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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Shan appointed until end of season
« on: April 18, 2019, 05:54:32 PM »
If that is what Jokanovic would want to get him here, then they have to go

He ay coming!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: WBA FC Women need your support!
« on: April 14, 2019, 07:44:06 PM »
Well the Plate.  Left my seat at the Hawthorns empty yesterday following a nasty attack of indifference and instead drove over to Rugby with my little girl to watch Albion ladies demolish Liverpool  Feds 5-1 in the National Plate Final.  Fantastic performance, they worked so hard together as a team with a high press and scored some cracking goals.   Been following the baggies for 35 years and first national Cup competition I've seen any Albion team win.  It is the second tier Cup but a win is a win 😁. Relegated last year but unbeaten this.... COYLB

How did that end up here?

Last Match Forum - 13/04 Preston North End (H) / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: April 13, 2019, 02:28:50 PM »
Again and again. The Brunt-Livermore partnership is terrible.

Sealed the deal for me.....even if they both do occasionally hit us with a moment of quality (the odd cross form CB and goals from JL) as a midfield partnership they can be so disappointingly one paced and sideways looking. Like watching seniors football.

Last Match Forum - 13/04 Preston North End (H) / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: April 13, 2019, 02:20:28 PM »
Fed up with this Albion board/hierarchy. Rang my dad tonight to tell him I wasn't going up tomorrow. Got nothing else on, just haven't got it in me, out of the house for 8 or 9 hours to watch Shan bungle his way through another attritional 90 minutes. CEO sitting on his hands counting his pennies. All the rumours point to the most underwhelming appointment since A'F'I. I just don't know where we go from here. Well I do, back to the lower reaches of the 2nd tier where it all started for me. Problem is it's a different time, it won't be the same, it'll be sanitised, mind numbing, low quality fare.

Cor be arsed with this bunch today. Was going, just to see the gentrified Preston fans but taking my little girl to watch West Brom ladies v Liverpool in the Plate final tomorrow instead. I'm there in spirit but the love has gone for the moment.....for the club, players AND some of the miserable, shouty, moany fans who sit around me.  Partic the one who yells RUUBBIISSHH!! at the top of his voice into my lug hole at least 20 times a match.  Hope they get behind the team today COYB.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: April 08, 2019, 03:56:14 PM »
These players have now struggled to meet expectations for the last year of the Capped One, every game under Pardew, and for the last half of this season? Under DM and now JS.  These different managers have nothing in common except their inability to get these players to meet the expectations set.   We have an unbalanced squad based around overated "PL" players (Livermore, Dawson, JRod), senior pros past their best (Brunty, Mozza) and loanees....only one of which has really worked (Colgate has got progressively poorer).

Since Christmas, as a ST holder IMO I have seen our players often  outperformed week in/week out by supposedly poorer players. I have seen a large number that could match our players technically and even more that could out run and outmuscle.  The only players who have really stood out have left (Barnes), done so sporadically (Barry, Holgate, Harper etc) without consistency or have been derailed by injury (Gibbs, Phillips). 

So yes DM made mistakes but like the experienced managers before him he basically tried and failed to get something out of a squad that is just ready for the breakers yard. 

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: March 29, 2019, 11:53:57 PM »

No because it wasn't.

Oh yes it was...... Panto season?? 

First half shocking all round... players, fans, team set up, the whole shebang! The atmosphere felt tense and made me wonder when the home fans had become such miserable bastards.  Second half the teams efforts lifted the fans who responded well and actually got behind the boys to the end.

Shan got some new manager luck having to bring on HRK as he really changed the game.  He can hold the ball up and draws fouls like a master craftsman.  Gayle needed that goal, could now do with one from the feet as he put a couple of half chances well over.  Edwards looked a bit lost at first but thought he had a decent game once he found his feet. Brunteh is still not a CM but what fantastic delivery and Jake........moves like a tugboat and passes like one too at times but what a hit!!

Miss Darren Moore but the main difference seems to be an acceptance that you can just clear your lines to ease pressure and our players need that.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
« on: March 11, 2019, 12:57:49 PM »
It must be me, but I find it hard to understand how young Mr Barnes has acquired this messia like status?
He was OK scored a good few goals but he also went up a lot of blind allies, frequently lost the ball, didn't pass to players in better positions and was god awful at tracking back.
But to put all our successes, untill his departure, solely down to him is a bit OTT in my opinion. He was but one cog in a much bigger machine

Some players get better and better in their absence.  However, the more i see other players the more sure I am  that this kid was and is the real deal.  Seeing him not only out pace, but also out muscle Hutton at the Hawthorns before leaving him for dead was my moment of the season.   An ability to carry the ball for a distance at pace, an eye for a forward pass, and a goalscorer to boot.   Possibly went back to the PL early, but by all accounts after a patchy start he has really started to look the part for Leicester and now has a manager who can really develop him.  Anybody still thinking he might play for us again, more likely the next team he might play for other than Leicester will be England if he can improve his overall game.     

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: March 10, 2019, 08:20:25 PM »
I think its very sad that Moore has been sacked, he was a symbol of hope, unity and one of our own, but whilst its sad, it's also the right decision.

At the end of last season, he appeared to motivate a revival, that may be partly true, but it was more a case of player power returning to their comfort zone and striving to keep their Premiership pay packets and as a result of this mini revival, big Dave got the job, so he got the job on a false premise when you look at it honestly.

Now to this season, he was well backed and tried to change the playing style with three at the back playing out from the back, that was a disaster and much criticised by many on here, eventually he returned to a back four, but still playing out from the back, some improvement, but still awkward with many errors, because the players are not up to it, we have a backline who are normally risk averse and a midfield horribly neglected since Pulis dictated that they were largely irrelevant as they watched the ball launched over their heads, then returned to a shield of four in front of the defence.

Darren was backed with several signings and loan signings which left him with a strong first 11, especially once the useless Kyle Bartley was removed [at £6million, probably the worst signing in the history of the club].

Unlike many on here, I don't get too high following wins or too low following losses, but what was becoming increasingly obvious was that Darren was struggling, his tactics were at best predictable and easily countered, his ability to change a game almost non existent, we luckily got a draw yesterday against a poor Ipswich side, only two saves from Johnstone save an appalling defeat.

Darren has been found out, he simply was not up to the job, its sad, but the club made the correct decision, it would only have got worse from here as the fans, who in the main have been patient and supportive, turned to venomous.

Good luck in the future Dave, you are a creditable and sincere Albion man, your reputation as a Baggie will remain, but time ran out this season and it was the best for you and the club.

Good post.  Balanced and thought provoking.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: March 10, 2019, 08:11:28 PM »
It shouldn't do your head in as it's true. We have mainly Premier League quality players, hence why they will go to Premier league clubs if we don't go up this season.

Have you actually watched our PL quality players this year? Gibbs...feels like he fits unto the category but in hindsight his form is patchy often flatters to deceive and suspect in the air, Dawson....don't make me arff a good old fasioned lower league defender but not PL, Hegazi...like him but no turn of pace, Livermore.....looks lmited even at this level....reputation over ability, Jrod has often been good but sometimes utter S***e, a busted flush in the PL, Barry is 38 and runs backward through treacle, Phillips has the potential to be a top player but his injury record is turning him into a liability and is the ultimate confidence player.  Have I missed any of our elite squad?

Playing in the PL does not make you a PL player, getting PL wages does not make you a PL player.   Technical ability, pace, consistency and a strong will to win makes you a PL player....not in abundance amongst that lot.  On multiple occasions this season they have been out run and out played.  SOME OF BDs tactics may have been suspect but he was not managing a team of elite footballers.....far from.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: February 27, 2019, 02:44:20 PM »
It's too late to do it now. The warning signs were there right from the start of the season. Our failure to act may very well come back to bite us but we won't find out till all is said and done. Insanity at this point would be offering him a new contract.

Ahhh this is more about the new contract question.  Makes sense now even if I might not agree 👍

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: February 27, 2019, 02:42:22 PM »
That's it for me as well.
Regardless of what division we are playing in next season we will have a massive overhaul of the squad.
6 loanees will go back.
The likes of Dawson/Phillips/Hegazi/Livermore/Gibbs/JRod would they fancy another season of Championship football or a relegation struggle in the Premiership?
Barry, Morrisson, Brunty all past it IMO.
Hoolihan and Mears will go  (hopefully)
Harper not signed a new deal yet.
That leaves the kids, Johnstone, Calamity Kyle and HRK.
Not inspiring is it?

This.  And if we we want to play a more progressive brand of football in the PL would we want Dawson and Livermore first picks anyway?  Both struggle to pass a ball forward more than ten yards.   Phillips is injury prone, Gibbs was often exposed in the air at LB and Jrod will struggle to reach double figures in the division above.  Hegazi is still green at the top level.   Are these the players we are pinning our PL status on?

Clubs needs full rebuild, and needs a philosophy and management team (full team including recruitment and youth) to hang it on..Being in the.PL doesn't magically solve your squad issues  its.not that long ago as a PL team we signed Samaras, Gambia and Davidson.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: February 27, 2019, 02:33:23 PM »
You cant replace him now because we are still in contention to be in the top two and look quite confident of play offs as a minimum.

dont understand the sarcasm to be fair or what you're trying to point out.

but its not very difficult, we have to get promoted this year to keep majority of our squad. I believe the players who got us relegated were good enough to stay in that division, dont forget the summer before so many on here were saying its the strongest ever top flight squad we have had !! we got relegated by poor management and sticking with a complete dinosaur for too long when a lot of players were not playing for him, then had a manager come in on the cheap who did not have a clue.

we fail to go up this season, then we make none of the loan signings permanent, we lose other assets like Gibbs, Dawson, Hegazi etc etc and it then becomes even more difficult to gain promotion, the parachute money reduces further and each season it becomes less likely to get back into the premier league (look at villa).

that is why it is absolutely imperative to get back into the premier league for next season.

if we do not, then the question has to be asked, was the squad good enough? yes.
was the manager backed? yes.
did the manager fail? yes.

unfortunately then if that does happen then in my oppinion, we then have a huge re-building job and have to appoint an experienced manager over a 4-5 year project.

as i have said before, a decent manager should be getting Albion out of this division with the resources available to use this season. if Moore achieves that, brilliant, i will be proud of the club and what DM has achieved in his first full season as manager and he should be backed to try and build his own squad.

but failure is not an option this season and if we do fail then unfortunately he must be made accountable for it. a lot on here dont seem to like that but its true.

i will continue to do what i have all season, remain positive and back my team every single home and away game and hopefully we achieve our aim.

I think we just read Gazbergs post differently.....happens.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
« on: February 27, 2019, 02:24:51 PM »
MOM last night I see.... :(

He's a Rogers kind of player and could now flourish.
More chance the next team he play's for is England rather than WBA. Leicester are lucky fuggers.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: February 27, 2019, 01:35:13 PM »
Finally some sense

How is this sense, its a pointless comment.  If this season is too imortant to.mess up does that mean you Ythink he should be replaced NOW? and with who?  Big Sam???  A top lower league manager (please see Stoke).    Ask Rafa to pop by and bring Sol back with him.........or did i misunderstand the original post?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Jay Rodriguez
« on: February 25, 2019, 04:24:50 PM »

 Whether he;s good or bad Jay puts in a hell of a shift every game and probably covers more miles than any of our players.

It doesn't matter that he's a pro footballer, you try it, of course tiredness is an issue. He's human he cannot possibly be fresher than someone who has less miles on the clock.

It's a lazy and ignorant argument.

+ 1  JRod didnt have his best game but to a man the team tried their damdest on Saturday and as always kept going to the final minute...it just didn't happen and we were beaten by the better team on the day..   

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: February 24, 2019, 09:47:17 AM »
Wilder and Sheffield United are an interesting comparison. United spent 6 seasons in League One they would have one of the bigger clubs in the League and always among the pre season favourites for promotion. They ran through 5 managers during that time sacking each one when they "failed" to get promotion although a very poor start to a season saw David Weir fired after just 13 games.

Wilder took over and got promotion at the first time of asking which was fortunate for him because on previous form they probably wouldn't have given him a second chance. Last season he guided them to a respectable 10th place having got to Christmas in the play-off positions. This season has seen them improve and it now seems quite likely they will be in the promotion race down the home straight and are very likely to finish in the top 6.

He has done this with a fairly modest squad, (imagine if we had signed Nadine,McGoldrick or Washngton) but it is a squad which he has put together to play a certain way. He has had the benefit of working with some of the players for the better part of 3 seasons. It is also a squad and a club that has got used to being relatively sucessful and is now probably seen as such by the fans.

Moore is in roughly the same position Wilder was in his first season at United.Our squad has been cobbled together most of it under different managers to play a completely different style of football. The feeling around the club is one of entitlement and disappointment. On the one hand we should be doing better with the squad we have got but equally we are probaly not doing quite as well as we might because of the flaws that current squad has and the legacy of too many years of struggling to stay in the Premier League.

Stoke are in the same boat but it is credit to Moore that he has stopped the rot at least to a degree with less of a drop off in league position. Ultimately we need to stick with Moore if this season turns out to be a bust. Someone described the play-offs as a crap shoot it is but it is a crap shoot for all of the teams in it not just us.

Before anyone accuses of me being overly gentle on Moore because of sentiment due to his long term association with the club remember I would have appointed a more experienced coach. I would however be arguing to stick with whoever the coach was unless things were dire (i.e. relegation struggle) or worse still whoever we appointed turned out to be a Pulis clone.

This X about a fuggin million. Saved my fingers.   Top post etc.    Don't get me wrong I'm fuggin inebriated this morning, more than I have been for some time but I want to give this management team TIME.  Norwich gave their manager time, Sheff Utd gave their manager time, Bristol City etc. At least I am angry today..... Last year I just stopped caring.  That's the difference Darren Moore is making.   

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: February 23, 2019, 11:26:20 PM »
Today felt like a turning point for me.  It was a test to see where we really are in terms of promotion and the evidence suggests we will fall short of automatic as SU were just too good for us today.   We looked imobile and lacking in creativity n CM and today showed that Harper is not (yet) the answer to this issue.   Unless JM is due a Lazzarus or Johannsen steps up I cannot see options to change this.  Oh wailly waiily me.....

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: February 23, 2019, 11:11:32 PM »

Nothing wrong with launching it and ensuring we compete for the 2nd ball, his current method is not working.

I would disagree and ask who is going to challenge for the launch..... But TBF an injury time hoof nearly ended with Montero scoring. Its about throwing it in the mixer on occasion I guess and scrapping for the bits and pieces.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Rekeem Harper
« on: February 23, 2019, 10:10:14 PM »
Absolute rubbish

Barry was

I don’t think Harper had too bad a game but when compared against previous games he’s played it was the worst hes played.

But worst player on the pitch?? Not for me

He just wasn't on it tonight...... It happens, particularly with younger players.   Looked languid and off the pace but that's not lack of effort. 

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Rekeem Harper
« on: February 23, 2019, 10:08:13 PM »
He does need to work on his off the ball stuff, especially his defensive work. I think one of our biggest issues as a team is our lack of intensity off the ball - Sheffield Utd were the complete opposite this evening.

One thing I will say for him however is that I think he works a lot harder than he appears to. He looks a bit languid in his running, and yet he was quite often the first man forward to support attacks on the break, having bust a gut to ghost in.

With the right coaching he could become a very good player, but he will need to work n elements of his game.

Easy to forget the kids eighteen.......

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: February 23, 2019, 10:06:58 PM »
Anyone know why he was time wasting every time he had the ball when we were trailing, for the duration of the match?

He couldn't do anything about their goal, and he did make one good save, but who tells him to keep playing it out from the back and keep us under pressure? It's infuriating and I just want to grab him and shake him until all the minutes I've wasted asking this question fall out of him.

He's actually looking for a pass, rather than a hoof in the general direction.   Problem is his team mates not finding space and the crowd getting frustrated.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Rekeem Harper
« on: February 23, 2019, 09:10:49 PM »
Yep that for me defined the whole game our lack of closing down versus theirs.  For their goal they picked up possession centrally in their own half, no pressure on the ball, ball transitioned to their right, again no challenge, eventually working it to the byline, resisted the slide challenge, free header across goal 0-1.  Gibbs and Holgate were pathetic at stopping the cross.

Just a totally lack of willingness to win the ball.

As soon as we lost the ball we were in the crap as both Jake and Barry were treading water trying to get back leaving the defense completely exposed with four or five bodies running at them. 

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: February 23, 2019, 08:57:00 PM »
Darren needs to go to Specsaver because I don't no what game he was watching after his comments. Reckons we players gave their all.

Can't knock the effort.......but the opposition were quicker, stronger, and as an eleven more athletic.   Wilder has built as squad fit for purpose over a three year period, getting better every year.  Our "ex England International" midfielders wouldn't get near a start in that team.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: February 23, 2019, 07:09:19 PM »
Murphy's injury a real hindrance today.  His presence would have allowed MP back into midfield.  Barry and Livermore just lack pace to recover and SU have rolled us like Derby did at times.  But we have created......Stick with it. 

BtW if you thought that was piss poor you ay watched much football at the Hawthorne.

Ok.  Piss poor is now an accurate description.  Awful start to 2nd half and it's carried on.  Plan c needed.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: February 23, 2019, 06:35:57 PM »
Murphy's injury a real hindrance today.  His presence would have allowed MP back into midfield.  Barry and Livermore just lack pace to recover and SU have rolled us like Derby did at times.  But we have created......Stick with it. 

BtW if you thought that was piss poor you ay watched much football at the Hawthorne.

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