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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Slaven Bilic
« on: June 24, 2020, 09:06:36 AM »
Guardiola had the players to play with a false number 9 we don't. Are you seriously comparing us with Barcelona??? The problem on Saturday wasn't with the formation it was that we didn't create enough clear chances, too many times Phillips had the chance to cross but decided to try and beat his man another time. Phillips wasn't the only one though Gibbs, Periera, Edwards all did it too.

HRK is top scorer because he has scored more goals than anyone else in the team end of. Austin is usually a sub because he hasn't been good enough when he comes on (apart from Blues away). IF HRK isn't good enough for this team then Austin isn't. Neither HRK or AUstin should be 1st or 2nd choice in the PL. The less said about Zohore the better.
I wouldn't mind seeing Robinson through the middle but we would need to play to his strengths. Although I can imagine there would be lots of moans on here if Bilic tried it and we didn't win.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you or I think about the line up it's Bilic that makes the call. He put out a team on Saturday that should have been capable of beating Blues but we didn't, that's football.
As I said in a previous post I'm sure Bilic will make changes to either the starting line up and/or the bench for the Brentford game. Football is a squad game and while players are getting back to match sharpness it makes sense to utilise that squad as much as possible.

It's the same scenario as Barcelona.  We are one of the leading lights in the division.  Our players are a class above most of the division so WBA v B'ham was a bit like Barca v Levante.  I'm quoting real stats in that we're struggling to make the net bulge.  Austins primary problem is fitness, he's not in prime condition.  You seem to also acknowledge that HRK is not good enough and doesn't have the instinct of a natural scorer.  He doesn't play on the shoulder of a defender because he's slow, everything is back to goal and limits our attacking options.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Slaven Bilic
« on: June 23, 2020, 09:09:50 PM »
I clearly said Krovinovic to join Livermore and Sawyers in a midfield 3, not sure where you get the midfield 2 from? His best games have come as part of a midfield 3.

 It's 3 games without a goal not 3 hrs but all strikers go through a dry spell. He's still our top scorer.

It's still a ridiculous idea to drop a striker for a midfielder...especially dropping 10 goals for 2 goals.

I think Krovinovic is a more technical player but he plays a different role to HRK so saying one is better than the other is illogical as you are comparing two different things.

Don't get me wrong I like Krovinovic and think he should be starting games but not as a replacement for HRK.

HRK is top. Scorer because Austin is a perennial sub and Zohore out of the picture.  Nothing to write home about 10 goals, the Kevin Phillips would have 25-30 by now in this team.  HRK is not good enough for this team.  The only other option is Robinson up front.  If you watched the Guardiola Barcelona team from. 2008 onwards, the false 9 does work as he proved it.  We need the best players starting at this critical stage.  He did the right thing with including Hegazi / Gibbs.  Starting Krov and Diangana on the bench is madness.  How can HRK be one of the best XI with everyone available?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Slaven Bilic
« on: June 23, 2020, 04:37:46 PM »
That's a ridiculous argument to make. Krovinovic isn't a striker/forward whatever word you want to use. If he played 10 yards further forward as you suggest he would look like a midfielder playing out of position.

Krovinovic joining Sawyers and Livermore in a midfield 3 yes but not replacing a forward.

Anyway back to Bilic.

I'm sure that he will put out a slighter different team/squad for the Brentford game. I would expect to see Grosicki on the bench (if not starting). I think Diangana will come in for Robinson and we may well go 4-3-3 with Krovinovic joining Livermore and Sawyers in midfield.

The team he put out against Blues was good enough to beat them but due to a lack of being able to break down a very stubborn defensive side and also when we did put balls in the box nobody anticipated them plus some wayward shooting we didn't win.

Not ridiculous at all.  Krovinovic couldn't play in a midfield. 2 just like Brunt, Greening, Barry etc.  He is not fast enough for an outright winger either.  He doesn't have defensive capability.  He is a player in the mould of Messi, Cantona, Zidane, Zola etc a No10 playmaker.  It's not ideal but sometimes. Special circumstances dictate.  He is a bettet player than HRK every day of the week, if you can't see that well......  What is it 3 hours without a championship goal.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: What have we learned?
« on: June 22, 2020, 09:00:26 AM »
We have learned that Leeds have a less than prolific strikeforce (Bamford usually) just like us.  I see Brentford as the dark horses as they seem better right now at putting the ball in the net.  We need to avoid defeat to halt their surge.

Bilic (and some fans) seem to think it's essential we play HRK as the best of 3 mediocre options.  Austin is not starting games which I don't understand, why not tell him to bust a gut for 45 then withdraw him at HT, if fitness to do 90 is an issue.  Robinson up top is another option.  I said on another thread Krovinovic is just too good not to start.

The current evidence is that we are firing too many blanks with HRK up front.  Why should he be guaranteed a start just as a link-up man?  He doesn't have a goalscorers instinct.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Slaven Bilic
« on: June 20, 2020, 06:12:23 PM »
Krovinovic has assisted 4 time this season with 2 goals Robson Kanu has scored 10 with 1 assist, which is what you'd expect when comparing 2 players that don't play in the same position when one of them is a striker.

You can't logically compare a midfielder with an attacker/forward/striker they are not like for like.

Not much in it HRK also had more gametime.  If Krov played in his position then he'd be 10 yards further up the pitch giving loads more potential for goals and assists.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Slaven Bilic
« on: June 20, 2020, 05:30:56 PM »
erm because he's a striker not a midfielder.

Bilic isn't Guardiola. We aren't Barcelona.

I wouldn't even call him.a striker he's just a forward.  Krovinovic is just as good for goal scoring and assists and is just a better all round player.

Needs to be a regular starter.  Drop Livermore, Sawyers or HRK for him.  Too good to be left out.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Slaven Bilic
« on: June 20, 2020, 05:21:49 PM »
Picked the wrong team today.  Krovinovic was the outstanding player for last few games before lockdown and he got 5 minutes.  How can you pick HRK instead of him?  It's about picking the best players.  Guardiola played with a False 9 at Barcelona and they still smashed teams.

General Football & Sports / Re: Chris Brunt
« on: June 10, 2020, 04:13:18 PM »
I think O'Neill will dig Stoke out of trouble, Nathan Jones was a shocking manager.  McAuley and Evans were giants when O'Neill managed NI.  Steven Davis was good in midfield.  Their ball retention was appalling and set pieces were huge ala Pulis. 

Chris Brunt may be steady next season, he's just average Championship level now at best.  Kyle Lafferty next for O'Neill?

General Football & Sports / Re: Chris Brunt
« on: June 04, 2020, 07:56:11 PM »
Chris Brunt's message on the OS left me with a lump in the throat.  Enormous kudos for that, he clearly was massively respected at the football club and seems a genuinely nice man.  He also came across excellently recently with the zoom link up with the title winning players of 2007/08, you could see his leadership skills.  I'm sure that when he says he'll translate into a fan of this great club I genuinely believe him.

Football wise he was very very good for a few years, when he was young enough to still keep up with the pace of the premier league, was brilliant at passing at times, and delivery from a standing position.  For me the decline has been sharp in recent times and the fact he lacked a yard of pace has killed him at times, much the same it did for the likes of Michael Owen and Robbie Fowler earlier.

Not sure how you define a club legend, is it longevity, brilliance on the field, or a mix?  I think there's been a raft of more natural talented players to grace the blue and white stripes personally. 

I do wish CB all the best for the future.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Foster on Pulis...
« on: May 06, 2020, 02:26:23 PM »
Watching stoke constantly beat us over the years with his anti football tactics, I was never going to be a fan (as were many of us), but he was a necessary evil. The direction the club was going in, was there for world to see before he rocked up. Weak managers, player power, and lack of communication from the club, contributed to the fans being split and disenchanted.

In his time here he managed to change the transfer policy, employing aging, expensive players (quoting “quality over quantity”), he virtually destroyed our scouting system ,and showed us his limitations as tactics during his time here. I feel we would have been relegated under his tenure, as the players no longer believed in him.

All that said, he united the fan base in a negative way, which I feel Darren Moore helped to turn around.
We were forced to rethink our transfer policy, which Slaven Bilic is currently addressing.
Our scouting system has returned, more focused and less limited.
For me most importantly, We as a fan base won’t tolerate rubbish hoof ball tactics and players that don’t give more to the squad and are here just to pay the bills.
Our current team now has new belief.

He dealt with the Berahino situation and sold him to Stoke for an inflated fee, and James Chester to the vile, which both turned out good for us.

We now have a younger generation of baggies who have had their own Buckley era, who will appreciate better times in the future.

Not for a second saying Tony Pulis is a good thing but I feel he was a necess
ary evil.

It's a really good post that. I just don't think you can compare the Pulis era to the one mid 80s through to millenium.  If you were born around 1975 like me then to be an Albion fan was to really suffer amongst your colleagues, peers, friends.  If you have an all Albion family like mine then you get to hear off your Grandad just how good they were in the 50s and then off your Dad the team of the 60s plus late 70s.  It was hell, a definite toughening up process.  To stick with it and come out the other side and have some modicum of success was so satisfying.  21 April 2002,a day forever etched in your memory and the reason I'll always hold Megson above any other WBA manager.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Foster on Pulis...
« on: May 06, 2020, 01:58:06 PM »
Yes, its great isn't it:)

I was a STH when Gould, Buckley et al were there, it was a different time then as we didn't have a pot to p*ss in. You can thank Mr Gould for Superbob, and his partnership with Andy Hunt will always be remembered. Hopefully we will never go back to those dark days.

The golden rule of football management don't buy players unless they are better than what's there already.  He's spunked way over £100m on people little better than Lansbury, Hourihane, Taylor, Chester etc.  It's obvious to me the mastermind at Brentford was Thomas Frank and not Dean Smith.  Most Villa fans can't see it, they are renowned on the whole for not being very sharp!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Foster on Pulis...
« on: May 05, 2020, 09:24:31 PM »
Pulis was still way better than a lot of WBA managers though.

I'll give you the following:

Ron Wylie, Bobby Gould, Keith Burkinshaw, Alan Buckley, Denis Smith, Brian Little, Alan Irvine, Alan Pardew.

Pulis diligently worked to a method.  The method was well communicated and laid out.  The man was uncompromising, tough and demanded respect.  The football was dull but at times effective.

I bet the Villa fans would have Pulis right now, because that Dean Smith is god damn awful, the money he has wasted is just unbelievable.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: The Athletic
« on: April 26, 2020, 09:24:43 PM »
I have no idea why Steve Clarke sidelined Dorrans in 2015.  It's just my opinion but I rated Dorrans as a better all round player than both Morrison and Brunt.  If we think back to 5 years ago Brunt was in decline aged 30 and he had this problem of not knowing whether he was a left winger, left back or central midfielder.  Also in 2015 we lost the mercurial Mulumbu.  For me this reduced the effectiveness of the midfield and we never recovered.  I just think Brunt has been lucky to stay all this time from 2015 onwards. 

Dorrans was let go at 28 and was really still in his prime.

Yes your quite right mate,but for that bad winter eh?
I mean Statham, Robbo, Cantello, Regis and Laurie those guys should all have been in the england squad and possibly the team.
Cantello should have got a cap I think he was up to the 23's.
Poss Godden or even Wile.
And of course Bomber.
We could easily have had 8 in the England squad, what happened?
The answer we wernt  in London!

Wrong quote attached

So true. Even our 'poor' players were bloody brilliant back then. I'm a firm believer that the majority of these would have wrapped their head around the modern game (although actively encouraging the players to meet the supporters in the pub after would have had to change!!)

If not for that Midlands winter, we'd have had that year for us. No doubt.

I couldn't agree more.  It was an absolute disgrace that several Albion players weren't a regular fixture in the England team of the late 70's / early 80's, no wonder England were poor. 

I wouldn't make a case for Godden as someone mentioned Shilton and Clemence.
You could make a strong case for Batson (he was good).
Statham was the best left back in the country bar none.
I wouldn't make a case for Wile.
Robson best midfielder in country, handful of caps at WBA, was suddenly world class on signing for Man Utd.
Tony Brown should've had way more caps all throughout his career.
Cunningham best winger in the country, went to Real Madrid, still largely ignored by England.
Regis simply fantastic striker who deserved way more England caps.

So in summary, the England selection was a shambles.  My interest in England as I learnt about this great Albion team was peripheral.  The selection is handled by the London media and is totally corrupt.  England will never win anything.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: best team since 2000
« on: March 20, 2020, 05:45:22 PM »

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: March 03, 2020, 09:58:07 PM »
A disgrace playing Brunt and Barry.  I thought Slaven had more nous than that.  Krovinovic is light years better.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: February 12, 2020, 10:21:08 PM »
Amazed we didn't score 6 we ripped them to pieces and were the dominant team.

I'd like to see us being more ruthless when on top.  Reading we're there for the taking on 50mins at 1-2 and they somehow crept back into it.

Disappointed with the ludicrous penalty, we made things harder than it needed to be yet again.

I thought Krov did nothing 2nd half and Phillips should've come on 10mins earlier.  No idea why HRK stayed on for 85, he wasn't involved after 55.  Surely Austin should start v Forest with the quick turnaround? 

Brentford look certainties for the Top 2.  With the new players we could do with reeling off 5 wins in a row to deliver a statement.  It looks like only 1 play off place is available as WBA, Brentford, Fulham, Leeds, Forest nailed on.  I think PNE are that team.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: February 08, 2020, 08:04:48 PM »
Let's beat this lot storm or not.  33 years without a win there is way too long.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System / Tactics / Personnel
« on: February 02, 2020, 11:46:15 AM »
We shouldn't be judging any of our personnel based on yesterdays game, that Luton side is the worst league side we've played since the late 90s.

It's another game with our forwards not scoring.  Worrying that neither has hit double figures yet and they seem easily negated by the opposition in open play.  If Luton were really that bad then someone like the Kevin Phillips of old would've bagged a couple.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System / Tactics / Personnel
« on: February 02, 2020, 11:06:44 AM »
With what we did in the transfer window, we have a multitude of options on both wings and in the hole.  Austin, HRK and Zohote look so unconving up front.  I'd try Robinson as centre forward and not use any of the 3 natural options.  Also still not completely sold on Sawyers and Livermore.  I still say Ajayi could do a job centre midfield with the attacking flair we now possess. You still have O:Neill, Hegazi and Bartley competing for 2 positions.  Baffling that Furlong is not at right back.

I want to see us driving at teams home or away and scoring early to put them on the back foot.  The theme of the losing run has been not scoring early and allowing opposition to grow into the game with forwards not scoring.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Slaven Bilic
« on: January 29, 2020, 11:23:41 AM »
exactly, but so many on here and elsewhere dont see it.

people slag livermore or sawyers off instead. the movement last night was like watching a team of 75 year olds play. imagine being in that midfield role with the options you have?

HRK will always put in 100% but you cant have him being first or second choice in a team trying to win promotion. he has to be 3rd choice at best. Austin should be 2nd and Zohore should be no where near the club.

it stuck out like a sore thumb last night we have nothing upfront. Zohore was none existent. none of this is bilic fault.

he needs to be backed and get a proven striker in at this level like we should have done in the summer. Diangana and Perreria playing constantly in the first half of the season reduced how visible the striking situation was.

If Bilic had Darren Moores striking options last season we would win the league in march.

I quite agree, the strikeforce is not good enough for a side with promotion aspirations.  I will say though that it was apparent to me about 6 league games ago that HRK was suffering a dip and back to his non-threatening self.  I believe in the 2 FA Cup games Austin played and hey presto we won both 0-1.  HRK should have been dropped at the turn of the year.  This useless idea of bringing Austin on after 70 mins is TOO LATE, the pattern of games are set by this point.  Even the last league game we won (2-3 at Blues), Austin rescued us from 2-1 down late on with 2 great strikes. 

There is no movement up front when HRK is up front on his own.  The opposition's defence play 10 yards up the field.  Time for Bilic to drop HRK.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Slaven Bilic
« on: January 29, 2020, 07:29:22 AM »
I refute these suggestions we have a mediocre squad for the Championship.  We've spent a lot of money compared to the likes of Cardiff.  Bilic is not picking the right players to start, for instance Bond, Austin and now a massive case can be made for Brunt and Barry.  There looks to little or no defensive organisation on the training ground.  It is a given we will concede in a league match.

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