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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: January 20, 2021, 12:45:02 PM »
I agree that we can't play Livermore and Sawyers together in this division and remain competetive.   The lack of a DCM needs to be addressed in the short and medium term but let's hope it is in this window. A midfield of say Chowdray, Gallacher, Snodders, Grosicki and Pez is a different beast to the one we are putting out.   Livermore and Sawyers become part of a stronger unit.

I do however think a new CF is equally important in this set up.   BS wants the ball played forward quicker and to play more in the opponents final third.   At the moment there is no target man so we are having to play channel balls and anything p!ayed centrally is coming straight back, particularly from those clearing punts forward.   A target man up front who can hold the ball up and battle for possession allows the whole team to move forward as a unit and brings our attacking players into the game in the right areas.  Doesn't need to be a prolific scorer, which is fortunate as we couldn't afford or attract one, but someone who can bring others into play and also offer a threat at set pieces. Kevin Davies won an England cap playing this role for BS back in the day.  This isn't a like for like replacement for Robinson but a completely different role.   I would expect the likes of Robinson and Grant to be given opportunities to support from wide positions.

Personally I think we are at least a CB, RB, DCM and CF short of giving ourselves any chance of survival.  However if we can address the deficiencies in the DCM and CF positions it will balance out the squad in readiness for next year regardless of division.

WHU won the midfield battle and pushed JL/RS back 10 or 15 yards, so they were sitting close to the centre backs.  By continuing with JL/RS in future matches and prioritising a battering ram striker, we'll be playing like a League 1 team.  This is not the way to play in the Premier League.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: January 20, 2021, 07:19:25 AM »
Provide a target, hold the ball up, pose a threat at set pieces both ends.   Robinson works hard, makes good runs and closes down well but offers non of those qualities. 

BS will be looking for a unit to play up top.

I'm talking about priority areas for a club that has limited capital.

Yes we could improve Ajayi, Bartley, Robinson and the guy that replaces himoff the bench that does nothing.  How much money is this going to cost, a lot probably?

It's clear to me THE WEAKEST 2 players are Sawyers and Livermore.  Therefore if we have limited money and limited personnel changes, this needs to be addressed ASAP.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: January 19, 2021, 10:07:23 PM »
I fail to see what a new striker will do other than what Robinson is already doing?  The guy is feeding off scraps most of the time.

You have to play Livermore and Sawyers together with Gallagher just to shore things up further, that's where you're missing a 2nd striker, in the need to play both JL and RS.

A Goalkeeper doesn't even relate to 5% of our problems in my view.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: January 19, 2021, 09:50:46 PM »
He's lost concentration to the tune of (and this is a conservative estimate on my part) 15 of the 43 goals we've conceded this season.

OK Ajayi is prone to conceding goals, agreed.  But he is still better than Ivanovic.  Kipre is an unknown quantity.

My view is that the Defence are put under too much pressure because we have poor quality in central midfield.

We simply don't retain possession for long enough, don't carve out enough genuine goalscoring chances and most noticeably do an awful job in screening the defence.

The highly rated Evans, McAauley, Olssob had 3 top quality screening midfielders in Mulumbu, Yacob, Scharner.

We cannot delay any longer in bringing in a better CM, otherwise we have no chance.  Livermore and Sawyers wouldn't get in any other team in the division.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: January 19, 2021, 09:29:39 PM »
Ajayi is a conundrum for Sam Allardyce. He's a massive threat from an attacking point of view but he's an abysmal centre back. Sam I think will back himself (and Sammy Lee) to improve him as a defender rather than discard him and his goal threat.

At times he loses concentration.  He is the best athlete at the club, his pace at times does help enormously, especially when you consider the other CB candidates are Bartley, O'Shea, Ivanovic.  No way does he deserve to be dropped IMO.

In the make up of our team, the problem area shines like a beacon - central midfield.  As SA has limited funds this is the area to be addressed.  Quality midfielders will allow us to occupy the opposition in their half and take the stress off the defence.  You won't be worrying about our centre backs if we are the team in possession and threatening the opposition!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: January 19, 2021, 09:16:42 PM »
Ajayi and Bartley are nowhere near the level we need.  Time and time again they give away cheap fouls, ball watch, fail to head it clear, hoof it to noone.  They seem to get an easy rise and we blame the midfield for us being poor defensively.

If you watch the matches our defenders are closed down so quickly by the opposition, often the midfield don't present for the ball.  Livermore is sitting just in front of the defence, he simply doesn't have the energy to support the attack, plus his passing is generally poor.  Sawyers is more comfortable on the ball but this more languid approach is.not good, not great at tackling.

I don't really know what we're criticising Ajayi and Bartley for?  If the midfield don't show for the ball, they have no option but to play it long.  Ajayi has scored 3 vital goals, Bartley is massively improved since the early days in the Championship.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: January 19, 2021, 08:10:31 PM »
Allardyce needs to buy 2 central midfielders, that's it.  Defence battled away manfully.  Robinson has good skill, pace, hold up play and is often battling 2 or 3 defenders.

We lost V WHU in Central midfield as they had a lot more quality.

Sawyers and Livermore tried 100%, simply not good enough either of them, shouldn't be starting in this league.

Go and get the Turkish fella and Choudhry!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: January 17, 2021, 01:03:28 PM »
If Allardyce stays with us for any length of time, it will be the best thing to happen to this club since Hodgson. I find it baffling how any of our supporters could turn their noses up at a proven manager who gets it done time after time. He needs time to build his own squad and undo the problems caused by Bilic and Dowlings recruitment decisions. He literally is the only shot we had/have at survival. Back him, we stay up, don't back him, we go down. It's that simple. It's about time this guy got the credit he has deserved based on his record over a very long time.

I'm backing Allardyce, over the moon with yesterday and. Ore positive going into Tuesday.

However, I completely reject this notion that Bilic has wasted huge amounts of money.  The board hardly gave him any funds back in the Summer to improve the squad.

Maybe if Bilic was still here he wouldn't strengthened the midfield based on the 1st half of the season, we shall never know.

Bilic in some cases has signed good players for transfer fee involved.  Furlong 1.1m, Ajayi  1.5m, Pereira 8.5m, Grosicki 0.9m, Robinson for effectively 2.0m.

I guess you are alluding to Diangana for 18.0m.  I think he'll still come good, has all the talent.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: match officials
« on: January 17, 2021, 11:10:06 AM »
Keep these officials on WBA matches for the rest of the season!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: January 16, 2021, 05:33:57 PM »
Cheers to you too mate, mine will be a coffee sadly  ;D

Dry January?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: January 16, 2021, 05:31:02 PM »
We battered Everton? No point debating any of the rest because that is absolute pie in the sky. We're all entitled to our opinions but come on mate.

I don't think its right to state due 1 point at MU and that's all I'm going to say on it.

We agree to disagree, and we'll draw a line under it on this historic evening, no desire to fall out with a fellow WBA fan on today of all days!

I toast a beer to you!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chances of survival
« on: January 16, 2021, 05:17:51 PM »
We will go down unless we get a decent midfield partner for Gallagher.

Get a good quality midfielder and there maybe a decent upswing in performance/results?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: January 16, 2021, 05:05:42 PM »
Chelsea's last goal was clear handball.  Definitely cost us 2 points.  Man Utd & Crystal Palace could potentially have been 6 points.  We would have gone up 0-1 at OT, with Utd playing poorly, game was totally in balance.  CP we were on top at the time of Pereira's absolutely ludicrous red card.  Everton, we battered them first half 1-2, not a given that Everton would even win.

I want us to succeed under Allardyce.  In contrast, mystifying why you dismiss the VAR claims under Bilic?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: January 16, 2021, 04:49:31 PM »
This part is absolute nonsense.

No mate, you obviously didn't watch the following games under Bilic's reign:

Everton (A)
Chelsea (H)
Man Utd (A)
Crystal Palace (H)

No one is more happy than me about today, we were awarded 2 penalties, which was just incredible, never ever has that happened to WBA in the Premier League

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: January 16, 2021, 04:39:07 PM »
I think that is right. However the difficulty today was that Traore and Netto had the beating of O'Shea and Gibbs all day long. They were just too quick and skilful for them, so on numerous occasioned wolves got in behind of us and put in dangerous crosses. Hence we lost the corner count 11-0. We did our best to try to double up on their wide players but that did leave us a exposed in the middle. So your right that Livermore and Sawyers didn't at times screen the defence but they were also outnumbered at times as well. We definitely need to strengthen further, at full back, central midfield and we need a powerful goalscorer up top as well. Allardyce knows we need to strengthen, but our meagre budget is holding us back, as it did with Bilic.

Great post. 

When all is said and done Bilic led us to 7pts from 13 games, which should've been 12 or 13 with VAR factored in.

The budget is a joke, and the usual squabbling over wages means waiting for 31 Jan again.  It's almost like the board want us to go down.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: January 16, 2021, 04:00:22 PM »
Congrats to Allaradyce on today.  I'm just over the moon to beat them lot, when I expected an absolute drumming, not just a single goal defeat.

When the dust settles, we have still conceded too many shots on our own goal again.  I have been going on for weeks/months that the main problem is Livermore/Sawyers and the penny is now dropping with most of the fanbase.

We don't need a striker and any 2 centre backs from Ajayi/Bartley/O'Shea gives us enough.

I still stand by the point, SA should've signed a CM from League 1 for a nominal fee in the absence of Gallagher.  Sawyers shouldn't be playing.  Any further injury to Gallagher and we're in trouble.

By all means sign Choudhry (if at all it'll be on 31 Jan).  We were exposed for this game.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: January 16, 2021, 11:53:29 AM »
Where is Johnstone today?

Krov named on the bench?  I thought the club had agreed on a Split to Hadjuk?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Kenneth Zohore
« on: January 16, 2021, 10:34:35 AM »
Zohore has limitations, no doubt.  Allardyce will be a fan of his muscular physique no doubt.

When on song he is comfortably better than Robson-Kanu. 

HRK's lack of pace is a major problem, I remember Mar-Antoine Fortune ending up at Southend, as his lack of pace restricted him to play at that level.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chances of survival
« on: January 14, 2021, 02:06:26 PM »
How do you know he hasn’t taken a punt with players? How do you think he hasn’t gone and said ‘these are the players we want’?

That is literally all Allardyce can do, it’s then up to the rest. It’s not like Football Manager where the manager sticks a bid in and does the negotiated.

Leeds debacle gave major evidence that players were needed, that was 29/12/20.

Where is the pre-planning?  It was abvious WW away on 16/1/21 we needed probably 3 signings.

We have had over 2 weeks to deliver.

WHU away is looming in 5 days.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Luke Dowling
« on: January 14, 2021, 01:59:12 PM »
Had over 2 weeks since the Leeds debacle to get players incoming.

If Allardyce thought everything was rosy post Liverpool, he had a nasty sharp sharp shock v Leeds and Arsenal days later reinforced it.

To not have players signed in time for Molineux, is shocking in my view.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chances of survival
« on: January 14, 2021, 07:14:58 AM »
It's virtually all over.

No worries, we've probably got Livermore & Sawyers running out the tunnel at Molineux in 48 hrs as the midfield axis.

As I've said even if Allardyce had took a punt on players it would have seen like something is happening.  That said Allardyce said himself there was enough quality here already to keep us. 

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: January 13, 2021, 10:07:06 PM »
Harbouring hopes of a win with Livermore &  Sawyers in the team.

It's just not going to happen.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: January 13, 2021, 08:00:58 PM »
Putting words in my proverbial mouth there chap. Not once have I said previous matches don’t count.

I also think that you’re missing my point completely. I’m saying what my expectations are of SA or any manager, as in what I’d hope to see. I’m not by any means saying that will happen.

And what I’m also saying is for me, I wanted to give him time to settle in and the team to transition. And that time spell is getting close to being over and this is when I expect to see progress. Maybe I should use the phrase “hope for” instead.

What transition spell?  The previous games weren't friendlies!  The AV game was something like 19th Dec.  From then on it goes against Allardyce's record.

So if we'd have won all 5 games so far instead of 2 draws and 3 thrashings that wouldn't count either as it was the transition phase?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Allardyce
« on: January 13, 2021, 07:19:44 PM »
Oh I’m not being optimistic, I’m stating what my expectations are of a manager that’s had a month with the squad and a week to prepare and has one of his own signings in. I’ve given him a chance and he still has more of January for me but I do expect an improvement now.

Oh how convenient to say all the previous matches don't count.  So who carries the can for Leeds 0-5, Arsenal 0-4 and  Blackpool 2-2?  Why are we now counting all the upcoming matches but not before?

Allardyce has had a lifetime in football.  You'd have thought he'd have a wealth of ideas to get us going in the right direction. 

I glossed over AV in game 1 (VAR impacted), fantastic v Liverpool in game 2.  And post Anfield I just thought he might do something.  The performances v Leeds, Arsenal, Blackpool were a disgrace, nothing less.

On what basis do we expect performances to improve with just Snodgrass and Grosicki?  I'd be amazed if we go under the x3 GA average in the next 3 matches.

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