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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: August 30, 2014, 11:43:37 PM »
we always lose against swansea so this result no surprise,

No we don't we won there 2-1 last year.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Downing out
« on: August 30, 2014, 11:40:58 PM »
I have supported the baggies for nearly 50 years and in that time I have never heard fans call for the managers head after 3 games. Just cant get my head round this. I didn't want Alan Irvine as manager but will give him a chance. For Christ sakes if we can give the like's of Smith, Little and Buckley a chance surely we can give Irvine a chance at least.

The managers you mentioned there never improved however long they were "given a chance".  I tend to agree with you in principal but everyone knew from the get go that Irvine wasn't the right choice and you have to ask yourself how much time are you prepared to give the man and in what state do you need to see the team in before you cut your losses.

Is it better to make a change sooner or is it worth the risk of damage severe enough being done which severely jeopardises our Premiership status?

Is it worth sacking Irvine at all if Tweedledum and Tweedledummer are going to remain under yet another head coach?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Andre Wisdom Joins Albion
« on: August 30, 2014, 11:33:14 PM »
Worrying thing is with a negative head coach you might as well get used to him because Gamboa is very poor defensively so far.

To be fair its harsh to judge Gamboa on fifteen minutes in a game where we were already getting the run around.

General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: August 30, 2014, 11:32:12 PM »
We cannot let this fester, Leeds and the mad Sicilian have shown us the way. Wield the axe Jeremy and trim the coaching staff while you're at it.

The problem is even if Jeremy Peace did sack Irvine (and he won't, not yet) he will most probably still retain the services of tweedledum and tweedledummer.

Following on from the Mel saga, players comments etc etc it is clear to me that simply changing head coach is not enough. We need to appoint someone proven and let him bring in his own men.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Downing out
« on: August 30, 2014, 11:29:13 PM »
No one on here is qualified to say Downing is good or bad enough. We do not see what he's like during the week and unlike the 'head coach' he cannot be judged on the pitch.

No one on here criticised him in months before today, now he's suddenly the issue. It's widely acknowledged by many closer to the club that Downing is largely appreciated and has been here during our better years too. Here's a genuine question for those criticising him - what has Downing actually done wrong?!

I understand the issues with Irvine as we can visibly see his problems, but pointing the stick at Downing is bizarre.

Who is then Jeremy Peace? The same man that was "qualified" to decide Irvine was suitable to be head coach?

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that the playing side of the club has been in decline for some time and the common denominators are Downing and Keily.

General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: August 30, 2014, 09:19:08 PM »
We have brought in all these attacking players, but is Irvine adventurous enough to give them a chance?

That's just it. You can have the best players in the world but if they are not set up properly you're going nowhere.

General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: August 30, 2014, 09:17:23 PM »
Best squad for years maybe but EVER? Not a chance. Go back 35 years. It was more of a team game than a squad game then but nevertheless still much better quality.

General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: August 30, 2014, 09:07:08 PM »
Nothing to do with hating anyone. I don't know Alan Irvine and have no reason to hate him at all. Even if he is a resounding success at this club (and even the most staunchest person against him would love that as it means we are going places) I will fail to understand how he actually got the job and how we approached him about it. I will never believe that he was the best man available for the job. If he was the best now why was he not the best when Mel was appointed ?

After this international break he has (on paper) the best squad this club has had available for many many years if not ever and he has turn it around and prove himself to everyone watching.

For me I wouldn't be sorry to see him gone today but I am realistic and know that won't happen but if by the end of October we are in the mix at the bottom and are not winning games then Peace has some thinking to do and if he pulls thr trigger then it calls for a new backroom team to come in, no hanging on to the players mate,. Total clear out.

You've put that well.

Personally I can't see Irvine being here very long but then I couldn't see him being appointed in the first place.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: The Booing's got to stop
« on: August 29, 2014, 08:27:38 AM »
To me, booing your own team is a sign of a total moron. Someone who is intellectually challenged.
We do seem to have e few of them among our ranks both on matchday at The Hawthorns, and on here as well.
I'm amazed they can string 2 words together, to be honest. Its just moronic, imbecelic, and doesn't contribute absolutely anything to the general situation the team might or might not find itself in.
What it does do is indicate a severe lack of intelligence withing someone.
Lads, for f##k sake, grow up and smell the heather. If you want to boo endlessly, go away to the nearest zoo and boo at all the animals that you see there. Better still, join them.

Your post loses credibility immediately when you post something like that unless of course you have evidence of intellectual inferiority amongst the boo boys compared to those that never boo. I know you are trying to emphasize your feelings on the matter but this sort of thing does you no favours.

I understand why people boo. Football fans mirror society, some are more tolerant, understanding and forgiving than others. When people boo it isn't always directed towards players either, sometimes it's the manager, sometimes the referee.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: The Booing's got to stop
« on: August 28, 2014, 10:55:39 PM »
But you can never really know that for sure. He never had the opportunity to find out without the booing you see.

If he was going to make it he'd make it with or without booing. Mental toughness is one ingredient towards making a top footballer. There are millions of kids all over the world with great talent but the vast majority never make it.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sebastian Blanco Joins San Lorenzo
« on: August 28, 2014, 10:53:48 PM »
I'd describe Ronaldo as "a forward" personally but you lot can please yourselves.  ;D

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: The Booing's got to stop
« on: August 28, 2014, 10:46:26 PM »
Scott Darton was no good anyway. It is a myth that booing destroyed his career.

In any case any professional footballer knows support can be volatile they get paid to be able to handle it, it's all part of the job. If they can't handle the pressure they don't make it to the top, simple as that.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sebastian Blanco Joins San Lorenzo
« on: August 28, 2014, 10:37:21 PM »
Hope this one doesn't come off and we look elsewhere , not fit and being 5ft 5 I doubt he will handle the physicallity of the prem.

I remember Stan Cummings playing for Sunderland in the early 80's. He was 5 foot 2 and he handled a physicality that isn't allowed in the game nowadays.

General Football & Sports / Re: Euro 2016 qualifier England Switzerland
« on: August 28, 2014, 09:54:41 PM »
Finishing bottom was disappointing but I actually enjoyed watching England compared to previous tournaments and we looked more like a team. I think it was the Italy manager Prandelli who said how much England had improved since Euro 2012 after we played them. I also remember many pundits commenting how well we played in that match and deserved not to lose. Also we had something like 60% possession against Uruguay but Suarez made the difference in that game whereas the opportunities England had in that game Rooney missed. Fine margins and all that. When you think we had a few players who were playing in their first tournament then it wasn't a bad effort at all.

England looked better in the last game they played. Against Italy we got totally over-run down our left side and once Italy got their noses in front they were never going to be adventurous. Had we scored again so probably would they. Italy are nowhere near the best international teams at the moment. Uruguay are distinctly average with the exception of Suarez and even the 80% version of the toothed one was way too good for us.

General Football & Sports / Re: Euro 2016 qualifier England Switzerland
« on: August 28, 2014, 09:32:28 PM »
This nation has been saying this ever since I was a kid and we've still seen very little change to English football

There will be no improvement until we get out of the "pace" mentality and start bringing through technical and tactically astute footballers. Germany and Argentina reached the world cup final and I didn't see any olympic sprinters in either team.

We never learn, you only have to listen to pundits keep going on about how "x" is "a threat with his pace" to realise that.

General Football & Sports / Re: Euro 2016 qualifier England Switzerland
« on: August 28, 2014, 09:26:44 PM »
Rose, Colback & Delph & Townsend ? Deary me, what the **** has them 4 done to get called up.

Not to mention my own pet-hate Welbeck.

These players are going to strike fear into the worlds best aren't they?

What a crock of ****!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: The Booing's got to stop
« on: August 28, 2014, 10:39:37 AM »
I start from point of view that I want my team to do well. Does booing them during a game and generally getting on players back help? No probably not. There's your answer.

In broader terms fans in general today seem to want perfection and they want it now. Frankly some of the utter drivel that is spouted on social networks is just plain embarrassing and this mentality is starting to be reflected in the grounds. People seem to be a lot less patient and generally keener to jump on player's backs. I think this is regrettable.

You might want to have a word with chairmen / directors / owners as well. Managers / head coaches get barely any time at all to build. If success isn't instant they don't last long.

General Football & Sports / Re: Capital One Cup 15/16
« on: August 27, 2014, 09:42:37 PM »
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!  ;D

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: The Booing's got to stop
« on: August 27, 2014, 08:51:37 PM »

Don't believe I booed Odemwingie, he is just another player from another club that means nothing to me.

Faux outrage? No, not at all, disappointment in truth as stupidly I had actually believed the myth that Albion supporters were a different breed to the norm. Seems they're not and we have our share of fickle, impatient, whingers too.

Albion supporters are the same as the vast majority of fans from every other club. They all go through the same emotions. Because "we are Albion" some people seem to think we're different or better in some way. We aren't.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: The Booing's got to stop
« on: August 27, 2014, 08:43:28 PM »
Plus Man United have had 20 years of winning everything. They are hardly starved of success.

There has never actually been anything unsafe about standing. If you are going to let 3000 fans into an enclosed area designed for 2000 (example) then it's plainly obvious to anybody but the extremely stupid that it is likely to create a problem.

It is no less safe standing up than it is sitting down.

I'm not condoning some of the language used in those quotes, I am however saying we all need to be careful about being overly critical when we could all fall foul of a similar analysis of our phones if we were in such a position.

It is not just phones. I don't think people realise quite the extent to which we are ALL at risk.

Section 4A and Section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986 - "Threatening, abusive or insulting language that might cause "alarm, harassment or distress" to the victim is illegal.

This means technically ANYTHING you say to someone can be used against you potentially. This doesn't apply just to mobile phones it applies to everything from message boards to talking in the street. How many of the perfect people on this message board have never called someone a tw*t or a b*srd etc etc. If someone is petty enough to report that and claim distress you can be criminalised for it.

The next time you (a general "you") get on your high horse and defend these censorship laws you might want to think it through and think exactly what you are defending.

General Football & Sports / Re: Paul Gascoigne
« on: August 26, 2014, 02:25:35 AM »
But would you have asked yourself what demons lead that guy into the decisions he then made? Or the crutch he then needed to lean on when those demons drove him into desperation?

Everyone has a story to tell.

I am not saying this happened to Gazza, obviously - but it wouldn't take much for any one of us to descend into a personal hell.

The death of a child, a divorce, home repossession, job redundancy...these all lead to feelings of inadequacy and loneliness and depression that can drive  us to rely on a 'medicine' that makes it all numb for a little while.

I can see your point, really I can...when people are offered all the help possible and still refuse it, they are making some awful decisions and deeply frustrate the people around them.

But some people can't crawl out of the hole they have dug for themselves as it's just too dark at the bottom of that pit...

To a degree, and this might sound heartless, that is up to them. If people don't want help and refuse to accept it or throw it back in the faces of those who offer it then basically they choose to stay at the bottom of the pit. There comes a time when any individual has to help themselves they cannot expect people to mollycoddle them 24/7.

I have been a victim of depression so I know exactly what it's like and yes sometimes you do need help but help is just that - help - that is not the same thing as everyone else doing all the work for you.

Gazza is a grown man and whatever his demons he knows how drink will affect him yet he still decides to go down that path. If he is insistent on not helping himself that is his choice.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Black Country Flag=our away colours
« on: August 25, 2014, 11:44:56 PM »
Yellow and green would be much better.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Silvestre Varela Joins Albion on loan
« on: August 25, 2014, 12:08:05 AM »
I haven't seen a lot of him but what I have seen I like. He's nippy although I don't think he's as quick as Gamboa but I like the way he shifts the ball, he has two good feet and he has the ability to slow people down then get away from them. A lot of the time wingers don't have the best footballing brain, this guy looks as though he has.

I'm hopeful he'll be a quality signing.

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