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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: December 29, 2020, 07:23:11 PM »
Billic was a very big part of the problem and one win in twenty odd games will prove that. The fact that Brentford choked at the last second always has a massive part on why we went up.

What is the point of this post?  Getting promoted is completely irrelevant to what's happening right now.

Fact is we have conceded at least 7 goals in 2 home games under a Manager who has designs on tightening us up.

Bad bad mistake to leave out our most creative player.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: December 29, 2020, 07:06:02 PM »
Any pressure and expectation on these players and they absolutely crumble.

All those lambasting Bilic for WBA 1-5 CP need to take it back as VAR ruined that game anyway.

There is no belief or arrogance in this team.

Allardyce needs to carry the can for picking Sawyers ahead of Pereira.  I said before Sawyers and Livermore are the worst 2 central midfielders in the division.

If we buy 1 player in the next month it has to be a central midfielder.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: December 27, 2020, 07:22:10 PM »
Well done Sam Allardyce and Albion.  It was a great performance and fantastic result v Liverpool.

However, IMO it was only on a par with the performances at Man U and Man C.  The MU game was pretty even and we could've won never mind draw.

I think our players have a problem with belief and playing on the front foot.

The games v Leeds and Arsenal at home really are an acid test.  Better to win 1 and lose 1 than draw both.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chances of survival
« on: December 23, 2020, 09:59:42 AM »
I missed this response when replying to BA.

This sums the situation up perfectly in my view.

Defending is a collective team effort - we have failed to that adequately pretty much throughout the entirety of Bilic’s tenure.

I look at it another way - if you have.a good passing team and you can occupy opponents in their half then there is no way they can score.

Allardyce is better off getting an accoplished central midfielder with pace who can combine with Gallagher.

We.were completely dominated by AV, 65% possession as the away team and 19 shots on our goal.

If we have a rubbish midfield who cant keep the ball, we'll be under siege from the defence and inevitably concede.  The most important player of the 8 years of Premier League was Mulumbu in my view.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chances of survival
« on: December 22, 2020, 10:18:50 PM »
The worst problem is not the defence but the midfield!  Most of the defenders (Ivanovic apart) have done an adequate job for most parts of the season.

We have the worst and 2nd worst midfielders on the division in Sawyers and Livermore.  They stated the season as a pairing before Gallagher was up to speed!  Neither are any good at this level and are the single biggest contributory factor in poor team performance.

Allardyce must get in a quality central midfielder who is mobile to play alongside Gallagher.  We need two fast wingers and Robinson up top to give more pace in the side.  We are too slow.  We need to play higher up the pitch, not deep.

I hope the rumours of James Tomkins, Phil Jones and Andy Carroll are just that because neither is good enough. 

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chances of survival
« on: December 21, 2020, 09:32:22 PM »
In any normal year I’d agree with you, but there are a minimum of 5 poor teams and while we are within a few points of them we have a decent chance, especially if we strike early in the transfer window.

Albion strike early in a transfer window, when has that ever happened?  We need to strike early to recruit quality, not the likes of Phil Jones or James Tomkins.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: December 21, 2020, 09:25:43 PM »
Could his start have been any worse?  3pts further back from Burnley, 1pt back on Newcastle, Brighton, Fulham.

And a morale sapping 0-3 reverse by your local rivals.

If he's clever he'll play reserves at Liverpool, resting the big guns for Leeds and Arsenal, which are now season defining games.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chances of survival
« on: December 21, 2020, 09:03:08 PM »
I think SU and WBA are almost gone.  Burnley play SU soon also.  To have a chance we have to beat either Leeds or Arsenal, I just can't see it.

Allardyce has made a huge mistake coming here and we'd have been better off sticking with Bilic for a long term project.

The penny will finally drop with people about the massive impact VAR has had on Albion's season.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: December 21, 2020, 04:29:40 PM »
This Chelsea game. They gifted us a 3 goal lead (plus good finishing by Robinson) and we never looked like hanging on to the 3 points. Hardly a tactical masterclass.

City they all put a shift in, but it would have been a regulation win if not for Johnstone.

I think your crystal ball has clouded over mate. 🔮

Ah in praise of Johnstone now, that same keeper you've lambasted for months, how ironic.  Awful you couldn't give Bilic any credit for Man City A. 

Last night was pitiful.  But in defence of Allardyce we were again done over by VAR, as I'm one of the few to stand up and tell it like it is.

How is this Allardyce tactical masterclass going to work right now with these players?  He's going to do what exactly that Bilic couldn't?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: December 21, 2020, 02:55:20 PM »
Bilic being a poor tactician was evident in Chelsea H and Man City A also?

What are these magic tactics Allardyce is bringing in?

Looks likely we'll concede a hatful to Liverpool, will definitely concede to Leeds, will concede at Wolves and WHU.  Debatable whether we'll achieve a clean sheet at home to Arsenal.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: VAR watch (For WBA)
« on: December 21, 2020, 02:49:27 PM »
Having watched the re-run of MOTD 2, I. made these observations:

1) Livermore hasn't actually touched Greliash, the twonk has just dived.  He actually took the ball.  So you are literally sending him off for studs up.
2) Hause's tackle was appalling, a leg breaker, its so clearly a red card. A worse challenge than Livermore's.
3) Grealish has dived again for the penalty, absolutely no contact at all from Ajayi.
4) No arguments if Watkins goal had of stood.

So you could make a case for every decision being wrong once again.

A Yellow for Livermore and Red for Hause and we might just have sneaked a draw.

General Football & Sports / Re: Slaven Bilic Sacked
« on: December 21, 2020, 01:08:04 PM »
I expect us to be in a relegation battle, I expected it at the start of the season. How is that ridiculous?
 I don't expect Allardyce to turn it round but I think he could if he is backed by the board in January (something that Bilic wasn't going to be).

Having an experienced manager like Allardyce gives us more chance of staying up than if we'd kept Bilic in charge.

We were in a relation battle under Bilic, so the problem is where?  What guarantees are we given by appointing Allardyce?  I'd say no guarantees.  Any signings by Allardyce will take to February at the earliest to integrate. It could be too late by then.  If Allardyce is all he is cracked up to be he will be squeezing out extra points from now.  Sorry just don't think he can.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: December 21, 2020, 12:09:56 PM »
I don't think anyone has said that playing in a different way guarantees us more points, it's more that being more defensively solid will give us more of a chance to stay up that being defensively poor (which Man City apart, we have been)

More defensively solid, lol.  Well we got off to a flier last night.  With Liverpool A next we may reach double figures in the goals against column 2 games in.

General Football & Sports / Re: Slaven Bilic Sacked
« on: December 21, 2020, 12:04:05 PM »
It was a poor performance against Leicester, and what's them beating Man City and Spurs got to do with that?
 I didn't mention 2nd half against Brighton because you asked me to show poor performances!  The fact we played well in the 2nd half doesn't alter the fact it was poor first half (you even acknowledge it was a game of 2 halves!)

Against Palace we played okay for the remainder of the first half after Pereira's red card but in the 2nd half we capitulated, yes the red card played a part but the performance was just dire.

Soton may be a very good side but that still doesn't deny how poor we were.

Last night was dreadful, poor 1st goal, Livermore being reckless, poor performances all over the park, not sure that any of those things have anything to do with a change of manager as poor performances have been happening numerous times this season.

Mate, frankly your expectations are ridiculous with the money handed over by the Board.  We deserve to go down with such limited funds, regardless of Manager.

I think we'll struggle under Allardyce but that's my opinion.  I'm not confident of beating either Leeds or Arsenal. And without a win by then we.are down before SA canfet his hands on any money.  We basically got in Allardyce for a new Manager bounce.  On the evidence of last night, it already looks bleak.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: December 21, 2020, 11:47:57 AM »
What exactly is this different way to play under SA which guarantees more points?

I'm really interested to learn this from the guys that wanted Bilic dismissed.

General Football & Sports / Re: Slaven Bilic Sacked
« on: December 21, 2020, 11:40:25 AM »
It's not valid that we were due 6 more points at all, where are these 6 points coming from?

The poor performances are Leicester, Soton, Fulham, Burnley, 1st half against Brighton, 2nd half against Palace.

What is nuts is that you seem to think we have less chance of staying up being more defensively sound (which is what I've said, I've not mentioned lumping it like a league 2 side) than if we continue with possession based no end product football.

You're saying Leicester was a bad performance, lol.  2-5 at Man City and 0-2 at Tottenham.  Let Bilic off on that one.

I like how you mentioned Brighton 1at half but not 2nd half!  Classic instance of game if 2 halves, a draw about right.  Let Bilic off.

CP totally ruined by VAR, why criticise that game when we were clearly sinned against?

Southampton are a.very good side.

What's clear was that last night was the worst display all season.

I don't think you are an Albion fan with this blindness.VAR.  If you want it your way it should be 10pts from 13 if we.split the difference, enough to be out of the bottom 3. 

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: December 21, 2020, 11:20:46 AM »
Where did i say that ? , we all knew it would be limited funds . We all knew he'd need a defensive midfielder , Bilic chose to waste a decent wage on somebody who is neither defensive or particulary good enough attacking .
Simply that wage was needed elsewhere not on a squad filler , thats the point I and a few others have made.

Why not credit Bilic with signing the excellent Gallagher?

I honestly don't know what you expect for £35m outlay, talk about unrealistic.

Satisfied with last night's showing?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: December 21, 2020, 11:17:15 AM »

I said that whilst Bilic had limited funds he didn't spend them wisely. Yes he got Periera in for 9.5M but he then chose to play him predominantly in a position that didn't suit him.

What you suggest as first requirements are things that Bilic should have done but didn't.

We need to be tighter at the back and we need to play in a different way to have any chance of staying in this league (and then the owner being able to sell up).

Some points, Field has been injured for several weeks.  The only other option to try was Harper and he is as lazy as Sawyers. 

Pereira is affected by a distinct lack of quality around him.

We need to be tighter in the midfield and control games more.  The back 4 are the best options currently but we still have Townshend, Ivanovic, Bartley as back up.  Unless we can sign a world class centre half there is no point.

Play in a different way like what?  Long ball with Pereira watching the ball sail over his head?

General Football & Sports / Re: Slaven Bilic Sacked
« on: December 21, 2020, 10:57:35 AM »
I was referencing your numerous posts stating that Bilic would have 6-8 more points if VAR had got things right (which it mostly did).

I was gutted that we sacked Bilic but since the board were unlikely to give him funds to strengthen in January and given how poor we were generally playing, it was time for him to go. He just didn't seem to know the best 11 or how to change things around.

If we continue to play possession based football with very little end product whilst being weak defensively we are going to go down.

The uncomfortable fact is that we have to play a different way to have any chance of staying up, it's not going to be pretty but that's the simple truth.

If we want the owner to be able to sell we need to be in the Premier league next season.

Well its entirely valid we were due 6pts more, why do you reference 8pts?  6pts puts Bilic on 13 from 13, 1 pt per game and out of the bottom 3.  What are these poor performances, the heroic 1-1 at Man City?  Or the 1-5 v CP decided by the ref?

What the hell was that last night by the way, 35% possession and 1 shot in a Derby.  It was far worse than CP.

So if we lump it forward like a League 2 team we have a better chance of getting results, that's just nuts!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: December 21, 2020, 10:52:46 AM »
no one is denying that Bilic had very limited funds what you don't seem to see is that he didn't spend the money available in the smartest way, he bought players that don't suit the formation he then chose to play.

Pretty sure Barkley will have cost a loan fee and wages, so not 'nothing'.

£35m is not a Premier League budget is it? And you expect us to avoid the bottom 3,its laughable.  I'll remind you Bilic acquired Pereira for 9.5m which is a snip.

So Allardyce is renowned for clean sheets and producing dire football to nick results.  He has to do this WITHIN THE NEXT Month otherwise we could be down anyway and the transfer budget affected.

The first requirement is to play Field with Gallagher, Pereira further forward, drop Grant for Robinson.  Basically improve the energy and pace in the team.

General Football & Sports / Re: Slaven Bilic Sacked
« on: December 21, 2020, 10:36:00 AM »
Think you need to read my post again, I clearly said some of the VAR decisions where wrong. You are blaming everything on VAR which is wrong.
The Chelsea handball was correct under new handball rules, the penalty for Man Utd was also correct under new handball rules. All VAR was doing was upholding the new rules the fault lies with the stupid new rules in those cases not VAR.

Where have I blamed everything on VAR?  I continually highlight the weaknesses in the team whether that's under Bilic, Allardyce or anyone else.

It suits your argument for sacking Bilic to say he deserved 7pts and no more from VAR.

I'll back Allardyce (in spite of the indescretion with taking bungs/being a rumoured dingle) if he plays football the right way.  Lumping it forward will make us even worse in my view.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: December 21, 2020, 09:45:04 AM »
Sorry but that ones on Bilic , screamed until he got Krov in who others nothing Pereira / Gallagher / even Sawyers don't . I'd imagine as its 2nd time around we paid a loan fee or most of his wages , utter madness when he couldn't hold a place down last season and as you say Livermore/Sawyers stood out like a sore thumb as a issue . Madness.

So you are criticising Slaven Bilic for a net spend of what was it £30m / £35m?  Its chicken feed.  Dean Smith £140m to scrape 17th last season and their best players are the ones that cost nothing (Barkley & Grealish).

Point is we should've been out of the relegation zone at the time SB was sacked, with the injustice of VAR.  Were you expecting miracles?

The best thing Allardyce can do is find the next Jay Jay Okocha, link him with Pereira, play passing football, then I'll be right behind him. 

General Football & Sports / Re: Slaven Bilic Sacked
« on: December 21, 2020, 09:36:01 AM »
then let's judge him after 13 games.

VAR hasn't snatched any points from us. We've been on the end of some awful decisions but the games still might have ended how they did. Under new handball rules VAR has been correct on some of them (Chelsea, Man Utd's penalty) it's not VAR that is always to blame but stupid changes to laws.
The only things I'd say VAR has got wrong was the non penalty against Man Utd and potentially the sending off of Pereira.
Villa should have had a player sent off last night and the goalkeeper should have been booked for handball but I doubt either decision would have changed the outcome of the game.

I can't believe what I've just read.  So you're saying all the injustice under Slaven was all OK and we shouldn't say otherwise.

I'll stick my neck out after 13 games of Allardyce, we will achieve no more than 7pts more.  So that's 14pts or less after 26 games.

Bilic's defensive record of 2.00 goals.conceded per game is already superior to Allardyce's 3.00.

Goof luck at Anfield Sam, you'll need it.

General Football & Sports / Re: Slaven Bilic Sacked
« on: December 21, 2020, 09:00:22 AM »
Slaven Bilic was running at 0.54 pts per match from 13.

Sam Allardyce is soon to be at 0.00 from 2.   

To justify sacking the previous boss, we should be expecting him to at least match that figure.

Under SB we should have been averaging around 1.00 as it was about 6pts snatched away from VAR.

Can you see players signed and integrated before 20 Jan?  I can't as most players are signed at the tail end of the window.

With 5 more league games between now and 20 Jan if SA attains 4 pts or less you can argue we are down anyway, so what's the point of opening the chequebook to any large extent?

To get 4pts from the next 5, we have to beat either Leeds or Arsenal at home, I don't fancy us at Liverpool, Dingles or WHU.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: December 21, 2020, 08:51:07 AM »
I wouldn't use that as a stick to beat Slaven with.  His funds were very limited and he used the money as best as he could, it simply wasn't a big enough outlay.

Under Bilic we kept the ball well enough whereby our possession was hovering close to the 50% mark,  impressive with Sawyers and Livermore.

Last night was alarming, only 35% and 1 shot.  I'll give SA a bit of slack as we had 10 men, but the writing was on the wall, Villa were dictating before Livermore's red.

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