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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: December 10, 2014, 09:52:22 PM »
Indeed. And if, hypothetically, we suppose that the players do actually like Irvine, and it isn't just what they've been told to say (which it probably is- they could hardly say they hate the manager), it's fair to assume that would only be because they know they're guaranteed a start under him. That's certainly not healthy either.

Frankly, I'd rather they hated the manager but he had them playing attractive, winning football without having "favourites".
Exactly.
Lescott, Gardner, Brunt and Foster are the main supporters of Irvine, all of whom are guaranteed starters, it seems.
Mulumbu, Yacob, Ideye, Varela, Gamboa, Sessengon etc. may have a different view.
Two sides to every story.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: December 10, 2014, 09:07:53 PM »
Think this might be the final game of his suspension.

I just know that I'll get into the ground excited on Saturday afternoon and then I'll see the team sheet and give the expression that says "oh for f*cks sake" when I notice that Gardner, Morrison & Dorrans are all in the same midfield with Varela sitting on the bench.
This is what kills the atmosphere every home game. We go full of hope and the team selection takes the wind out of our sails.
I really believe that if the fans are nervous and negative then the players sense it and it affects performance, this is why just by selecting Gamboa and Varela for this game Irvine could give the crowd a real lift.
Not claiming they are world beaters, but they offer something different, and exciting enough, to get us off our seats.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: The improved defense myth
« on: December 09, 2014, 11:52:20 PM »
I think Irvine's idea is that two banks of 4 offer more protection against the counter attack, which is probably true as I don't think we've been particularly susceptible this season. The problem is, with the lack of creativity we have in midfield most of the game is played in the middle third and we are eventually played through.
This backs up Mac's point that our midfield four don't specialise in either area so we lack penetration without being particularly strong defensively, the upshot of which is, we don't get hammered, but we don't win many either.
I believe Mulumbu and Yacob in a 5 man midfield would improve us in both areas.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Behind closed doors v Northampton
« on: December 09, 2014, 11:42:46 PM »
We scored 4 against Burnley.
Come on that was a freak result if we are honest. Have we even had 4 shots on target in any other game?
Genuine question, I don't know the official answer, but I can't remember any time where we looked like scoring 4.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chris Brunt
« on: December 09, 2014, 10:54:42 PM »
on the OS, Chris Brunt is not sure if he'll be fit to play against the Villa BUT is desperate to play.

This will be interesting to watch, AI has been vociferous in not playing people who are not in the "red zone"
Will this criteria be stuck to? or does it only apply to the "new" boys? or will CB prove to have miraculous powers of recovery and can immediately be in the red zone, whilst others are not after months?

For me if CB plays and others (Varela) do not, it confirms the clique is alive and functioning well.
Remember his penalty at Villa Park a few years back that ended up in the "o-zone"!!
Ridiculous if he plays ahead of Varela and will prove that Irvine just spouts all this red zone nonsense to justify his team selections.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: We need to keep our end of the deal
« on: December 09, 2014, 01:27:40 AM »


I don't think any manager would make those kind of changes for a derby, especially with the lack of first team football between them. It would be suicide
Varela and Gamboa is realistic, but highly unlikely.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: December 08, 2014, 11:42:14 PM »
we do need to pick up some wins somewhere, draws will not be enough, esp when you factor in the games where we are likely to get beaten. (chelsea / man city .....)
Don't you mean:
(Chelsea / man city / arsenal / west ham / Newcastle / Southampton / everton / crystal palace / sunderland / Gateshead..............etc. etc.)

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: We need to keep our end of the deal
« on: December 08, 2014, 11:08:14 PM »
I agree with what your saying, but the players have to look like they WANT to win.

If they get at Villa from the start then the fans will get behind them 100%.

Irvine could also get the fans up to this by playing an attacking line up (not going to happen).

If we got to the ground and saw Varela, Sess and Blanco starting behind Berahino/Anichebe/Brown, and Gamboa playing at RB, this would give the fans a massive lift before the game even starts.
Don't think it would even need to be that drastic, just Gamboa and Varela would be enough.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Predictions
« on: December 08, 2014, 10:47:48 PM »
Have to agree with the general consensus of a Villa victory to nil.
0-2
Cagey start with us seeing more of the ball without creating anything of note, Villa get back into the game before scoring just before half time.
No changes at half time.
Villa continue to press until second goal around the hour mark.
Sess, Anichebe and Mulumbu off
Ideye, Varela and Samaras on
Hectic last half hour, with no real shape, resulting in hopeful balls into the box, sadly to no avail.

Obviously this is uber negative, but it is just what I expect now on matchdays, especially at home.
I do however hope beyond hope that I am wrong and this is the week where we finally show some guts (manager and players) and give them a good hiding!
COYB

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: December 08, 2014, 07:49:59 PM »
Still don't see this amazing defensive side to him, got absolutely skinned by Santi Corzola.
Me neither, he is so slow and laboured at times and gets caught ball watching too often.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: December 08, 2014, 02:03:57 AM »
I think he is going to turn it around and I also think we will beat Villa.
I hope you are right, but don't share your optimism.
A good win against the Villa though, a-la the 5-1 drubbing of the Wolves, would certainly lift the gloom. :)

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: December 08, 2014, 01:34:27 AM »
My logic is;

We could setup 4-5-1 (Def) (this is a FIFA 15 formation which i think Irvine is using, he has also toggled to 'Ultra Defensive' mode, only the FIFA15 users will understand this but you get my point).

If we used this system for 38 games, we would still lose more than we win as we are all realists.

However, we may only win 6-8 games.

If, however, we setup 4-5-1 (Att) or 4-3-3 or whatever we want, it increases the chances of winning a game.

Yes, we would still lose more than we win, but surely giving yourself a greater chance of winning 9-13 games a season would guarantee safety.

With Irvine in charge we are cutting it very, very fine to stay up. This is in light of how many points we could achieve/should achieve.
It's almost as if he is happy with losing by small margins and not getting a tonking.
Of course we are going to be more vulnerable if we try and play more expansively but, personally I would rather lose 1 game 6-0 than 6 games 1-0.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: December 07, 2014, 08:15:57 PM »
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-ben-foster-says-8243981

Foster speaking highly of Irvine..

“He made a few changes and I think it worked. That formation and that team selection it really does work for us,”

“We are all battling for the gaffer at the same time. He is a great guy, we all really like him, we all get on well with him. You hear a few murmurings in the press recently and we are trying to pay no attention to it. We all want the gaffer to be here as long as possible.”
It is good to hear that the players are backing him, he must be doing something right. That being said the ones that back him seem to be the ones that are virtually guaranteed a start (Foster / Lescott / Brunt). That's true of most clubs though.
The worry with this statement however is the fact that he believes the team selection and formation really works, following a dour and dull 0-0.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: December 07, 2014, 07:20:44 PM »
We don't know, so why do you ask? All we can say is that it made no sense whatsoever to bring him in and then do nothing to help him achieve what he was brought in to do.
Pepe never got the opportunity to bring in any players. All new managers/coaches should get the chance to do that before they're judged, unless they're tenure is cataclysmically awful. During the time Irvine has been here, we've signed virtually a team full. I really do wonder what it will take for you to change your mind about Irvine?
The truth of the matter is that neither Mel or Irvine are any good. We ended up with both after long and protracted interview processes, which brings us to the real crux of the problem and that is that our recruitment process is hamstrung by the set up restrictions.
Mel was out early on in the process and then back in at the 11th hour when we couldn't get anyone else.
As for Irvine, the fact that we had to go cap in hand to someone with a CV as poor as his, says it all.
Once Irvine has gone, Peace needs a rethink otherwise we will only attract poor, desperate 'Head Coaches' when what we really need is a proven 'Management' team.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Not just Irvine - get rid of Peace
« on: December 05, 2014, 08:26:11 AM »
Agreed. People underestimate how difficult his job is as owner. Elite sports club ownership is unique. In any other industry if he had increased the companies turnover, infrastructure and market position in the way he has with West Brom during his tenure he would be lorded. In football he has to do this whilst being entertaining and appeasing 30,000 people in the process. Can anyone argue (perhaps the last 2 years aside) that the last 15 years haven't been eventful and exciting?

JP is an incredibly smart man, anybody who thinks otherwise is a fool. He makes mistakes (as you will when balancing any of entertainment, finances and expectation let alone all three) but you know he has considers the options and genuinely believes them to be the best decisions in the circumstances.

Besides magically finding a way to pull money out of his arsehole, I don't know what people expect him to do at times.
I agree with both points here. Peace has definitely been our best chairman in my memory. I do think however that he needs to, and will ,review the current structure.
He must know that the set up is reducing his options when it comes to the head coach role. There are good managers about who, I believe, would jump at this job if it weren't for the restrictions.
Maybe Irvine's successor will be less hamstrung.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: December 05, 2014, 07:58:53 AM »
I watched the first couple of minutes of his interview on youtube for this game last night, he mentioned that Valera was feeling the effects of the West Ham game (already got his excuse for not starting him), so I imagine Valera wont be starting.

The Midfield will be something like Dorrans Mulumbu Gardner Sess, with Anichebe and Berahino up top.

Or possibly, berahino out left in a 5 man midfield with Anichebe up top.

If hes not going to start Varela, I would like to see Samaras played there instead of Berahino.
Is that Varela saying he is feeling the effects or some daft spreadsheet? He's only played half an hour, for crying out loud1 Wasn't Irvine spouting last week how players should have no problem playing Sat, Tues, Sat????
I'm sure Varela is chomping at the bit to get out there and show what he can do, just as much as we are to see him do it and it's just Irvine finding an excuse not to start him.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: December 05, 2014, 07:51:34 AM »
I like the bit where he says it takes people 'outside' 2 mins to pick a team, it takes me much longer even if it's the same team.
Who are these people 'outside'? Does he mean me? He surely does.

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The best way to get fans on side is winning football matches. A win against Hull and especially the Villa game would put us in a good position and Irvine would prove he can turn around a bad run of form.
You are right, winning would help, but for me, just a change in approach would do. If he starts picking a more attack minded team with a bit of width and we really put on a show, I could put up with losing.
If he stopped talking nonsense every other day that wouldn't go amiss either.

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Rip up everything he thinks knows about the Premiership, delete all his spreadsheets, forget about red zones, stop worrying about the opposition and just pick a team that can create chances!
He says he's a purist, time to put his money where his mouth is.
Basically he needs to stop being a coach and start being a manager.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: December 03, 2014, 10:40:04 AM »
I think we all know he's going nowhere until Monday at the earliest so lets look at it a different way.
If and it's a big if I know, but humour me. If he plays Varela, Gamboa (Wisdom cannot possibly play after last night) and Ideye on Saturday and we get a high tempo, attacking performance and a good win ( and I mean a good win, not like Leicester ), even he would be hard pushed to go back to the narrow, slow dross that we are used to.
Therefore, it may be that by bowing to fan pressure he has, albeit inadvertently, stumbled across a winning formula.
This would mean that the very fans that want him out (and I am one of them) will have saved his job. :o
What have we gone and done................... :'(

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: December 02, 2014, 09:53:12 PM »
A good manager could work with this squad.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: December 02, 2014, 09:05:00 PM »
Can hear his post match drivel now:
Not my fault we played well for 10 minutes
Brunt got injured, hard losing your captain, not my fault by the way
West Ham got 3 scrappy goals, not my fault though I'm not a defender
We threw everything at them last 5 minutes, not my fault they didn't score.
Varela clearly unfit when he came on for the last 4 seconds, but that's not my fault I didn't sign him.
I'm a genius by the way, don't know why the fans were booing. The plebs.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: December 02, 2014, 08:01:37 PM »
Come on Albion, contain the sh!t out of em!  ;)

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Team
« on: December 02, 2014, 07:49:34 PM »
                     Foster


Wisdom  Dawson  Lescott   Baird


Sessegnon  Dorrans  Gardner   Brunt


                 Anichebe   Berahino
Good job he kept that under his hat, bet Big Sam is proper befuddled.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: December 02, 2014, 07:42:41 PM »
Varela, a winger, has scored 5 goals in 26 appearances for Portugal (according to Wikipedia), a nation ranked 7th in the world, and has scored 30 goals in 115 appearances for Porto, many of which were in the Champions League.

Ideye scored 33 in 74 appearances for Dynamo Kiev, again some of which were in the Champions League, and has scored 5 in 24 appearances for Nigeria. Our scouts managed to persuade Peace to part with £10m to sign him, substantially beating our previous record club transfer. It's widely acknowledged that the Nigerian head coach, Stephen Keshi, operates a very backwards selection process. His omission shouldn't be seen as a judgement of his ability.

Gamboa has 30 caps for Costa Rica and is a regular for his country, and shone at the 2014 World Cup, playing all 5 games, where they were beaten by Holland in the quarter final. He has played frequently for Rosenborg in the Europa League. We only managed to beat off competition from Everton due to previous work put in by the recruitment staff to secure his signature.

Blanco signed for his previous club in a transfer worth €6m. He was only ever a realistic transfer target for us due to the situation in Ukraine (same as Ideye), otherwise he's a player that would have been out of our reach. He's scored once in two caps for Argentina, and 14 in his 97 games for Metalist. Again, it was reported at the time that we had to beat off competition from a number of top European clubs for is signature because he is that highly rated.

These players are easily an improvement on the likes of Wisdom, Baird, Morrison, Gardner, Brunt, Dorrans and Anichebe who are guaranteed game time under Irvine. The reason they don't play is because Irvine wants to keep the clique happy, and they won't be as effective defensively as the (largely) British contingent.

Or do you trust Irvine's judgement over these players' pedigree?

Perhaps you should stop cherry picking your evidence.
Well structured and fair argument mate. Two sides to every story.
If the current bunch were performing, no-one would be clambering for change, but they aren't and because Irvine doesn't have the guts to drop them, conjecture is all we have.

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