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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Predictions
« on: September 15, 2014, 11:26:04 AM »
Something nil.

No doubt we will concede in either the first five minutes or last five minutes. Maybe both.

General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: September 15, 2014, 10:51:00 AM »

He did actually, until the game at Chelsea our results improved quite dramatically.
I'm not sure what people expect when you bring 11 new players into a football club, it takes time for them to gell. Personally, I'm expecting no more than survival this season. We saw Liverpool & Villa going through the same scenario when they were re-building.

He turned it round to the extent that we sacked him as the general consensus was we were going down if we didn't.

Let me ask you a question: How much time would you give Irvine?

Let me know then if he stays here for that long we will then discuss what the point was of flogging a dead horse.

General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: September 15, 2014, 10:39:07 AM »
Just as a matter of interest, here are the results up to 14th Sept last season.

17 AUG   Southampton    H   0 - 1   L
SAT 24 AUG   Everton     A    0 - 0   D   

SUN 1 SEP   Swansea  H    0 - 2   L   
SAT 14 SEP   Fulham     A    1 - 1   D   

So we'd lost both our home games, & drawn 2 away games, scored 1 & conceded 5.

Can't remember anyone calling for SC's head at this stage last season

What's your point? You're talking as if Clarke turned things round, he didn't.

General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: September 15, 2014, 10:31:29 AM »
I want him gone now.

But, I did say from the beginning I'd give him 6 games. So far we've had poor results, but even worse, terrible performances.

What annoys me is Chris Brunt blamed part of last season on a "dead" dressing room under Mel. Well, Pepe is long gone, so what's the problem now? Tea lady not cutting your sandwiches into triangles?

I'm being serious when I say this, perhaps the club should appoint a psychologist for a while to work with the players.

I want all three of them gone, Irvine, Keily and Downing. It will make no difference if just Irvine goes.

Any players that have an objection should be frozen out and got rid of ASAP - they do not run the football club - especially when they can't manage to win a game.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Jeremy Peace
« on: September 15, 2014, 10:24:22 AM »
The stench of doom and defeat is hanging over the Hawthorns like one huge fog. This appointment of Irvine was wrong to begin with, it isn't working and it will not work if he's given ten years.

We needed an appointment to unite the fans, to lift the gloom and to move the club forward. We didn't get it and Jeremy needs to admit to himself that either he sorts it out or we're down.

Forget the inevitable stick from the national press /media who will ridicule a sacking after only a few games these people know little about our club and they care not one jot for it, they won't care if we slip right down the leagues and to oblivion.

Being stubborn doesn't breed success. I only hope Mr Peace is man enough to admit and accept he got it badly wrong. I have no doubt he has the balls to put things right and to make tough decisions, I don't doubt that one bit. The doubt I have is whether enough he is big enough to accept that he has made one hell of a balls up.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: September 15, 2014, 10:17:21 AM »
Players used to say to critics, "Show us your caps/medals." Well I will give all you moaners and critics a  new one, "show us your coaching badges." An old news reporter said to me on the subject of cricket, "It's always easy to captain a team this side of the boundary rope."
I know we are playing badly, but we have to get all the new players match fit and organised. You were mostly pleased with those we got rid of and all the new arrivals, but you have no patience.
I suspect you are getting flak from the followers of our local rivals who have started well. Grin and bear it because it won't last long.

I bet you won't find a head coach in the whole of English professional football that doesn't have the badges. It doesn't mean they are any good because they've passed some courses. Whether everyone has badges or has none you still get the same number of successes and failures.

In the modern game there is no time for patience or building for the future. Money buys teams now in the top flight even at the none elite clubs. The amount of money in the game now dictates you cannot afford to mess about.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: September 14, 2014, 10:32:17 PM »
No chance of Liverpool dropping out of the top 4.

I'm not so sure, Suarez leaving is an enormous loss for them. Sturridge and Ballotelli are not in the same class. Lambert isn't good enough. Add to that their defence is very leaky, Gerrard is ageing. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them finish outside the top 4.

General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: September 13, 2014, 10:37:43 PM »
Peace was only praising him last week, he won't get rid any time soon.

To be fair what do you want him to say? He's not going to say "he's crap" is he?

General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: September 13, 2014, 10:34:22 PM »
You have a point.

Could it also be because when all's said and done, JP and Co don't really have a plan?

Their plan is to just change the head coach and keep the continuity. I think the plan is flawed though. Look what happened to Pepe Mel when he wanted to change the way we played, The player and other coaches pretty much united against him. That cannot be healthy.

General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: September 13, 2014, 10:24:31 PM »
If/ when they sack him, the silver linings for me would be for them to know who they want to replace him, and to get the new bloke in within days of AI leaving.

The way the last two appointments have been conducted I'm not hopeful of that happening.

It's because we have to find someone who will work with Keily and Downing. Most head coaches / managers like to work with their own people who they know, who they trust, who are on the same wavelength.

Keily and Downing need to be shown the door as well as Irvine and it needs to happen soon before we find ourselves in serious trouble.

General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: September 13, 2014, 08:36:27 PM »
Agree. Clarke at his worst was still more organised defensively, whilst as poor Mel could be at times, he was also very competitive and had a good home record.

Alan Irvine is just a terrible manager, it's that simple. The club can still act accordingly if they sack him immediately.

He needs to go NOW and Keily and Downing need to go with him. Bring in a new, fresh coaching team.

General Football & Sports / Re: Saido Berahino
« on: September 10, 2014, 12:19:15 AM »
Berahino is a number 9 not a number 10 or a winger. He's the type who would be best playing off another striker. For us to do that we'd have to play two up which means either 4-4-2 or 3-5-2.

General Football & Sports / Re: The Official International Football Thread
« on: September 09, 2014, 11:41:11 PM »
at least turkey had a player sent off, bosnia losing at home to cyprus is a bewildering as portugal;s result in many ways, and dare i say even at this stage , throws the group wide open for wales

Portugal are really poor. Take Ronaldo out and they have next to nothing. I don't expect them to be any threat to the best over the next four years or so.

General Football & Sports / Re: The Official International Football Thread
« on: September 09, 2014, 10:03:47 PM »
Bale himself just said that the pitch was worse than they were expecting 'bumpy and unbelievably slow'. Same for both sides but a huge leveller.
Ramsey and Allen were very ordinary - passing and touch football pretty impossible. Mr consistent Ashley Williams nearly slipped up a few times with the ball sticking under his feet.
A near disaster of a game averted.

I didn't see the game but that sounds great to me, just like the 70's and 80's. BRING THEM BACK!!!!  8)

General Football & Sports / Re: Anything England Football
« on: September 09, 2014, 11:16:31 AM »
Need to look past the Villa link, he was decent after a shakey start. He looked like a school kid getting his first game, full of energy and flying into tackles. Could have easily been sent off. After that he settled and played well.

Like others have said, actually enjoyed last nights game, first time for a while.

It's nothing to do with the Villa link. Delph isn't good enough and when it comes to top games against top teams he'll look the level he is. Same as Welbeck and Jones and others.

General Football & Sports / Re: Anything England Football
« on: September 09, 2014, 10:48:31 AM »
England are always similar in qualifiers and friendlies but useless when it really matters. Switzerland aren't anything special, at the world cup they were awful when they got thumped 5-2 by France and they parked the bus against Argentina.

Fabian Delph's "engine" will mean absolutely nothing when it really matters, his lack of match intelligence and footballing technique will show him up for the distinctly average footballer he is.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Downing out
« on: September 08, 2014, 09:35:21 PM »
Phone sales (the good ones)
motor racing

Boxers don't have superiors.

General Football & Sports / Re: Summer transfer window
« on: September 04, 2014, 09:32:31 PM »
I've never understood the need for any transfer window. Back in the day you could sign players any time of the year. I've never understood what was wrong with that.

General Football & Sports / Re: Anything England Football
« on: September 04, 2014, 09:29:20 PM »
Think we do need to build a team around Sterling and Sturridge.

Our best 2 players over the last season or so. Think Barkley would replace Wilshere for me once hes fully fit and on form.

Think the move to Arsenal may do Welbeck the world of good.

Do you? I think Welbeck is a pile of crap.

General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: August 31, 2014, 01:21:56 AM »
That's just propaganda. He doesn't really believe that. I'd back my staff to a third party even if I knew they were dog S***e.


Somebody's comment means absolutely nothing. I've never listened to a word any politician has said, nor anyone in higher management, nor anyone in sales, nor anyone inside horse racing, nor anyone inside football. Anyone can say anything it's all means absolutely zilch.

Evidence is all around everyone of us but most disregard it and get taken in by media / press and peers.

Irvine has done nothing, absolutely nothing to suggest he's even a top Championship coach and that is fact. Look up his stats, it's simple enough.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Downing out
« on: August 31, 2014, 12:13:24 AM »
Ok, lets disregard everything I've just said for the sake of arguments sake, and could someone who wants Downing out seriously answer this:

When in the history of any football club has a teams success/failure ever been pinned on a coach? In other words, aren't coaches regarded as ten a penny and are by and large seen as an almost trivial matter?
For instance when a team goes down, have you ever heard anyone say "It was because of their number 3?" or when if a team wins a league, have you ever heard someone say "Their second coach won them that title".

For the record, I don't hold any loyalty to Downing and Kiely, and if they were sacked I wouldn't be bothered either way, but if fans are suggesting things would somehow improve massively due to two coaches being sacked, then I'm sorry I just don't buy that.

 In yesteryear generally if a manager got sacked his backroom staff would go as well, so basically a management team would carry the can. Personally, and this is just my view, I think it is totally unreasonable to expect a head coach (as it is now) to be forced to work without his own people brought in to aid him.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Downing out
« on: August 30, 2014, 11:52:18 PM »
Not exactly our choice that, though, is it?

Well, no, it isn't, sadly. I'd love to make all these decisions.  8) :D

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Downing out
« on: August 30, 2014, 11:51:09 PM »
But fans were not calling for their heads after 3 games were they?

No they weren't. The point I'm trying to make is it didn't matter how long they remained at the club things never got any better in fact they got worse.

Not every case is the same admittedly, look at Alex Ferguson at Manchester United.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Downing out
« on: August 30, 2014, 11:46:43 PM »
Jeremy Peace is more qualified than the fans as he can see what goes on. Admittedly, I don't know what Downing's job fully involves, does anyone on here? So are we really in a position to critique? For all we know, Downing may only be practicing fitness drills and positioning. If so, is he really doing a bad job?

You could easily say "Claudio Yacob has been here for 3 years, which have all been decline, therefore he is the common denominator"

Jeremy Peace is one human being. He is a businessman not a football man he is no more "qualified" than I am.

To use a previous analogy from another poster you should not be voting in any election then as you are not qualified on the issues on which you are voting.

With all due respect mate the "qualified" thing is utter nonsense.

As for Claudio Yacob, for whatever reason he hasn't for some while looked the same player he was alongside Mulumbu when he first joined.

General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: August 30, 2014, 11:43:37 PM »
we always lose against swansea so this result no surprise,

No we don't we won there 2-1 last year.

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