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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Who's starting to become resigned
« on: December 28, 2017, 09:02:42 PM »
Game to game I would certainly say I was in the 'resigned' camp, due to the lack of goals we've been scoring, conceding late goals and losing points from winning positions...and of course the current 18 game run without a win.

However football as we know it is a game of fine margins. When you look back at the results we were not far from being 4-10 points better off (Stoke at home, Watford, Newcastle, Palace and Everton to name a few).

I know its all ifs, buts and maybes but I feel if we can address the goal scoring problem and get that bit of luck which seems to have deserted us since Burnley away we can dig ourselves out of this.

We are hardly the whipping boys of the division and performances have been getting better but we need to start picking up three points NOW.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: July 08, 2015, 08:22:05 AM »
Some of you may recognise me from being a regular poster on here up until me moving to Hong Kong a couple of years ago but seeing as I'm on the door step to China I have spoken with some friends about these murmurs and thought I'd share what I learnt about Wang Jianlin and wider to that the context of why he'd be interested in buying a club in the PL.

Football believe it or not is very high on the agenda for the ruling Communist party in China at the moment. It's the biggest sport in the world and they see it as a big opportunity for their ambition to become the number one super power in the world. They have plans to host a world cup in the foreseeable future and it's the governments aim to make it the number one sport in China but they do understand people need to take an active interest in the sport before they are able grow the talent closer to home. Investing in the EPL and exposing the mainland to this would be a must to grow interest.

Jilanlin himself is a member of the Communist Party, his Dad was even in Mao's Red Army, and he has remit from President Xi Jinping to invest in football overseas. If it's to happen Jilanlin will be the first mainland Chinese PL owner. He's not shy to make it known he's loaded so be sure he'll invest in the club. One issue might be on the playing side, they might want to use the club to channel Chinese players through which could be a bit of a disaster knowing the lack of quality but that remains to be seen.

Anyway I'm very excited to see this happen if it's true. Knowing how bullish the Chinese are and their ambitions to be number one I think it can only be a good think to see us advance as a club. He won't be investing to come 2nd best against the Arab's or the Yanks but will have expectations from the China to make their mark.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: FA Cup Round 6 - Aston Villa (A)
« on: February 16, 2015, 07:46:35 PM »
Cracking draw. Fancy us to at least get a draw there. Thing we'll do them in the replay  :P

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Biggest game of the season so far
« on: January 06, 2015, 12:26:22 AM »
Need I say more let's make some noise. Play the liquidator for starters

Massive game, be great if the club decided to play the Liquidator as they did latter end of last season to get the crowd up for it.

New man in charge, fresh optimism, hopefully a full ground and cracking atmosphere. Can't wait.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: January 04, 2015, 04:13:46 PM »
I've been back in the UK for the Christmas period from living in HK the past year and a half. I was at the game against Man City and couldn't believe the negativity surrounding the club and how flat the atmosphere was. Really got me down and was so sad to see having left the UK and my season ticket (7 years in the BRE) with the club finishing 8th under Clarke.

Had no plans to make the Hull after my first taste of Irvine but the Pulis appointment has got me really excited to be at the Hawthorns once more! Really believe this has the opportunity to galvanize the club.

Just hope the fans respond, turn up in numbers and really get behind the team for this, massive game.

COYB!!!

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: July 08, 2014, 06:24:17 PM »
I'm sorry but for all the 'positive publicity' spin the club seem to have been following up since this appointment from 'through thick or thin' slogans on Facebook for the launch of the to whisping Lescott in front of the cameras as quick as they could isn't really consoling me on the situation.

Thinking about it today really compounded the fact as much as Peace or Burton wan't to bang on about Irvine being "one of the best coaches around' doesn't really buy with me. Irvine is not even worthy of a Championship managerial role, let alone Premier League 'Head Coach'. Those of you that argue the point, 'well we do hire head coaches, not managers anymore' is a completely invalid viewpoint. Are you telling me the best of what's out there or even Tim Sherwood on that same note can't coach?

Of course not, so who's not to imply we should of taken the best manager out there and put them under a head coach role. All they have to focus on is the coaching? None of that transfer business to worry about. And thats where the problem lies because thats Peace's call, scrutinising every penny that is paid out of the club.

The head coach role would work if our Chairman didn't have to be so tight. It just so happens to be the falling block all the time. Whether thats bringing in the right quality player or coach, we seem to  too often just get second best.

From where I'm looking, it's Peace's dictatorship over the purse strings is why we've ended up with the 'Yes Man' puppet of a head coach to just coach and always accept the way things are.

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General Football & Sports / Re: Alan Irvine sacked by Albion
« on: June 15, 2014, 08:19:12 PM »
It's been a good year I think since my last post on here after emigrating out the country and having to observe everything from the outside through media and now really lacking being part of Albion as much as I was for the past 10 seasons I had following the club home and away, but the news on Alan Irvine's appointment has really made me so livid I feel I have to take it out on here.

How on earth can a manager of Irvine's track record at Sheffield Wednesday and PNE ever merit him landing a Premier League managerial position? It's outstanding. I wouldn't be surprised if most Championship football fans were disappointed in this as an appointment for them. It stinks of 'lack of ambition' and again show's Peace to be the penny pinching accountant he truly is. How is this guy ever going to take us forward, how is he the person to rebuild a premier league team from scratch an, get them organised and  get them winning again?

Yet another 'Yes' man to shove in front of the camera's and downgrade our club as something not worth of the Premier League; 'a team punching above their weight'; well Peace will sure have his wish and will be reaping the consequences of losing those riches come next May.

And for the disappointment of those 16,000 naive fans that trusted Peace to turn things around, give us some optimism, give us some hope and a appointment to rally the players and fans alike then appoint nothing more than a puppet coach; shame on you sir, shame on you!

No, it was never Moyes fellow Baggies, we were only ever good enough for his assistant. We wouldn't of minded the Premier League Blackburn winning captain, instead we get the Insurance Broker from Queens Park. SOS.


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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Head Coach - PEPE MEL
« on: December 16, 2013, 04:42:33 PM »
How about Eddie Howe at Bournemouth? Worked wonders on a shoestring budget there.

Also a likeable and endearing guy who would go down well with the fans.

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Eddie Howe. Worked wonders at clubs with very little resources; seems the kind of guys players love to play for being the likeable guy he is.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Disenchantment
« on: June 02, 2013, 02:02:48 PM »
Sorry to hear this. Goes to show where the supporters stand in the pecking order of importance to the club.

I thought the whole point of spending the millions they did on the refurb of the Halfords was to create extra capacity for media there. Seems strange for them to have another separate gantry in the Birmingham Road.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Stadium Expansion
« on: June 01, 2013, 06:33:36 PM »
Agreed.

I've renewed our two tickets as usually but at the moment the Club is only geared to attract the 'usual' fans (season ticket holders and members) and they seem to little to try and attract the peripheral fans or expand the fan base by high profile marketing. I suspect this is because there is little point in trying to attract more when the home support is running at over 95% capacity !  Basically, there is little scope to market to families , groups etc as the blocks of decent seats together rarely exist at the stadium most match days.

Now really is the ideal time to speculative a LITTLE and get the capacity up to a still modest 30k (any respectable Prem team should have this as a minimum).

Near to me, Derby County do a fantastic promotion to keep their gates relatively high despite mediocrity season after season - they are always having marketing campaigns (eg for the coming season you can see buses and billboards carrying their lastest 'Derby DNA' slogan around the area).

WBA are the top Midlands club at present so it's about we started acting that way !

I agree completely.

I don't understand why so many fans on here are happy for the club to sit on their hands and accept that we can only ever attract the stable hardcore fans that we've already got rather than use the initiatives you talk about to see how we can expand on that.

Were not even talking about a large scale expansion. 4,000 seats is hardly massive. The ground seated just over 28,000 5 years ago before we started ripping out seats to make it 26,000 and we filled that so why couldn't we ever fill that 2,000 surplus from before?

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Stadium Expansion
« on: May 31, 2013, 07:28:03 PM »
I don't think the decision would ever be made for substantial financial gain, which proves why Peace is dithering about it. The only financial gain would be higher assets on the balance sheet and a slight increase in gate receipts, which Political Cake states. It should be whether the club can afford it, that's what matters to me.

God help us all if all we care about is the 'sky money'.

This is about making the ground more attractive, putting a bit more pride in to the ground, giving the ticket office more flexibility with prices/ away allocations and making the Hawthorns a slightly more intimidating place for opposing teams to play at.




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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Stadium Expansion
« on: May 30, 2013, 08:36:29 PM »
As you have said
 "I certainly dont think it would bankrupt a club run by one of the most astute businessmen in the game".

JP is a astute businessman and most people like yourself say he knows what he is doing. Well if that is the case why question him about a Stadium Expansion that he clearly doesn't want at this moment.

I'd never question what Peace has overseen on the financial and playing side of the club but in terms of 'off the field' activities I think we've stood still in time.

The training ground is smalltime, the stadium (Halfords Lane in particular) needs work and brand Albion doesn't seem to exist. We can't even fulfill programmes people pre-ordered a fortnight ago!

Of course all these things should always be bottom of the priority list but we are going to get left behind if we continue the way we are going.

This is why it really annoys me when people seem to always bring up the 'look at what building a new stand did to Wolves' when it falls under a complete different department of the club.

It just so happens we are good at one (playing side) and they're good at the other (off field).  ;D

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Stadium Expansion
« on: May 28, 2013, 01:50:40 PM »
Maybe its just me or is there anyone else starting to believe that Peace has decided against a new stand because he is waiting for the new potential safe standing I can really see us going for this if standing is to be brought back its a perfect way for Peace to expand the capacity without building a new stand....thoughts ?
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/exclusive-championship-clubs-set-to-push-for-safestanding-trials-8626274.html

As much as I'd love to see safe standing at the Hawthorns I can't ever see Peace sanctioning it. We've gone too far down the 'family club' route with officials even going to the extent of banning our club anthem the liquidator.


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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: soccernomics
« on: May 27, 2013, 08:46:42 PM »
Yes, think we had a thread on this before. It's the whole 'moneyball' story of doing things by stats.

Liverpool have claimed to be the 'moneyball' team of the Premier League, hard to believe with the money they've wasted on the likes of Caroll.

Considering we've finished 8th with the 2nd smallest spend this season you would have to say it's us.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: 45 Years Ago Today
« on: May 18, 2013, 03:43:25 PM »
I wonder if the people there then would say if we told them in 45 years time we wouldn't have won any other major trophies  :(

Lets hope we can win something before it gets to 50 years.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Predictions
« on: May 17, 2013, 12:31:09 PM »
WBA 1 Man Utd 3 (RVP first goalscorer)

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It was said that Mourinho has been a long term admirer of Lukaku so if he does go back there he might just be given a chance in their squad for next season. At the very least I expect him to stay at Chelsea for pre-season so the new manager can have a look at the whole squad, not so sure we will be willing to wait until the end of the window to find out if he will be made available for loan again.

Possibly. But is Lakaku good enough to be picked ahead of Ba or Torres yet? And that's without mentioning the likes of Falco or Levondoski who may even join Chelsea in the summer.

Personally I think he will be loaned out again next season. It's easy to forget this guy is only 19 years old. Whether its us or another club elsewhere he will be better playing regularly than sat on the bench back at Chelsea.

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Mourinho going to Chelsea wouldn't harm our chances of getting him for another year at all.
Especially with Clarke's history with him.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Steve Clarke Sacked by Albion
« on: May 13, 2013, 11:23:28 PM »
Although I haven't been Clarke's biggest fan this season it would be unfair for any suggestions for him to be dismissed without having had a proper chance to bring some fresh players in.

Lets not forget how long it took for us to appoint him last summer. It was virtually pre-season by the time he got behind his desk.

For me the eyes of the fans should be firmly set on Peace and Garlick this summer. It's up to them to part with some cash and bring some quality in.

I think peoples admiration for Peace has gone too far the one way that he has now become blameless.

Let the Wolves be the example; we can't let our squad stagnate, blame the manager like they did with Mick, pay the price then see the true culprit was the chairman for not investing in squad enough.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Stadium Expansion
« on: May 13, 2013, 11:04:06 PM »
rubbish.....in the hey days we never got 30,000. Need to be more realistic

That was in the late 70's at the earliest though. The population in the local area has grown by a third since then and although we've most probably lost a lot of fans in the immediate surrounding area due to the demographic changes in West Brom we are now pulling in our highest and most consistent attendances in our history.

I think our problem is that we don't attract enough of the local population to attend matches unike Wolves who have groups like Punjabi Wolves who are a great example of a group making football more cohesive.

We have no family initiatives. Not even a family area like so many other clubs. We need to make it more attractive to the wider audience and not just adopt this 'come if you please' policy.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next seasons target.
« on: May 12, 2013, 10:58:18 PM »
If we can't manage 50 points this season there's flippin no chance of getting it next year.

For starters you can take Lakau's 14 goals and 4 assist's off our goal tally because there's a fat chance he won't be here next season.

40 point target for me, with hopefully a good cup run. Wouldn't surprise me if finish next season with a different head coach though.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Should I be worried?
« on: May 12, 2013, 07:51:50 PM »
I don't think we will know until 10 games into next season where we stand to be honest.

Since the Swansea game away November last year we've been dreadful. Whether that's something to do with the lack of depth in the squad or Clarke's tactical approach I'm not sure; probably is a bit of both.

Anyhow it needs to be addressed because if we start next season like we have ended this one it's going to be one long scrap.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Programme
« on: May 11, 2013, 08:43:36 PM »

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Stadium Expansion
« on: May 11, 2013, 12:34:45 AM »

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