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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 19, 2020, 04:12:19 PM »
So why are you treating him like he SHOULD be treated differently?  Or are you saying that EVERYONE should go back to work right now?

What are you talking about?

It's not difficult .....

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 19, 2020, 04:10:05 PM »
He is a premier league footballer, and as such is in a more privileged position than most. That is exactly what makes him so special.

With his privileged position comes the ability to make decisions that others cannot. How Watford address it, is for Watford and Deeney, as it would be for the employer or any key worker who decided not to go to work (many of whom would if they were in a position to).

He's an employee just like anyone else. None of them are any better than anyone else.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 19, 2020, 04:05:18 PM »
Regards Deeney. If he doesn't want to play furlough him on 2 and a half grand a month he'll soon be back in training. Same with any other player.

Yep. Better still tell him what employers are telling employees, stay off work but don't get paid. Watch his attitude change then.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 19, 2020, 03:58:08 PM »
This is hard work! 

It's possible for frontline workers to be scared for the health AND for footballers AND anybody else.  Everybody is different.  But just beccause a front line worker is concerned for their health doesn't mean that Deeney can't be scared for the health of his child.

He isn't saying he's less safe than frontline workers, he isn't saying that he's more at risk than the other footballers (aside from the BAME stuff), he's concerned about the health of his own child.  Why do you think that's so bad?  Why do you think he should ignore that just because there's other people who are in more danger and more scared?  To Deeney the health of his 5 month old child is the most important thing to him.

How many nurses, doctors and other frontline workers have 5yos? Do you not think they are worried? People who are far more at risk than any footballer but they have to work otherwise people will starve, get no medication etc.

Is Deeney's 5yo more important than any other footballers? So yet again- why him, the person I wouldve guessed out of every single footballer? He's playing people like a fiddle.

IF his child already has symptoms its nothing to do with training 100% fact.

IF his child contracts the disease following training (please god he / she doesnt) then Deeney hasn't followed the appropriate instructions.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 19, 2020, 03:32:08 PM »
So it's a good job that not everyone is doing the same then right?  And those few people who are concerned about the health of themselves and their family should be listened to. 

Look, if you said you were concerned about your health and that of your family by going to work I would 100% support your decision to not go to work.  I wouldn't take your approach and just say "tough, shut up and get to work".  Deeney deserves the same respect as you and countless other people would have if they were asked to do something unsafe, no matter what I think of Deeney personally.

Don't you think everyone on the frontline is concerned? Go and talk to a few.

The world has to go on, people have to eat and drink etc.

No one has said you just get on with it you take sensible precautions and you will be OK. Wear PPE, stay out of the way of coughs and sneezes, wash yourself at appropriate times and you will be fine. The biggest issue is the lack of commonsense and consideration of the public.

Fact is,  Deeney training within the current guidelines is far more safe than thousands of workers currently working within society and more to the point what makes him more at risk than the other thousands of footballers within the leagues that aren't making an issue of it. Why is he so special?

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 19, 2020, 03:14:04 PM »
Well, no, because not everyone has those concerns, but if they DO have those concerns they're completly valid and should be helped.  Not just told to shut up and go to work.

Yes because if everyone did the same the NHS wouldn't even get the equipment they need delivered to them. I know  that's the business I'm in.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 19, 2020, 03:10:26 PM »
If any of those people are concerned about their family then I fully support them refusing to work.

Then the country stops and everyone remotely ill with this horrid pandemic dies.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 19, 2020, 03:08:57 PM »
But why does his character mean he's lying about the health of his child?  You also skipped out that Noble raised concerns and there's other players too according to Neville, it's not just Deeney.

He's seeking attention. His child is not the only  one in the UK feeling ill. You mention two other people out of how many premier league pro's? 500? Probably more.

In normal circumstances players children will feel ill but nothing normally would be made of it. Senses are heightened now that's all.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 19, 2020, 03:00:09 PM »
Have no opinion of Troy Deeney before today but if he does not feel comfortable going back to work then he is well within his right not too.

Absolutely. Let every nurse and doctor refuse to work then and every carer, and every parcel deliverer and every supermarket worker..... etc x10

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 19, 2020, 02:58:15 PM »
I don't get your point.  So what if they've got masks - do you think a mask will work when players are training?  And even, even if they did work well in those circumstances, it doesn't mean you should be forced to work if you think it's unsafe.

I'm sorry you're at risk - but that's no reason to go off on Deeney because he wants to safeguard the life of his own child.

Oh god, it's hard work.

Look at his character.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 19, 2020, 02:47:45 PM »
@Atomic.  I think you're being incredibly harsh - his 5 month old son has breathing difficulties.  Mark Noble also raised concerns, Neville also said a player at Salford and one of the staff also said they wouldn't be back in and he knows of Premiership clubs with 5-6 players who aren't comfortable with the staged plan for returning. 

It boils down to this.  Why should Deeney put the health of his child at risk for a game of football?



Apologies for the capitals but I have no time for people using this pandemic for their own self interest.

Just to add I have a 70 year old mother who had symptoms, has thankfully come through the other side but not been tested.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 19, 2020, 02:42:14 PM »
Hey atomic,steady on the language there mate.
OK so you don't like him,you know nothing about his personal circumstances I assume?
Remember he could be very worried for his family and himself because black people are at more risk, if he thinks the club are not well prepared ,the club have a duty of care to protect all staff,that's his choice.

Every player could be worried about their family why him?

For the record I have had to work as a key worker right through this.

Anyone taken in by Deeny is another Lord Longford. Look into it, learn about peoples character's and think. Denny's family is no more important than Harry Kane's, Jamie Vardy's, Dele Alli's etc.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 19, 2020, 02:31:00 PM »
Not sure of your point?  He could be genuinely concerned for his and his families health?  How do you know other players are going back into training even though they don't want to?  You're making this stand because of Deeney, not because of his argument.

Yes because he's a xxxx. If you had posted without mentioning the name of the player I'd have guessed him all day long. You understand people's  characters by their history, a bit like serial killers, if you look into their back characters you can see why they turn out as they do.

Deeney is seeking attention as he always does, trust me.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 19, 2020, 02:19:42 PM »
Are they social distancing though?  What's the rules for getting changed?  Going for showers?  You'll need more than 2m if someone has just exerted themselves on a run.  You also can't force people to go to work if they consider it unsafe.

There are hundreds of pros out there. What makes Deeney different to everyone else?

He's an attention seeking xxxx that doesn't have enough natural ability to grab the headlines through his football.

Can you see the likes of Jake Livermore, Charlie Austin or two hundred others acting like Deeney?

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: May 19, 2020, 01:21:23 PM »
Troy Deeney reportedly refusing to return to training today. I wonder how many others will take the same view and how clubs will respond. It will be very interesting over the next week or so and I'm not at all sure this plan to finish the season is going to go smoothly. It only needs one club to have a few players to test positive, or one club to have a few key players refusing to return and there will be some very difficult discussions to be had.

Not surprised re Deeney. Always comes across as a bit of a tw t disguised as "down to earth" mans man.

The players are socially distancing themselves at this stage so no need for Deeney's attitude other than attention seeking.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL CHAMPIONSHIP THREAD
« on: April 03, 2020, 06:21:16 PM »
Joe Masi Twitter Account

The EFL has now followed the Premier League and postponed football indefinitely until it is safe to play again

Well we all knew that football wouldn't resume until safe to do so. Talk about stating the obvious.

« on: April 02, 2020, 04:24:52 PM »
Club Brugge are to be awarded their Belgian League title. 15 points clear with 1 game to go

LMAO. I'd love to see someone dream up that collapse.

General Football & Sports / Re: Research on Sexuality in Football
« on: March 26, 2020, 12:39:34 PM »
I prefer Classic Corrie on ITV3 and for that matter Classic EastEnders. Both a million times better back in the day.

In Classic Corrie you can see Reg Holdsworth in his wig. Brilliant. ;D

All the top players of the past wouldve made it in today's game they wouldve had all the advantages players have now but didnt then.

The standard then was every bit as good as nowadays the differences are the pitches were worse, the boots were heavier, the balls were heavier, even the shirts were heavier, no squad rotation.

 Forest and Liverpool were the best two teams in Europe at the time and two of the best teams the country has ever seen. 

Great players are great players regardless.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Charlie Austin
« on: March 20, 2020, 06:22:33 PM »
He'll be fine, just a flu to someone like him.

« on: March 15, 2020, 09:30:26 PM »
I just don't get Atleti, spend over a £100m on a player yet still play like a Pulis team. Yes it is effective and they are very good at what they do but I wouldn't want to watch it every week.

It's very difficult to break down organised and pragmatic teams with average players, when you have a collection of very good players set up in such a fashion it can be highly effective at the highest level.

It isnt the modern trend to play that way at the top echelons of the game which from an entertainment point of view is a blessing but football goes in cycles and I can see more teams adopting a more defensive approach before too long.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Slaven Bilic
« on: March 15, 2020, 11:18:14 AM »
Anyone who has doubts over bilic clearly has a couple of screws loose.  ;D

Why say something silly like this? I have no issue with Bilic but three or four defeats in a row, us losing out on automatic promotion and many people will have criticisms of him and then they may refer to you as having a screw lose.

Things can change very quickly in football. All opinions are valid until facts prove otherwise. We've achieved nothing yet, remember.

General Football & Sports / Re: Seals watch - Anything Villa
« on: March 14, 2020, 05:58:56 PM »

Which 2 at cub for us ?

Semi and Ahmed.

General Football & Sports / Re: Seals watch - Anything Villa
« on: March 14, 2020, 02:51:58 PM »
Mings is average at best. Engels is no better.

Grealish and McGinn are Villa's two best players by some distance.

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