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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: 2019-2020 Season Tickets
« on: Yesterday at 12:44:12 PM »
I've renewed mine, begrudgingly. I've been in the same seat for 20+ years, I don't want to lose it - which is what they're counting on really.

Really shoddy treatment of their 'customers', and all because they know they've got a captive audience and need the money.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: March 20, 2019, 01:26:18 PM »
What's the matter with you lot? Seriously what's the problem and what's the hurry?

IF Shan gets us promoted you'll all do an about turn.

Someone said earlier words to the effect of that's our promotion chances gone. Utter nonsense, complete and utter nonsense. We have as good a chance as any of the other three that will end up in the play offs.

You talk about the play-offs like they are a lottery - that's the same reason England kept losing on penalties. It's not a lottery, it's a test of ability, bottle, and managerial nous - and if we go into the play-offs without a proper manager, it's like entering a boxing match with one arm tied behind your back.

We need a proper manager who understands tactics, and knows how to put them into place - not just a guy who seems to be letting the players do what they want.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: March 18, 2019, 12:46:32 PM »
;D Think we have no choice just let Shan run the team 9 games to go?? Too late to put a new man in would take him 3 or 4 games to stamp his influence on the squad he would get. Shan  knows the players and has a good idea on formations and tactics. Why change if he can run things temporarily.

We don't know what division we will be in so that would be a big impact on what manager we bring in.

This is what got us into this mess in the first place.

Never employ the temporary bloke, it doesn't work long term.

Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: New Zealand Mosque Shooting
« on: March 15, 2019, 12:47:10 PM »
Ultimately irrelevant but how do we know the terrorist was religious? Just described as someone espousing 'far right, anti-immigrant views on the BBC.

Let's face it, any kind of extreme religious or political belief is dangerous. People see their way as the only way, believe they have a right to exert their will on others, and eventually something terrible like this happens.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: What do you want changed?
« on: March 14, 2019, 12:59:39 PM »
most of the squad next season please

We're not going to have much choice about that one mate.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Promotion race 2018/2019
« on: March 14, 2019, 12:57:52 PM »
After last night's results, I think we are probably coasting towards a play-off place now. I think it might be Preston and Villa joining us, as the others seem to have dropped off.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chris Brunt
« on: March 14, 2019, 12:55:18 PM »
His free kick was a bit lucky, and I didn't think he was as good as some are saying, but last night showed up that even though he's coming towards the end of his career, we still haven't replaced what he gives us.

The set piece delivery, the range of passing, etc; we need Brunt 2.0

Last Match Forum - 13/03 Swansea City (H) / Re: After Match Debate
« on: March 14, 2019, 12:50:07 PM »
The 3 points are nice but I am under no illusion that we were lucky last night.

Swansea had their chances and Sam played a blinder....that in itself tells you all you need to know. A more direct team would have mullered us.......

Agree with this. If Swansea had a decent striker, or a bit more experience in their team, then we would have been in a lot of trouble last night. They have some very good youngsters who were playing it through us all game.

Brunt's free kick was luck, and if the keeper is stronger at the corner then that doesn't go in. We did OK, but we reverted to doing what the players want and we still weren't convincing. Think we need to be a bit more honest with ourselves judging by what some are saying.

Arguably the most successful period in our recent history was when Roy Hodgson was in charge; he set us up to play in a counter-attacking manner when we had players capable of causing problems with their pace and movement (Long / Odemwingie) and players who could find the passes to them (prime Brunt, Morrison).

That's what the squad became comfortable doing, and in keeping it together, they became accustomed to that; if it was any other style, they no longer felt comfortable. When Mel said the squad needed to be broken up, the club panicked and sacked him instead, but he had a point.

The fact is despite losing most of that team, the players Pulis bought in were drilled to do the same thing, and many were too limited to do anything else.

It's what I said all along; Moore wanted to change the style, but not the players. If he was intent on changing styles, we needed a bigger turnover of players. If he wanted to keep the squad together, he had to play the way they were accustomed to.

Now we're messing about with a scattershot approach, looking at managers who play all different styles of football because we've got no long term plans other than simply 'promotion'. We need a Dan Ashworth now more than ever.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: March 12, 2019, 01:07:43 PM »
To be honest, I think he was a coach who stepped up too far. Lovely bloke, but just not cut out for it.

The Norwich fan had some very good points, but I would say where the rot really set in was losing Dan Ashworth. I don't know if breaking up his role into three was the problem, or just the lack of a long term vision, but that's where all the good work started slipping.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: March 12, 2019, 12:58:37 PM »
I can't believe we sacked another manager without a plan.

We saw how that has worked out before, and still did it.

We should have had somebody lined up and a deal done before giving Moore the chop, otherwise it was pointless doing it at that point.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Ahmed Hegazi
« on: March 11, 2019, 05:31:35 PM »
I still don't think he's that good.

If we can get back what we paid for him, I'd take it.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: What do you want changed?
« on: March 11, 2019, 05:18:20 PM »
Stop playing the ball out from the back with players who clearly can't hack in (new centre-halves required if we want to play this way going forward).

On a similar note, no more Adarabiyio at full-back.

Stop playing so many useless plodders in midfield. We can carry one of Barry or Livermore through a game, not both.

Somebody has to start working with Johnstone, and improving him. We've spent too much to cut our losses, but none of the keeper coaches seem to have improved him one bit from the start of the season.

More intensity in the team. They don't have to run around to no effect like a team of James McCleans, but they need to move the ball quicker and put pressure on the opposition when chasing the game at the very least.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: March 11, 2019, 05:09:40 PM »
I didn't go to the Ipswich game (weekend in Paris for my girlfriends birthday), but everything I've seen and heard says we were right to let him go.

The fact is he got 6 games as a stop-gap, and that should have been it. The problem was he did well enough in those six games that it meant the club thought that he (and those players) were good enough to get us out of the Championship. Neither has been true, at least as far as automatic promotion goes.

I'm not going to go through the litany of complaints I had about him during the season, enough has been said, suffice to say he was found wanting tactically. It's a harsh decision, one I'm sad about, because I really wanted him to succeed. And I feel bad about his sacking, but he was out of his depth, bailed out by individual performances earlier in the season.

We should really have given him until the summer, but had we done so on current form we could have been outside even the play-offs at that point; the club have made it clear that financially, we need promotion.

Getting beaten at home by Boro and Sheffield United was bad, but getting outclassed by Leeds was probably the final straw in most peoples eyes. I hope he goes on to get a decent job, and come back stronger for the experience.

What I will say is that I saw a change when Graeme Jones walked in the door, and it wasn't one that I was fond of. If Moore had got in a different number 2, I think things would have been better.

Bristol City have had a couple of good years and obviously not been in the top flight for ages. They seem to have a good local owner who's improved the infrastructure. Last year they sold some of their best assets in Flint, Bobby Reid and Joe Bryan and this has probably financed several decent loan signings (most of them from Chelsea). The manager also need some credit.
It's getting this combination of a good manager, selling assets at a decent price and re-investing effectively whether in permanent signings or loans, which would determine how we would go if we stay down for a couple of years. How we manage the talent coming through from our academy will also be a key thing.

The interesting thing with Bristol City is how they are managing Ashton Gate, and the surrounding area. They are trying to bring business and people into the area, to generate more money for the club, allowing for more investment. They could genuinely be another Brighton or similar in a few years.

General Football & Sports / Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« on: March 06, 2019, 12:53:53 PM »
I still don't understand FFP. can someone explain how you can lose £50m and then spend £109 m and stay within the rules.

Because the clubs losses are taken into account over a three year period. A club can only lose £39 million on a rolling three-year period, but Wolves previous financials mean they're fine, including something like £90 million of assets which offset losses. There are two interesting things here though -

1/ Wolves wage bill included £20 million pounds of promotion bonuses, so they only spent that much because they were promoted.

2/ Wolves wages were around £30 million without the bonuses, but Villa's was £70 million plus without promotion bonuses, yet Villa have somehow passed FFP as well - despite losing loads each year they've been in the Championship.

Villa are more of a question mark than Wolves, because they've burnt through the parachute payments and still lost money.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Promotion race 2018/2019
« on: March 05, 2019, 12:44:11 PM »
My nightmare would be playing Boro in the play-offs. Four defeats to that cap-wearing **** in a season, and another season (at least) in the Championship?  :'(

To answer the original question, it's a firm no.

Even if we aren't ready to go back up, we need to be there. We have to rebuild the squad this summer, and if we are in the Premier League we have the money and draw to build a better quality team. If we stay down, we're going to end up with bog standard Championship cloggers, and it'll set the club back 20 years.

Even if we come straight back down, we might literally have to become the 'boing boing' Baggies again to build up the funds to compete at that level; the owner can't / won't invest, so we have to break even at least - easier to do when you get £100 million for finishing bottom.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Team
« on: March 04, 2019, 12:52:27 PM »




Subs: Bond, Bartley, Brunt, Field, Montero, Gayle, Robson-Kanu

Need to pick a balanced team, maybe make it more of a 4-2-3-1 with one of the midfield three pushing into a number ten role.

General Football & Sports / Re: Ben Foster (Sold to Watford)
« on: March 01, 2019, 12:52:40 PM »
While Johnstone hasn't committed too many outright howlers, I have to agree that we'd be 6+ points better off with Foster in goal. His shot-stopping is better, his command of his area is better, and his competitive edge means he wouldn't put up with some of the messing about we've been getting.

Johnstone hasn't been horrendous, but I don't think it's just a lack of experience, I just don't think he's a Premier league keeper.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: 2019-2020 Season Tickets
« on: February 28, 2019, 01:26:31 PM »
Only Albion could launch an early bird offer and end up making people more annoyed.

General Football & Sports / Re: Dingle watch - Anything Wolves
« on: February 27, 2019, 12:59:45 PM »
Shocked to see that wonderful Wolves team having the double done to them by the worst team in the Premier league for sone time, well at least since Wolves were last relegated 😂

They just don't like playing teams in blue and white stripes, do they  ;D

« on: February 27, 2019, 12:58:28 PM »
I'm surprised Rodgers decided to go now rather than the end of the season, but it's been piss easy for him up there, and he's looked to be on the way out for a while now.

That being said, Celtic have probably gone with the cheap option until the end of the season. They have a much better squad than any of the other teams, so should win the league. Question will be if they can follow it up with the cup. Rodgers success will become a stick with which to beat any future manager.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Fans at Home
« on: February 26, 2019, 04:58:28 PM »
I realy struggle to understand where all this alleged 'discontent' and 'pressure at home' comes from at the ground
I sit/stand at the back of the Smethwick and they were pretty vociferous in their support from the outset and only got quieter towards the later end of the second half when it was plain to see the game was rapidly slipping away from us
Quieter not moaning please note
Yes the odd WTF (me) and stop f*cking around can be heard but not the mass stuff that seems to be happening around others 
I guess one's impression of crowd pressure on the players or signs of rumbling and mumbling can be heavily influenced by where you are in the ground?   
COYB onwards and upwards

I sit in the Brummie, and to be fair, every time they try playing it out from the back and go nowhere with it there are murmurs and cries of exasperation. Same when the goal kicks go short.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Yuning Zhang - Signed
« on: February 26, 2019, 12:55:30 PM »
good point about the money,do we hold his registration ? if Lai bought the player then that confuses the hell out of me regarding FFP. it's unlikely but if he had been a success and his value soured who would have any profit if sold?

If we didn't hold his registration, then I would imagine we'd have been in trouble with the FA. Third party ownership is strictly banned under the laws of English football.

I do think that Lai intends to make money via player ownership though - train the next generation of Chinese players using methods from our academy, implemented at his West Bromwich Albion eco-towns, and hold their registrations before selling to the highest bidder.

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