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West Bromwich Albion FC / Clearout Required
« on: January 14, 2012, 05:00:35 PM »
We were useless today against what is basically a championship Norwich.  2 shots did they have?

It's time to wield the axe.  How many more home games are we going to lose against inferior opposition?  This is becoming a sick joke!

This is no "off the cuff" topic.  In the last month we've lost to Wigan, Everton & Norwich who all looked dire to me.

These players do not cut it: Morrison, Cox, Scharner, Fortune and maybe more.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Predictions
« on: January 13, 2012, 07:42:29 PM »

Odemwingie - hat trick tomorrow.  Let's hope he's up against Barnett.

We should have too much class all over the pitch.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 03, 2012, 11:30:23 PM »
The swans were at home.  If you recall the Spurs home game we went for their throat, got to 1-0 but lost

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 03, 2012, 11:27:45 PM »
You're making it sound black and white though.  It worked against City and failed tonight.  But we conceded only 1 goal against 2 superb teams.  At 7.45pm in Hodgson's shoes what would you have done?  It's easy to say now.  After the City game no-one complained!  It's very fine lines in football.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 03, 2012, 11:14:01 PM »
Mate, Tottenham were sitting on 1-0, inviting us on and looking for the counter.

If we'd thrown caution to the wind 9 times out of 10 we'd have had a drubbing.

We almost snatched a point at the death because we were still in it.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 03, 2012, 11:07:07 PM »
I really don't care what Mowbray "might" have done.  It's absolutely irrelevent.  It's like when someone criticises the Tory party and they say "well Labour would have done worse".

We're playing under Roy and we need to give us our best chance of staying up.  Parking the bus does not work, it never has.

I thought we defended well but there was room to take the game to Spurs a little.  Doesn't mean we have to become too open, there has to be some middle ground between Mowbray and dour setups to draw the game 0-0 that aren't working either.

Don't agree.  You open the game up against world class players with your inferior players and you'll get trashed.  Here's the world class list: Bale, Assou-Ekotto, Bale, VDV, Modric, Adebayor.  They only had Parker missing.  Do you realise how good Tottenham are?  Do you watch other premier league matches?  Bale is the world's best left-sided player bar none!

Roy is on the right lines as a fantastic tactician.  Why don't you appreciate we're lucky to have him?  Yes we need to be more incisive at home and take the shackles off.  I think we might just do that against Norwich.  I can see us beating them because we have better players.

You must look at the level of opposition before criticising.  I bet you didn't complain against Man C.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Ratings
« on: January 03, 2012, 10:55:48 PM »
Foster 8 - Superb command of the penalty area, important saves.
Jones 8 - Brilliant tracking of Bale, superb concentration, good on the ball.
Shorey 7.5 - Brilliant reading of the game, got down the left wing, poor corners.
Dawson 8 - Fantastic performance against world class centre forwards, vital interceptions, good distribution.
McAualey 8 - See above.
Thomas 5.5 - Not really in it, caused a dangerous free kick again.
Dorrans 6 - I think he covered a lot of ground and tried, doesn't look fit at this level.
Thorne 8 - Superb composure, great passing, didn't seem fazed.
Scharner 7.5 - Wholehearted, showed real character, full of running, gave his all.
Cox 6 - Really tried hard, didn't stamp his authority, not able to get away from players through pace or skill.
Odemwingie 7.5 - Real thankless task, hounded by 3 defenders when in possession, totally isolated.


Jara 8 - Very impressive, always willing to receive ball under pressure.
Morrison 7 - Not really enough time to influence game.
Tchoyi 7 - Added vital fresh legs, stretched them a little.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Simon Cox
« on: January 03, 2012, 10:40:36 PM »
Although having a fantastic attitude, Cox is not sharp enough at this level.  He neither has the pace or skill to beat players.  Surely Tchoyi is the better option at least he has pace and a willingness to run at defenders.  Thorne is better than Cox already.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 03, 2012, 10:33:08 PM »
Let's be realistic here.  We played an outstanding, title chasing side, away, with 7 (SEVEN) 1st teamers missing.  I thought the performance was outstanding.  We switched off only once and were punished.  I'm telling you now if Mowbray was managing that team tonight we'd have got spanked 5-0.  Instead we leave White Hart Lane with heads held high and more importantly confidence intact.

We've got some gems coming through in Jones, Thorne & Dawson.  At least Thorne can get round the pitch, certainly quicker than Brunt.  Jara Reyes played a blinder when he came on.

How anyone can be disappointed with that showing I'll never know.  They could win the league you know.

That said JP needs to dip into the market for quality.

Finally if Long is out Tchoyi needs 90 mins against both Cardiff & Norwich.  We need some directness in the team when playing inferior opposition at home. 

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Expectation of fans
« on: January 02, 2012, 12:42:22 PM »
In defence of Roy if you're building a house you do it from solid foundations, you don't build the house on sand which is what Mowbray (and to a lesser extent RDM) were doing. 

What Roy needs is to be supported by his chairman to add flair and quality to the solidness we already have.

I don't know about you but it used to fill me with rage us conceding free headers with the likes of Pele, Donk, Zuiverloon, Meite, Carson just rooted to the spot.  Teams never had to work to score.

Roy gets us to "stay in games" and "compete in games".  Under Mowbray we were blown away usually by half-time.

Excellent point made about Helguson & Holt scoring plenty, they're not exactly gifted strikers are they?

Bednar is probably on the same level as them.  Why not give Long a rest and see what the big man can do up to end of January?  If he makes no impact we could still part with him by January 31st either on loan or permanent.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Expectation of fans
« on: January 02, 2012, 08:41:40 AM »
It seems to me people want everything straight away and realistically it is not going to happen. weather people like it or not for at least the next 5 years if we are lucky enough to be in this league our aim at the start of the season will be to stay up.

Then at a time like now in the season we have to asses where we are again and at this moment my expectation is for us to mathmatically stay up with 2-3 games spare and feel comfortable with 5-6 games spare this year.

My ambition in the next five years though is to hopefully become a bit more competitive in cups, for instance quater final appearences and maybe even a semi final. Also maybe even a top half finish or 2 in there as well, Europe at this moment is just a very big dream but we are a lot closer at this time than ever in my life so who knows.

One thing I will say is that in the last few years I have realised how important having a good manager is in this league so hopefully Roy will sign a new contract or if not it is vital we get a good replacement in.

You mean get to a Carling Cup semi like Cardiff & Crystal Palace this season.  Are we measuring ourselves against these championhip outfits?

What I'm saying is that the teams that have finished between 7th & 10th say last 5 years aren't that good if you analyse it.  Take Everton are you telling me they're a good side after that dross yesterday?  They just hoofed it to Saha! 

And that's my point.  If we're pro-active in the transfer market it won't take much to outdo clubs like Everton.  Just because they're a "big club" it doesn't mean they're team is special.

O'Neill's Villa side weren't special either.  If we dumb down expectations we'll forever be looking over our shoulder at relegation IMO.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Expectation of fans
« on: January 01, 2012, 11:17:20 PM »
1) Local pride is at stake.  How good would it be to finish above Wolves & Villa?
2) As you've mentioned more SKY money.
3) Look when Blues beat Arsenal to win the league cup.
4) We had the chance to win FA cup when Pompey did.

So what dreams do you have as an Albion fan? 

Surely watching WBA in the Europa League would fill you with pride? 

I'm jealous when my dad tells me about Red Star & Valencia in 78/79.  I want a piece of that and I have to keep believing.

I don't see your point you might as well pack in if you haven't got these aspirations.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Hawthorns Atmosphere
« on: January 01, 2012, 11:05:19 PM »
Agreed.  I think we're a bigger club than those 3.  It hurts to see Wolves extending to 40,000 and us making do with 26,000 with hundreds / thousands of fans being priced out. 

I just think a poor atmosphere is a major factor why we have only scored 7.  Odemwingie's always trying to gee up the fans good on him for showing passion.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Hawthorns Atmosphere
« on: January 01, 2012, 10:56:56 PM »
Fair enough but we lag massively behind Stoke supporters in terms of noise.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Expectation of fans
« on: January 01, 2012, 10:55:19 PM »
Mate, do you really believe it doesn't matter whether it's 7th or 17th?

I'm glad you're not in our dressing room at 2.55pm on a saturday!

Surely sport is about winning not just competing?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Hawthorns Atmosphere
« on: January 01, 2012, 10:48:53 PM »
Atmosphere against Wigan 3pm Sat 10 Dec 2011 was appalling.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Predictions
« on: January 01, 2012, 10:29:07 PM »

my favourite team of 11/12 apart from and Albion.  I hope they win the league.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Hodgson's Comments
« on: January 01, 2012, 10:12:25 PM »
I agree 7 goals in 10 home games is not good enough.

I don't think our players are comfortable being "favourites" to win a match and for most home matches we start as favourites in terms of odds.

We tend to pull a result out when least expected e.g. Man U, Arsenal, Everton away 10/11.  Newcastle, Villa, away, Man C home 11/12.  When we expect to win we sometimes fail Wigan home example. 

The other problem of course is the shocking atmosphere at home sometimes equivalent to Wigan Athletic.  Look at some of the other stadiums which are like a cauldron.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Hodgson's Comments
« on: January 01, 2012, 09:46:34 PM »
If Odemwingie's 1 on 1 had been taken we'd have celebrated a 1-0 win probably and basked in another clean sheet, it's fine margins.

We know Roy's method is more succussful than RDM's over a long period.  Making us easy to score against will result in heavy defeats and a loss of confidence.

We badly missed Mulumbu & Olsson who'd both walk into Everton's team.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Ratings
« on: January 01, 2012, 09:36:03 PM »
Foster - 6 Nearly cost us a 1st half goal flapping but generally solid.
Jones - 7 Neat and tidy, at least has some pace.
Shorey - 6 Neat and tidy, decent positional play.
McAuley - 7 Competent in heading away Everton constant hoofs, rarely tested on the ground.
Dawson - 7 see above.
Thomas - 8 Our best player on the day, provided our only genuine threat, at least he asked Everton questions.
Brunt  - 4 Game passed him by, failed to stamp his authority, no killer passes.
Morrison - 6 Got better as match wore on, was off-the-pace early on but more involved later.
Scharner - 3 Abysmal display, way too slow, no contribution.
Long - 5 Needs a rest, doesn't look a goal threat, on the periphery.
Odemwingie - 5 Missed a golden chance at 0-0, other than that rarely appeared.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Squad depth
« on: January 01, 2012, 09:18:04 PM »
It's better to have 18 quality players than 28 mediocre ones.

The problem is JP is obsessed with making profit on every single player.  Guys like Fortune, Bednar, Mattock, Cox etc should depart and quality should be brought in.

Other clubs would sell the above for nominal fees, take the financial hit and back themselves to sign quality replacements.  What's the point in these guys drawing a wage just for training action only?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Expectation of fans
« on: January 01, 2012, 09:08:57 PM »
I think we need to be more vocal at home matches.

In the big picture I think most WBA fans see an opportunity to "be something" again after years in the doldrums.  It's about time we had "our moment in the sun".

We need to grasp the nettle and be ambitious.  What's the point of being in this league otherwise?

The dividing line between 8th and 20th league is small.  I thought Everton were garbage and I'm not bitter just calling it as I see it.

WBA fans on the whole are pretty smart and know this is easily the best team since the early 80's.  Expectations rise accordingly.

Any manager takes time to work out a squads capabilities.  And now Roy knows full well we're carrying too many championship standard players.

So what happened with Robson & Mowbray could happen again.  Roy doesn't need this hassle at 64.  If we regress from last year's 11th in May 2012 then I think he'll retire or join a more ambitious club.

So it's in Peace's hands either stick or twist.  He's already paying Odemwingie 40k so putting up the shutters for Jan window wouldn't make sense.

Everton are usually nailed on for 7th and 8th and you saw how poor they are so actually it won't mean investing zillions just 2 or 3 quality players on a par with Foster, Olsson, Mulumbu and Odem.

I'd rather we risked constructing an exciting team than scraping to 15th every season.  In fact I'd proabably enjoy being a top championship team over 15th so for me it's a no brainer.

We don't want to go back to the inexperienced brigade again of Mowbray or Di Matteo as we'll go back to being tanked 3-1 regularly.  Roy's management has probably given us an extra 5/6 points over 1st half of 2011/12.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Midfield Without Mulumbu
« on: January 01, 2012, 03:16:26 PM »
As a unit they're just not good enough.  We lost the midfield battle and made Everton look like Real Madrid.  We just haven't got enough pace in there.

If Mulumbu is absent we must play 4-5-1 to make up for the lack of speed as stated above.  Long is starting to fade a bit in my opinion (although I still rate him).

If Roy stcks with 4-4-2 why not try Thorne?  How will you ever know if he's good enough?  Scharner was a carthorse today.  I think Mulumbu is world class or very near to it.

If Everton were good I wouldn't mind but I thought they were awful as well.  Today reminded me of the Premier days under Mowbray where we passed the ball to death at a snails pace!

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