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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: May 19, 2019, 05:47:19 PM »
Seriously we should be looking at clarke again. The job hes doing over there shouldn’t be ignored. Lets be honest someone will take him. Seems a good fit. Times passed and its a different job now.

Dismantled best squad in years, won 7 games in the calendar year 2013. No thanks.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: The Squad
« on: May 19, 2019, 05:42:31 PM »

You're sort of right. You need goals in a team. It doesn't matter if you play slick football or not, you need defenders that will defend and then goals from as many areas of the pitch as possible. That's one thing we lacked last season a midfielder who would get double figure goals.

Without Rodriguez and Gayle we drip fed goals. Rather than 45 goals between two strikers I'd rather have 30 between the strikers and ten each from a midfielder / wide man for example. More difficult for teams to defend when goals are spread over the pitch.

For that reason I'd love to sign someone like Bradley Dack, he'd get you double figure goals from a midfield role.

Agree with what you're saying though Dack plays up front with Graham usually.

General Football & Sports / Re: FA Cup
« on: May 18, 2019, 07:14:47 PM »
That said if City don't go out early and Liverpool keep picking weakened teams the showpiece match will become a farce. That was a joke today joint biggest win matching Bury vs Derby over a 100 years ago.

General Football & Sports / Re: FA Cup
« on: May 18, 2019, 07:09:01 PM »
Not Going up didn’t bother me , losing to the vile did  :(

Opposite for me.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: James Morrison
« on: May 17, 2019, 08:07:49 PM »
A very high quality Premier League attacking midfielder in his day. He's been slowed down badly by injury in recent years. Thanks for the worldies and the memories Mozza. All the best. Hopefully gets that testimonial.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: May 17, 2019, 02:36:02 AM »
I have heard chadwick on the radio and take what he says with a pinch of salt when I see LK Bennett being bought out of administration by a chinese company only last month.

The fact is very low interest loans have stopped in China and with that has gone the availability for lai to borrow more.

Like you says though he wants to run it like peace, so it is a moot point whatever his wealth is in China as he has no intention of using it on us anyway.

What I don't subscribe to is what is peddled on here by without any foundation at all that lai is the victim of the Chinese regime and basically he has billions, which doesn't matter anyway because like you say he wants to run it like peace.

But, there is no proof at all that he is any different from a chancer like Dr x was at vile who wanted to take profits from the anticipated prem money, but whose gamble backfired.

What there is proof of is that he is an easily lead fool, who knows nothing about football and its administration and listened to peace in appointing fools like Goodman and Williams and then he got recommended the idiot terraeno, having seen his cv, who alienated everybody and then was finally sidelined when MJ came back.

What this naive buffoon thought, was yes I'll buy this club for £200m, saw the dividend of £27m and a history of profits and thought, that'll do me, I'll buy this and the continuing profits will service my debt etc pay back my capital outlay in a few years and happy days.

It would not surprise me at all if he had not even known about relegation and the championship and thought it was like American sport.

Our only hope is he knows some real rich people who can actually take us off his hands. Some actual clever people who have a plan like fosun and who have the actual football knowledge of someone like mendes in a partnership and most importantly a plan and ambition.

Add to all these excuses about currency restrictions the  FFP rules you have all the excuses for him to do f all to progress the Albion.

We have been sold by one scum bag to another one imo. We have a not fit for purpose ground and had no improvement to it after unparalleled revenues flowing into the club since 2002.

We cannot grow our fan base because our previous owner who came in as a West brom born West brom fan thought we were a mid sized championship club and we couldn't fill our ground when really he'd rather declare profits and pay taxes in order to show a history of profits to attract a lai.

We as fans have been well and truly been shafted by our owners.

You literally buy all the spin. I'll continue tomorrow.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: May 16, 2019, 09:32:25 PM »
Better start growing that grass longer in the corners then

What's Dion Dublin up to?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: May 16, 2019, 08:38:22 PM »
He hasn't got any cash, he needed a loan to buy the club and hasn't put a penny in since. His lack of investment is nothing to do with Chinese governance, else FOSUN wouldn't be busy spending money at Wolves like confetti. Our owner is small time. Sold out by JP. Next season will be another case of trying to use the parachute payments to fund a promotion push. I expect we will have a similar budget to this years as selling Rondon and anybody else will provide a bit of cash. I've completely given up on the owner. Doubt we will see him even turn up at the Hawthorns unless we go up and have a glamour game.

Another one who doesn't understand Chinese finance. FOSUN have huge holdings outside China and can spend that money freely.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: May 16, 2019, 07:43:55 PM »
I expect he will inject some cash as soon as is possible under Chinese governance. He's not got much choice, we need to be in the Premier League for him to get a return on his investment and save face.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: May 16, 2019, 07:42:36 PM »
I mentioned Cowley a month or two ago.

I didn't realise so many of our fans watched Lincoln regularly, as many have a good knowledge of his playing style. Personally, I am immensely impressed with his record and he obviously has something about him. Give him a chance, I say.

 Hughton hardly plays Guardiola style football, does he?

Problem with Cowley is it's virtually John Beck unwatchable.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: May 16, 2019, 07:41:50 PM »
Aitor Karanka would be a good appointment.

We've had pound shop Pulis and now Foreign Pulis is mooted...

I didn't sit through the Pulis years to go back to that. If only we hadn't sacked TP, he could have gone at the end of the season while we were still a PL club and we could have built from there.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Kyle Bartley
« on: May 16, 2019, 06:51:54 PM »
Would anybody sell him now if offered the £4m back by someone like Leeds?

Yes of course.

Actually an interesting point Jacko makes there, is there an actual rule/law about time wasting itself?

A Rory Delap throw in during the Pulis years took anywhere from 45 to 120 seconds, and they had several each match. To my knowledge Delap was never booked for time wasting.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: The Squad
« on: May 16, 2019, 02:15:05 AM »
I don't particularly want him as captain, but he's already been handed the armband several times this season when Brunt isn't on the pitch - hence the nailed on comment - still a better option than having captain calamity Bartley.

Unsure why you think what I said would be incorrect? He is a steady eddy.... will give you a metronome 5 or 6 out of 10 most games as a minimum - granted, very rarely going above that.

Hint, it wasn't Livermore I was calling clueless  ;) :-X

For what it's worth 3 or 4 out of 10 at best. England international central midfielder who can't play on the half turn.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: May 16, 2019, 02:12:48 AM »
Interesting developments quick run through some of the names before some more detailed thoughts on current favourite Chris Hughton.

Vieira.  Odd name to be linked but he is already Head Coach in Ligue 1 at Nice who are certainly not minnows even if they are a step below PSG and Lyon. Their last two coaches left to take up positions at Southampton and Dortmund and that is the direction of travel for Patrick Vieira rather than the Albion.

Dan Cowley. When you feel the need to defend the way you play football in League 2 you can rest assured that it is pig ugly. I am not adverse to giving the role to an up and coming coach from outside the top two teirs but, no.

Hughton seems to be the favourite so is worth considering a little bit more closely in particular the apparent paradox of his teams scoring lots of goals in the championship and the virtual disapperance of Brighton as an attacking entity in the second half of this season which basically lead to his dismissal.

Hughton is in the same pragmatic camp as Benetiz,Mourinho, Pulis and Moyes (among others) He shares a fondness like other members of the group for a 4-2-3-1. This formation has two basic modes an offensive and a defensive one. In offensive mode the deep sitting double pivot is used to pin opponents in their own half free the front 4 to play and under more attack minded managers the full backs also push high up to provide additional wide options.

The defensive mode is sees the deep sitting block form which in it's extreme form sees the double pivot play just in front of the back four the full backs tuck in and the two wide players drop deep as auxiliary full backs. The 10 may also drop deep leaving a lone striker as the only out ball. This is Pulisball because Pulis seldom if ever moves out of this mode almost regardless of opposition or game situation.

Nearly every other manager is tends to switch between the two modes based on the relative strength of the opposition and game situation. Typically when confronted with superior opposition they will tend to be cautious and when there is a need to get a "result"  often the default mode is defensive. However when confronted by inferior opposition particularly at home they play on the front foot and often rack up big scores like Mourinho's championship winning Chelsea teams.

Specifically Hughton has managed Newcastle and Brighton at Championship level and certainly Newcastle would have had a very strong squad and Brighton's would certainly been above the league average. Hence the goals. in the Premier League however he has reverted to a more defensive version to grind out the neccassary points first at Norwich and now at Brighton. This is understanable but another tendancy that he shares with this group of managers is when the pressure grows they tend to become more defensive until they get to a position of relative safety and boy is it dull to watch.

If he has a relatively strong squad in the Championship he will be fine but the problem will be if and when we are promoted. I would much prefer to develop an attacking possession based style in the Championship and then have the balls to carry it into the Premier League if we are promoted.

And the hypothetical Dyche question what he achieved at Burnley is remarkable but no it is as unwatchable as Pulisball. That is what it boils down to I have to watch it and I just don't like the way many of these managers play the game.

Your thoughts on Roy Hodgson, who you might as well be describing regards your thoughts on Hughton. Cheers.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Director of Football
« on: May 16, 2019, 01:57:53 AM »
What on earth must Dowling be thinking when none of our recent captures gets to start in our most import game of the season?

That he's an abject failure?

He was plodding over to retrieve the ball. The ref told him once to hurry up and move quicker but he ignored it. Then did it again moments later and acted surprised when the ref booked him. It's no different to when subs go off and they plod. But the issue is we've time wasted a lot this season, not just Saturday. Johnstone has been booked six times for it.

And again...

Why should any player hurry up to take a throw in, show me the law that says he has to?

He was time wasting, he had already been warned, it was stupid, it changed the game, its a game of football, get and play it, time wasting that early in the tie was ridiculous.

Time wasting is only arguably justifiable with a few minutes to go, otherwise, its cheating.

How is taking a throw in time wasting?

The tie turned when Gayle messed about with a throw in at Villa park and got booked, up to that point we were in control, that time wasting wound up the crowd and the Vile got motivation, Gayle got a second yellow and got sent off, everything swung in that moment and it was unnecessary.

He wasn't messing about,  he was a specialist throw in taker playing in a central position. Dreadful to book him.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: May 15, 2019, 10:09:55 PM »
If we can't convince Jokanovic then Hughton is my pick.

No more average ex-players, with a 'knowledge of the club'.

Rip them out root and stem...  8)

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Kyle Bartley
« on: May 15, 2019, 10:07:10 PM »
He has clearly been yet another victim of the WNA policy of Square pegs in round holes, played in a system which he is suited to and comfortable with he plays to his potential.
This is another example of why we need a team who acquire players to suit the coaches ethos and plan rather than because they have a reputation/ history !

You don't build a system around a limited centre back, a snotter. He was a victim of the system, but sometimes players need to adapt.

He reminds me a bit of Leon Barnett; for large parts of the game he looks quite decent but seems to have the odd clanger in him with poor control/passing etc.

He's a far more cultured player than Barnett who was more like Bartley but I don't think he's a centre back. Holding midfield might be his future.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Rekeem Harper
« on: May 15, 2019, 10:03:56 PM »
I don't see any qualities in him, he hasn't got pace, he has got a box to box work rate and his passing is limited to bad.

We all want out home grown players to do well but that makes us see them in better light than we should sometimes.

I wrote on here a while back I don't care if he stays or goes, and after him liking that post I prefer the latter as long as the fee isn't the paltry £200k for youth players and we get a decent sell on clause like with roofe.

His passing is excellent. His  desire, not so much. Shan had to prompt him to press last night.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: The Squad
« on: May 15, 2019, 10:02:39 PM »
Returning to Parent Club

Gayle, Holgate, Johansen. Montero, Murphy & Tosin

Out of these we'll miss Gayle, Holgate & Johansen. If we could somehow hold on to any of those 3 then great news. Wages for all of them could be a big stumbling block on top of any transfer fee's though. The other 3 were a waste of space so no loss there.

Returning to The Albion

Burke from Celtic - by all accounts (and apparently according to Lennon himself) he is "S***" and after an ok start up north he really faded big time. Biggest waste of money the club has ever spent, time to cut our losses and get rid to whoever will stump up any money at all for him.

Fitzwater from Walsall - Still young, still learning, depends on defensive outgoings on if he stays in squad or gets shipped back out on loan

Howkins from Port Vale - as above

Nyom from Leganes - forgotten man. Most fans won't want to keep him but with Holgate leaving he'll be back in the frame for next season, wouldn't be surprised to see him starting the first game in August.

Rondon from Newcastle - we will surely sell him as he won't want to stay, possible leverage for Gayle...

Wilson from Exeter - Same as Fitzwater really

Out of Contract:
Barry, Brunt, Harper, Hoolahan, Mears, Morrison & Myhill.

Pretty sure Brunt has a year in his favour rather than club's favour? so it's upto him I guess... I'd be inclined to suggest he moves on now though. Same for Mozza. Barry didn't play enough games to activate his contract (he was 1 or 2 short I think?)  and would look to let him go as well.  Don't mind any of the 3 of them being involved in some way with the club moving forward like coaching roles etc but they should no longer be in the squad.

Myhill... time to say goodbye, you've sat on the bench getting an easy ride for too many years now. Best to keep Bond and promote youth as the 3rd keeper.

Mears & Hoolahan "did a job" when called upon but wouldn't want to keep either of them.

Letting all if not most of the above will free up quite a big wedge of the wage bill i'd imagine as well.

As for Harper, If the rumours and hearsay are to be believed he had a bit of a paddy regarding contract talks. I won't judge the guy however though until we know more or find out what is going on with his contract situation and/or confirm/deny said rumours. He looks like he could be a real asset as logn as he keeps putting in the effort. People also need to remember he's still only young. I think they forget sometimes due to his stature.

Remaining 18/19 Squad


Johnstone - Played well last couple of games but has been poor/unconvincing most of the season, hopefully improves

Bond - should have got more starts this season with Johntsone's general poor form. Will be good to keep him.


Bartley - Played ok last couple of games, but has quite easily earned the "calamity Kyle" moniker.. sadly here to stay

Dawson - Will want to move on but don't think he'll get the interest he thinks he will unless Burnley come back

Gibbs - Prem team will be keeping tabs on him, probably on high wages and Jenkins jump at the chance to shift him unfortunately

Hegazi - Immense and easily our best defender... sadly can see a prem team coming in for him, hope we can hold on to him though

Townsend - Was adequate cover this season, but likely to be in the first team more with Gibbs likely to move on


Field - Should be in the first team more next season, give the guy a run of games and he'll do the job for us

Livermore - Steady eddy, Nailed on for Captain next season (Bartley will be VC) if Brunt leaves/retires. Needs to lose some muscle bulk though to be a bit more agile.


Robson-Kanu - I just don't think you understand.... Please leave

Rodriguez - Age now creeping up on him so will affect his value, Burnley probably the only team who will come calling for him

Youth (Made at least 1 app)
Edwards - Could do the job for us if given games. Scored a great goal against Brentford

Leko - Headless chicken despite being in and around th squad for 2 seasons now

Rogers - very young, may just be on the fringes for next season depending on signing but may benefit with a loan spell. If we can develop him correctly then he could be a real asset moving forward

Tulloch - seemed like he carried a threat in the cup but not featured since.

Assuming we do let go all/most of the people out of contract then a big rebuild in most areas is needed, midfield in particular! think we'll need at least 2 more strikers too.

Appreciate the effort that must have gone into such a long post but your description of Jake Livermore and his future prospects is where I stopped reading. I'm not sure I'm allowed to say clueless but that's what Jake is  ;)

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: May 15, 2019, 09:49:19 PM »
Something more than sticking 10 men behind the ball aiming for a set piece goal on 30% possession just so we can earn the right to play in the premier league where we'll aim to play even more direct in the hope we can scrap 38 points and finish 17th, only to repeat it year after year till we eventually, invevitably fail.

We didn't play like that last night.

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