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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System tactics personnel
« on: October 06, 2019, 12:21:55 PM »

The other personnel change is the ongoing inclusion of Ferguson ahead of Gibbs. Primarily a defender Ferguson's inclusion allows us to play a back 3 in possession and gives licence for the opposite full back Furlong to play as auxiliary winger. With Phillips moving inside this leaves a big gap down our right side which is patrolled by Ajayi and Livermore (one of the reasons why Bilic won't drop Krovinovic back into the double pivot) 

I have been thinking that we will need Gibbs back, especially for home games, but this was a pretty exciting development especially yesterday. It meant that Phillips was then coming off of his flank and offering a threat in behind, something Austin does not. It means the other defence may retreat a few yards, giving Pereira and Diangana even more room to produce their magic. It is pleasing to see ongoing tweaks and improvements addressing issues, long may it continue.

Last Match Forum - 05/10 Cardiff City (H) / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: October 03, 2019, 11:12:15 AM »
Gibbs, Edwards and Austin in for Ferguson, Phillips and Robson-Kanu for me. Expect us to have a lot of the ball so would prefer Gibbs to Ferguson at left back and am never convinced by Phillips playing three games in a week.

Last Match Forum - 01/10 Leeds United (A) / Re: After Match Debate
« on: October 02, 2019, 10:23:37 AM »
I am as pleased as you can be following a defeat; we went away to the best team in the league and it could have gone either way. On top of this, we played with verve and attacking intent and we are starting to see some tangible improvement and quality of some of our newer players - namely Ajayi and Pereira.

Looking at area for improvement, obviously the centre forward position is one. I see the logic of playing a forward with mobility last night but neither Robson-Kanu or Zohore were up to it and looking at the season as a whole, I haven't been impressed with Austin either. Hopefully one of them finds form and adapts to the system better after the international break. As mentioned elsewhere, hegazi will be an upgrade on Bartley. I thought last night showed that Gibbs will still be valuable at left back, especially in home games and when we are chasing a game, I thought Ferguson was average on the ball yesterday. Finally we do press high and sometimes leave gaps outside of our double pivot which sawyers in particular continually gets dragged across to and then loses his man running off the back of him. I think Sawyers will need better defensive discipline in certain games. Going forward, I am happy with sawyers as the heartbeat of our team as he is superb on the ball but we may need to upgrade Livermore; whilst he has slimmed down and become more mobile, he isn't and has never been an elite ball winner and longer term that is probably what we need alongside Sawyers.

Yesterday definitely signalled to me though that we will be top 6 and can definitely push for top 2. An exciting season in store.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Kyle Bartley
« on: October 02, 2019, 10:06:10 AM »
Fine as a starter for most in this league. Fortunately we have a better player to come and replace him, he will be an adequate backup after the international break.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Hal Robson-Kanu
« on: October 02, 2019, 10:02:55 AM »
To be honest all three strikers look below what we need.

I think this is it really. Playing a striker with more mobility and in theory better hold up play than Austin last night was a logical move but we know Robson-Kanu's limitations and Zohore also does not seem to have the right mentality or ruthless streak to be the man either.

Last Match Forum - 01/10 Leeds United (A) / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: October 01, 2019, 02:21:03 PM »
I am nervous about this game, we will be subjected to a pressing game that undid us last season and we can expect no less tonight.

This is why I would be starting Zohore or Robson-Kanu so that we can put the ball down the channels on occasion too.

Last Match Forum - 28/09 Queens Park Rangers (A) / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: September 27, 2019, 01:40:54 PM »





Bond, Furlong, O'Shea, Harper, Krovinovic, Edwards, Zohore

I'd pick the team above with the intention of picking the team below against Leeds. I'd be surprised if the Leeds game doesn't impact Bilic's thinking for Saturday. against Leeds I would want Krovinovic in for his pressing and ability to keep possession and Zohore or Robson-Kanu in up top to have the ability to run the channels and exploit the space Leeds will leave.






Bond, Gibbs, O'Shea, Harper, Phillips, Diangana, Austin

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: September 19, 2019, 10:39:32 AM »
It would be very harsh on Ferguson if he were to be dropped. As much as I like Gibbs he is very suspect defensively at times.

It is certainly true but for a home game with the onus on us to attack, I'd prefer Gibbs and Furlong down the flanks.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: September 18, 2019, 04:31:15 PM »
Difficult to judge our team in relation to the opposition as they are under new management. I think I would go:






Bond, Ferguson, Brunt, Harper, Phillips, Edwards, Austin

Furlong has the edge over Ferguson in home games for me and would love to see him overlapping Pereira, with Pereira cutting in. Krovinovic tends to drift wide left naturally there would be space for that.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Jake Livermore
« on: September 06, 2019, 09:39:24 AM »
To be honest, I think he's doing better in part because he's trimmer and more athletic. He was carrying a lot of muscle the last 2 years, but seems to have trimmed down, and is quicker and more mobile because of it.

This is certainly helping and he says as much himself in that interview.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: August 22, 2019, 02:54:51 PM »
In reference to the debate as to who is to blame for the goal, it is Sawyers who should be closing him down. He receives the ball inside of Phillips and it is not unreasonable for Phillips to expect one of the central midfielders would be occupying and defending that space. Sawyers had the momentum and was travelling in the direction whilst Livermore was a little way off.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Filip Krovinovic (on loan from Benfica)
« on: August 22, 2019, 11:36:07 AM »
Like his linking of play but would like to see him further up the pitch to do more damage.

Him and sawyers have helped us be more on front foot but I think we need to find a way of him moving into more attacking positions, especially at home

I agree that our number 10 needs to be more attacking and threatening the goal but is that Krovinovic's strength. I think he may be better playing and attacking from deep, he really does remind me of Koren.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System tactics personnel
« on: August 22, 2019, 10:32:08 AM »
First time seeing us in the flesh last night; we look good to me and I echo what others have said regarding getting better once team-mates get acclimatised to one another and certain players are up to match fitness. I did have a few thoughts on both personnel and the current system though:

Centre Forward - For me the weak point in our team currently. Austin isn't match fit yet and I hope that he will be a threat and goalscorer once he achieves this. I have always had a sneaky suspicion that perhaps he is not quite at the level to be effective for us but I won't be writing him off so soon. Zohore looked decent last night and hopefully with confidence and a better understanding with his team-mates he can become the striker we need.

Number 10 position - Is Krovinovic the man? To me he looks better suited as an 8 and attacking from deep. He doesn't look to have particularly great shooting technique and when playing as a 10 rarely looks to go beyond the striker and make himself a goal scoring threat. I think we need this threat from our number 10 as we play with a deep double pivot, full backs that aren't gung-ho and wide players that generally stay wide so we need those numbers and threat in the box. This would take the burden off of the centre forward also. However, Krovinovic as a 10 is very good at initiating the press which is something we could lose if say an Edwards or Pereira plays in there.

Defensively - I think we look ok defensively. We have conceded from set-pieces this year but we control the ball most of the time and look ok. Where I felt we had problems last night was that Reading were exposing the space either side of Livermore and Sawyers in behind our wide players. Either Livermore or Sawyers vacated the central zone which left gaps or the full backs pushed out which left gaps in behind. A potential solution could be switching from a 4-2-3-1 to a 4-3-3 which would cover more space in the central part of the pitch. I think we have the personnel to do it in there with Sawyers, Krovinovic, Livermore and Harper as options. It might also be a way to accommodate the lack of legs that both Brunt and Barry (when he is re-signed) have at this stage of their respective careers.

It might be that the suggestions above are  all tweaks we have in our armoury depending on match and opposition. Last night was the first time that Bilic has gone to a double pivot of ball-playing, attack minded players when he dropped Krovinovic in alongside Sawyers so it would pleasing to see a little innovation if only personnel based at this stage.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: August 22, 2019, 10:14:42 AM »
My outlook is more positive than some of the comments on here. My viewpoint is that we are gradually improving and expect us to get better as our players get a better understanding of one another and the system.

I was pleased with Bilic's changes, I thought they were logical and well-timed, he didn't panic. I thought we controlled the game, created chances and looked dangerous whilst being fairly solid defensively. On expected goals it was WBA 2.08 v 0.64 REA which backs that up.

I feel like we are a striker away; hopefully that will be Austin when match fit (which he currently isn't) or Zohore when he is confident and familiar with those around him.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Team
« on: August 19, 2019, 10:41:50 AM »
I agree with the principle above of having Furlong in for Ferguson for games where we will be needing to break down a deep defence so would probably bring him in for Reading although they may have a more proactive approach than we anticipate.

I also would not play Phillips or Gibbs; both have histories of muscular injuries and I don't think we should be playing them three times a week at all unless really required in the crunch time at the end of the season. Gibbs is certainly first choice and Phillips' set-piece delivery probably gives him the edge too so both are important to us.

Finally I think Austin starts as you need to get minutes into him at some point. He seems to be preferred to Zohore by the crowd so if Zohore plays and doesn't start well, the groans could begin which I don't think would help.






Bond, O'Shea, Brunt, Harper, Periera, Phillips, Zohore

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Field (on loan at Charlton)
« on: August 18, 2019, 11:16:14 AM »
Not in the match day squad again yesterday and Charlton have since signed Kayal and Oztumer. He has to go somewhere to play but this does suggest that he might not be at our level currently or anytime in the near future.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Filip Krovinovic Joins Albion on loan
« on: August 14, 2019, 11:44:39 PM »
I've only seen him on the box away at Forest but I commented then how much he reminded me of Robert Koren. Do not get me wrong, football has moved on but I think in certain games he could play in the centre of midfield in a 4. You could have him and Sawyers central with Phillips and Brunt (or someone else suited to playing as a wide midfielder rather than a winger) wide and be a successful possession based midfield 4.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL CHAMPIONSHIP THREAD
« on: August 09, 2019, 03:14:51 PM »
I'm really surprised Reading are 100-1. They have spent a lot of money this window and have bought in some real quality. I'd have them as dark horses for the play offs. If their loan army click they won't be anywhere near the bottom 6.

Also on Brentford, the loss of Maupay is possibly a killer, as i'm not convinced they have replaced the goals, but they have bought in Pontus Jansson who is one of the best defenders in the league, while Mbuemo is supposed to be one of the top young French talents on the market.

Both of those 2 could creep into the play off picture.

Very much agree with this and think Bristol City will be slightly better than those odds above suggest.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Best XI
« on: August 09, 2019, 10:23:07 AM »
Bizarrely, and sadly, I have Bartley in our best XI


Ferguson   Hegazi   Bartley   Gibbs

Ajayi   Sawyers

Phillips   Krovinovic    Pereira


Probably agree with this although I am 50/50 between Zohore and Austin. Unfortunately don't expect to see Ajeyi get much time in there.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Field
« on: August 08, 2019, 04:03:03 PM »
Good luck to him - he needs a season away - this should have happened before now.

Absolutely correct, should have gone the season we got relegated after signing Barry and Krychowiak. Good luck to him, hope he is great.

I did see Field as the first alternate for the ball-winner in midfield, behind Livermore. Apart from Ajayi stepping in there, I see that as a hole in our squad unless Harper will be playing there. His talents seem to be further up the field however from what I have seen.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Jonathan Leko
« on: August 08, 2019, 03:59:30 PM »
I hope he doesn't warm their bench.
I thought he would have to go to league one or two.

Exactly this. Edwards had a loan spell in League 2 (and scored an excellent goal in the play-off final, albeit a consolation goal) and actually played. I fear for Leko re game time. Let's hope he gets games in, he has talent and would love to see him make it for us.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Charlie Austin
« on: August 08, 2019, 09:30:31 AM »
Charlie Austin on a perm deal is very confusing.

If you compare it to us signing Gayle, you would argue that its very similar.

Austin is older
Austin and Gayle would probably be offered the same wages
Austin may cost a few million less

I would suggest that his wages would be less, the transfer fee obviously would be less and also the Austin deal would probably be a two-year contract, maybe even a 1+1 but Gayle will be seeking his last big deal and would want a 4-year deal I would imagine. The Gayle deal would cost the club far more. Finally, Austin will suit the 4231 we played on the weekend better than Gayle.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Charlie Austin
« on: August 08, 2019, 09:18:02 AM »
Daily Mail says Austin is a loan.

Jason Burt of the Telegraph reports that it is a permanent deal. He has never been renowned for knowing much about us but he appears to be particularly close to Bilic so could be some truth in it.

I do not like the idea of Austin; a player with a record of injuries, past his peak having not been successful in recent times is the exact profile of player I prefer to steer clear of. He may prove to be a good addition but I prefer us to stay away from this profile of player. fortunately the rest of our signings this summer haven't been of this profile so one risk may be ok. He certainly will be suited to playing the lone man up front better than Gayle.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: August 05, 2019, 10:27:28 PM »
Generally I feel comfortable with Johnstone but he does appear to have a weakness with long range shots. I am no keeper expert but he looks a little flat footed and slow to move his feet. Hopefully a good coach can improve that side of his game.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chris Brunt
« on: August 05, 2019, 02:34:09 PM »
I think Brunt will be our alternative to Sawyers when he is injured and or needs resting. He has the ability to dictate the tempo, creativity, bravery on the ball and a good range of passing. Obviously there is much that he lacks physically and is not particularly disciplined when in the centre of midfield and is also a poor tackler but has something to give a play maker from deep.

Certainly with us looking like we are going to press more aggressively, he can't play full back like he did under Pulis and the way our wide players set up on Saturday - he wouldn't be suited out there either.

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