16, 2019, 01:36:12 PM
That's the big problem. Who else can we bring in who will guarantee us goals. There is not many strikers around who you can say that about.

Strikers like Che Adams at Blues have done it for one season. In this league Gayle has done it for us last season, Newcastle  and Crystal palace in previous seasons.

If we had him we would guarantee those goals for us and deprive any other championship club of the 20+ goals.

we could buy a right donkey who promises us 20 goals but will probably end up with only 5  !!!

I'm sure many names come to mind in the past for Albion fans when anyone mentions that last statement.

Yes like letting Phillips go and signing Bart who didn’t even play
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 16, 2019, 02:06:43 PM
Get him in, who are we going to recruit to replace his goals, and his lately found long throw-in expertise!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2019, 02:17:14 PM
He would still deliver 20+ goals next season. Where we going to find those goals from ?

Without him last season we would never have made the play offs !!!
Whilst I would certainly be happy to have him for another season or two, to suggest that it would be impossible to replace his goals is frankly silly. There were 8 or 9 players in the Championship alone who scored 20+ goals last season, and many more around the world. This is where a good DOF earns his dosh - find someone who we probably haven't heard of before, that can score goals at this level. A Peter Odemwingie or a young Lukaku for example. Or a Pukki, a McBurnie, or a Bowen, just to pluck 3 examples out of many.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 16, 2019, 02:35:19 PM
Whilst I would certainly be happy to have him for another season or two, to suggest that it would be impossible to replace his goals is frankly silly. There were 8 or 9 players in the Championship alone who scored 20+ goals last season, and many more around the world. This is where a good DOF earns his dosh - find someone who we probably haven't heard of before, that can score goals at this level. A Peter Odemwingie or a young Lukaku for example. Or a Pukki, a McBurnie, or a Bowen, just to pluck 3 examples out of many.

Its easy to say that after the season is over, but at the start of last season who would you put your money on to score 20 + goals last season, Gayle, Pukki , Mcburnie or Bowen ??

And who would you say is the best bet for 20+ goals next season ??
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: skyclad99 on June 16, 2019, 02:40:56 PM
I think this is just another piece of lazy journalism to be honest. Slaven only got the gig the other day, so who has he said this to? The Dowling comments are known to us so put two and two together and you come up with yet another 'none' story.......
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 16, 2019, 02:42:46 PM
Whilst I would certainly be happy to have him for another season or two, to suggest that it would be impossible to replace his goals is frankly silly. There were 8 or 9 players in the Championship alone who scored 20+ goals last season, and many more around the world. This is where a good DOF earns his dosh - find someone who we probably haven't heard of before, that can score goals at this level. A Peter Odemwingie or a young Lukaku for example. Or a Pukki, a McBurnie, or a Bowen, just to pluck 3 examples out of many.
Nobody scored 20+ goals whilst playing several games from wide positions though.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2019, 02:52:06 PM
Its easy to say that after the season is over, but at the start of last season who would you put your money on to score 20 + goals last season, Gayle, Pukki , Mcburnie or Bowen ??

And who would you say is the best bet for 20+ goals next season ??
At the start of last season, I'd have put my money on Gayle because he was proven at this level and I knew little of the other 3 I mentioned. But the bet would have been poor value because Gayle was only around 10/1 to be top scorer and the others were all over 50/1. However, this isn't the point I was making. You were suggesting that we wouldn't be able to replace his goals, but it is the job of the DOF to find the solution to that problem, and hopefully he is much better at doing so than you or I. I like Gayle but he is certainly not irreplaceable.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wba_1996 on June 16, 2019, 02:52:17 PM
Nobody scored 20+ goals whilst playing several games from wide positions though.

Bowen did whilst playing every single game on the wing. I’d love Gayle back but it’s not impossible to find a 20 goal Championship striker. If we can get one in who is younger than Gayle then it would be a massive bonus.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2019, 02:55:03 PM
Nobody scored 20+ goals whilst playing several games from wide positions though.
WBA_1996 beat me to it and he is right. The other point I would make is that none of the others were on 50k + a week, so there is a question of value for money as well
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 16, 2019, 03:06:48 PM
WBA_1996 beat me to it and he is right. The other point I would make is that none of the others were on 50k + a week, so there is a question of value for money as well

I'm not too sure we fans need to even mention money.  That is for the board to worry about.

I don't give a damn about money.  I pay for my season ticket so I expect goals and wins. Do you really think our season ticket is good value for money when we don't score goals but we are paying a striker £10k a week !!

And as for replacing Gayle with a younger player who will guarantee 20+ goals next season.........  good luck with that.  Don't you think that's what all the championship sides are after ?

I remember Man Utd buying Van Persie for £25 Million when he was over 30 and many so called pundits said it was bad business , but his goals helped deliver the title for them in his 1st season.

If this time next season  we are looking forward to competing in the premier league after winning the championship and Gayle had scored 20+ goals , i wonder how many Albion fans will be moaning about his wages or how old he is ???
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: GREGMT on June 16, 2019, 03:16:35 PM
Do you realise that Gayle had the best goals to mins ratio in the division?  He missed quite a few games while other strikers played almost every game.  It is not easy to pluck a 20+ goal a season player from obscurity.

We simply have to take the money for Rondon and get Gayle back for 1 year.

I mean how much are we spending to retain Brunt again?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on June 16, 2019, 03:18:18 PM
Anyone who doesn’t want to sign Gayle back should see their GP and shrink immediately. Best striker in this league bar none. The fantasy that we can buy an unknown from abroad and find a goal machine is just that. An Odemwingie or Pukki turn up once a decade. Any one with calibre at this level, like Maupay would be just as expensive or more expensive than Gayle. This whole debate is ridiculous, just goes to show how small time a section of our fan base is. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2019, 03:18:48 PM
I'm not too sure we fans need to even mention money.  That is for the board to worry about.

I don't give a damn about money.  I pay for my season ticket so I expect goals and wins. Do you really think our season ticket is good value for money when we don't score goals but we are paying a striker £10k a week !!

And as for replacing Gayle with a younger player who will guarantee 20+ goals next season.........  good luck with that.  Don't you think that's what all the championship sides are after ?

I remember Man Utd buying Van Persie for £25 Million when he was over 30 and many so called pundits said it was bad business , but his goals helped deliver the title for them in his 1st season.

If this time next season  we are looking forward to competing in the premier league after winning the championship and Gayle had scored 20+ goals , i wonder how many Albion fans will be moaning about his wages or how old he is ???
Plenty I would imagine. We would now have a striker on very high wages who has never been very successful in the Premier League and is aged over 30 and counting.
You seem to think Gayle is some sort of miracle man who can't be replaced. He isn't and he can.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on June 16, 2019, 03:20:32 PM
Do you realise that Gayle had the best goals to mins ratio in the division?  He missed quite a few games while other strikers played almost every game.  It is not easy to pluck a 20+ goal a season player from obscurity.

We simply have to take the money for Rondon and get Gayle back for 1 year.

I mean how much are we spending to retain Brunt again?

Thank you for reminding me that some of our fans are still sane, I completely agree with you.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2019, 03:28:49 PM
Thank you for reminding me that some of our fans are still sane, I completely agree with you.
Ah, so anyone who agrees with you is sane, and anyone who doesn't is completely bonkers? Mmmm.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 16, 2019, 03:29:22 PM
Plenty I would imagine. We would now have a striker on very high wages who has never been very successful in the Premier League and is aged over 30 and counting.
You seem to think Gayle is some sort of miracle man who can't be replaced. He isn't and he can.

I remember back in 2007/08 when we won the championship title, we had a player called Kevin Phillips playing for us at the age of 34. He scored 24 goals for us that season after being out injured a fair few weeks.

The next season we didn't offer him a good enough contract so he went to Blues. I remember a lot of Albion fans moaning about that decision.

I really can't understand why you dislike the idea of us signing a Gayle !!! :o
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: KN22 on June 16, 2019, 03:34:03 PM
One other small thing, which has been stated before, he is currently 28 years old. He was born on 17 October 1990.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gerry m on June 16, 2019, 03:38:30 PM
Just had a look on Wikipedia regarding his Appearances to goals ratio in the Championship and he's played 104 times and scored 60 goals. Yeah he is on £55k a week but in my opinion worth every penny.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2019, 03:41:17 PM
I remember back in 2007/08 when we won the championship title, we had a player called Kevin Phillips playing for us at the age of 34. He scored 24 goals for us that season after being out injured a fair few weeks.

The next season we didn't offer him a good enough contract so he went to Blues. I remember a lot of Albion fans moaning about that decision.

I really can't understand why you dislike the idea of us signing a Gayle !!! :o
Read my posts again and you will see that I don't. I would love him to come back next year. It is very unlikely though. And the world (nor the Albion) won't end if he doesn't.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2019, 03:45:20 PM
Just had a look on Wikipedia regarding his Appearances to goals ratio in the Championship and he's played 104 times and scored 60 goals. Yeah he is on £55k a week but in my opinion worth every penny.
Maybe so, but we are looking to build a new team and can't afford to pay one player that much in the Championship. That seems to be the club's position anyway, in which case this is a pointless discussion.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: GREGMT on June 16, 2019, 03:53:08 PM
But we can afford pay a non entity like HRK a reputed £40k per week.  Its ok because he was a free transfer, never mind the fact he's not very good.

The release of Barry and Morrison will savd us money and we should be looking to cash in on Dawson.  Rondon will obviously go.

I think it's more a question of making him the highest paid player and upsetting the applecart on team spirit rather than whether we can physically afford it.

More kids should be integrated being 1 year old older e.g. Edwards.  These players are "free".
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gerry m on June 16, 2019, 03:56:35 PM
Maybe so, but we are looking to build a new team and can't afford to pay one player that much in the Championship. That seems to be the club's position anyway, in which case this is a pointless discussion.

Sorry for having an opinion that you dont agree with. It's a forum mate.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tommcneill on June 16, 2019, 04:45:15 PM
One other small thing, which has been stated before, he is currently 28 years old. He was born on 17 October 1990.

Thought it was 1989?? That’s what his wiki says anyway
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2019, 05:04:56 PM
Forget his age, wages, goals ratio, blah blah blah.
If we could do it at at he right cost and obviously if Slav wanted him I would love to see him back next season same as Holgate.
Worth noting that the stand out players in OUR team last season were not our players apart from Hegazi
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 16, 2019, 05:11:49 PM
Forget his age, wages, goals ratio, blah blah blah.
If we could do it at at he right cost and obviously if Slav wanted him I would love to see him back next season same as Holgate.
Worth noting that the stand out players in OUR team last season were not our players apart from Hegazi


Phillips, Gibbs? Brunty of course.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2019, 05:15:31 PM

Phillips, Gibbs? Brunty of course.

Barnes, Gayle, Holgate. then our players
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2019, 05:21:23 PM
Sorry for having an opinion that you dont agree with. It's a forum mate.
Eh? I had no problem with your post or your opinion. If you meant the bit where I said it could be a pointless discussion, I meant from all our points of view ie if the club had already decided that we couldn't afford him, any opinion became academic.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2019, 05:30:46 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7145953/West-Brom-keen-sign-Dwight-Gayle-permanent-deal-Salomon-Rondon-joins-Newcastle.html

Its in the Daily Fail so it is probably nonsense.

Fingers crossed that Slav wants him and can convince the board
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 16, 2019, 05:34:30 PM

Phillips, Gibbs? Brunty of course.

Unfortunately none of them were stand out.

Only stand out players last season were Gayle and Barnes. The rest were much of a muchness and not much to shout about overall.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: timdon on June 16, 2019, 05:41:17 PM
Unfortunately none of them were stand out.

Only stand out players last season were Gayle and Barnes. The rest were much of a muchness and not much to shout about overall.
Hegazi as well I think.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gerry m on June 16, 2019, 05:48:55 PM
Eh? I had no problem with your post or your opinion. If you meant the bit where I said it could be a pointless discussion, I meant from all our points of view ie if the club had already decided that we couldn't afford him, any opinion became academic.

No problems mate! We all get a bit passionate at times because we care for the club.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 16, 2019, 10:56:33 PM
Anyone who doesn’t want to sign Gayle back should see their GP and shrink immediately. Best striker in this league bar none. The fantasy that we can buy an unknown from abroad and find a goal machine is just that. An Odemwingie or Pukki turn up once a decade. Any one with calibre at this level, like Maupay would be just as expensive or more expensive than Gayle. This whole debate is ridiculous, just goes to show how small time a section of our fan base is.
Anyone who doesn’t want to sign Gayle back should see their GP and shrink immediately. Best striker in this league bar none. The fantasy that we can buy an unknown from abroad and find a goal machine is just that. An Odemwingie or Pukki turn up once a decade. Any one with calibre at this level, like Maupay would be just as expensive or more expensive than Gayle. This whole debate is ridiculous, just goes to show how small time a section of our fan base is.

How decent of you to be the self proclaimed leader of sanity

There are for’s and against’s
He has pedigree and wore the stripes well
He is also getting on and is quite expensive

The debate is not ridiculous and if it were your money you may be a touch more careful with it?
Anyway, having debate does not a smalltime fan base make
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 16, 2019, 11:26:33 PM
How decent of you to be the self proclaimed leader of sanity

There are for’s and against’s
He has pedigree and wore the stripes well
He is also getting on and is quite expensive

The debate is not ridiculous and if it were your money you may be a touch more careful with it?
Anyway, having debate does not a smalltime fan base make

The debate is riduculous. Gayle's goals are worth they weight in gold, literally. We should resign him if at all possible. No debating about it, he's the best centre forward we could realistically attract. He can also cut it in the Prem when the team is setup to suit his game.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 16, 2019, 11:56:21 PM
So Bilic should tear up his tried and tested method to re-sign Gayle, wasting most of his budget at the same time, or crowbar him in to his method at wide left, where he's entirely ineffective as displayed last season when Barnes left?


Would be interested to hear the answer to these pertinent questions beyond, worth his weight in gold, guarantees you 20 goals ad nauseum.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on June 17, 2019, 12:05:13 AM
Spending a very large part of the likely player budget on a player that does not fit into Bilic's likely tactical template is not the smartest move. Add in the fact that at 28 he hasn't many peak years left and certainly will be past his prime at the end of a 3 year contract

We are struggling to sell a 29 year old Rondon for the release clause with one year left on his contract. Why is everyone so keen to saddle us with another aging striker with little or no sell on value?

It is no use pointing at the money the Robson-Kanu or Livermore earn yes fine but those contracts are the reason why we can't afford to buy Gayle. In any event with the flexdown those contracts are managable in the short term whereas Gayle has 2 more years on his Premier League contract at Newcastle at £50k a week and that is the killer.

Sorry guys you may live in a fantasy world where money is "not our concern" but if you want to understand what is likely to happen or what the possibilities are then some sort of nodding aquinatance with the economic realities might be helpful.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on June 17, 2019, 12:08:16 AM
Normally, Gayle's wages would be end of story for us, but this time we do have leverage because of  Rondon's situation, and Newcastle's wish to buy him.  This is the time for Jenkins and Dowling to show a bit of creativity, and make Gayle part of the negotiation.
Gayle is a player who gave every indication of enjoying his time with us.
People who say we can easily find a replacement, will I think will end up with egg on their face, as there will be stiff competition for any other proven goalscorers.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on June 17, 2019, 12:30:21 AM
Normally, Gayle's wages would be end of story for us, but this time we do have leverage because of  Rondon's situation, and Newcastle's wish to buy him.  This is the time for Jenkins and Dowling to show a bit of creativity, and make Gayle part of the negotiation.
Gayle is a player who gave every indication of enjoying his time with us.
People who say we can easily find a replacement, will I think will end up with egg on their face, as there will be stiff competition for any other proven goalscorers.

The Rondon situation gives us zero leverage with Newcastle. It would seem that the Newcastle hierarchy are trying to haggle the fee down on Rondon while demanding £20m for Gayle. It is only when the wheels drop off that particular bandwagon that any deals will get done. Factor in the takeover which may happen as early as July and all bets are off with regard to Rondon.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on June 17, 2019, 12:42:14 AM
The Rondon situation gives us zero leverage with Newcastle. It would seem that the Newcastle hierarchy are trying to haggle the fee down on Rondon while demanding £20m for Gayle. It is only when the wheels drop off that particular bandwagon that any deals will get done. Factor in the takeover which may happen as early as July and all bets are off with regard to Rondon.
Depends on how much they want Rondon. If they want to play hardball over Gayle, then we should not make life too easy for them. Ideally, we need a you scratch my back, and we'll scratch yours understanding.   
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 17, 2019, 12:50:43 AM
Normally, Gayle's wages would be end of story for us, but this time we do have leverage because of  Rondon's situation, and Newcastle's wish to buy him.  This is the time for Jenkins and Dowling to show a bit of creativity, and make Gayle part of the negotiation.
Gayle is a player who gave every indication of enjoying his time with us.
People who say we can easily find a replacement, will I think will end up with egg on their face, as there will be stiff competition for any other proven goalscorers.


Where will Bilic play Dwight Gayle should we acquire him?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on June 17, 2019, 01:19:50 AM

Where will Bilic play Dwight Gayle should we acquire him?
I think I know what you're suggesting, that Billic plays 4-2-3-1 and Gayle isn't a target man.
This is where Billic has to earn his crust, if he's the manager he's supposed to be. When you have a player with Gayle's ability, you have to adapt and find a way of accommodating him. He isn't a classic target man playing on his own up top. He's best when making runs through from deep positions and of course snapping up chances and half chances from around the box. It's Billic's job to tweak the abilities of all the players into the most effective unit, and if that means abandoning 4-2-3-1 , that's what he has to do.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 17, 2019, 01:49:51 AM
I think I know what you're suggesting, that Billic plays 4-2-3-1 and Gayle isn't a target man.
This is where Billic has to earn his crust, if he's the manager he's supposed to be. When you have a player with Gayle's ability, you have to adapt and find a way of accommodating him. He isn't a classic target man playing on his own up top. He's best when making runs through from deep positions and of course snapping up chances and half chances from around the box. It's Billic's job to tweak the abilities of all the players into the most effective unit, and if that means abandoning 4-2-3-1 , that's what he has to do.


Couldn't disagree more. You don't sign a player that would mean you had to tear up the blueprint you'd used successfully throughout your career. Re-signing Gayle is a total non starter imo and not just because of cost.


He provided us with some great goals and memories but it's time to move on.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on June 17, 2019, 02:05:49 AM

Couldn't disagree more. You don't sign a player that would mean you had to tear up the blueprint you'd used successfully throughout your career. Re-signing Gayle is a total non starter imo and not just because of cost.


He provided us with some great goals and memories but it's time to move on.
So signing an instinctive goalscorer means tearing up some tactical "blueprint"? Not comparing Gayle to Messi, but would you refuse Messi on the same basis? 

When you say move on, does that mean moving onto finding a striker who scores 12 instead of 24 a season?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 17, 2019, 03:29:40 AM
So signing an instinctive goalscorer means tearing up some tactical "blueprint"? Not comparing Gayle to Messi, but would you refuse Messi on the same basis? 

When you say move on, does that mean moving onto finding a striker who scores 12 instead of 24 a season?


By asking me the question you are comparing Gayle to Messi, in importance anyway, and no Gayle isn't as important a player to us as Messi would be to anyone.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on June 17, 2019, 04:22:37 AM

Couldn't disagree more. You don't sign a player that would mean you had to tear up the blueprint you'd used successfully throughout your career. Re-signing Gayle is a total non starter imo and not just because of cost.


He provided us with some great goals and memories but it's time to move on.

Going with your belief of moving on from Gayle, I do have some questions as to the future lineup.
We are likely to lose Rondon and JRod in the coming weeks leaving us with HRK.
Where do you think our goals will come from this season?
How much are you willing to spend to find a proven goal scorer?
If recent history is anything to go by , the budget for players will be small and we have to rebuild an aging team.
Wouldnt a straight swap of Rondon for Gayle make sense under these circumstances?

I believe you pay for proven results(Gayle's scoring history) and cut back on underperforming, aging players.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on June 17, 2019, 06:33:48 AM
The argument that Bilic should change to accomodate Gayle might be valid if he was our player but he isn't so we have to gut our budget to get a player that does not fit the Head Coaches tactical blueprint.

In terms of the negotiating position between ourselves and Newcastle. Ultimately if someone meets the release clause we have no choice but to sell Rondon and we need to sell otherwise he is a free agent at the end of next season and will leave for no fee. The Newcastle hierarchy are not keen on the deal and are trying to chip away at the price. On the other hand they have Gayle on a 2 year contract while they are quite happy to sell the very worse case scenario if they don't get their asking price they loan him out at the end of the window which will offset some of the costs of having the player.

The swap deal is not going to happen. Time to move on.


Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: skyclad99 on June 17, 2019, 07:37:08 AM
Just read the last few pages of posts with interest. It is a fact that the majority of us would love to see Dwight at our club next year, and as someone said good luck with finding someone who can score 20 goals a season if we don't buy him. We also know that he is on a premiership wage, circa £55k per week, so with the transfer fee we probably cannot afford him [but we do have Rondon to bargain with]. Many say 'just sign him' as if it is that easy but the problem for me is how this will sit with the rest of the team. Consider Norwich, or Sheffield United, they did it this year working as a team, there were no big wage superstars within the squads and teamwork played a considerable part of achieving promotion.

Given that the rest of our squad will be on considerably less than half of what Dwight will be earning, do you not think that this will have a detrimental effect on our team at all? Personally I think that these devisive issues have affected our team over the past couple of seasons so I would like to move away from that.

Just asking...don't get me wrong, I would love to see Dwight back!.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 17, 2019, 08:41:16 AM
It seems everyone is an accountant. Talking about wages, costs etc etc.

At the end of the day the only thing that matters to us season ticket holders is winning matches.  To win matches you need to score goals and gayle would deliver that , guaranteed.

As far as the argument about " He would be earning more than other members of the team", its a fact that the goalscorer in any team always earns the most money.  Who earns the most at Tottenham ?  Harry Kane,

If the players are on the same bonus next year for promotion, do you really think the rest of the team matter how much gayle earns if he scores the goals to get the team their bonus.

If we are relying on HRK and a new face to score the goals, then forget any thoughts about promotion because it won't happen.

Forget thinking like an accountant, its all about the goals and at the end of the day goals win matches !!!



Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 17, 2019, 08:45:39 AM
I wish people would stop torturing themselves with this. Gayle isn't coming back. Even if we could afford him for this season, we can't commit to a contract that big just in case we don't get promotion. We can't afford his wages without the parachute payments (at least). Plus he'll have better financial offers.

It's not happening. The club have been clear in that. But I'll guarantee when he signs for Sheffield United, Fulham, or somebody else, there will be another meltdown.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: darbolina on June 17, 2019, 08:54:08 AM
Agree, it's time for a new beginning. The club have been very very clear Gayle isn't coming back , neither is Barnes and I bet next season's starting 11 by September will have only a couple of players who were starters last season (maybe three or four max).
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 17, 2019, 09:07:48 AM
It seems everyone is an accountant. Talking about wages, costs etc etc.

At the end of the day the only thing that matters to us season ticket holders is winning matches.  To win matches you need to score goals and gayle would deliver that , guaranteed.

As far as the argument about " He would be earning more than other members of the team", its a fact that the goalscorer in any team always earns the most money.  Who earns the most at Tottenham ?  Harry Kane,

If the players are on the same bonus next year for promotion, do you really think the rest of the team matter how much gayle earns if he scores the goals to get the team their bonus.

If we are relying on HRK and a new face to score the goals, then forget any thoughts about promotion because it won't happen.

Forget thinking like an accountant, its all about the goals and at the end of the day goals win matches !!!

Isn't Ozil the highest earner at Arsenal?  I think also De Bruyne is the highest earner at Man City?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 17, 2019, 09:08:13 AM
I wish people would stop torturing themselves with this. Gayle isn't coming back. Even if we could afford him for this season, we can't commit to a contract that big just in case we don't get promotion. We can't afford his wages without the parachute payments (at least). Plus he'll have better financial offers.

It's not happening. The club have been clear in that. But I'll guarantee when he signs for Sheffield United, Fulham, or somebody else, there will be another meltdown.

Things have changed since we said Gayle wasn't coming back,  Bilic has arrived.  Who knows what is going on behind closed doors.  Maybe Bilic could persuade both Gayle and the board to come to a compromise.

The club had a massive boost with the arrival of Bilic. If we could get Gayle back the club would have another massive boost and would send out a message not only to the other teams in the division but also some of our other players who are thinking of jumping ship.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 17, 2019, 09:10:15 AM
Isn't Ozil the highest earner at Arsenal?  I think also De Bruyne is the highest earner at Man City?

I thought it was Sterling at Man City !  I also think you will find its Jamie Vardy at Leicester.


Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on June 17, 2019, 09:12:00 AM
It's shoddy, made up journalism like this from the Daily Mail that stops us moving on because unfortunately some people believe it. There are going to be a lot of rumours in the press in the coming weeks and most of them will be wide of the mark, this is what happens at this time of the year.

Gayle isn't going to return and it really is time this sinks in.  There is no point squabbling about it.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 17, 2019, 09:16:05 AM
It's shoddy, made up journalism like this from the Daily Mail that stops us moving on because unfortunately some people believe it. There are going to be a lot of rumours in the press in the coming weeks and most of them will be wide of the mark, this is what happens at this time of the year.

Gayle isn't going to return and it really is time this sinks in.  There is no point squabbling about it.

I saw it in the evening mail so its got to be gospel !!!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: skyclad99 on June 17, 2019, 09:21:02 AM
It seems everyone is an accountant. Talking about wages, costs etc etc.

At the end of the day the only thing that matters to us season ticket holders is winning matches.  To win matches you need to score goals and gayle would deliver that , guaranteed.

As far as the argument about " He would be earning more than other members of the team", its a fact that the goalscorer in any team always earns the most money.  Who earns the most at Tottenham ?  Harry Kane,

If the players are on the same bonus next year for promotion, do you really think the rest of the team matter how much gayle earns if he scores the goals to get the team their bonus.

If we are relying on HRK and a new face to score the goals, then forget any thoughts about promotion because it won't happen.

Forget thinking like an accountant, its all about the goals and at the end of the day goals win matches !!!

You seem to have missed the point, the rest of the Tottenham players are on Premiership wages, so although Kane may be the highest earner, you will know that Alli and co are not far behind. At the Albion, if Gayle was to come back [and he isn't by the looks of it], then then rest of the team will not even be on half of what he is picking up.

I am not an accountant by the way, but this is pretty obvious to a simpleton like me.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 17, 2019, 09:22:46 AM
I thought it was Sterling at Man City !  I also think you will find its Jamie Vardy at Leicester.

Dunno about Sterling I found a piece saying it was De Bruyne (might be from before any deal was done with Sterling though). The FACT remains though that Ozil is the highest earner at Arsenal and he isn't a goal scorer proving that it isn't always goalscorers that are the highest paid players in any team which you claimed was the case. Usually the highest paid players, certainly, but not always.

Just found a piece that states it's De Bruyne and Aguero that are paid the most at Man City, so one of the highest paid players at Man City is a goal scorer the other isn't.

https://sillyseason.com/salary/manchester-city-players-salaries-69071/
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on June 17, 2019, 09:24:02 AM
From financial and tactically perspectives, he is not a viable and sustainable proposition
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 17, 2019, 09:32:23 AM
From financial and tactically perspectives, he is not a viable and sustainable proposition

Keep that statement with you throughout next season.  Lets see how many games we regret not having a goalscorer like Gayle.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on June 17, 2019, 09:54:20 AM
Obviously not all circumstances are the same, but this reminds me a bit of the Kevin Phillips saga. For the 2007-2008 season Phillips was voted Player of the Year, he scored 24 goals and we were promoted. We refused him a 2 year contract for the next season, and we and Phillips moved on. 
I'm sure some of the same arguments were being deployed then about his age, being past his best etc. and there being better striker alternatives out there. Those better alternatives mustered 6 goals (Bednar), 5 goals (Fortune) 3 goals (Miller) and 1 goal (Simpson) between them and we were relegated. 
Moral of the story: It's not easy finding those better alternatives. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Throstletown on June 17, 2019, 10:10:22 AM
If no other club comes in for Rondon then Mike Ashley knows that he has us over a barrel with regards wages. The guy is a business man and the longer this saga goes on we will be sweating and come pleading for a deal one to get some of our investment back and 2 to get the highest earner off the wage bill. Ashley v Jenkins only one winner so I hope Sols agent finds him a deal because there only going to be one winner if we go down the swap route
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on June 17, 2019, 10:42:22 AM
We've signed Bilic to get promoted, not to mill around in the middle of the Championship.

We won't get promoted if we don't score goals.  It's as simple as that.

As it stands, our frontline is very very light and that's assuming J-Rod stays.

Without knowing what's going on behind the scenes (maybe Gayle is dropping his demands, maybe Ashley is dropping his price, maybe Bilic has sanctioned signing him, maybe we, or Newcastle, are getting desperate), then I don't know how anyone can say he is not a viable or sustainable proposition.



Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on June 17, 2019, 11:01:26 AM
People are saying that Gayle being on more money would not go down well with other players.
If I was Hegazi or Gibbs I would be more pi$$ed that HRK was on £25k a week than Gayle being on £50k.

Plus unless Gayle goes round the dressing room showing off his payslip then who's to know how much he's on.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 17, 2019, 12:07:39 PM
If no other club comes in for Rondon then Mike Ashley knows that he has us over a barrel with regards wages. The guy is a business man and the longer this saga goes on we will be sweating and come pleading for a deal one to get some of our investment back and 2 to get the highest earner off the wage bill. Ashley v Jenkins only one winner so I hope Sols agent finds him a deal because there only going to be one winner if we go down the swap route

If the takeover deal goes through, which is quite likely, then it won't be Ashley we deal with.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: seteefeet on June 17, 2019, 12:39:13 PM
Think it's highly unlikely but, if Bilic wants him, and there is a way to make it happen, then it's a no brainer. Certainly no harm in discussing it on here, what else have we got to talk about?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on June 17, 2019, 12:46:34 PM
If we are getting £16m for Rondon which seems likely then I don't see why we can't  sign Gayle permanently, presuming we can persuade him to come back. His wages at Newcastle are around £2.5m a year reported, no reason why we can't negotiate Newcastle into paying us £6m plus Gayle to swap with Rondon, that would cover his wages and we could either sign him up to a 3 year deal or a 2 years plus 1 year in the clubs favour. It is certainly worth looking at as that would be attractive to the Newcastle board who are reluctant to pay fees for oldish players and Rondon / Benitez, no doubt he would be happy to sign for them permanently and Benitez likes him. It it is just a matter of whether Gayle could buy into it as opposed to holding out for a Premiership move to Norwich etc. Bear in mind as well we have already massively reduced the wage bill by releasing Barry, Morrison & others.  If / when J-Rod / Dawson get sold we get a further cash boost to strengthen the rest of the team (in addition to this years Parachute which is not that far behind last years).

My overall point is there is sufficient financial flexibility to sign him back if we really want to, of course the player at the end of the day will have the final say. I do not accept this idea that we can't afford him and would have to start laying off the tea lady etc, the figures don't bear that out when you consider what we are likely to be getting in for Rondon.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 17, 2019, 12:52:48 PM
With all due respect, none of you are thinking long term. We could lash out a lot of money on Gayle, and what are we going to get in return? His goals do not guarantee promotion if the rest of the team isn't up to it, we saw that last season. And if we don't go back up we can't afford to keep him, so we'd have to take a loss to get him off the books.

Simply put, we can't afford to pay his wages if we don't go up and don't get parachute payments. We can't mortgage the future of the club based on signing one player, when we may be able to find cheaper alternatives.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: KN22 on June 17, 2019, 01:02:08 PM
I have read the posts on this thread with great interest. My start point is to say that I am a massive fan of Gayle. Given his record last season who wouldn't be? I have concluded however that he will not return and that this is probably the right outcome. If, as others who seem to know more than me have stated, he does not fit in with how Bilic wants to play, then why sign him? There is also the very valid point that should we not win promotion we are saddled with an extremely high salary without the parachute payments to support it.

Having stated all of the above I am extremely concerned about where the 46 goals scored by DG and JR will come from but the answer to that is for others to resolve. It will be an interesting summer once the players return that's for sure!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 17, 2019, 01:16:03 PM
With all due respect, none of you are thinking long term. We could lash out a lot of money on Gayle, and what are we going to get in return? His goals do not guarantee promotion if the rest of the team isn't up to it, we saw that last season. And if we don't go back up we can't afford to keep him, so we'd have to take a loss to get him off the books.

Simply put, we can't afford to pay his wages if we don't go up and don't get parachute payments. We can't mortgage the future of the club based on signing one player, when we may be able to find cheaper alternatives.

Cheaper alternatives come with lower expectations and lower achievements.

if we signed him on a 3 year contract, at £55K a week the total contract would cost us £2.5 mill a year, £7.5 mill over the 3year contact.  We will get £16 mill for Rondon. Probably get around £10 mill for Dawson.  So there we have £26 mill coming in, £7.5 mill for Gayle's wages leaving £18.5 mill for other players and of course Gayles actual transfer fee.  So it is achievable.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on June 17, 2019, 01:17:15 PM
With all due respect, none of you are thinking long term. We could lash out a lot of money on Gayle, and what are we going to get in return? His goals do not guarantee promotion if the rest of the team isn't up to it, we saw that last season. And if we don't go back up we can't afford to keep him, so we'd have to take a loss to get him off the books.

Simply put, we can't afford to pay his wages if we don't go up and don't get parachute payments. We can't mortgage the future of the club based on signing one player, when we may be able to find cheaper alternatives.

1) What would we get in return: the best striker in the championship, a goal machine who is 29 this year not 34 as some of the posters imply.
2) If we don't go back up we can't afford fro keep him / we can't afford his wages if we don't go up: Not true, no reason why the sale of Rondon can't fund his wages over 2/3 years. We have already removed Barry, Morrison, Hoolahan, Mears & Myhill from the wages.
3) We can't mortgage the sale of the club based on signing one player - agreed but that's not the case, scare mongering. If Newcastle will compromise by paying us circa £6m plus Gayle for Rondon (or another club buys him at his clause and Newcastle accept £10m for Gayle) then no reason why we can't try to resign him. We have the flexibility with all parachute money, player sales, squad size.

£10m on Gayle over three years is a good investment, you get what you pay for with him. Bear in mind every chance of J-Rod going as well so that would be £26m in him and Rondon alone. The idea that the club would be risking it's financial future doesn't add up when you look at the income, player assets and wages.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on June 17, 2019, 01:39:18 PM
Barnes, Gayle, Holgate. then our players

If Barnes was as integral as most seem to believe, then why was our goals scored record after he left no worse than it was during his loan stint? Holgate was very good, but I wouldn't say he was any better than Gibbs.

Hegazi, Gayle, Rodriguez, Philips, Barnes, Gibbs, Holgate in that order for me.

Gayle's goals are as replaceable as Barnes' were, whether by the signing of one '20-a-season-striker' or by bringing in players who can score regularly from midfield. It's also at least as important next season the defence is meaner, which will mean less goals to win games in the first place. How all this is managed is obviously dependent on Bilic's plans.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: liverbaggie on June 17, 2019, 01:53:06 PM
He's a proven goalscorer in this division,all other clubs would want him if he wants to come back let him I say,the money will be available where are all these 20 goal a season players coming from? Pay the man who gets the goals other players stop moaning because if we get promoted they all get a pay rise. He's a cracking player for us,forget the cost and age
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lewisant on June 17, 2019, 02:11:21 PM
I'd love Gayle but i do think people are underestimating the rebuild. 6 loan players gone, 5 released and in all likelihood we'll lose another 5 or 6. Admittedly some of the loans and released won't be missed (Hoolahan, Mears, Montero who played next to no part in our season) but Bilic needs to bring in 6 or 7 first teamers that will challenge the first team.

If we spend X million on Gayle's wages and a chunk of Rondon's fee is gone it gives Bilic and Dowling way less wiggle room on other deals and pushes down the quality in other positions.

I'd love Gayle but it will make all other business more difficult.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 17, 2019, 02:17:57 PM
He's a proven goalscorer in this division,all other clubs would want him if he wants to come back let him I say,the money will be available where are all these 20 goal a season players coming from? Pay the man who gets the goals other players stop moaning because if we get promoted they all get a pay rise. He's a cracking player for us,forget the cost and age

9 players scored 20+ goals in the championship last season, so 7 other clubs managed to have 20+ goalscorers, just maybe they aren't the rarity they're being made out to be.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 17, 2019, 02:28:53 PM
Dwight Gayle is a terrific goal scorer of that there is absolutely no doubt. Ultimately it will come down to how Bilic wants to set his side up.

What Gayle did show though is that he scored those goals on scraps. How well would he fair in a team capable of keeping the ball and creating chances? Or just attacking with purpose?

More of a concern for me is the lack of goals from elsewhere last season. Strengthening the three behind the striker and utilising the loan market for a striker may well be how Bilic will want to do things.

BUT if you go and pay one player X amount how good is that for the dressing room? That's why I'd be so reluctant to sign Gayle.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on June 17, 2019, 02:58:04 PM
9 players scored 20+ goals in the championship last season, so 7 other clubs managed to have 20+ goalscorers, just maybe they aren't the rarity they're being made out to be.

and 17 clubs didn't
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: slate on June 17, 2019, 03:00:42 PM
Dwight Gayle is a terrific goal scorer of that there is absolutely no doubt. Ultimately it will come down to how Bilic wants to set his side up.

What Gayle did show though is that he scored those goals on scraps. How well would he fair in a team capable of keeping the ball and creating chances? Or just attacking with purpose?

More of a concern for me is the lack of goals from elsewhere last season. Strengthening the three behind the striker and utilising the loan market for a striker may well be how Bilic will want to do things.

BUT if you go and pay one player X amount how good is that for the dressing room? That's why I'd be so reluctant to sign Gayle.

All football clubs have a vast spread of wages and seem to manage the dressing room ok. Another poster above has mentioned that there are 9 other 20+ goals per year strikers, however I'd guess that they are going to cost somewhere in the region of £10 million to buy.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Mister AT on June 17, 2019, 03:23:02 PM
I would be the first to say I would love Gayle back here but it's simply not going to happen.

It's all well and good saying we can factor in some of the wages in the Rondon deal, or that we have already saved money on Barry and Morrison, but let's not forget we are already around 8-10 players short in the squad compared to 2 months ago.

We have to bring in at least 4-6 genuine first team players, majority of which will be on decent enough wages.

The only way the Gayle deal ever happened would be if for some strange reason he was happy to come here on 30k a week, which isn't going to happen.

There are players out there who we can look to pick up and score some goals, Pukki, Maupay, McBurnie, Che Adams, Vydra, Grabban have all scored over 20 goals (either last season or the season before) so there are players out there who will score the goals and cost us less.

For me the biggest problem this club has got is to get some midfielders in who can actually score some goals and get close to double figures. Excluding Matt Phillips we don't have anyone even capable of coming close to that.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: NJS on June 17, 2019, 04:04:26 PM
Putting all your finance eggs into one basket rarely works; it's a team game.  What about if he got a serious injury?
Gayle dives and antagonises refs.  That throw-in nonsense in the play-offs was sheer stupidity and meant that we were short of penalty takers in the final act.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 17, 2019, 04:39:05 PM
Putting all your finance eggs into one basket rarely works; it's a team game.  What about if he got a serious injury?
Gayle dives and antagonises refs.  That throw-in nonsense in the play-offs was sheer stupidity and meant that we were short of penalty takers in the final act.


We'd have won the 2nd leg by a street had Gayle and the referee not been utterly stupid at VP.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on June 17, 2019, 04:49:21 PM
Mister AT, out of those players you listed, how many are available and what would the transfer fee and wages be?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on June 17, 2019, 04:58:11 PM
1) What would we get in return: the best striker in the championship, a goal machine who is 29 this year not 34 as some of the posters imply.
2) If we don't go back up we can't afford fro keep him / we can't afford his wages if we don't go up: Not true, no reason why the sale of Rondon can't fund his wages over 2/3 years. We have already removed Barry, Morrison, Hoolahan, Mears & Myhill from the wages.
3) We can't mortgage the sale of the club based on signing one player - agreed but that's not the case, scare mongering. If Newcastle will compromise by paying us circa £6m plus Gayle for Rondon (or another club buys him at his clause and Newcastle accept £10m for Gayle) then no reason why we can't try to resign him. We have the flexibility with all parachute money, player sales, squad size.

£10m on Gayle over three years is a good investment, you get what you pay for with him. Bear in mind every chance of J-Rod going as well so that would be £26m in him and Rondon alone. The idea that the club would be risking it's financial future doesn't add up when you look at the income, player assets and wages.

I can't see the first happening, it's basically a swap. Newcastle can sit it out until January or even the end of the season and sign him at a cut price or for free and keep Gayle (who has 2 years left on his contract). I also
 doubt anyone else will trigger the release clause when he has a year left on his contract.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on June 17, 2019, 05:46:44 PM
I can't see the first happening, it's basically a swap. Newcastle can sit it out until January or even the end of the season and sign him at a cut price or for free and keep Gayle (who has 2 years left on his contract). I also
 doubt anyone else will trigger the release clause when he has a year left on his contract.

I don't think Newcastle will have the luxury of sitting it out and waiting 12 months for his contract to run down, £16m is fairly small change for a premier league club and I suspect Rondon has done enough to persuade one of the other teams outside the top six to make a move for him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 17, 2019, 06:17:23 PM
All football clubs have a vast spread of wages and seem to manage the dressing room ok. Another poster above has mentioned that there are 9 other 20+ goals per year strikers, however I'd guess that they are going to cost somewhere in the region of £10 million to buy.

He'll be earning nearly 50% more than any other player though which is a huge figure and it's not as if he's a huge name.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wba_1996 on June 17, 2019, 06:55:00 PM
And if Gayle snaps his cruciate first game of the season you'll all be happy with HRK as our starting striker because we spent all of our wage budget on one player? Thought not.

I despise Jenkins and the way he runs the club, but we're stuck with him, so we might as well do things sensibly under his financial restrictions. We aren't getting another £16m once Rondon's gone, the fact people would happily gamble all of that on Gayle blows my mind.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on June 17, 2019, 07:00:35 PM
And if Gayle snaps his cruciate first game of the season you'll all be happy with HRK as our starting striker because we spent all of our wage budget on one player? Thought not.

I despise Jenkins and the way he runs the club, but we're stuck with him, so we might as well do things sensibly under his financial restrictions. We aren't getting another £16m once Rondon's gone, the fact people would happily gamble all of that on Gayle blows my mind.

Every signing is a gamble but Gayle is proven and the most risk free certainty of a quality goalscorer we can find. I’m not sure why replacing Rondon with Gayle blows your mind. We take our insurance like all clubs against the cost of long term injuries.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wba_1996 on June 17, 2019, 07:08:04 PM
Every signing is a gamble but Gayle is proven and the most risk free certainty of a quality goalscorer we can find. I’m not sure why replacing Rondon with Gayle blows your mind. We take our insurance like all clubs against the cost of long term injuries.

Because that's £16m on one player. We need 8-10 of good/decent quality to compete for automatic promotion. That one player has very little resale value if we don't get promoted.

I'd rather we picked up 3 younger strikers for £5m each, on say £20k per week. Then we have resale value and we aren't relying on one player all season.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 17, 2019, 07:10:59 PM
Rondon was voted Newcastle player of the season last year, I don't think they can afford not to go for him. Simply because if they struggle for goals next year without Rondon, the manager and the board will get a real rough ride.

So if Rondon goes to Newcastle I cannot see that happening without Gayle being part of the deal.

If it doesn't happen then Rondon is still our player and he will play in the championship.  I wonder how much his wages are ???  At least £50k a week. 

So either way we will be paying out big wages .
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 17, 2019, 07:11:21 PM
and 17 clubs didn't

I don't need a maths lesson thanks, I was pointing out that 20+ goal scorers aren't as difficult to find as some are suggesting. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 17, 2019, 07:19:36 PM
I don't need a maths lesson thanks, I was pointing out that 20+ goal scorers aren't as difficult to find as some are suggesting.

In that case I'm sure you could suggest some names to Mr Bilic . After all there are loads about !!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: albion59 on June 17, 2019, 07:40:41 PM
I don't need a maths lesson thanks, I was pointing out that 20+ goal scorers aren't as difficult to find as some are suggesting.
Really? Not being funny but can you name 5 because I'm struggling.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on June 17, 2019, 07:47:33 PM
Because that's £16m on one player. We need 8-10 of good/decent quality to compete for automatic promotion. That one player has very little resale value if we don't get promoted.

I'd rather we picked up 3 younger strikers for £5m each, on say £20k per week. Then we have resale value and we aren't relying on one player all season.

Who are these mysterious young £5m strikers? Didn’t James McClean get sold for £5m? The way the market is now £5m gets you nothing. Anyone young with quality attracts a far higher fee precisely because of their resale value.

Aside from using Rondon sale to get Gayle we have the parachute payment of £41.6m, season ticket and commercial income plus any player sales. So we have a budget of around £50m. What’s our wage bill now? I’d guess £35m tops given the small squad size. If we sell J-Rod that’s another £10m to reinvest. Ditto Dawson or Phillips so we still have some wriggle room.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on June 17, 2019, 08:36:59 PM
I don't need a maths lesson thanks, I was pointing out that 20+ goal scorers aren't as difficult to find as some are suggesting.

Dear Slaven,
                  there are loads of 20+ a season goal scorers out there why not try..................(feel free to fill in the blank spaces
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Mister AT on June 17, 2019, 08:39:49 PM
Mister AT, out of those players you listed, how many are available and what would the transfer fee and wages be?

The point is there are players out there, we just have to hope Bilic and the scouts can find a couple for reasonable prices.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 17, 2019, 09:17:16 PM
I think we need to trust Bilic, firstly I can't see us bringing Gayle in permanently under ANY circumstances, secondly I have my doubts as to whether Bilic would want him.


If a deal can be done AND Slaven is keen then I'm all for it, but if he has other ideas (and I'm sure he does) I will be equally happy with that outcome.


We have finally got an attacking manager with pedigree (something we have not had since the 80s) and I'm happy to go along with his choices in attack.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wba_1996 on June 17, 2019, 09:35:46 PM
Who are these mysterious young £5m strikers? Didn’t James McClean get sold for £5m? The way the market is now £5m gets you nothing. Anyone young with quality attracts a far higher fee precisely because of their resale value.

Aside from using Rondon sale to get Gayle we have the parachute payment of £41.6m, season ticket and commercial income plus any player sales. So we have a budget of around £50m. What’s our wage bill now? I’d guess £35m tops given the small squad size. If we sell J-Rod that’s another £10m to reinvest. Ditto Dawson or Phillips so we still have some wriggle room.

It's not my job to find them, that's why we have a scouting system. McClean is yet another example of the overpriced, PL-experienced dross that we desperately need to be moving away from.

There's a bunch of strikers around Europe of a similar or better calibre than the likes of Pukki or Maupay were before they came to England, many of whom we could easily attract and for far less money than we'd need to spend on Gayle.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wba_1996 on June 17, 2019, 09:42:26 PM
Really? Not being funny but can you name 5 because I'm struggling.

Pukki, Abraham, Maupay, Sharp, Gayle, Rodriguez, McBurnie, Adams, Bowen. That's 9 last season alone, one of which didn't even play as a striker. There's also not many players in that list who I would take as more than a back-up if we were in the Prem. Doesn't take a special player to hit 20 in this league, just a good finisher and a team that creates plenty of chances.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lewisant on June 17, 2019, 09:45:15 PM
Mister AT, out of those players you listed, how many are available and what would the transfer fee and wages be?

I think the point is - they had to be discovered by the clubs that bought them and that's what we need to do. For Example; Pukki. If we were linked with him people would look at his record. 7 in 26 in the SPL? 8 in 37 for Schalke? Sure he did well in the Danish league, but that's the Danish League. But at Norwich it clicked. I think they signed him for 2 million euros.

We were linked with Grabban in the past and most fans turned their noses up but look how many goals he scored. McGoldrick at Sheff Utd, linked with him and we turned our noses up and he bosses us at The Hawthorns and had a great season.

Loans - Tammy Abraham, Dwight Gayle. Let's find another loan?!

Then there are the players that are unattractive and boring but get goals at this level.

Dwight Gayle is amazing at this level and i'd love to see him in a Baggies shirt BUT i completely understand why it wouldn't happen.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lewisant on June 17, 2019, 10:00:14 PM
I think we should be looking at the likes of Jamal Lowe, Ivan Toney, Tyler Walker from Forest who scored 22 for Mansfield last year.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 17, 2019, 10:32:33 PM
If you are thinking about Gayle being in the team, he has to be behind the most forward player.
I can remember a certain Jeff Astle being up front and nodding the ball down to Mr. Bobby Hope and Mr. Tony Brown several times.
Gayle needs to be in one of those positions to be able to capitalise.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 18, 2019, 08:43:59 AM
Pukki, Abraham, Maupay, Sharp, Gayle, Rodriguez, McBurnie, Adams, Bowen. That's 9 last season alone, one of which didn't even play as a striker. There's also not many players in that list who I would take as more than a back-up if we were in the Prem. Doesn't take a special player to hit 20 in this league, just a good finisher and a team that creates plenty of chances.

It's easy to tell us the players who scored over 20 goals after the season has ended, we need to know who WILL score 20 goals next season.

Out of the players you named , Pukki, Maupay, McBurnie, Adams and Bowen had never achieved 20+ goals before last season and I think they probably won't next season. Gayle will.  Now we could take him if not he will go to another championship club because they are lining up to sign him.

The point is , we can afford him and he will deliver the goals. Without him who is going to score the goals !!!

There is still a chance we could lose Jrod, that leaves us with HRK and some unknown strikers if we can manage to get anyone in.  That is not only a formula for staying in the championship its a formula for relegation to League 1 .

A lot of fans on this thread have got this great dream we will get a player for £5 mill who will score 25+ goals.

Get real people its not going to happen.  Go with the guaranteed goals . In fact I think without Gayle we will not get promoted in fact probably not even in the play offs.

If its such a bad idea to sign him why are other clubs lining up to sign him.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: bradleysrocket on June 18, 2019, 08:53:27 AM
Albion as it stands aren’t a side who can go out and buy a striker who has scored 20 plus goals, the trick as with a lot of those players that did it last season is to get them before they have and are affordable. Naming a striker who has got twenty goals isn’t difficult, the difficulty is finding them before they go somewhere else and score twenty and end up out of reach.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on June 18, 2019, 09:18:05 AM
I think the point is - they had to be discovered by the clubs that bought them and that's what we need to do. For Example; Pukki. If we were linked with him people would look at his record. 7 in 26 in the SPL? 8 in 37 for Schalke? Sure he did well in the Danish league, but that's the Danish League. But at Norwich it clicked. I think they signed him for 2 million euros.

But that's all hindsight.  How many clubs signed players with poor scoring records and they went onto also score poorly?  How did HRK turn out? 

We COULD sign a player who then goes and scores 20+ goals, it's not impossible, but the odds are stacked against it.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: NJS on June 18, 2019, 09:30:37 AM
It's easy to tell us the players who scored over 20 goals after the season has ended, we need to know who WILL score 20 goals next season.

Out of the players you named , Pukki, Maupay, McBurnie, Adams and Bowen had never achieved 20+ goals before last season and I think they probably won't next season. Gayle will.  Now we could take him if not he will go to another championship club because they are lining up to sign him.

...


How can we be sure?  Other teams might work out how to contain him; he might get injured?  He's good but to make a disproportionate outlay of our funds on him is to create a single point of failure.
 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 18, 2019, 09:40:45 AM

How can we be sure?  Other teams might work out how to contain him; he might get injured?  He's good but to make a disproportionate outlay of our funds on him is to create a single point of failure.

We can be sure because he has done it time after time in this division. With us last season and in previous seasons with Newcastle and Crystal Palace.  It's all about goals.  We supporters buy our season tickets to see the team win and score goals . We certainly don't pay out our money and sit there and say " We lost but at least the club are sensible and are managing the money " !!!

As for the injury , you could say that about any player in any division in the county !!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 18, 2019, 09:54:47 AM

It's easy to tell us the players who scored over 20 goals after the season has ended, we need to know who WILL score 20 goals next season.

Out of the players you named , Pukki, Maupay, McBurnie, Adams and Bowen had never achieved 20+ goals before last season and I think they probably won't next season. Gayle will.  Now we could take him if not he will go to another championship club because they are lining up to sign him.


wow you can see into the future! Can I have this weeks lottery numbers please? :D

No one can say who will score 20+ goals a season as none of us can see into the future...and if we could we'd still be using hindsight (as we'd be looking at a future event that had happened)

Is Gayle likely to score 20 goals next season ..probably as he has in 2 of the 3 seasons he's played in the Championship, the exception being the 13 he got for Peterborough. However if he is playing at a higher level then it's unlikely he'll get 20 goals next season as he never has got anywhere near it for Palace or Newcastle.

Seriously you can't say that Gayle will score 20+ goals next season as anything can happen between now and then. He might break a leg in pre season, he might get injured at the start of the season and be out for a long period of time.

I'm not against us signing Gayle at all, in fact I'd love us to, my point is that he wasn't the only 20+ goal scorer last season so other players can do it.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 18, 2019, 09:56:34 AM

Gayle has never played for Palace in the Championship, he has played 3 seasons in it one each for Peterborough, Newcastle and us.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 18, 2019, 11:37:34 AM
I like Gayle.  I'd be really happy to see him come back next season... buy only on loan.  (Maybe we can wrap him up in a deal for Rondon?)

He's too expensive.  It's too big a risk for us with only 1 more season (of much lower) parachute payments after this one. 

If we're stuck in the Champs then, we have wasted too much money on an asset with a low resale value and high wages.

If we're promoted then we know Gayle doesn't really work as a PL player. 

I see him in the same mould as Earnshaw.  He's a goal scorer, who really comes alive in the box and has little impact outside of it.  If we're getting in the box a lot he'll score goals.  In the PL, where we won't get in the box so much, he becomes a passenger that we can't afford to carry.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on June 18, 2019, 07:40:10 PM
Pukki, Abraham, Maupay, Sharp, Gayle, Rodriguez, McBurnie, Adams, Bowen. That's 9 last season alone, one of which didn't even play as a striker. There's also not many players in that list who I would take as more than a back-up if we were in the Prem. Doesn't take a special player to hit 20 in this league, just a good finisher and a team that creates plenty of chances.

All of the players you have cited above are as expensive or more expensive than Gayle, save for Pukki:

-Abraham: expensive loanee coveted by PL teams last season
-Maupay: Price tag of £15-20m, quality at this level for years
-Sharp: Sheff Utd player, 33 years old, not for sale
-McBurnie: Swansea academy product not for sale
-Che Adams: attracting a £10-£15m price last LAST Summer, more now.
-Bowen: scored 15 goals in 17/18 - linked with £12m move to Everton LAST summer
-Pukki: journeyman, a year older than Gayle, amazing season in 18/19

This idea that we can replace Gayle like quality and goals on the cheap doesn't stack up. You can sign 100 journey men strikers, 99% of the time you get a HRK and 1% you hit the jackpot and get a Pukki.

The only names mentioned turn out to be just as expensive or more expensive than Gayle anyway.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wba_1996 on June 18, 2019, 09:43:54 PM
All of the players you have cited above are as expensive or more expensive than Gayle, save for Pukki:

-Abraham: expensive loanee coveted by PL teams last season
-Maupay: Price tag of £15-20m, quality at this level for years
-Sharp: Sheff Utd player, 33 years old, not for sale
-McBurnie: Swansea academy product not for sale
-Che Adams: attracting a £10-£15m price last LAST Summer, more now.
-Bowen: scored 15 goals in 17/18 - linked with £12m move to Everton LAST summer
-Pukki: journeyman, a year older than Gayle, amazing season in 18/19

This idea that we can replace Gayle like quality and goals on the cheap doesn't stack up. You can sign 100 journey men strikers, 99% of the time you get a HRK and 1% you hit the jackpot and get a Pukki.

The only names mentioned turn out to be just as expensive or more expensive than Gayle anyway.

You've missed my point. We don't by Maupay or Che Adams this summer. We buy the next Maupay or Che Adams. We take a punt on the next Pukki. We don't put all our eggs in one basket, especially when we can't recoup much if we fail to go up.

This isn't just my opinion on signing Gayle, it's a problem that runs deep in our recruitment. Brentford bring in the likes of Maupay, Benrahma, Jota etc. with a much smaller budget than we have. We spend £4m on Kyle Bartley because he's played in the Championship before. Brentford are £40m richer from those signings, simply because they employ smart footballing people.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 18, 2019, 10:02:41 PM
This entire thread has condescended into a very hypothetical one. NOTHING is guaranteed in football. The only exceptions would be the World Class players who consistently bagged 20 goals a season in The Premiership.

Ross McCormack was signed by how much for Villa because he was going to guarantee them goals? He scored 17+ in 3 consecutive seasons and was widely regarded as the best striker in the league. The rest is history. He is The Championships all time top scorer.

Dwight Gayle meanwhile IS the all time Championship best striker in terms of Goals/Mins. Factor in that statistic how much is that worth? Definitely a straight swap for Rondon and paying him £40k a week minimum. Somebody will pay it, that or someone will take a punt on him in The Premiership.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 18, 2019, 10:27:32 PM
This entire thread has condescended into a very hypothetical one. NOTHING is guaranteed in football. The only exceptions would be the World Class players who consistently bagged 20 goals a season in The Premiership.

Ross McCormack was signed by how much for Villa because he was going to guarantee them goals? He scored 17+ in 3 consecutive seasons and was widely regarded as the best striker in the league. The rest is history. He is The Championships all time top scorer.

Dwight Gayle meanwhile IS the all time Championship best striker in terms of Goals/Mins. Factor in that statistic how much is that worth? Definitely a straight swap for Rondon and paying him £40k a week minimum. Somebody will pay it, that or someone will take a punt on him in The Premiership.


How old is McCormick? He'd be an instant hero with about 30%  ;)  of the fanbase just for his exploits at Villa, chuck in a few goals...


Sign him up!!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on June 19, 2019, 12:27:41 AM
You've missed my point. We don't by Maupay or Che Adams this summer. We buy the next Maupay or Che Adams. We take a punt on the next Pukki. We don't put all our eggs in one basket, especially when we can't recoup much if we fail to go up.

I get it, you want the magic wand, the club to buy the next superstar batch of strikers at a low cost with a huge sell on value. The main issue being that everybody else is looking for the same thing and they don’t grow on trees, even players with limited experience can attract hefty price tags based on potential alone. The market is now mad. What happens when the potential strikers we invest with no track record turn into a Simon Cox and a HRK? Look how much money was wasted on Burke. Quality strikers are rare commodities, when you get one it pays good heed to hold onto them. I’ve been watching us since 1993, in the last 26 years the only strikers worth mentioning have been Super Bob, Andy Hunt, Hughes, Lukuku, Odemwingie, SKP and Gayle. That’s 7 in 26 years! Our aim next season has to be to throw everything at a promotion push, we’re not yet a mid table championship team looking to build. Our resources and ambition is bigger than that. If we lose the parachute money we will have to take more of a longer term view and settle for less but it’s worth keeping at it.

I don’t have a problem with lowering the age of the squad but that shouldn’t be a precursor to trying to resign Gayle as well. Committing £10m and wages on a quality forward isn’t financial kamikaze, in the grand scheme of things. We have resources that few other teams in our league can match.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 19, 2019, 01:12:29 AM
I get it, you want the magic wand, the club to buy the next superstar batch of strikers at a low cost with a huge sell on value. The main issue being that everybody else is looking for the same thing and they don’t grow on trees, even players with limited experience can attract hefty price tags based on potential alone. The market is now mad. What happens when the potential strikers we invest with no track record turn into a Simon Cox and a HRK? Look how much money was wasted on Burke. Quality strikers are rare commodities, when you get one it pays good heed to hold onto them. I’ve been watching us since 1993, in the last 26 years the only strikers worth mentioning have been Super Bob, Andy Hunt, Hughes, Lukuku, Odemwingie, SKP and Gayle. That’s 7 in 26 years! Our aim next season has to be to throw everything at a promotion push, we’re not yet a mid table championship team looking to build. Our resources and ambition is bigger than that. If we lose the parachute money we will have to take more of a longer term view and settle for less but it’s worth keeping at it.

I don’t have a problem with lowering the age of the squad but that shouldn’t be a precursor to trying to resign Gayle as well. Committing £10m and wages on a quality forward isn’t financial kamikaze, in the grand scheme of things. We have resources that few other teams in our league can match.


You come out with some poor shouts but this right up there.


I've been going up since 88.


Don Goodman, Bob Taylor, Andy Hunt, Paul Peschisolido, Lee Hughes, Jason Roberts, Robert Earnshaw, Kanu, Dio Kamara, Kevin Phillips, Ismael Miller, Peter Odemwingie, Romelu Lukaku, Saido Berahino, Salomon Rondon, Jay Rodriguez and Dwight Gayle.


We've consistently had excellent strikers aside from the one season it really mattered under Mowbray (and if James hadn't crocked Ish I think he was headed for the very top and would have kept us up).


Gayle was great, I'd love him back if Slaven Bilic wants him, but it won't be anything more than a loan and I have serious reservations about that with the wage he's on.


{Apologies to the likes of Kevin Bartlett, Scott Dobie, Geoff Horsfield, Marc Fortune, Carlos Vela and Roman Bednar, but never Shane Long}  ;D
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on June 19, 2019, 07:54:06 AM

You come out with some poor shouts but this right up there.


I've been going up since 88.


Don Goodman, Bob Taylor, Andy Hunt, Paul Peschisolido, Lee Hughes, Jason Roberts, Robert Earnshaw, Kanu, Dio Kamara, Kevin Phillips, Ismael Miller, Peter Odemwingie, Romelu Lukaku, Saido Berahino, Salomon Rondon, Jay Rodriguez and Dwight Gayle.


We've consistently had excellent strikers aside from the one season it really mattered under Mowbray (and if James hadn't crocked Ish I think he was headed for the very top and would have kept us up).


Gayle was great, I'd love him back if Slaven Bilic wants him, but it won't be anything more than a loan and I have serious reservations about that with the wage he's on.


{Apologies to the likes of Kevin Bartlett, Scott Dobie, Geoff Horsfield, Marc Fortune, Carlos Vela and Roman Bednar, but never Shane Long}  ;D

You forgot that lethal striker Paul Williams!  ;D
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on June 19, 2019, 09:50:31 AM
Don Goodman, Bob Taylor, Andy Hunt, Paul Peschisolido, Lee Hughes, Jason Roberts, Robert Earnshaw, Kanu, Dio Kamara, Kevin Phillips, Ismael Miller, Peter Odemwingie, Romelu Lukaku, Saido Berahino, Salomon Rondon, Jay Rodriguez and Dwight Gayle.

Goodman, Peschi, Roberts, Earnshaw, Kanu, Kamara, Miller, Berahino, J-Rod.... They are all a long way from what I would call excellent.  At best you could point to a couple of purple patches and that's about it. 

I'm probably being a bit harsh on Kanu as he was a very talented forward, but his goal scoring record wasn't great. 

Like it or not, finding top strikers, even for this level is not easy, even if you're willing to pay the money.  When you're doing it on the cheap it's even tougher.  The odds are stacked against you.  We are more likely to spend money on an HRK quality player than we are on unearthing the next young Lukaku.

So the question is, do we risk spending £Xm on a player who *might* do it at this level.  Or do we spend £Ym on a player who can do it at this level?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TiptonThrostle on June 19, 2019, 09:56:23 AM
Goodman, Peschi, Roberts, Earnshaw, Kanu, Kamara, Miller, Berahino, J-Rod.... They are all a long way from what I would call excellent.  At best you could point to a couple of purple patches and that's about it. 

I'm probably being a bit harsh on Kanu as he was a very talented forward, but his goal scoring record wasn't great. 

Like it or not, finding top strikers, even for this level is not easy, even if you're willing to pay the money.  When you're doing it on the cheap it's even tougher.  The odds are stacked against you.  We are more likely to spend money on an HRK quality player than we are on unearthing the next young Lukaku.

So the question is, do we risk spending £Xm on a player who *might* do it at this level.  Or do we spend £Ym on a player who can do it at this level?

Kanu was a complete class act. Some of his passes used to look misplaced at times because the rest of the team was no where on the same wave length as him.

he was more like a number 10 and not a goal scorer, he only scored double figures for arsenal once.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on June 19, 2019, 10:00:22 AM
Kanu was a complete class act. Some of his passes used to look misplaced at times because the rest of the team was no where on the same wave length as him.

he was more like a number 10 and not a goal scorer, he only scored double figures for arsenal once.

100% agree.  I used to say the same thing to my mate with his passing, it would look like a terrible ball but it was a great pass that wasn't read by his teammates. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on June 19, 2019, 12:04:08 PM
Goodman, Peschi, Roberts, Earnshaw, Kanu, Kamara, Miller, Berahino, J-Rod.... They are all a long way from what I would call excellent.  At best you could point to a couple of purple patches and that's about it.

I'm probably being a bit harsh on Kanu as he was a very talented forward, but his goal scoring record wasn't great. 

Like it or not, finding top strikers, even for this level is not easy, even if you're willing to pay the money.  When you're doing it on the cheap it's even tougher.  The odds are stacked against you.  We are more likely to spend money on an HRK quality player than we are on unearthing the next young Lukaku.

So the question is, do we risk spending £Xm on a player who *might* do it at this level.  Or do we spend £Ym on a player who can do it at this level?

I think the point though was that baggie82 said there had only been 7 'decent' forwards  since 1993, which is being harsh on quite a few 'decent' forwards we have had over that period.

Roberts and Kamara were better all round attackers than Gayle IMO. Roberts in particular was unlucky with injury in the 2002 promotion season otherwise I fancy he would have got 20+ goals. Kamara reached 20 goals in his one season in the Championship.

JROD is underrated and regardless reached the 20+ goal mark last season. His record for his last 3 full seasons in the Championship is 1 per every 2.4 games. Earnshaw's career record in the Championship is 1 for every 2.5 games, Roberts is around 1 in 2.3, Gayle's is around 1 in 1.8.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on June 19, 2019, 01:24:13 PM
The phrases used were "Quality strikers" and "excellent". 

To be fair I would class most of those as decent.  Just not at that level above. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on June 19, 2019, 02:31:01 PM
The phrases used were "Quality strikers" and "excellent". 

To be fair I would class most of those as decent.  Just not at that level above.

Baggie82's comment: 'I’ve been watching us since 1993, in the last 26 years the only strikers worth mentioning have been Super Bob, Andy Hunt, Hughes, Lukuku, Odemwingie, SKP and Gayle. That’s 7 in 26 years!'

Earnshaw's, Roberts', Kamara's and JROD's goal-scoring records at Championship level are all excellent and it seems a bit harsh to suggest they're not worth mentioning.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on June 19, 2019, 03:07:57 PM
You missed this bit

"Quality strikers are rare commodities, when you get one it pays good heed to hold onto them."

I don't think we'd be having much of a discussion if the question was "is it worth paying decent money for a player of the quality of HRK".

"Earnshaw's, Roberts', Kamara's and JROD's goal-scoring records at Championship level are all excellent and it seems a bit harsh to suggest they're not worth mentioning."

None of that 4 are in the same group that we're talking about though.  We also had them in the Prem and their goal scoring records weren't great at all.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on June 19, 2019, 03:28:20 PM
You come out with some poor shouts but this right up there.

Coming from you I take criticism as a badge of honour.

The wider point is a player of calibre of Gayle at this level is rare and worth the money. The weekend press reports that Bilic wants to sign him is encouraging and Newcastle would clearly prefer some sort of swap then having to fund Rondon's full buy out clause, so its not hopeless yet.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 20, 2019, 09:48:55 PM
I would love Gayle back next year and think if our manager wants him it will happen.
If he doesn't then so be it. what we do need is a few options because at the moment we have very little.
its a lot easier when your in the prem to convince players to come on good wages and put in there contracts that they have a 50% paycut because most of them jump ship anyway, but convincing them to come on that reduced wage to start with is difficult.
We know our owner isn't going to help with finances in the foreseeable future, so we have to be self financing
I think some money must have been promised to Bilic but most will come from selling players and good recruiting. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on June 20, 2019, 09:52:46 PM
Gayle and Shelvey for Rondon would be ok by me
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: miggybaggy on June 21, 2019, 08:26:53 AM
Acquiring the services of Gayle again is a no brainer for me. Bilic has a very poor squad to deal with at the moment, the worst I've known for a long time. Doubt very much we'd have got remotely close to the play-offs without Gayle and Barnes.

I hope the charisma and contacts of Bilic can attract more loan players of the same calibre, otherwise its going to be tough.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 21, 2019, 08:36:36 AM
Gayle and Shelvey for Rondon would be ok by me

No thanks. I wouldn't want a proven racist at the club.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 21, 2019, 08:46:12 AM
Acquiring the services of Gayle again is a no brainer for me. Bilic has a very poor squad to deal with at the moment, the worst I've known for a long time. Doubt very much we'd have got remotely close to the play-offs without Gayle and Barnes.

I hope the charisma and contacts of Bilic can attract more loan players of the same calibre, otherwise its going to be tough.



amazing to consider only two years ago some were saying the best squad. i agree this squad is nothing compared to our last promotion season
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: seteefeet on June 21, 2019, 09:00:31 AM


amazing to consider only two years ago some were saying the best squad. i agree this squad is nothing compared to our last promotion season
Wasn't two years ago, Moore got beaten to death with the "he has the best squad in the league" stick last season, at least in certain corners anyway.
Personally, I agree with you and think we have some greatly overrated players and hope that Bilic sees the same.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on June 21, 2019, 09:07:04 AM
Gayle and Shelvey for Rondon would be ok by me


55K per week and 70K per week.

Not a chance.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lewisant on June 21, 2019, 09:27:14 AM
One of my pet hates in football is "we wouldn't have got anywhere without ____"

Villa - Abraham, McGinn, Mings
Derby - Lawrence, Wilson, Mount
Liverpool - Salah, Mane, Firminho,
Man C - Aguero, Sterling

Most teams that do well have 2 or 3 stand out performers. The loan market is there and very much used in the Championship while successful Premier League teams have 2 or 3 also.

We wouldn't have been near the play offs without Barnes and Gayle but we did have them and finished 4th.

It's up to scouts and management now to replace those performance levels and goals with new individuals that we can afford. It won't be easy, it also won't be impossible.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Mister AT on June 21, 2019, 09:31:21 AM
One of my pet hates in football is "we wouldn't have got anywhere without ____"

Villa - Abraham, McGinn, Mings
Derby - Lawrence, Wilson, Mount
Liverpool - Salah, Mane, Firminho,
Man C - Aguero, Sterling

Most teams that do well have 2 or 3 stand out performers. The loan market is there and very much used in the Championship while successful Premier League teams have 2 or 3 also.

We wouldn't have been near the play offs without Barnes and Gayle but we did have them and finished 4th.

It's up to scouts and management now to replace those performance levels and goals with new individuals that we can afford. It won't be easy, it also won't be impossible.

Spot on mate! Mine too.

It's like saying Barcelona wouldn't have been any good without Neymar Suarez and Messi.

As you say, every time has the stand out couple of players.

We had Barnes and Gayle who won us a lot of points last year. Now its time to find another 2/3 players that are capable of doing the same thing this year.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on June 21, 2019, 12:04:09 PM
No thanks. I wouldn't want a proven racist at the club.

That had passed me by,
Abusing wolves players is acceptable behaviour though isn't it  :o
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on June 22, 2019, 09:19:04 AM
Fulham after Gayle according to BBC sport gossip
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Yardley on June 22, 2019, 09:32:43 AM
Really torn on this. Would love us to do a straight swap with Rondon rather than see him join the likes of Stoke or Fulham. But also think 16.5 million should the club reinvest it that’s is, could buy 2 very good young strikers from over seas on half his wage.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on June 22, 2019, 10:58:59 AM
Fulham after Gayle according to BBC sport gossip

I would think that if there is a serious offer from a Prem Club then that's where he would be heading.
I would hate for him to join another Championship Club as they would be that much stronger for having him in their squad
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: section5 on June 22, 2019, 04:42:01 PM
Really torn on this. Would love us to do a straight swap with Rondon rather than see him join the likes of Stoke or Fulham. But also think 16.5 million should the club reinvest it that’s is, could buy 2 very good young strikers from over seas on half his wage.
Would be worth more in the long term if he fires us up next season
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: richjonawba on June 23, 2019, 04:04:53 PM
No thanks. I wouldn't want a proven racist at the club.

Interesting. When was this objective racism testing carried out?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on June 23, 2019, 09:26:27 PM
I was ignorant to this until I suggested Shelvey in a rondon swap deal, having subsequently read a bit about it, it does seem like there is a problem there he was heavily sanctioned by the FA (100k)but denies racism still!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggiemart on June 24, 2019, 01:22:50 PM
With Benetiz leaving Newcastle I think that has finished any chance Gayle coming here.  The only way we could have got him back was to be part of a Rondon deal.  A new manager will have new ideas about the players they want besides by the time they appoint a new manager the transfer window will be almost closed.

We could be in a situation where he stays with us for the last year of his contract and some how we have to pay his wages. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 24, 2019, 04:55:30 PM
Don't think there was any chance of him coming back, other clubs are interested and one of those will probably be looking at a permanent deal , best we could hope for would be a loan but he might not want a loan deal, Fulham would possibly appeal to him more than any other.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BigFrank20 on June 24, 2019, 07:19:15 PM
Looks like his car has been nicked from Chingford too
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on June 24, 2019, 07:55:37 PM
Looks like his car has been nicked from Chingford too

Can Barry and Livermore account for their whereabouts I wonder?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: elkiellis on July 28, 2019, 01:27:52 PM
Will be really disappointed if Stoke get him on a loan,i can understand if Stoke or Fulham buy him outright,but if its a loan we really should be in for him £2.5m in wages is not much to get you out the championship and this season could be our last chance without parachute payments,im reasonably happy with the signings,but where are the goals going to come from Gayle absolutely guarantees goals at this level,im not knocking the Sawyers or Furlong signings,but would have rather sent this money on Gayle for one more season.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 28, 2019, 01:34:51 PM
I also think he should be our priority as I believe he would thrive with our current midfield. Look how well he did, last season being played out of position. He's such an intelligent, hardworking, skillfull and ultra clinical striker, you know he will guarantee you goals. With our team I think he would easily smash 30+ this season.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on July 28, 2019, 01:45:19 PM
I can see Newcastle pushing to sell him at his age, they know if they keep him until next season his value will fall further.
That said unless he drops his wage demands (which is apparently putting other teams off) I can't see him coming back here.
I'm sure we are smart enough to offer a decent wage and a bonus if we get promoted to Gayle if he'd accept.
Maybe he's after a longer deal and not a loan, who know's?
I'd love to see him back here next season, and the rest of the league would sit up and take notice. Sadly I can't see it happening unless Jenkins can pull a rabbit out of a hat
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on July 28, 2019, 04:00:02 PM
Gayle's asking price has reportedly been dropped from 20m to 15m after several clubs felt his wages are too high. Maybe time for one last swing at a Dowling special (8-10m offer with add ons/5m upon promotion) and a similar promise to Dwight (30k starting salary and rise upon promotion/goal bonus)? It'll be a financial gamble either way with his value set to diminish over the coming years, but if his goals get us up, he's worth his weight in gold. Worth one last punt imo.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lindenbaggie on July 28, 2019, 10:03:21 PM
Would be great to see him back, but as a professional,  he will be looking for his last big deal. The way things are now, he could end up in China. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: hardtobeat on July 28, 2019, 10:11:28 PM
Looking like Stoke are in the pound seats for him  >:(
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 28, 2019, 10:18:08 PM
Looking like Stoke are in the pound seats for him  >:(
not getting Gayle is something I can stomach in the grand scheme. I don’t think I can take him going there though.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: WBArgo on July 28, 2019, 10:25:35 PM
Looking like Stoke are in the pound seats for him  >:(

They could sign Messi and Ronaldo up front, with their current manager they won't be scoring many at all.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Gilsey 56 on July 28, 2019, 10:32:27 PM
Yes we are all looking around for that last piece of the jigsaw and there it is staring us in the face, its a no brainer for me. Please!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: SmethDan on July 28, 2019, 10:41:24 PM
Don't torture yourselves over it in the short term lads.

Just ensure you've got a plentiful supply of baby oil and tissues 'on hand' for August 8th.

If he arrives for the second cumming they could prove wise investments.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wba_1996 on July 28, 2019, 11:23:30 PM
I honestly don't understand our fans sometimes. The club came out at the start of the window and said we can't afford Gayle's wages, yet there's been constant uproar that we aren't signing him. I'm guessing these same people all buy whatever they want regardless of whether they can afford it or not? Thought not.

Gayle is 29 and his pace is one of his biggest attributes. Newcastle want £15m. Even if we could afford his wages I'd swerve it. A straight 1 year loan is the only way this makes any sense, and there's zero chance of that happening.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on July 29, 2019, 01:23:30 AM
Gayle has 2 years left on his £55k contract until someone matches that he is going nowhere regardless of the fee. Those wages are only going to be paid by either a Premier League club or possibly a Chinese club. In Championship Fulham might but don't seem interested and Stoke might have some legacy contracts at the level but even allowing for the Coates backing aren't going to take on a new one going into the 2nd year of the parachute payments.

If there are no takers in the next week there might be a deal to be done on loan but that will depend on who will pay the largest proportion of his wages. I doubt we paid more than 50% of them last year and while I think Fulham might be prepared to pay more few if any Championship clubs will go higher.

On balance I hope we find a permanent alternative. 
 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Dan on July 29, 2019, 01:24:58 AM
There's very little incentive for Newcastle to loan him out, his contract runs out in 2021 so by next summer he'll be 29 with 12 months left on his deal - his value would plumett, particularly on those wages.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cardiff, Huddersfield or Stoke do eventually get him for about 12m. Or maybe someone like Sheffield United will.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on July 29, 2019, 06:44:49 AM
There's very little incentive for Newcastle to loan him out, his contract runs out in 2021 so by next summer he'll be 29 with 12 months left on his deal - his value would plumett, particularly on those wages.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cardiff, Huddersfield or Stoke do eventually get him for about 12m. Or maybe someone like Sheffield United will.

His wages present as much of a problem to those teams as they do to us.
Looking at his current deal at Newcastle he is costing them £4.5m a year i.e. wages £2.5m plus depreciation on a £10m fee over a 5 year contract (the fee has long been paid to Palace but that is not how the cost of transfers is accounted for).

Assuming he is sold for £12m and to make that happen Newcastle buy out his contract for £3m and his new club give him a £1m a year contract for 3 years. He is costing his new club £5m a year and that might be as a Championship club. That club also has the same issue with that Newcastle have with him now is that strikers heading into their 30's are very difficult to sell because clubs are starting to wise up to the fact that they often decline quite early in their careers.

Newcastle will loan him out if Bruce is not going to use him because that is better than getting nothing and another high scoring season in the Championship will enhance his limited value whereas a season as a largely none playing squad player would probably reduce to nearly zero.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BoingFlyer on July 29, 2019, 09:05:38 AM
If this is going to happen it will be a last minute loan deal. I assume Newcastle are holding out for a recently relegated side to come in and take him on a seasons long loan. If that does not happen then we might be able to negotiate with them if we have not already signed someone else.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 01, 2019, 10:49:52 PM
Harper has been given Gayle's no. 16 shirt.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: KN22 on August 01, 2019, 10:52:56 PM
Harper has been given Gayle's no. 16 shirt.

I noticed that. Doesn’t mean a thing really though. Just give him another number 8)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on August 02, 2019, 12:26:57 PM
If this is going to happen it will be a last minute loan deal. I assume Newcastle are holding out for a recently relegated side to come in and take him on a seasons long loan. If that does not happen then we might be able to negotiate with them if we have not already signed someone else.

Correct but I think Newcastle would rather send him on loan to the Championship than to a competitor in the PL. None of the PL clubs look likely to buy him, Sheff Utd and Villa have already spent loads on forwards. If Newcastle are sending him out on loan again then it probably comes down to who out of us, Stoke and Fulham put more money on the table.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on August 02, 2019, 12:32:57 PM
Cardiff??
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: kc56wba on August 03, 2019, 09:09:01 AM
Hearing that he is going to Bristol City on loan.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: frazzle on August 03, 2019, 09:10:00 AM
Hearing that he is going to Bristol City on loan.

Not immediately obvious to me how they would afford him. Do they have a rich owner?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 03, 2019, 09:11:08 AM
Yes British billionaire businessman.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggies_24 on August 03, 2019, 09:29:36 AM
Hearing that he is going to Bristol City on loan.


If that’s the case immensely disappointed we haven’t offered a loan deal, we have the money from the outgoings, I think with the way the squad is looking at the moment Gayle is the difference between making the playoffs or not.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mulliganstired on August 03, 2019, 10:29:23 AM
Hearing that he is going to Bristol City on loan.
Don't understand how they could afford him and we can't, unless they are betting the house on going up?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: johnny Cash on August 03, 2019, 10:35:42 AM
Don't understand how they could afford him and we can't, unless they are betting the house on going up?

Just sold a centre back for 22m
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on August 03, 2019, 10:38:39 AM
If Gayle is going on loan to champ and we don’t match whatever Bristol can offer than we’re mad. Loan fee would presumably be £1m plus his wages for a year of around £2.5m. We’ve just budgeted £1.5m on bollards outside the ground and the chairman’s loan to club alone would cover it. If someone spend big on him fair enough but losing out to a loan deal to a mid table champ club would be a massive kick in the teeth.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Marcus on August 03, 2019, 10:42:43 AM
Maybe we're just taking a different approach and hoping to get someone in who will be our own player and with some potential re-sale value ?
I appreciate this is very much a glass half full perspective and not necessarily one I adhere to personally. However you can see the logic if we believe the target we have identified is that good.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gazberg on August 03, 2019, 10:57:32 AM
If, as it sounds, the geordies have done a U-turn and will allow him out on loan again then I'd like us to be in for him. If we don't go up this season then we will have to de-build anyway.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: garry on August 03, 2019, 11:27:00 AM
If Gayle is going on loan to champ and we don’t match whatever Bristol can offer than we’re mad. Loan fee would presumably be £1m plus his wages for a year of around £2.5m. We’ve just budgeted £1.5m on bollards outside the ground and the chairman’s loan to club alone would cover it. If someone spend big on him fair enough but losing out to a loan deal to a mid table champ club would be a massive kick in the teeth.
Gayle and JRod scored 45 goals between them last season.
We don't need to replace them as we have Kanu and Burke this season.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 03, 2019, 11:35:53 AM
Gayle and JRod scored 45 goals between them last season.
We don't need to replace them as we have Kanu and Burke this season.

We are looking to sign at least 1 striker before the window shuts, so why the sarcasm/negativity?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: garry on August 03, 2019, 11:41:19 AM
We are looking to sign at least 1 striker before the window shuts, so why the sarcasm/negativity?
Because it's jam tomorrow.
I'll be a bit more positive when I see a striker signed.
At the moment I can't see where the 90 goals we need are coming from.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on August 03, 2019, 11:53:20 AM
The 'it's ok, we are probably going to sign someone better' argument can be used right up until the moment when we don't.  I'm sure we'll sign someone, will they replace the goals we've lost this season though?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on August 03, 2019, 12:04:04 PM
We are looking to sign at least 1 striker before the window shuts, so why the sarcasm/negativity?

I think he’s pushing back against this idea that not trying to sign Gayle on loan is somehow a good idea. He made me laugh anyway. Following on in similar sarcastic terms this 1 striker is going to have to be a hell of player to score 45 goals. In all seriousness I’m praying that we’re trying to sign that Basel goalscorer on a permanent and Gayle on loan, those two with Zohore, a decent winger and a defender on loan would give us a real chance.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: divinewind on August 03, 2019, 12:11:34 PM
Maybe Bilic is hoping to sign someone else. Maybe Gayle isn't Bilics style of player. Bilic spoke of long term and short term objectives, Gayle is thirtyish and not proven premier league class. Maybe Bilic is hoping to sign someone who can take us up and keep us there. We Maybe i am a little bit naieve.
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Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 03, 2019, 12:13:22 PM
Maybe Bilic is hoping to sign someone else. Maybe Gayle isn't Bilics style of player. Bilic spoke of long term and short term objectives, Gayle is thirtyish and not proven premier league class. Maybe Bilic is hoping to sign someone who can take us up and keep us there. We Maybe i am a little bit naieve.
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I though he was only 28
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on August 03, 2019, 12:22:59 PM
Maybe Gayle isn't Bilics style of player.

Let’s be serious. 24 championship managers will be forming an orderly queue to get him in given the chance.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tommcneill on August 03, 2019, 12:23:08 PM
Hearing that he is going to Bristol City on loan.

Gutting if true
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheBrom on August 03, 2019, 12:25:48 PM
Maybe Bilic is hoping to sign someone else. Maybe Gayle isn't Bilics style of player. Bilic spoke of long term and short term objectives, Gayle is thirtyish and not proven premier league class. Maybe Bilic is hoping to sign someone who can take us up and keep us there. We Maybe i am a little bit naieve.
V

I think this may be it. The Zohore signing suggests we're looking at a different type of striker. As mentioned in the transfer thread though the goals are going to have to come from somewhere, and I don't have much faith in relying on our current wingers, bar Phillips.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionBest on August 03, 2019, 12:43:17 PM
I think this may be it. The Zohore signing suggests we're looking at a different type of striker. As mentioned in the transfer thread though the goals are going to have to come from somewhere, and I don't have much faith in relying on our current wingers, bar Phillips.

It’s ok saying the goals are going to come from elsewhere but I just don’t see where with the current squad ! Any clues anyone ? Or just blind faith ?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheBrom on August 03, 2019, 12:57:24 PM
It’s ok saying the goals are going to come from elsewhere but I just don’t see where with the current squad ! Any clues anyone ? Or just blind faith ?

Yes that's what I was saying..
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 03, 2019, 12:58:10 PM
It’s ok saying the goals are going to come from elsewhere but I just don’t see where with the current squad ! Any clues anyone ? Or just blind faith ?

surely the "elsewhere" includes the players we are trying to bring in though?
 Yes the current squad looks light on goals and that's something that Bilic has obviously noticed hence why we are looking at another winger and at least 1 more striker.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggie82 on August 03, 2019, 01:19:11 PM
The Zohore signing suggests we're looking at a different type of striker.

Or it suggests it’s easier to sign average players than top class one’s.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wba_1996 on August 03, 2019, 02:11:57 PM
We've still got people crying about Gayle? The club came out and said we weren't signing him the day the transfer window opened. I doubt we're even in contact with Newcastle about him.

We've got a week to sign a quality striker, the Ajeti deal suggests the money is there. I'll save judgement on whether there's enough goals in the squad until Thursday.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albion79 on August 03, 2019, 02:42:49 PM
It depends what you believe with Gayle, i have heard three rumours in the last 24 hours alone -

1) He is going to Bristol City on loan - its a done deal

2) He is going to Leeds on loan - its a done deal

3) He is coming back to us on loan and we made the announcement about not being able to afford him to call Newcastles bluff a bit as we didnt want to buy him permanent and we were hoping this situation would arise where nobody has brought him and so they have to loan him out, with us supposedly being his preferred destination.

The moral of the above - nobody really knows whats happening!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BalisPen on August 03, 2019, 03:55:27 PM
It depends what you believe with Gayle, i have heard three rumours in the last 24 hours alone -

1) He is going to Bristol City on loan - its a done deal

2) He is going to Leeds on loan - its a done deal

3) He is coming back to us on loan and we made the announcement about not being able to afford him to call Newcastles bluff a bit as we didnt want to buy him permanent and we were hoping this situation would arise where nobody has brought him and so they have to loan him out, with us supposedly being his preferred destination.

The moral of the above - nobody really knows whats happening!

I know what is happening with Gayle.

My wife, and therefore I have to, watch corrie and she's done a legger to Thailand without telling anyone.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albertbaggie on August 03, 2019, 08:50:48 PM
It depends what you believe with Gayle, i have heard three rumours in the last 24 hours alone -

1) He is going to Bristol City on loan - its a done deal

2) He is going to Leeds on loan - its a done deal

3) He is coming back to us on loan and we made the announcement about not being able to afford him to call Newcastles bluff a bit as we didnt want to buy him permanent and we were hoping this situation would arise where nobody has brought him and so they have to loan him out, with us supposedly being his preferred destination.

The moral of the above - nobody really knows whats happening!

Or according to the Newcastle Chronicle Live sports reporter this afternoon ...

Mark Douglas @MsiDouglas 3h
Bruce on Dwight Gayle: "I want to keep him. As I keep saying, you’re only as good as your strikers. In that areas we need a threat and Gayle has always been part of my plans."


Certainly think this one will run until the last minute, whatever happens.
I just hope, if there's no way of us getting him, he stays as part of Bruce's plans.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Mister AT on August 03, 2019, 09:08:04 PM
He will end up going out on loan on deadline day.

Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 03, 2019, 10:29:32 PM
Yup.. Forget.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on August 03, 2019, 11:11:47 PM
Or according to the Newcastle Chronicle Live sports reporter this afternoon ...

Mark Douglas @MsiDouglas 3h
Bruce on Dwight Gayle: "I want to keep him. As I keep saying, you’re only as good as your strikers. In that areas we need a threat and Gayle has always been part of my plans."


Certainly think this one will run until the last minute, whatever happens.
I just hope, if there's no way of us getting him, he stays as part of Bruce's plans.

Okay how this works is that what Bruce wants is neither here nor there. If there is a big money bid for Gayle on the table they will sell him in the blink of an eye if he is still there when the window closes that means there was no bid of sufficient value to tempt the Newcastle board to sell. My bet is there won't be.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Gilsey 56 on August 04, 2019, 11:06:36 PM
My opinion, for what its worth, is that Bruce will not let Gayle go out on loan and unless a big fee comes in he won't, no dare not let him go.
For me the season is in the balance on the next few days, get a striker and we could mount a really good challenge, if not we won't.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on August 05, 2019, 12:33:25 AM
My opinion, for what its worth, is that Bruce will not let Gayle go out on loan and unless a big fee comes in he won't, no dare not let him go.
For me the season is in the balance on the next few days, get a striker and we could mount a really good challenge, if not we won't.
Getting a goalscoring striker is an absolute priority. If it's not going to be Gayle, it has to be a similar player who anticipates goal chances and is clinical enough to convert a fair number of them.
Zohore may come good, but even if he does, I can't see him scoring anywhere near the number of times Gayle did. As for Burke, he's had enough chances to prove himself. Another reason why we must hold onto Matty Phillips, as he will definitely add to his goal tally from yesterday.
Looks like Brentford's Maupay may be on his way to Brighton, which is a real blow, as he is exactly the sort of striker we need. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 05, 2019, 01:18:04 AM
Getting a goalscoring striker is an absolute priority. If it's not going to be Gayle, it has to be a similar player who anticipates goal chances and is clinical enough to convert a fair number of them.
Zohore may come good, but even if he does, I can't see him scoring anywhere near the number of times Gayle did. As for Burke, he's had enough chances to prove himself. Another reason why we must hold onto Matty Phillips, as he will definitely add to his goal tally from yesterday.
Looks like Brentford's Maupay may be on his way to Brighton, which is a real blow, as he is exactly the sort of striker we need.

He's out of our price range anyway unless Brentford have a rethink on their valuation. As long as he doesn't go to a rival no biggie.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: NathWBA on August 05, 2019, 11:13:26 AM
This news coming out today about Gayle possibly coming back is great, but I’m not sure how I’d feel if re-signing him on loan would prevent us possibly signing a goal scorer permanently
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: 65baggie on August 05, 2019, 11:18:31 AM
If we’re in the mix then great. He has a calf injury but I wonder how bad it really is or does he just want out
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: bradleysrocket on August 05, 2019, 11:19:04 AM
This news coming out today about Gayle possibly coming back is great, but I’m not sure how I’d feel if re-signing him on loan would prevent us possibly signing a goal scorer permanently
What news have I missed?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tambag on August 05, 2019, 11:20:02 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/08/05/west-brom-among-championship-clubs-chasing-dwight-gayle-newcastle/
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: phbaggies on August 05, 2019, 11:20:21 AM
This news coming out today about Gayle possibly coming back is great, but I’m not sure how I’d feel if re-signing him on loan would prevent us possibly signing a goal scorer permanently
Are you mad? Id take him on loan again, effectively he has then signed for us 'permanently' for 2 years costing us just a loan fee each time and wages. I would LOVE him to come back, imagine the chances Sawyers, Gibbs, Phillips, etc will put on for him this season, he is the one ingredient for me......
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: jimmyj on August 05, 2019, 11:22:11 AM
What news have I missed?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/08/05/west-brom-among-championship-clubs-chasing-dwight-gayle-newcastle/
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: phbaggies on August 05, 2019, 11:22:26 AM
Get Andy Carroll in as well and go proper little and large combo...... 8)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: 65baggie on August 05, 2019, 11:24:16 AM
If he secures promotion then it’s a no brainier. Guaranteed 20+ goals. £10m if promoted which is nothing in the greed league.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 05, 2019, 11:58:16 AM
West Brom among Championship clubs chasing Dwight Gayle but Newcastle keen for striker to stay

Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/08/05/west-brom-among-championship-clubs-chasing-dwight-gayle-newcastle/
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 05, 2019, 12:05:25 PM
I just could feel that we were going to have one last punt at him, he was too well matched/loved at the club to just rule it out and never revisit it again. Gayle in this team would be a goal machine imo, plenty of through balls and chances are going to be made and we need someone who can put them away. Dwight is the man for that.

Really really hope we can get him in for a loan with an arrangement to buy should we get promoted.  This really would be the cherry on top for this summer window. Not holding my breath as I still think it's a long way off happening, but if Albion will this off they're going to have a very happy fanbase.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Oldbury24 on August 05, 2019, 12:14:34 PM
If he secures promotion then it’s a no brainier. Guaranteed 20+ goals. £10m if promoted which is nothing in the greed league.

+1 and lots of zeroes

Too old to buy in the current recruitment model, picks up injuries and we can't really afford his wages BUT if there is any way to bring him here (within reason) we have to do it.  A down payment with rest to follow on promotion?  Minimum 20 goals if he stays fit! and for him, the potential for legend status if we go up and he scores a bucketful.   Some players don't give a S***e about that kind of stuff, but something tells me he does.  Only seen three natural goalscorers in my time as an Albion fan; SKP, Odenwingie and this man.   They make so much difference.

Just waiting for the local update telling us it aint going to happen :(
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: baggies_24 on August 05, 2019, 12:54:26 PM
There’s a feel good factor around the club after Saturdays result getting Gayle back would send that into overdrive, if there’s anyway we can get him back that would be superb best striker in the league. I can’t see Newcastle willing to loan him out and would be willing to pay part of his wages (which would have to happen if it was a loan deal) and if it was a permanent deal I’d imagine Gayle would have to be willing to take a huge paycut.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on August 05, 2019, 01:02:07 PM
https://readwestbrom.com/2019/08/05/west-brom-linked-again-with-gayle-albion-must-try-and-get-him-back/

Just hope this story has legs
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 05, 2019, 01:34:24 PM
If we sign him and get another couple of quality players in CB and LW, I really think we will win this league comfortably.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: SmethDan on August 05, 2019, 02:19:17 PM
Don't-get-your-hopes-up-lads-as-it'll-only-hurt-more.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: sandbachbaggie on August 05, 2019, 04:02:31 PM
Momentum is huge in football. If this comes off we will be in one hell of a good place.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on August 05, 2019, 04:06:08 PM
Just to point out his twitter and instagram profile pics still have him in an Albion shirt...
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 05, 2019, 04:24:53 PM
Just to point out his twitter and instagram profile pics still have him in an Albion shirt...

just to put water on your bonfire, he rarely updates twitter. I already checked his social media for the same reasons as you..!!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: smosher34 on August 05, 2019, 04:44:03 PM
Love to see him in an Albion shirt again. Can't have the last time he did sitting on the steps after getting sent of at the Vile. Be a massive lift to get him back and for a manager not to play him on the wing.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: phbaggies on August 05, 2019, 04:52:34 PM
Leeds local journo saying there is no chance Gayle is signing for them, maybe just maybe there is a chance......
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: jonny on August 05, 2019, 04:55:13 PM
Reminds me of the possible return of Lukaku, we were so confident and he ended up at Everton.

Have dreams of him coming back, but nightmares of him holding up a Stoke shirt.

Him in this team, with out forward thinking ball playing midfield would be perfect.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: geoff on August 05, 2019, 04:58:11 PM
Don't-get-your-hopes-up-lads-as-it'll-only-hurt-more.

just like we have in seasons gone, dont see why this season be any differance. :'( :'(
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mulliganstired on August 05, 2019, 04:58:33 PM
There’s a feel good factor around the club after Saturdays result getting Gayle back would send that into overdrive, if there’s anyway we can get him back that would be superb best striker in the league. I can’t see Newcastle willing to loan him out and would be willing to pay part of his wages (which would have to happen if it was a loan deal) and if it was a permanent deal I’d imagine Gayle would have to be willing to take a huge paycut.
Pay cut now yes, wages to double if we go up
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on August 05, 2019, 05:32:45 PM
Even in the article that is getting everyone all excited about there is a key line.

At the same time Newcastle’s new manager Steve Bruce has continued to make it clear that he wants Gayle to stay at the Premier League club this season.

Yes a suitable bid for a permanent deal would change their minds but there is zero chance of that happening. The only way he will return or go to any other Championship club is on loan and that does not look likely.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 05, 2019, 05:42:34 PM
Logic and common sense dictates your assertions are most valid Standaman.

But let us retain a forlorn hope, for now, as it kind of helps  :)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: charlebaggie on August 05, 2019, 06:10:33 PM
We are due a windfall from the Roofe deal to Anderlecht. A 40% cut of any deal .so with this coming in why not invest it towards Gayles wages for a season ?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: The Joust on August 05, 2019, 06:12:24 PM
We are due a windfall from the Roofe deal to Anderlecht. A 40% cut of any deal .so with this coming in why not invest it towards Gayles wages for a season ?

That is a great point sir!
Could be £2.8m then if the fee reported is accurate
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2019, 06:16:17 PM
That is a great point sir!
Could be £2.8m then if the fee reported is accurate


We get 40% of Oxfords 15% I believe.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: The Joust on August 05, 2019, 06:17:05 PM

We get 40% of Oxfords 15% I believe.

Ah, just the £400k then ... Anticlimax
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: charlebaggie on August 05, 2019, 06:19:00 PM
That is a great point sir!
Could be £2.8m then if the fee reported is accurate
     some folk are saying our cut is £420,000.Even if that's the case over 12months that's still £ 35,000a,week towards his salary a windfall we were not expecting
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on August 05, 2019, 06:20:13 PM
     some folk are saying our cut is £420,000.Even if that's the case over 12months that's still £ 35,000a,week towards his salary a windfall we were not expecting

I should get a new calculator matey
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 05, 2019, 06:22:22 PM
I should get a new calculator matey

My calculator makes it 12 weeks  ;D
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: charlebaggie on August 05, 2019, 06:28:59 PM
My calculator makes it 12 weeks  ;D
   meant 12 weeks Getting a bit excited
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: hunsletbaggie on August 05, 2019, 06:30:07 PM
All the Leeds fans at work today saying Gayle signing for them on a season long loan deal done and dusted apparently.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 05, 2019, 06:31:02 PM
   meant 12 weeks Getting a bit excited

With a prospect of Gayle coming back very understandable and who wouldn't be  :)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on August 05, 2019, 06:43:52 PM
All the Leeds fans at work today saying Gayle signing for them on a season long loan deal done and dusted apparently.

If that's the case then I'm looking forward to them going bust.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gazberg on August 05, 2019, 06:48:31 PM
Are Leeds in big doo doo financially then? I don't follow/care for them.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on August 05, 2019, 06:58:56 PM
Only in as much as I was assured that Gayle's wages were absolutely mental for this division.  Not only would clubs be unable to afford them but it would also ruin any kind of dressing room spirit.

We can but hope.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on August 05, 2019, 07:14:38 PM
Nobody in the Championship is paying ALL of Gayle's wages if he is on loan and we didn't last season There is a world of difference between a perm and a loan deal.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gazberg on August 05, 2019, 07:16:42 PM
Yes he wants a min of 70k to go on a permanent but his current deal is 55k.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on August 05, 2019, 07:55:10 PM
From Steve Madley on twitter

In short, #WBA can't afford a permanent deal due to inflated fee & big wages over 3/4 years, but might be able to finance a loan with options. Gayle wants a permanent move somewhere so he knows where his future lies, but if he can't get that by Thurs, anything is possible.

There you go.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lewisant on August 05, 2019, 08:18:54 PM
From Steve Madley on twitter

In short, #WBA can't afford a permanent deal due to inflated fee & big wages over 3/4 years, but might be able to finance a loan with options. Gayle wants a permanent move somewhere so he knows where his future lies, but if he can't get that by Thurs, anything is possible.

There you go.

Any of us could have offered that opinion. Does Steve Madley suddenly have good connections with the club now he's reporting on us again and working on The Athletic that everybody's going crazy for!

I mean does he?! Genuine question.

Brentford now have some clout to rival any striker bids we may be in with.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: WBArgo on August 05, 2019, 08:21:45 PM
Any of us could have offered that opinion. Does Steve Madley suddenly have good connections with the club now he's reporting on us again and working on The Athletic that everybody's going crazy for!

I mean does he?! Genuine question.

Brentford now have some clout to rival any striker bids we may be in with.

Very much doubt they would go after Gayle though, he doesn't fit their transfer model. Usually they go after foreign league players or kids in this country, i.e. players with resale value which Gayle lacks.

The main two are Stoke and Leeds. I doubt he'd want to go to Stoke due to their poor team - whereas Leeds have just got £7 million to spend from selling Roofe.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 05, 2019, 08:29:21 PM
Very much doubt they would go after Gayle though, he doesn't fit their transfer model. Usually they go after foreign league players or kids in this country, i.e. players with resale value which Gayle lacks.

The main two are Stoke and Leeds. I doubt he'd want to go to Stoke due to their poor team - whereas Leeds have just got £7 million to spend from selling Roofe.
100% on Brentford,they won’t even ask

Leeds are pretty well stocked
I’d suggest stoke, Norwich ,us, Sheffield Utd even the B6 scumbags would all be enquiring
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2019, 08:39:34 PM
100% on Brentford,they won’t even ask

Leeds are pretty well stocked
I’d suggest stoke, Norwich ,us, Sheffield Utd even the B6 scumbags would all be enquiring


Newcastle definitely won't loan him out to a PL club.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: elkiellis on August 05, 2019, 08:47:02 PM
You know its going to be Leeds,they probably sold Roofe with Gayle lined up,with Phillips,Edwards,Sawyers and Kroninvic would have been fantastic to have Gayle
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 05, 2019, 09:03:26 PM
You know its going to be Leeds,they probably sold Roofe with Gayle lined up,with Phillips,Edwards,Sawyers and Kroninvic would have been fantastic to have Gayle
Maybe
I’m not so sure he’s go to Leeds and be a guaranteed starter every week?
We also have to remember that he may have had a good season with us but
*billic may have other ideas
*we still didn’t go up
Gayle does not guarantee the promised land
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on August 05, 2019, 09:12:37 PM
If Bilic want's him I would hope the club would explore all avenues to make it possible without jeopardising the dressing room.
Are we sure Builic wants him?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on August 05, 2019, 09:19:46 PM
I don't think he's been allocated a squad number yet at Newcastle!
Stand being corrected if anyone knows any different
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 05, 2019, 09:21:22 PM
All player like a winning team, we could be one of those with what we showed on Saturday.
To boost his earnings he could come here with a possible chance of PL wages next season.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 05, 2019, 09:41:02 PM
All player like a winning team, we could be one of those with what we showed on Saturday.
To boost his earnings he could come here with a possible chance of PL wages next season.

Dwight will be 30 in October, so I suspect his chance of big earnings and PL football have all but overtaken him.

Financially, I think he’d probably be better off staying with the Toon where he has another two years left on his contract.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2019, 09:43:11 PM
Fake John Percy has taken a few with him tonight on twitter announcing Gayle  :-X
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on August 05, 2019, 09:54:52 PM
As long as people realise that if we get Gayle again, its no good having a long shopping list of other players, as we will probably have used most of our transfer budget up.
Still, I've always said his position is our No 1 priority, so if there is any chance, we should go for him. I fear that if we decide to bring in another 3 or 4 players, the striker we get will be a poorer version of Zohore.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: charlebaggie on August 05, 2019, 10:09:39 PM


@TransferChecker claim that Dwight Gayle’s move to West Brom is “almost certainly” going to happen.

As we know, a permanent deal for Gayle is simply too much, but a loan deal with Newcastle paying a percentage of his wages could definitely be viable... 🤞🏻 https://t.co/2Z3f11hhUH
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on August 05, 2019, 10:33:42 PM
I’ll believe it when I see a photo of him in the blue and white stripes - DOH!!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 05, 2019, 10:46:11 PM
I never venture an opinion on this subject. However, despite fears about his age, he still seems a right fit for us at this moment. He’s proven himself here. Anyone else would be a gamble.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: KN22 on August 05, 2019, 10:46:54 PM
Dwight will be 30 in October, so I suspect his chance of big earnings and PL football have all but overtaken him.

Financially, I think he’d probably be better off staying with the Toon where he has another two years left on his contract.

He will be 29 in October.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tylerm on August 05, 2019, 10:53:15 PM
He will be 29 in October.

Born October 89
30 in October
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: KN22 on August 05, 2019, 11:02:46 PM
17 October 1990
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2019, 11:38:02 PM
Transfermarkt and Premier League dot com have his birth year as 1990. Wikipedia (with reference) has it as 1989. Tend to agree he's currently 28.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Baggies on August 06, 2019, 12:29:46 AM
As much as I love Gayle, i’m not too sure he would fit in Bilic’s attacking footballing system. He doesn’t really play the loan striker role which I think Bilic might ty this year. In an ideal world, he wouldn’t leave Newcastle at all, as i’d hate him to go to a rival. My preference is that he stays at Newcastle and finally cracks the top flight, while we sign a more suited striker. Probably too much to ask.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 06, 2019, 08:23:39 AM
17 October 1990

You're right he was born in 1990, so will be 29 in October.

Morale of the tale, never rely solely on WikiPedia  :D
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mrmojorisin on August 06, 2019, 08:29:34 AM
As much as I love Gayle, i’m not too sure he would fit in Bilic’s attacking footballing system. He doesn’t really play the loan striker role which I think Bilic might ty this year. In an ideal world, he wouldn’t leave Newcastle at all, as i’d hate him to go to a rival. My preference is that he stays at Newcastle and finally cracks the top flight, while we sign a more suited striker. Probably too much to ask.
I thought he played the "loan striker" role really well last season.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 06, 2019, 08:58:01 AM
He's not coming.

He's never been coming.

The club have made no secret of that.

But if he isn't here by 5pm Thursday, there will be a massive meltdown with the club the target. ::)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 06, 2019, 09:02:12 AM
He's not coming.

He's never been coming.

The club have made no secret of that.

But if he isn't here by 5pm Thursday, there will be a massive meltdown with the club the target. ::)

I think you are right, the media have fans in a frenzy about him coming back and if he doesn't, the fans fury will be aimed at the club and not the media
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Singhwba on August 06, 2019, 09:06:23 AM
Again, if he does come, who does he replace? He cant play the lone striker role. Surely it has to be 2 up top, but who do we drop? A good headache to have but dont think he fits in with our team now.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 06, 2019, 09:07:25 AM
He's Dwight Gayle, you make him fit into your team because he scores goals. Zohore can warm the bench all season for me if it means Gayle starting and banging 25 goals in.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wbarenno on August 06, 2019, 09:11:03 AM
He's Dwight Gayle, you make him fit into your team because he scores goals. Zohore can warm the bench all season for me if it means Gayle starting and banging 25 goals in.

This one hundred percent, a striker who doesn’t score v a striker who does . It really isn’t a hard choice
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on August 06, 2019, 09:11:06 AM
He's Dwight Gayle, you make him fit into your team because he scores goals. Zohore can warm the bench all season for me if it means Gayle starting and banging 25 goals in.

IF he does come back he might well bring the best out of Zohore playing alongside DG
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lewisant on August 06, 2019, 09:17:01 AM
Again, if he does come, who does he replace? He cant play the lone striker role. Surely it has to be 2 up top, but who do we drop? A good headache to have but dont think he fits in with our team now.

Livermore!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: leeiswba on August 06, 2019, 09:19:51 AM
Can’t really see why people are getting excited?

We can’t sign him permanently due to wages over the next couple of years if we don’t go up. Newcastle have said they don’t want him to leave so surely that completely takes away the chance of a years loan.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tucka9 on August 06, 2019, 09:21:21 AM
People will go crazy when he’s not here by 5pm on Thursday when we have no reason to believe we are in for him when we said we wouldn’t be at the start of the window.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: SmethDan on August 06, 2019, 09:34:33 AM
And if we do get him some will probably moan (rightly or wrongly) that we've signed a player who can't hit the ground running as he's missed pre season due to a calf strain  :-X .
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Albionic on August 06, 2019, 09:37:06 AM
And if we do get him some will probably moan (rightly or wrongly) that we've signed a player who can't hit the ground running as he's missed pre season due to a calf strain  :-X .

What, he has a calf strain, Oh my god, what will we do ??? 

Avoid the Newton road on Thursday, the piles of bodies under the "high bridges" will be reminiscent of a scene from world war Z.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: SmethDan on August 06, 2019, 09:41:40 AM
What, he has a calf strain, Oh my god, what will we do ??? 

Avoid the Newton road on Thursday, the piles of bodies under the "high bridges" will be reminiscent of a scene from world war Z.

Dow gew darn the cut mon........
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: divinewind on August 06, 2019, 09:46:10 AM
You have to love Albion, they keep us guessing right up to the last minute of the last day if we are going to re loan a player, and then splash out on a few million for someone like Sick Vic.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: charlebaggie on August 06, 2019, 12:58:08 PM
No change. Sources have told @TheAthleticUK neither Gayle nor Newcastle currently keen to discuss another loan. As long as that remains the case, there won't be a deal. But if that changes as the deadline approaches, #WBA would be very keen. #WBAFC
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: skyclad99 on August 06, 2019, 01:04:54 PM
As others have already alluded to, when this eventually dies a death lets just remember that the club are not to blame. This story has been generated through the press, and only the press.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on August 06, 2019, 03:19:52 PM
No change. Sources have told @TheAthleticUK neither Gayle nor Newcastle currently keen to discuss another loan. As long as that remains the case, there won't be a deal. But if that changes as the deadline approaches, #WBA would be very keen. #WBAFC
When its quotes from 'Newcastle', I think it very much depends on whether they are quotes from Steve Bruce or from Mike Ashley!
What's in our favour is that Gayle clearly enjoyed his time last season, and if it came down to him deciding between say us and a couple of other Championsip clubs, I think he'd choose us.  There again, it probably wouldn't be his choice.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: charlebaggie on August 06, 2019, 09:52:35 PM


Newcastle have rejected approaches from West Brom and Stoke for Dwight Gayle.

The 28-year-old has apparently been promised more game time this season, with Steve Bruce planning to use him as cover for Joelinton.

It’s over, lads...😔

[@SportsPeteO] https://t.co/dMinKff7I9
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: charlebaggie on August 06, 2019, 09:58:52 PM
That's it then. Lets hope all.this deathly silence things are happening which we haven't got a clue about, but even I'm  beginning to doubt it
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Ross on August 06, 2019, 10:00:04 PM
What were Barry and Morrison on? Surely not renewing them. Gives us enough to pay Gayle’s wages? We make a net profit virtually every window; why can’t we spend the money- the guy wants to come and is proven
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 06, 2019, 10:14:23 PM
What were Barry and Morrison on? Surely not renewing them. Gives us enough to pay Gayle’s wages? We make a net profit virtually every window; why can’t we spend the money- the guy wants to come and is proven
because Mewcastle have rejected all approaches, it’s not a money issue.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: DaveWBA on August 06, 2019, 10:38:15 PM
If we're playing with one out and out striker then I can't see that Bilic really wanted Gayle. Doesn't suit that system at all, unless he had planned to push Zohore out wide.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: staticboy on August 07, 2019, 05:48:12 PM
I just don’t know why we can’t just buy him and if we don’t go up just sell him off next season.  At least we would have a proven goal scorer for the season and it gives us a  better chance of going up this time.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2019, 05:50:02 PM
I just don’t know why we can’t just buy him and if we don’t go up just sell him off next season.  At least we would have a proven goal scorer for the season and it gives us a  better chance of going up this time.

That makes no sense, we had him last year and didn't go up ...
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2019, 05:51:25 PM
I just don’t know why we can’t just buy him and if we don’t go up just sell him off next season.  At least we would have a proven goal scorer for the season and it gives us a  better chance of going up this time.

If we pay the £16m quoted, don't go up and try and sell him, we're unlikely to get £16m+ for him being another year older and another year out of the Premiership
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2019, 06:02:09 PM
still a possibility according to Slaven, Deal not dead yet
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: staticboy on August 07, 2019, 06:02:54 PM
Yes I understand what you are saying but I also think we may possibly have a better squad than last season so there is always the chance we could go up.  Yes we will not get the 16m back but surely we would only lose about 5m on him for next season.

Which I think is worth the risk.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gazberg on August 07, 2019, 06:04:17 PM
still a possibility according to Slaven, Deal not dead yet

Wheres that posted mate?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2019, 06:05:32 PM
Wheres that posted mate?


picture of him on facebook with a supporter, supporter asked the question, another 6 possibilities too

Straight from the horses mouth. Gayle transfer not dead yet and upto to 6 players hes trying too get. Busiest transfer deadline day as he a manager he told me. 10 mins ago. I was hating my life for working over. So glad i did.
 — at New Street, Birmingham
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: boinging_along on August 07, 2019, 06:08:38 PM
That makes no sense, we had him last year and didn't go up ...

So you're saying none of the squad last year are good enough to get promoted.?  Gayle was outstanding last year and any champ team with him in stands a better chance of getting promoted than without.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gazberg on August 07, 2019, 06:10:00 PM

picture of him on facebook with a supporter, supporter asked the question, another 6 possibilities too

Straight from the horses mouth. Gayle transfer not dead yet and upto to 6 players hes trying too get. Busiest transfer deadline day as he a manager he told me. 10 mins ago. I was hating my life for working over. So glad i did.
 — at New Street, Birmingham

Thanks, fingers crossed we get the ones we want.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: kie the baggie on August 07, 2019, 08:31:20 PM
West Brom now clear outright favorites to sign Gayle at 7/4 :-\
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lewisant on August 07, 2019, 09:20:26 PM
Matt Wilson has said we’ve made another enquiry today. This ones not going away!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: bradleysrocket on August 07, 2019, 09:27:19 PM
West Brom now clear outright favorites to sign Gayle at 7/4 :-\
we were as short as 11/8 yesterday.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: kie the baggie on August 07, 2019, 09:27:35 PM
Matt Wilson has said we’ve made another enquiry today. This ones not going away!
I will put it out there, tomorrow, he will sign  :-*
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on August 07, 2019, 09:30:07 PM
Matt Wilson has said we’ve made another enquiry today. This ones not going away!
We know that Steve Bruce has him in his plans, but maybe Bruce doesn't get the last word at Newcastle! Fingers crossed. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 07, 2019, 09:31:49 PM
I will put it out there, tomorrow, he will sign  :-*

Are you itk?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 07, 2019, 09:34:49 PM
Just seen this tweet from a fan, not a bad shout

#wba £10m + Livermore for Gayle. Bruce loves Livermore type players. That would be half of Gayles wages sorted then. Then keep Field...
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on August 07, 2019, 09:38:34 PM
Just seen this tweet from a fan, not a bad shout

#wba £10m + Livermore for Gayle. Bruce loves Livermore type players. That would be half of Gayles wages sorted then. Then keep Field...

Bruce signed Livermore for Hull I believe?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2019, 09:39:22 PM
Just seen this tweet from a fan, not a bad shout

#wba £10m + Livermore for Gayle. Bruce loves Livermore type players. That would be half of Gayles wages sorted then. Then keep Field...


If we get that done Dowling should be knighted.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BalisPen on August 07, 2019, 09:46:27 PM

If we get that done Dowling should be knighted.

I'd thrown in HRK in as a Brucey bonus.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Atomic on August 07, 2019, 09:51:41 PM
Just seen this tweet from a fan, not a bad shout

#wba £10m + Livermore for Gayle. Bruce loves Livermore type players. That would be half of Gayles wages sorted then. Then keep Field...


We all know that won't happen. Captain Jake is going nowhere.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: charlebaggie on August 07, 2019, 09:54:01 PM
I will put it out there, tomorrow, he will sign  :-*
      >:( Mate I hope you're right because you will be left with egg on your face and they wont let you forget it
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: charlebaggie on August 07, 2019, 09:57:24 PM
Just seen this tweet from a fan, not a bad shout

#wba £10m + Livermore for Gayle. Bruce loves Livermore type players. That would be half of Gayles wages sorted then. Then keep Field...
   That is one brilliant shout .Get on the phone to Downing Now!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: timdon on August 07, 2019, 10:05:32 PM
   That is one brilliant shout .Get on the phone to Downing Now!
Don't think it needs Boris' permission.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 07, 2019, 10:16:44 PM
Yes I understand what you are saying but I also think we may possibly have a better squad than last season so there is always the chance we could go up.  Yes we will not get the 16m back but surely we would only lose about 5m on him for next season.

Which I think is worth the risk.
When was the last time you threw away 5m?

We talk about these figures like they have no impact, to a club like us 5m really can make a difference
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: staticboy on August 07, 2019, 10:36:29 PM
5m is a guess it could be less or more who knows but yes I would gamble if it meant we had a proven striker who will help us with our promotion push.  But any way let’s see what we are left with tomorrow after 5pm.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on August 07, 2019, 10:59:49 PM
If it is going to happen it will be a loan deal. I keep seeing people construct scenarios where we somehow can afford the fee and wages. It is really simple we can't.

No, it is not worth a gamble again based on some fanciful maths that we could sell the player if we don't get promoted. The reason why we are still talking about this is because no Premier League club or equally wealthy overseas club wanted to take Gayle on the fee and wages that were required this summer. 12 months on almost regardless of what happens in the interim with the player a year older and the selling club us probably even more desperate to get him off the books that won't be any easier.

My fear is that if we do get him on loan we make some stupid commitment to a permanent deal if we get promoted. 
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: kie the baggie on August 08, 2019, 01:36:42 AM
Are you itk?
no mate, just a hunch
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 08, 2019, 06:39:13 AM
I don't have a problem with commitment to buy if promoted deals when you consider how important it is we go up
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on August 08, 2019, 06:55:05 AM
If, as reported, the player himself want's a permanent deal and a signing on fee then you can understand why.
He probably hasn't got many moves left in him so is looking for a bit of security for a last big payday.
Would love to see him come back but struggling to see how the bean counters can make this happen
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mulliganstired on August 08, 2019, 07:22:21 AM
I don't have a problem with commitment to buy if promoted deals when you consider how important it is we go up
I don't either, that has to be worth the gamble
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: smethwick2 on August 08, 2019, 10:40:10 AM
Interesting reports that training is off at Newcastle today but Gayle has been spotted at the training ground? Would love him to come back but I am sick to death of this its on, its off situation. Its the hope that kills you
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lewisant on August 08, 2019, 10:43:56 AM
As far as noises from WBA are concerned it's been off all summer, never been on so we can't blame anybody at WBA.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: kc56wba on August 08, 2019, 10:44:45 AM
Interesting reports that training is off at Newcastle today but Gayle has been spotted at the training ground? Would love him to come back but I am sick to death of this its on, its off situation. Its the hope that kills you

Could be having treatment.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 08, 2019, 10:47:40 AM
Think the best thing for us if we don’t get Gayle (looking very likely) is that he stays at Newcastle so no one else can have him
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: kc56wba on August 08, 2019, 10:49:50 AM
From Sky Transfer Centre.

 It would take a very big bid - or a lot of money for a loan signing - for Gayle; Steve Bruce has said he's keen to keep him but the fact he's in today when the rest of the players are off maybe tells you something..."
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: AlbionBest on August 08, 2019, 10:51:24 AM
From Sky Transfer Centre.

 It would take a very big bid - or a lot of money for a loan signing - for Gayle; Steve Bruce has said he's keen to keep him but the fact he's in today when the rest of the players are off maybe tells you something..."

Strange he’s come in unless he’s pushing for a move ?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: smethwick2 on August 08, 2019, 10:56:34 AM
As far as noises from WBA are concerned it's been off all summer, never been on so we can't blame anybody at WBA.

I agree, they said at the start of the window that he's not coming so with I am with the mindset that its not happening. If he does end up coming then I will be happily surprised
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 08, 2019, 11:11:11 AM
Check out his lack of a squad number https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/newcastle-united/kader/verein/762
Just saying like
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: kc56wba on August 08, 2019, 11:14:59 AM
Just seen this on Facebook:

We all know the Albion.... Austin will end up at the toon and gayle will then go on loan to........... Leeds!    ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Jack Thrust on August 08, 2019, 11:16:13 AM
apparently Newcastle after Andy Carroll, could that then free up Gayle? Who knows! At least either way it'll be over by 5pm today and we can all move on with our lives  :D :D
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Foster#1 on August 08, 2019, 11:18:01 AM
Lads, 5 and a half hours left.

Safe to say he's staying ay Newcastle
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: phbaggies on August 08, 2019, 11:20:53 AM
Lads, 5 and a half hours left.

Safe to say he's staying ay Newcastle
Safe to say he is in on his own to get fit as hes missed all of pre-season, if he was planning on coming he would have stayed at home in Streetly and sorted things out!!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 08, 2019, 12:30:11 PM
Carroll linked with Toon now, could free up a striker for them. Gayle cant be happy if Carroll's going to come in. 

I think its 98% chance not going to happen now, but that 2% will keep me hanging on until the window's shut.

Dowling, dial that G one more time.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: phbaggies on August 08, 2019, 12:32:28 PM
I just said on Twitter, im now convincing myself it is better to go for Gayle in January as he hasnt even kicked a ball since the Villa game due to injury so he is way behind on fitness, if he is fit in that time and not being used by Newcastle snap him up in January to boost us for the second and most important half of the season!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Mister AT on August 08, 2019, 12:35:56 PM
I just said on Twitter, im now convincing myself it is better to go for Gayle in January as he hasnt even kicked a ball since the Villa game due to injury so he is way behind on fitness, if he is fit in that time and not being used by Newcastle snap him up in January to boost us for the second and most important half of the season!

I said the same to a mate at work.

January would be a good time to get him, especially if he doesn't get any game time before then. Newcastle would allow him to go on loan and Gayle would be jumping at the chance to play football at that point.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on August 08, 2019, 12:45:23 PM
Carroll linked with Toon now, could free up a striker for them. Gayle cant be happy if Carroll's going to come in. 

I think its 98% chance not going to happen now, but that 2% will keep me hanging on until the window's shut.

Dowling, dial that G one more time.
Apparently as Carroll is now a free agent, it wouldn't have to be completed today. By which time it would be too late to effect the Gayle situation.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheBrom on August 08, 2019, 12:58:17 PM
I think it's likely that Bruce does want to keep him, and has had a chat with him about his plans. He's probably training today to help with fitness and to show he's ready and keen to the new boss.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: chonobaggie on August 08, 2019, 01:02:19 PM
Surely with Carrol going to the Toon it’s going to push Gayle out the door. He’s never going to get a game now. One last chance to get him back? 🤞
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Foster#1 on August 08, 2019, 01:03:35 PM
It's not happening.

Please give up.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: andibaggy on August 08, 2019, 01:14:33 PM
It's not happening.

Please give up.

I'm usually very optimistic but i have you right.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 08, 2019, 02:07:09 PM
More facebook rumours, man with a picture of Kanu by the training ground.

"Kanu has just told me the benfica lad has signed... Charlie Austin is in the building singing ... sam willock and the west ham winger all signing for us .... BUT this shocked me the deal for dwight gayle was done last night but gayle has refused the deal no word of a lie he was shocked him self"

https://www.facebook.com/groups/245817622134917/permalink/2272179962831996/
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Dynamo10 on August 08, 2019, 02:10:10 PM
More facebook rumours, man with a picture of Kanu by the training ground.

"Kanu has just told me the benfica lad has signed... Charlie Austin is in the building singing ... sam willock and the west ham winger all signing for us .... BUT this shocked me the deal for dwight gayle was done last night but gayle has refused the deal no word of a lie he was shocked him self"

Do you have a link for this?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 08, 2019, 02:13:06 PM
Do you have a link for this?

Ive added the link to the OP just
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wbarenno on August 08, 2019, 02:14:57 PM
More facebook rumours, man with a picture of Kanu by the training ground.

"Kanu has just told me the benfica lad has signed... Charlie Austin is in the building singing ... sam willock and the west ham winger all signing for us .... BUT this shocked me the deal for dwight gayle was done last night but gayle has refused the deal no word of a lie he was shocked him self"

https://www.facebook.com/groups/245817622134917/permalink/2272179962831996/

If this is true then I don’t find it shocking it was well reported Gayle didn’t want a loan move again to anyone . He wanted a permanent Transfer.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheBrom on August 08, 2019, 02:28:03 PM
More facebook rumours, man with a picture of Kanu by the training ground.

"Kanu has just told me the benfica lad has signed... Charlie Austin is in the building singing ... sam willock and the west ham winger all signing for us .... BUT this shocked me the deal for dwight gayle was done last night but gayle has refused the deal no word of a lie he was shocked him self"

https://www.facebook.com/groups/245817622134917/permalink/2272179962831996/

Why would Kanu know the ins and outs of our transfers, and more to the point why would he tell a random fan?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: seteefeet on August 08, 2019, 02:30:36 PM
Why would Kanu know the ins and outs of our transfers, and more to the point why would he tell a random fan?
And what was Charlie Austin singing? Allez, Allez?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on August 08, 2019, 02:36:51 PM
Why would Kanu know the ins and outs of our transfers, and more to the point why would he tell a random fan?

Well he was right about Diagana signing, so at the moment hes 25% right
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2019, 03:18:13 PM
clayheads getting excited, they think hes in their bag
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 08, 2019, 04:27:45 PM
Well he was right about Diagana signing, so at the moment hes 25% right

Make that 50%
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Dan on August 08, 2019, 04:31:40 PM
Make that 50%

I wasn't exactly breaking news that we were on the verge of signing Diangana, Willock, or Pereira. They were all reported this morning.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on August 08, 2019, 05:48:43 PM
I wasn't exactly breaking news that we were on the verge of signing Diangana, Willock, or Pereira. They were all reported this morning.

Fair play to the lad he was 100% correct
We can only respect that what he said about the Gayle situation was also correct
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Andio on August 08, 2019, 05:50:30 PM
Oatcake reckon Afobe has gone to Bristol City and that they could be getting Gayle.  ;D
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gazberg on August 08, 2019, 05:53:27 PM
Afobe HAs signed for BCFC that has been confirmed a while back.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lewisant on August 08, 2019, 06:00:43 PM
Time's up though?!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: saml30 on August 08, 2019, 06:01:55 PM
Time's up though?!

Depends on deal sheets etc I suppose
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: lewisant on August 08, 2019, 06:02:41 PM
Depends on deal sheets etc I suppose

Does that still apply to tranfers TO the Championship?!
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gazberg on August 08, 2019, 06:04:34 PM
Afobe was announced right around 5pm
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Andio on August 08, 2019, 06:08:26 PM
Afobe was announced right around 5pm

Well the oatcake were a bit slow on the uptake because they were still unsure at around 5.45  ;D
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gazberg on August 08, 2019, 06:10:45 PM
TBF it was a small line of text amongst all the "WINDOW CLOSED!!!!!!!" alarms and klaxons  ;D
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: halifax_baggie on August 08, 2019, 06:13:49 PM
Is the fanciful rumour true that we did a deal with NUFC yesterday and Gayle refused the deal?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on August 08, 2019, 06:17:08 PM
Is the fanciful rumour true that we did a deal with NUFC yesterday and Gayle refused the deal?

Will we ever know?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tambag on August 08, 2019, 06:19:50 PM
Is a shame he hasn't come to us and we will never know how close or not the deal was for him to come back.

The good news is that he hasn't gone to any other club in the championship either !
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: caravanc58 on August 08, 2019, 06:20:14 PM
not fussed, happy enough with the business we've done plus we haven't spent loads so we might be competitive in the Jan window if need be.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: gazberg on August 08, 2019, 06:21:12 PM
May change his mind in the January window. PLus for us we know we got cash left for Jan as our bid for the Betis geezer was 10m euro.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Gilsey 56 on August 08, 2019, 06:48:20 PM
Yes, im glad he stayed at Newcastle if we didn't get him..
I've heard they signed Andy Carroll, so he won't get much game time.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Oldbaggie on August 08, 2019, 07:10:00 PM
"I've heard they signed Andy Carroll, so he won't get much game time."

Sorry, must differ there. With Carroll's injury record I reckon Gayle will be playing most matches.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 08, 2019, 07:14:02 PM
Yes, im glad he stayed at Newcastle if we didn't get him..
I've heard they signed Andy Carroll, so he won't get much game time.
They might? Big lump little fox?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: halifax_baggie on August 08, 2019, 07:35:04 PM
Gayle is now history

Thanks

Move on  :D
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: tambag on August 08, 2019, 07:38:16 PM
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/exclusive-dwight-gayle-fight-newcastle-16725025.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Looks like he did turn down as loan move
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Chipperfan on August 08, 2019, 07:40:03 PM
According to the Newcastle Chronicle Albion has agreed a season loan with a fee of £5m, with an option to buy if promoted valued at £15m. It was Gayle who turned the move down they say. So much for how he loved Albion.

It’s a job to these blokes, with a relatively short lifespan, so they will almost always do what is right for them, which is of course as it should be.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 08, 2019, 07:41:03 PM
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/exclusive-dwight-gayle-fight-newcastle-16725025.amp?__twitter_impression=true (https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/exclusive-dwight-gayle-fight-newcastle-16725025.amp?__twitter_impression=true)

Looks like he did turn down as loan move


No issue with that, he wanted a permanent move and we weren't foolish enough to offer it. He's of absolutely no use to us aged 30 and in the Premier League (ie next season)  8)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: mulliganstired on August 08, 2019, 07:43:10 PM
He'll probably go out on loan somewhere in Jan just to get the splinters out of his backside.  Did us fair though, can't complain, it wasn't really his fault we couldn't keep a clean sheet last time.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Standaman on August 08, 2019, 07:45:16 PM
According to the Newcastle Chronicle Albion has agreed a season loan with a fee of £5m, with an option to buy if promoted valued at £15m. It was Gayle who turned the move down they say. So much for how he loved Albion.

It’s a job to these blokes, with a relatively short lifespan, so they will almost always do what is right for them, which is of course as it should be.

If this is reliable I don't think Albion fans can complain about the effort the club put into trying to get him back to the club. Some might argue they went too far.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: alex1 on August 08, 2019, 07:52:38 PM
I think most fans would have expected on the back of his performances last season, that we went back in for him a second time. It certainly looks like Dowling and Co. gave it a good go. I can also see why Gayle would prefer a permanent deal which we weren't able to offer. But now its done, I wonder what he will think if it means sitting on the bench at Newcastle with little or no game time. Maybe by January, he will be seeing things a little differently.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: charlebaggie on August 08, 2019, 08:04:07 PM
Exclusive: Dwight Gayle signals desire to fight for #nufc after TWO Championship moves break down.

#wba had agreed season-long loan with £15m permanent deal - but Gayle turned it down. Stoke also made bid. Details: https://t.co/SHXNlW9D0d  Well you can't say we didn't try .So he would rather keep the bench warm Oh well  onwards and upwards .Let's get behind the lads of 2019 COYB
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 08, 2019, 08:14:31 PM
Dodged a bullet their methinks! Looks like more goal scoring options in the side now.Which to my mind is better than relying on one ageing striker. Loved him when here but looking forward to next season.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 08, 2019, 09:42:38 PM
According to the Newcastle Chronicle Albion has agreed a season loan with a fee of £5m, with an option to buy if promoted valued at £15m. It was Gayle who turned the move down they say. So much for how he loved Albion.

It’s a job to these blokes, with a relatively short lifespan, so they will almost always do what is right for them, which is of course as it should be.

We are now a very different side to the one he played in last season....

I think he may have loved his time here...  rather than loved the club ;)
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (at Newcastle)
Post by: smosher34 on August 08, 2019, 09:46:35 PM
Tom Ross is now saying Blues where trying hard to sign him
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (at Newcastle)
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 08, 2019, 10:02:32 PM
Dwight who? Too far in the past for me.  lol
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 08, 2019, 10:07:10 PM

No issue with that, he wanted a permanent move and we weren't foolish enough to offer it. He's of absolutely no use to us aged 30 and in the Premier League (ie next season)  8)

Agree entirely with this.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (at Newcastle)
Post by: caravanc58 on August 08, 2019, 10:12:07 PM
bonus is that none of our rivals managed to sign him either.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: wbarenno on August 08, 2019, 10:19:47 PM

No issue with that, he wanted a permanent move and we weren't foolish enough to offer it. He's of absolutely no use to us aged 30 and in the Premier League (ie next season)  8)

He had a permanent deal on the table but stoke couldn’t afford his wages , or Gayle wouldn’t drop his wage demands. So he didn’t want a permanent move that bad mate
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 08, 2019, 10:29:34 PM
"I've heard they signed Andy Carroll, so he won't get much game time."

Sorry, must differ there. With Carroll's injury record I reckon Gayle will be playing most matches.
Joe Linton
SAN maxim
Caroll
Gayle

In that order
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (at Newcastle)
Post by: Baggies on August 08, 2019, 11:09:06 PM
At £15 million quid, i'm glad he turned us down. It's way, way too much money for a player who has a limited shelf life now and who has never adapted to the top flight.

Great championship player but probably wouldn't have suited us this season anyway.

As for the Blues interest, how have they gone from money troubles to this all of a sudden?
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (at Newcastle)
Post by: divinewind on August 08, 2019, 11:39:09 PM
Dwight was great for us last season, but he was never our player and not an Albion fan. You can't blame a bloke for wanting to make the most of the years he has left if it be in the top flight.
Let's thank Dwight for his input last year, he seems a nice guy, but let's move on and support the team we have now.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (at Newcastle)
Post by: tuamigos on August 09, 2019, 06:51:26 AM
pity this deal didn't come off as I think with the way our midfield is set up now we could have created many more chances than he had last season.
Last season the midfield were too slow for the forward line, could be the other way round this season
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 09, 2019, 08:23:21 AM
Joe Linton
SAN maxim
Caroll
Gayle

In that order

it's Joelinton not Joe Linton....think Joe Linton plays for Blyth Spartans :D

but you are right I think about the striker pecking order.
Title: Re: Dwight Gayle (at Newcastle)
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 09, 2019, 10:29:57 AM
Now that the window is over, this topic will now be locked until a time comes where we may be linked again.

For goal updates etc please use the Premier League thread in general sports.