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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Savage believes we could be relegated
« on: August 08, 2014, 01:51:41 PM »
Paul Merson has joined the bandwagon of pundits relegating us
So has Charlie Nicholas and pretty much every bookie has us as 3rd favourites to go down. Let's hope we can prove them all wrong. :-[

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Savage believes we could be relegated
« on: August 07, 2014, 09:17:39 AM »
Technically we are the worst team from last season that are still in the division, so other than the 3 promoted teams we are the favourites to go. Doesn't mean we will, just means everything hinges on the quality of our signings this summer.
Our worst signing, on paper, is without doubt Irvine, therefore he is going to be the obvious target if it doesn't go well. No-one will be shouting "Ideye Out" if we lose our 1st three again.
I hope that what we see is that Irvine is exactly what we have been looking for in that he is just a good coach and doesn't get bogged down in finances or politics. Time will tell.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: 5 August 2014 - Port Vale v Albion
« on: August 05, 2014, 08:25:44 PM »
sky sports news show the goals....free header for the 2nd improved on defending  ;D
Awful defending for both their goals. I know it's only pre season but from what I've seen so far our defending is worse than last season.

General Football & Sports / Re: Saido Berahino
« on: July 31, 2014, 03:24:19 PM »
Welcome to the forum Saido  ;D

The kid has talent, just needs to apply himself to be honest. Get his head down, and let the football do the talking. At the moment he goes missing alot

Need the bonuses to pay for my new Range Rover! ;D

General Football & Sports / Re: Saido Berahino
« on: July 31, 2014, 03:14:56 PM »
I honestly think this kid has a real bright future and, if he applies himself correctly, could get 15+ goals next season. I know he has attitude problems, but if Irvine is as good as he is being lauded when it comes to getting the best from youth, he could be our ace in the hole.
He's not the greatest footballer, but neither were Lineker or Shearer, they just had a real eye for goal. He's never going to be in their league, but could still carve out a good career if he keeps his feet on the ground IMO.

What's others thoughts, good prospect or overrated flash in the pan?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Cristian Gamboa Joins Celtic
« on: July 29, 2014, 03:24:27 PM »
Does look like his legs are going quicker than everyone else's, like watching a cartoon. Should be ok unless we come up against Wile E Coyote and some Acme bird seed. :)

If he can burn off Raheem Stirling though, he is seriously quick.

Question is, who would win in a race Gamboa or Reid.......

General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: July 09, 2014, 01:55:42 PM »
Clarke got sacked five games after that Chelsea game where we got cheated by Ramires. We were 9th in the table at that time and I'd say that the majority of Albion fans would have agreed he was doing a good job. I still think he was sacked too early but the summer transfer window did a lot of damage and his persistence to sign Anelka and Sinclair probably didn't help him either. I hope the fans give Irvine a great reception and give him a fair chance because he may surprise a few people.
I think Clarke may still be here if we had won that game, it just seemed to destroy him! Remember his interview after the game and he was distraught and never recovered. This affected his ability to lift the players and the writing was on the wall.
So important for Irvine to get off to a good start and get everyone on board, including the fans, anyone who thinks we have no influence is deluded, if we get on his back from the off it will make an already difficult job impossible.
Please note, I think it is an awful appointment, but we have NO option now but to play OUR part in making it work.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Starting XI & Formation 14/15
« on: July 08, 2014, 12:42:42 PM »
That's 14 players
Might get a draw then  :D

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: 2 for 1
« on: July 07, 2014, 01:51:54 PM »
I understand where you're coming from but only providing we're good enough at the back to give them a fighting chance to score more than the oppo and that we have some creativity in midfield to get them the ball in the right places. I do feel we have the latter covered to some extent but I'm worried our defence isn't tight enough at the moment.
I agree completely and think it would be mad to think that as long as we can cobble a back 4 together we can rely on our 15m striker to pull us through. Just seems a pattern to the signings so far and wouldn't surprise me if Peace came up with the idea of buying one player to cover two positions. 2 for 1 = bargain........ on paper.
Personally, I would rather have one quality player in each position than a few utility players who can 'do a job'. That being said it doesn't hurt to have these sort of blokes about as long as they are squad players and not 1st choice.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: 2 for 1
« on: July 07, 2014, 12:19:44 PM »
Completely agree with this.  If JP has learned any lessons from last season then the goals scored should be top of the list.  Strikers didn't score anywhere near enough goals.  No idea what Berahino added to the team during the run in.
So could it make sense then? Have versatility at the back, keeping the wage bill low, then spend big on a couple of forwards?

West Bromwich Albion FC / 2 for 1
« on: July 07, 2014, 09:02:32 AM »
It seems to me that our recruitment strategy may be to look at players who can play more than one position, thus allowing Peace to run with his smaller squad and keep the wage bill low.
So far we have Lescott (CH, LB), Gardner (RB, CMF), Baird (RB, LB, CMF) we are also linked with Richardson (LB, LMF) amongst others.
If this strategy applies only to cover players and frees up valuable funds to bring in 3 or 4 top quality specialists then it may pay off, if not, however and we end up with a starting 11 made up of 'versatile' Jack of all Trades we would be found out very quickly.
Anyone else think this is a pre-defined plan?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: WAKE UP
« on: July 04, 2014, 11:47:49 AM »
Last year's dealings weren't great though, were they?

No, but even so, at least 3 teams would take our 'poor season' right now and finish 17th.
Astle is absolutely right and provides some much needed perpective, it is testament to our system that merely staying up is deemed failure. I know we were rubbish last year, but 3 other teams were more rubbish, all of whom spent more money, earlier, before last season began.
I too have been dragged into the doom and gloom over the last few months, but that is purely down to having raised expectations, Astle has reminded me just how bad things were back in the 80's / 90's and trust me if we didn't sign another player we would still be better than some of the squads we had back then!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Where Are We At?
« on: July 02, 2014, 09:03:36 AM »
Fair play to Hull for getting the players they want early in the window and being proactive. Same with Swansea signing Gomis.

Us on the other hand spin plates.

Going in to our 5th season in the league we should expect more. We act like a newly promoted side.

As things stand we have the weakest squad of players in the league, even taking into account the likes of Burnley and Leicester.

Norwich got players in early last year and spent good money, doesn't necessarily pay off.
That being said, I agree that we have the weakest squad in in the league at present and the longer we dwell on our targets trying to wring every last penny out of the deal, we are vulnerable to gazzumping.
"Spinning Plates" is the best analogy I have heard so far, let's just hope we don't drop too many.

General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: June 18, 2014, 02:49:19 PM »
Leeds just appointed a guy who was sacked by Forest Green, how on earth did we miss him????  ;)

General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: June 17, 2014, 02:52:37 PM »
Or the only candidate who was willing to work within the constraints. All credible applicants walked away leaving this poor desperado. That's why no-one from the club has come out with any rally cry, Peace didn't want him anymore than they wanted Mel, he just hamstrung himself with the constraints applied by his ridiculous power trip.
Peace could call the shots and play hardball when we were on the up, now we are on the wane no-one will take the risk and walk away from the negotiations leaving us with the dross at the bottom of the list. Peace will probably still be stroking his ego that no-one got the better of him, but long term he will be the loser, as will we.

General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: June 16, 2014, 02:01:20 PM »
Good point made by westbromjim on another thread.

How come we haven't seen the obligatory scarf waving photo session of peace and Irvine welcome anywhere?

Too embarrassing is it?

Let's face it, Peace has been left with egg all over his face with this decision. Everyone in football knows that Irvine would have been nowhere near the top of any list, therefore the only logic is that he was the only one who would even consider the job, all other genuine applicants have said no, Sherwood has as good as said so. It also flies in the face of everything he said at the end of the season, so makes him look like a prize plum.
Peace thought he was a big shot, hard talking businessman, but has now been found out to be a spoilt brat who no-one wants to work with. That's why no scarf waving, he is licking his wounds somewhere.
Let's hope his damaged ego prompts him to move on and sell to someone who actually has the club at heart and not purely their own interests.

General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: June 15, 2014, 03:28:06 PM »
Ridiculous process and decision, sick of being mugged off by Peace, wish I could fathom his agenda.
I thought I would never see us in Prem again, but Peace made it happen, now he seems hell bent on taking us back.
Irvine will not be a success, even if we win a few it will be with sickening football, not for me thanks.
At least I can cancel sky sports as I won't be watching for news every day of the transfer window. The type of players we will now attract won't even warrant a banner across the bottom of the screen!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
« on: June 13, 2014, 12:05:37 PM »
I have defended Downing quite a lot because i think he seems to be being made the scapegoat for last season, yet people dont seem to wish to praise him for seasons previous when we did well, basically dont praise him for good things, but slate him for bad things. RDM, Hodgson and Clarke all promoted him and i find it hard to believe those promotions would of been forced on them?

Also whatever the rights and wrongs, we got a decent points return under Kiely and Him over Xmas and also if reports are to be believed, it was those two who got us over the line and kept us up so i think he should be shown some respect and praised instead of been blamed for everything thats gone wrong, he deserves some of the flak without a doubt because of the coaching side such as Set pieces, etc, but i think it was Clarke who said the players were driving him mad because they worked on stuff all week long and went it came to games, they just didnt do it, that to me is the players, not the coaches. Also Downing has never signed a player for us as far as i know, he is in charge of coaching whatever the head coach / 'football department' put in front of him.

That said, i also would imagine if as rumoured it is insisted he is Sherwoods Number 2 then he must start to feel uncomfortable, if Sherwood is bringing in his own team then he will be friends with them, trust them, worked with them, etc before and yet there is a bloke who is his assistant by default really which isnt fair on Sherwood, Downing or the players. I could understand the insistence in a way for Downing to be kept on under Pepe Mel as he couldnt speak English, didnt know a lot about the Premier League and with an experiment like that it made sense to have a safe pair of hands, with Sherwood its different, he is bringing 2 or 3 of his people and unless he has requested Downing be his assistant then i cant see the point.

I can understand wanting to keep Downing at the club, i think if all goes t**ts up then its good to have that steady safe pair of hands who can step in, and its worked for other clubs in the past having 'a boot room' so to speak, it would appear Downings strengths and Coaching and players seem to like him, whether he could work jointly with the Academy and First Team on a coaching basis so there is a smooth progression up from them i dont know, or something like that has a purpose, but to be kept on in quite a senior role such as Assistant Manager because the club insist on it must be uncomfortable for all parties.

Again the above is a lot of rumour at the moment but if Downing does leave i hope he is given some respect for stepping up when needed.
Not blaming him for all that has gone wrong, as you say he does not sign players, he does however coach them, therefore think it is fair to question if he is actually any good at it if the performances decline.
I'm all for continuity provided we are showing consistent improvement, if not then all involved have to be open to question.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
« on: June 13, 2014, 10:50:05 AM »
Why does Downing have to be a number 2? Why can't the new head coach pick his own assistant? Surely forcing someone to work with an assistant coach they've not met is counter productive? Mel wasn't allowed one either.
Beggars belief, how can he be lauded as such a good coach when players he is coaching get progressively worse?
I can put up with the timeframe, takes as long as it takes, but this Downing must stay thing baffles me. Can anyone give any good reason behind this thinking because I'm at a loss?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
« on: June 11, 2014, 09:39:40 AM »
i thought we were after a coach with premiership experience that must now mean a couple of games, i will get behind whoever we appoint. but a good manager his someone who gets a team to play well when its in a slump not when its doing well . time will tell .but the even bigger point this summer is peace to part with the cash and get quality in otherwise we are doomed before we start
He has been a Premier League coach for some time, just not a head coach, so could argue that he has required experience.
Time will tell, I guess.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
« on: June 04, 2014, 12:10:50 PM »
Surely someone has spotted somone walking into a building with Albion officials in it
Saw Sammy Chung in Poundland......

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
« on: June 03, 2014, 12:38:37 PM »

what the area
Of course not! Who would turn their nose up at a nice flat in Smethwick, he's probably already considered it as a retirement option, I was thinking more of the lack of Champions League

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
« on: June 03, 2014, 12:21:57 PM »
Remember, these names have not been released by the club, just journo's frustrated at the club's lack of disclosure. I would be amazed if any of these were being seriously considered. Only Hoddle has any pedigree and he is years out of date.
What happened to Ranieri, has he ever been discounted? I know it would be a step down from Monaco, but surely we would have sounded him out.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next West Brom Head Coach
« on: May 30, 2014, 09:54:10 PM »
Reasons why I'm hopeful over Moyes:

-Roy Keane is in the frame for Celtic according to reports, so I don't think that's a starter for Moyes anymore (if it ever was)

-I've said before that Moyes seems to have a pretty nice looking home in Lancs. I'd've thought that might- MIGHT- be a potential barrier to a move to Soton/ Spurs, and that Albion might be better located for this reason.

-Spurs aside I don't think there's a better English job available than the Albion. That includes Soton who seem set to have the best parts of their 1st 11 cherry picked by richer clubs.

- I've got no problem with Downing being interviewed. For a lot of jobs in all kinds of fields there are internal as well as external candidates. All part of the due diligence. To interview him is logical (although to give him the gig would be highly illogical...)

- Moyes isn't automatically top of the list for other jobs because of the Man U problems and his name isn't being chucked around much for that reason too.

- Both he and his agent have been relatively quiet regarding new jobs since his sacking so there's been little in terms of fuel for the press stories.

So IF he wants the job and the Club can accommodate his staff in the existing framework, it's a goer.

The only remaining spanner in the works that occurs to me- and you can call me daft if you like, but it's a potential issue- is if he's already signed up to go to Brazil as a TV pundit. Then again, if he's not putting in a shift behind his desk at the Hawthorns, at least he can say he's been helping to scout players.

So having said all that, if the Albion have not at least been on the blower to Moyes or his rep, then I am a Dutchman...and we'll probably end up with one running the team  ;)
If it's true that he is a pundit at the WC then he can't be a candidate surely. Our timeframe would rule him out.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Billy Jones
« on: May 30, 2014, 02:35:03 PM »
Id say our best player for at least over a year, our right back and probably our best attacking player.
One of a handful of players who can be proud of his efforts last season and despite his injuries was comfortably player of the year.
Good luck to him, very wise decision.
No assists would suggest he was far from our best attacking player and not that long ago he was facing Ridgewell style derision for his defending, so all in all no great loss.
Has, however, always seemed a decent professional and couldn't fault his commitment even though he knew he was moving this summer so good luck to him.

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